Donald Trump (and Fox News) are dog-whistling on Joe Biden

  
Via:  john-russell  •  5 months ago  •  87 comments

Donald Trump (and Fox News) are dog-whistling on Joe Biden
"Since the end of May, Fox Business Network and Fox News star Lisa 'Kennedy' Montgomery and Fox News prime-time host Sean Hannity have speculated on-air, on at least four separate occasions, that the current Democratic presidential frontrunner is secretly dealing with health issues, often comparing his condition to illness-related conspiracy theories the network pushed about Hillary Clinton during the 2016 election."

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Donald Trump (and Fox News) are dog-whistling on Joe Biden


Analysis by Chris Cillizza, CNN Editor-at-large

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Washington (CNN)For anyone who watches Fox News Channel, it's not at all surprising that its anchors and hosts (with few notable exceptions) talk up President Donald Trump while knocking down the Democrats running against him in 2020.

While that position puts Fox somewhere  in the gray area  between journalism and activism, it's not exactly new. There are ratings in partisanship -- so Fox News engages in partisanship.

But even partisanship should have its limits. And one of those limits should be raising entirely unfounded questions about a presidential candidate's health. Which is exactly what two Fox News personalities -- Kennedy and Sean Hannity -- have done, according to  this terrific piece  by the Daily Beast Justin Baragona:

"Since the end of May, Fox Business Network and Fox News star Lisa 'Kennedy' Montgomery and Fox News prime-time host Sean Hannity have speculated on-air, on at least four separate occasions, that the current Democratic presidential frontrunner is secretly dealing with health issues, often comparing his condition to illness-related conspiracy theories the network pushed about Hillary Clinton during the 2016 election."


Kennedy claimed that conversations among Democratic opposition-researchers all center on "you know there is something wrong with the former vice president." She offered no proof for this claim. 


Hannity, Fox's biggest star, said this: "Joe Biden's tired. He does not have the energy for this. He's not up for this challenge. They're already hiding him like they hid Hillary. They don't want him out there."


Those baseless attacks echo how Trump attacked Hillary Clinton during the 2016 campaign. "She doesn't have the look,"  Trump said of Clinton  in late September 2016. "She doesn't have the stamina, I said she doesn't have the stamina, and I don't believe she does have the stamina." (Trump's attack came two weeks after  Clinton was caught on video shakily leaving a September 11 anniversary commemoration .)


Trump himself has hinted at similar themes in his early attacks on Biden, the current frontrunner for the 2020 Democratic nod. "Joe Biden got tongue tied over the weekend when he was unable to properly deliver a very simple line about his decision to run for President,"  Trump tweeted  in March. "Get used to it, another low I.Q. individual!" And his nickname for Biden -- "Sleepy Joe" -- isn't accidental either.

The President kept up that dog-whistle drumbeat on Biden's health before heading to Iowa on Tuesday. "I think he's the weakest mentally," Trump said of Biden, adding: "I like running against people who are weak mentally."

Trump also said, without evidence, that Biden is "slower than he used to be."

These attacks clearly are designed to raise questions in voters' minds about electing Biden, who would be 78 on Inauguration Day 2021. That would make Biden the oldest president elected to a first term, breaking the record of -- you guessed it! -- Donald Trump, who was elected at age 70. Which makes the he's-too-old-to-do-the-job argument a little tin-eared.

The Point:  Trump -- and his surrogates, including those at Fox -- showed they were willing to do anything and everything to get him elected in 2016. These baseless hits on Biden's health -- more than a year before the election -- suggest they'll be following that same blueprint again.



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JohnRussell
1  seeder  JohnRussell    5 months ago

I wonder if local Trumpsters will try and post fake news about Biden's health? 

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JBB
1.1  JBB  replied to  JohnRussell @1    5 months ago

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JohnRussell
1.1.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  JBB @1.1    5 months ago

Well we had "Clinton health" fake news seeded here from Infowars, Before It's News, Gateway Pundit, and other known fake news sites, including a fake letter from Clinton's "doctor" saying she was medically unable to be president, and videos purporting to be of her having a seizure and accompanied by an aide who carried some anti-epilepsy equipment. It was all fake. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.1.2  Tessylo  replied to  JBB @1.1    5 months ago

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JohnRussell
1.1.3  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Tessylo @1.1.2    5 months ago

They are no problem. The only problem is that we are not allowed to respond to them in the way they deserve. 

 
 
 
JBB
1.1.4  JBB  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.1    5 months ago

They wanted to motivate Trump voters and demoralize Democratic voters.

It worked in 2016. There is no reason it won't again unless they're stopped.

 
 
 
WallyW
1.1.5  WallyW  replied to  JBB @1.1.4    5 months ago

You can't stop the inevitable.

 
 
 
JBB
1.1.6  JBB  replied to  WallyW @1.1.5    5 months ago

I agree, Trump will not stop Russia from interfering in our election, again...

 
 
 
squiggy
1.1.7  squiggy  replied to  JBB @1.1.6    5 months ago

I agree, Trump will not stop Russia from interfering in our election, again...”

So, Obama allowed it the first time.

 
 
 
WallyW
1.2  WallyW  replied to  JohnRussell @1    5 months ago

Creepy old Joe is a plagiarist flip-flopper of the first magnitude

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squiggy
1.2.1  squiggy  replied to  WallyW @1.2    5 months ago

Yea, he’s not racing far in flip-flops. The best he can do is attend family gatherings and keep the same shoe in his mouth.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
1.3  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @1    5 months ago

I don't know about concerns over his health or age but I do know that Fox News has focused on Biden's flip flopping. Most recently the man has been up and down over like a yo-yo on the threat China poses. Before that he renounced his support for the Hyde Amendment.  What does he stand for?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2  seeder  JohnRussell    5 months ago

The only question is how many Fox news viewers will be stupid enough to believe this?   The figure could be anything. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
2.1  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @2    5 months ago
The only question is how many Fox news viewers will be stupid enough to believe this? The figure could be anything.

After so many claiming that only old white men, social conservatives, and racists watch Fox, what do you believe the effect will be?

Do you think Democrats will secretly tune in to Fox and believe everything they hear there after being told for a decade at least how "fake" Fox is?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2.1.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1    5 months ago

Your comment is borderline on topic. Try and do better. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
2.1.2  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.1    5 months ago
Your comment is borderline on topic. Try and do better.

Are you serious?

I responded to YOU---you brought it up, not me.

Here is what you wrote:

The only question is how many Fox news viewers will be stupid enough to believe this? The figure could be anything.

Here is my response:

After so many claiming that only old white men, social conservatives, and racists watch Fox, what do you believe the effect will be?
Do you think Democrats will secretly tune in to Fox and believe everything they hear there after being told for a decade at least how "fake" Fox is?

TOTALLY responsive to what YOU posted.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2.1.3  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.2    5 months ago

The article is about Fox spreading fake news. It's not about how many Democrats watch that channel. 

and this comment barely makes any sense. 

Do you think Democrats will secretly tune in to Fox and believe everything they hear there after being told for a decade at least how "fake" Fox is?
 
 
 
Texan1211
2.1.4  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.3    5 months ago
The article is about Fox spreading fake news. It's not about how many Democrats watch that channel.

Then that makes either that post incorrect or this one off topic, according to you:

The only question is how many Fox news viewers will be stupid enough to believe this? The figure could be anything. and this comment barely makes any sense.

Tell me which parts don't make sense to you and I will try to explain it to you.

 
 
 
WallyW
2.1.5  WallyW  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.3    5 months ago

They don't do fake news. And you can't prove it.

 
 
 
squiggy
2.1.6  squiggy  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.2    5 months ago

... but not on the 128-yard field.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
2.2  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @2    5 months ago
The figure could be anything. 

Hmmm...Your'e talking about most of America

 
 
 
It Is ME
3  It Is ME    5 months ago

Fox commentators could be right !

Joe "I Feel you" Biden sure does have a bunch of No-Shows, for someone running for President.

OR

Is Joe just staying away from the Nut shows the others go to, so he isn't seen as a Nut too soon ?

Being "Nutz" is a big health issue for most regular folks on this planet.

 
 
 
 
XDm9mm
3.1.1  XDm9mm  replied to  Don Overton @3.1    5 months ago
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/mind-in-the-machine/201712/analysis-trump-supporters-has-identified-5-key-traits

What a blathering piece of lunacy.   A pissed off pseudo intellectual trying to show his own purported superiority by denigrating others and making baseless claims to support his position.

 
 
 
It Is ME
3.1.2  It Is ME  replied to  XDm9mm @3.1.1    5 months ago
What a blathering piece of lunacy. 

According to the article....the "Experts" are still baffled, even with all the "Word Salad" thrown in ! 

Not much to see in that article for sure. jrSmiley_90_smiley_image.gif

Psychology ---- Tell me about your Mom ....was she hot ? Did she touch you ? jrSmiley_25_smiley_image.gifjrSmiley_16_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Tacos!
4  Tacos!    5 months ago

I haven't been following Biden because it's too early, but ultimately I would make my own judgment based on what I saw.

Those baseless attacks echo how Trump attacked Hillary Clinton during the 2016 campaign.

OK but that has a basis in fact. She did kind of collapse, and she did need to be physically helped along in places, she did cancel several events, she did pare down her campaigning to a few days a week in contrast to Trump who was out there every day.

But even partisanship should have its limits. And one of those limits should be raising entirely unfounded questions about a presidential candidate's health.

Well, I hope this writer feels the same way about unfounded accusations that Trump is suffering from mental illness so severe that he should be removed from office, because that shit has been going on since he was sworn in and even months before.

MSNBC's Mika Brzezinski: A Mental Health Professional Should Diagnose Trump; "I'm Very Serious"

Democrats raise questions about Trump’s mental health

As Presidents Live Longer, Doctors Debate Whether To Test For Dementia

The 25th Amendment Solution for Removing Trump

 
 
 
Don Overton
4.1  Don Overton  replied to  Tacos! @4    5 months ago

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XDm9mm
4.1.1  XDm9mm  replied to  Don Overton @4.1    5 months ago
headed to prison as soon as he is out of office, one way or another

I seem to remember you saying the same thing about when the Mueller report came out, and a plethora of other things rabidly anti-Trump.   Apparently you have yet to learn that your skills as a seer are not what any would qualify as successful.

 
 
 
Don Overton
4.1.2  Don Overton  replied to  XDm9mm @4.1.1    5 months ago

Still stands only more so.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
4.1.3  XDm9mm  replied to  Don Overton @4.1.2    5 months ago
Still stands only more so.

So, exactly where is the VALIDATED evidence to support your theory.   Or is it still "tucked" away where the sun don't shine?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
4.2  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Tacos! @4    5 months ago
OK but that has a basis in fact. She did kind of collapse, and she did need to be physically helped along in places, she did cancel several events, she did pare down her campaigning to a few days a week in contrast to Trump who was out there every day.

I will give you a slight break because I know you were not on Newstalkers in 2016, and not knowing what news you were looking at, you may not have seen all the fake videos and fake news about Hillary's health during that campaign. We had numerous fake news stories about Hillary's health posted on this forum, and I'm not talking about her having the flu. 

A lot of Trumpsters are low lifes, thats just the reality of the matter. 

There is no evidence then or now that Hillary Clinton is ill. 

 
 
 
Goodtime Charlie
4.2.1  Goodtime Charlie  replied to  JohnRussell @4.2    5 months ago

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Tacos!
4.2.2  Tacos!  replied to  JohnRussell @4.2    5 months ago
I will give you a slight break because I know you were not on Newstalkers in 2016, and not knowing what news you were looking at

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XDm9mm
5  XDm9mm    5 months ago

Hot damn....   I just watched Crazy Joe and the crowd he spoke with must have been his largest yet.   About 20 or 30 people.  What was great though was just how exciting he was.  Even the people sitting right by him were having trouble keeping awake.

Maybe he should consider providing a double espresso and no-doze pills to any that come to hear him.

 
 
 
Don Overton
5.1  Don Overton  replied to  XDm9mm @5    5 months ago

You do know that the crowd that comes to trump is there not because he's the president but for the dog and pony show he puts on and the money he spreads around to get people there

 
 
 
XDm9mm
5.1.1  XDm9mm  replied to  Don Overton @5.1    5 months ago
You do know that the crowd that comes to trump is there not because he's the president but for the dog and pony show he puts on and the money he spreads around to get people there

You of course have EVIDENCE to support that bit of insanity don't you Don?  You know REAL evidence based on validated FACTS.  If so, provide it please.  Failing that, shove it back up the rectal opening from whence it came.

 
 
 
Texan1211
5.1.2  Texan1211  replied to  Don Overton @5.1    5 months ago

Prove it.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
5.1.3  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  XDm9mm @5.1.1    5 months ago

The topic is Fox News lying about Biden's health. 

Address the topic. 

 
 
 
XDm9mm
5.1.4  XDm9mm  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.3    5 months ago
The topic is Fox News lying about Biden's health.

Since we have no medical reports on Crazy Joe since the last one in 2008, how can anyone claim Fox is lying?  Or is the claim that Fox is lying the lie?

 
 
 
katrix
5.1.5  katrix  replied to  XDm9mm @5.1.4    5 months ago

Since we know that Trump himself wrote the "health report" he pretended his doctor wrote prior to his election, how can we know he's healthy enough to be President?  We know he's obese.

Personally, I think they're both too old, as is Sanders.  Regardless of their overall health.

 
 
 
Tessylo
5.1.6  Tessylo  replied to  katrix @5.1.5    5 months ago

Also he eats just about nothing but junk food and fast food and diet coke.  I imagine his cholesterol is through the roof.

 
 
 
Texan1211
5.1.7  Texan1211  replied to  katrix @5.1.5    5 months ago
Since we know that Trump himself wrote the "health report" he pretended his doctor wrote prior to his election, how can we know he's healthy enough to be President? We know he's obese.

The seeder has determined that is off-topic.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
5.1.8  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  XDm9mm @5.1.4    5 months ago
Since we have no medical reports on Crazy Joe since the last one in 2008, how can anyone claim Fox is lying?  Or is the claim that Fox is lying the lie?

Isn't the opposite true, too?

There is no medical evidence in either direction, correct? So everything is just pure speculation. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
5.1.9  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @5.1.8    5 months ago
"Since the end of May, Fox Business Network and Fox News star Lisa 'Kennedy' Montgomery and Fox News prime-time host Sean Hannity have speculated on-air, on at least four separate occasions, that the current Democratic presidential frontrunner is secretly dealing with health issues, often comparing his condition to illness-related conspiracy theories the network pushed about Hillary Clinton during the 2016 election."

Kennedy claimed that conversations among Democratic opposition-researchers all center on "you know there is something wrong with the former vice president." She offered no proof for this claim. 
Hannity, Fox's biggest star, said this: "Joe Biden's tired. He does not have the energy for this. He's not up for this challenge. They're already hiding him like they hid Hillary. They don't want him out there."

This isnt a matter of no evidence in either direction. It is a matter of intentional lying. 

 
 
 
WallyW
5.1.10  WallyW  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.3    5 months ago

But they didn't lie about it

 
 
 
WallyW
5.1.11  WallyW  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.3    5 months ago
The topic is Fox News lying about Biden's health. 

All they said is that he does not look well, and that's true.

 
 
 
lib50
5.1.12  lib50  replied to  WallyW @5.1.11    5 months ago

That bloated gasbag Trump looks and sounds like he is ready for the farm.  Do you really expect anybody to take Trump and his blind base seriously on this?   No way Biden will ever look feeble and unwell next to that gross bunghole. 

 
 
 
Don Overton
5.1.13  Don Overton  replied to  Texan1211 @5.1.2    5 months ago

The minute you start proving your blurbs

 
 
 
XDm9mm
5.1.14  XDm9mm  replied to  Don Overton @5.1.13    5 months ago
The minute you start proving your blurbs

The WORLD is still waiting for yours.  And waiting, and waiting, and waiting, and...................

 
 
 
CB
5.1.15  CB   replied to  WallyW @5.1.11    5 months ago

It is called,  a "Whisper campaign" done publicly. That it is being done blatantly out in the open just let's us know that republicans/conservatives have decided they do not have to hid their misdeeds any longer.

 
 
 
Tessylo
6  Tessylo    5 months ago
Politics

Fox News Stars Begin Pushing Rumors About Joe Biden’s Health

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One month after Joe Biden announced his run for president, several Fox News stars have already begun quietly pushing rumors that the 76-year-old ex-veep is in poor health.

Since the end of May, Fox Business Network and Fox News star   Lisa “Kennedy” Montgomery   and Fox News prime-time host   Sean Hannity   have speculated on-air, on at least four separate occasions, that the current Democratic presidential frontrunner is secretly dealing with health issues, often comparing his condition to illness-related conspiracy theories the network pushed about Hillary Clinton during the 2016 election.

The Biden rumor-mongering seemingly began May 29, during the broadcast of Fox News’ afternoon gabfest   The Five . While assessing Biden’s candidacy, Kennedy claimed to know Democratic operatives engaged in a whisper campaign about Biden’s health.

“He is much more like Hillary Clinton, because if you talk to Democrats, who are working for different campaigns, all of the aggressive gossip whisperers—and this is where the action is happening in terms of opposition research—it’s people having a few drinks at a bar and whispering, ‘You know there is something wrong with the former vice president,’” she claimed. “But that’s what they are actively doing right now. And it is surprising because they are concerned with taking Biden down and getting their candidate out there.”

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Co-host Jesse Watters, an avid Trump booster, pressed Kennedy to elaborate. “Don’t do it,” co-host Greg Gutfeld joked to Kennedy, acknowledging the danger in openly speculating about Biden being sick.

The innuendo seemed to go over the head of Watters, however, as he took it upon himself to explain “the gossip” about Biden as involving his support from black voters. Gutfeld laughed, remarking: “I don’t think that’s what Kennedy meant.”

“I was thinking more along the lines of Hillary Clinton having a lumpy overcoat in 85-degree weather,” Kennedy explained, invoking a   popular 2016 right-wing conspiracy theory   fixated on a photo of Clinton wearing a wool jacket with a lump on the back while campaigning in warm weather.

“He looks healthy to me,” Watters—surprisingly—replied.

In the news business, it is considered irresponsible to spread baseless, potentially damaging rumors about public figures. Even Fox News   briefly suspended   Judge Andrew Napolitano in early 2017 after he made the unfounded claim on-air that British officials helped President Obama spy on the Trump campaign. Beyond news personalities, the   American Medical Association   considers it wholly unethical for   physicians   to speculate on public officials’ health without having personally examined them.

Nevertheless, early last week, while hosting her eponymous Fox Business Network show, Kennedy suggested Biden’s campaign staff may want to keep him “off a main stage” because he says “stupid things and he slurs,” adding that Biden “does look very tired.”

The following evening on her program, Kennedy went even further, once again invoking the conspiracy theory about Clinton’s overcoat to suggest Biden could be viewed as being in poor health.

“I think that it is a good move on Bernie’s part comparing Joe Biden to Hillary,” she said about Sanders saying that, in possibly picking Biden, Democrats might make “the same mistake” they did in nominating Clinton in 2016.

Sanders was referring specifically to how, in his estimation, there was and is a lack of energy and enthusiasm around both “establishment” candidates. And yet Kennedy suggested the comparison was health-related. “The more damage that [comparison] does, you go, ‘You know we haven’t seen Joe a lot, maybe he has hidden health issues, is always wearing an overcoat.’”

That same evening, during his top-rated prime-time Fox News show, Hannity—who regularly echoes Trump in calling the former vice president “Sleepy Joe”—also referenced Clinton to speculate about Biden’s health.

“Joe Biden’s tired,” he declared. “He does not have the energy for this. He’s not up for this challenge. They’re already hiding him like they hid Hillary. They don’t want him out there.”

In a statement to The Daily Beast, the Biden campaign’s national press secretary, TJ Ducklo, said “These are baseless lies meant to stoke fear in their viewers. It has no place in our public discourse, and anyone amplifying it bears some responsibility for giving it legitimacy it most certainly does not deserve.”

But this not the first time cable-news stars have made similar unverified insinuations about a candidate.

In the summer of 2016, Fox News devoted copious amounts of airtime to conspiracy theories about Hillary Clinton’s medical state. For   an entire week in August , Hannity hosted segments in which he and a slew of guests analyzed   out-of-context photos and videos   while referencing Clinton’s 2012 concussion to claim the Democratic nominee was battling chronic illnesses, maladies, seizures, and critical neurological conditions. It   didn’t take long   for the Trump campaign to echo the claims.

At the time, even Newt Gingrich noted the recklessness in baselessly speculating about public figures’ health issues, calling it “junk medicine.” Additionally,   he fretted : “Next you’re gonna get a left-wing psychiatrist explaining Donald Trump in negative terms."

And now since taking office, Trump himself has occasionally been the butt of such illness-related speculation.

CNN senior media correspondent Brian Stelter faced criticism   when he wondered aloud in 2017 why more journalists don’t ask “uncomfortable questions” about the president’s mental state. “His actions have been described as unpresidential, unhinged, and sometimes even crazy,” Stelter said. “That word crazy can be interpreted several different ways. It gets said more in private than on TV.” And Stelter has been far from alone at CNN   when it comes   to questioning the president’s mental fitness.

MSNBC hosts, too, have speculated on the president’s mental and physical fitness. For example, for more than a year now, Trump’s ex-pal-turned-nemesis Joe Scarborough has repeatedly claimed the president is dealing with neurocognitive disorders.

In November 2017 , the   Morning Joe   host relayed that “people close to him during the campaign told me he had early stages of dementia.”

In recent weeks, Scarborough has resuscitated these rumors,   insisting last month   that those who know Trump are worried that he has “pre-dementia” and is in “mental decline.”

—With additional reporting from Andrew Kirell.

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Texan1211
6.1  Texan1211  replied to  Tessylo @6    5 months ago

MBFC rates the Daily Beast as left biased.

 
 
 
Tessylo
6.1.1  Tessylo  replied to  Texan1211 @6.1    5 months ago

So what?

 
 
 
Texan1211
6.1.2  Texan1211  replied to  Tessylo @6.1.1    5 months ago

Biased source, biased post.

 
 
 
Tessylo
6.1.3  Tessylo  replied to  Texan1211 @6.1.2    5 months ago

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XDm9mm
6.2  XDm9mm  replied to  Tessylo @6    5 months ago

Lest you forget, Crazy Joe himself said they took the top of his skull off.   The real question is did they find anything there other than a vacuum (which was obviously destroyed when the seal was broken)?

 
 
 
katrix
6.2.1  katrix  replied to  XDm9mm @6.2    5 months ago

Well, psychiatrists have said that Deranged Donald suffers from Narcissistic Personality Disorder; doesn't that concern you?

 
 
 
Tessylo
6.2.2  Tessylo  replied to  XDm9mm @6.2    5 months ago

WTF are you babbling about Sam?

 
 
 
XDm9mm
6.2.3  XDm9mm  replied to  katrix @6.2.1    5 months ago
Well, psychiatrists have said that Deranged Donald suffers from Narcissistic Personality Disorder; doesn't that concern you?

What bothers me is that purported professionals in the mental health community are positing what someone "suffers" from without even examining the individual, which is entirely contrary to their own ethical standards.  So much for their ethics, don't you think?

 
 
 
XDm9mm
6.2.4  XDm9mm  replied to  Tessylo @6.2.2    5 months ago
WTF are you babbling about Sam?

History lamb chops, history.

 
 
 
katrix
6.2.5  katrix  replied to  XDm9mm @6.2.3    5 months ago
The Canadian Psychiatric Association said it has no official position on this subject. And although the American Psychiatric Association generally frowns on diagnoses made at a distance, there are instances when it’s considered acceptable, noted Dr. Benoit Mulsant, chair of the department of psychiatry at the University of Toronto. For example, the Central Intelligence Agency will ask for psychiatric evaluations of world leaders who haven’t been examined in person https://cmajnews.com/2018/01/23/is-it-ever-ethical-for-doctors-to-diagnose-patients-they-havent-examined-cmaj-109-5557/

It's not all that unethical in this case, according to this.  Trump is a world leader, after all.  But I do get your point.  Do you think it's somehow more acceptable that an untrained "personality" at Fox is making a diagnosis as they are doing?  I'd at least prefer someone trained rather than a biased "personality" who makes a living out of lying and trying to shock people, just to drive up his ratings.  Perhaps even an actual reporter - Fox does have some actual reporters, you know.  But Hannity is not much different than a reality TV star.

Despite this longstanding principle, however, many medical professionals have continued to weigh in over the years, particularly on the health of US presidents. Richard Nixon was declared “paranoid.” Ronald Reagan was diagnosed from afar with Alzheimer disease. Bill Clinton was proclaimed a “narcissist.” More recently, cardiologists had a field day with Donald Trump’s cholesterol levels, belly fat and coronary calcium score.

Seems like they got it right in each of these cases.  And if you look up the definition of narcissistic personality disorder, it fits Trump to a T.

 
 
 
katrix
6.2.6  katrix  replied to  XDm9mm @6.2    5 months ago
Joe himself said they took the top of his skull off

OMG - he actually had surgery, as have many people.  And since this was in 1988 and he's still acting just fine, it's a good guess that he was cured.

I still think he's too old to be President, however. 

 
 
 
r.t..b...
6.2.7  r.t..b...  replied to  katrix @6.2.5    5 months ago
if you look up the definition of narcissistic personality disorder, it fits Trump to a T.

And as poster child for the disorder, may have a picture of himself in every room, but for sure one in his head.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
6.2.8  XDm9mm  replied to  katrix @6.2.6    5 months ago
OMG - he actually had surgery, as have many people.

I never said he didn't did I?   I simply stated what he himself said.  It's a simple truth.

 
 
 
Tessylo
7  Tessylo    5 months ago

So what

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
8  Paula Bartholomew    5 months ago

I would hate to have Trump's nerve in a tooth.

 
 
 
Texan1211
9  Texan1211    5 months ago

Exactly what has Fox aired regarding Biden's health that has been proven fake?

It would be nice if on-air quotes were provided, and then proven fake.

 
 
 
katrix
9.1  katrix  replied to  Texan1211 @9    5 months ago
Exactly what has Fox aired regarding Biden's health that has been proven fake?

A real journalist would actually provide proof when making such claims.  So you prefer that they just spout out any conspiracy theory, or things like this, and then it's up to everyone else to prove them wrong?  And when it's someone like this making the claim ....

https://www.mediamatters.org/blog/2017/05/26/75-things-know-about-sean-hannity/216675

What a whackjob, and a lying quack.  I'd say it's up to Hannity to provide support for his claims.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
9.1.1  XDm9mm  replied to  katrix @9.1    5 months ago
A real journalist would actually provide proof when making such claims.

And the left media are like Pavlovs dogs.   Running to the next sound "bite" and regurgitating it right on queue.

 
 
 
Texan1211
9.1.2  Texan1211  replied to  katrix @9.1    5 months ago

You read your link and realize it does exactly NOTHING to answer the question asked, right?

If you wish to talk about Hannity, seed an article, and we can talk about it there.

THIS article is about Fox news airing "fake" news about Joe Biden's health.

 
 
 
katrix
9.1.3  katrix  replied to  Texan1211 @9.1.2    5 months ago

You asked what was proven fake - and I pointed out that Hannity is a liar and a shock jock type.  His reputation is relevant and the burden of proof is up to him.  If it were an actual Fox journalist making such claims, he/she would be backing up the claims.

That is relevant. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
9.1.4  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  XDm9mm @9.1.1    5 months ago

Both sides do that. I always find it entertaining when they accuse each other of the same tactics. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
9.1.5  Texan1211  replied to  katrix @9.1.3    5 months ago
You asked what was proven fake -

Here is my post:

Exactly what has Fox aired regarding Biden's health that has been proven fake?
It would be nice if on-air quotes were provided, and then proven fake.

Your answer is non-responsive.

 
 
 
Don Overton
9.1.6  Don Overton  replied to  XDm9mm @9.1.1    5 months ago

Prove it

 
 
 
XDm9mm
9.1.7  XDm9mm  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @9.1.4    5 months ago
Both sides do that. I always find it entertaining when they accuse each other of the same tactics.

I'm sorry, but when the left's media uses the virtual exact same verbiage, it makes one wonder if they got the talking point by text, email or official progressive fax.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
9.1.8  XDm9mm  replied to  Don Overton @9.1.6    5 months ago
Prove it

Do the big letters make you feel smart?

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
9.1.9  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  XDm9mm @9.1.8    5 months ago
Do the big letters make you feel smart?

Funny...

"Ok..   Only [deleted] would post such TRASH, even if it's CLAIMED to be satire about D-Day, whether it's related to Trump or not." - XDm9mm on "Trumps D-Day Speech Leaked" 1 week ago

 
 
 
XDm9mm
9.1.10  XDm9mm  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @9.1.9    5 months ago
XDm9mm on "Trumps D-Day Speech Leaked" 1 week ago

If you're not cognizant of a simple truth, being pissed about an asswipe posting shit about D-day and an inane comment replied to are appreciably different.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
9.1.11  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  XDm9mm @9.1.10    5 months ago
If you're not cognizant of a simple truth, being pissed about an asswipe posting shit about D-day and an inane comment replied to are appreciably different.

Ah, so when you use big letters it's expressing valid complaints, but when someone else uses big letters it's their failed attempt to feel smart? Seems like the complaint should have been with what was said then instead of the size of a font supposedly determining the intelligence of the author. I just find hypocrisy and a flailing absurd defense of said hypocrisy rather humorous to watch.

 
 
 
Don Overton
9.1.12  Don Overton  replied to  XDm9mm @9.1.8    5 months ago

Nope I just wanted to make sure incomplete illerates could read it

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
9.2  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Texan1211 @9    5 months ago

Better yet,

Prove that it's true?

See how that goes? Neither is possible. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
9.2.1  Texan1211  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @9.2    5 months ago
Better yet,
Prove that it's true?
See how that goes? Neither is possible.

Well, since I made no claim, that is exactly what I was asking for--proof that Fox claimed something regarding Biden's health and then the proving that it was fake.
If Fox claimed that Biden had cancer, I would expect his doctor could easily refute that.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
9.2.2  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Texan1211 @9.2.1    5 months ago

Let me explain.

There has been no released medical information about Joe Biden. 

Any claim about his health is unprovable. 

No responsible new agency should be making claims without proof. If they have proof they should be showing it. 

That is called responsible journalism. I know it's a concept that has been missing for about the last 20 years and only getting worse, but that is how it is supposed to go.

 
 
 
CB
9.2.3  CB   replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @9.2.2    5 months ago

I have not even read the article and I am pissed off! Conservatives have already been BUSTED doing this to Hillary Clinton, made an attempt to do it against Buttigieg , and are now coming for Biden?

Man says Buttigieg never assaulted him, blames conservative activists for claim

Hunter Kelly, 21, accused conservative activists of faking a sexual assault allegation against Pete Buttigieg and publishing it in his nam e.
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There ought to be a law against people trying to "exploit" other people with deliberate lies. These kinds of dishonesty are beyond the pail.

How can anybody who loves the truth, law, and rule of law, enable intentional lying and propaganda once discovered. Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, trice, shames on me!

When an organization shows you p oint-blank (w in by any means necessary ) what they are abou t believe them!

 
 
 
WallyW
9.2.4  WallyW  replied to  CB @9.2.3    5 months ago

The Republicans have learned to play the the political game like the democrats do.

(win by any means necessary)......is what it's all about

 
 
 
Tessylo
9.2.5  Tessylo  replied to  WallyW @9.2.4    5 months ago

You've got that so ass backwards or should I say the projection is strong among republicans

 
 
 
CB
9.2.6  CB   replied to  WallyW @9.2.4    5 months ago

I may know better than you what republicans/conservatives have learned about the political game from Steve Bannon (formerly "Trump's Brain"):

"Gameness" is what we see occurring throughout the Republican-conservative 'world' - folks trying (with some success actually) to pull success out of obvious failures—even if it is only a momentarily delay.

Sort of like how some deploy "gameness" here on NT.

 
 
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