Jon Miller Shreds the Slavery Reparations Argument I White House Brief

  
By:  freedom-warrior  •  4 months ago  •  41 comments

Jon Miller Shreds the Slavery Reparations Argument I White House Brief
"What a Stupid Idea, What a Butt Stupid Idea"

"Oh please can I have some free money jrSmiley_11_smiley_image.gif    People who were never slave owners are supposed to give me, who was never a slave money. Reparations ... just for being black."  Jon Miller

"Black people don't need another apology. We need safer neighborhoods and better schools.  We need a less punitive criminal justice system.  We need affordable healthcare.  And none of these things can be achieved through reparations.  Reparations by definition are only given to victims.  The moment you give me reparations, you have made me into a victim without my consent." Coleman Hughes

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Freedom Warrior
1  author  Freedom Warrior    4 months ago

I almost fell off the sofa when hey said ...  "Stippers and Drugs baby!   You're going to be giving black people money to screw up their lives more."

Now that wouldn't be my issue.  The reality is I don't owe anyone a damn thing.  If you align yourself with that nonsense., here's an obama phone, go call someone who cares.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
1.1  Vic Eldred  replied to  Freedom Warrior @1    4 months ago

Yet so many democratic candidates submitted to Al Sharpton's litmus test on "reparations".  

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
2  The Magic Eight Ball    4 months ago
People who were never slave owners are supposed to give me, who was never a slave money. Reparations ... just for being black."  Jon Miller

"reparations" is the left's attempt to reign in the black vote with free money.

not going to work.

cheers :)

 
 
 
JohnRussell
3  JohnRussell    4 months ago

Jon Miller - everyone within the sound of your voice is stupider for having listened to you. 

In this gibberish Jon Miller says he doesn't understand what Tanehisi Coates was talking about when he testified before Congress, as if Coates made no points and has no knowledge of the topic. 

Coates wrote an article for the Atlantic in 2014 that takes an hour and twenty minutes to listen to on soundcloud.  In the subtitle to the article Coates goes beyond what Jon Miller knows about it. 

Two hundred fifty years of slavery. Ninety years of Jim Crow. Sixty years of separate but equal. Thirty-five years of racist housing policy. Until we reckon with our compounding moral debts, America will never be whole.

In the body of the article , which is 16,000 words long, Coates writes

One cannot escape the question by hand-waving at the past, disavowing the acts of one’s ancestors, nor by citing a recent date of ancestral immigration. The last slaveholder has been dead for a very long time. The last soldier to endure Valley Forge has been dead much longer. To proudly claim the veteran and disown the slaveholder is patriotism à la carte. A nation outlives its generations. We were not there when Washington crossed the Delaware, but Emanuel Gottlieb Leutze’s rendering has meaning to us. We were not there when Woodrow Wilson took us into World War I, but we are still paying out the pensions. If Thomas Jefferson’s genius matters, then so does his taking of Sally Hemings’s body. If George Washington crossing the Delaware matters, so must his ruthless pursuit of the runagate Oney Judge.

There is not the slightest bit of doubt that Jon Miller is an intellectual midget when compared to Tanehisi Coates, although of course that doesnt necessarily make him wrong. But he is obviously ignorant of the arguments being made, and thus a waste of time. 

Here is a link to Coates case for reparations. 

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2014/06/the-case-for-reparations/361631/

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
3.1  author  Freedom Warrior  replied to  JohnRussell @3    4 months ago

THere is no case for reparations.  It's absurd political theater.  But as long as there are Dems that have a plantation mentality someone is going to promote it.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
3.2  Jack_TX  replied to  JohnRussell @3    4 months ago

Coates is a leading merchant in white liberal guilt.  He makes his living feeding the emotions of white liberals who love nothing better than to wallow in guilt for things they've never done, and then come up with "solutions" spending other people's money so they can assuage their "feelings" without actually changing their own lives. 

The trouble is....none of that shit actually helps black people.  After 50 years of these "programs", Dr. King's dream is still light years from realization, and the answer to Bobby Kennedy's question is still "no".  Black kids get lower quality educations, even in integrated schools.  The black unemployment rate is miles higher than the white, despite 50 years of "affirmative action".   

Miller understands how white liberal guilt doesn't work, and isn't interested in any more of it.  He's tired of white liberal 'feelings' being more important than black kids' safety.  He wants safer neighborhoods, better schools, and the same opportunities white people have.   Gee....what a neanderthal bastard.....

The fact that you believe a pragmatist less intelligent than a whining idealist is telling, even if predictable.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
3.2.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Jack_TX @3.2    4 months ago

Tanehisi Coates wrote a work of scholarship. Jon Miller did a You Tube red meat comedy act on a right wing video channel. 

That you prefer the comedy act is revealing as well. 

 
 
 
Jack_TX
3.2.2  Jack_TX  replied to  JohnRussell @3.2.1    4 months ago
Tanehisi Coates wrote a work of scholarship.

I'm sure you think so.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
4  JohnRussell    4 months ago

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
4.1  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @4    4 months ago

Thanks John, the problem with reparations continues to be "who gives, who gets & who's next?

The answer to all of that is NOBODY!

 
 
 
JohnRussell
4.1.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1    4 months ago

There is a House resolution to study the matter. I see nothing wrong with Congress studying it officially , and see if it leads to any workable ideas. 

What we dont really need any more of are clown shows like the seeded video. 

 
 
 
Snuffy
4.1.2  Snuffy  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.1    4 months ago

Except I don't think it will provide anything intelligent and workable. IMO this will become another political party fur ball that each party will use to try to shame the other party. This will be brought back out during election cycles to make points and then pushed back into the dark to be ignored until it's needed again.  Washington politics....

And IMO it's the politics that makes these big issues impossible to fix. Everybody is looking for that one solution so they can stand up and show how "they" fixed the issue. As these problems are so large and so complex there is not a single simple solution to them. Add to this that there will be many people and groups pushing their own agenda on this.. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
4.1.3  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.1    4 months ago
There is a House resolution to study the matter.

That's to get out the black vote. The dems do it every election cycle. They can't win without minority grievance.


I see nothing wrong with Congress studying it officially

I'm in favor of it. I want them to see what democrats do when they have power. Next you elect democrat moderates, just remember happens! America wake up!

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
4.1.4  author  Freedom Warrior  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1.3    4 months ago

Well they certainly had the opportunity to ram it through like they did obummer care yet chose not to since they had the numbers already.  That would definitely support your case for election cycle pandering.

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
4.1.5  author  Freedom Warrior  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1    4 months ago

I suppose Rachel Dolezal will be in line for reparations.

You might even find Elizabeth Warren digging up 1/1024th DNA for her share.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
4.1.6  Vic Eldred  replied to  Freedom Warrior @4.1.5    4 months ago

They are kissing Sharpton's ring

 
 
 
Jack_TX
4.1.7  Jack_TX  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.1    4 months ago
There is a House resolution to study the matter. I see nothing wrong with Congress studying it officially , and see if it leads to any workable ideas.  What we dont really need any more of are clown shows like the seeded video. 

Tell you what, if you think they deserve reparations, by all means contribute to them.

https://www.gofundme.com/reparations-for-descendant-of-enslaved-africans

Once you've done that, feel free to convince all of your like minded friends and colleagues to contribute as well.  

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
4.2  author  Freedom Warrior  replied to  JohnRussell @4    4 months ago

A political show that is polarizing and divisive and not what is really needed.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
5  Jasper2529    4 months ago

 
 
 
Jasper2529
6  Jasper2529    4 months ago

 
 
 
WallyW
6.1  WallyW  replied to  Jasper2529 @6    4 months ago

Yep!

Since most of the slave owners  were predecessors of what are today's democrats,

 
 
 
Jasper2529
6.1.1  Jasper2529  replied to  WallyW @6.1    4 months ago
today's democrats

Thanks to the Blexit Movement, today's Democrats are panicking. They can no longer control Black people on their Democrat plantation through victimhood.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
6.1.2  JohnRussell  replied to  WallyW @6.1    4 months ago

You have spread a lot of misinformation about this topic. Please stop. You dont know what you are talking about and it is unfair to the group to have you continuing to attempt to bamboozle it. 

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
6.1.3  author  Freedom Warrior  replied to  WallyW @6.1    4 months ago

I've seen that case made previously.  It's legit.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
6.1.4  JohnRussell  replied to  Freedom Warrior @6.1.3    4 months ago

Most of the slaveowners at the time of the civil war were southerners.  The political parties have switched positions in the south. It is highly likely that the current day descendants of slaveowners are Republicans.  Current day descendants of slaveowners are likely largely southern whites. What percentage of southern whites today are liberals or Democrats?  Not many, right?  You hardly have to be a Rhodes scholar to comprehend this fact. 

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
6.1.5  author  Freedom Warrior  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1.4    4 months ago

That nonsense has been debunked over and over again.  Sure you want to believe it just like that unhinged DEm Julianne Malveaux who called Republicans the Devil yesterday.

So show me an actual slave and I will show you a check.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
6.1.6  JohnRussell  replied to  Freedom Warrior @6.1.5    4 months ago

Most of your replies are content free and go around in circles. It is obvious to people who think clearly about it that the descendants of slaveowners TODAY are largely white southern Republicans. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
6.1.7  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1.6    4 months ago
Most of your replies are content free and go around in circles. It is obvious to people who think clearly about it that the descendants of slaveowners TODAY are largely white southern Republicans.

So what you are clearly saying is that each succeeding generation got a little smarter until they all became Republicans.

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
6.1.8  author  Freedom Warrior  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1.6    4 months ago

There is nothing more empty than these nonsensical pleas for money that will never deal with the fundamental issues facing the black community.  Ask any sensible independent minded individual who is actually advocating for those who are dealing with these issues.

 
 
 
Tessylo
6.2  Tessylo  replied to  Jasper2529 @6    4 months ago

Who cares what that sell out Burgess has to say?

 
 
 
Jasper2529
6.2.1  Jasper2529  replied to  Tessylo @6.2    4 months ago

So, Burgess Owens is a "sell out" merely because he chooses to think for himself and not obey the Democratic Party. Good to know. At least you didn't call him an Uncle Tom. 

 
 
 
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6.2.2  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh  replied to  Jasper2529 @6.2.1    4 months ago

The statement is racist dog whistling not worthy of a reply.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
6.2.3  Jack_TX  replied to  Tessylo @6.2    4 months ago
Who cares what that sell out Burgess has to say?

"Sell out"....noun....black person who dares think for themselves and deviate from leftist ideology.....

 
 
 
Texan1211
6.2.4  Texan1211  replied to  Tessylo @6.2    4 months ago
Who cares what that sell out Burgess has to say?

If you and others don't care, why are you here wasting your time trying to denigrate him?

 
 
 
Tacos!
6.2.5  Tacos!  replied to  Tessylo @6.2    4 months ago
Who cares what that sell out Burgess has to say?

Why is he a sell out? What is he selling out? Are you saying that he should think a certain way because of his skin color? I hope not because that would seem to be the very definition of racism.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
6.2.6  1stwarrior  replied to  Tacos! @6.2.5    4 months ago

384

 
 
 
PJ
7  PJ    4 months ago

I think there are valid points on both sides.  Although I find it humorous to see trump supporters parade out and place on a peddle stool blacks who promote their position there were no negative affects from racism and that it doesn’t exist. 

With that said, I’m not for reparations.  I pay out enough to support trump supporters who are on welfare and old people who receive Medicaid.  

 
 
 
Sparty On
7.1  Sparty On  replied to  PJ @7    4 months ago
Although I find it humorous to see trump supporters parade out and place on a peddle stool blacks who promote their position there were no negative affects from racism and that it doesn’t exist. 

I find it equally humorous when trump haters "Uncle Tom" any black person who doesn't goosestep in exact unison with their chosen narrative.   I mean the nerve of those Uncle Toms .... thinking for themselves and all.   Mercy, mercy me!

 
 
 
PJ
7.1.1  PJ  replied to  Sparty On @7.1    4 months ago

Well it’s good to laugh with all the humor being thrown around. 

 
 
 
Sparty On
7.1.2  Sparty On  replied to  PJ @7.1.1    4 months ago

True, i get several good chuckles here nearly every day.

 
 
 
Tacos!
7.2  Tacos!  replied to  PJ @7    4 months ago
their position there were no negative affects from racism and that it doesn’t exist

Who is saying that?

 
 
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