Let’s talk about what really matters in 2020: Hillary Clinton’s emails

  
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Let’s talk about what really matters in 2020: Hillary Clinton’s emails
Why does Trump live in the past? Maybe because of the woeful record he has compiled since he descended the escalator in Trump Tower four years ago.

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Let’s talk about what really matters in 2020: Hillary Clinton’s emails


by Dana Milbank, Washington Post Columnist







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WASHINGTON — President Trump was up early the day he formally kicked off his re-election campaign, contemplating the issue that has consumed much of his presidency.

He was thinking about Hillary Clinton’s emails.

“Wow! The State Department said it has identified 30 Security Incidents involving current or former employees and their handling of Crooked Hillary Clinton’s Emails,” he tweeted at 12:51 a.m., crediting Fox News with this scoop. “This is really big.”

Huge. But mostly because of what it says about Trump: Now approaching 2020, he is perpetually stuck in 2016.

At his campaign kickoff in Orlando on Tuesday, Trump alleged that “Crooked Hillary Clinton” funded “the phony dossier.” He accused her of an “illegal attempt to overturn the results of the election, spy on our campaign.”

On and on Trump went, about “Crooked Hillary” and her “insurance policy,” falsely stating that she refused to concede the election and alleging that she “destroyed evidence, deleted and acid-washed 33,000 emails, exposed classified information and turned the State Department into a pay-for-play cash machine.”

“Lock her up!” the crowd chanted.

His pronouncements in recent days have been much the same, with routine mentions of Clinton’s (and President Barack Obama’s) “Collusion Scandal,” her “criminal” behavior, their orchestration of “the biggest & worst political scandal in the history of the United States” and more.

Since his inauguration 879 days ago, Trump has mentioned or referred to his 2016 opponent or his presidential predecessor an average of 2.56 times per day, or once every nine hours and 20 minutes, according to computations by Factba.se, a data analytics company. This is an order of magnitude more than Trump’s peers mentioned prior opponents and predecessors.

At the same point in their presidencies, Obama had mentioned or referred to his opponent or predecessor once every 3.52 days, George W. Bush every 62.79 days, Bill Clinton every 3.38 days, George H.W. Bush every 6.56 days and Ronald Reagan every 58.6 days, Factba.se chief executive Bill Frischling tells me.

Why does Trump live in the past? Maybe because of the woeful record he has compiled since he descended the escalator in Trump Tower four years ago.

It’s a record of cruelty. Late Monday, Trump rolled out a campaign-season plan to deport “millions” of migrant parents and children, which he is implementing after firing officials who objected on grounds that it would be ineffective and appear heartless after the debacle of last year’s family-separation policy. Despite the cruelty, the border situation has substantially worsened under Trump.

It’s a record of incompetence. Trump’s defense-secretary pick Patrick Shanahan withdrew from consideration Tuesday over domestic-violence matters, becoming the latest of many botched nominations for an administration that has had record turnover and an unprecedented number of officials in “acting” roles.

It’s a record of fraudulence. Trump is closing in on 11,000 false or misleading statements as president, The Washington Post’s Fact Checker calculates. Trump sows distrust of the courts, the FBI, the Justice Department, the intelligence community and the media, while spreading paranoia about a “Deep State” conspiracy.

It’s a record of criminality. Five of his advisers have been convicted or pleaded guilty in the Mueller probe (a sixth awaits trial), which concluded that it could not clear Trump of obstruction of justice.

It’s a record of isolation. Trump set off a trade war and upset decades-old alliances while siding with Russian President Vladimir Putin over U.S. intelligence, making common cause with autocrats and falling “in love” with North Korea’s murderous dictator (falsely absolving that country as a nuclear threat). Trump has divulged intelligence secrets to adversaries and overridden the security clearance process for friends and family.

It’s a record of racism. From Charlottesville, to the clumsy travel ban, to his remark about s — hole countries, to a census revision aimed at suppressing nonwhite participation, Trump has used racial and gender resentment and fear of immigrants to mobilize his supporters.

And it’s a record of buffoonery. The prince of “whales” and others may tolerate with politeness Trump’s self-promotion and bumbling — the moon is part of Mars! — but the world literally laughed at Trump at the United Nations.

His defenders point to judicial appointments, as if these were worth losing the nation’s soul. And until now they have pointed to economic growth, propped up by deficit spending and tax cuts. But now business conditions have deteriorated, growth has slowed, and a recession could be coming.

So by all means, let’s talk about what really matters for 2020: Hillary’s emails.


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JohnRussell
1  seeder  JohnRussell    4 months ago
And it’s a record of buffoonery. The prince of “whales” and others may tolerate with politeness Trump’s self-promotion and bumbling — the moon is part of Mars! — but the world literally laughed at Trump at the United Nations. His defenders point to judicial appointments, as if these were worth losing the nation’s soul. And until now they have pointed to economic growth, propped up by deficit spending and tax cuts. But now business conditions have deteriorated, growth has slowed, and a recession could be coming.
 
 
 
Texan1211
1.1  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @1    4 months ago

Gee, according to Paul Krugman, that recession you claim MAY be coming was supposed to happen almost 3 years ago.

Let's see-----I predict a recession in 2028.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
1.1.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Texan1211 @1.1    4 months ago

Doesn't it embarrass you to see your president still talking about Hillary Clinton every day? 

Is he having cognition malfunction? 

 
 
 
Texan1211
1.1.2  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.1    4 months ago
Doesn't it embarrass you to see your president still talking about Hillary Clinton every day?
Is he having cognition malfunction?

It doesn't embarrass me nearly as much as witnessing the daily displays of TDS run amok here.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
1.1.3  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Texan1211 @1.1.2    4 months ago

There is no such thing as TDS. 

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
1.1.4  Bob Nelson  replied to  Texan1211 @1.1    4 months ago
according to Paul Krugman, that recession you claim MAY be coming was supposed to happen almost 3 years ago.

I've posted this many, many times... but apparently "some" readers still haven't gotten the message. I'll post it often, to be sure that a widely held mistaken idea eventually is corrected:

I made a bad economic call on election night 2016, predicting a Trump recession. But I quickly realized that political dismay had clouded my judgment, and retracted the call three days later .    -  Paul Krugman
 
 
 
Texan1211
1.1.5  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.3    4 months ago

People are usually unable to recover from addictions unless they first admit that there IS a problem.

Denial does not help.

 
 
 
Texan1211
1.1.6  Texan1211  replied to  Bob Nelson @1.1.4    4 months ago

Krugman is an emotional person whose "expertise" should be treated accordingly.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
1.1.7  Bob Nelson  replied to  Texan1211 @1.1.6    4 months ago

Since you don't read his stuff, [Deleted]

 
 
 
Texan1211
1.1.8  Texan1211  replied to  Bob Nelson @1.1.7    4 months ago

You don't have a clue what I read.

If you don't want to read my opinion, then simply DON'T.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
1.1.9  Bob Nelson  replied to  Texan1211 @1.1.8    4 months ago
You don't have a clue what I read.

I'm assuming you don't read Krugman, because your Comments concerning him are flatly wrong. [Deleted]

 
 
 
Texan1211
1.1.10  Texan1211  replied to  Bob Nelson @1.1.9    4 months ago

I can't be held responsible for anything YOU assume.

Nor would I ever wish to be.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
1.1.11  Bob Nelson  replied to  Texan1211 @1.1.10    4 months ago
I can't be held responsible for anything...

Do you take responsibility for what you write?

That's what I was analyzing.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
1.1.12  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.3    4 months ago

"There is no such thing as TDS."

Denial is a terrible thing.jrSmiley_55_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Texan1211
1.1.13  Texan1211  replied to  Bob Nelson @1.1.11    4 months ago
Do you take responsibility for what you write?

Damn sure do.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
2  Bob Nelson    4 months ago

Benghazi!!!

 
 
 
JohnRussell
3  seeder  JohnRussell    4 months ago

Another example of a thread immediately derailed by trolling. 

The article is about Trump's obsession with Hillary Clinton, not some mythical "TDS". 

People who don't have anything to say on the topic should find somewhere else to play. 

 
 
 
WallyW
3.1  WallyW  replied to  JohnRussell @3    4 months ago

Comey came right out and and said HRC broke the law, but that she was too important to prosecute.

Now, AG Barr and associates are going to take anther look at that act of treason

 
 
 
epistte
3.1.1  epistte  replied to  WallyW @3.1    4 months ago
Comey came right out and and said HRC broke the law, but that she was too important to prosecute. Now, AG Barr and associates are going to take anther look at that act of treason

Republicans in the House of Representatives investigated Hillary for 4 years. Are you saying they had 2+ years and missed very obvious evidence? That is not a vote of confidence in their intelligence or their abilities. 

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
3.1.2  Freedom Warrior  replied to  epistte @3.1.1    4 months ago

No it's an indictment of a government that is wantonly corrupt.

 
 
 
Dulay
3.1.3  Dulay  replied to  WallyW @3.1    4 months ago
Comey came right out and and said HRC broke the law, but that she was too important to prosecute.

Utter bullshit.

Now, AG Barr and associates are going to take anther look at that act of treason

Who were we at war with from 2009-2013?

 
 
 
dennis smith
3.1.4  dennis smith  replied to  epistte @3.1.1    4 months ago

Repubs investigated Hillary for 4 years.

Mueller investigated Trump for over 2 years and found nothing so the Dems want to get even by investigating him for 2 more years. 

Politics and nothing else by both parties as Congress is dividing America everyday with no desire to get back to working for the people who voted them in office. 

Money hungry, power seeking lifetime politicians are the lowest scum in America.  

  

 
 
 
Ozzwald
3.1.5  Ozzwald  replied to  dennis smith @3.1.4    4 months ago
Mueller investigated Trump for over 2 years and found nothing so the Dems want to get even by investigating him for 2 more years.

Why are right wingers so willing to yell this kind of ignorant statement from the rooftops? 

If you claim that Mueller found nothing, then you are admitting that you never read the report or researched it beyond Barr's "summary".

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
3.1.6  Bob Nelson  replied to  Ozzwald @3.1.5    4 months ago

"Mueller found nothing" is Republican dogma. So that is what sympathizers say.

Truth has nothing to do with it.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
3.1.7  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Bob Nelson @3.1.6    4 months ago

start video at roughly the 5:30 mark

 
 
 
epistte
3.2  epistte  replied to  JohnRussell @3    4 months ago
Another example of a thread immediately derailed by trolling. 

Report them and have those responses deleted. You need to supervise your threads. 

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
3.2.1  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  epistte @3.2    4 months ago

No, actually it got derailed because some people just cannot stand that others have a different viewpoint and disagree and have to be shot down...jrSmiley_78_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
JohnRussell
3.2.2  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @3.2.1    4 months ago

The "different viewpoint" is that it is ok to have a president who lies constantly, is a crook and con man, and who is an ignoramus. 

It's not ok, and that is why people constantly vocalize their objections to Trump.  It is NEVER going to stop, and there is no reason for it to stop. 

 
 
 
dennis smith
3.3  dennis smith  replied to  JohnRussell @3    4 months ago

Telling people what they should do fits you well.

 
 
 
tomwcraig
4  tomwcraig    4 months ago

Actually, how the Hillary email scandal was handled by the DOJ and FBI is as important as to how the Steele Dossier was handled by the same groups.  If the government can cover for a chosen candidate of the same party as the President, then we have major problems with the government.  A government, particularly a Representative Republic or other form of government governed by some Democratic principles, has to be neutral in regards to how each candidate is treated, particularly if any are accused of committing some form of crime.  In both Trump's and Hillary's cases, the DOJ and FBI ignored regulations and seemingly supporting Hillary while trying to do everything possible to derail Trump, particularly after he actually won the election.  That HAS to be investigated as it violates the precept that all people are equal under the law.

 
 
 
Dulay
4.1  Dulay  replied to  tomwcraig @4    4 months ago
In both Trump's and Hillary's cases, the DOJ and FBI ignored regulations and seemingly supporting Hillary while trying to do everything possible to derail Trump, particularly after he actually won the election.

Really? What did the government do to derail Trump? Please be specific.

That HAS to be investigated as it violates the precept that all people are equal under the law.

There has already been an OIG investigation into the Clinton investigation.

Go read the report, it came out early last year.

 
 
 
tomwcraig
4.1.1  tomwcraig  replied to  Dulay @4.1    4 months ago

I have no idea where you have been in the past 2 years, but you seem to have forgotten the Steele Dossier and its use in at least the renewals of FISA warrants and the leaking of information from the Steele Dossier and those FISA investigations that laid the foundation for the Mueller investigation.  And, you are ignoring the texts between Strzok and Page which pretty much stated they were going to stop Trump at any cost.  Then, you have McCabe and Rosenstein, according to McCabe, planning on trying to get the cabinet to push for the invocation of the 25th Amendment with Rosenstein supposedly willing to wear a wire.  Granted, Rosenstein denies these allegations, but all of this along with the Clinton email investigation handling needs to be fully investigated and not by just the OIG whose purpose is to find what department regulations were violated and refer any possible criminal activity to other investigators.  What the FBI and DOJ has been doing since 2016 has been a violation of the entire idea behind this country of the government being limited in power and scope to enhance freedom.  A full investigation into how far this abuse of power went in the DOJ and FBI, including the Obama Presidency, needs to occur and those responsible held accountable through not just fines or docking of pay and demotions, but jail time.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
4.1.2  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  tomwcraig @4.1.1    4 months ago

Why is it that you always seem to mouth the conclusions of right wing media, much of which carelessly passes along baseless conspiracy theories? 

 
 
 
WallyW
4.1.3  WallyW  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.2    4 months ago

Conspiracy theories?

You mean silly stories alleging collusion with Russia and obstruction of justice?

 
 
 
tomwcraig
4.1.4  tomwcraig  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.2    4 months ago

Baseless?  McCabe made his statements in CONGRESSIONAL TESTIMONY.  The OIG found and released the Stzok and Page texts.  And, Comey and McCabe leaked almost everything they had regarding Trump and both admitted to it.  Those three things are facts and any ONE of them should throw into question the integrity and veracity of the FBI.  Then, we had Lynch (Attorney General at the time) meeting on a tarmac with the husband of someone under investigation just days before that someone was supposed to be interviewed by the FBI.  That right there throws into question the integrity and veracity of the DOJ at the time.  Remember, perception is reality, and the perception of Lynch meeting for a half hour with Bill Clinton while Hillary was being investigated brings into question if a deal was made to clear Hillary before she was interviewed.

 
 
 
Dulay
4.1.5  Dulay  replied to  tomwcraig @4.1.1    4 months ago
I have no idea where you have been in the past 2 years, but you seem to have forgotten the Steele Dossier and its use in at least the renewals of FISA warrants

I'm sure you think you made a point. You didn't. 

and the leaking of information from the Steele Dossier and those FISA investigations that laid the foundation for the Mueller investigation. 

The Page FISA warrant came MONTHS after the Russia Investigation began. 

And, you are ignoring the texts between Strzok and Page which pretty much stated they were going to stop Trump at any cost. 

What empirical effect did they have? Please be specific. 

Then, you have McCabe and Rosenstein, according to McCabe, planning on trying to get the cabinet to push for the invocation of the 25th Amendment with Rosenstein supposedly willing to wear a wire. 

What empirical effect did they have? Please be specific.

Granted, Rosenstein denies these allegations, but all of this along with the Clinton email investigation handling needs to be fully investigated and not by just the OIG whose purpose is to find what department regulations were violated and refer any possible criminal activity to other investigators. 

Again, the Clinton email investigation has ALREADY been investigated by the DOJ OIG. Are you saying you insist on a 'redo'? Do you support replacing the IG for that 'redo' or do you want the same guy to do it AGAIN? 

What the FBI and DOJ has been doing since 2016 has been a violation of the entire idea behind this country of the government being limited in power and scope to enhance freedom. 

Oh I agree that the DOJ has overstepped it's bounds but I'm sure that you'd disagree on the reasons I would cite. 

How about you cite what violations you're talking about. 

A full investigation into how far this abuse of power went in the DOJ and FBI, including the Obama Presidency, needs to occur and those responsible held accountable through not just fines or docking of pay and demotions, but jail time.

But gee tom, y'all have been insisting that you know all about these alleged abuses of power. Why the need for an investigation about something that y'all pretend to know all about? Trump has been making accusations for years about this, are you claiming that he doesn't have hard and fast evidence to support his bloviations? 

 
 
 
Dulay
4.1.6  Dulay  replied to  tomwcraig @4.1.4    4 months ago
Baseless?  McCabe made his statements in CONGRESSIONAL TESTIMONY. 

Which after months of Nunes promising to release it, has NEVER seen the light of day. 

The OIG found and released the Stzok and Page texts. 

Which had WHAT empirical effect? 

And, Comey and McCabe leaked almost everything they had regarding Trump and both admitted to it. 

Cite EXACTLY what they leaked. 

Those three things are facts and any ONE of them should throw into question the integrity and veracity of the FBI. 

Utter BS. 

Then, we had Lynch (Attorney General at the time) meeting on a tarmac with the husband of someone under investigation just days before that someone was supposed to be interviewed by the FBI. 

You do realize that something having an actual effect makes it much more likely to be viewed as relevant right? 

That right there throws into question the integrity and veracity of the DOJ at the time. Remember, perception is reality, and the perception of Lynch meeting for a half hour with Bill Clinton while Hillary was being investigated brings into question if a deal was made to clear Hillary before she was interviewed.

Actually, no, NO it doesn't. BTFW, the OIG reviewed that too...

Oh and if you perception is unchanged by the evidence reported in the OIG report, it won't change with another investigation. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
4.2  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  tomwcraig @4    4 months ago
In both Trump's and Hillary's cases, the DOJ and FBI ignored regulations and seemingly supporting Hillary while trying to do everything possible to derail Trump, particularly after he actually won the election.  That HAS to be investigated as it violates the precept that all people are equal under the law.

Nonsense. No one did a thing to derail Trump other than investigate suspicious activity. Barr's fishing expedition will fall as flat as the Benghazi investigations did. 

 
 
 
WallyW
4.2.1  WallyW  replied to  JohnRussell @4.2    4 months ago

No, it won't fall flat

 The evidence is all laid out, plain to see.

Barr and Durham will be very meticulous and thorough in their investigation.

 
 
 
Dulay
4.2.2  Dulay  replied to  WallyW @4.2.1    4 months ago
The evidence is all laid out, plain to see.
Barr and Durham will be very meticulous and thorough in their investigation.

If the evidence is all laid out, plain to see, WHY does there need to be a 'very meticulous and thorough' investigation? 

 
 
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