Watch First democratic debate highlights in five minutes, night two

  
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Watch First democratic debate highlights in five minutes, night two
Ten 2020 presidential candidates faced off in round two of the first Democratic debate, sparring over inequality, immigration and race.

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Perrie Halpern R.A.
1  seeder  Perrie Halpern R.A.    4 months ago

Ding! Ding! Ding! 

Night two of the Democratic Debate. 

Ideas? Thoughts?

 
 
 
Eat The Press Do Not Read It
2  Eat The Press Do Not Read It    4 months ago

Dong, Dong, Dong:

Kamala Harris WINS with "Smack Downs".  Biden "floated like a butterfly", but looked lost. Sanders still grumpy is running out of gas. The rest should take a rest.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
2.1  Vic Eldred  replied to  Eat The Press Do Not Read It @2    4 months ago
Kamala Harris WINS with "Smack Downs".

Agreed. She was one of the big winners. The other big winner was in Japan for the G20 Meeting.


I like how Biden kept saying "My times up" when he was at a loss for words!

 
 
 
Sunshine
2.1.1  Sunshine  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1    4 months ago
The other big winner was in Japan for the G20 Meeting.

Yep!  And the big loser was The Middle Class....again.  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
3  Vic Eldred    4 months ago

It might just be that Harris did to Biden what Christie once did to Rubio.   Can't wait to see polling.

 
 
 
Sunshine
4  Sunshine    4 months ago

I still don't see anyone who can beat Trump.  Maybe Harris, she has a lot of fight in her.

We have to see what skeleton's are rattling in her closet, and what she has accomplished in the Senate.

Biden seemed weak and confused.  He had to look at the others on whether to raise his hand or not. jrSmiley_30_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Ozzwald
4.1  Ozzwald  replied to  Sunshine @4    4 months ago
I still don't see anyone who can beat Trump.

Have you seen where he is polling?  Everybody on that stage polls better than Trump in a match up.

 
 
 
Sunshine
4.1.1  Sunshine  replied to  Ozzwald @4.1    4 months ago

You hang on to your polls.  It will help you through another loss.

 
 
 
tomwcraig
4.1.2  tomwcraig  replied to  Ozzwald @4.1    4 months ago

Polls are only good for figuring out trends.  They do not reflect any reality other than a tiny snapshot.  Essentially a poll is a picture of a leaf without anything else in the picture. That leaf could be on a tree or on the ground for all you know.  At this time in the 2016 election cycle, Hillary was a shoe-in and Trump wasn't even mentioned in the Republican race polls.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
4.1.3  Ozzwald  replied to  tomwcraig @4.1.2    4 months ago
At this time in the 2016 election cycle, Hillary was a shoe-in and Trump wasn't even mentioned in the Republican race polls.

I agree, polls aren't anything you want to hang your hat on, however they do have their place and have shown to be accurate at times.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
4.1.4  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Ozzwald @4.1    4 months ago
Everybody on that stage polls better than Trump in a match up.

Clinton polled better than Trump and we see how that worked out.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
4.1.5  Ozzwald  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @4.1.4    4 months ago

Clinton polled better than Trump and we see how that worked out.

Yup, she got A LOT more votes.

 
 
 
Ronin2
4.1.6  Ronin2  replied to  Ozzwald @4.1.5    4 months ago

Not in the states where they mattered.  That is what counts.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
4.1.7  Ozzwald  replied to  Ronin2 @4.1.6    4 months ago

Not in the states where they mattered.  That is what counts.

Why are you butting in with a statement that has nothing to do with what we are talking about???

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
4.1.8  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Ozzwald @4.1.5    4 months ago
up, she got A LOT more votes.

Just not where it mattered.  The Electoral College worked as designed by our countries founders.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
4.1.9  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Ozzwald @4.1.7    4 months ago
Why are you butting in with a statement that has nothing to do with what we are talking about???

Why are you trying to argue with somebody that stated the truth?

 
 
 
Texan1211
4.1.10  Texan1211  replied to  Ozzwald @4.1.5    4 months ago
Yup, she got A LOT more votes.

Well then, you just listen to President Hillary on the Fourth and all will be right in your world.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
4.1.11  XDm9mm  replied to  Ozzwald @4.1.5    4 months ago
Yup, she got A LOT more votes.

Fortunately, not the ones that actually mattered.

But then, that's what happens when you're arrogant enough to not let campaigning interfere with your nap time.

 
 
 
CB
4.2  CB   replied to  Sunshine @4    4 months ago

Sad. You look at Trump and see many skeletons. And you say nothing! And yet you think to criticize others. You should take a pass on criticism.

 
 
 
†hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh
5  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh    4 months ago

Although Kamala told a easily verified lie about being in the 2nd integrated class at Berkeley, she did a fantastic job taking out the DNC Nostalgia candidate who's entire claim to fame is being the token white guy for the Obama experience.

Kamala stands zero chance nationally but she cleared the way for the father of the current platform of everything is free and open borders, Bernie Sanders.

Meet your new front Runner, Bernie.

Big take away, they all supported Bernie's platform.

Medicare for all, even for illegals,

Wide the fuck open borders.

Green new deal which will cost us 93 trillion, $65,000 per household per year, every year.

MSLSD asked no follow ups and served soft serve in a cake cone all night.

First question of the night was a complete fumble for all of them. What is the first thing you would do on day one?

Beat Donald Trump........(if it's your first day idiots, he was already beaten.)The question was what would you do on day one of your presidency. LOL

 
 
 
JohnRussell
5.1  JohnRussell  replied to  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh @5    4 months ago
Although Kamala told a easily verified lie about being in the 2nd integrated class at Berkley

What do you mean? 

 
 
 
†hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh
5.1.1  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1    4 months ago

Well Berkeley was integrated in 1963 and she was born in 1964. 

She did not attend school until age 5 or 6 and at age 7 she moved to Canada.

But hey, it sounds good! Born Woke!

 
 
 
JohnRussell
5.1.2  JohnRussell  replied to  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh @5.1.1    4 months ago

Q: Was Sen. Kamala Harris “lying” when she tweeted about integration in the Berkeley public schools

A: No. The school district fully integrated in 1968, and Harris began attending school in 1969. 

FULL ANSWER

Politicians   on   the   left  have criticized President Donald Trump’s  nomination  of Brett Kavanaugh, a judge on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia, to fill the seat of  retiring  Supreme Court Justice Anthony Kennedy.

Among those pledging to oppose his nomination was Sen. Kamala Harris of California.

She posted two tweets following Trump’s July 9 nomination of Kavanaugh — the  first one  expressed her concern about how he would vote on health care issues, and her second offered a personal story about the impact that the nation’s highest court can have. She wrote:

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Kamala Harris
@KamalaHarris

Two decades after Brown v. Board, I was only the second class to integrate at Berkeley public schools. Without that decision, I likely would not have become a lawyer and eventually be elected a Senator from California.

That’s the power a Supreme Court Justice holds.

7,237 people are talking about this

The following day, the conservative website Gateway Pundit posted a  story  accusing the senator of “lying” about being only the second class to integrate at Berkeley.

But she didn’t lie.

Berkeley started busing students to fully integrate the school district in 1968, and Harris began attending school in 1969.

However, Gateway Pundit claimed that the public schools in Berkeley, California, had been integrated for years before Harris entered the classroom. It presented high school yearbooks from  1963  and  1964  as evidence.

While it’s true that the high school was integrated, the rest of the district wasn’t, according to a report commissioned by the school board that was completed in 1963 and led to the full integration of the district in 1968. The report itself isn’t available online, but at least two  academic   studies that rely heavily on it are available.

The high school was integrated before the rest of the district because there was only one high school. All students — regardless of race — went there for high school.

The 14 elementary schools in the Berkeley Unified School District were a different story. They each drew students from the neighborhoods they were in. Those neighborhoods were segregated. So, while the schools didn’t have an official segregation policy, they were, effectively, segregated.

In the years following the 1963 report, the school district and its community debated the best course toward integration, and in 1968, it started busing students between neighborhoods to achieve integrated schools from elementary through high school.

It was the  first city  with a large black population to do so, according to the  Los Angeles Times , and was hailed by  Dr. Martin Luther King , who said after hearing about the plan, “hope returned to my soul.”

Harris entered Thousand Oaks Elementary School in the fall of 1969 — the second year of full integration for the district, her office confirmed.

Charles Burress, the spokesman for the Berkeley Unified School District, wasn’t able to confirm her attendance since schools are closed and staff is gone for the summer. But, he said, “we have no reason to doubt her word.”

The Gateway Pundit story also claims that Harris attended school in Berkeley for only two years before moving to Canada, but, according to her office, Harris moved to Montreal in 1976, when she was in middle school.

Although the Gateway Pundit story isn’t true, it has been shared by Facebook and Twitter pages that have more than 3 million followers. It also has been picked up and posted by  several   other   websites .

https://www.factcheck.org/2018/07/sen-harris-didnt-lie-about-integration/

 
 
 
JohnRussell
5.1.3  JohnRussell  replied to  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh @5.1.1    4 months ago

1963 was for high schools.  As you so cleverly pointed out, Harris wasn't in high school in 1969. 

 
 
 
It Is ME
5.1.4  It Is ME  replied to  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh @5.1.1    4 months ago

Apparently, her "Jamaican" side of the family is more important than her "Other (Tamil Indian)" side of the family !

Seems her "Tamil Indian (dark skin tone)" side took care of her more than her "Jamaican (Black)" side..... but I suppose ….. #blackisbetter …. for vote getting !

 
 
 
Eat The Press Do Not Read It
5.1.5  Eat The Press Do Not Read It  replied to  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh @5.1.1    4 months ago

Badfish:  Integrating a city by mandate, does not mean that the city is, therefore, integrated, as your post implies.

There have has been "wave after wave" of the Civil Right Movements. Generations after generations are still fighting for their rights, to this hour.

Trump was illegally installed as America's First FAKE POTUS, real POS is indicative of how race is still a major factor.

I favored a Biden/Kamala Harris ticket because "Uncle Joe" is still well-liked by older Dems, and Kamala has a following of the West Coast, with professionals and educated women.

Trump's appeal is, and, always has been directed at the baser nature of mankind. A trick he learned from his idol, HITLER!

The first step on a long journey was taken. Prostications at this juncture are reflective of one preference, not reality.

 
 
 
Eat The Press Do Not Read It
5.1.6  Eat The Press Do Not Read It  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.2    4 months ago

Thanks for the facts, John Russell! Facts always Trump Right Wing HATE SPEECH.

I taught math at an Elementary School in Dayton, Ohio in 1970-71 School year. We were used as a model for other elementary schools to follow in the 71-72 school year.

The architect of that Integration Plan was gunned down by a Southern Racists Murderer.



 
 
 
Texan1211
5.1.7  Texan1211  replied to  Eat The Press Do Not Read It @5.1.5    4 months ago
Trump was illegally installed as America's First FAKE POTUS, real POS is indicative of how race is still a major factor.

Man, where did THAT info come from?

Certainly not the Constitution of the United States, and not from anyone grounded in reality.

I will admit that that post is a little humorous, especially when you make a Nazi reference--that's always a hit with some liberals!

 
 
 
CB
5.1.8  CB   replied to  Texan1211 @5.1.7    4 months ago

For the record, "Hitler" attached to my friend's comment was more than I could bear. The rest is a solid commentary on the state of play.

That's all I got for you.

 
 
 
Texan1211
5.1.9  Texan1211  replied to  CB @5.1.8    4 months ago
For the record, "Hitler" attached to my friend's comment was more than I could bear. The rest is a solid commentary on the state of play.
That's all I got for you.

That's nice. I don't have friends who make Nazi references because I don't approve of them.

 
 
 
CB
5.1.10  CB   replied to  Texan1211 @5.1.9    4 months ago

And you said that to say what to me? Please don't get it twisted. Hitler was one disgusting historical figure, and if I choose to discuss him I will. I choose not to for "GP" He is not some ritual taboo of mine, nevertheless!

 
 
 
Texan1211
5.1.11  Texan1211  replied to  CB @5.1.10    4 months ago
And you said that to say what to me?

My post was pretty clear. Let me know if you need anything clarified in it.

Please don't get it twisted. Hitler was one disgusting historical figure, and if I choose to discuss him I would

Well, if you choose to, sounds like Eat the Press would make a good conversation partner for you.

He is not some ritual taboo of mine!

Not one of mine, either--until someone tries to compare the President of the United States with him. To me, it is nothing more than intellectual dishonesty and laziness.

 
 
 
CB
5.1.12  CB   replied to  Texan1211 @5.1.11    4 months ago
until someone tries to compare the President of the United States with him. To me, it is nothing more than intellectual dishonesty and laziness.

Oh, oh, oh, the hypocrisy. President Trump is the model of intellectual insincerity and ethnocentricity and yet you can't find one evidential thing to criticize him for? Please, I don't need you to critique who I should 'pal around with.' Trump loves Russian and North Korean murders, so what's really in your friendship with him?

 
 
 
CB
5.1.13  CB   replied to  Texan1211 @5.1.11    4 months ago

Talk about a lack of intellectual honesty (which you can never seem to comment on):

T he majority opinion, written by Chief Justice John Roberts, said the court " cannot ignore the disconnect between the decision made and the explanation given" by the Trump administration.

"The reasoned explanation requirement of administrative law, after all, is meant to ensure that agencies offer genuine justifications for important decisions, reasons that can be scrutinized by courts and the interested public ," the opinion continued. "Accepting contrived reasons would defeat the purpose of the enterprise. If judicial review is to be more than an empty ritual, it must demand something better than the explanation offered for the action taken in this case."

https://www.npr.org/2019/06/27/717635291/supreme-court-leaves-citizenship-question-blocked-from-2020-census

In other words don't treat the Court like a bunch of syncophants, breathlessly "fanning" after Trump and conservativism. Approach us with a measure of respect. Disconnect.

Okay Texan1211, do you even read complaints against your 'boy' Trump?  Come on, let us reason together.

 
 
 
Texan1211
5.1.14  Texan1211  replied to  CB @5.1.12    4 months ago
Oh, oh, oh, the hypocrisy. President Trump is the model of intellectual insincerity and ethnocentricity and yet you can't find one evidential thing to criticize him for? Please, I don't need you to critique who I should 'pal around with.' Trump loves Russian and North Korean murders, so what's really in your friendship with him?

Exactly who is twisting things now?

I made the comment above about comparing Trump to Hitler and Nazis. 

Now you seem to think that means no criticism of Trump.

Think about it.

Hypocrisy?

Hmmmph.

 
 
 
Texan1211
5.1.15  Texan1211  replied to  CB @5.1.13    4 months ago
n other words don't treat the Court like a bunch of syncophants, breathlessly "fanning" after Trump and conservativism. Approach us with a measure of respect. Disconnect.
Okay Texan1211, do you even read complaints against your 'boy' Trump? Come on, let us reason together.

I keep up with the news just fine. Just because the SC made a decision against a Trump policy has nothing whatsoever to do with "Treating the Court like a bunch of syncophants".

Was Obama treating the courts the same way every time they ruled against him? Of course not.

Get back to me when you demonstrate a little of that "reason" you tout.

 
 
 
CB
5.1.16  CB   replied to  Texan1211 @5.1.14    4 months ago

Please spare me this insufficiency, Trump might say: "sleepy" Texan1211.

 
 
 
CB
5.1.17  CB   replied to  Texan1211 @5.1.15    4 months ago

The court did not officially upbraid Obama for any attempt at insolence, over-familiarity, or intellectual laziness as it recently occurred involving our current President (whom conservatives are 'fanning' over):

T he majority opinion, written by Chief Justice John Roberts, said the court "cannot ignore the disconnect between the decision made and the explanation given" by the Trump administration.

"The reasoned explanation requirement of administrative law, after all, is meant to ensure that agencies offer genuine justifications for important decisions, reasons that can be scrutinized by courts and the interested public ," the opinion continued. "Accepting contrived reasons would defeat the purpose of the enterprise. If judicial review is to be more than an empty ritual, it must demand something better than the explanation offered for the action taken in this case."

https://www.npr.org/2019/06/27/717635291/supreme-court-leaves-citizenship-question-blocked-from-2020-census

". . .is meant to ensure that agencies offer genuine justifications for important decisions, reasons that can be scrutinized by courts and the interested public"

In other words: 'Hey Mr.Trump and Wilbur,' " knuckleheads " take this crap back! And resubmit it with justified reasons. Do not attempt to compromise this court!

And Texan1211 if you can't concede to the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court his rationale on rebuking the administration, then do not bother communicating with me. I have no patience for blatant dishonesty in sharing with anyone here!

 
 
 
Texan1211
5.1.18  Texan1211  replied to  CB @5.1.16    4 months ago
Please spare me this insufficiency, Trump might say: "sleepy" Texan1211.

Sure thing--just as soon as you spare me from stuff like this: Okay Texan1211, do you even read complaints against your 'boy' Trump? Come on, let us reason together. 

 
 
 
CB
5.1.19  CB   replied to  Texan1211 @5.1.18    4 months ago

"Gameness, " plain and simple. Translation: Nothing sufficient to add, but clapping back anyway .

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All right, Nancy. Clap-back at the 'menace' to a good society.

 
 
 
Texan1211
5.1.20  Texan1211  replied to  CB @5.1.19    4 months ago
"Gameness," plain and simple. Translation: Nothing sufficient to add, but clapping back anyway.

Wow...what an interesting post considering it is coming from someone who wrote this:

For the record, "Hitler" attached to my friend's comment was more than I could bear. The rest is a solid commentary on the state of play.
That's all I got for you.

And then quickly proceeded to show how much ELSE you have.

LMAO!

Good show, got dinner to go with it?

 
 
 
CB
5.1.21  CB   replied to  Texan1211 @5.1.20    4 months ago

Yawn. And Hell just froze over, too.

Still can't put together one criticism of our 'big Mailer' President Trump who wants to 'date' a murderous dictator named Kim on the DMZ?

Boy O boy! Former President Obama could not even so-called 'semi-bow" to the Saudi King without his professional critics clanging the bells, and wagging their red-hot tongues.

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Associated Press The state-run Korean Central News Agency included a photo of Kim Jong Un apparently reading a letter from Trump

Who does Trump think he is fooling? ' Massaging ' a Dictator who intends to raise up another child ruler? Dictator Kim would be t he stupidest player in the game to let Trump wrestle him into a disarmament of his nuclear weapons advancement - unless Trump promises Kim a humongous pay-off! Hmm. Real-estate in North Korea? A profit-seeking Trump Tower and golf exposition? Anybody?  Its a stretch of imagination, sure. But strange things are occurring now every day.

You are exposed, Texan1211. You can not criticize your own: what will your friends say (afterwards)? I get you. Texan1211 - I really do.

Now I am done with it. Unless——.

 
 
 
Texan1211
5.1.22  Texan1211  replied to  CB @5.1.21    4 months ago

Gee, you seem unable to keep on topic. Need some help?

Here, have the last word--I realize how important it is to you.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
5.1.23  XDm9mm  replied to  Eat The Press Do Not Read It @5.1.6    4 months ago
I taught math at an Elementary School in Dayton, Ohio in 1970-71 School year.

And yet you say this:

Trump was illegally installed as America's First FAKE POTUS, real POS is indicative of how race is still a major factor.

And we're actually to believe you were a teacher?   You're obviously incapable of understanding how the US Constitution and Electoral College work, so how did you ever graduate primary schools and then college?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
5.2  Vic Eldred  replied to  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh @5    4 months ago
Although Kamala told a easily verified lie about being in the 2nd integrated class at Berkley

Lol, Oh no, Please say it's not so!

 
 
 
JohnRussell
5.2.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.2    4 months ago

OK, it's not so.  happy now.  

Vic, don't believe everything right wing media tells you. It creates a lot of misinformed people. 

 
 
 
Nerm_L
6  Nerm_L    4 months ago

I drifted in and out.  Overall the 2nd debate was unremarkable for me.  SSDD.  Everyone seemed to trying to channel Ted Kennedy.  (I missed the 1st debate.)

Biden assumed the role of protecting the Obama legacy.  Harris presented herself as the aggressive imperial President.  Buttigieg presented himself as a pragmatist.  Sanders isn't on the far left any longer and is no longer an alternative.  The others did not really stand out for me, although Hickenlooper did score points for having actually done some of the things the other candidates are proposing.

A little clarity emerged about some of issues.  Health care is just a pander issue; no one really addressed the problem and only presented the idealistic benefit.  Illegal immigration is a political power strategy for the Democratic Party, possibly to reshape the Democratic base.  Economic policy is only about taxation; everyone seemed to adopt a tacit acceptance that jobs aren't that important any longer.  All seemed to be staunch supporters of globalization and free trade; using China to divert attention away from discussion of the underlying problems.  Gun control and climate change received short shrift.  

As a group, the candidates presented an overall Democratic policy approach that consisted of contradictory ideas.  The consensus was to beat Trump, primarily because of Trump's character and (for Biden anyway) to reverse the dismantling of the Obama legacy.  The policy positions were all over the place and everyone seemed to be promising a box of magic band aids to address problems. 

My main take away from the debate was that Democrats don't really know what it means to be Democrat beyond wanting to win elections.  There doesn't seem to be a Democratic Party any longer.

 
 
 
Dulay
6.1  Dulay  replied to  Nerm_L @6    4 months ago
Harris presented herself as the aggressive imperial President. 

What did she say that lead you to that conclusion? 

Health care is just a pander issue; no one really addressed the problem and only presented the idealistic benefit.

So since you believe it's a 'pander issue', you must think that the majority support the Democrats plan. 

Illegal immigration is a political power strategy for the Democratic Party, possibly to reshape the Democratic base.

Seriously, every time I hear a someone say that, all I hear is that they are admitting that the GOP can't win the hearts and minds of Latinos in the decade it talks them to qualify to vote. It's an acknowledged shortcomihg of their positions  and you shouldn't begrudge the fact that the Democrats DO win their hearts and minds. 

Economic policy is only about taxation; everyone seemed to adopt a tacit acceptance that jobs aren't that important any longer.

So while you 'drifted' you missed their statements about the unkept promises and closed plants, the effect of tariffs, equal pay, family leave, health care costs, education for the jobs of the future, raise in the federal minimum wage, investment in sustainable energy and the jobs that would create. Got ya. 

All seemed to be staunch supporters of globalization and free trade; using China to divert attention away from discussion of the underlying problems.

Well gee, I'm old enough to remember when the GOP was FOR free trade. 

As for globalization, WTF is Trump doing at the G20 if he's so averse to it? WTF is he negotiating with China and Russia if the his party is averse to globalization? WTF is Trump doing selling arms/planes to Saudi Arabia? WTF is Trump doing supporting Brexit and it's leadership in the UK? 

Wouldn't want Trump acting on an international scale after all right? 

Gun control and climate change received short shrift. 

It seems that you drifted out a hell of a lot more than you drifted in...

 
 
 
Nerm_L
6.1.1  Nerm_L  replied to  Dulay @6.1    4 months ago
What did she say that lead you to that conclusion? 

Harris made several references for using executive orders to implement her ideas should Congress fail or refuse to do so.  Harris adopted an uncompromising stance on several issues and promised to bypass Congress to implement her uncompromising proposals.

So since you believe it's a 'pander issue', you must think that the majority support the Democrats plan. 

Health care is a real world problem for large segments of the population.  But all the candidates proposed a financial solution to the problem rather than addressing the underlying problem of delivery.  If affordability is the problem then the real underlying problem is cost and not finance.  Throwing money at a cost problem won't fix the problem; if anything that would only exacerbate the problem.

The Democratic approach to health care is really nothing more than a 'chicken in every pot' promise.  It's nothing more than populist pandering.

Seriously, every time I hear a someone say that, all I hear is that they are admitting that the GOP can't win the hearts and minds of Latinos in the decade it talks them to qualify to vote. It's an acknowledged shortcomihg of their positions  and you shouldn't begrudge the fact that the Democrats DO win their hearts and minds. 

Historically Republicans have received about half of the Hispanic/Latino vote.  The Hispanic/Latino voting block are more motivated by economic issues than social issues; that's why they are in the United States.  And the Hispanic/Latino voting block tends to be more conservative than Democrats want to acknowledge.  Central and South Americans have had more intimate real world experience with far left liberal ideology.

The Democratic political attention paid to illegal immigrants is more than just red meat for the Democratic base.  The Hispanic/Latino voting block is the only one that is growing while the other voting blocks are shrinking.  The Democratic political strategy is to incorporate the growing Hispanic/Latino block into the Democratic base which, naturally, will reshape the Democratic base.  However, the Democratic Party will need to become more conservative to accomplish that.

So while you 'drifted' you missed their statements about the unkept promises and closed plants, the effect of tariffs, equal pay, family leave, health care costs, education for the jobs of the future, raise in the federal minimum wage, investment in sustainable energy and the jobs that would create. Got ya. 

Yep, that was the Ted Kennedy litany.  Nothing new in those claims.  But how did the candidates respond to questions concerning automation, trade, and the future of work?  Did any of the candidates mention labor unions or did I miss that?

Well gee, I'm old enough to remember when the GOP was FOR free trade. 

As for globalization, WTF is Trump doing at the G20 if he's so averse to it? WTF is he negotiating with China and Russia if the his party is averse to globalization? WTF is Trump doing selling arms/planes to Saudi Arabia? WTF is Trump doing supporting Brexit and it's leadership in the UK? 

Wouldn't want Trump acting on an international scale after all right?

The GOP is still for free trade; don't kid yourself.  But so are Democrats, apparently.  News organizations are reporting that Trump attended G20 to bash trading partners; Trump doesn't seem to be impressed by alliances.  Democrats are promising to reverse Trump's protectionist policies which means returning to the globalist status quo.  Even now Democrats are dragging their heals on accepting Trump's negotiations to alter NAFTA (which wasn't discussed during the debate unless I missed it); Republicans don't have to intervene because Democrats are doing that for them.

The Democratic stance is that Trump has been harming long standing global partnerships and that a Democratic President will work to repair the harm that Trump has done.  Republicans weren't represented on the debate stage but many Republicans have voiced similar concerns and desires.  Globalism has been a bipartisan consensus for several decades.

 
 
 
Dulay
6.1.2  Dulay  replied to  Nerm_L @6.1.1    4 months ago
Harris made several references for using executive orders to implement her ideas should Congress fail or refuse to do so.  Harris adopted an uncompromising stance on several issues and promised to bypass Congress to implement her uncompromising proposals.

Which infers imperialism HOW? Trump has signed 109 Executive Orders since January 2016. Does that make him an emperor? 

But all the candidates proposed a financial solution to the problem rather than addressing the underlying problem of delivery.

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You obviously missed a good chunk of the debate. There were a shit load of statements about Medicaid for all. Medicaid is the BEST deliver system we have in this country, both in cost, quality of  patient care and patient satisfaction. 

The Democratic approach to health care is really nothing more than a 'chicken in every pot' promise. It's nothing more than populist pandering.

Again, you're admitting that the Democrats are making popular proposals that the majority agree with. Well done. 

Historically Republicans have received about half of the Hispanic/Latino vote.

More blather.

What country's history are you talking about. Not in the US it hasn't. 

The Democratic political strategy is to incorporate the growing Hispanic/Latino block into the Democratic base which, naturally, will reshape the Democratic base.

Hispanics/Latinos are ALREADY part of the Democratic base. That's what scares the GOP. You should read their 'post mortem' after Romney lost. They talk all about it in there...

Yep, that was the Ted Kennedy litany. Nothing new in those claims. But how did the candidates respond to questions concerning automation, trade, and the future of work? Did any of the candidates mention labor unions or did I miss that?

Again, you missed quite a bit. All of those topics were talked about and YES, you missed the part about labor unions TOO. 

The GOP is still for free trade; don't kid yourself.

Really? What has McConnell and the rest of Trump's minions done about the tariffs Trump has imposed? What have they done about Trump's threats to close the southern border? 

Democrats are promising to reverse Trump's protectionist policies which means returning to the globalist status quo.

Trump's tariffs aren't supposed to be permanent, they are supposed to be bargaining chips. So are you positing that the Trump tariffs should remain in place even if trade deals like the USMCA are agreed to? 

Globalism has been a bipartisan consensus for several decades.

That might be because in order to be the biggest economy and the leader of the free WORLD we need to think and act GLOBALLY. 

 
 
 
Nerm_L
6.1.3  Nerm_L  replied to  Dulay @6.1.2    4 months ago
Which infers imperialism HOW? Trump has signed 109 Executive Orders since January 2016. Does that make him an emperor? 

Trump was not invited to participate in the debate.  IMO comparing Harris to Trump isn't the best way to convince Democratic voters.

You obviously missed a good chunk of the debate. There were a shit load of statements about Medicaid for all. Medicaid is the BEST deliver system we have in this country, both in cost, quality of  patient care and patient satisfaction.

Medicaid is a financial solution that just throws more money at a cost problem. The health care industry will take every dollar thrown to them and lobby for more.  Medical suppliers and care providers can always raise prices to ensure more money will be needed.

Hispanics/Latinos are ALREADY part of the Democratic base. That's what scares the GOP. You should read their 'post mortem' after Romney lost. They talk all about it in there...

And already part of the Republican base.  The Hispanic/latino voting block has always been split between Democrats and Republicans.  

Again, you missed quite a bit. All of those topics were talked about and YES, you missed the part about labor unions TOO.

Being a permanent student is not a profession.  The proposed solution to job loss caused by automation and trade was perpetual education and government redistribution.  Automation eliminates blue collar jobs; artificial intelligence eliminates white collar jobs.  There won't even be a need for teachers and professors.

Really? What has McConnell and the rest of Trump's minions done about the tariffs Trump has imposed? What have they done about Trump's threats to close the southern border? 

Neither McConnell or Trump were invited to participate in the debate.  IMO trying to portray Republicans as obstacles to free trade while championing Democratic support for free trade would be an extraordinarily stupid political mistake.  All those illegal immigrants want jobs, after all.

Trump's tariffs aren't supposed to be permanent, they are supposed to be bargaining chips. So are you positing that the Trump tariffs should remain in place even if trade deals like the USMCA are agreed to? 

Yep.

That might be because in order to be the biggest economy and the leader of the free WORLD we need to think and act GLOBALLY. 

Is that how China has done it?  Seems to me China has become the second largest economy by protecting its manufacturers, creating manufacturing jobs, and exploiting the markets in other countries. 

Please, explain why the United States needs to import bottled water from Mexico?  Don't imports have a larger carbon footprint than domestic production?  How will Democrats reconcile the contradiction between free trade and climate change?

 
 
 
Dulay
6.1.4  Dulay  replied to  Nerm_L @6.1.3    4 months ago
Trump was not invited to participate in the debate. 

Revelatory. /s

IMO comparing Harris to Trump isn't the best way to convince Democratic voters.

I didn't compare Harris to Trump. You inferred that using EOs is imperialistic. I cited the FACT that Trump has signed 109 EOs. 

Medicaid is a financial solution that just throws more money at a cost problem.

Utter bullshit. 

BTW, I misspoke. It's Medicare for all. 

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And already part of the Republican base. The Hispanic/latino voting block has always been split between Democrats and Republicans.

If by split you mean 70% Democratic and 30% GOP, your right. But hell, that's better than they're doing with African Americans. 

Being a permanent student is not a profession.

WTF are you talking about? 

IMO trying to portray Republicans as obstacles to free trade while championing Democratic support for free trade would be an extraordinarily stupid political mistake. 

Trump is the obstacle to free trade and HIS party is marching in lock step with him. 

All those illegal immigrants want jobs, after all.

And? 

Yep.  

So you're against free trade. Got ya. 

BTW, WTF would the incentive be for China to make a trade deal or uphold one if the tariffs stay in place? 

Is that how China has done it? Seems to me China has become the second largest economy by protecting its manufacturers, creating manufacturing jobs, and exploiting the markets in other countries. 

State capitalism. 

Please, explain why the United States needs to import bottled water from Mexico? Don't imports have a larger carbon footprint than domestic production? How will Democrats reconcile the contradiction between free trade and climate change?

Are you under some delusion that Democrats are responsible for importing water from Mexico? 

 
 
 
Nerm_L
6.1.5  Nerm_L  replied to  Dulay @6.1.4    4 months ago
I didn't compare Harris to Trump. You inferred that using EOs is imperialistic. I cited the FACT that Trump has signed 109 EOs. 

Confusing the means with the ends doesn't reveal anything.  Of course, that is understandable when the political imperative is for the means to justify the ends.  Promising to bypass Congress is the imperial nature of the promise. 

By promising to bypass Congress, Harris either cannot fulfill that promise because Congress prevents it or Harris does away with the Constitutional authority of Congress.  Harris made a promise based on ignorance of how government works.  The comparison with Trump is apt.

Utter bullshit.  BTW, I misspoke. It's Medicare for all.

And every dollar in the budget is spent.  Increasing the budget won't change the fact that every new dollar will still be spent.  The argument to lobby for more money will always be that lack of money is preventing people from obtaining health care.  The financial industry has become quite adept at milking the public cow by holding the public at ransom.  

If by split you mean 70% Democratic and 30% GOP, your right. But hell, that's better than they're doing with African Americans. 

Way to throw the race card into the discussion.  Why have claims of racism been increasing?  Racial politics works the same way as favoring the financial industry; more favoritism results in more problems. 

Yes, the Hispanic/Latino voting block behaves more like the independent voting block.  Of course, it is also helpful to ignore Republicans with Hispanic/Latino heritage who have been elected to office.  John McCain was born in Panama and Mitt Romney was born in Mexico.  Remember Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio were candidates for President?

BTW, WTF would the incentive be for China to make a trade deal or uphold one if the tariffs stay in place?

Don't trade with China.  China has been using trade as a geopolitical weapon.  China has the largest consumer market on the planet; China doesn't need the United States to grow the Chinese economy into the world's largest economy.  China has become the second largest economy in four decades by developing industry; China doesn't have anything like the US financial sector. 

The Chinese economy directly refutes the claim that manufacturing is dead and manufacturing jobs are going to be eliminated.  The Chinese economy is a factory economy.  And the Chinese manufacturing economy is still growing and dominating global markets.  The Chinese are replacing the United States as the world leader by dominating global markets for manufactured goods.  How do you think the United States became the world leader?

Are you under some delusion that Democrats are responsible for importing water from Mexico?

It's not a delusion, it's NAFTA.  

 
 
 
Dulay
6.1.6  Dulay  replied to  Nerm_L @6.1.5    4 months ago
Promising to bypass Congress is the imperial nature of the promise. 

Then EVERY POTUS has been an imperialist. So WTF are you whining about? 

The comparison with Trump is apt.

I know. 

And every dollar in the budget is spent.

Wow, another revalation. /s

Way to throw the race card into the discussion.

As an electoral demographic, Hispanic/Latino IS a race. Every single poll cites Hispanic/Latino as a percentage of race demographics. 

So pick up you fake outrage card and shove it. 

Don't trade with China.

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†hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh
7  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh    4 months ago

I've owned a few guns, Ok it's more like a Waco arsenal but I'm in my 40's, have any of you owned a firearm that holds more than one clip? Joe's the guy that got that done!

Biden Senior Moment: ‘I’m the Guy That Got … The Number Of Clips In A Gun Banned’

 
 
 
KDMichigan
7.1  KDMichigan  replied to  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh @7    4 months ago
‘I’m the Guy That Got … The Number Of Clips In A Gun Banned’

Lmao now we are going to get uninformed Left wingers quoting Creepy Joe.

 
 
 
charger 383
7.2  charger 383  replied to  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh @7    4 months ago
have any of you owned a firearm that holds more than one clip? Joe's the guy that got that done!

It might look cool but probably would jam up

 
 
 
It Is ME
8  It Is ME    4 months ago

"Ten 2020 presidential candidates faced off in round two of the first Democratic debate, sparring over inequality, immigration and race."

There was no "Sparring".

It was just about  "FREE stuff" for "Illegals", "FREE Reparations" paid for by folks that had NOTHING to do with Slavery, Who was blacker than the other and how it was bad that OWNERS of Companies made more than HIRED workers.

FREE, DESERVE, FREE, DESERVE ! Nothing more, nothing less. 

I was ALWAYS taught, "It's not someone else's JOB to "Earn" what you think you "Deserve" for you" !

 
 
 
It Is ME
9  It Is ME    4 months ago

FITS TODAY !

THE LEFT NEEDS A TALKING TO LIKE THIS !

 
 
 
CB
9.1  CB   replied to  It Is ME @9    4 months ago

We still have problems we can not fix in this country, because some people won't (blank) and get off the pot!

Trump needs a talking to like this! (And maybe so do the rest of his "entourage" who met with Putin today).

Go ahead Mr. Webb:

Key phrases to look for: "American have too many freedoms." "Russian treachery."

It would seem Russia (in Putin) finally figured out which American 'party' to join. Desperate for a political 'death-blow' to liberalism: Conservatism sold itself out (at long last). 

 
 
 
It Is ME
9.1.1  It Is ME  replied to  CB @9.1    4 months ago

Trump NEVER said Communism was a good thing, but Democrats running for president SURE DO SAY that this Country Needs to "Change" into something else . jrSmiley_80_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
CB
9.1.2  CB   replied to  It Is ME @9.1.1    4 months ago

Who said anything about communism being a good thing? This is a long-range plan to destroy our 'American' free way of life. Russians are studying us (even back then) and are invading us (currently) through Trump's "bourgeois capitalist" head.

Can you say: "Useful idiot"? 

Of course you can, but you won't say it because you are "fanning" for Trump!

 
 
 
Ronin2
9.1.3  Ronin2  replied to  CB @9.1.2    4 months ago

Right, because Trump's actions have been so beneficial to the Russians. Please point out, other than his words, all of the actions that Trump has taken to assist the Russians?

Want useful idiots, try the Democrats that are bound and determined to rip this country apart. Impeach Trump over the Mueller report? Might as well hand over the keys for the US at the same time to Putin. Putin is laughing his ass off at the sheer amount of stupidity on both sides; as we turn even further against each other. He didn't even have to spend that much money to force us over the edge. Now every time someone disagrees with a Democrat, or sides with Trump, they are accused of being a Russian bot.

I can't stand Trump; but acting like this is a one sided shit show just isn't factual. The Dems have done more than their fair share to divide the country even further apart.  Of course once they get the WH they will demand we all come together; and anyone that doesn't.

 
 
 
CB
9.1.4  CB   replied to  Ronin2 @9.1.3    4 months ago

I'm not buying any of this. So you won't get a "Atta boy!" here. Conservatives are against Liberals, far and beyond Putin already. He simply exploited the reality of it! To continue this discussion further, have you read any significant section of the Mueller Report? I'm curious.

Besides liberals wanting more people to enjoy and participate in the "American Dream" apart from grueling days and nights in the bowels and gears of "America," is a far cry than Conservatives who want more of the dreams of everybody else to exist as their own.

In other words, I can exist with a Right-wing Christian in my midst—can you actually find a right-wing Christian who wants a homosexual Christian (see: Buttigieg) anywhere nearby? What they can't not change, some conservatives excise and/or kill, figuratively and/or literally.

 

 
 
 
Ronin2
9.1.5  Ronin2  replied to  CB @9.1.4    4 months ago
Conservatives are against Liberals, far and beyond Putin already. He simply exploited the reality of it!

You ignore that Russia also sponsored Anti Trump demonstrations after he was elected.

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/374785-trump-cnn-msnbc-got-scammed-into-covering-russian-organized-rally

An indictment filed by Robert Mueller , the special counsel investigating Russian interference in the 2016 election, detailed how Russians allegedly used social media not only to spread divisive messages leading up to the election but also to promote rallies they themselves staged.

Mueller's team charges that Russian-controlled groups organized rallies both in support and opposition to Trump in the days following the election, including helping organize anti-Trump rallies in New York and North Carolina in mid-November 2016.

The indictment states that "Defendants and their co-conspirators used false U.S. personas to organize and coordinate U.S. political rallies in support of then president-elect Trump, while simultaneously using other false U.S. personas to organize and coordinate U.S. political rallies protesting the results of the 2016 U.S. presidential election."

But by all means continue the false narrative that the Russians were only aiding Trump.  They wanted to divide the country, and played both sides.

To answer your question, yes I have read significant parts of heir Mueller's report. Considering his team of Hillary and Obama sycophants; I would have thought he could do far better. Instead he drew a lot of individual "facts", couldn't tie them together, and left them open for "interpretation". Great job of smoke and mirrors; but no fire. (Maybe one of these days he will answer why Carter Page was used as a Trojan Horse to get access to the Trump campaign- and then was never questioned, much the less charged, by Comey or Mueller) As for the obstruction. Need to have a crime first; and he didn't prove there was a crime. Also, I want to know when Mueller was fired? He never acted like he was fired. Could it be because outside of talking Trump never took action. Asking his legal representation for ways to legally remove Mueller and end the shit show investigation is not obstruction. As for Comey. The left wanted him gone so badly they were screaming for it after his handling of the non investigation of Hillary's emails. To go with that you have this from the absent minded Rosenstein. This was just a stupid set up; but anything to get Trump.

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3711188-Rosenstein-letter-on-Comey-firing.html

 In other words, I can exist with a Right-wing Christian in my midst—can you actually find a right-wing Christian who wants a homosexualChristian (see: Buttigieg)anywhere nearby? What they can't not change, some conservatives excise and/or kill, figuratively and/or literally.

Left wingers are just so tolerant, we should be honored to be in the same country as them./S So you can "exist" with a Right-wing Christian- that is a far cry from "wanting one nearby". Right-wing Christians do exist with people they don't like in their midst- just ask all of my neighbors. I am an atheist, which they know because for some reason the mother (who I support financially) wants their approval. I haven't been singled out, attacked, or even argued with once. They even tolerated my campaigning door to door for Gary Johnson in 2016. Though by the voting results for my area, I am sure all of them were humoring me.

 
 
 
Dulay
9.1.6  Dulay  replied to  Ronin2 @9.1.5    4 months ago
As for the obstruction. Need to have a crime first; and he didn't prove there was a crime.

False. 

 
 
 
CB
9.1.7  CB   replied to  Ronin2 @9.1.5    4 months ago
So you can "exist" with a Right-wing Christian- that is a far cry from "wanting one nearby". Right-wing Christians do exist with people they don't like in their midst- just ask all of my neighbors. I am an atheist, which they know because for some reason the mother (who I support financially) wants their approval. I haven't been singled out, attacked, or even argued with once. They even tolerated my campaigning door to door for Gary Johnson in 2016. Though by the voting results for my area, I am sure all of them were humoring me.

1. Cute. Here is the actual quote (not the one you 'heard' in your mind):

In other words, I can exist with a Right-wing Christian in my midst—can you actually find a right-wing Christian who wants a homosexual Christian (see: Buttigieg) anywhere nearby?

Now then, explain how someone can be in the 'middle' of; and, not be nearby? Go on I'm listening.

2. Cute. The actual quote is above. Now then, what exactly is the corollary between Atheism (atheist) and homosexual Christian? What are you implying about yourself? Go ahead, I'm listening. 

3. Cute. Confusing. An atheist gives money to a Right-wing Christian family member and has expectation of 'trouble' —how does that work exactly? And, you are confusing me; what does this mother need her neighbors' approval for exactly?

4. Well if you feel confident you were being "humored;" then how do you connect it to "the Gay"?  Listening intensely at this stage. . . .

 
 
 
CB
9.1.8  CB   replied to  Ronin2 @9.1.5    4 months ago
To answer your question, yes I have read significant parts of heir Mueller's report.

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/374785-trump-cnn-msnbc-got-scammed-into-covering-russian-organized-rally

An indictment  filed by Robert Mueller, the special counsel investigating Russian interference in the 2016 election, detailed how Russians allegedly used social media not only to spread divisive messages leading up to the election but also to promote rallies they themselves staged.

Mueller's team charges that Russian-controlled groups organized rallies both in support and opposition to Trumpin the days following the election, including helping organize anti-Trump rallies in New York and North Carolina in mid-November 2016.

The indictment states that "Defendants and their co-conspirators used false U.S. personas to organize and coordinate U.S. political rallies in support of then president-elect Trump, while simultaneously using other false U.S. personas to organize and coordinate U.S. political rallies protesting the results of the 2016 U.S. presidential election."

"Heir" Mueller's report? Heir ? or Herr? I am confident you mean, "Herr Mueller." Now then, if you read "significant parts" of Mueller's Report - WHY are you quoting form The Hill ( x2 ) in 2018 ( x2 )?

When did The Mueller Report 'hit' the public, Ronin2? What is the date on the report?

Can you gather your 'clapback' from the Mueller Report, please? That is not too much to ask, in my opinion!

 
 
 
Dulay
9.1.9  Dulay  replied to  Ronin2 @9.1.5    4 months ago
(Maybe one of these days he will answer why Carter Page was used as a Trojan Horse to get access to the Trump campaign- and then was never questioned, much the less charged, by Comey or Mueller)

Maybe on of these days one of y'all will tell me how Carter Page gave anyone access to the Trump Campaign when Page LEFT the Trump campaign before the FISA warrant was issued. 

 
 
 
CB
9.1.10  CB   replied to  Ronin2 @9.1.5    4 months ago
Considering his team of Hillary and Obama sycophants; I would have thought he could do far better. Instead he drew a lot of individual "facts", couldn't tie them together, and left them open for "interpretation". Great job of smoke and mirrors; but no fire. (Maybe one of these days he will answer why Carter Page was used as a Trojan Horse to get access to the Trump campaign- and then was never questioned, much the less charged, by Comey or Mueller) As for the obstruction. Need to have a crime first; and he didn't prove there was a crime. Also, I want to know when Mueller was fired? He never acted like he was fired. Could it be because outside of talking Trump never took action. Asking his legal representation for ways to legally remove Mueller and end the shit show investigation is not obstruction. As for Comey. The left wanted him gone so badly they were screaming for it after his handling of the non investigation of Hillary's emails. To go with that you have this from the absent minded Rosenstein. This was just a stupid set up; but anything to get Trump.

"Considering [Mueller's] team of Hillary and Obama sycophants. . . .

Hold up! Stop all the dancing horses, put the 'fat man' back on his stool, and let the Ringmaster know this is a "no show."

This chunk of comment gets no comment. I don't "do" Trump TV!

 
 
 
CB
9.1.11  CB   replied to  Dulay @9.1.9    4 months ago

T he Mueller Report is very interesting around Carter Page from say pages 95 - 102. Here you go, my friend: It is a Justice Department (downloadable) document.

https://www.justice.gov/storage/report.pdf

 
 
 
It Is ME
9.1.12  It Is ME  replied to  CB @9.1.2    4 months ago
Can you say: "Useful idiot"? 

Weird !

What has Trump given Russia ?

It surely wasn't "Leeway" like his predecessor "GAVE". jrSmiley_99_smiley_image.jpg

Russia must love sanctions, then they can play the "Victim card" just like progressives and Liberals do ?

 
 
 
CB
9.1.13  CB   replied to  It Is ME @9.1.12    4 months ago

Stop defending the indefensible.

Assuming you have read significant portions of The Mueller Report:

Russia and President Putin interacted with the Trump Campaign and its officials on numerous occasions in 2016.

1. How does this make you feel, It Is Me?

According to our intelligence agencies (the ones in the know) Russia is still interjecting itself into our election process.

2. How does this make you feel, It is Me?

When President Trump met President Putin at the G20, he was less than serious when asking President Putin's Russia to 'cease and desist' interfering - sanctions apparently notwithstanding.

3. 2. How does this make you feel, It is Me?

 
 
 
It Is ME
9.1.14  It Is ME  replied to  CB @9.1.13    4 months ago
Stop defending the indefensible.

Show me an actual definitive....and I'll stop !

Innuendo, Conjecture, and "Could-be's don't hold up in an actual "Court of law" IN THIS COUNTRY !

The likes of Iran and others like it......sure !

Are you trying to "Change" the "rule of law" and the courts in THIS country to nothing more than "I feel", so it must be true ?

"Guilty" until proven "INNOCENT" ?

Seems YOU are the one that should STOP the idiotic thought process !

 
 
 
CB
9.1.15  CB   replied to  It Is ME @9.1.14    4 months ago

Okay feel nothing, then. I won't dignify your comment any further. There are better things to do in life and with my time than discuss matters with less than serious people.

Bye bye. 

 
 
 
It Is ME
9.1.16  It Is ME  replied to  CB @9.1.15    4 months ago
Okay feel nothing, then.

"Feelings" don't get the cake ready for baking.

"Actions" do !

 
 
 
CB
9.1.17  CB   replied to  It Is ME @9.1.16    4 months ago

Apparently, you FEEL like continuing 'talking' ('loud and saying nothing). Action: Bye bye, It Is ME.  Don't FEEL a need to keep ringing me up on this!

 
 
 
It Is ME
9.1.18  It Is ME  replied to  CB @9.1.17    4 months ago

Your bye,bye really didn't mean anything ? jrSmiley_98_smiley_image.gif

Typical.

Do you "Mean it" this time ? jrSmiley_88_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
CB
9.1.19  CB   replied to  It Is ME @9.1.18    4 months ago

Ditto. (I'm in touch with my feelings, so there is that!)  You on the other-hand may be conflicted about telling the truth of yours. Oh wow! "Emoticons!"

An emoticon (ee-MOHT-i-kahn), is a pictorial representation of a facial expression using punctuation marks, numbers and letters, usually written to express a person's feelings or mood.
Seems somebody does have feelings, but deploys feelings as a distraction. What's there to hide/from?
 
 
 
It Is ME
9.1.20  It Is ME  replied to  CB @9.1.19    4 months ago
Ditto

Ditto ?

I said bye, bye to you ?

"(I'm in touch with my feelings, so there is that!)"

That's wonderful.....yet sadly …… meaningless !

 
 
 
Dulay
9.1.21  Dulay  replied to  CB @9.1.11    4 months ago
The Mueller Report is very interesting around Carter Page from say pages 95 - 102. 

The most important of which is the first line about Carter Page. 

Carter Page worked for the Trump Campaign from January 2016 to September 2016.

The FISA warrant was signed in OCTOBER 2016. 

Here you go, my friend: It is a Justice Department (downloadable) document.

Been there, read ALL of that...

 
 
 
CB
9.1.22  CB   replied to  Dulay @9.1.21    4 months ago

Oh goodness! I have not finished the document yet: it is an on-going project 'stuck' on a tab in my browser! I am encouraged by your drive to get back on it!

 
 
 
Dulay
9.1.23  Dulay  replied to  CB @9.1.22    4 months ago

It took me over a week. 

 
 
 
CB
9.1.24  CB   replied to  Dulay @9.1.23    4 months ago

I am having trouble keeping up with all the "trump-sphere" around here lately!

 
 
 
PJ
10  PJ    4 months ago

Both democratic debates showcased why not to vote democrat.  These people are stupid, stupid, stupid.  When will they learn to lie like the republicans. 

last night in particular:

Harris wants to sign executive orders if congress and the senate don't pass legislation on issues she thinks should be passed.  And she wants to bring up every race issue that happened in the past and prosecute white people who have not apologized repeatedly.

Biden and Sanders seem out of touch and confused.

Swalwell kept jumping in to try out slogans that fell flat.

Bennett is not Presidential material but I could see him being effective and working with the lying POS republican side.

Williamson is the crazy cat lady who wondered in off the road and found herself on stage.  (definite SNL skit)

Hickenlooper has some relevant experience but I couldn't get past the yellow teeth.  After effects of pot smoking.......not sure.

Lang has a unique and creative plan of giving money away.  I guess we'd have fun before the country went bankrupt.

Buttigieg was my favorite.  I think he is measured and not so tarnished as the other professional politicians. 

 
 
 
†hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh
10.1  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh  replied to  PJ @10    4 months ago

Andrew Yang panders with a money give away and takes it back with a value added tax. He's banking on people not understanding economics like the rest of the Democrat candidate field.

A platform of complete insanity that isn't resonating with anyone except a handful of wacky activists.

Americans overwhelmingly want the border secured and decriminalizing entering the country without permission will continue the crisis. Nothing says screw US citizens like forcing them to pay for illegal's healthcare. Goodluck with that crazy delusion

All hands raised over some of the worst policies ever proposed.

 
 
 
Kathleen
10.1.1  Kathleen  replied to  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh @10.1    4 months ago

“Nothing says screw the US citizens like forcing them to pay for illegal’s healthcare”

YEP.

 
 
 
Dulay
10.1.2  Dulay  replied to  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh @10.1    4 months ago
Americans overwhelmingly want the border secured and decriminalizing entering the country without permission will continue the crisis.

The 'crisis' is caused by the prosecution of asylum seekers. Decriminalizing entry would mitigate the crisis. 

Nothing says screw US citizens like forcing them to pay for illegal's healthcare.

Are you under the delusion that undocumented immigrants don't pay taxes?

Are you under the delusion that US citizens aren't ALREADY paying for the healthcare of undocumented immigrants and other people who are uninsured? 

 
 
 
Kathleen
10.1.3  Kathleen  replied to  Dulay @10.1.2    4 months ago

Question.

Do you think American tax paying citizens should” pay for illegals or undocumented immigrants healthcare?  Yes or no.

If yes, why?

 
 
 
Tessylo
10.1.4  Tessylo  replied to  Kathleen @10.1.1    4 months ago

NOPE

 
 
 
Dulay
10.1.5  Dulay  replied to  Kathleen @10.1.3    4 months ago

Again, they pay taxes too.

Secondly, emergency rooms can't turn anyone away. SOMEONE pays for those who can't. 

Since we already do, it's moot.

 
 
 
Kathleen
10.1.6  Kathleen  replied to  Dulay @10.1.5    4 months ago

Do didn’t answer my question.

If you can’t, just say so.

 
 
 
Dulay
10.1.7  Dulay  replied to  Kathleen @10.1.6    4 months ago

Yes, because their payroll taxes pay for American taxpayers SSI and I can't see allowing hospitals to turn them away. 

 
 
 
CB
10.1.8  CB   replied to  Kathleen @10.1.3    4 months ago

Yes. Because as long as they are going to be here sitting next to you in some waiting room - what choices do you have:

  1. Take care of their sickness or disease.
  2. Let them give you and yours a contagion. Okay, now what?!!! (You shell out anyway!)
  3. Undocumented immigrants work in food and water and meat facilities too.
  4. Have authorities collect and investigate their diseased ravaged corpses off our streets or housing tenements?

If these people are here: Somebody always pays!  Because you need them to be well.

 
 
 
Texan1211
10.1.9  Texan1211  replied to  CB @10.1.8    4 months ago
f these people are here: Somebody always pays! Because you need them to be well.

Well, see, there's the thing. They don't need to be here illegally at all. Especially if they can't afford to pay their own way when we have US citizens that need help.

 
 
 
Kathleen
10.1.10  Kathleen  replied to  Dulay @10.1.7    4 months ago

You are under the false assumption that they are paying a lot of taxes. Do undocumented immigrants have social security numbers? Did they fill out the proper paperwork? Why are they called undocumented?

I pay taxes, is my healthcare free? No it’s not.

If they need a emergency room, that is fine, do not turn them away, but send them the bill. I would get one, so should they.

 
 
 
Kathleen
10.1.11  Kathleen  replied to  CB @10.1.8    4 months ago

They should get the bill, not me.

 
 
 
CB
10.1.12  CB   replied to  Kathleen @10.1.10    4 months ago
They should get the bill, not me.

Send them an "undocumented" bill, Kathleen?!! If undocumented immigrants and illegals are documented - they have SSNs and addresses of record.

Good health is our reward. We simply can not afford to have unchecked diseases raging out of control in our businesses, parks, wooded areas, near streams, and definitely not in festering (permeating) our food supply.

What did you think this level of liberty would come 'free' of responsibility to the underserved in the world? Only a pompous ass like Trump would selfishly think to say our land can have only success and none of the world's problem scenarios. Only Trump and conservatives would abandon the love of God and drive to around in rich, purple robes - while stiff[arming the 'wretched souls' sitting outside our gates.

 
 
 
Kathleen
10.1.13  Kathleen  replied to  CB @10.1.12    4 months ago

Then they should be here legally then.

That way they can pay taxes, and pay their way like the rest of us.

Fair is fair... 😊

Time for bed...

 
 
 
CB
10.1.14  CB   replied to  Kathleen @10.1.13    4 months ago

See @10.1.12.

 
 
 
Kathleen
10.1.15  Kathleen  replied to  CB @10.1.14    4 months ago

Yeah.... okay... I read it. 

Good  night...

 
 
 
Kathleen
10.1.16  Kathleen  replied to  Dulay @10.1.5    4 months ago

This is where I differ from the democratic party.  Everyone must put something in the kitty to help out, not just the same people supporting others when they have trouble staying above water themselves.  I have seen too many people struggle to pay for the bills they have right now, let alone putting more money trying to help others.

 
 
 
†hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh
10.1.17  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh  replied to  Dulay @10.1.2    4 months ago
Are you under the delusion that undocumented immigrants don't pay taxes?

Some do and some don't. 

I put a few Million in loans on the books each month for illegals. Our legal department decided years ago to avoid suits that we would do so. I actually collect documents required to get these unusual loans secured. If the Illegal is employed W2, they are paying taxes, you are correct. The only issue here is that every W2 employ who is undocumented uses a fake social,  that social security number they are fraudulently employed under is often an actual citizen's social security number. Some file with the social security number, the problem here is if they file before the real citizen, the citizen will not receive their refund. Sometimes because more income is being reported to the IRS the citizen is also audited and in many cases has to hire a tax attorney to defend themselves from the IRS.

Every loan I do is with the ITIN number most illegals apply for to pay tax. Some file with the ITIN using W2's with fraudulent socials. This too causes issues for the citizen. The 1099 and Self employed Illegals using an ITIN rarely file taxes. I know this because I interview them looking to prove income. It's just not happening and most illegals are working as 1099 employees. I use bank-statements usually in this case, in most cases. Hiring the illegal as 1099 is the way to ensure the government does not come after the employer.

So I would say many are just not paying taxes. They file with the IRS to get an ITIN because it is believed that holding this card will offer them better chances of becoming citizens. 

Once again the IRS ignores fraud when presented by an illegal via W2, so why would they even care if they file? The IRS does not pursue tax evasion with undocumented. It's not happening. There is absolutely no incentive to file.

Some file, many do not.

But hey, you're the expert.

 
 
 
Dulay
10.1.18  Dulay  replied to  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh @10.1.17    4 months ago
Some file with the social security number, the problem here is if they file before the real citizen, the citizen will not receive their refund.

How many is 'some'? It's pretty well known that the vast majority of undocumented workers NEVER claim SSI. In fact, many claim a high number of dependents since the know they'll never see the money that they put into SSI. One guy told me that he claimed 9 dependents. He only had 2 kids and a wife in Michoacán. 

I've worked in 4 different companies that hired dozens of seasonal undocumented workers and ALL of them were on the payroll with a SSI #. One of my employers [the largest one] actually fronted pay so that 'key' employees could get SSI cards and drivers licenses. One guy, a mason, was so key that the general manager wired him funds to pay for a coyote so he get here in time to do a custom driveway installation. 

My SSI # was used by someone in 1980 and it took a half a hour to confirm my employment  contributions vs the other money in my account. 

Oh and BTFW, payroll taxes aren't the only taxes. 

 
 
 
Dulay
10.1.19  Dulay  replied to  Kathleen @10.1.10    4 months ago
You are under the false assumption that they are paying a lot of taxes.

I'm not assuming anything. From personal experience, EVERY undocumented worker I have ever met has paid payroll, state, local and sales taxes. 

Do undocumented immigrants have social security numbers?

Yes, many do and every one that I know does. They cost between $150-200. 

Did they fill out the proper paperwork?

Obviously not. 

Why are they called undocumented?

Look it up. 

I pay taxes, is my healthcare free? No it’s not.

Point? 

If they need a emergency room, that is fine, do not turn them away, but send them the bill.

Then what? 

I would get one, so should they.

Sure, no worries. Send them a bill they can't and won't pay. THEN WHAT? 

BTW, hospitals work with the state and federal government to get indigent patients Medicaid coverage. So a bill IS sent, to the government. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
10.1.20  Texan1211  replied to  Dulay @10.1.19    4 months ago

Immigrants, and especially illegal aliens, should be fully self-supporting.

 
 
 
Dulay
10.1.21  Dulay  replied to  Kathleen @10.1.16    4 months ago
This is where I differ from the democratic party.

Ronald Reagan signed the bill that contains the unfunded mandate that hospitals treat indigent patients. 

 
 
 
Kathleen
10.1.22  Kathleen  replied to  Dulay @10.1.21    4 months ago

It all goes back to everyone pitching in together, instead of taking and not contributing like everyone else.  

 
 
 
Dulay
10.1.23  Dulay  replied to  Kathleen @10.1.22    4 months ago
It all goes back to everyone pitching in together, instead of taking and not contributing like everyone else.  

Yet you insist that you differ from the Democrats based on that principle. In short, you insist it's political. 

I was taught by my Catholic momma that every person should give according to his/her ability.

Those below the poverty line are still required to pay 10% on every dime they make while the 'money is speech' people are allowed to defer a large percentage of their income from taxation. Then their corporations are people pay nothing. 

 
 
 
Kathleen
10.1.24  Kathleen  replied to  Dulay @10.1.23    4 months ago

That’s why I said everyone.  I don’t agree with what those big corporations do either.

I think it’s more a matter of taking responsibility.  Kind of like when I tell my daughter that you have to get a part time job while she is in college.  That way she can help us pay for her insurance. 

 
 
 
Jasper2529
10.2  Jasper2529  replied to  PJ @10    4 months ago
Williamson is the crazy cat lady who wondered in off the road and found herself on stage.  

I had to look her up, because I didn't know anything about her. Found out she dropped out of college to pursue a career as a cabaret singer!

I was tempted to light up some incense, set out a bowl of crystals, and listen to "All You Need is Love" or "Magical Mystery Tour" whenever she opened her mouth. 

(definite SNL skit)

It might be coming. Here's Kate McKinnon ...

 
 
 
Sunshine
10.2.1  Sunshine  replied to  Jasper2529 @10.2    4 months ago
I was tempted to light up some incense, set out a bowl of crystals, and listen to "All You Need is Love" or "Magical Mystery Tour" whenever she opened her mouth. 

haha...is the one that got Warren downgraded?

 
 
 
†hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh
10.2.2  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh  replied to  Sunshine @10.2.1    4 months ago

She is slipping on the totem polls.

 
 
 
Ronin2
10.2.3  Ronin2  replied to  Jasper2529 @10.2    4 months ago

Poor Kate. No invites to the White House for her should Warren or Marianne make it to the White House.

Someone forgot to tell her she is only allowed to make fun of conservative women.

 
 
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