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Watch First democratic debate highlights in five minutes, night two

  

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Via:  perrie-halpern  •  5 years ago  •  114 comments

Watch First democratic debate highlights in five minutes, night two
Ten 2020 presidential candidates faced off in round two of the first Democratic debate, sparring over inequality, immigration and race.

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Perrie Halpern R.A.
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1  seeder  Perrie Halpern R.A.    5 years ago

Ding! Ding! Ding! 

Night two of the Democratic Debate. 

Ideas? Thoughts?

 
 
 
Eat The Press Do Not Read It
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2  Eat The Press Do Not Read It    5 years ago

Dong, Dong, Dong:

Kamala Harris WINS with "Smack Downs".  Biden "floated like a butterfly", but looked lost. Sanders still grumpy is running out of gas. The rest should take a rest.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.1  Vic Eldred  replied to  Eat The Press Do Not Read It @2    5 years ago
Kamala Harris WINS with "Smack Downs".

Agreed. She was one of the big winners. The other big winner was in Japan for the G20 Meeting.


I like how Biden kept saying "My times up" when he was at a loss for words!

 
 
 
Sunshine
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2.1.1  Sunshine  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1    5 years ago
The other big winner was in Japan for the G20 Meeting.

Yep!  And the big loser was The Middle Class....again.  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3  Vic Eldred    5 years ago

It might just be that Harris did to Biden what Christie once did to Rubio.   Can't wait to see polling.

 
 
 
Sunshine
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4  Sunshine    5 years ago

I still don't see anyone who can beat Trump.  Maybe Harris, she has a lot of fight in her.

We have to see what skeleton's are rattling in her closet, and what she has accomplished in the Senate.

Biden seemed weak and confused.  He had to look at the others on whether to raise his hand or not. jrSmiley_30_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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4.1  Ozzwald  replied to  Sunshine @4    5 years ago
I still don't see anyone who can beat Trump.

Have you seen where he is polling?  Everybody on that stage polls better than Trump in a match up.

 
 
 
Sunshine
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4.1.1  Sunshine  replied to  Ozzwald @4.1    5 years ago

You hang on to your polls.  It will help you through another loss.

 
 
 
tomwcraig
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4.1.2  tomwcraig  replied to  Ozzwald @4.1    5 years ago

Polls are only good for figuring out trends.  They do not reflect any reality other than a tiny snapshot.  Essentially a poll is a picture of a leaf without anything else in the picture. That leaf could be on a tree or on the ground for all you know.  At this time in the 2016 election cycle, Hillary was a shoe-in and Trump wasn't even mentioned in the Republican race polls.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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4.1.3  Ozzwald  replied to  tomwcraig @4.1.2    5 years ago
At this time in the 2016 election cycle, Hillary was a shoe-in and Trump wasn't even mentioned in the Republican race polls.

I agree, polls aren't anything you want to hang your hat on, however they do have their place and have shown to be accurate at times.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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4.1.4  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Ozzwald @4.1    5 years ago
Everybody on that stage polls better than Trump in a match up.

Clinton polled better than Trump and we see how that worked out.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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4.1.5  Ozzwald  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @4.1.4    5 years ago

Clinton polled better than Trump and we see how that worked out.

Yup, she got A LOT more votes.

 
 
 
Ronin2
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4.1.6  Ronin2  replied to  Ozzwald @4.1.5    5 years ago

Not in the states where they mattered.  That is what counts.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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4.1.7  Ozzwald  replied to  Ronin2 @4.1.6    5 years ago

Not in the states where they mattered.  That is what counts.

Why are you butting in with a statement that has nothing to do with what we are talking about???

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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4.1.8  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Ozzwald @4.1.5    5 years ago
up, she got A LOT more votes.

Just not where it mattered.  The Electoral College worked as designed by our countries founders.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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4.1.9  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Ozzwald @4.1.7    5 years ago
Why are you butting in with a statement that has nothing to do with what we are talking about???

Why are you trying to argue with somebody that stated the truth?

 
 
 
Texan1211
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4.1.10  Texan1211  replied to  Ozzwald @4.1.5    5 years ago
Yup, she got A LOT more votes.

Well then, you just listen to President Hillary on the Fourth and all will be right in your world.

 
 
 
CB
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4.2  CB  replied to  Sunshine @4    5 years ago

Sad. You look at Trump and see many skeletons. And you say nothing! And yet you think to criticize others. You should take a pass on criticism.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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6  Nerm_L    5 years ago

I drifted in and out.  Overall the 2nd debate was unremarkable for me.  SSDD.  Everyone seemed to trying to channel Ted Kennedy.  (I missed the 1st debate.)

Biden assumed the role of protecting the Obama legacy.  Harris presented herself as the aggressive imperial President.  Buttigieg presented himself as a pragmatist.  Sanders isn't on the far left any longer and is no longer an alternative.  The others did not really stand out for me, although Hickenlooper did score points for having actually done some of the things the other candidates are proposing.

A little clarity emerged about some of issues.  Health care is just a pander issue; no one really addressed the problem and only presented the idealistic benefit.  Illegal immigration is a political power strategy for the Democratic Party, possibly to reshape the Democratic base.  Economic policy is only about taxation; everyone seemed to adopt a tacit acceptance that jobs aren't that important any longer.  All seemed to be staunch supporters of globalization and free trade; using China to divert attention away from discussion of the underlying problems.  Gun control and climate change received short shrift.  

As a group, the candidates presented an overall Democratic policy approach that consisted of contradictory ideas.  The consensus was to beat Trump, primarily because of Trump's character and (for Biden anyway) to reverse the dismantling of the Obama legacy.  The policy positions were all over the place and everyone seemed to be promising a box of magic band aids to address problems. 

My main take away from the debate was that Democrats don't really know what it means to be Democrat beyond wanting to win elections.  There doesn't seem to be a Democratic Party any longer.

 
 
 
Dulay
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6.1  Dulay  replied to  Nerm_L @6    5 years ago
Harris presented herself as the aggressive imperial President. 

What did she say that lead you to that conclusion? 

Health care is just a pander issue; no one really addressed the problem and only presented the idealistic benefit.

So since you believe it's a 'pander issue', you must think that the majority support the Democrats plan. 

Illegal immigration is a political power strategy for the Democratic Party, possibly to reshape the Democratic base.

Seriously, every time I hear a someone say that, all I hear is that they are admitting that the GOP can't win the hearts and minds of Latinos in the decade it talks them to qualify to vote. It's an acknowledged shortcomihg of their positions  and you shouldn't begrudge the fact that the Democrats DO win their hearts and minds. 

Economic policy is only about taxation; everyone seemed to adopt a tacit acceptance that jobs aren't that important any longer.

So while you 'drifted' you missed their statements about the unkept promises and closed plants, the effect of tariffs, equal pay, family leave, health care costs, education for the jobs of the future, raise in the federal minimum wage, investment in sustainable energy and the jobs that would create. Got ya. 

All seemed to be staunch supporters of globalization and free trade; using China to divert attention away from discussion of the underlying problems.

Well gee, I'm old enough to remember when the GOP was FOR free trade. 

As for globalization, WTF is Trump doing at the G20 if he's so averse to it? WTF is he negotiating with China and Russia if the his party is averse to globalization? WTF is Trump doing selling arms/planes to Saudi Arabia? WTF is Trump doing supporting Brexit and it's leadership in the UK? 

Wouldn't want Trump acting on an international scale after all right? 

Gun control and climate change received short shrift. 

It seems that you drifted out a hell of a lot more than you drifted in...

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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6.1.1  Nerm_L  replied to  Dulay @6.1    5 years ago
What did she say that lead you to that conclusion? 

Harris made several references for using executive orders to implement her ideas should Congress fail or refuse to do so.  Harris adopted an uncompromising stance on several issues and promised to bypass Congress to implement her uncompromising proposals.

So since you believe it's a 'pander issue', you must think that the majority support the Democrats plan. 

Health care is a real world problem for large segments of the population.  But all the candidates proposed a financial solution to the problem rather than addressing the underlying problem of delivery.  If affordability is the problem then the real underlying problem is cost and not finance.  Throwing money at a cost problem won't fix the problem; if anything that would only exacerbate the problem.

The Democratic approach to health care is really nothing more than a 'chicken in every pot' promise.  It's nothing more than populist pandering.

Seriously, every time I hear a someone say that, all I hear is that they are admitting that the GOP can't win the hearts and minds of Latinos in the decade it talks them to qualify to vote. It's an acknowledged shortcomihg of their positions  and you shouldn't begrudge the fact that the Democrats DO win their hearts and minds. 

Historically Republicans have received about half of the Hispanic/Latino vote.  The Hispanic/Latino voting block are more motivated by economic issues than social issues; that's why they are in the United States.  And the Hispanic/Latino voting block tends to be more conservative than Democrats want to acknowledge.  Central and South Americans have had more intimate real world experience with far left liberal ideology.

The Democratic political attention paid to illegal immigrants is more than just red meat for the Democratic base.  The Hispanic/Latino voting block is the only one that is growing while the other voting blocks are shrinking.  The Democratic political strategy is to incorporate the growing Hispanic/Latino block into the Democratic base which, naturally, will reshape the Democratic base.  However, the Democratic Party will need to become more conservative to accomplish that.

So while you 'drifted' you missed their statements about the unkept promises and closed plants, the effect of tariffs, equal pay, family leave, health care costs, education for the jobs of the future, raise in the federal minimum wage, investment in sustainable energy and the jobs that would create. Got ya. 

Yep, that was the Ted Kennedy litany.  Nothing new in those claims.  But how did the candidates respond to questions concerning automation, trade, and the future of work?  Did any of the candidates mention labor unions or did I miss that?

Well gee, I'm old enough to remember when the GOP was FOR free trade. 

As for globalization, WTF is Trump doing at the G20 if he's so averse to it? WTF is he negotiating with China and Russia if the his party is averse to globalization? WTF is Trump doing selling arms/planes to Saudi Arabia? WTF is Trump doing supporting Brexit and it's leadership in the UK? 

Wouldn't want Trump acting on an international scale after all right?

The GOP is still for free trade; don't kid yourself.  But so are Democrats, apparently.  News organizations are reporting that Trump attended G20 to bash trading partners; Trump doesn't seem to be impressed by alliances.  Democrats are promising to reverse Trump's protectionist policies which means returning to the globalist status quo.  Even now Democrats are dragging their heals on accepting Trump's negotiations to alter NAFTA (which wasn't discussed during the debate unless I missed it); Republicans don't have to intervene because Democrats are doing that for them.

The Democratic stance is that Trump has been harming long standing global partnerships and that a Democratic President will work to repair the harm that Trump has done.  Republicans weren't represented on the debate stage but many Republicans have voiced similar concerns and desires.  Globalism has been a bipartisan consensus for several decades.

 
 
 
Dulay
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6.1.2  Dulay  replied to  Nerm_L @6.1.1    5 years ago
Harris made several references for using executive orders to implement her ideas should Congress fail or refuse to do so.  Harris adopted an uncompromising stance on several issues and promised to bypass Congress to implement her uncompromising proposals.

Which infers imperialism HOW? Trump has signed 109 Executive Orders since January 2016. Does that make him an emperor? 

But all the candidates proposed a financial solution to the problem rather than addressing the underlying problem of delivery.

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You obviously missed a good chunk of the debate. There were a shit load of statements about Medicaid for all. Medicaid is the BEST deliver system we have in this country, both in cost, quality of  patient care and patient satisfaction. 

The Democratic approach to health care is really nothing more than a 'chicken in every pot' promise. It's nothing more than populist pandering.

Again, you're admitting that the Democrats are making popular proposals that the majority agree with. Well done. 

Historically Republicans have received about half of the Hispanic/Latino vote.

More blather.

What country's history are you talking about. Not in the US it hasn't. 

The Democratic political strategy is to incorporate the growing Hispanic/Latino block into the Democratic base which, naturally, will reshape the Democratic base.

Hispanics/Latinos are ALREADY part of the Democratic base. That's what scares the GOP. You should read their 'post mortem' after Romney lost. They talk all about it in there...

Yep, that was the Ted Kennedy litany. Nothing new in those claims. But how did the candidates respond to questions concerning automation, trade, and the future of work? Did any of the candidates mention labor unions or did I miss that?

Again, you missed quite a bit. All of those topics were talked about and YES, you missed the part about labor unions TOO. 

The GOP is still for free trade; don't kid yourself.

Really? What has McConnell and the rest of Trump's minions done about the tariffs Trump has imposed? What have they done about Trump's threats to close the southern border? 

Democrats are promising to reverse Trump's protectionist policies which means returning to the globalist status quo.

Trump's tariffs aren't supposed to be permanent, they are supposed to be bargaining chips. So are you positing that the Trump tariffs should remain in place even if trade deals like the USMCA are agreed to? 

Globalism has been a bipartisan consensus for several decades.

That might be because in order to be the biggest economy and the leader of the free WORLD we need to think and act GLOBALLY. 

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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6.1.3  Nerm_L  replied to  Dulay @6.1.2    5 years ago
Which infers imperialism HOW? Trump has signed 109 Executive Orders since January 2016. Does that make him an emperor? 

Trump was not invited to participate in the debate.  IMO comparing Harris to Trump isn't the best way to convince Democratic voters.

You obviously missed a good chunk of the debate. There were a shit load of statements about Medicaid for all. Medicaid is the BEST deliver system we have in this country, both in cost, quality of  patient care and patient satisfaction.

Medicaid is a financial solution that just throws more money at a cost problem. The health care industry will take every dollar thrown to them and lobby for more.  Medical suppliers and care providers can always raise prices to ensure more money will be needed.

Hispanics/Latinos are ALREADY part of the Democratic base. That's what scares the GOP. You should read their 'post mortem' after Romney lost. They talk all about it in there...

And already part of the Republican base.  The Hispanic/latino voting block has always been split between Democrats and Republicans.  

Again, you missed quite a bit. All of those topics were talked about and YES, you missed the part about labor unions TOO.

Being a permanent student is not a profession.  The proposed solution to job loss caused by automation and trade was perpetual education and government redistribution.  Automation eliminates blue collar jobs; artificial intelligence eliminates white collar jobs.  There won't even be a need for teachers and professors.

Really? What has McConnell and the rest of Trump's minions done about the tariffs Trump has imposed? What have they done about Trump's threats to close the southern border? 

Neither McConnell or Trump were invited to participate in the debate.  IMO trying to portray Republicans as obstacles to free trade while championing Democratic support for free trade would be an extraordinarily stupid political mistake.  All those illegal immigrants want jobs, after all.

Trump's tariffs aren't supposed to be permanent, they are supposed to be bargaining chips. So are you positing that the Trump tariffs should remain in place even if trade deals like the USMCA are agreed to? 

Yep.

That might be because in order to be the biggest economy and the leader of the free WORLD we need to think and act GLOBALLY. 

Is that how China has done it?  Seems to me China has become the second largest economy by protecting its manufacturers, creating manufacturing jobs, and exploiting the markets in other countries. 

Please, explain why the United States needs to import bottled water from Mexico?  Don't imports have a larger carbon footprint than domestic production?  How will Democrats reconcile the contradiction between free trade and climate change?

 
 
 
Dulay
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6.1.4  Dulay  replied to  Nerm_L @6.1.3    5 years ago
Trump was not invited to participate in the debate. 

Revelatory. /s

IMO comparing Harris to Trump isn't the best way to convince Democratic voters.

I didn't compare Harris to Trump. You inferred that using EOs is imperialistic. I cited the FACT that Trump has signed 109 EOs. 

Medicaid is a financial solution that just throws more money at a cost problem.

Utter bullshit. 

BTW, I misspoke. It's Medicare for all. 

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And already part of the Republican base. The Hispanic/latino voting block has always been split between Democrats and Republicans.

If by split you mean 70% Democratic and 30% GOP, your right. But hell, that's better than they're doing with African Americans. 

Being a permanent student is not a profession.

WTF are you talking about? 

IMO trying to portray Republicans as obstacles to free trade while championing Democratic support for free trade would be an extraordinarily stupid political mistake. 

Trump is the obstacle to free trade and HIS party is marching in lock step with him. 

All those illegal immigrants want jobs, after all.

And? 

Yep.  

So you're against free trade. Got ya. 

BTW, WTF would the incentive be for China to make a trade deal or uphold one if the tariffs stay in place? 

Is that how China has done it? Seems to me China has become the second largest economy by protecting its manufacturers, creating manufacturing jobs, and exploiting the markets in other countries. 

State capitalism. 

Please, explain why the United States needs to import bottled water from Mexico? Don't imports have a larger carbon footprint than domestic production? How will Democrats reconcile the contradiction between free trade and climate change?

Are you under some delusion that Democrats are responsible for importing water from Mexico? 

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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6.1.5  Nerm_L  replied to  Dulay @6.1.4    5 years ago
I didn't compare Harris to Trump. You inferred that using EOs is imperialistic. I cited the FACT that Trump has signed 109 EOs. 

Confusing the means with the ends doesn't reveal anything.  Of course, that is understandable when the political imperative is for the means to justify the ends.  Promising to bypass Congress is the imperial nature of the promise. 

By promising to bypass Congress, Harris either cannot fulfill that promise because Congress prevents it or Harris does away with the Constitutional authority of Congress.  Harris made a promise based on ignorance of how government works.  The comparison with Trump is apt.

Utter bullshit.  BTW, I misspoke. It's Medicare for all.

And every dollar in the budget is spent.  Increasing the budget won't change the fact that every new dollar will still be spent.  The argument to lobby for more money will always be that lack of money is preventing people from obtaining health care.  The financial industry has become quite adept at milking the public cow by holding the public at ransom.  

If by split you mean 70% Democratic and 30% GOP, your right. But hell, that's better than they're doing with African Americans. 

Way to throw the race card into the discussion.  Why have claims of racism been increasing?  Racial politics works the same way as favoring the financial industry; more favoritism results in more problems. 

Yes, the Hispanic/Latino voting block behaves more like the independent voting block.  Of course, it is also helpful to ignore Republicans with Hispanic/Latino heritage who have been elected to office.  John McCain was born in Panama and Mitt Romney was born in Mexico.  Remember Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio were candidates for President?

BTW, WTF would the incentive be for China to make a trade deal or uphold one if the tariffs stay in place?

Don't trade with China.  China has been using trade as a geopolitical weapon.  China has the largest consumer market on the planet; China doesn't need the United States to grow the Chinese economy into the world's largest economy.  China has become the second largest economy in four decades by developing industry; China doesn't have anything like the US financial sector. 

The Chinese economy directly refutes the claim that manufacturing is dead and manufacturing jobs are going to be eliminated.  The Chinese economy is a factory economy.  And the Chinese manufacturing economy is still growing and dominating global markets.  The Chinese are replacing the United States as the world leader by dominating global markets for manufactured goods.  How do you think the United States became the world leader?

Are you under some delusion that Democrats are responsible for importing water from Mexico?

It's not a delusion, it's NAFTA.  

 
 
 
Dulay
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6.1.6  Dulay  replied to  Nerm_L @6.1.5    5 years ago
Promising to bypass Congress is the imperial nature of the promise. 

Then EVERY POTUS has been an imperialist. So WTF are you whining about? 

The comparison with Trump is apt.

I know. 

And every dollar in the budget is spent.

Wow, another revalation. /s

Way to throw the race card into the discussion.

As an electoral demographic, Hispanic/Latino IS a race. Every single poll cites Hispanic/Latino as a percentage of race demographics. 

So pick up you fake outrage card and shove it. 

Don't trade with China.

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It Is ME
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8  It Is ME    5 years ago

"Ten 2020 presidential candidates faced off in round two of the first Democratic debate, sparring over inequality, immigration and race."

There was no "Sparring".

It was just about  "FREE stuff" for "Illegals", "FREE Reparations" paid for by folks that had NOTHING to do with Slavery, Who was blacker than the other and how it was bad that OWNERS of Companies made more than HIRED workers.

FREE, DESERVE, FREE, DESERVE ! Nothing more, nothing less. 

I was ALWAYS taught, "It's not someone else's JOB to "Earn" what you think you "Deserve" for you" !

 
 
 
It Is ME
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9  It Is ME    5 years ago

FITS TODAY !

THE LEFT NEEDS A TALKING TO LIKE THIS !

 
 
 
CB
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9.1  CB  replied to  It Is ME @9    5 years ago

We still have problems we can not fix in this country, because some people won't (blank) and get off the pot!

Trump needs a talking to like this! (And maybe so do the rest of his "entourage" who met with Putin today).

Go ahead Mr. Webb:

Key phrases to look for: "American have too many freedoms." "Russian treachery."

It would seem Russia (in Putin) finally figured out which American 'party' to join. Desperate for a political 'death-blow' to liberalism: Conservatism sold itself out (at long last). 

 
 
 
It Is ME
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9.1.1  It Is ME  replied to  CB @9.1    5 years ago

Trump NEVER said Communism was a good thing, but Democrats running for president SURE DO SAY that this Country Needs to "Change" into something else . jrSmiley_80_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
CB
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9.1.2  CB  replied to  It Is ME @9.1.1    5 years ago

Who said anything about communism being a good thing? This is a long-range plan to destroy our 'American' free way of life. Russians are studying us (even back then) and are invading us (currently) through Trump's "bourgeois capitalist" head.

Can you say: "Useful idiot"? 

Of course you can, but you won't say it because you are "fanning" for Trump!

 
 
 
Ronin2
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9.1.3  Ronin2  replied to  CB @9.1.2    5 years ago

Right, because Trump's actions have been so beneficial to the Russians. Please point out, other than his words, all of the actions that Trump has taken to assist the Russians?

Want useful idiots, try the Democrats that are bound and determined to rip this country apart. Impeach Trump over the Mueller report? Might as well hand over the keys for the US at the same time to Putin. Putin is laughing his ass off at the sheer amount of stupidity on both sides; as we turn even further against each other. He didn't even have to spend that much money to force us over the edge. Now every time someone disagrees with a Democrat, or sides with Trump, they are accused of being a Russian bot.

I can't stand Trump; but acting like this is a one sided shit show just isn't factual. The Dems have done more than their fair share to divide the country even further apart.  Of course once they get the WH they will demand we all come together; and anyone that doesn't.

 
 
 
CB
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9.1.4  CB  replied to  Ronin2 @9.1.3    5 years ago

I'm not buying any of this. So you won't get a "Atta boy!" here. Conservatives are against Liberals, far and beyond Putin already. He simply exploited the reality of it! To continue this discussion further, have you read any significant section of the Mueller Report? I'm curious.

Besides liberals wanting more people to enjoy and participate in the "American Dream" apart from grueling days and nights in the bowels and gears of "America," is a far cry than Conservatives who want more of the dreams of everybody else to exist as their own.

In other words, I can exist with a Right-wing Christian in my midst—can you actually find a right-wing Christian who wants a homosexual Christian (see: Buttigieg) anywhere nearby? What they can't not change, some conservatives excise and/or kill, figuratively and/or literally.

 

 
 
 
Ronin2
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9.1.5  Ronin2  replied to  CB @9.1.4    5 years ago
Conservatives are against Liberals, far and beyond Putin already. He simply exploited the reality of it!

You ignore that Russia also sponsored Anti Trump demonstrations after he was elected.

An indictment filed by Robert Mueller , the special counsel investigating Russian interference in the 2016 election, detailed how Russians allegedly used social media not only to spread divisive messages leading up to the election but also to promote rallies they themselves staged.

Mueller's team charges that Russian-controlled groups organized rallies both in support and opposition to Trump in the days following the election, including helping organize anti-Trump rallies in New York and North Carolina in mid-November 2016.

The indictment states that "Defendants and their co-conspirators used false U.S. personas to organize and coordinate U.S. political rallies in support of then president-elect Trump, while simultaneously using other false U.S. personas to organize and coordinate U.S. political rallies protesting the results of the 2016 U.S. presidential election."

But by all means continue the false narrative that the Russians were only aiding Trump.  They wanted to divide the country, and played both sides.

To answer your question, yes I have read significant parts of heir Mueller's report. Considering his team of Hillary and Obama sycophants; I would have thought he could do far better. Instead he drew a lot of individual "facts", couldn't tie them together, and left them open for "interpretation". Great job of smoke and mirrors; but no fire. (Maybe one of these days he will answer why Carter Page was used as a Trojan Horse to get access to the Trump campaign- and then was never questioned, much the less charged, by Comey or Mueller) As for the obstruction. Need to have a crime first; and he didn't prove there was a crime. Also, I want to know when Mueller was fired? He never acted like he was fired. Could it be because outside of talking Trump never took action. Asking his legal representation for ways to legally remove Mueller and end the shit show investigation is not obstruction. As for Comey. The left wanted him gone so badly they were screaming for it after his handling of the non investigation of Hillary's emails. To go with that you have this from the absent minded Rosenstein. This was just a stupid set up; but anything to get Trump.

 In other words, I can exist with a Right-wing Christian in my midst—can you actually find a right-wing Christian who wants a homosexualChristian (see: Buttigieg)anywhere nearby? What they can't not change, some conservatives excise and/or kill, figuratively and/or literally.

Left wingers are just so tolerant, we should be honored to be in the same country as them./S So you can "exist" with a Right-wing Christian- that is a far cry from "wanting one nearby". Right-wing Christians do exist with people they don't like in their midst- just ask all of my neighbors. I am an atheist, which they know because for some reason the mother (who I support financially) wants their approval. I haven't been singled out, attacked, or even argued with once. They even tolerated my campaigning door to door for Gary Johnson in 2016. Though by the voting results for my area, I am sure all of them were humoring me.

 
 
 
Dulay
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9.1.6  Dulay  replied to  Ronin2 @9.1.5    5 years ago
As for the obstruction. Need to have a crime first; and he didn't prove there was a crime.

False. 

 
 
 
CB
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9.1.7  CB  replied to  Ronin2 @9.1.5    5 years ago
So you can "exist" with a Right-wing Christian- that is a far cry from "wanting one nearby". Right-wing Christians do exist with people they don't like in their midst- just ask all of my neighbors. I am an atheist, which they know because for some reason the mother (who I support financially) wants their approval. I haven't been singled out, attacked, or even argued with once. They even tolerated my campaigning door to door for Gary Johnson in 2016. Though by the voting results for my area, I am sure all of them were humoring me.

1. Cute. Here is the actual quote (not the one you 'heard' in your mind):

In other words, I can exist with a Right-wing Christian in my midst—can you actually find a right-wing Christian who wants a homosexual Christian (see: Buttigieg) anywhere nearby?

Now then, explain how someone can be in the 'middle' of; and, not be nearby? Go on I'm listening.

2. Cute. The actual quote is above. Now then, what exactly is the corollary between Atheism (atheist) and homosexual Christian? What are you implying about yourself? Go ahead, I'm listening. 

3. Cute. Confusing. An atheist gives money to a Right-wing Christian family member and has expectation of 'trouble' —how does that work exactly? And, you are confusing me; what does this mother need her neighbors' approval for exactly?

4. Well if you feel confident you were being "humored;" then how do you connect it to "the Gay"?  Listening intensely at this stage. . . .

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
9.1.8  CB  replied to  Ronin2 @9.1.5    5 years ago
To answer your question, yes I have read significant parts of heir Mueller's report.

An indictment  filed by Robert Mueller, the special counsel investigating Russian interference in the 2016 election, detailed how Russians allegedly used social media not only to spread divisive messages leading up to the election but also to promote rallies they themselves staged.

Mueller's team charges that Russian-controlled groups organized rallies both in support and opposition to Trumpin the days following the election, including helping organize anti-Trump rallies in New York and North Carolina in mid-November 2016.

The indictment states that "Defendants and their co-conspirators used false U.S. personas to organize and coordinate U.S. political rallies in support of then president-elect Trump, while simultaneously using other false U.S. personas to organize and coordinate U.S. political rallies protesting the results of the 2016 U.S. presidential election."

"Heir" Mueller's report? Heir ? or Herr? I am confident you mean, "Herr Mueller." Now then, if you read "significant parts" of Mueller's Report - WHY are you quoting form The Hill ( x2 ) in 2018 ( x2 )?

When did The Mueller Report 'hit' the public, Ronin2? What is the date on the report?

Can you gather your 'clapback' from the Mueller Report, please? That is not too much to ask, in my opinion!

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Expert
9.1.9  Dulay  replied to  Ronin2 @9.1.5    5 years ago
(Maybe one of these days he will answer why Carter Page was used as a Trojan Horse to get access to the Trump campaign- and then was never questioned, much the less charged, by Comey or Mueller)

Maybe on of these days one of y'all will tell me how Carter Page gave anyone access to the Trump Campaign when Page LEFT the Trump campaign before the FISA warrant was issued. 

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
9.1.10  CB  replied to  Ronin2 @9.1.5    5 years ago
Considering his team of Hillary and Obama sycophants; I would have thought he could do far better. Instead he drew a lot of individual "facts", couldn't tie them together, and left them open for "interpretation". Great job of smoke and mirrors; but no fire. (Maybe one of these days he will answer why Carter Page was used as a Trojan Horse to get access to the Trump campaign- and then was never questioned, much the less charged, by Comey or Mueller) As for the obstruction. Need to have a crime first; and he didn't prove there was a crime. Also, I want to know when Mueller was fired? He never acted like he was fired. Could it be because outside of talking Trump never took action. Asking his legal representation for ways to legally remove Mueller and end the shit show investigation is not obstruction. As for Comey. The left wanted him gone so badly they were screaming for it after his handling of the non investigation of Hillary's emails. To go with that you have this from the absent minded Rosenstein. This was just a stupid set up; but anything to get Trump.

"Considering [Mueller's] team of Hillary and Obama sycophants. . . .

Hold up! Stop all the dancing horses, put the 'fat man' back on his stool, and let the Ringmaster know this is a "no show."

This chunk of comment gets no comment. I don't "do" Trump TV!

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
9.1.11  CB  replied to  Dulay @9.1.9    5 years ago

T he Mueller Report is very interesting around Carter Page from say pages 95 - 102. Here you go, my friend: It is a Justice Department (downloadable) document.

 
 
 
It Is ME
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9.1.12  It Is ME  replied to  CB @9.1.2    5 years ago
Can you say: "Useful idiot"? 

Weird !

What has Trump given Russia ?

It surely wasn't "Leeway" like his predecessor "GAVE". jrSmiley_99_smiley_image.jpg

Russia must love sanctions, then they can play the "Victim card" just like progressives and Liberals do ?

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
9.1.13  CB  replied to  It Is ME @9.1.12    5 years ago

Stop defending the indefensible.

Assuming you have read significant portions of The Mueller Report:

Russia and President Putin interacted with the Trump Campaign and its officials on numerous occasions in 2016.

1. How does this make you feel, It Is Me?

According to our intelligence agencies (the ones in the know) Russia is still interjecting itself into our election process.

2. How does this make you feel, It is Me?

When President Trump met President Putin at the G20, he was less than serious when asking President Putin's Russia to 'cease and desist' interfering - sanctions apparently notwithstanding.

3. 2. How does this make you feel, It is Me?

 
 
 
It Is ME
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9.1.14  It Is ME  replied to  CB @9.1.13    5 years ago
Stop defending the indefensible.

Show me an actual definitive....and I'll stop !

Innuendo, Conjecture, and "Could-be's don't hold up in an actual "Court of law" IN THIS COUNTRY !

The likes of Iran and others like it......sure !

Are you trying to "Change" the "rule of law" and the courts in THIS country to nothing more than "I feel", so it must be true ?

"Guilty" until proven "INNOCENT" ?

Seems YOU are the one that should STOP the idiotic thought process !

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
9.1.15  CB  replied to  It Is ME @9.1.14    5 years ago

Okay feel nothing, then. I won't dignify your comment any further. There are better things to do in life and with my time than discuss matters with less than serious people.

Bye bye. 

 
 
 
It Is ME
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9.1.16  It Is ME  replied to  CB @9.1.15    5 years ago
Okay feel nothing, then.

"Feelings" don't get the cake ready for baking.

"Actions" do !

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
9.1.17  CB  replied to  It Is ME @9.1.16    5 years ago

Apparently, you FEEL like continuing 'talking' ('loud and saying nothing). Action: Bye bye, It Is ME.  Don't FEEL a need to keep ringing me up on this!

 
 
 
It Is ME
Masters Guide
9.1.18  It Is ME  replied to  CB @9.1.17    5 years ago

Your bye,bye really didn't mean anything ? jrSmiley_98_smiley_image.gif

Typical.

Do you "Mean it" this time ? jrSmiley_88_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
9.1.19  CB  replied to  It Is ME @9.1.18    5 years ago

Ditto. (I'm in touch with my feelings, so there is that!)  You on the other-hand may be conflicted about telling the truth of yours. Oh wow! "Emoticons!"

An emoticon (ee-MOHT-i-kahn), is a pictorial representation of a facial expression using punctuation marks, numbers and letters, usually written to express a person's feelings or mood.
Seems somebody does have feelings, but deploys feelings as a distraction. What's there to hide/from?
 
 
 
It Is ME
Masters Guide
9.1.20  It Is ME  replied to  CB @9.1.19    5 years ago
Ditto

Ditto ?

I said bye, bye to you ?

"(I'm in touch with my feelings, so there is that!)"

That's wonderful.....yet sadly …… meaningless !

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Expert
9.1.21  Dulay  replied to  CB @9.1.11    5 years ago
The Mueller Report is very interesting around Carter Page from say pages 95 - 102. 

The most important of which is the first line about Carter Page. 

Carter Page worked for the Trump Campaign from January 2016 to September 2016.

The FISA warrant was signed in OCTOBER 2016. 

Here you go, my friend: It is a Justice Department (downloadable) document.

Been there, read ALL of that...

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
9.1.22  CB  replied to  Dulay @9.1.21    5 years ago

Oh goodness! I have not finished the document yet: it is an on-going project 'stuck' on a tab in my browser! I am encouraged by your drive to get back on it!

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Expert
9.1.23  Dulay  replied to  CB @9.1.22    5 years ago

It took me over a week. 

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
9.1.24  CB  replied to  Dulay @9.1.23    5 years ago

I am having trouble keeping up with all the "trump-sphere" around here lately!

 
 
 
PJ
Masters Quiet
10  PJ    5 years ago

Both democratic debates showcased why not to vote democrat.  These people are stupid, stupid, stupid.  When will they learn to lie like the republicans. 

last night in particular:

Harris wants to sign executive orders if congress and the senate don't pass legislation on issues she thinks should be passed.  And she wants to bring up every race issue that happened in the past and prosecute white people who have not apologized repeatedly.

Biden and Sanders seem out of touch and confused.

Swalwell kept jumping in to try out slogans that fell flat.

Bennett is not Presidential material but I could see him being effective and working with the lying POS republican side.

Williamson is the crazy cat lady who wondered in off the road and found herself on stage.  (definite SNL skit)

Hickenlooper has some relevant experience but I couldn't get past the yellow teeth.  After effects of pot smoking.......not sure.

Lang has a unique and creative plan of giving money away.  I guess we'd have fun before the country went bankrupt.

Buttigieg was my favorite.  I think he is measured and not so tarnished as the other professional politicians. 

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Professor Quiet
10.2  Jasper2529  replied to  PJ @10    5 years ago
Williamson is the crazy cat lady who wondered in off the road and found herself on stage.  

I had to look her up, because I didn't know anything about her. Found out she dropped out of college to pursue a career as a cabaret singer!

I was tempted to light up some incense, set out a bowl of crystals, and listen to "All You Need is Love" or "Magical Mystery Tour" whenever she opened her mouth. 

(definite SNL skit)

It might be coming. Here's Kate McKinnon ...

 
 
 
Sunshine
Professor Quiet
10.2.1  Sunshine  replied to  Jasper2529 @10.2    5 years ago
I was tempted to light up some incense, set out a bowl of crystals, and listen to "All You Need is Love" or "Magical Mystery Tour" whenever she opened her mouth. 

haha...is the one that got Warren downgraded?

 
 
 
Ronin2
Professor Quiet
10.2.3  Ronin2  replied to  Jasper2529 @10.2    5 years ago

Poor Kate. No invites to the White House for her should Warren or Marianne make it to the White House.

Someone forgot to tell her she is only allowed to make fun of conservative women.

 
 

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