It Was More About Joe Biden's Failure To Respond Well To Kamala Harris Attack On Him , Then It Was About Harris Herself

  
By:  john-russell  •  4 months ago  •  46 comments

It Was More About Joe Biden's Failure To Respond Well To Kamala Harris Attack On Him , Then It Was About Harris Herself
Any monkey wrench thrown at a 77 year old tends to amplify his 77 years in a way that the same monkey wrench thrown at a 47 year old may go by unnoticed

“I did not oppose busing in America.”

— Joe Biden

Biden did oppose busing, though the issue is a bit complicated.

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Everyone knew that someone was going to bring up Joe Biden's history of opposing busing, and as the only black on the day two stage, odds were it was going to be Kamala Harris. Like many other people, I didnt think Biden handled it well. When Harris said she was bused to school in Berkely California as a child , Biden answered that was because the local authorities out there chose to do so. He said that he had opposed federally mandated busing. He told Harris that he hadn't opposed busing itself, rather that he had opposed busing ordered by the (U.S.) Department Of Education. 

In an instant Biden had made himself into a proponent of "states rights", often seen as a catchall defense of racially discriminatory policies, mostly in the south. And of course, the confederate revisionist version of why the south seceded in 1860 was so as to defend the concept of "state's rights". It is hard to imagine that Biden really believes there is worth in invoking states rights at a Democratic debate in 2019. 

When Biden becomes defensive he shows signs of losing his temper, and he is probably lucky a ten person debate format of 30 second or one minute replies prevents one from really losing it. As it is , the exchange with Harris made Biden look old. Any monkey wrench thrown at a 77 year old tends to amplify his 77 years in a way that the same monkey wrench thrown at a 47 year old may go by unnoticed. 

I think it is still true that the eventual Democratic candidate will "tack to the middle" in the general election.  Kamala Harris is not a radical, she will eventually be seen as more in the center of the Democratic Party than the left. Whether the nominee is Harris, Buttigieg, Biden, Klobuchar Booker, or even Elizabeth Warren , the Democratic candidate will campaign on a center left agenda, not "socialism". 

Joe Biden did not have a good night last night, not because Harris launched some impressively brilliant or unusual attack on him , but because his response and demeanor made him look old. He better start getting younger soon. 

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JohnRussell
1  author  JohnRussell    4 months ago

The Iowa caucuses are 7 months away, more than enough time for Biden to reframe his opposition to busing into something more palatable in 2019.  I'm not as sure that he can make himself look younger though. 

Whatever sort of incredibly buffoonish asshole Trump has shown himself to be, and he has, he never has the issue of looking old, and I dont think it would help Biden in a debate with Trump to be seen as old. At some point Biden is going to need a reboot. 

 
 
 
WallyW
2  WallyW    4 months ago

So Cruella becomes the front runner. All the heavy artillery will now be aimed at her.

It's all over for creepy old Joe

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2.1  author  JohnRussell  replied to  WallyW @2    4 months ago

Biden would be an excellent replacement for the worst president in American history, Donald J. Trump. 

 
 
 
cjcold
2.2  cjcold  replied to  WallyW @2    4 months ago

"Cruella"? "creepy old Joe"? Seems Trump and his followers never emotionally graduated from grade school.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2.2.1  author  JohnRussell  replied to  cjcold @2.2    4 months ago
Seems Trump and his followers never emotionally graduated from grade school.

Or attended. 

 
 
 
Greg Jones
2.2.2  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @2.2.1    4 months ago

Wally's right. What he says about the opposition is much less worse than what is said about Trump and his "supporters".

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2.2.3  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Greg Jones @2.2.2    4 months ago
Wally's right. What he says about the opposition is much less worse than what is said about Trump and his "supporters".

Yes, and there is a reason for that. Trump is a joke and that makes his supporters what? 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
2.2.4  Trout Giggles  replied to  JohnRussell @2.2.3    4 months ago
Trump is a joke and that makes his supporters what? 

fools

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2.2.5  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Trout Giggles @2.2.4    4 months ago

Why do we always have to belabor the obvious with these people? jrSmiley_4_smiley_image.png

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
2.2.6  Trout Giggles  replied to  JohnRussell @2.2.5    4 months ago

It's our burden and we must accept it

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
3  Sean Treacy    4 months ago

Biden's the best general election candidate they have because he can be perceived as offering a return to "normalcy." But in a party controlled by fanatics demanding idealogical purity, that's a recipe for disaster.

Joes been in power too long with all the compromises that went along with governing and  pandered to too many different  types of "deplorables" to survive scrutiny by the Social justice warrior brigades who control the Democratic Party and media.   

 
 
 
JohnRussell
3.1  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @3    4 months ago

Generally, opposition to busing was a code for racism. Not all the time, not everywhere, but in general. White parents did not like black kids coming into their neighborhoods, but what was worse was the prospect of their white children being sent into black areas to go to school. 

But busing is really behind us now, this is an issue of a 77 year old adapting his answers in a youthful sounding way and with a young man's outlook. Last night was not a promising start to that by Joe Biden. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
3.1.1  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1    4 months ago

John,

Gonna disagree with you a little bit. 

Bussing was a very complicated issue. It was supposed to help blacks get a better education. But opposition to it, often had nothing to do with racism. It had to do with whether or not your kid went to the local school or was bussed across town. This often made difficulties for families. My cousins were bussed to the far end of the district and because they had working parents if anything happened to them, neither my aunt or my uncle could get them easily.

As for Biden, he should have been prepared for this question. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
3.1.2  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @3.1.1    4 months ago

All opposition to busing wasn't based on race, but some of it was.  Unfortunately Biden has said a few other problematic things about race in the 70's. I dont think that what someone said 40 or 50 years ago should matter much as long as the person has changed. He seems to have a good civil rights record. 

 
 
 
CB
3.1.3  CB   replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.2    4 months ago

I agree with both your and Perrie's analyses, perfectl. Albeit, Perrie's analysis works in both directions. That is, black parents would have the same set of circumstances and problems with getting their kids from school if something happened. 

However, the goal was to accomplish something larger: school equality.

John, I agree with you especially about "by-gones being by-gones." So I am going to copy  - paste this from your article's link above :

As Viser reported, Biden said in a 1975 interview in a Delaware-based publication named People Paper:

“I oppose busing. It’s an asinine concept, the utility of which has never been proven to me,” he said. “I’ve gotten to the point where I think our only recourse to eliminate busing may be a constitutional amendment.”

Biden recognized that such comments could prompt some to lump him in with racists. “ The unsavory part about this is when I come out against busing, as I have all along , I don’t want to be mixed up with a George Wallace,” he said, referring to the segregationist governor of Alabama.

“The real problem with busing,” he said, was that “you take people who aren’t racist, people who are good citizens, who believe in equal education and opportunity, and you stunt their children’s intellectual growth by busing them to an inferior school . . . and you’re going to fill them with hatred.”

He contended that being bused, while bad for white students, hurts black children, too. An African American child is sent to a white school in a wealthy neighborhood, then “back to the ghetto. How can he be encouraged to love his white brothers? He doesn’t need a look at ‘the other side,’ he needs the chance to get out of the ghetto permanently,” Biden said.

I am sitting here and my head almost exploded! By 1975, Joe Biden should have known that busing was working to homogenize the schools, even if was suffering from conservatives who kept f hit up in the air about it as a forced issue.

Joe, Joe, Joe, is guilty of one thing: He seems to like to hear the sound of his own voice on issues. (Sort of reminds me of me!)

This interview above (bold and maroon colored) is bad (for Joe). Because he is definitely wrong. Kids love each other if and when left to their own thoughts. The fact that adults can be foolish, stupid, dirty, and ignorant notwithstanding.

Kamala Harris is right to suggest that she is a 'better off' person in this life because of bussing. If that is what she meant, as she does not explicitly say this in response.

Still, Joe, Joe, Joe, needs to 'buy a damn clue'! You can not fight these old conflicts like that.  For many black people know Kamala is "spot on" in her analyses.

Lastly, I am fully aware that some black people to this day think that 'bussing' and 'mixing' messed up the 'black experience" — and they are dead wrong, in my opinion.

 
 
 
Sunshine
3.1.4  Sunshine  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.2    4 months ago
. I dont think that what someone said 40 or 50 years ago should matter much as long as the person has changed.

I hear the left digs up old yearbooks.

Biden is getting a taste of his own party.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
3.1.5  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  CB @3.1.3    4 months ago

Well said CB!

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
3.1.6  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Sunshine @3.1.4    4 months ago
I hear the left digs up old yearbooks. Biden is getting a taste of his own party.

Two thoughts about that. 

Do two wrongs make a right?

Has Biden ever done that?

I think we all know the answers. 

 
 
 
Sunshine
3.1.7  Sunshine  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @3.1.6    4 months ago
Do two wrongs make a right?

No it doesn't. I don't believe I said it was right, if that is what your are implying.

It wasn't right for Kavanaugh either, but that is what Democrats do. 

 
 
 
CB
3.1.8  CB   replied to  Sunshine @3.1.7    4 months ago

Well, come the general election, we shall see just how much digging republicans have done in opposition research on the democrat challenger. It won't be good. It will have been done. And unsettlingly, it make not be authentic and a bit of a pretext. We've seen "the game" before! Just trot some foul statement out there, let it stand, get well ahead of the truth, then silently let it fade out.

My question is this: What else is there out there on Trump? After all, in 2016, in accepting the right-wing Christian sponsorship of his candidacy Trump stated something to the effect that, 'doing right by them may be his way of getting into Heaven.'

Now that another woman has come out from the 'bush,' I wonder just how many women are still trapped in the thicket fearing to expose Trump?

Democrats have got to take this fight to this man. Trump is a truly unremarkable person—he just has 'a lot of balls.' For example, to sit next to Putin and mock the media's legitimate call for our president to question this lead Russian about interfering in U.S. elections. Trump is figuratively, a wild-card playing itself every day. He has a limited percentage base, he is an extraordinary liar, he is not modest, he is 'cruel,' has a f-d up political disposition, and cheats "a lot."

Kamala, Elizabeth, Kristen, Marianne, and okay(!) Pete too - you have got to figuratively 'cut' Trump from his machismo down to size.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
3.1.9  Vic Eldred  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @3.1.1    4 months ago

And that would be why nobody (Except for rich white liberals) was ever really in favor of it!  


As for Biden, he should have been prepared for this question. 

Of course!  He is the big front runner. Candidates don't win primaries unless they go after the front runner. It should be noted that Biden spent the following day trying to explain it all!

 
 
 
katrix
3.2  katrix  replied to  Sean Treacy @3    4 months ago
Joes been in power too long

He's too damn old. As are Sanders and Trump.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
3.2.1  Greg Jones  replied to  katrix @3.2    4 months ago

Reagan was just about as old. But Biden is too moderate and centrist to fit in with the radical far left "vision" that the Democrat party seemingly subscribes to today.

 
 
 
MrFrost
3.2.2  MrFrost  replied to  Greg Jones @3.2.1    4 months ago
radical far left "vision" that the Democrat party seemingly subscribes to today.

You mean what YOU see. And I am sure you would never use hyperbole. 

 
 
 
†hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh
4  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh    4 months ago

She took out the DNC nostalgia candidate, the token white guy they anchored Obama with which made little sense considering his past. Bernie Sanders is your new front runner as well as he should be considering he is the father of the New platform of medicare for all which all candidates agreed on and open borders where once again all candidates agreed on.

 
 
 
CB
4.1  CB   replied to  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh @4    4 months ago

"Nostalgia candidate." Cute.

Well, former President Obama lifted good old Joe from the drone pool of the Senate once before. Looks like at the appropriate time, he may have to do it again: with a good word.  Joe Biden is a good spirit and he keeps company with the best people overall.

Bernie Sanders? Is not going to win against Trump's bullfhit machine-gun mouth. No matter what Bernie can say: the cacophony of noise that would attend his general election run would be destructive and threaten to tear this nation's forward trajectory apart, in my opinion. 

Note: Love your weird avatar too!

 
 
 
Jasper2529
5  Jasper2529    4 months ago
Joe Biden did not have a good night last night, not because Harris launched some impressively brilliant or unusual attack on him , but because his response and demeanor made him look old. He better start getting younger soon. 

He also dropped the ball when Diaz-Balart said, " "The Obama-Biden administration deported more than 3 million Americans " in a question directed to him.

https://freebeacon.com/issues/diaz-balart-says-obama-admin-deported-3-million-americans-actually-none-were-americans/

Biden wasn't awake enough to correct him.

 
 
 
cjcold
5.1  cjcold  replied to  Jasper2529 @5    4 months ago

Technically, anybody born on this continent is an American (no matter what those crazy Canucks say).

 
 
 
Jasper2529
5.1.1  Jasper2529  replied to  cjcold @5.1    4 months ago

Don't deflect. Illegal aliens in the USA aren't our citizens. But, you knew that.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
5.1.2  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Jasper2529 @5.1.1    4 months ago

Because we all know what he meant. Granted it would have boded well for Biden to have said, illegal aliens. 

 
 
 
Jasper2529
5.1.3  Jasper2529  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @5.1.2    4 months ago
Because we all know what he meant.

How would " we all " know what he meant?

  1. There are two American continents.
  2. I referred to illegal immigration in comment 5 .

Period.

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
5.1.4  Mark in Wyoming  replied to  Jasper2529 @5.1.3    4 months ago
There are two American continents.

Most US citizens cant tell you where the dividing line is though, off topic I know …..

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
5.1.5  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  cjcold @5.1    4 months ago

I agree that I'm a North American, as would be a Mexican, but words take on common meanings, and the word "American" has become common usage to describe a citizen of the USA.

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
5.1.6  Mark in Wyoming  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @5.1.5    4 months ago

lol buzz ya have to go further south than that , the demarcation line for the north and south American continents are the Columbian and Panamanian border. but you knew that.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
5.1.7  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Mark in Wyoming @5.1.6    4 months ago

I always thought that there was a North America, A Central America and a South America.

From Wikipedia:

"Central America (Spanish: América Central, pronounced [aˌmeɾika senˈtɾal], Centroamérica [sentɾoaˈmeɾika]) is a region found in the southern tip of North America and is sometimes defined as a subcontinent of the Americas. This region is bordered by Mexico to the north, Colombia to the southeast, the Caribbean Sea to the east and [the Pacific Ocean to the west.]"
 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
5.1.8  Mark in Wyoming  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @5.1.7    4 months ago

I did too so don't feel bad , continentally there are only 2 American continents , regionally 3, north central and south dependent on where they sit in relation to one another . all of what we call Central America falls on the North American continent. Let the cartographers and geologists worry about it .

 
 
 
CB
5.2  CB   replied to  Jasper2529 @5    4 months ago

Jasper, former VP Biden said that any comparison between what Trump is doing with what Obama in similar circumstances does not work or words to that effect. So he did correct Diaz-Balart before the 'train' moved on down the discussion line.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
5.2.1  Jasper2529  replied to  CB @5.2    4 months ago

Hi, CB. I appreciate your comment, but it doesn't address the crux of my comment 5 . The moderator wrongly stated that the Obama/Biden Administration deported 3 million+ Americans. Biden missed a perfect opportunity to correct him, thereby showing everyone how on the ball he is.

 
 
 
CB
5.2.2  CB   replied to  Jasper2529 @5.2.1    4 months ago

Good catch. The pols should have all caught that slip up. For one thing, U.S. citizens ("Americans") can not be deported to foreign countries. Biden does need to get with it!

Incidentally, I heard that statement in real time and did not catch it or if I did think it off, I did not focus on it because the conversation moved on rapidly. However, Balart should not have phrased the question in that manner and Biden (and the others) should have 'flagged' it, in my opinion.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
5.2.3  Jasper2529  replied to  CB @5.2.2    4 months ago

That was something else I noticed. The other 9 candidates could have spoken up and made the correction. They, too, would have looked good!

 
 
 
CB
5.2.4  CB   replied to  Jasper2529 @5.2.3    4 months ago

It all happened very fast (mere seconds). Some sharp-minded person (journalist) caught it. In this case, I could be cross with José Díaz-Balart for 'handicapping' the question. He had all the time to properly build the question without this specific fine distinction and error. It could not come at a worst time for Joe Biden and this inattentive bunch. Even though there was some extraneous and mildly distracting sounds coming from the audience area throughout this questioning.

 
 
 
livefreeordie
6  livefreeordie    4 months ago

Kamala Harris pathetic attempt to identify as a poor and discriminated African American just provides more evidence to my charge that ALL politicians are pathological liars

Harris, the child of wealthy professionals spent her early childhood in an upscale neighborhood in one of the most leftist cities in America (then and now).

At age 12 she moved with her mother to Quebec Canada completing high school in Quebec

And of related interest, just one year ago Harris was boasting in pride about being part of school integration on Twitter

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Kamala Harris

@KamalaHarris

Two decades after Brown v. Board, I was only the second class to integrate at Berkeley public schools. Without that decision, I likely would not have become a lawyer and eventually be elected a Senator from California.  

That’s the power a Supreme Court Justice holds.

21.6K

7:02 PM - Jul 9, 2018

 
 
 
CB
6.1  CB   replied to  livefreeordie @6    4 months ago

I think it is ridiculous of you to try to judge her statements through the prism of whatever you life was or has been. What discrimination have you faced again? You have not been clear on your 'shortcomings' in my earshot.

She is clear on integration making her life better, and Berkeley, Ca better for that matter too! Because Berkeley can bring about changes in the overall culture of America - still it can't do it all by itself! That’s the power a Supreme Court Justice holds.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
6.2  author  JohnRussell  replied to  livefreeordie @6    4 months ago

[Deleted] please post a link to a story where Harris says her family was poor when she was a child.   [Deleted]

 
 
 
JohnRussell
6.3  author  JohnRussell  replied to  livefreeordie @6    4 months ago
just one year ago Harris was boasting in pride about being part of school integration on Twitter

Have you got a point in there somewhere? 

 
 
 
†hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh
7  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh    4 months ago

Kamala went after Joe because her prosecutorial record was more oppressive than Joe's desire to amend the constitution to stop busing.

She lied on the biggest African American morning show alleging to listen to Tupac and smoke weed in college. The host noted to his audience that Tupac wasn't making music yet but a child when she was in college.

She has very little support in the black community but effectively destroyed Segregation Joe.

She always was done but so is he.

Next up Mayor Pete who is polling even worse in the black community.

 
 
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