Trump Now Also Wants Tanks At His Over-The-Top 4th Of July Celebration
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Trump Now Also Wants Tanks At His Over-The-Top 4th Of July Celebration
President Donald Trump has been steadily bulking up the annual Fourth of July celebration on the Mall, inserting himself aggressively into the planning process and demanding military displays of strength, including a flyover by the Navy’s Blue Angels.
Now, he’s decided that he also wants tanks.
According to the Washington Post, the Pentagon is mulling whether or not to let Trump have the vehicles, some of which exceed 60 tons and could do damage to the streets.
Trump has also eschewed the usual practice of hiring an event producer, diving into much of the minutiae — like from where to launch the exorbitant fireworks display — himself.
He has been eager for such a display, punctuated with military imagery, ever since witnessing the Bastille Day celebration in France back in 2017.
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Maybe they can get him to climb in the drivers seat of one of them and point him in the direction of the Potomac River.
I am sure you remember this guy...
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Is that Don Jr. practicing for tomorrow?
No doubt!
Don Jr. isn't a loser Democrat.
No, he's just a straight up loser.
Well that is an improvement.
Don Jr. isn't smart enough to be a Democrat.
Like this guy..lol
That's obviously photoshopped by one of my loser friends
Sorry, I didn't know that he is your loser friend.
Yep...got lots of them. You don't have any loser friends? I feel bad for ya.
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Truth will eventually overcome Crap !
"The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is."
Winston Churchill
Not now though.....wouldn't be prudent at this time !
A very wise man Churchill was.
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So that makes driving around in a tank to show off acceptable?
He was for the time....But the few "Left" (the most important ones
)…. find fault with him based on the times now.
The few "Left" (the most important ones
) just have a hard time getting their heads around what went on "At the Time". They are constantly comparing the past with their limited thinking now....which is a bit ludicrous even now.... IMO !
It is way more acceptable than the tank dog and pony show Trump is doing.
Blue Angel flyover? Meh! Happens all the time.
M1A's cruising Washington DC?
Not a good idea
We don't really know what is going to happen, but if there is one word of praise for the Trump administration and president Trump coming from an official podium at the event it will be a disgrace. The 4th of July is a nonpartisan holiday, to say the least. I have watched the national 4th of July celebration on tv occasionally, shown before this year on PBS, and I have never seen anyone mention the current administration, let alone praise them. Trump plans to speak at the new celebration. What are the chances that he doesnt praise himself in that speech? Is there a figure less than zero?
I remember in the late 1950's the use of tracked vehicles, ( particularly Sherman tanks ) were banned in Philadelphia parades for ruining macadam surfaces
and damaging the trolley tracks. Sherman's only weigh 33 tons compared to the Abrams' 60 tons.
It would tear the shit our of some already questionable roads. Static display is one thing but rolling tanks through town is a non starter.
No doubt about it. Tank drivers would have a blast though .....
If you ever get the chance, (and maybe you have already), climb in a Sherman tank. Not a lot of room. I bet most tank crews had a "no chili" rule.
After being in a Sherman, a tour of the USS Pampanito was like being in a 5 star hotel.
If you watched the recent movie Fury you can appreciate the lack of space/comfort in a Sherman.
and the lower escape hatch...
Never got the chance to tour a sub, would like to though one of these days. Cool article BTW.
There is the U-505 WWII vintage German DE sub at the Museum of Science and Industry in Chicago. Well worth the time.
The movie Das Boot if you've not seen it is also a pretty accurate description of sub duty from the second world war.
I think we've got a couple of "bubble-heads" that are members of NT that could give you some additional submarine tour information far better than what I can.
wtf?
smh...
POS Orange conman the wanna be dictator
Flashback:
The Inauguration of JFK
JFK's inauguration came at a time of heightened cold war conflict between the US and Russia and was within 16 years of the end of WW2 when tanks rolling through streets was a common sight.
The U2 incident which was thought a potential match light to armed conflict was only 8 months prior to JFK's inauguration.
Trump's tanks are so he can feel like a latter day armchair Patton. That is all it is.
And the grand military parade that FDR had for his 3rd inauguration? We had no war then, cold or hot!
Are you serious? On Jan 20 , 1941 western Europe had been overrun by Hitler, and there were grave concerns about Japans expansion plans into Southeast Asia.
Oh, So that was FDR's purpose? Well then he failed miserably. Until the Japanese bomber Pearl Harbor, FDR couldn't convince the American people of the need to intervene in WWII. So, according to your reasoning, both JFK and FDR had valid reasons to stage military parades, but President Trump must have his motivations questioned?
I think this is another occasion when I'll leave it for the objective observer to decide.
Hmmm thats a tough one
. I'm going to say YES.
What a shock!
Well, are we on the doorstep of military conflict with a major world power today?
That would be no.
There is no purpose to a show of military force other than to amuse and aggrandize the idiot in the presidency.
I beg to disagree..North Korea & Iran are under the control of a mad man and a radical religious extremist.
Why compare a standard 4th of July event to anyone's inauguration?
Besides inaugurations are largely funded by the political parties and donations.
This isn't an inauguration and frankly neither JFK or FDR ever had more than 300 billion in national debt to worry about
while DJT is staring at 22 trillion ( and growing ).
I really don't get the comparisons either.
Because those were notable military parades. Why is everything always so technically different when a liberal does something in relation to Trump?
Besides inaugurations are largely funded by the political parties and donations.
Are you saying that contributions paid for FDR & JFK's military parades. Can you show us?
while DJT is staring at 22 trillion ( and growing ).
Maybe you would tell us how that debt was accumulated?
Good catch! They step right in it every time don't they?
What a fucking waste of taxpayer dollars. At an estimation of $92-million in cost.
Ya, It makes sense to attack it over the cost. We don't want to sound unpatriotic.
I care about lives my friend..... Money to train with, money to care for veterans with, money to take care of military families with.
This fucking "Trump-centric" extravaganza puts the military on parade, which is anything but patriotic. The people in uniform are not Trump's puppets.
Wave the flag, light off fireworks, send in marching bands by the hundreds, but don't make our military march in the same sort of spectacle that make us look like the other dictatorships of the world.
And when Defense spending was cut - you were against it, right?
extravaganza puts the military on parade, which is anything but patriotic.
Then why was it patriotic for JFK and Presidents before him?
same sort of spectacle that make us look like the other dictatorships of the world.
Exactly when did a military parade become synonymous with dictatorship?
And you in turn of course have a "We support the troops sticker" on your car, and support this waste of money....
Try living in the present Vic...... Or better yet, give me an explanation on how you feel about the military marches in North Korea and Russia when you see them.
I know you want to, but you just can't seem break from General Bone Spurs in a public forum now can you.
I do a little better than bumper stickers. I have three things I donate to. My #1 is The American Legion.
Try living in the present Vic...... Or better yet, give me an explanation on how you feel about the military marches in North Korea and Russia when you see them.
We really can't accept the present if we can't explain how we got here. I'll ask you again "Why was it ok for JFK to have a military parade and bad for President Trump?
I know you want to, but you just can't seem break from General Bone Spurs in a public forum now can you.
Let's resist the need for a personal attack. Try and make your point.
My point is that you know this use of the military is a waste of money, but can't bring yourself to admit that it's wrong which would put you for once in opposition to your savior.
And to your question of JFK vs Trump..... Try about 60 years of it not being done. Different times, and we don't have the money to spare.
Who knows if Vic actually believes in the worth of a military parade through American streets.
He believes in Trump, in an almost worshipful fashion. That is all this is.
You see me as always being on the side of the President, just as I see you as always being against whatever he does. Let's put that aside, the issue is if the President is entitled to holding a military parade on the 4th of July.
And to your question of JFK vs Trump..... Try about 60 years of it not being done. Different times, and we don't have the money to spare.
But you can't explain the how's & why's the times changed. I say that's important. Since you have left it to me to answer the question, I will. It started with the Vietnam War and the MSM shaping public opinion. No Fox News back then! The nation had an ideological view subtly imposed on it and a besieged LBJ refrained from any military parades in that turbulent time. His successors followed suit and not only don't we have military parades anymore, but you seldom see military personnel in uniform anywhere. That's all part of the legacy of Vietnam. Recently the New York Times published an opinion piece maintaining that America was never "great," just simply ok. So the beat goes on.
You started out by saying that the cost of the parade was your objection. Then you later compared a military parade to what dictators do. I think the later is your main point. I couldn't disagree more. We need more patriotism, not less. If we can throw money at failed states in Central America, we can appropriate more money for Defense and Ya, have a 4th of July parade!
This is chump change in comparison with all the cuts made to the military over the last 50 or so years. You really want to help fix that.
And while i agree that this money could be better spent, on for example rations that were actually packaged after the guys & gals who are eating them were born, these things have there time and place.
Parades honoring special dates, places and people are a time honored tradition in the US and one that i approve of wholeheartedly. Would i rather had C's younger than me in the field if diverting parade money would have made that happen. You bet but you and i both know that's not how it works. That money gets saved, it likely gets diverted somewhere else much more useless than fresh rations or a parade. Like flying some congressperson around the world in military aircraft.
Yeah, there are a lot worse uses for that money than on a feel good parade IMO. Many many of them.
I do believe he is doing a good job.
Guilty, as charged!
Doing a good job. At what?
Suckering the gullible
The people in uniform are not Trump's puppets.
He never got that memo. Maybe he will let Ivanka straddle one of the tanks. Jarrod would develop tank envy once he saw his wife finally have power and strength between her legs.
Good one Paula.
Who died and made you the author of the seed? Or better yet a moderator?
As your idea of patriotism is strongly linked to those that are or have worn the uniform, then how about we make veterans day a day off for them?
Let's be clear... these are my points:
The best thanks we can give to those in uniform today is to get them the money to train in peace so they don't bleed in war. Screw parading them around like some prized hog.
Exactly.
We all agree on that one, you and I and Donald Trump.
but we have money to waste on sending military equipment and personnel for a parade.
That's a legitimate argument. We waste a lot of money via the federal government. So we begin here?
Speak softly and carry a big stick sounds great to me. Everyone knows we're the baddest MFs on the planet. Why parade it around like the two-bit dictators in Russia, and NK do?
Here is the official WH statement on why the President wants the parade:
"President Trump is incredibly supportive of America's great service members who risk their lives every day to keep our country safe. He has asked the Department of Defense to explore a celebration at which all Americans can show their appreciation."
It's not to project power, unless you simply believe nothing he says is true.
The best thanks we can give to those in uniform today is to get them the money to train in peace so they don't bleed in war.
Agreed, but that is not a case of either or.
Based on what I see from liberals, I'd say after almost 3 years, they are still accepting!
What's patriotic about a tribute to the shitstain in chief?
He doesn't give a shit about the troops risking their lives every day! This goddamn parade is all about him and nobody else!
Jesus, Vic....I don't know how anybody can't see that!
You are the one comparing the 4th of July to Inauguration parades, no one else.
If DJT wins in 2020 and his Inauguration Committee raises another 100 million
then they can help pay for a parade.
What about an evil misogynist?
Can't answer it? I think there are a lot of objective observers here who can.
If you're saying trmp is an evil misogynist, then we actually agree on something for a change
Can't answer what?
You conflate appropriateness with being patriotic and confuse personal Inaugurations with a national holiday.
Trump had his opportunity in 2017. Now is not the time or place, at 100% taxpayer expense.
Oh, I see, it can't be compared to inauguration parades! I'm used to that tactic. Here if you demand it must be a non Inaugural comparison:
"Jumping back to the early days of the American presidency, it was once somewhat common for a president to review a military parade on the Fourth of July. According to a timeline established by American University librarian James Heintze, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, Martin Van Buren and James Polk all reviewed military parades on America's independence day. The tradition ended with Polk, though. His sucessor, Zachary Taylor, did not attend one. Instead his agenda for the day included making an appearance at a ceremony at the Washington Monument and infamously eating a "bowl of cherries and milk," which may have led to him falling ill and dying just days later."
Read more:
I only hope that when I return Friday, we won't be reading of some leftist group trying to attack the troops.
Have a good one!
I have my moments.
Yes I insist on the distinction, sorry. As I said, inaugurations are never 100% taxpayer funded, they are funded by donation to the political party and Inauguration Committee. Very distinct difference.
Maybe you can dig up the national debt for each POTUS you named and compare that to today's $22 trillion which is still growing.
We are off the charts in debt and don't need to piss away millions like this.
Have a safe 4th, Vic.
And now after seeing the ceremony, don't you feel foolish? I suppose admitting to that is asking a lot.
Maybe you can dig up the national debt for each POTUS you named and compare that to today's $22 trillion which is still growing.
You brought it up. It was your'e complaint, yet you could neither tell us how much the President's 4th of July ceremony would cost, not would you explain how much each of the past 3 Presidents contributed to that $22 Trillion debt, which you are suddenly concerned about.
We are off the charts in debt and don't need to piss away millions like this.
You are a little late and heavily suspect with such concerns.
Have a safe 4th, Vic.
Thanks, It was one of the best.
Saw that this morning, one of those 6113 likes is mine.
Trump Now Also Wants Tanks At His Over-The-Top 4th Of July Celebration
Rather than tanks, why not let him ride a pony down Pennsylvania Avenue wearing a plumed hat and toting a toy sword. The same thing sort of, much cheaper and the pony self supplies the horseshit.
Where were all the tanks, luther?
He's planning his own event??? I see disaster written all over this...
Why doesn't he just call in a former Apprentice contestant and have them do it?
ah-HA!
That's why Pence was recalled back to Washington the other day. He needed to get to the Party Store
It looks like your concern was misplaced. Do you feel foolish now?
Nope
I'm expecting this whole thing to be anti climax. I think Trump will pull back on the excess we all normally expect from him, and more importantly, it is supposed to rain in DC tomorrow.
My understanding is that the tanks will be parked at the Lincoln Memorial (which is bad enough in itself) and there isnt going to be an actual military parade, but more of a sort of presentation of various military representations.
But who knows, its Trump and it could also be worse than anyone expects.
Parking the tanks at the Memorial won't look very good. It will make America look like it's under siege or something.
Maybe there is a migrant caravan approaching the national capitol.
Yep, at which time fox news will scream that trump is trying to save money.....and his base will completely fall for it.
Lol, It look like he's done it again..............
Well done, Mr President!
Done what? Peed himself?
No, Kicked the shit out of another leftist lie!
I wonder if the Trump family business is going to make any money off this thing. Some good investigative journalists should look into it.
A bit off topic....but on my way to work this morning there was a firefighter on the radio talking about fireworks safety and he said the most dangerous firework was the sparkler.
thanks for the warning.
alert Trump while you're at it.
he may be thinking about playing with them tomorrow.
Awe..someday it won't hurt so much.
Whatever. I don't reply substantively to drivel.
Good advice. I was going to suggest the same thing. He might burn his tiny little pussy grabbers.
I'm pretty sure the gist of what Trump likely proclaimed when his dad left him over $400 million in cash and assets was "You're fired work!"... Never worked another day in his life because being a lying ignorant sexist asshole comes so naturally.
The TDS crowd manages to get Trump digs out of radio show about firework safety....and they still can't figure out why they lost to him.
I would prefer a more historic display celebrating the actual event - our declaration of independence and the origin of liberty in our nation. I am good with really cool fireworks, large screen historical images on the mall. The Blue Angels is cool but not as a show of military strength but rather the aerial entertainment. Fire off some cannons in a grand salute. Have a parade of historical figures. That kind of stuff.
It is costly, unnecessary and an ill-advised worldwide message to show off military might. We should be focused on liberty, etc. not on military might. IMO.
I totally agree. But I have to admit I would love to see a parade of our military's uniforms over the years. Start with the oldest, newest in the back.
Let me be clear. I in no way support trumps version of the 4th of July which is nothing more than trump stroking his own pathetic ego, on the tax payers dime. That being said, our military has defended our liberty and way of life since we became a nation, I think they should be included in a "National 4th of July Celebration". Without the military, we would have no liberty or freedom.
Just my opinion of course.
I agree, the military is indeed critical to our liberty and honoring its history makes perfect sense.
I was referring to a display of military might. I am all for recognizing and honoring the sacrifices of our historical military.
It would be interesting to see how uniforms have changed over the years with a display like a parade. I went thru 2 uniform changes. We went from OD Greens to BDUs but our service dress stayed the same
Fair enough, that comment was before I had any caffeine so I wasn't pay attention..
I think we only had one, and it was just a color change. Green to tan, for Desert Storm. As I recall, initially the Corps said that you could NOT wear the, "desert cammis" when stateside, but changed that shortly after. I didn't care either way, I flew from Hawaii to Camp Pendleton, took a day to check out and went on 45 days of terminal leave.
I was out by the time Desert Shield/Storm arrived but I remember the troops not being allowed to wear the tans stateside and then it all changed.
And they got those awesome desert boots that looked really comfortable. Were they more comfortable than the standard issue combat boots?
They were ok I guess, a little more comfortable. I bought a pair of Israeli desert boots...now those were some comfortable boots. The sole was soft rubber, perfect for sand. The hoops I had to jump through to even wear them, (Marine's are picky about shit like that). The weird thing is to this day, I cannot remember where I bought them.
What pisses me off is we all know he will just use this as another political rally. He cannot help but talk about himself. It is always only about him, the narcissist in chief.
Why all these planes needed..This is way over the top.
The celebration should be Independence...not domination. It should be freedom...not locking people in camps and showing might.
We are showing the world that we are becoming what we are supposed to be against.
Also,
So those that will have top access to this are republicans and wealthy GOP donors. I know that some will defend trump no matter what he does yet I have to ask...What would these same apologists say if it was Obama using tax payer money to give top Democrat donors priority?
Trump's best play is to just talk about the country without mentioning himself. It might help him look "presidential" in the eyes of the easily impressed.
The big suspense is can he control himself enough to do himself some good.
If he even mentions his administration it would be out of line for the day.
without mentioning himself .
He is incapable and unwilling to not make things about him. The world revolves around him and the rest of his grifter/con artists family after all.
It looks like you've been proved wrong!
I have been right more times than I have been wrong.