Nicki Minaj cancels Saudi Arabia concert after complaints from human rights groups

  
Via:  perrie-halpern  •  5 months ago  •  40 comments

 Nicki Minaj cancels Saudi Arabia concert after complaints from human rights groups
"There is no good reason for Minaj to do business with the Saudi dictatorship,” the Human Rights Foundation's president said.

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By   Janelle Griffith


Rapper Nicki Minaj said Tuesday she is pulling out of a concert in Saudi Arabia to show support for women’s rights, LGBTQ rights and freedom of expression.

“After careful reflection, I have decided to no longer move forward with my scheduled concert at Jeddah World Fest," Minaj said in a statement to NBC News. "While I want nothing more than to bring my show to fans in Saudi Arabia, after better educating myself on the issues, I believe it is important for me to make clear my support for the rights of women, the LGBTQ community and freedom of expression."

Minaj was due to headline the July 18 festival, billed as “one of the biggest music events ever staged in the Middle East.” The event will take place at the King Abdullah Sports Stadium in Jeddah, with other scheduled performers including former One Direction member Liam Payne and Steve Aoki.

The Human Rights Foundation in a letter last week   called on Minaj to cancel her performance . The advocacy group cited Saudi Arabia's imprisonment and execution of homosexuals, oppression of women and the   murder of journalist Jamal Khashoggi .

“There is no good reason for Minaj to do business with the Saudi dictatorship,” Thor Halvorssen, the president of the Human Rights Foundation, said in an   online statement .

"If she proceeds with the show, she will be whitewashing the vast array of human rights crimes" committed by Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, he added.

On Tuesday, the New York-based organization praised Minaj’s decision to not perform at the concert.

“We are grateful to Nicki Minaj for her inspiring and thoughtful decision to reject the Saudi regime’s transparent attempt at using her for a public relations stunt,” the foundation president said. “The July 18 festival in Saudi Arabia still shows Liam Payne as a performer. We hope that he follows Nicki Minaj’s lead.

"Minaj’s moral stance differs from celebrity performers like J-Lo and Mariah Carey who in the past have chosen to line their pockets with millions of dollars and stand with dictatorial governments as opposed to with oppressed communities and imprisoned human rights activists,” the statement said.

Organizers of Jeddah World Fest did not immediately return a request for comment.

A   post   on the event's Instagram page Tuesday afternoon said Minaj had canceled "due to personal reasons."


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Perrie Halpern R.A.
1  seeder  Perrie Halpern R.A.    5 months ago

It's nice to see someone putting their money where their mouth is, instead of just mouthing off. What do you think? Is Nicki right?

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
1.1  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @1    5 months ago

Absolutely - she would be more than welcome in Tel Aviv - in the only true Democracy in the Middle East, where women enjoy equality and LGBT are celebrated.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
1.2  1stwarrior  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @1    5 months ago

This is funny.  Nicki was blasted by the Saudi government for her risque dress and dancing and said she needed to clean up her act if she wanted to perform in their country.

What a way for show business to twist it to favor the "stars".

 
 
 
CB
1.2.1  CB   replied to  1stwarrior @1.2    5 months ago

First, prove your statement - link to the article where Saudi Government explicitly tells her to "clean up her act." (Though Nicki M., can be an R-rated theme.)

Second, even if so, it matters little :

Minaj was due to headline the July 18 festival , billed as “one of the biggest music events ever staged in the Middle East.” The event will take place at the King Abdullah Sports Stadium in Jeddah, with other scheduled performers including former One Direction member Liam Payne and Steve Aoki. The Human Rights Foundation in a letter last week  called on Minaj to cancel her performance . The advocacy group cited Saudi Arabia's imprisonment and execution of homosexuals, oppression of women and the  murder of journalist Jamal Khash oggi .

Clearly they knew Minaj's catalog of work before they invited her to headline however long ago. And, Nicki has every right to listen to her supporters in this country where she resides. (Why risk protests?)

Lastly, are you some conservative morality agent? If you are - how do you feel about Saudi Arabia's piss poor record on homosexuality, women, and murder of journalists?

 
 
 
1stwarrior
1.2.2  1stwarrior  replied to  CB @1.2.1    5 months ago

Nicki Minaj has reportedly pulled out of an upcoming festival performance after her booking met with a public backlash due to the festival’s controversial location, according to the Associated Press. She already canceled a number of shows during her recent European tour.

The response to Nicki’s performance came in large part from The Human Rights Foundation, which issued a statement imploring the rapper to consider the message her performance would send. Saudi Arabia enforces gender separation public schools and universities and private businesses both, but recently loosened laws to allow women to drive and attend sporting events.

Aside from technical difficulties and political statements, Nicki has also been known to pull out of shows over hurt feelings as well. She most recently refused to perform at events associated with the BET Awards after an unflattering Facebook post compared her to Cardi B, taking the opportunity to gloat over the show’s record low ratings after the fact.

 
 
 
lib50
2  lib50    5 months ago

I was glad to hear this,  at least Nicki has more conscience and sense than our own government.  Its been hard to watch the Saudis get a pass for everything, from 9/11 to Khashoggi, with no repercussions.  Every little bit of moral justice is a plus.

 
 
 
CB
3  CB     5 months ago
"Minaj’s moral stance differs from celebrity performers like J-Lo and Mariah Carey who in the past have chosen to line their pockets with millions of dollars and stand with dictatorial governments as opposed to with oppressed communities and imprisoned human rights activists,” the statement said.

So here is an example to the 'American' president! He chooses to stand with dictatorial government leaders and professes to 'bring home the bacon (or beef if you will),' and let other nations freedom and goodness -their records on oppression, and civil and human rights abuses be ignored. And yet some voters stand with our 'menace' president even though they are sharp enough to know that all money ain't good money! Moreover, mammon can cause a man or woman a soul!

Good on Nickie Minaj for risking it all in the Middle East - for she may never be invited back. She has taken that into account and stood on solid ground. But, heaven's no, this girl didn't go.

Nicki being as sophisticated as you are - Gurl, write a song and video about this experience turning now real-life 'monsters' of the world!

 
 
 
Kavika
4  Kavika     5 months ago

Kudos to Nicki

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
5  Vic Eldred    5 months ago

I must confess, Iv'e never heard of Nicki, but I don't consider her performing in Saudi Arabia to be an endorsement of what that government does. 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
6  Trout Giggles    5 months ago

You go, Nicki! Not of a fan of your music, but I just became a fan of you

 
 
 
CB
6.1  CB   replied to  Trout Giggles @6    5 months ago

Hi Trout! I love the Nicki Minaj sound. She is an exceptional artist for sure. I posted the Anaconda video below for BF, because he can take it. Honestly, I don't blush to often, but when I watched this video the first time I was a "basket case" by the end. Immediately, I showed it to some women to get perspective. It's raunchy and Nicki had enough 'balls' to perform in on TV at various award shows since. She barely scaled it down for 'American' television - but she did do it.

She is definitely adult themed in her rapping and music presentations. On the critic's side in me: She does make amazing creative musical sounds in her productions.

Note: My most favorite lines in Anaconda:

  1. "You can tell I ain't missing no meals." 
  2. "P . . . put his a . . .to sleep; now he callin' me Nyquil."

HA!

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
6.1.1  Trout Giggles  replied to  CB @6.1    5 months ago

I don't think I've ever listened to any of her music, but I don't listen to modern pop these days. I probably should listen to her before saying "I'm not a fan of her music"

 
 
 
Dean Moriarty
7  Dean Moriarty    5 months ago

I don't remember people getting upset when the Rolling Stones preformed in communist Cuba. 

 
 
 
CB
7.1  CB   replied to  Dean Moriarty @7    5 months ago

Hi Dean. First, the Rolling Stones. Second, in Cuba - not Middle East.  Second. Nickie Minaj's 'breaking news' is she is NOT performing. (Smile.)

 
 
 
†hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh
8  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh    5 months ago

I love how Saudi Arabia forces all the women to live like it's 400 BC and then brings in a Rap Artist who wears dental floss during live shows to cover herself. Usually these artists are brought in to perform for the Prince and his buddies.

What's good for the man in Saudi Arabia is no business of the woman......

 
 
 
CB
8.1  CB   replied to  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh @8    5 months ago

Special Viewing Session: (For the baddest fish of them all!)

No One Else Allowed!!! Especially Not Children or the "Child-like"!

 
 
 
livefreeordie
8.1.1  livefreeordie  replied to  CB @8.1    5 months ago

Why would you be a fan of such an immoral person. I guess it goes with your love of liberation theology in which all morals are obsolete

 
 
 
Tessylo
8.1.2  Tessylo  replied to  livefreeordie @8.1.1    5 months ago

Why are you a fan of a 'president' who has absolutely no morals, ethics, values and a complete piece of scum?

 
 
 
livefreeordie
8.1.3  livefreeordie  replied to  Tessylo @8.1.2    5 months ago

I’m not a fan of his personal life. But his policies have been the best of any president since Coolidge 

he has been since president a better person than any Democrat in Congress or those running for president

 
 
 
Tessylo
8.1.4  Tessylo  replied to  livefreeordie @8.1.3    5 months ago

So you're a fan of one of the most corrupt pieces of scum in the world.  And his equally corrupt cabinet.  And the equally corrupt majority of the gop congress.

 
 
 
lib50
8.1.5  lib50  replied to  Tessylo @8.1.4    5 months ago

Ahh, those 'great' policies!  Treating immigrants with hatred and inhumanity.  Trashing the earth by trashing environmental regulations (because......money).  Taking away healthcare from millions with nary a thought, nary a replacement.  Blowing up the deficit so the top can pay nothing.  Treating the worst dictators like bosom buddies and treating our allies like crap.  Not caring enough about being president to stay informed.   Making every single thing about HIM.  Not caring about immorality, amorality or character as long as........they get all the above mentioned policies. 

Yes, those are the values of our evangelical friends who want to force their values on all of us.  

 
 
 
CB
8.1.6  CB   replied to  livefreeordie @8.1.1    5 months ago

Actually, I am not a fan of Nicki Minaj. That is, I dip in and out of the arts! Why? Because I am a mature Christian. A mature Christian who can see what is happening in the world and not (necessarily) partake of it. I guard my liberality , even as Paul guarded his when going about.

I can let other people live 'their truth' in this nation and in the world in peace .  Maybe, by doing so, some will come to understand my use of liberty . Paul taught in the 'hoots and hollows' of his time. Jesus set at dinner and allowed a 'woman of sin' to anoint him with perfumed oil. Her name: Mary.

Luke 7:

36 When one of the Pharisees invited Jesus to have dinner with him, he went to the Pharisee’s house and reclined at the table. 37  A woman in that town who lived a sinful life learned that Jesus was eating at the Pharisee’s house, so she came there with an alabaster jar of perfume. 38 As she stood behind him at his feet weeping, she began to wet his feet with her tears. Then she wiped them with her hair, kissed them and poured perfume on them.

39 When the Pharisee who had invited him saw this, he said to himself, “If this man were a prophet, he would know who is touching him and what kind of woman she is—that she is a sinner.”

How could Jesus do this?! Because Jesus was not afraid of, . . .wait for it. . . life, or people with their issues in life. 

Btw, I was shaken enough when I watched this video. Jesus was not 'shaken' by Mary - no not at all! And, Jesus knew EVERYTHING about her and her street life.

 
 
 
CB
8.1.7  CB   replied to  livefreeordie @8.1.3    5 months ago

And so there is the pretense of comparison.

That explains and justifies your approval of Trump and your desire to keep him in office for four more years? The man is a maniacal liar, a cheat, a provocateur, a deceiver, obstructionist, and he pals around with terrorists. And you expect that you can make a good leader out of all that for four more years?!

he has been since president a better person than any Democrat in Congress or those running for president

Besides your hyperbole against democrats is notably ridiculous. Trump - a maniacal liar, a cheat, a provocateur, a deceiver, obstructionist, who pals around with terrorist world leaders and receives council of people who interfere in our election liberty is a better person than any democrat?

Somebody is delusional!

 
 
 
livefreeordie
8.1.8  livefreeordie  replied to  CB @8.1.6    5 months ago

Where have I said I was “shaken” by this woman or any other immoral person. 

We are commanded by Jesus to call all people to repent and turn from their sins.  

We are also commanded to turn from worldliness

That is the way we should live, because  God’s grace that can save everyone has ·come [appeared; been revealed]. It ·teaches [trains; disciplines] us to ·turn away from [reject; deny] ungodly living and ·the evil things the world wants to do [or worldly desires; sinful pleasures]. Instead, that grace teaches us to live in the present age in a ·wise [self-controlled] and ·right [upright; just] way and in a ·way that shows we serve God [godly manner] . We should live like that while we wait for our ·great [happy; blessed] hope and the ·coming of the glory [glorious appearing/manifestation] of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ. He gave himself for us so he might ·pay the price to free [redeem; ransom] us from all ·evil [wickedness; lawlessness] and to make us pure people who belong only to him—people who are always ·wanting [eager; zealous] to do good deeds. Say these things and ·encourage [exhort] the people and ·tell them what is wrong in their lives [rebuke/admonish them], with all authority. Do not let anyone ·treat you as if you were unimportant [look down on/despise/disregard you]”

Titus 2:11-15 EXB

 
 
 
CB
8.1.9  CB   replied to  livefreeordie @8.1.8    5 months ago

Read it again: " Btw, I was shaken enough when I watched this video." The video disturbed me— CB . Indeed it still does when I watch it and/or share it with others. I do share it to make a point. And, I am glad you looked on it—even if only shortly. (It gets really raunchy near the end.) I don't know whether to laugh, cry, angry, or 'scandalized.' 

I have three choices: A. Understand Minaj's worldview. B. Reject Minaj's worldview. C. Accept Minaj's worldview. 

I chose: A.

We are also commanded to turn from worldliness:

How is that working out for you, Mr. Future Insurrectionist? I have news for you: You really have not turned from worldliness if you have stored up stockpiles of WMDs ( armaments enough to supply a small country ) and made future plans to use 'em on people who are "in the world."

 Nicki Minaj has not shown any commitment to Christian or church service. She is "in the world."  'The world' is filled with this curious creature called: di·ver·si·ty .

Ti tus 2:11-15 11 For the grace of God has appeared that offers salvation to all people. 12 It teaches us to say "No" to ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright and godly lives in this present age, 13 while we wait for the blessed hope-the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ, 14 who gave himself for us to redeem us from all wickedness and to purify for himself a people that are his very own, eager to do what is good. 15 These, then, are the things you should teach.

Can you go back and ask:  "Titus, While I am waiting on the 'blessed hope' is it Christ-like for me to stockpile armaments (WMDs) and teach others to do so just in case we need to leave peace behind?

I would love to hear how he would straighten you out!

 
 
 
livefreeordie
8.1.10  livefreeordie  replied to  CB @8.1.9    5 months ago

I never watched her video nor have I ever heard her sing

i have never called for an insurrection. Those are your words. I’ve called for DEFENSE of our liberties when attacked by tyrannical Government which has happened far too often in the past 100 years and if Democrats regain power will grow worse.

and was noted by our founders as a fundamental right of free citizens 

I have no WMD much less “stockpiles”., not have I ever called for others to do so. But I do follow the commands of Jesus

" And He said to them, “When I sent you without money bag, knapsack, and sandals, did you lack anything?”

So they said, “Nothing.”

Then He said to them, “But now, he who has a money bag, let him take it,and likewise a knapsack; and he who has no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one. ". Luke 22:35-36

It is the unGodly that we are commanded to call to repent

 
 
 
CB
8.1.11  CB   replied to  livefreeordie @8.1.10    5 months ago
Then He said to them, “But now, he who has a money bag, let him take it,and likewise a knapsack; and he who has no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one. ". Luke 22:35-36

So the God of peace instructed men to buy a sword and do what with it? Kill? Where did Jesus kill anybody? Where did the Apostles kill anyone? Where did Paul, Barnabas, or Silas kill anyone? Where did John threaten to kill anyone? Indeed, these men never lifted a finger in defense of themselves, at-known tell anyone else to disobey the authorities of this world.

You have made it up. You have deluded yourself. You knitted your spirituality (faith) and constitution (state) 'together.' A mistake. You were wrong to do it; thus you are wrong to tell others to do it.

Tell the truth. One man's DEFENSE is another man's OFFENSE. Using the Rule of Law to direct the flow of government is a legitimate use. You have (wrongly) accused others of taking away your freedom, whereupon you have publicly stated that should something you consider worse come to this nation you and millions like you are ready with armaments to wage war. You were seconded by user: Magic Eight Ball. Oh it's true. It's true.

You never watched a Minaj video? How are you passing out judgement of her?

 
 
 
CB
8.1.12  CB   replied to  livefreeordie @8.1.10    5 months ago
I’ve called for DEFENSE of our liberties when attacked by tyrannical Government which has happened far too often in the past 100 years and if Democrats regain power will grow worse.
  1. One man's defense is another man's offense.
  2. One man's liberty is another man's slavery.
  3. One man's property is another man's dignity.
  4. One man's bible is another man's excuse.
 
 
 
livefreeordie
8.1.13  livefreeordie  replied to  CB @8.1.11    5 months ago

You are one very confused person.  Do you understand the difference between self defense and offensive actions of violence?

Jesus clearly taught we are to be equipped to defend ourselves which is no different from what I advocate.  But you twist it to your bigotry to claim that means I advocate initiating violence against others.

John 18:36 acknowledges the right of the sword to earthly kingdoms
In this passage, Jesus says: "My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, then My servants would be fighting, that I might not be delivered up to the Jews; but as it is, My kingdom is not of this realm." When Jesus says that if his kingdom were of this world his servants would be fighting, he implies that it is right for kingdoms of this world to fight when the cause is just and circumstances require it. As Christians, we are citizens of "two kingdoms"--our country on earth, and heaven. Jesus shows us that it is never right to fight for the sake of his spiritual kingdom, but that it is right to fight on behalf of earthly kingdoms (when necessary to counter evil and destruction).

I have not knit my spirituality and my rights as a citizen together. This seems to be beyond your comprehension.  the principles of liberty have their foundation in God. But we have a unique Constitution established to prevent the government's abuse of our rights as free people. Those principles are timeless, contrary to the leftist view that they must be subjugated to the good of the State.   this government since FDR has trampled on that liberty and the Democrats of today want to complete that trampling so that our enslavement to the state is complete.

When government controls everything we do, what we buy, ingest, drive, our work conditions, how and where we can fish, hunt, or require licenses to engage in our chosen fields of work, we are slaves of the state, not free persons.

you may like being a slave to the state, but many of us prefer liberty

I don't have to watch, I can read what others have said, and what she has said and done.

 
 
 
lib50
8.1.14  lib50  replied to  livefreeordie @8.1.13    5 months ago

I can't read bullshit like this from someone who feels entitled to control women's fertility.  Liberty my ass, you want liberty for you and your beliefs, everyone else can go to hell.   You accept amoral behavior to further political agenda, not gods agenda.   You accept lies and sins for politics, not god.  Stop.

 
 
 
CB
8.1.15  CB   replied to  livefreeordie @8.1.13    5 months ago
When Jesus says that if his kingdom were of this world his servants would be fighting, he implies that it is right for kingdoms of this world to fight when the cause is just and circumstances require it.

Jesus implies no such thing! You can not take upon yourself and your millions the standard reserved for Jesus (and spirit beings). The example of the apostles - including Paul et al is they did not travel about waging 'campaigns' again Romans and the gentile nations. They went out in the Spirit.  Even when they were treated harshly and beat down they did not resort to threatenings and political strategies in attempts to trap unbelievers into becoming believers.

Indeed, when Stephen was seized and brought before the Sanhedrin how many corpses did the Jews charge him with at his trial? None! Because Stephen (Acts 7) killed no one! He cut no one down. His crime was that of being a "man full of God’s grace and power, performed great wonders and signs among the people. (Acts 6.) Moreover, when Stephen was stoned to death - he highly regarded his killers (under the law) with these words:

Acts 7: 59 While they were stoning him, Stephen prayed, “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.” 60 Then he fell on his knees and cried out, “Lord, do not hold this sin against them.” When he had said this, he fell asleep.

There were no Christian brothers and sisters moved to avenge Stephen with swords and strategic plans recorded in the text.

Indeed Acts 8 testifies the church was persecuted, the apostles scattered, and members of "The Way" dragged out of houses and put in prison. No mention whatsoever of them turning to face their Jewish brothers in battle of any kind political or physical.

Acts 8: 4 Those who had been scattered preached the word wherever they went.

The scattered did this: They preached. They preached. They preached.

 
 
 
CB
9  CB     5 months ago

Here is Nicki Minaj on the Today Show stage: (The video is not as clean as I would like it, but the sound quality is 'vicious.' See Savannah Guthrie and Al Roker getting down on the sidelines!)

Nicki has street 'cred.'

 
 
 
livefreeordie
9.1  livefreeordie  replied to  CB @9    5 months ago

Nicki has street 'cred.'

liberal slang for she’s rude, crude, and has no respect for Christian values

 
 
 
CB
9.1.1  CB   replied to  livefreeordie @9.1    5 months ago

Well, can we count on Christians to make an 'app' for that? How about you? Can we, Christians, count on you?

How are your armaments (aka: WMD's)  holding up today? Keeping your 'powder' dry?

I don't think I have ever heard or read Nicki Minaj issue a prepared statement about her and her "millions" being ready for an insurrection of her own creation. So there is that to her cred. How about you? Have you ever issued such a statement, 'man of God'?

 
 
 
lib50
9.1.2  lib50  replied to  livefreeordie @9.1    5 months ago

Oh, so that's why you like Trump's 'street cred'?  WTF?

 
 
 
livefreeordie
9.1.3  livefreeordie  replied to  CB @9.1.1    5 months ago

Being ready to defend our liberties against tyranny is the act of a citizen.it is unrelated to my faith as a Christian.

But I take my advice from the wisdom of our founders and those who influenced them

“[The purpose of a written constitution is] to bind up the several branches of government by certain laws, which, when they transgress, their acts shall become nullities; to render unnecessary an appeal to the people, or in other words a rebellion, on every infraction of their rights, on the peril that their acquiescence shall be construed into an intention to surrender those rights” ~ Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia Q.XIII, 1782. The Writings of Thomas Jefferson, (Memorial Edition) Lipscomb and Bergh, editors, ME 2:178 

"Whenever the legislators endeavor to take away and destroy the property of the people, or to reduce them to slavery under arbitrary power, they put themselves into a state of war with the people, who are thereupon absolved from any further obedience." -- John Locke, 1690

Alexander Hamilton Federalist 28

If the representatives of the people betray their constituents, there is then no recourse left but in the exertion of that original right of self-defense which is paramount to all positive forms of government, and which against the usurpations of the national rulers may be exerted with infinitely better prospect of success than against those of the rulers of an individual State. In a single State, if the persons entrusted with supreme power become usurpers, the different parcels, subdivisions, or districts of which it consists, having no distinct government in each, can take no regular measures for defense. The citizens must rush tumultuously to arms, without concert, without system, without resource; except in their courage and despair."

Finally, let the words of Edward Abbey ring true to this day

"Let us hope our weapons are never needed --but do not forget what the common people knew when they demanded the Bill of Rights: An armed citizenry is the first defense, the best defense, and the final defense against tyranny. If guns are outlawed, only the government will have guns. Only the police, the secret police, the military, the hired servants of our rulers. Only the government -- and a few outlaws. I intend to be among the outlaws." 

-- Edward Abbey father of environmental movement in"Abbey's Road", 1979

 
 
 
livefreeordie
9.1.4  livefreeordie  replied to  lib50 @9.1.2    5 months ago

I don’t like or admire ANYONE’s “street cred”

 
 
 
CB
9.1.5  CB   replied to  livefreeordie @9.1.3    5 months ago

Why are quoting what slave holders have to say about liberty to me?  They were hypocrites. Pretenders.

As for Mr. Edward Abbey, surely he was not referring to stirring up an insurrection against the rule of law! Such an activity is unconstitutional on its face! Moreover, the civil war between the states from 1861 - 1865 was not about liberty either. Thus, it was a southern-state insurrection!!

You should really stop exploiting dead slave holders and other writers for your own advantage.

 
 
 
livefreeordie
9.1.6  livefreeordie  replied to  CB @9.1.5    5 months ago

Of those I quoted, only Jefferson was a slaveholder. Even with that sin, he was one of the greatest Americans in our history

one that I quoted was the father of the modern green movement 

again I request that you stop lying about me.

I have NEVER called for an insurrection against the government. Defending your life and liberty from an attack by government is not an act of insurrection. Neither is the call to either dissolve the union or to secede.defense against tyranny is the right of ALL free people.  

 
 
 
CB
9.1.7  CB   replied to  livefreeordie @9.1.6    5 months ago

Alexander Hamilton was 'conflicted' over slavery. Still, Hamilton was no friend of slaves. Moreover, he deliberately married into a slave holding family. Guilty of association and inaction to end slavery.

Even my foot! You can't clean up Jefferson, a big hypocrite slaver, so easily. Would that a slave could have put him to work on the plantation! Then, he would have known the meaning of wanting liberty he denied others. Thomas Jefferson was a fraud! Even his NT bible cries out fraud!

I don't have to tell untruth about you. I can produce your own words. You are not of a defender of your freedom because no one here or anywhere else in the country is seeking to take your individual freedoms away. It is a delusion you harbor against people (outcasts really) whom you do not like, wish ill-will, and worse should they get in your way!

Therefore, it is you that expressed a desire and listed offensive actions you and your millions have prepared to disallow the function of this nation's Rule of Law in due course.

Don't try to spin your way out of it.

 
 
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