2 Proud Boys going on trial over 2018 clash in New York

  
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2 Proud Boys going on trial over 2018 clash in New York

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2 Proud Boys going on trial over 2018 clash in New York



image001-png_162613.png.cf.jpg   Associated Press   45 minutes ago  






NEW YORK (AP) — Two members of the far-right Proud Boys group are going on trial this week for their roles in a violent clash with left-wing protesters in New York.

But no victims will testify at the trial over the October 2018   brawl   outside the Metropolitan Republican Club. That's because the victims are not cooperating with police.

The New York Times   reports   that the Manhattan district attorney's office is expected to rely on video from multiple sources in prosecuting Proud Boys members Maxwell Hare and John Kinsman.

"The primary evidence before the grand jury — and the only evidence of how the physical altercation began — was video evidence," a prosecutor, Joshua Steinglass, wrote in a court filing.

The Proud Boys and members of the loosely organized anti-fascist group that calls itself antifa battled after a speech by Proud Boys founder Gavin McInnes.

The Times says security camera   footage   it obtained shows that the Proud Boys started the fight.

Ten members and associates of the Proud Boys were arrested in the days following the clash. Two of them, Hare and Kinsman, are going on trial in Manhattan this week on charges of riot and attempted assault. Prosecutors are not charging the defendants with assault because the charge requires evidence of injury.

Lawyers for Hare and Kinsman have indicated they may argue that their clients believed they needed to resort to force.

"Antifa's only missing accessory was war paint," the lawyers wrote in one filing. "They gathered and lay in wait in the Upper East Side to aggressively attack the Proud Boys exiting the club."

The Southern Poverty Law Center, a liberal advocacy organization, has designated the all-male Proud Boys as a hate group. McInnes, a Vice Media co-founder, quit the Proud Boys a month after the clash that followed his speech.



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Tessylo
1  seeder  Tessylo    4 months ago

The Times says security camera   footage   it obtained shows that the Proud Boys started the fight.

 
 
 
JBB
1.1  JBB  replied to  Tessylo @1    4 months ago

Oh come on now! They were all just innocent little white lambs who innocently drove thousands and thousands of miles cumulatively across the country just to merely carry some cheap tiki torches while shouting a few Nazi slogans and then maybe runover a few anti-fascist counter-demonstrators. It was all meant to be a fun getaway... FOR NAZIS! Nobody could have ever forseen any problems /s...

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
1.2  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Tessylo @1    4 months ago

Extremism in any form by any group in any way is wrong whether it be Proud Boys, Antifa , or anyone  else.If tried and found guilty, I hope they recieve the maximum allowable sentence.

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.2.1  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @1.2    4 months ago

Why the hell did you bring up anti-fa when it was the Scum Boys who started the fight?

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
1.2.2  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Tessylo @1.2.1    4 months ago

Simply because they are both extremist groups and the article above mentioned Antifa as well. I was not attempting to argue. It appears the Proud Boys were in fact the instigators in that incident. In this particular case we actually are in agreement.

 
 
 
Sunshine
1.2.3  Sunshine  replied to  Tessylo @1.2.1    4 months ago
Why the hell did you bring up anti-fa when it was the Scum Boys who started the fight?

No, the Antifa Boys started it and then got their asses whipped.

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.2.4  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Sunshine @1.2.3    4 months ago

The camera doesn't lie.  The proud little scum ARE GUILTY

 
 
 
JBB
1.2.5  JBB  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @1.2.2    4 months ago

False Equivalencies ARE FALSE! Who did ANTIFA kill? NOBODY! White Supremacists and White Nationalists and other assorted homegrown rightwing domestic terrorists were responsible for 97% of all mass atrocities in the US in 2018 according to Donald J Trump's very own FBI...

 
 
 
Sunshine
1.2.6  Sunshine  replied to  Tessylo @1.2.4    4 months ago

Your article is wrong..

The Times says security camera footage it obtained shows that the Proud Boys started the fight

The proud little scum ARE GUILTY

We will see...

Lawyers for Hare and Kinsman have indicated they may argue that their clients believed they needed to resort to force.
"Antifa's only missing accessory was war paint," the lawyers wrote in one filing. "They gathered and lay in wait in the Upper East Side to aggressively attack the Proud Boys exiting the club."

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
1.2.7  Sean Treacy  replied to  JBB @1.2.5    4 months ago

Stop the false equivalenices, who have the proud boys killed?

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
1.2.8  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  JBB @1.2.5    4 months ago

I never mentioned anything about atrocities committed by either side. You did! So any false equivalencies are on you not me. Nice try, but no cigar today...

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.2.9  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Sunshine @1.2.6    4 months ago

Of course the scumbag's lawyers will make that argument.  

My article is correct.  

YOU ARE INCORRECT 

 
 
 
JBB
1.2.10  JBB  replied to  Sean Treacy @1.2.7    4 months ago

WRONGO! The Proud Boys espouse the exact same far rightwing ideology which is mainly responsible for all of the far rightwing domestic terrorism America is currently suffering and is the cesspool of ideologies from which all our despicable homegrown domestic terrorists crawl to perpetuate their endless mass atrocities upon Americans.

There is NO EQUAL THREAT FROM THE FAR LEFT IN THE USA TODAY!

97% of all mass atrocities suffered by Americans in 2018 were attributable to homegrown far right wing domestic terrorism according to Donald J Trump's very own FBI and Justice Department! 

 
 
 
Sunshine
1.2.11  Sunshine  replied to  Tessylo @1.2.9    4 months ago
YOU ARE INCORRECT 

In your dreams.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
1.2.12  Sean Treacy  replied to  JBB @1.2.10    4 months ago

So we agree the Proud Boys haven't killed anyone.  Stop being a hypocrite and apply the same standards you do to Antifa. 

Please link to that report.  Fair warning, no such report making those claims exists. Get ready to start backtracking. 

 
 
 
JBB
2  JBB    4 months ago

It is no wonder the righties are so desperately trying to shift the blame for the explosion of hate crimes, horrendous shootings and mass atrocities Americans are currently suffering onto a virtually nonexistant threat posed by the made up, mostly imagaginary, virtually invisible phantom menace and manufactured bugaboo known as ANTIFA!

97% of the horrendous mass killings suffered by Americans last year were at the bloody hands of Homegrown Right Wing Domestic Terrorists!

0% were committed by Anti-Fascists!

White Supremacists, Neo Nazis, Skin Heads and RW Fascists pose the real threat.

 
 
 
MrFrost
2.1  MrFrost  replied to  JBB @2    4 months ago

White Supremacists, Neo Nazis, Skin Heads and RW Fascists pose the real threat.

True. 

 
 
 
JBB
2.1.1  JBB  replied to  MrFrost @2.1    4 months ago

Indubidubly...

 
 
 
Dean Moriarty
3  Dean Moriarty    4 months ago

“Antifa’s only missing accessory was war paint,” the lawyers wrote in one filing. “They gathered and lay in wait in the Upper East Side to aggressively attack the Proud Boys exiting the club.”  Very interesting. 

 
 
 
JBB
3.1  JBB  replied to  Dean Moriarty @3    4 months ago

That is what the Nazi's lawyers would say. Criminal lawyers defend criminals...

 
 
 
Dean Moriarty
3.1.1  Dean Moriarty  replied to  JBB @3.1    4 months ago

Did you see how Antifa vandalized the club the night before? 

 
 
 
JBB
3.1.2  JBB  replied to  Dean Moriarty @3.1.1    4 months ago

No, but I did see Proud Boys picking fights and shouting Nazi slogans...

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
3.2  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Dean Moriarty @3    4 months ago
gathered and lay in wait in the Upper East Side to aggressively attack the Proud Boys exiting the club

"security camera footage it obtained shows that the Proud Boys started the fight."

Damn those security cameras! If only that didn't exist those lawyers might have gotten away with their lies.

 
 
 
JBB
3.2.1  JBB  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @3.2    4 months ago

I see that a disgruntled rightwinger shot up that Garlic Festival in California...

Trump's justice department says we're under siege by rightwing hate groups!

Thus the frantic efforts to destroy those tasked with monitoring hate groups.

 
 
 
Tessylo
3.2.2  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  JBB @3.2.1    4 months ago

The scum shot a 6 year old little boy, a 13 year old girl trying g to help her disabled grandma get out of harm's way and a 25 year old young man.  Coward scum piece of shit

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
3.2.3  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Tessylo @3.2.2    4 months ago

"Legan posted on his now-removed Instagram account the remark: “Ayyy garlic festival time. Come get wasted on overpriced shit.” He then posted a caption exhorting his readers to read the book Might Is Right , by Ragnar Redbeard , which is a white-supremacist manifesto . According to the Daily Beast, “ the book , published in 1890, glorifies ‘Aryan’ men , condemns inter-marriage between races and defends violence based on bogus eugenicist tropes.” Legan’s last post before he opened fire railed the industrialization of nearby towns , which Legan labeled as being “overcrowd[ed ]” with “hoards of mestizos and Silicon Valley white twats .”

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/07/what-we-know-about-the-gilroy-garlic-festival-shooting.html

Sounds just like one of these "Proud Boys" hating minorities and liberals with the same bitter animus. Yet many here seem to want us to be more afraid of Antifa than right wing extremists.

 
 
 
JBB
3.2.4  JBB  replied to  Tessylo @3.2.2    4 months ago

Nazis are notorious for massacaring women, old people and children...

It is pretty much a Nazi's Mission Statement. Exterminate The Impure!

Have you noticed how many of them have a Russian or Slavic name?

 
 
 
livefreeordie
3.2.5  livefreeordie  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @3.2.3    4 months ago

256

He’s a sick young man who hates whites, Hispanics and Jews

256 U

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
3.2.6  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  livefreeordie @3.2.5    4 months ago
He’s a sick young man who hates whites, Hispanics and Jews

Apparently not all whites.

"exhorting his readers to read the book Might Is Right, by Ragnar Redbeard, which is a white-supremacist manifesto. According to the Daily Beast, “the book, published in 1890, glorifies ‘Aryan’ men"

He seemed to only hate the liberal "Silicon Valley" whites who he likely believed, as many other white supremacists like the Proud Boys do, that liberal and progressive whites are "minority lovers" or other racist epitaphs, which is true, we do love minorities and consider them no different than ourselves, but that's what angers these incel Aryan supremacists.

 
 
 
Tessylo
3.3  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Dean Moriarty @3    4 months ago

Amazing the lengths you go to to defend white supremacists/neo-nazis, reich wing extremists domestic terrorists.  Of course their lawyer lied for his scum clients.  He's a lawyer.   Proud boys my ass.  Scumbags

 
 
 
JBB
3.3.1  JBB  replied to  Tessylo @3.3    4 months ago

I have a friend whose messed up son got sucked into The Proud Boys by some Ex Marine buddies after they got back from Afghanistan. He was a young family man with a bright future BEFORE The Proud Boys RUINED HIS LIFE! After being ID'd online at a Neo Nazi Rally he lost his wife, his kids, his dog, his job and even The US Marines who officially disowned him, too... 

I read the stuff he posted online. Virulent stuff that advocated Race Wars...

You, sadly, wouldn't be shocked. You've seen it before. FULL HATE JACKET!

 
 
 
Tessylo
3.3.2  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  JBB @3.3.1    4 months ago

But they're innocent victims of anti-fa don't you know?

 
 
 
JBB
3.3.3  JBB  replied to  Tessylo @3.3.2    4 months ago

No, i don't know. The Proud Boys are a bunch of entitled whiteass punks!

 
 
 
Tessylo
3.3.4  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  JBB @3.3.1    4 months ago

It's mind boggling how hate can ruin a life.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
3.3.5  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  JBB @3.3.3    4 months ago

I forgot the sarcasm tag.  

 
 
 
JBB
3.3.6  JBB  replied to  Tessylo @3.3.4    4 months ago

The vortex of hate is irresistible to simple minded fools wanting to belong.

 
 
 
JBB
3.3.7  JBB  replied to  Tessylo @3.3.5    4 months ago

I got that. It is hard not to be sarcastic about a bunch of American Nazis!

 
 
 
Tessylo
3.4  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Dean Moriarty @3    4 months ago

Not interesting at all

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
4  Paula Bartholomew    4 months ago

Give me pair of Burdizios and the Proud Boys would become the Proud Cut Boys.

 
 
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