Trump sends hostage affairs envoy to monitor A$AP Rocky’s Sweden trial in ‘shameful abuse of office’

  
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Trump sends hostage affairs envoy to monitor A$AP Rocky’s Sweden trial in ‘shameful abuse of office’

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Trump sends hostage affairs envoy to monitor A$AP Rocky’s Sweden trial in ‘shameful abuse of office’



102b4830-25c0-11e7-a66a-23957430fe89_lat   Zamira Rahim, The Independent   2 hours 18 minutes ago  






Donald Trump   has been condemned for sending the   US   special presidential envoy for hostage affairs to   Sweden   for   A$AP Rocky ‘s trial.

The   Harlem   rapper, whose real name is Rakim Mayers, is accused of beating a 19-year-old man in   Stockholm   on 30 June.

Mr Mayers is accused of assault, alongside two others and the street-fight has become a point of contention in US-Swedish diplomacy.

On Tuesday the 30-year-old pleaded not guilty to the charge as his trial opened. He claimed to have acted in self-defense.

Robert O’Brien, the special envoy, has been sent to Stockholm by Mr Trump to monitor court proceedings and to show support for the rapper, according to Swedish news agency   TT.

It is unclear why Mr O’Brien, whose job is to advise the government on hostage issues, was selected for the trip.

Dan Baer, a former US ambassador to the Organisation for Security & Cooperation in Europe, called the move a “shameful abuse of a serious office.”

“Imagine how seriously O’Brien will be taken by other actors now that he has made a mockery of himself by allowing his office to be instrumentalized thus,” he said on   Twitter .

“Trump’s clown like behaviour makes us weaker.”

The president had demanded that   Sweden   release the rapper in a series of tweets published earlier this month.

“Sweden has let our   African American   community down in the   United States . I watched the tapes of A$AP Rocky, and he was being followed and harassed by troublemakers,” he said.

“Treat Americans fairly!”

The president also called on the Swedish government to “give A$AP Rocky his freedom”.

Mr Trump spoke to Stefan Lofven, the Swedish prime minister and offered to personally guarantee the rapper’s bail but was told Mr Lofven could not intervene in a legal case.

A senior Trump administration official, speaking on the condition of anonymity, said the special envoy’s presence at the trial was part of an effort to convey the president’s concern.

Mr O’Brien is also in Stockholm support the US citizens involved “and, to, hopefully, bring them home”, the official added.

During the trial prosecutors said 19-year-old Mustafa Jafari and a friend got into an argument with Mr Mayers and one of his bodyguards near a fast-food restaurant where the rapper’s entourage had eaten.

They allege in court documents that Mr Mayers and the two other men thought to be part of his entourage beat and kicked the teenager while he was on the ground.

Witnesses in the case are expected to testify on Thursday.

The trial continues.

Additional reporting by agencies



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Tessylo
1  seeder  Tessylo    5 months ago

You break the laws in another country, you must abide by their laws.

Don't do the crime if you can't do the time.  

 
 
 
WallyW
1.1  WallyW  replied to  Tessylo @1    5 months ago

You don't have the full story.

The scrawny punk 'refugees' followed and harassed A$AP and crew, and threw the first punch. But look who got arrested.

 
 
 
Split Personality
1.1.1  Split Personality  replied to  WallyW @1.1    5 months ago

https://www.expressen.se/noje/osedda-bilderna-har-lyfter-livvakten-19-aringen/

It seems that none of us has the full story, while

more and more footage has become available to the court.

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/footage-asap-rocky-bodyguard-grabbing-154810209.html

 
 
 
BeastOfTheEast
1.2  BeastOfTheEast  replied to  Tessylo @1    5 months ago
You break the laws in another country, you must abide by their laws.

Don't do the crime if you can't do the time.

I agree, we should prosecute all those that break our immigration laws, right Tessy?

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.2.1  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  BeastOfTheEast @1.2    5 months ago

Seeking asylum is not breaking any laws although the turd in chief is doing his best to fuck that up too.  

 
 
 
livefreeordie
1.2.2  livefreeordie  replied to  Tessylo @1.2.1    5 months ago

none of these people at our Southern Border are legitimate Asylum seekers under US law. Neither seeking economic opportunity nor domestic violence are recognized by either US or international law

8 U.S.C. 1158 - ASYLUM

The burden of proof is on the applicant to establish that the applicant is a refugee, within the meaning of section 1101(a)(42)(A) of this title. To establish that the applicant is a refugee within the meaning of such section, the applicant must establish that race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or political opinion was or will be at least one central reason for persecuting the applicant.

The Attorney General may by regulation establish additional limitations and condi- tions, consistent with this section, under which an alien shall be ineligible for asylum under paragraph (1).

https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/USCODE-2011-title8/pdf/USCODE-2011-title8-chap12-subchapII-partI-sec1158.pdf

Now let’s look at how those who formally go through the asylum process fares do how the law determines legitimate asylum.

“The dispute begins with the words of the asylum law. In the Refugee Act of 1980, Congress adopted the United Nations standard and said people may seek asylum if they are "unable or unwilling to return" to their home country "because of persecution or a well-founded fear of persecution on account of race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or political opinion."

Jenna Gilbert, managing attorney for Human Rights First in Los Angeles, said it is clear the asylum law does not protect people fleeing "generalized violence." A claim "needs to be tied to the one of the protected categories," she said. "The cases are very fact-dependent."

But the odds of winning asylum are not good for Central Americans. In the past five years, China had the largest number of asylum seekers in the U.S. immigration courts, and only 20% of their claims were denied. Ethiopians did even better, with only 17% denied. By contrast, the highest denial rates arose from claims brought by natives of Jamaica (91%), the Philippines (90%), Mexico (88%), El Salvador (79%), Honduras (78%) and Guatemala (75%).

http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-asylum-law-20180506-story.html

 
 
 
BeastOfTheEast
1.2.3  BeastOfTheEast  replied to  Tessylo @1.2.1    5 months ago
Seeking asylum is not breaking any laws

Entering the United States illegally is against the law no matter what the turd democrats in congress say.

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.2.4  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  BeastOfTheEast @1.2    5 months ago

That's off topic.  I can't seem to flag it though.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.2.5  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  livefreeordie @1.2.2    5 months ago

This is also off topic.  Don't know why I can't flag it though.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.2.6  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  BeastOfTheEast @1.2.3    5 months ago

You and the pastor are off topic.  Knock it off.  

 
 
 
livefreeordie
1.2.7  livefreeordie  replied to  Tessylo @1.2.5    5 months ago

How is it off topic when you defend these invaders as legitimate asylum seekers and I point out that the law says they aren’t?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
1.3  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @1    5 months ago
Don't do the crime if you can't do the time. 

Why do you assume Mayers is guilty?  Would it be because of his race?  Or would it be because Donald Trump is trying to help him?

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.3.1  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.3    5 months ago

I'm not assuming dick.  

What the fuck does his race have to do with it?

The only reason the 'president' is looking into it is because whackjob Kanye and Kim Kartrashian asked him to.

If you think he gives a shit about any African-American, well, you've got another think coming.   

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
1.3.2  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @1.3.1    5 months ago
I'm not assuming dick.  

It sure sounded like it when you said "Don't do the crime if you can't do the time."  


What the fuck does his race have to do with it?

It shouldn't have anything to do with it! I'm wondering why you have so little empathy for this American citizen?


The only reason the 'president' is looking into it is because whackjob Kanye and Kim Kartrashian asked him to.

Could you prove that claim?


If you think he gives a shit about any African-American, well, you've got another think coming.   

I beg to differ. His administration has produced one of the lowest levels of unemployment by black Americans since such records have been kept!

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.3.4  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.3.2    5 months ago

Trump doesn't care about ASAP Rocky. He's using his case to dog whistle about immigrants.

The president's’s supposed concern fits neatly into a pattern of weaponizing crime in Europe, especially involving immigrants, for domestic political gain.
July 29, 2019, 5:50 PM EDT
By   Christian Christensen, journalism professor, Stockholm University

The people of Sweden could hardly have known how big a role their country of 10 million people would play in the evolution of Donald Trump’s presidency when he formally announced his candidacy in June of 2015. But from his false claims of   Swedish ancestry   to   hide his German forebears , to comments about   terrorist attacks in Sweden   that never took place, to his supposed concern for the   treatment of rapper A$AP Rocky , Trump has leveraged both American ignorance about Sweden and a romantic notion of how Sweden supposedly used to be to score both personal and political points.

To understand Trump’s engagement in the ASAP Rocky case, it is important to note how often he tries to shift Americans’ focus to Europe in an effort to justify U.S. policies on everything from gun control to immigration. In an April 2019 speech to the National Rifle Association, for example, Trump argued that   the 2015 terrorist attacks at the Bataclan theater in Paris   were proof that   gun control does not work . He did so despite the fact that the 130 people killed in the attacks were as many gun homicides as France sees in an average year, and that even if France had the equivalent of a Bataclan attack every month, it would   still have an annual per capita gun homicide rate   lower than the U.S.

Or there was the time that Trump attacked London Mayor Sadiq Khan  and highlighted knife crime in London as evidence of the failure of both British immigration policy and gun control. Again, the facts weren’t on Trump’s side. According to numbers from the  London  and  New York  police, the cities — which have almost identical populations — had exactly the same numbers of stabbings (76) in 2018, while New York had over 10 times as many gun homicides as London (161 versus 15) and twice as many homicides overall. (New York, notably, actually has one of the lowest homicide rates among all major U.S. cities, and is considered a success story in lowering violent crime.)

This brings us back to ASAP Rocky.

Trump’s public statements on the ASAP Rocky case — the rapper has been   charged with assault   and faces a maximum of two years in prison — have made international headlines. Trump volunteered to   cover ASAP Rocky’s bail , though Sweden doesn’t have a bail system, and publicly asked Swedish Prime Minister Stefan Löfven to intervene on the rapper’s behalf.   Löfven refused   to interfere in an ongoing criminal investigation, as is appropriate for the head of state to do.

Trump then even wrote  that Sweden had “let down” the African American community because “I watched the tapes of ASAP Rocky, and he was being followed and harassed by troublemakers,” in reference to the alleged victim who was cleared of charges. He later  added that  the country needed to “focus on its real crime problem” — a thinly-veiled reference to immigrants and to the victim in the case, an immigrant from Afghanistan who arrived in Sweden in 2015, which did not escape the attention of either Swedes or Americans.

Trump’s supposed concern for the treatment of one rapper accused of a crime in Sweden rings hollow given the lack of any apparent concern on his part for the treatment of most African Americans accused of crimes in the United States, let alone for a U.S. legal system that has  proved to be discriminatory  against African Americans or for the multiple  deaths of African Americans  at the hands of American police. It assuredly rings more hollow given  his repeated excoriations of the African American football players who knelt for the American national anthem  to protest those deaths.

And there is more than a tinge of irony in hearing a president who has  repeatedly  tried to  score political points  by accusing noncitizens of  profligately committing crimes  in the U.S.  from the very inception of his political campaign  suddenly take up the defense of a noncitizen accused of committing a crime in Sweden. But that is likely the point: To get U.S. citizens to think about what is happening in Sweden and not what is happening in the U.S.

In large part, Trump’s efforts at influencing the ASAP Rocky case have been met with bemusement and indignation  in Sweden, where Trump has  historically low  approval ratings for a sitting U.S. president; they certainly haven’t changed the course of the criminal justice system. Trump’s tweets however, have led to a great deal more media attention for the case, which is linked to a number of other issues currently in the news in both Sweden and the U.S. — namely policing, immigration and crime.

Trump’s supposed concern for ASAP Rocky fits neatly into his established pattern of weaponizing crime in Europe for domestic political gain, even if the stories he tells don’t fit the facts. If there are lots of gun-related homicides in the United States, he talks about stabbings in London. If he is trying to implement a ban on Muslims entering the United States, he  talks about how Muslim immigrants are ruining Europe . If he wants to loosen gun control laws, he talks about how terrorists in Paris could have been stopped by gun-carrying rock fans. If he’s facing accusations of racism at home, he talks about the treatment of African American suspects in Sweden.

The effectiveness of Trump’s weaponization of crime in Europe with his base rests upon two key factors. First, a lack of knowledge on the part of his audience: Knowing that Sweden doesn’t have a system of bail, that the U.S. has more stabbings per capita than the U.K., or that France has a minuscule number of gun deaths compared to the U.S. would nullify Trump’s misleading statements before they spread. And, second, it relies upon accepting the mythology of a previously peaceful and homogenous Europe destroyed by immigration, which ignores Europe’s own bloody — and modern — history of ethnic cleansing and genocide, and the massive contribution of immigrants and religious minorities to European (and American) history.

Trump’s interest in ASAP Rocky isn’t about ASAP Rocky or justice in Sweden; it is about politics at home. It always was.

Christian Christensen

Christian Christensen is a professor of journalism in the Department of Media Studies at Stockholm University, Sweden.



 
 
 
Vic Eldred
1.3.5  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @1.3.4    5 months ago

Oh, the opinion of the un-Christian Christian Christensen!  How can we refute him?

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.3.6  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.3.5    5 months ago

You haven't refuted anything.

 
 
 
Tessylo
2  seeder  Tessylo    5 months ago

Robert O’Brien, the special envoy, has been sent to Stockholm by Mr Trump to monitor court proceedings and to show support for the rapper, according to Swedish news agency   TT.

It is unclear why Mr O’Brien, whose job is to advise the government on hostage issues, was selected for the trip.

Dan Baer, a former US ambassador to the Organisation for Security & Cooperation in Europe, called the move a “shameful abuse of a serious office.”

“Imagine how seriously O’Brien will be taken by other actors now that he has made a mockery of himself by allowing his office to be instrumentalized thus,” he said on   Twitter .

“Trump’s clown like behaviour makes us weaker.”

 
 
 
Tessylo
3  seeder  Tessylo    5 months ago

Why don't you worry about the U.S. mr. 'president' and see about the disparity of blacks over whites spending  more time incarcerated for the same offenses, or the whites receiving no jail time for the same offenses?  Why don't you see about releasing folks for simple possession of marijuana where blacks spend more time where whites spend less time or no time at all incarcerated?

 

 
 
 
WallyW
3.1  WallyW  replied to  Tessylo @3    5 months ago

Prove your allegations.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
3.2  XDm9mm  replied to  Tessylo @3    5 months ago

I see you haven't heard about the prison reforms that have been instituted under President Trump.

 
 
 
Tessylo
3.2.1  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  XDm9mm @3.2    5 months ago

You mean to privatize?

 
 
 
XDm9mm
3.2.2  XDm9mm  replied to  Tessylo @3.2.1    5 months ago
You mean to privatize?

Nope.  

About The FIRST STEP Act

This is a MAJOR breakthrough in the long-fought battle for criminal justice reform. We are closer than we have been in a decade to passing robust criminal justice legislation in Congress, and one step closer to justice and relief for nearly 200,000 people in federal prisons and their families.

Source:  https://www.firststepact.org/about

# ReentryReady

In 2019, thousands of community members are returning home from federal prison under the First Step Act. Passing this bill was only our first step – our next is making sure those returning home are #ReentryReady to make their return home a supported and successful one.

Source:  https://www.firststepact.org/

The fact that President Trump accomplished getting this done must really burn your panties.

 
 
 
Tessylo
3.2.3  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  XDm9mm @3.2.2    5 months ago

'president' scumbag hasn't done dick.  

 
 
 
XDm9mm
3.2.4  XDm9mm  replied to  Tessylo @3.2.3    5 months ago
'president' scumbag hasn't done dick. 

That you don't like nor appreciate his success does not surprise me.

 
 
 
Tessylo
3.2.5  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  XDm9mm @3.2.4    5 months ago

What success?

 
 
 
Dulay
3.2.6  Dulay  replied to  XDm9mm @3.2.4    5 months ago
That you don't like nor appreciate his success does not surprise me.

That you don't realize that the First Step Act has been sitting on McConnell's desk since May 2018 is HILARIOUS! It passed the House in May 22, 2018 with 360 votes. 

I guess your idea of Trump's 'success' is continued Senate stagnation.

You must be proud. 

 
 
 
XDm9mm
3.2.7  XDm9mm  replied to  Dulay @3.2.6    5 months ago
You must be proud. 

I most assuredly am.  It got passed and SIGNED by Trump.....  something Obama FAILED at.

Crying much?

 
 
 
Dulay
3.2.8  Dulay  replied to  XDm9mm @3.2.7    5 months ago

From YOUR link:

The FIRST STEP Act (S. 2795), introduced by Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse (D- RI) and Sen. John Cornyn (R - TX),will ensure people are prepared to come home from prison job-ready and have major incentives to pursue the life-changing classes that will help them succeed on the outside.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/senate-bill/2795

Actions Overview S.2795 — 115th Congress (2017-2018)

05/07/2018 Introduced in Senate

Since then...NADA.

 
 
 
Tessylo
3.2.9  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Dulay @3.2.8    5 months ago

Thanks for the facts of the matter as usual.  

 
 
 
Dulay
3.2.10  Dulay  replied to  XDm9mm @3.2.7    5 months ago
something Obama FAILED at.

BTFW XD, WHEN did the GOP controlled House and Senate put forth the First Step Act while Obama was in office? 

 
 
 
Tessylo
3.2.11  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  XDm9mm @3.2    5 months ago
'I see you haven't heard about the prison reforms that have been instituted under President Trump.'

Except that haven't been instituted, have they?jrSmiley_91_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
XDm9mm
3.2.12  XDm9mm  replied to  Dulay @3.2.10    5 months ago
BTFW XD, WHEN did the GOP controlled House and Senate put forth the First Step Act while Obama was in office? 

Obviously, Obama was too distracted to even try to get anything accomplished.

But, that still doesn't negate the FACT that Trump got it done an signed.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
3.2.13  XDm9mm  replied to  Tessylo @3.2.11    5 months ago
Except that haven't been instituted, have they?

Are you claiming that the people released from prison due to it's passage are still imprisoned?  Seriously?

 
 
 
Dulay
3.2.14  Dulay  replied to  XDm9mm @3.2.12    5 months ago
Obviously, Obama was too distracted to even try to get anything accomplished.

Bullshit. 

But, that still doesn't negate the FACT that Trump got it done an signed.

That's what happens when Democrats are in charge of the House and compromise in the Senate.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
3.2.15  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  XDm9mm @3.2.12    5 months ago

Distracted?  How so?

 
 
 
Tacos!
3.2.16  Tacos!  replied to  Dulay @3.2.6    5 months ago
That you don't realize that the First Step Act has been sitting on McConnell's desk since May 2018

Oh God, your research skills are terrible. All you had to do was Google "First Step Act." The president signed it on December 21, 2018

Bills go back and forth from House to Senate multiple times. Along the way, they get modified and they also get new numbers.

By the way, the House version, as submitted in May of that year didn't go as far as the Senate wanted to go. It offered prison reform, but not sentencing reform. The Senate added sentencing reform . So not only did the Senate not ignore the bill. They improved it.

 
 
 
livefreeordie
3.3  livefreeordie  replied to  Tessylo @3    5 months ago

99% of prison inmates are in state and local prisons and have nothing to do with the Federal Government.

i support decriminalizing drugs which would significantly reduce prison populations and this disparity.

prisons should be for incarcerating people who commit violent acts 

 
 
 
Tessylo
3.3.1  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  livefreeordie @3.3    5 months ago

What do you know, I agree with you on something.  Non violent offenders do not belong in prison, especially not with the violent offenders.  

Although this 'president' really needs to keep his nose out of Sweden's business.  

 
 
 
 
Tessylo
4.1  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  MUVA @4    5 months ago

See above.  Next!

 
 
 
Tessylo
5  seeder  Tessylo    5 months ago

His first step must be privatizing all the prisons and the services to the prisons.  

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
6  Paula Bartholomew    5 months ago

The guy isn't a hostage.  He is under arrest.  Will this envoy head to Italy next in regards to the two Americans that are now "hostages" for killing one of their LEO?

 
 
 
Tessylo
6.1  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @6    5 months ago

Doubtful.  I believe Kanye and Kim Kartrashian are behind this.  

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
6.1.1  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Tessylo @6.1    5 months ago

Yep.  Bubble butt and bubble head are sucking up to Trump to free this guy.  Thank goodness the other government basically told Trump to back off.

 
 
 
Heartland American
6.1.2  Heartland American  replied to  Tessylo @6.1    5 months ago

The West’s did approach the President about the matter in Sweden.  They helped get an African American woman out of prison after. 21 years.  They were advocates for prison reform Trump got signed. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
6.1.3  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Heartland American @6.1.2    5 months ago

The 'president' should keep his nose out of Sweden's business.  They already told him to piss off, politely I'm sure.  

 
 
 
Ronin2
6.1.4  Ronin2  replied to  Tessylo @6.1.3    5 months ago

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The rest of the world has no problem butting their noses into our business. If Sweden doesn't like it, they can deduct the amount of hurt caused from the savings of not maintaining a military large enough to protect themselves.

 
 
 
Tessylo
6.1.5  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Ronin2 @6.1.4    5 months ago

Where do you come up with your nonsense?

When the fuck have I ever posted a racist meme?

 
 
 
Tacos!
6.1.6  Tacos!  replied to  Tessylo @6.1.3    5 months ago

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Tessylo
6.1.7  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Tacos! @6.1.6    5 months ago

Who's excited?

What the fuck are you talking about now?

He did the crime and he needs to abide by their laws.  

Your 'president' said he would vouch for his bail.  Fucktard didn't even know they don't have bail there.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
6.1.8  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Ronin2 @6.1.4    5 months ago

Sweden is not a member of NATO so it's really off topic to discuss military spending on this article.

 
 
 
Ronin2
6.1.9  Ronin2  replied to  Tessylo @6.1.8    5 months ago

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[already declared off topic by the seeder]

 
 
 
WallyW
6.2  WallyW  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @6    5 months ago

They already confessed, and are currently incarcerated.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
6.2.1  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  WallyW @6.2    5 months ago

Good.  They deserve what ever punishment Italy doles out and I am betting it won't be pretty.

 
 
 
WallyW
6.2.2  WallyW  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @6.2.1    5 months ago

If guiltly as charged

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
6.2.3  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  WallyW @6.2.2    5 months ago

You are the one who said that they confessed so that is guilty as charged isn't it?

 
 
 
luther28
7  luther28    5 months ago

One of those stranger than truth moments.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
8  Sean Treacy    5 months ago

Racist!

 
 
 
Tacos!
9  Tacos!    5 months ago

What's the matter? The president shouldn't move to safeguard the rights of a black American? We should just let some other government lock him up and throw away the key?

I guarantee you if Trump had done nothing, the Left would be talking about how much he hates black people.

 
 
 
Tessylo
9.1  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Tacos! @9    5 months ago

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Do you have a crystal ball?

The only reason he intervened is because whackjob Kanye and Kim Kartrashian bought it to his attention.  

Do you think he gives one shit about Black Americans?  See all his comments about the Squad and Elijah Cummings and Baltimore.  

 
 
 
Tacos!
9.1.1  Tacos!  replied to  Tessylo @9.1    5 months ago

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Tessylo
9.1.3  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Tacos! @9.1.1    5 months ago

You're intent to get the last word are you with all your nonsense?

 
 
 
livefreeordie
9.1.4  livefreeordie  replied to  Tessylo @9.1    5 months ago

The ones where he spoke the truth about them?  Leftists hate the truth and for them it’s only racist if Trump says it

"Anyone who took the walk that we took around this neighborhood...would think that you were in a Third World country."

—@SenSanders, west Baltimore 7/8/15

“Whoa, you can smell the rats,” then-Mayor Catherine Pugh of Baltimore, Maryland told a local news crew while taking a videotaped tour of the city

 
 
 
Tessylo
9.1.5  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Tacos! @9.1.1    5 months ago

That's not up to me is it now?

 
 
 
Tacos!
9.1.6  Tacos!  replied to  Tessylo @9.1.5    5 months ago

And thank goodness for that, [deleted]

 
 
 
Tessylo
9.1.7  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Tacos! @9.1.6    5 months ago

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He needs to abide by Sweden's laws.  

 
 
 
Tacos!
9.1.8  Tacos!  replied to  Tessylo @9.1.7    5 months ago
Stop with . . . 

You sure do like to give a lot orders on here.

He needs to abide by Sweden's laws.

Can you point out where I or anyone else said he didn't need to abide by the law? Anyone? Anywhere? No, you can't. It's nonsense.

I have said twice that I support the president taking an interest in making sure this man's rights are protected. I have asked you if you support due process, but you seem unwilling to make that basic commitment. Do you believe in equal justice? Fair justice? No?

 
 
 
Tessylo
9.1.9  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Tacos! @9.1.8    5 months ago

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Give me a break.  

Plus I don't have to answer your bogus questions.

Stop implying things I haven't said.  

I'm tired of your deflections and trolling.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
9.1.10  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Tacos! @9.1.8    5 months ago

Once again you post a response that doesn't address anything in the comment you are replying to. What makes you think I have any interest in responding to your non sequitur? If you have a point you want to make, why not just post your own comment instead of "replying" to mine with questions?

 
 
 
Tacos!
9.1.11  Tacos!  replied to  Tessylo @9.1.10    5 months ago

You just copied and pasted a comment I made on a different seed. And I'm off-topic?

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
9.1.12  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Tessylo @9.1    5 months ago

I have to wonder if Trump would have intervened if a couple who had no fame, no name and no money approached him instead of bubble butt and bubblehead who are 1 percenters.

 
 
 
Tacos!
9.1.13  Tacos!  replied to  Tessylo @9.1.9    5 months ago
Plus I don't have to answer your bogus questions.

It's not bogus to ask you questions that go to the heart of something you said. You made an argument against a point of view no one has expressed. I want to know why you think that's a valid argument. I want to know why you said that instead of addressing the issue of due process, which is what was in the comment you replied to. I'm trying to get you to stay on topic. If you can't then don't "reply" to my comments. And further, don't expect any respect when you go crying to the mods because I try to stay on the topic of a subthread I started.

Stop implying things I haven't said.

I didn't imply anything. I made it clear that I was asking you if you care about protecting the due process rights of an American citizen accused of a crime. It's a pretty simple yes or no question. You either do or you don't.

Your consistent refusal to the answer question makes it apparent that it's more important to you to hate Trump than protect the civil rights of someone accused of a crime. If you don't like the inference, all you have to do is say that equal and fair justice under the law matters to you. Of course, in that case, you might have to actually approve of something Trump does and that might make your head explode.

 
 
 
Tessylo
9.1.14  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Tacos! @9.1.13    5 months ago

Stay on topic?  You're the one who is deflecting.  You're welcome to move along.  You don't have to comment on my seeds and again,  I don't have to answer to you and your bogus claims 

I expect absolutely nothing of you and don't give a shit about your respect.  I have no respect for you whatsoever.

 
 
 
Tacos!
9.1.15  Tacos!  replied to  Tessylo @9.1.14    5 months ago
You're the one who is deflecting

Deflecting from what? I bet you don't even know. That's just a thing you say.

You're welcome to move along

I'm also welcome to stay and comment on a seed in a public forum. If you don't like it, post elsewhere.

I don't have to answer to you

No, you don't. But if you keep replying to my comments with junk, I'll keep challenging you to defend it. If you don't like it, don't reply to my comments.

I expect absolutely nothing of you and don't give a shit about your respect.  I have no respect for you whatsoever.

And yet here you are again, responding to my comment thread. You might believe that junk you just said, but I don't.

 
 
 
Tessylo
9.1.16  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Tacos! @9.1.15    4 months ago

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Tessylo
9.1.17  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Tacos! @9.1.13    4 months ago

They don't have the same rules in Sweden as the U.S.

Don't like it, don't break the law there.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
9.1.18  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Tacos! @9.1.15    4 months ago

The 'president' needs to worry about justice reform here in the US and not in other countries.  

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
9.1.19  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Tessylo @9.1.17    4 months ago

Exactly...when in Rome as they say.

 
 
 
Tessylo
10  seeder  Tessylo    5 months ago

What truth?  What city doesn't have problems with rats and poverty?

Bernie is a two faced bastard.  I hope he doesn't win the nomination.  

There you go with your 'leftists' nonsense again.  Just about every word out of that 'president's' shithole of a mouth is hateful and racist.  

 
 
 
bugsy
11  bugsy    5 months ago

We all know that if Trump did nothing, ignored the matter, and let the dude stay in jail, libs, especially many on here, would yet again call the President a racist for not getting the poor African American out of a foreign prison, and by him not doing anything, proves how much of a racist Trump is.

The hate Trump seeds would remain the same, but with just another reason to do so.

 
 
 
Tessylo
11.1  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  bugsy @11    5 months ago

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bugsy
11.1.1  bugsy  replied to  Tessylo @11.1    5 months ago

Oh, I can assure you that the TDS would be out in force, no matter what Trump did.

BTW, "you know nothing" is not a viable [response.deleted]

 
 
 
Tessylo
11.1.2  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  bugsy @11.1.1    5 months ago

[DELETE]  

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
11.2  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  bugsy @11    5 months ago

I would not call him a racist for that.  By all accounts, the guy is not being mistreated awaiting trial.  If he is treated fairly with representation, Trump has no business sticking his nose in their business and that country has basically told him that.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
12  Ed-NavDoc    4 months ago

When all is said and done, President Trump's gambit worked and the young man is headed home.

 
 
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