Trump Blames The Media For White Nationalist Violence

  
By:  john-russell  •  3 weeks ago  •  160 comments

Trump Blames The Media For White Nationalist Violence





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The Media has a big responsibility to life and safety in our Country. Fake News has contributed greatly to the anger and rage that has built up over many years. News coverage has got to start being fair, balanced and unbiased, or these terrible problems will only get worse!





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JohnRussell
1  author  JohnRussell    3 weeks ago

He is making it worse. Another white nationalist shooting is being provoked by the president*

 
 
 
Heartland American
1.2  Heartland American  replied to  JohnRussell @1    3 weeks ago

He’s right about what he said.  

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
1.2.1  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Heartland American @1.2    3 weeks ago
He’s right about what he said.

Yes, what John said is right, we have yet another white nationalist shooting provoked by the President.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
1.2.2  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Heartland American @1.2    3 weeks ago

You wish.

 
 
 
Heartland American
1.2.3  Heartland American  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @1.2.1    3 weeks ago

Trump didn’t provoke anything at all.  

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
1.2.4  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Heartland American @1.2.3    3 weeks ago

Lay off of the Kool Aid dude.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
1.2.5  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Heartland American @1.2.3    3 weeks ago
Trump didn’t provoke anything at all.

... and he had the largest inauguration crowd ever, and he's the fittest President ever, and he never said all those things we have him on tape saying, and that wasn't him on the Access Hollywood bus, and he never paid porn stars to keep quiet about his apparently non-stop infidelity, oh yeah, and he never cheated on all three of his wives and never ran multiple businesses into bankruptcy... /s

 
 
 
It Is ME
1.2.6  It Is ME  replied to  Heartland American @1.2.3    3 weeks ago
Trump didn’t provoke anything at all.

Ever listen to the "Liberal" candidates for President, or listen to the Taliban 4 ?

They want violence in their rhetoric, and get it too !

It's always someone else's fault in Liberal land, even when they speak the same as those they blame !

 
 
 
CB
1.2.7  CB   replied to  It Is ME @1.2.6    3 weeks ago

You suggest Donald Trump has a liberal stuck in his throat? It is that absurdity which makes Trump words so volatile? Stop projecting Trump misdeeds on to others. We see such foolishness plainly and clearly for what it is.

 
 
 
It Is ME
1.2.8  It Is ME  replied to  CB @1.2.7    3 weeks ago
We see such foolishness plainly and clearly for what it is.

No you don't. 

 
 
 
CB
1.2.9  CB   replied to  It Is ME @1.2.8    3 weeks ago

Yes, I, we, do! Trump is his own bad boy now! You can't have it both ways in this. Either Donald is "getting 'er done" and it is pleasing to conservatives who cover for him, or he is a 'flaming' liberal who is damnable each and every time he is up at bat!

Trump is getting 'er done, conservative-style. You like it. So now-own all facets of Donald!

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2  author  JohnRussell    3 weeks ago
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/08/trump-getting-worse/595453/

This most recent phase of the Trump presidency is the most dangerous so far. He has, of course, encouraged violence, or suggested its efficacy, on many occasions in the past. In March, in an interview with  Breitbart News , he made it plain that he was sympathetic to those of his supporters who might feel compelled to become violent on his behalf. “I can tell you I have the support of the police, the support of the military, the support of the Bikers for Trump. I have the tough people, but they don’t play it tough—until they go to a certain point, and then it would be very bad, very bad.” And he has spoken about the press in such a way as to possibly stimulate thoughts of violence among his more fervent adherents.

But in this latest phase, his rhetoric has become particularly sweeping. Brown people in general have become his targets. And there is no reason to hope that he will reform. His followers reward his radicalism, and his handlers are among the most cynical figures in American political history. His aide Kellyanne Conway tweeted on Sunday, “Working as one to understand depraved evil & to eradicate hate is everyone’s duty. Unity. Let’s do this.” And his daughter Ivanka wrote, in a way that hints at a permanent separation from reality, “White supremacy, like all other forms of terrorism, is an evil that must be destroyed.” And, of course, there is no one of any influence in his party who is willing to confront him.  

I watched the video recording of the rally in Panama City shortly after reading the El Paso killer’s so-called manifesto. It is a document littered with phrases and rhetorical devices injected into mainstream discourse by the president and his supporters—talk of a “Hispanic invasion,” accusations that Democrats support “open borders,” and the like. As Trump faces the possibility that he will lose the presidency next year, he may become more enraged, and more willing to deploy the rhetoric of violence as a way to keep his followers properly motivated. The Panama City speech was an important moment in Trump’s ongoing effort to make the American presidency a vehicle in the cause of marginalizing and frightening racial minorities; the killings are a possible (and predictable) consequence of such rhetoric.
 
 
 
Tessylo
3  Tessylo    3 weeks ago

No, we blame you mr. 'president' for stirring up hatred against immigrants and non-immigrants in your own country.  You stir up hatred against many cities across the nation.  

 
 
 
JohnRussell
3.1  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Tessylo @3    3 weeks ago

There is video of Trump laughing and joking about shooting immigrants at one of his rallies in Florida. 

Is that the "fake news" he is talking about? 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
4  author  JohnRussell    3 weeks ago
News coverage has got to start being fair, balanced and unbiased, or these terrible problems will only get worse!

(In other words, "if the media doesnt start agreeing with me there will be more violence")

 
 
 
Tessylo
5  Tessylo    3 weeks ago

We blame you 'president' for white nationalist violence.  

 
 
 
lady in black
6  lady in black    3 weeks ago

The pos bully in the white house should just shut the fuck up, the buck stops at him. 

 

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
7  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom    3 weeks ago

I am so disgusted right now that I could puke.

Now Trump wants to bury some stupid gun crappola under his pile of immigration nonsense.  Unbefrigginbelievable!

The El Paso shooter will never be sentenced to death for what he did.  Why?  Because he had Trump's permission to do what he did.  If the president of the US can label Mexican immigrants as rapists, murders and gang members, and no one gives a flying fart how those words are affecting the actions of others, then this nightmare will continue.

Impeach this idiot and send him back home to Russia, and he can take his entire family and that doofus Mitch McDonnell with him.  What is it going to take for republicans to wake up and smell the shit-coffee Trump has been serving them?

Sorry John.  Delete this if you want to.  I'm just sick of feeling powerless. 

And PS:  Is anyone else getting a full screen pop-up of Ivanka Trump propaganda every time they get online?  It's been happening all morning.  

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
7.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @7    3 weeks ago

Thats what normal politicians do. compromise and trade off. 

Fanatics claim compromise sickens them and would rather people die than give an inch.

Because he had Trump's permission to what he did

Is there a contest of some sort going on today?  This and claims that left wing terrorism doesn't  exist makes me suspect so.  Here's my entry: "Barack Obama cured cancer by playing basketball."

 
 
 
Raven Wing
7.1.1  Raven Wing  replied to  Sean Treacy @7.1    3 weeks ago
Thats what normal politicians do. compromise and trade off. 

Yes, that is what should happen, but, not in our political system. Neither side wants to give an inch or try to find compromise, or anything that will benefit the American people, not just their own party.

Neither party is worth the plug nickle to blow them to Hell at this point. They don't even give a tinkers damn about their own supporters other then when it is time to vote.

JMOO

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
7.1.2  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Sean Treacy @7.1    3 weeks ago

Soooooooo...... Who knew that when soon to be Speaker of the House John Boehner couldn't say the word compromise in his 60-Minutes interview in 2010 that he was as you say a... "Fanatic".

[Removed] The deflection by you to "anything Obama" is the trifecta.

 
 
 
Tessylo
7.1.3  Tessylo  replied to  Sean Treacy @7.1    3 weeks ago

That piece of shit doesn't compromise.  It's his way or not at all.  

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
7.1.4  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  Sean Treacy @7.1    3 weeks ago
Thats what normal politicians do.

I don't even have to tell you what the problem with that statement is.  

Is there a contest of some sort going on today? This and claims that left wing terrorism doesn't exist makes me suspect so. 

Oh, yeah, I forgot.  The President of the United States doesn't need to set an example when he addresses the nation on his preferred platform.  

Here's my entry: "Barack Obama cured cancer by playing basketball."

Not sure what that means, but if you are referring to my recent cancer recurrence, then congrats on a perfect Donald Trump impersonation.  

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
7.1.5  Sean Treacy  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @7.1.2    3 weeks ago

Removed for context

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FLYNAVY1
7.1.6  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Sean Treacy @7.1.5    3 weeks ago

[Removed]  You're response speaks volumes of the nerve I touched.

The day I hear you call Trump out on his racist, white nationalist supporting agenda is that day I will admit that you actually put America before party....  I'll be more than happy to post a seed complementing you on it.

Till then..... continue to duck the issues, and cover for the shit-stain in the WH.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
7.1.7  1stwarrior  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @7.1.6    3 weeks ago

Fly, remember, and this applies to all of us - a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest (BTW, came from a super song :-))

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
7.1.8  Sean Treacy  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @7.1.6    3 weeks ago

Removed for context

I didn't vote for him and won't in 2020 either. But keep projecting your stereotypes. 

What's funny is that you are a perfect mirror to Trump, just change the labels. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
7.1.9  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @7.1.8    3 weeks ago

You have been carrying water for Trump since he took office. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
7.1.10  Sean Treacy  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @7.1.4    3 weeks ago
but if you are referring to my recent cancer recurrence, t

I had no idea of this and meant nothing by it other than an example of  an absurd statement.  My sincerest apologies.  I wish you the best. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
7.1.11  TᵢG  replied to  JohnRussell @7.1.9    3 weeks ago
Sean Treacy @7.1.8 I didn't vote for him [Trump] and won't in 2020 either.
 
 
 
JohnRussell
7.1.12  author  JohnRussell  replied to  TᵢG @7.1.11    3 weeks ago

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TᵢG
7.1.13  TᵢG  replied to  JohnRussell @7.1.12    3 weeks ago
For some odd reason you seem to be taking Sean's part. 

I quoted to you what the man wrote.   He said that he did not and will not vote for Trump.

I'm pretty tired of your snide comments to me. 

I quoted what Sean wrote.   I did not add anything else to it.   Calling that a snide comment from me is preposterous.

 
 
 
Dulay
7.1.14  Dulay  replied to  Sean Treacy @7.1    3 weeks ago
Thats what normal politicians do. compromise and trade off. 

What 'compromise and trade off' are you talking about Sean? PLEASE be specific. Cite policy, bills or SOMETHING tangible. 

 
 
 
Dulay
7.1.15  Dulay  replied to  TᵢG @7.1.11    3 weeks ago

Yet that hardly precludes him from carrying Trump's water, as illustrated by many of his comments. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
7.1.16  TᵢG  replied to  Dulay @7.1.15    3 weeks ago

Does not make sense that he would be carrying Trump's water if he did not and will not vote for him.

Unless, of course, 'carrying Trump's water' means failing to agree that everything is Trump's fault.   If that is the case then I am all for weighing in on an issue objectively regardless of how close or far that is from Trump's positions.

 
 
 
Dulay
7.1.17  Dulay  replied to  TᵢG @7.1.16    3 weeks ago
Does not make sense that he would be carrying Trump's water if he did not and will not vote for him.

The enemy of your enemy...

Unless, of course, 'carrying Trump's water' means failing to agree that everything is Trump's fault.   

I suppose we all have our own interpretation of the phrase. Your example doesn't qualify as part of mine. 

If that is the case then I am all for weighing in on an issue objectively regardless of how close or far that is from Trump's positions.

I'll wait for Sean to give me examples of Trump's 'compromise and trade off' before I weigh in on the issue one way or another...

I won't be holding my breath. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
7.1.18  TᵢG  replied to  Dulay @7.1.17    3 weeks ago

I see too much partisanship on social media sites.   It is difficult for people to actually weigh in thoughtfully on matters (especially politics) without being cast in a stereotype.   This happens very often with independents (i.e. those who do not factor in party positions and ideologies when forming an opinion on a matter).   Note that an independent is not necessarily a registered I (could be a D or R).   So let's say there is a D who is an independent thinker.   That D may offer opinions that are often aligned with the D party (ergo why the person is a D) but sometimes disagrees (and sometimes aligns with the R on an issue).   The instant that D expresses something other than D, s/he is cast into a 'them' stereotype.

Not the best dynamic for thoughtful adult discourse intended to broaden minds and encourage thinking.   Great, however, for encouraging adults to bicker like high schoolers.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
7.1.19  author  JohnRussell  replied to  TᵢG @7.1.18    3 weeks ago

You like to intellectualize over Trumpism.  Others of us like a more direct analysis of this plague. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
7.1.20  TᵢG  replied to  JohnRussell @7.1.19    3 weeks ago
You like to intellectualize over Trumpism.  Others of us like a more direct analysis of this plague. 

The problem is when one moves from discussing content to attacking fellow members.   If one finds someone who seems to be wrong about Trump in some way, then of course take the debate to them with facts and reason.   But stereotyping people (and worse) is non-productive.   Indeed, if one attacks a fellow non-supporter of Trump because said person is not sufficiently venomous or who has a position that is not as extreme as one's own then that is actually counter-productive.

 
 
 
Dulay
7.1.21  Dulay  replied to  TᵢG @7.1.18    3 weeks ago
The instant that D expresses something other than D, s/he is cast into a 'them' stereotype.

That has happened to me here T,G. I was called I lair when I commented that I own guns. 

Not the best dynamic for thoughtful adult discourse intended to broaden minds and encourage thinking. Great, however, for encouraging adults to bicker like high schoolers.

Review my question to Sean. How does it fail to meet your standards? 

 
 
 
TᵢG
7.1.22  TᵢG  replied to  Dulay @7.1.21    3 weeks ago
That has happened to me here T,G. I was called I lair when I commented that I own guns. 

I am not surprised.

Review my question to Sean. How does it fail to meet your standards? 

My comment was not in response to anything you have written here to Sean (or anyone else). 

 
 
 
Ender
7.1.23  Ender  replied to  Raven Wing @7.1.1    3 weeks ago
Neither side wants to give an inch or try to find compromise, or anything that will benefit the American people, not just their own party.

I agree. It is like compromise is no longer in most peoples vocabulary.

When there finally is a piece of legislation that is a compromise, one side or the other will put in a poison pill that will doom it.

 
 
 
Ender
7.1.24  Ender  replied to  TᵢG @7.1.18    3 weeks ago

Sadly I don't see it getting better anytime soon.

Everything seems to be labeled...fake news...bias sources...opinion...etc.

Nobody trusts info other than what they want to believe.

I do see you as one of the truly Independent people around. Always thoughtful and not reliant on any labels or designation.

You will have to forgive me though, I am not great with compliments.  Haha

 
 
 
CB
7.1.25  CB   replied to  Ender @7.1.23    3 weeks ago

Let us be clear. The sides are not equal. Even in their efforts to fix problems in America. I could, we can all wish for better politics of the day, but this is not a one side has a 'pitchfork," and the other side "shiny horns" narrative. One side is definitely trying to impose its brand of social justice on the other side. I will let commonsense explain to each observer what should matter most!

Incidentally, I get the whole  "static" constitution authority vs. "living" constitution debate. But, and its a big butt - only a fool should think: 1) Minorities should be perpetually an under-served and offical second-class. 2) That every major alteration of the federal government (affecting the states) should require a 'line-item' approved change to the Constitution. If so, then what use is having an effective Congress representing the people?

Also, let's not make "independent" a self-righteous state of being. Straddling the fence can be problematic for situations needing (demanding) a holistic approach!

 
 
 
Heartland American
7.1.26  Heartland American  replied to  Tessylo @7.1.3    3 weeks ago

Really?  When he offered citizenship for dreamers and more in exchange for wall funding that wasn’t a compromise offer?  Who w it who said not more than 1 dollar and got nothing for the dreamers?  

 
 
 
dennis smith
7.1.27  dennis smith  replied to  Ender @7.1.23    3 weeks ago

When there finally is a piece of legislation that is a compromise, one side or the other will put in a poison pill that will doom it.

Even when legislation is passed as a result of compromise, both parties brag about what they got and bitch about what they did not get. Sadly this has been politics at the Federal level long before Trump became POTUS. 

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
7.1.28  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Heartland American @7.1.26    3 weeks ago

It was not a compromise.  He tried using the dreamers as bargaining chips.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
7.2  Trout Giggles  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @7    3 weeks ago
The El Paso shooter will never be sentenced to death for what he did.  Why?  Because he had Trump's permission to do what he did.

I think you just gave his defense attorney his defense strategy.

 
 
 
CB
7.2.1  CB   replied to  Trout Giggles @7.2    3 weeks ago

Dearest TG!  The only one who can use Trump's methodologies efficiently is Donald: Me, myself, and I.  /s

HA!

 
 
 
Ronin2
7.2.2  Ronin2  replied to  Trout Giggles @7.2    2 weeks ago

Unfortunately, the shooter put out his manifesto for the world to see stating that he was planning this long before Trump took office.

https://pulpitandpen.org/2019/08/05/heres-the-el-paso-shooters-full-manifesto-read-it-before-you-believe-the-news/

My opinions on automation, immigration, and the rest predate Trump and his campaign for president. I putting this here because some people will blame the President or certain presidential candidates for the attack. This is not the case. I know that the media will probably call me a white supremacist anyway and blame Trump’s rhetoric. The media is infamous for fake news. Their reaction to this attack will likely just confirm that. Many people think that the fight for America is already lost. They couldn’t be more wrong. This is just the beginning of the fight for America and Europe. I am honored to head the fight to reclaim my country from destruction

Will be a very tough sell to any judge/jury.

 
 
 
Heartland American
7.2.3  Heartland American  replied to  Ronin2 @7.2.2    2 weeks ago

Not to mention the anti corporate and pro environmentalist stuff that comes later in the manifesto and the bit about overpopulation and needing fewer Americans using up our environmental resources. 

 
 
 
Raven Wing
7.3  Raven Wing  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @7    3 weeks ago
And PS:  Is anyone else getting a full screen pop-up of Ivanka Trump propaganda every time they get online?  It's been happening all morning.

Not here. I use Chrome and I am not seeing any popups.

 
 
 
cjcold
7.4  cjcold  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @7    3 weeks ago

I self deleted a comment earlier this morning. Figured I didn't want the SS showing up at my door.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
7.5  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @7    3 weeks ago

That is why I have pop up blocker.

 
 
 
CB
7.6  CB   replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @7    3 weeks ago
I'm just sick of feeling powerless.

Me too, SMAAB! It is like I have resigned myself to a fate. And, I don't normally permit such a thing (resigned to a fate) in my life!

 
 
 
CB
7.7  CB   replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @7    3 weeks ago

C'mon Sister MAAB! Me, you, and the rest of the gang! We're out of here! Let's get a bus trip to Washington, D.C. We're going to kick the 'bums' and their 'empty heads' out of their J-o-b-s!

They don't care about us. They don't care about old folks, young folks, youths, or babes—all cut down in a blaze of assault weapons fire spreading across 'Merica! And, Trump, the louse,  did not even mention the letters or words, "NRA" in his statement today! Plain and clear, it denotes where his heart is, and that of his staff!

Sister, you got another 'project' left in you?!

 
 
 
freepress
8  freepress    3 weeks ago

What a joke, you can take his tweets in real time from crap he watches on Fox and he blames the media. Yeah, the media is to blame, the idiots at Fox who spew his talking points and tell as many lies as Trump does. They are to blame, Fox, the most powerful name in news.

 
 
 
CB
8.1  CB   replied to  freepress @8    3 weeks ago

24/7. 27/7. 24/7. 27/7. 24/7 ad nauseam. Spinning. The. Alternative. Narrative. 24/7. 27/7. 24/7. 27/7. 24/7.

 
 
 
†hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh
8.1.1  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh  replied to  CB @8.1    3 weeks ago

Smoke dope homey, it silences the noise.

 
 
 
CB
8.1.2  CB   replied to  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh @8.1.1    3 weeks ago

You are my homey and that is just a fact! (Smile.)

 
 
 
†hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh
8.1.3  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh  replied to  CB @8.1.2    3 weeks ago

It comes with added benefits. When someone asks, I say I have a friend with a black avatar.

 
 
 
CB
8.1.4  CB   replied to  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh @8.1.3    3 weeks ago

*Gasp! Don't forget moi's blonde 'do,' mi amigo!!

 
 
 
CB
9  CB     3 weeks ago

Has the NRA outlived its usefulness? OUTRAGE! It is bound to come—finally. Even Ohio Representative Tim Ryan used the "fhit" word over the weekend. Both men,Tim and Beto realize their states, their friends, and families were indirectly targeted by mad-men. And, still today the president is obliged to keep the NRA and guns out of his proposals to fix the problem of weapons of mass destruction use wild-spread in America.

Questions:

1. Has the NRA outlived its usefulness?
2. Why is NRA-ILA allowed to continue lobbying Congress?

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
9.1  Trout Giggles  replied to  CB @9    3 weeks ago
Has the NRA outlived its usefulness?

I've been reading reports that they are losing membership and board members/employees have been jumping ship

 
 
 
Dulay
9.1.1  Dulay  replied to  Trout Giggles @9.1    3 weeks ago

Maybe that will put a dent in Wayne Lapierre's wardrobe budget. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
9.1.2  Texan1211  replied to  Trout Giggles @9.1    3 weeks ago

Good--then maybe folks will finally stop freaking out over the NRA.

But most likely will not.

 
 
 
Karri
9.1.3  Karri  replied to  Trout Giggles @9.1    3 weeks ago

I have heard the same, TG.  Between embezzlement and loss of membership, the NRA may be headed towards life support.

 
 
 
livefreeordie
9.2  livefreeordie  replied to  CB @9    3 weeks ago

Questions:

1. Has the NRA outlived its usefulness?
2. Why is NRA-ILA allowed to continue lobbying Congress?

1no, as long as the left continues their assault on liberty and our natural right to keep and bear arms, we encourage any organization tha5 defends this essential right

2 because of that pesky little thing called the Constitution 

“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”

the NRA is a way for us to collectively petition Congress to protect our God given rights

No one legally owns any weapons of mass destruction in this country. You have no hesitation [ deleted ] when pushing your agenda to take away our rights so your totalitarian “utopia” can be finalized

 
 
 
CB
9.2.1  CB   replied to  livefreeordie @9.2    3 weeks ago
No one legally owns any weapons of mass destruction in this country. You have no hesitation to lie when pushing your agenda to take away our rights so your totalitarian “utopia” can be finalized.

1. How many people are dead over this weekend from two shooters? 31 (and counting) people are dead. 2 shooters. There is your weapons of mass destruction. Indeed, the shooters could wish for more deaths, seeing they are unrepentant and dead.

[2deleted]

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
9.2.2  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  livefreeordie @9.2    3 weeks ago
to protect our God given rights

"He will judge between the nations and will settle disputes for many peoples. They will beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks. Nation will not take up sword against nation, nor will they train for war anymore." - Isaiah 2:4

I think it's hilarious that you imagine your right to bear arms was "God given".

" Has the NRA outlived its usefulness?"

"in 1861, a national rifle association was proposed by Americans in England. In a letter that was sent to President Lincoln and published in the New York Times , R.G. Moulton and R.B. Perry recommended forming an organization similar to the British National Rifle Association, which had formed a year and a half earlier. They suggested making a shooting range, perhaps on the base on Staten Island, and were offering Whitworth rifles for prizes for the first shooting competition with those rifles."

"Union Army records for the Civil War indicate that its troops fired about 1,000 rifle shots for each Confederate hit, causing General Burnside to lament his recruits: "Out of ten soldiers who are perfect in drill and the manual of arms, only one knows the purpose of the sights on his gun or can hit the broad side of a barn."

"Recognizing a need for better training, Wingate sent emissaries to Canada, the United Kingdom, and Germany to observe militia and armies' marksmanship training programs. With plans provided by Wingate, the New York Legislature funded the construction of a modern range at Creedmoor, Long Island, for long-range shooting competitions."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Rifle_Association

So if the use was primarily to create more marksmen so they could kill more confederate bigots, then perhaps their usefulness is not yet fulfilled. Sadly, we seem to have a rash of wannabe confederates, Nazis and violent white supremacists coming out of the woodwork now that Trump has provided them cover, and they're just using the NRA to protect their rights to own arsenals of military style weapons in preparation for their hoped for and imagined next civil war that they fantasize about not losing next time.

 
 
 
CB
9.2.3  CB   replied to  livefreeordie @9.2    3 weeks ago
1. [N]o, as long as the left continues their assault on liberty and our natural right to keep and bear arms, we encourage any organization tha[t] defends this essential right.

Defend yourself in public. The NRA is an old, haggard, out-dated, bloated, machine. Time to put it 'down.'

2. [B]ecause of that pesky little thing called the Constitution.

The Constitution says the NRA-ILA has a right of speech. It does not say they have a right to lobby (and buy/sell) in Congress. Let them 'speak' from the curbside or even better from the bushes!

You have no hesitation [deleted] when pushing your agenda to take away our rights so your totalitarian “utopia” can be finalized.

I have no "utopian" outlook on life. That is an old, haggard, out-dated, bloated, talking point you "faithfully" (and wrongly) traffic in. That's all it is.

Incidentally, a Christian leader who sees no harm in homicidal death of his or her fellow citizens by assault weapons is a dangerous individual to behold. We, believers, have to take on the use of weapons of war, on the streets of our cities.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
9.2.4  XDm9mm  replied to  CB @9.2.3    3 weeks ago
It does not say they have a right to lobby (and buy/sell) in Congress.

When you enlarge that to include all lobbyists, I'll hop on board.  

But ALL includes Unions, individually and collectively, the NAACP, NAN, all corporations and special interests, but you get the idea.

So, are you on board?

On a personal note, I've been ranting to senators and congressman about that for decades.

 
 
 
CB
9.2.5  CB   replied to  Dismayed Patriot @9.2.2    3 weeks ago
So if the use was primarily to create more marksmen so they could kill more confederate bigots, then perhaps their usefulness is not yet fulfilled. Sadly, we seem to have a rash of wannabe confederates, Nazis and violent white supremacists coming out of the woodwork now that Trump has provided them cover, and they're just using the NRA to protect their rights to own arsenals of military style weapons in preparation for their hoped for and imagined next civil war that they fantasize about not losing next time.

You are 'bad' DP! (Smile.) True dat to the rest. 

 
 
 
CB
9.2.6  CB   replied to  XDm9mm @9.2.4    3 weeks ago
On a personal note, I've been ranting to senators and congressman about that for decades.

On a personal note, I am for people having jobs that allow them to contact, engage, and persuade Congress. What I am against is people who effectively have, "eyes but don't see; ears but don't hear." We need the NRA/NRA-ILA to see and hear the pain and sorrow of children, old folks, and family members crying out in despair! Because as 'good as it gets,' just killed another 31 random people on the streets of "anywhere" America.

 
 
 
Texan1211
9.2.7  Texan1211  replied to  XDm9mm @9.2.4    3 weeks ago
But ALL includes Unions, individually and collectively, the NAACP, NAN, all corporations and special interests, but you get the idea.
So, are you on board?

I bet that is a big fat NO!

Some would like to lobby for THEIR pet organizations and deny that right to ones they don't like.

 
 
 
MrFrost
9.2.8  MrFrost  replied to  livefreeordie @9.2    3 weeks ago

The NRA is a terrorist organization. 

 
 
 
XDm9mm
9.2.9  XDm9mm  replied to  CB @9.2.6    3 weeks ago
On a personal note, I am for people having jobs that allow them to contact, engage, and persuade Congress.

Obviously, only as long as they agree with you and your concepts.

The NRA represents me and millions of other Americans.  Were it not for the NRA, there are many places in this country that would have essentially eliminated the 2nd Amendment with local rules and regulations trying to restrict the Constitutional right.

 
 
 
MrFrost
9.2.10  MrFrost  replied to  XDm9mm @9.2.4    3 weeks ago

The NRA is a clearly biased organization that literally makes money off of public/mass shootings by promoting that, "more guns means less crime" bullshit.

Some numbers from the NRA. 

Independent Expenditures: $8,989,810
     For Democrats: $12,942
     Against Democrats: $4,344,473
     For Republicans: $5,149,314
     Against Republicans: $44,591
Electioneering Communications: $0 icon_help_white.gif
Communication Costs: $561,510

https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/summary.php?id=d000000082

Fortunately the NRA leadership is in chaos and NRA TV is shut down. 

 
 
 
CB
9.2.11  CB   replied to  XDm9mm @9.2.9    3 weeks ago

Were it not for the NRA there are many places in this country, and more besides, that could possibly have their weapons of mass destruction citizens (including Sandy Hook preschoolers to elementary grades) at school or in the workforce today!

But, you know what? I really don't care about engaging the tired old debate about how the 2nd amendment coper's can't cope without a specific mouthpiece which coerces politicians! (I thought bribes by any name were illegal in this country? Oh well, . . . .) The United States have a standing military (the best in the world) and thus, the NRA needs to find its 'lane' and stay in it. Much like the Right-wing Church needs to stay in its lane too!

 
 
 
XDm9mm
9.2.12  XDm9mm  replied to  CB @9.2.11    3 weeks ago
But, you know what? I really don't care about engaging the tired old debate about how the 2nd amendment

Why didn't you simply stop there?

What you're actually saying is that you don't want debate, you simply want surrender and capitulation to your way of thinking.

 
 
 
Karri
9.2.13  Karri  replied to  livefreeordie @9.2    3 weeks ago
No one legally owns any weapons of mass destruction in this country

Assault weapons are weapons of mass destruction.  

 
 
 
cjcold
9.2.14  cjcold  replied to  livefreeordie @9.2    3 weeks ago
to protect our God given rights

God told me to buy a whole bunch of AR-15s, AK-47s and a few cases of ammo. He'll eventually get around to telling me what HE wants me to do with them. Pretty sure HE thinks that you are a blasphemer.

 
 
 
CB
9.2.15  CB   replied to  XDm9mm @9.2.12    3 weeks ago

You can keep arguing all you want. . . . I'm done wasting time on long-winded people who want pretense of argument as a placeholder and distraction for doing something !

Hey, look who's here! f7de1ae78f6162ab45c4b5cab9a2785c.jpg "The Spoiler with his mandible claw": "The blood will flow."

 
 
 
1stwarrior
9.2.16  1stwarrior  replied to  Karri @9.2.13    3 weeks ago

A .22 in the right hands is also a weapon of mass destruction.  For that matter, back in the day, I and my Daisy BB pistol and rifle were weapons of mass destruction.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
9.2.17  XDm9mm  replied to  CB @9.2.15    3 weeks ago
I'm done wasting time on long-winded people who want pretense of argument as a placeholder and distraction for doing something!

Well then DO SOMETHING...   you obviously don't give a shit if it's right or wrong as long as it fits your theory and you've "DONE SOMETHING".

When you want to have actual debate and consider possible solutions, knock on my door and let me know.  Failing that, stay away.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
9.2.18  XDm9mm  replied to  Karri @9.2.13    3 weeks ago
Assault weapons are weapons of mass destruction.

And who pray tell owns "assault weapons"?  You ARE aware are you not, that the term 'assault weapon' is a manufactured term brought to life in 1994.

 
 
 
Heartland American
9.2.19  Heartland American  replied to  MrFrost @9.2.8    3 weeks ago

And then I’m a proud non gun owning terrorist.  Yay me!  Long live the NRA!

 
 
 
cjcold
9.2.20  cjcold  replied to  1stwarrior @9.2.16    3 weeks ago

Way out here in the country I keep a .177 pellet rifle leaning against my back door. With alloy pellets at 1200 fps it is formidable.

 
 
 
CB
9.2.21  CB   replied to  1stwarrior @9.2.16    3 weeks ago

AK-47 educational video:

 
 
 
CB
9.2.22  CB   replied to  XDm9mm @9.2.17    3 weeks ago

Don't hold your breath waiting on me to knock for a waste of time. NRA talking points are a 'been there-done that' experience and I got my 'shirts too! It's an utter write-off!

 
 
 
CB
9.2.23  CB   replied to  XDm9mm @9.2.18    3 weeks ago

And you wrote that to inform us of what exactly? The phrase, "the human race" is made up and it signifies too!

 
 
 
XDm9mm
9.2.24  XDm9mm  replied to  CB @9.2.21    3 weeks ago
AK-47 educational video:

You do know don't you, the AK-47 in your video is highly restricted and requires a specific federal permit to acquire.

The variant you can buy at a local gun shop is SEMI AUTOMATIC.

But, you really don't care about facts, so why care about truth either.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
9.2.25  XDm9mm  replied to  CB @9.2.22    3 weeks ago
Don't hold your breath waiting on me to knock for a waste of time.

Thanks for acknowledging that any discussion with you would be a waste of my time.  It's greatly appreciated that you're finally being honest.

 
 
 
CB
9.2.26  CB   replied to  XDm9mm @9.2.25    3 weeks ago

Breath. Be free. Save digital space!

 
 
 
XDm9mm
9.2.27  XDm9mm  replied to  CB @9.2.26    3 weeks ago
Breath. Be free. Save digital space!

I would suggest you take your own advice.

Bye bye.

 
 
 
CB
9.2.28  CB   replied to  XDm9mm @9.2.27    3 weeks ago

Yes sir! (Salutes.) (Bye-bye now.)

 
 
 
 
Dulay
9.2.30  Dulay  replied to  XDm9mm @9.2.18    3 weeks ago
You ARE aware are you not, that the term 'assault weapon' is a manufactured term brought to life in 1994.

Unicorn is a made up term but we all know what it means.

Is your only argument semantic technicalities? 

 
 
 
Karri
9.2.31  Karri  replied to  1stwarrior @9.2.16    3 weeks ago

Can it be used to kill 9 people and wound 14 more in less than 30 seconds?

 
 
 
CB
9.2.32  CB   replied to  XDm9mm @9.2.24    3 weeks ago

The 'clip' stipulates its limitation for "educational purposes" (by me). Someone in its comments section notes its similarity to the AK 74. It's 'variant' is irrelevant. XDm9mm, I will not accept any so-called "teachable moment" from you if you keep this hostile approach to sharing up! I don't care if that gun shoots pebbles out the front end! All I wish for this example is people to get a sense of what happened in El Paso, Texas! It is more understandable this way. Drop your attack mode or 'miss me' altogether.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
9.2.33  Trout Giggles  replied to  CB @9.2.21    3 weeks ago

That is, I believe, an automatic rifle which I thought had been banned.

I'm sure somebody here will correct me and give me another opportunity to "double down on the stupid" (I can't seem to stop using that phrase this morning)

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
9.2.34  Trout Giggles  replied to  Karri @9.2.31    3 weeks ago
Can it be used to kill 9 people and wound 14 more in less than 30 seconds?

That guy (Connor Betts) had to be using an illegal weapon. The news report on the radio said that investigators recovered something like 44 shell casings. Now, I don't know a lot about guns, but it seems to me that nobody can shoot off 44 rounds in less than 30 seconds with an semi-automatic. Semis fire off one round per pull of the trigger.

 
 
 
Tessylo
9.2.35  Tessylo  replied to  Trout Giggles @9.2.34    3 weeks ago
Dayton shooter used a gun that may have exploited an ATF loophole
Cameron Knight , Cincinnati Enquirer Published 3:41 p.m. ET Aug. 5, 2019 |   Updated 5:15 p.m. ET Aug. 5, 2019
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Surveillance video shows officers pursuing gunman, Connor Betts in Dayton’s Oregon District and fatally shooting him early Sunday. Provided by Dayton Police Department

Even though it looked like a rifle, the gun used to kill nine people and wound at least 14 more was likely classified as a pistol, skirting around laws restricting short-barreled rifles.

Will the device on Connor Betts' weapon, called a "pistol brace," become the next bump stock in nation's gun control debate?

Here's what we know about the AR-15 style .223 caliber firearm used in the Dayton shooting Sunday:

  • It was legally purchased by Betts' from an online retailer in Texas. It then was transferred to him by a local firearms dealer who would be required to perform a background check, police said.
  • Nothing on Betts' criminal record would have prevented him from buying a gun.
  • He used legal-to-own 100-round drum magazines.
  • The lower receiver, which houses the trigger, was made by Anderson Manufacturing in Hebron, Kentucky. Under federal law, the lower receiver is the gun. Purchasing a lower receiver requires a background check. All other parts of guns, such as barrels and stocks, can be bought legally off the shelf or online.
  • Betts could have had as many as 250 rounds in his possession; he fired at least 41 rounds in about 30 seconds.
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The firearm used to kill nine and wound 27 more in Dayton early Sunday morning.  (Photo: Provided/Dayton Police Department)

On Monday, Dayton Police Chief Richard Biehl said Betts' gun was "modified in essence to function like a rifle" and "to avoid any legal prohibitions." He did not specifically cite a pistol brace, but photos of the weapon released by police show one.

The federal restrictions on short-barreled rifles were enacted to stop people from making rifles, guns fired from the shoulder, more concealable. Rifles typically can fire more powerful cartridges than pistols and shoulder stocks allow the rifles to be fired more accurately.

It is illegal to own a rifle with a barrel shorter than 16 inches without paying $200 for a National Firearms Act tax stamp and completing all the related paperwork and background checks. The process is similar to legally owning a fully-automatic rifle.

It is unclear if Betts' went through this process, but the firearm he used did have a barrel shorter than 16 inches.

AR-15 style firearms can be rifles or pistols. A pistol can have a short barrel, but no shoulder stock. A rifle can have a shoulder stock, but the barrel must be 16 inches or longer.

Enter the pistol brace, also known as a stabilizing brace. For all practical purposes, this device allows pistols with short barrels to have something resembling a shoulder stock.

Many of these devices closely resemble shoulder stocks and can be used in that fashion, which raises another question for the ATF. If you put a pistol brace to your shoulder, does that turn your gun into something illegal? 

The ATF has gone back and forth on its answer. The agency has issued several open letters, which are not law but indications of how the agency plans to interpret the law.

In 2012, the ATF issued a letter saying braces could be attached to a pistol without turning the weapon into a short-barreled rifle.

In 2015, the agency said firing a pistol from the shoulder with a brace would not constitute a "redesign" and would require all the necessary paperwork and taxes.

When brace manufacturers sought more clarification, the ATF again appeared to change its stance in 2017. The ATF said "incidental, sporadic, or situation ‘use’ of an arm-brace" from the shoulder did not constitute a redesign, but taking "affirmative steps to configure the device" as a shoulder stock would, such as removing straps intended to wrap around the arm.

Dean Rieck, the executive director of the Buckeye Firearm Association, said trying to ban firearm components will not prevent the next mass shooting.

"After every shooting, we see the same pattern," Rieck said. "People have certain pet laws they want to see passed. You'll probably see various laws proposed."

In terms of pistol braces, Rieck said: "Things like that don't really make a difference. If your purpose is to harm people, that configuration is not ideal anyway."

After the Las Vegas mass shooting, Cincinnati and Columbus attempted to ban bump stocks, which can increase the rate of fire of a rifle. Rieck's association successfully blocked the bans by invoking Ohio's preemption rule,  which stops cities from overriding state gun laws.

Chief Biehl has not said it he believes the short barrel and pistol brace assisted Betts in the killings, but he did take a stance on the level of firepower used in the attack.

Asked about the 100-round magazines, he said: "It’s problematic. It is fundamentally problematic. To have that level of weaponry in a civilian environment unregulated is problematic."

 
 
 
XDm9mm
9.2.36  XDm9mm  replied to  Trout Giggles @9.2.33    3 weeks ago
That is, I believe, an automatic rifle which I thought had been banned.

Not totally 'banned'.  But they're not available without getting very specific federal permits and paying a specific tax.  They are very highly regulated.

Those that double down on stupid are those that try to equate a semi-automatic rifle that is SIMILAR in appearance to a full automatic weapon.  Appearances and functionality are distinct and differing attributes, well, at least to those that actually know what they're talking about.

All of that having been said, you were pretty close with your statement, not 100% but close enough.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
9.2.37  XDm9mm  replied to  Trout Giggles @9.2.34    3 weeks ago
That guy (Connor Betts) had to be using an illegal weapon.

Nope.  What he had was quite legal.  Anyone can fire that many rounds, in fact more, even with a semi-automatic rifle.   Of course, firing like that is just spraying and not aiming (at least without extensive training, practice and experience.  Some in the military are capable of that, but they train daily for hours at a time.)

If you search, there is a guy that was as fast as a full auto weapon.  I forget the guys name, but there is a video of it being done.

 
 
 
Tessylo
9.2.38  Tessylo  replied to  Dulay @9.2.30    3 weeks ago

Usually.  

 
 
 
Dulay
9.2.39  Dulay  replied to  cjcold @9.2.20    3 weeks ago

I wonder how much hydrostatic shock damage it does.../s

 
 
 
livefreeordie
9.2.41  livefreeordie  replied to  Karri @9.2.13    3 weeks ago

All firearms, knives, hammers, automobiles, and fists are technically “assault weapons”.  But military weapons are not sold to the public

384

 
 
 
CB
9.2.42  CB   replied to  livefreeordie @9.2.41    3 weeks ago

Yes Karri. Do not look at the cold, dead bodies of 'loved ones' littering schools, restaurants, bars, theaters, concerts, festivals, stadiums, lofts, and 'anywhere America' street corners near you  - just focus on an idea that a gun is your friend even as an AK-47 and its 'sisters' mows everyone standing around you down. Got it, Karri? Don't see the blood as blood. . . . It is only something, . . .reddish oozing.

Please proceed, LFOD. . . .

 
 
 
CB
9.2.43  CB   replied to  livefreeordie @9.2.41    3 weeks ago
All . . ., knives, hammers, automobiles, and fists are technically “assault weapons”.

Gee, one has to wonder how many people can one knife, hammer, 'auto,' and 'fist' to death in under 30 seconds before law enforcement can react? Do you have a count for us, LFOD? 

We have something of an idea. In Dayton, Ohio - a distracted gunman managed to kill nine adults with a high-power weapon of mass destruction in 30 secs or less. How high is your 30 seconds knife count climbing?

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
9.2.44  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  livefreeordie @9.2.41    2 weeks ago

So is a frozen leg of lamb.  My great aunt laid out her husband once with one.  He lived but got nervous every time he knew dinner was going to be lamb after that.jrSmiley_18_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
9.2.45  Trout Giggles  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @9.2.44    2 weeks ago

I thought I broke my brother's arm with a package of frozen pork chops.

 
 
 
Ender
9.3  Ender  replied to  CB @9    3 weeks ago

I thought they were under investigation.

 
 
 
CB
9.3.1  CB   replied to  Ender @9.3    3 weeks ago

I think they are under investigation for finanical malfeasance of some such things, but not for lobbying, and not be being a "jerk" organization to Americans!

 
 
 
Texan1211
9.3.2  Texan1211  replied to  CB @9.3.1    3 weeks ago

Lobbying is not an offense, so no investigation would ever be warranted there.

The fact that you don't like them doesn't mean they are a "jerk" organization--that is just your opinion and irrelevant.

 
 
 
CB
9.3.3  CB   replied to  Texan1211 @9.3.2    3 weeks ago

Texan, please. Wayne LaPierre and the NRA are tired, haggarded, overachieved, and an "over-production." Hey! That's similar to Donald! Yeah, true dat!

The NRA fulfilled its mission a 100 years ago-when soldiers learned to shoot straight. If it refuses to accept its role as a support organization for guns, instead of coercing political leaders to career ending (or political hari kari th?id=OIP.TvULAmsGpsKNjAV_QDaPSAAAAA&w=1 ) then the organization is a menace to gun culture and society.

 
 
 
Texan1211
9.3.4  Texan1211  replied to  CB @9.3.3    3 weeks ago
Wayne LaPierre and the NRA are tired, haggarded, overachieved, and an "over-production." Hey! That's similar to Donald! Yeah, true dat!
The NRA fulfilled its mission a 100 years ago-when soldiers learned to shoot straight. If it refuses to accept its role as a support organization for guns, instead of coercing political leaders to career ending (or political hari kari ) then the organization is a menace to gun culture and society.

Overhyped nonsense. You don't like the NRA, then don't join.

I bet the NRA would be ecstatic to have half as much "power" you seem to believe it has.

Last I checked, politicians on both sides are free to support the NRA or not. Perhaps you mistake political actions for "being bought" because you have just decreed something the majority of our elected leaders have endorsed with our consent to be a danger to all.

Phfft.

 
 
 
cjcold
9.3.5  cjcold  replied to  CB @9.3.3    3 weeks ago

 Was a member of the NRA back in the day when their focus was on hunter safety. Now it seems that their focus is on selling guns and standing against any safe and sane firearm legislation. Still own a gun for every occasion but wish the NRA would try to be reasonable. Not everybody should own one.

 
 
 
Texan1211
9.3.6  Texan1211  replied to  cjcold @9.3.5    3 weeks ago

How many guns did the NRA sell last year?

Or any year?

 
 
 
JBB
9.3.7  JBB  replied to  Texan1211 @9.3.6    3 weeks ago

Since the NRA is the political lobby for the gun industry, "All Of Them!"

 
 
 
cjcold
9.3.8  cjcold  replied to  JBB @9.3.7    3 weeks ago

Even though I haven't been a member for many years, the NRA keeps sending me stuff.

All of their advertising these days is based on fear of the "other".

 
 
 
Texan1211
9.3.9  Texan1211  replied to  JBB @9.3.7    3 weeks ago

Laughable.

 
 
 
CB
9.3.10  CB   replied to  Texan1211 @9.3.4    3 weeks ago

I am sure I do not know what you are writing about at this point. If you don't have a clue to the problem of the NRA and its "strait-jacketing" of the Republican Party, then go get caught up. Check out 'El Rushbo.' Yeah. Good old Rusbo will catch you up to speed on what happens to a republican politician who raises his or her hand against the NRA/NRA-ILA (Lobby). Check it out!

 
 
 
Texan1211
9.3.11  Texan1211  replied to  CB @9.3.10    3 weeks ago

You're keeping me in stitches here.

 
 
 
Heartland American
9.3.12  Heartland American  replied to  CB @9.3.10    3 weeks ago

There’s no reason for anyone to be unnecessarily exposed to the leftist propaganda spewing from the mouths of Don Lemon, Chris Cuomo, Anderson Cooper or that stomach-churning morning show.

TRUMP CONDEMNS ‘WHITE SUPREMACY,’ CALLS FOR MENTAL HEALTH AND GUN REFORMS AFTER DOUBLE MASS SHOOTINGS

But I was especially disgusted by their coverage of the El Paso massacre. Americans were slaughtered in Texas by a domestic terrorist. But instead of mourning the dead, CNN welcomed Democrats onto the network to take turns whacking President Trump.

Former Texas Rep. Robert “Beto” Francis O’Rourke appeared on Jake Tapper’s “State of the Union” show Sunday to spread flat-out lies about President Trump.

At one point during the interview, Tapper asked the Democrat presidential candidate if he thought the president was a “white nationalist.”

“Yes, I do,” O’Rourke replied.

“Let's not mince words right now. This president is encouraging greater racism, and not just the racist rhetoric, but the violence that so often follows,” he went on to say.

Tapper did not push back. He did not ask for irrefutable evidence. He simply took O’Rourke’s answer as the gospel truth.

“We have a problem with white nationalist terrorism in the United States of America today,” O’Rourke told CNN.

The mainstream media seems hell-bent on trying to convince the nation that they elected a white supremacist who hates people of color. The truth is that President Trump is not a racist nor is he a white supremacist. But as the mainstream media demonstrated over the weekend, they will not allow the truth to get in the way of their agenda....https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/cnn-democrats-use-el-paso-massacre-to-take-cheap-shots-at-trump

 
 
 
Heartland American
9.3.13  Heartland American  replied to  Heartland American @9.3.12    3 weeks ago

And people wonder why Trump took shots at the lame stream fake news media...

 
 
 
CB
9.3.14  CB   replied to  Texan1211 @9.3.11    3 weeks ago

Yeah, stitches. Okay, that does not concern me.

 
 
 
CB
9.3.15  CB   replied to  Heartland American @9.3.12    3 weeks ago

Listen. People of color have eyes, ears, and minds. Donald Trump at best has been careless in how he deals with people—period. At worse, he tries to manipulate people in blank sight of others. As president, particularly as a novice president, it behooves Donald to try to learn the 'duties and responsibilities of the office. Familiarize himself with the history of other storied (and infamous) presidents; pitfalls and heights of Congressman; instead Donald Trump came in with a figurative bat behind his bat and proceeded to bludgeon and fire everyone who would not submit to his worldview; those who could not submit he simply fired as per his own private life and storied reality television experience. What am I saying? 

Donald Trump is not winning friends and influencing people—he is making profound enemies. The media owes Trump nothing. It never did! It never will! Those people are the fourth estate and not beholden in any way to the leadership of this country. From day one, Donald attempted to manipulate this estate and 'fronts' were established. Trump even initiated his own pre-packaged brand of news, 'Trumpian.' Ironically, in doing so he freed the fourth estate to not concern itself overly much with his point of view. Albeit, they try really hard to maintain a high standard with a leader who does not overly concern himself with veracity.

So yes! Trump past statements and histrionics at rallies are weighing heavy on the minds of politicians who see blood flowing in the streets back home—who happen to be presidential candidates this time around. The damage is 'worthy' this time. The outrage is pure. Emotions are raw. Everybody saw this coming from afar off—now Trump is in the thick of it. And so is good old "it shall not pass" Mitch McConnell in the thick of it too!

(It's late. I'm tired. I'm out.)

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
9.3.16  FLYNAVY1  replied to  cjcold @9.3.5    3 weeks ago

My father and I burned our NRA cards in 1985 when they came out in support of civilians having access to armor piercing ammunition. 

 
 
 
cjcold
9.3.17  cjcold  replied to  Heartland American @9.3.13    3 weeks ago
lame stream fake news media...

So you bury your head in the sand and watch nothing but Fox? How sad.

 
 
 
cjcold
9.3.18  cjcold  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @9.3.16    3 weeks ago

But my little black ranch rifle doesn't really like anything other than NATO 5.56 AP green tips. That's the ammo it was designed to shoot.

 
 
 
Heartland American
10  Heartland American    3 weeks ago

President Trump on Sunday forcefully denounced two mass shootings in Ohio and Texas, saying "hate has no place in our country." https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-declares-hate-has-no-place-in-our-country-as-dems-demand-recall-of-congress

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
10.1  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Heartland American @10    3 weeks ago

"Every extremist killing in the US in 2018 had a link to a right-wing extremism, according to a January 2019 report from the Anti-Defamation League's Center on Extremism.

The report zeroes in on incidents such as the high school shooting in Parkland, Florida, in February 2018, and the mass shooting at the Tree of Life synagogue in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, in October 2018.

There were at least 50 extremist-related killings in the US in 2018, according to the report, making it the fourth-deadliest year on record for domestic extremist-related killings since 1970."
https://www.businessinsider.com/extremist-killings-links-right-wing-extremism-report-2019-1

Some get all cautious when they see a hijab in a public space with lots of people. I get the same reaction when I see a MAGA hat or a skin head, and I make sure I know where all the exists are if it's a skin head wearing a MAGA hat.

"hate has no place in our country."

That's because Trump already filled it with his hate, so there's simply no more room to put the extra hate Trump inspires.

It's hilarious that some think Trump can just undo the constant anti-immigrant rhetoric he's been spouting since the 2016 campaign can just be washed away by his monotone denouncement of some generic "hate".

 
 
 
cjcold
10.1.1  cjcold  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @10.1    3 weeks ago
I make sure I know where all the exits are

Always a good idea.

 
 
 
cjcold
10.1.2  cjcold  replied to  cjcold @10.1.1    3 weeks ago

 Never walk into a room without knowing a few egress points.

 
 
 
CB
10.2  CB   replied to  Heartland American @10    3 weeks ago

I watched that old hypocritical fox decrying a loss of chicks, hens, and roosters! My, my, fox! What big teeth you have! I will be looking to see what the fox chews on Tuesday!

 
 
 
Heartland American
10.2.1  Heartland American  replied to  CB @10.2    3 weeks ago

I’ve got a new seed up that debunks all that blame the right wing malarkey 

 
 
 
CB
10.2.2  CB   replied to  Heartland American @10.2.1    3 weeks ago

Please stop. Where will I ever find the time to debunk your 'bunk'? Do you have a link to repentant forces on the Right? People are dead in El Paso who could probably be alive today - and all you are interested in is fake damage control? Seriously.

 
 
 
MrFrost
11  MrFrost    3 weeks ago
Trump Blames The Media For White Nationalist Violence

Well duh, you think trump will ever accept blame for anything, ever? Not going to happen. 

 
 
 
Heartland American
11.1  Heartland American  replied to  MrFrost @11    3 weeks ago

Why should he take the blame for things he had absolutely nothing to do with?  Shall we blame Sanders for the baseball shootings or Warren for the Ohio shootings. 

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
11.1.1  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  Heartland American @11.1    3 weeks ago
Why should he take the blame for things he had absolutely nothing to do with?

If you don't think that the President of the United States should be held to a higher standard by, AT THE VERY LEAST, commenting responsibly, then you have bigger problems than he does.  You sing his praises and wear your Christianity like an overcoat.  I can say with sincerity that your bible is vastly different from the one we had in our home when I was growing up. 

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
11.1.2  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Heartland American @11.1    3 weeks ago

"Why should he take blame for things he had absolutely nothing to do with"

it's almost as silly as blaming Trumppy for Obamas' good economy...

.

Trump has brought racism mainstream, with his actions, and his inactions, on various teachable incidents.

He is deserved of a Hell of a lot of blame that his thinly veiled racist dog whistles and sometime PA sysyems tweet out about.

Against Women, Latin Americans, Blacks, Muslims,and anybody else that isn't an old white male.

This potUS is one big FAIL ! 

 
 
 
MrFrost
11.1.3  MrFrost  replied to  Heartland American @11.1    3 weeks ago
Why should he take the blame for things he had absolutely nothing to do with?

Yet you and he have no problem heaping praise on him when he takes credit for something he had nothing to do with. 

Is he the president or not? He doesn't get to claim credit for all the good and then scream that all the bad is someone else's fault. Not the way it works. 

 
 
 
CB
11.1.4  CB   replied to  Heartland American @11.1    3 weeks ago

But he did have plenty to do with it! It is Donald Trump who "weaponized" Twitter! He reaches out and touches Americans intimately-in and out-of the political arena with his attempts to move public sentiment. Moreover, he is no pink foot baby to not know the difference. For three years straight an escalating sea of people have admonished Donald about his tactics and strategies making for a 'hard' landing some day for rank and file Americans! He charged ahead into the 'fray' anyway! One of the major rule of law is the leader must never place him or herself on the frontline taking in-coming! He disobeys this basic rule daily on Twitter!

 
 
 
dennis smith
11.1.5  dennis smith  replied to  MrFrost @11.1.3    3 weeks ago

Is he the president or not? He doesn't get to claim credit for all the good and then scream that all the bad is someone else's fault. Not the way it works. 

It worked that way for Obama.

 
 
 
Heartland American
11.1.6  Heartland American  replied to  dennis smith @11.1.5    3 weeks ago

indeed it did.  

 
 
 
cjcold
11.1.7  cjcold  replied to  dennis smith @11.1.5    3 weeks ago

But the Cheney/Bush administration was pure evil just like Trump. Obama was/is a good man.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
11.1.8  Trout Giggles  replied to  dennis smith @11.1.5    3 weeks ago

bull

 
 
 
Dulay
11.1.9  Dulay  replied to  Heartland American @11.1    3 weeks ago
Why should he take the blame for things he had absolutely nothing to do with?

You have GOT to be fucking kidding.

Trump has taken credit for shit that happened before he was in office.

Trump has taken credit for a plethora of things that he had NOTHING to do with. 

Trump has taken credit for shit that hasn't even happened here on Earth 1. 

So please DO explain to me why it's right for him to take the credit but not the blame? 

 
 
 
MrFrost
11.1.10  MrFrost  replied to  dennis smith @11.1.5    3 weeks ago

It worked that way for Obama.

Like the time Obama told the nation that windmills cause cancer? 

Oh wait.. 

 
 
 
dennis smith
11.1.11  dennis smith  replied to  cjcold @11.1.7    3 weeks ago

It was the same for Bush, Clinton etc. 

 
 
 
dennis smith
11.1.12  dennis smith  replied to  Trout Giggles @11.1.8    3 weeks ago

All Presidents have done the same, not just Trump and Obama and that is no bull

 
 
 
dennis smith
11.1.13  dennis smith  replied to  MrFrost @11.1.10    3 weeks ago

Like the time Obama said you can keep your doctor.

Face it, all politicians do the same thing when it suits their needs. 

 
 
 
CB
11.1.14  CB   replied to  dennis smith @11.1.13    3 weeks ago

Well, in some ways all presidents do "do" similar things. It really is not always about what "suits their needs."

One reason for this is the many political threats of being 'primaried' which come from political parties, and promises of loss of support from lobbyist/groups/corporations. Being president is certainly difficult in these modern times. Leaders usually are stretched thin in their ability to move or 'flex' because of all the eyeballs on their every recommendation and outcomes.

 
 
 
MrFrost
11.1.15  MrFrost  replied to  dennis smith @11.1.13    3 weeks ago

I know several people that used the ACA, all of them kept their doctors. 

 
 
 
Split Personality
11.1.16  Split Personality  replied to  MrFrost @11.1.15    3 weeks ago

So did I right up to Medicare, lol.

 
 
 
CB
11.1.17  CB   replied to  MrFrost @11.1.15    3 weeks ago

It was the doctors, who justifiably removed themselves from the program. That was their privilege and right. Of course! The right-wing 'talking machine' would never let Obama live it down (even though he is gone from the presidency) even as the program has settled in. Yet, these are the same conservatives who would cry a namecalling foul if someone says they carry out obstructionists tactics!

Privately, I firmly believe some conservative doctors removed themselves from the ACA program out of protest and not necessity. Thus, lending themselves as fodder for the right-wing talking machine.

 
 
 
dennis smith
11.1.18  dennis smith  replied to  CB @11.1.14    2 weeks ago

Spot on CB

 
 
 
dennis smith
11.1.19  dennis smith  replied to  MrFrost @11.1.15    2 weeks ago

Plain and simple, Obama lied. Denial is expected though

 
 
 
freepress
12  freepress    2 weeks ago

The Story of Three Scapegoats: Scapegoat #1 - Hillary/Clintons, Scapegoat #2 - Obama, Scapegoat #3 - Media.

End of Story.

 
 
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