EXCLUSIVE: Dayton Shooter Was in a “Pornogrind” Band That Released Songs About Raping and Killing Women

  
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EXCLUSIVE: Dayton Shooter Was in a “Pornogrind” Band That Released Songs About Raping and Killing Women
“It's like, Jesus Christ, how much of this was like real life for him?”“I took it all down. I'm trying to get everyone I know to take all of it down,” he said. “I don't want to be associated with it. I don't want it blowing up. I don't want him romanticized.

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EXCLUSIVE: Dayton Shooter Was in a “Pornogrind” Band That Released Songs About Raping and Killing Women




“It's like, Jesus Christ, how much of this was like real life for him?” he said.

In addition to scrubbing the internet of the band’s recordings, Creekbaum is reaching out to anyone who has hosted his songs or videos to ask them to remove those, too.

“It's like, Jesus Christ, how much of this was like real life for him?”

“I took it all down. I'm trying to get everyone I know to take all of it down,” he said. “I don't want to be associated with it. I don't want it blowing up. I don't want him romanticized. I don't want any of this romanticized. I want people to erase him from history.”


The Pornogrind scene


The Midwest pornogrind scene exists in an obscure pocket of the larger grindcore genre and consists of a handful of bands who often play shows to each other or to small audiences. Even better-known bands in the genre writ large, such as Germany-based  Cock and Ball Torture , have just thousands of Facebook fans.

Menstrual Munchies often performed with other regional acts like Necro Cannibal Ass Grinder, Bill Nye da Nazi Spy, and Cunt Torch, playing festivals like the  Pornfieldz of Illinoise Grindfest  or a former venue in Columbia, Missouri, called UPS — Under the Porn Shop, named for its location beneath the Venus Adult Megastore, owned by the mother of fellow scenester Zach Walton, of the band Groin Mallet.

In a phone interview, Walton, who has booked Menstrual Munchies at that venue, said the pornogrind scene is tight-knit and that he and his friends have been devastated to learn what Betts did. But he doesn’t believe the content of the music contributed in any way to his actions.

“It's just the music we love, you know, like, it's fun to play. It's energetic and there's nothing else like it. So we play it,” Walton, 29, said. “And then we get people like this, who, you know, are fucking sick in the head, who get into our scene and ended up killing nine people and almost, you know, putting a bad name on our scene. And that's not fair for the rest of us.”

Betts was not involved in any of the writing or recording and only performed as a live vocalist for Menstrual Munchies. Nevertheless, Creekbaum said he removed the band’s Facebook, Bandcamp and YouTube pages from the web. But a  saved version of the Bandcamp page  found on the Internet Archive reveals the sexually violent and demeaning album titles and artwork.


Many of the band’s songs are still active  on other websites . The members of Putrid Liquid did not respond to a request for comment sent through  their Bandcamp page , which is still active.

Creekbaum says he feels conflicted: On the one hand, he believes music and art do not cause people to commit murder, but on the other hand, he feels guilty for having associated with someone who carried out violence similar to the kind he portrayed in his songs.

Creekbaum said he contacted the Dayton police immediately after hearing the news, but said they hadn’t replied to him, although he said the FBI visited his home on Monday to interview him.

Betts' bizarre behavior


Looking back, there were clues something wasn’t right with Betts. Betts was a loner and emotionally withdrawn, Creekbaum and others in the scene told VICE News.

Creekbaum said Betts once brought a handgun on a tour to Iowa and suggested to others that they rob some gas stations — something Creekbaum said he chewed Betts out for but didn’t take seriously.

He said he and others had recently distanced themselves from Betts over his bizarre behavior, including talking in realistic terms about the violence depicted in the music, telling stories about his past methamphetamine use, and lying about having a criminal record.

He said Betts had also told them about a previously reported incident in which he was suspended from his high school for keeping a “hit list” and a “rape list” of classmates he wanted to commit violence against. And Betts had mentioned to Creekbaum that he was depressed. Still, Creekbaum said he did not think Betts was capable of this kind of slaughter.


“I think he decided that he was going to kill himself, and he was like, ‘I don't have the balls to do it’ and he drew a gun,” Creekbaum speculated.

The band hadn’t been active since Creekbaum found out in July that Betts had contacted showgoers online after a recent gig and asked them to send him money on PayPal, something Creekbaum found obnoxious.

The music was created to be controversial, Creekbaum said, inspired by the work of shock-rock acts like the Mentors and GG Allin. He often played fully naked wearing an executioner’s hood. In a video, they can be seen performing in nothing but Santa Claus beards and hats.

And if the goal was attracting controversy, they succeeded. Creekbaum said even some of his close friends found the misogynistic imagery to be too much. Now, the music is sure to be examined in a national conversation as social critics point to toxic masculinity as a root cause of mass gun violence.

Betts’ apparent political beliefs are also drawing scrutiny. He identified as an anti-fascist and slandered Nazis and gun violence in social media posts that have since been removed from Twitter and Facebook. Some on the political right have seized on that to infer his ideology was part of his motive.

The  anti-fascist extreme metal band Neckbeard Deathcamp was quick to distance Betts from their scene.


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“OH TURNS OUT THE DAYTON SHOOTER WAS LITERALLY CONNOR FUCKING BETTS,” Neckbeard Deathcamp wrote in a since-deleted tweet. “I DON'T KNOW IF I WOULD USE THE TERM LEFTIST TO DESIGNATE ONE OF THE DUDES IN MENSTRUAL MUNCHIES. ANTIFASCIST SURE. BUT NOT GREAT WITH WOMEN.”

“JUST ANOTHER DIME A DOZEN OHIO GRIND DUDE WHO CAPED PROGRESSIVE POLITICS WHILE TREATING WOMEN LIKE SHIT,” the band  continued in another tweet . The band followed  up with a thread  explaining they did not know Betts, although he did follow their account on Twitter.


Ryan Ward, of the Ohio-based Cunt Torch, a band that regularly played with Menstrual Munchies, likened the coming backlash to how Marilyn Manson and “South Park” were blamed for the Columbine shootings, although he acknowledged that it is somewhat different because a member of a band committed the heinous act, not just a fan.

Still, he says he finds it hard to believe the dehumanization portrayed in the music contributed to an environment in which Betts felt desensitized enough to commit actual violence himself, including shooting to death his own sister and her boyfriend, two of the victims of his rampage.

“Part of the music is you want to figure out ways to portray people as being dehumanized as much as possible or, you know, degraded. And sexual dehumanization and objectification is a big way of doing that,” Ward said. “If for some reason the music he made or whatever, somehow did do that for him, I feel that it's an exception, not the rule when it comes to people making this music.”

“I feel it’s our responsibility to make it a point to let people know that, no, this is not what we actually stand for,” he added. “Our songs aren't prophecies, you know, like, they're not fucking, ominous fucking messages that are supposed to come true. They're just songs.”


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JohnRussell
1  seeder  JohnRussell    4 months ago
he says he finds it hard to believe the dehumanization portrayed in the music contributed to an environment in which Betts felt desensitized enough to commit actual violence himself, including shooting to death his own sister and her boyfriend, two of the victims of his rampage. “Part of the music is you want to figure out ways to portray people as being dehumanized as much as possible or, you know, degraded. And sexual dehumanization and objectification is a big way of doing that,”

Creating "dehumanizing" music is playing with fire. "Cunt Torch" and "Menstrual Munchies" are good names for bands?  Is this really music? 

 
 
 
charger 383
1.1  charger 383  replied to  JohnRussell @1    4 months ago

On this, I agree with you very much

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
1.1.1  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  charger 383 @1.1    4 months ago

Agree with both of you.

 
 
 
Heartland American
1.2  Heartland American  replied to  JohnRussell @1    4 months ago

“Betts’ apparent political beliefs are also drawing scrutiny. He identified as an anti-fascist and slandered Nazis and gun violence in social media posts that have since been removed from Twitter and Facebook. Some on the political right have seized on that to infer his ideology was part of his motive.

The  anti-fascist extreme metal band Neckbeard Deathcamp was quick to distance Betts from their scene.”

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
2  Paula Bartholomew    4 months ago

It is not music, it is noise pollution. 

 
 
 
†hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh
3  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh    4 months ago

Black masks and cross-dressing? Antifa....

Oh no even CNN couldn't hide this guy was a leftist radical...

https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/05/us/connor-betts-dayton-shooting-profile/index.html

 
 
 
JohnRussell
3.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh @3    4 months ago

Based on the actual article, the CNN headline is ridiculous. Maybe they want to be "both sides".

This is the ENTIRETY of the portion of the article that specifically talks about him being "left"

( I bolded certain words)

A Twitter account that appears to belong to  Dayton mass shooter Connor Betts retweeted extreme left-wing and anti-police posts, as well as tweets supporting  Antifa , or anti-fascist, protesters.
The most recent tweet on the @iamthespookster account was on August 3, the day of the shooting, when he retweeted a post saying, "Millenials have a message for the Joe Biden generation: hurry up and die."
The user's Twitter bio reads: "he/him / anime fan / metalhead / leftist / I'm going to hell and I'm not coming back." One tweet used the hashtag #HailSatan.
That is extremely thin evidence that "leftism" motivated the shooting. In fact, later in the article it says this
authorities searching his family home found writings that expressed an interest in killing people, two law enforcement sources told CNN.
But the writings did not indicate any racial or political motive , sources said.
 
 
 
Heartland American
3.1.1  Heartland American  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1    4 months ago

So you are saying he was a looney lefty but his motivation to kill came from other impulses than his obvious political biases?  

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
3.1.2  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1    4 months ago

This is the entirety of the portion of the article

Imagine CNN not spending time exploring his support for Antifa.

I'm shocked!

 
 
 
Tacos!
4  Tacos!    4 months ago

There are some twisted people in this world. I can't even identify with these people as members of the same species.

 
 
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