Jeffrey Epstein died by suicide in Manhattan jail cell, autopsy report says

  
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Jeffrey Epstein died by suicide in Manhattan jail cell, autopsy report says
Epstein was not on suicide watch at the time of his death, even though he was found alone in his cell two weeks prior with marks on his neck.

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Aug. 16, 2019, 3:38 PM CDT  /  Updated Aug. 16, 2019, 4:31 PM CDT

By   Tom Winter, Rich Schapiro, Jonathan Dienst and Doha Madani


Jeffrey Epstein's death has been ruled a suicide by hanging, the   medical examiner's office   said Friday.

The determination capped days of speculation   and conspiracy theories   after the wealthy financier and accused sex trafficker was found unresponsive in his federal jail cell in lower Manhattan last Saturday.

The ruling wasn't unexpected: multiple law enforcement officials had previously told NBC News that Epstein's death was presumed to be a suicide.

The medical examiner's office completed an autopsy on Sunday but indicated it was waiting for more information from investigators before releasing its final determination. The autopsy revealed that Epstein had   broken a bone in his neck , a source told NBC News Thursday, an injury that can occur in a suicide by hanging.

The death sparked   harsh criticism of the federal prison system   and led former wardens and U.S. lawmakers to question how a high-profile inmate could get the opportunity to take his own life, especially after carrying out what was believed to be   a previous attempt .

"We are not satisfied with the conclusions of the medical examiner's office," Epstein's attorneys said Friday in a statement. "We will have a more complete response in the coming days."

Epstein, 66, was locked up in a special housing unit at the Metropolitan Correctional Center where he was supposed to be checked by guards every 30 minutes.



But a period of hours passed before correctional officers looked in on his cell, and investigators were probing whether they had fallen asleep, multiple officials have told NBC News.



The Justice Department, which oversees the federal prison system, took swift action. The facility's warden was ordered reassigned and the two guards tasked with watching Epstein were placed on leave in the days after the incident.

Attorney General William Barr has said there were "serious irregularities" at the federal jail and insisted investigators "will get to the bottom of what happened and there will be accountability."

"His safety was the responsibility of the MCC. It is indisputable that the authorities violated their own protocols," Epstein's attorneys, Martin G Weinberg, Reid Weingarten and Michael Miller, said in their statement. "The defense team fully intends to conduct its own independent and complete investigation into the circumstances and cause of Mr. Epstein’s death ..."

They added that they would take legal action if necessary to view prison security videos.

Epstein was arrested July 6 on sex trafficking and conspiracy charges. Prosecutors say he sexually abused dozens of underage girls at his homes in New York and Florida in the early 2000s. Epstein was also accused of paying his victims to recruit others, allowing him to build a vast network of girls to exploit.

His lawyers asked a judge to allow him to await trial under house arrest at his Manhattan mansion, but the request was denied.

Less than three weeks before his death, Epstein was found unresponsive in his cell, with marks around his neck, in what authorities were investigating as a suicide attempt.

He was placed under suicide watch in a special cell with near round-the-clock observation. But he was   removed less than a week later   and returned to the special housing unit, where he was held alone in his cell and apparently left unchecked for hours.

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TᵢG
1  seeder  TᵢG    one month ago

Suicide enabled by incompetence?

 
 
 
Tacos!
2  Tacos!    one month ago

I'm not normally the race card guy or the class warfare guy, but the coverage of this story bugs me. People die in local jails every day, and a huge number of them are people of color, or poor whites. No one seems to care. But this fancy white guy dies in jail and it's a national scandal. 

Not that people shouldn't care about this, but they should also care about all the people in custody who die by suicide or murder, get the hell beat out of them, get raped, or see their health fail because no one cares to treat them.

 
 
 
TᵢG
2.1  seeder  TᵢG  replied to  Tacos! @2    one month ago

I think the interesting part of this story is that a high-profile, well-connected, well-informed, desperate suicide-risk inmate somehow was able to kill himself.

It may just be incredible incompetence, but no way this will not be investigated further.

 
 
 
Raven Wing
2.1.1  Raven Wing  replied to  TᵢG @2.1    one month ago
desperate suicide-risk inmate somehow was able to kill himself.

That does indeed puzzle me as well. While the ME has now officially declared that Epstein died from suicide, we still don't know HOW he managed to hang himself. What did he use to hang himself? Why was it available in his cell? It is curious that guards that were supposed to keep a regular check on him went to sleep at the time Epstein was able to hang himself without anyone knowing. 

These are some questions that still need answers, at least for me. Something still smells fishy in NYC to me.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
2.1.2  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Raven Wing @2.1.1    one month ago

If there was something to tie it to, a pair of pants could be stretched out to act as a rope.

I agree that there are just too many anomalies here that indicate something was amiss.

 
 
 
Raven Wing
2.1.3  Raven Wing  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @2.1.2    one month ago
I agree that there are just too many anomalies here that indicate something was amiss.

If the prisoner was wearing a two piece prison outfit then It may be possible to use the shirt or pants as a rope like item to hang themselves with. But, many prisons issue a one piece outfit, so the entire item would have to come off in order to be used to hang themselves with. But, that is just a supposition on my part.

As it has not yet been revealed what was used by Epstein to hang himself, it leaves a question that should be answered. That it is not being revealed seems a bit odd, and remains suspicious.

 
 
 
Karri
2.1.4  Karri  replied to  Raven Wing @2.1.1    one month ago
These are some questions that still need answers,

Yes, there are still a lot of questions to be answered, but that does not include the manner of death.

I knew he was suicide risk the minute bail was denied.  I have investigated too many of them.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
2.2  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Tacos! @2    one month ago

All that matters is that pos child molester is dead.  Let God sort it out now.

 
 
 
Tacos!
2.2.1  Tacos!  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @2.2    one month ago

You determined that without a trial.

You also decided death was the appropriate sentence when our law does not even call for that.

 
 
 
Kathleen
2.2.2  Kathleen  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @2.2    one month ago

I feel the same way.  If he was not guilty, he would be fighting to prove his innocence.

 
 
 
MrFrost
2.2.3  MrFrost  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @2.2    one month ago

All that matters is that pos child molester is dead.  Let God sort it out now.

Hear hear.. 

 
 
 
MrFrost
2.2.4  MrFrost  replied to  Tacos! @2.2.1    one month ago
You also decided death was the appropriate sentence when our law does not even call for that.

Try this movie... It explains a lot, even if it was a low budget movie with luke warm acting. 

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0076706/

The point being that even criminals see child molesters as the lowest of the low. Had Epstein been thrown in prison, he would have been dead in days and I am sure he knew that. His guilt or innocence isn't really at issue because he has been known to be a pedo for decades, he just had not been caught. 

 
 
 
Tacos!
2.2.5  Tacos!  replied to  MrFrost @2.2.4    one month ago

The fact that I place a priority on equal justice before the law for all people in no way should be construed as some kind of endorsement or excusing of criminal behavior.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
2.2.6  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Tacos! @2.2.1    one month ago

I didn't decide on death, Epstein did.  He was his own judge, jury, and executioner.  I would have preferred that he went to trial so that all of the shit could come out.  Heads would have rolled, careers would be ruined, and the mighty would fall.  Epstein took all of that off of the table.

 
 
 
MrFrost
2.2.7  MrFrost  replied to  Tacos! @2.2.5    one month ago

The fact that I place a priority on equal justice before the law for all people in no way should be construed as some kind of endorsement or excusing of criminal behavior.

Nor did I claim you did. I was simply pointing out that pedo's don't do well in prison. 

 
 
 
Kathleen
2.3  Kathleen  replied to  Tacos! @2    one month ago

I have to agree that it’s not fair to put so much attention on one death and not the others. Unfortunately, that is the way it is in this world.  People can be very shallow and impressionable.

 
 
 
Karri
2.4  Karri  replied to  Tacos! @2    one month ago
they should also care about all the people in custody who die by suicide or murder, get the hell beat out of them, get raped, or see their health fail because no one cares to treat them.

OMG, we agree!  I have had to investigate far too many of them.

 
 
 
Kathleen
4  Kathleen    one month ago

I think too many peoples lives depended on what this guy knew. I am sure he could name many important people that would be destroyed by his testimony. Many of whom were with underaged girls (real sick by the way).  So I think they gave him the opportunity to go through with it. This might be physically by his hands, but mentally by others.

 
 
 
WallyW
5  WallyW    one month ago

Too many unanswered questions,

It still looks like 'assisted' suicide.

 
 
 
MrFrost
5.1  MrFrost  replied to  WallyW @5    one month ago

It still looks like 'assisted' suicide.

How so? As Lady In Black pointed out, he could have used his jumpsuit. Rip it into strips, tie it together, done deal. One sleeve around his neck, the other around the bars. 

Try to remember, many that commit suicide by hanging, aren't found, "hanging" from anything. Robin Williams had a rope tied to a doorknob, up over the top of the door. He put the rope around his neck while on his knees and simply leaned forward. 

 
 
 
lady in black
5.1.1  lady in black  replied to  MrFrost @5.1    one month ago

Logic bad, conspiracy theories good

 
 
 
WallyW
5.1.2  WallyW  replied to  MrFrost @5.1    one month ago

He put the rope around his neck while on his knees and simply leaned forward. 

That's called asphyxiation. Would not have generated enough force to break neck bones.

They haven't yet explained just how he did it.

Orr what he was wearing.

 
 
 
MrFrost
5.1.3  MrFrost  replied to  WallyW @5.1.2    one month ago
That's called asphyxiation. Would not have generated enough force to break neck bones.

Not all hanging's break the neck. Some just stop off the stool, so I guess that's just asphyxiation as well? You are just mincing words. 

 
 
 
WallyW
5.1.4  WallyW  replied to  MrFrost @5.1.3    one month ago

You are just mincing words. 

Nope!

Just using reason and common sense

This suicide* is simply too convenient and unbelievable to pass muster

Someone  else had to be involved

 
 
 
Karri
5.1.5  Karri  replied to  WallyW @5.1.2    one month ago
That's called asphyxiation.

Most likely, the cause of death is asphyxiation 2/2 hanging.  I have seen this far too often and had to be the one to sign the death certificate.

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
5.1.6  Freedom Warrior  replied to  WallyW @5.1.4    one month ago

If people are not skeptical of this sucide then they have no reasonably measurable cognitive ability.

 
 
 
Karri
5.1.7  Karri  replied to  Freedom Warrior @5.1.6    one month ago

Or we have had a lot of experience investigating all five manners of death.

 
 
 
Ronin2
5.1.8  Ronin2  replied to  lady in black @5.1.1    one month ago

Assisted suicide would also be if they take someone they know is suicidal off of suicide watch; and give them ample opportunity to succeed. 

 
 
 
Ozzwald
5.1.9  Ozzwald  replied to  MrFrost @5.1    one month ago
Rip it into strips, tie it together, done deal. One sleeve around his neck, the other around the bars. 

Not impossible, but this isn't the old west.  Unlikely there were actual "bars" there to tie the rope to, most likely just a locked metal door. 

That is the question I have been asking myself, what did he tie the other end to that was high enough to allow him to hang from?

 
 
 
katrix
5.1.10  katrix  replied to  WallyW @5.1.4    one month ago
This suicide* is simply too convenient and unbelievable to pass muster Someone  else had to be involved

Conspiracy theorists are alive and well ... is there ever any fact you'd accept?

My SIL committed suicide in what sounds like the exact same fashion - while in a psych ward and being checked every 15 minutes. Stop reading so much InfoWars.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
5.1.11  Ozzwald  replied to  katrix @5.1.10    one month ago
Conspiracy theorists are alive and well ... is there ever any fact you'd accept? My SIL committed suicide in what sounds like the exact same fashion - while in a psych ward and being checked every 15 minutes. Stop reading so much InfoWars.

You are of course correct on the fact that it is possible that it is exactly what it is being reported as, BUT not enough info has been released to make a decision one way or another.  But there are plenty of questions out there still unanswered...

  • His lawyers indicated he was not in a suicide frame of mind, and in fact hopeful for a new defense strategy.
  • Many billionaires, or just very wealthy, believe that laws don't apply fully to them, with that attitude why would he think he would go down for these crimes?
  • Did his guards sleep each night, or did they both go to sleep on just this one particular night?
  • To break some of the bones in his neck, he would have to drop at least a little distance, simply leaning forward would not do it.
  • What was he hanging from/with?

There are many questions about this, especially when some of the most power people in the country, even some that are charged with overseeing his incarceration, are also named as people connected with Epstein socially.

Odds are more than likely that you are correct, it is all as it appears, but not enough info has been released yet to show that as definitive.  Still a lot of unanswered questions.

 
 
 
Karri
5.1.12  Karri  replied to  Ozzwald @5.1.9    one month ago
That is the question I have been asking myself, what did he tie the other end to that was high enough to allow him to hang from?

The door handle would be enough (depending on the type of door handle.)  I know of multiple completed suicides by hanging that involved plumbing.  Light fixtures are also another possibility.  I would have to see a picture of the cell to be more specific.

It takes very little pressure to complete a suicidal hanging; it doesn't have to be very high.

 
 
 
Karri
5.1.13  Karri  replied to  Ozzwald @5.1.11    one month ago
he was not in a suicide frame of mind, and in fact hopeful

OMG, that is SUCH a red flag.  It may mean that the person has made the decision to suicide and now feel hopeful that their troubles will soon end.

Many billionaires, or just very wealthy, believe that laws don't apply fully to them, with that attitude why would he think he would go down for these crimes?

The fact that he was denied bail should have told him how serious this was.  Plus, if he had honest lawyers (oxymoron?), they should have told him he had little way out of this.

Apparently, the jail was understaffed and the guards worked double and triple shifts.  Did they sleep on duty on a regular basis?  I don't know but I am sure it is being looked into.  However, I am sure the staffing issues played a role in the death (and the sleepy guards.)  It is well known that, on psych units, suicides are most likely to occur when staffing is limited, such as nights and during change of shift.

When you hear hooves, think horses, not unicorns.  Most likely this was a suicided compounded by poor staffing.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
5.1.14  Trout Giggles  replied to  Karri @5.1.13    one month ago
His lawyers indicated he was not in a suicide frame of mind, and in fact hopeful for a new defense strategy.

I was going to ask you about that. I thought I read somewhere that once a person has made up their mind to kill themselves they get "happy".

Also, if one jerks oneself forward violently, it's possible to break a neck bone

 
 
 
Ozzwald
5.1.15  Ozzwald  replied to  Karri @5.1.12    one month ago
The door handle would be enough (depending on the type of door handle.)

To cause him to die, yes.  To break the bones in his throat, no.

I would have to see a picture of the cell to be more specific.

Precisely.  More info is needed.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
5.1.16  Ozzwald  replied to  Karri @5.1.13    one month ago
When you hear hooves, think horses, not unicorns.  Most likely this was a suicided compounded by poor staffing.

As I said, I agree with you.  However, without more information there are definitely questions that need to be answered before a definitive decision can be made.

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
5.1.17  Freedom Warrior  replied to  Karri @5.1.7    one month ago

There is no "we" here Kimosabe.  They fell asleep while the dude screamed.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
5.1.18  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  WallyW @5.1.2    one month ago

It was how David Carridine died...auto erotic asphyxiation.

 
 
 
Karri
5.1.19  Karri  replied to  Trout Giggles @5.1.14    4 weeks ago
once a person has made up their mind to kill themselves they get "happy".

Yes, absolutely.  I've actually stopped a couple of suicides because the person became happy for no discernable reason.  

When I was investigating completed suicides, I would have loved ones tell me "But it couldn't have been suicide.  S/He was so happy the past few days."   It's been hard for them to hear what a clear red flag that was.  (Sometimes I wouldn't say anything, though, if I felt it would hurt too much.)

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
5.1.20  Trout Giggles  replied to  Karri @5.1.19    4 weeks ago

I'm not a psychologist but I like to play on the internet. I've read that the "happiness/contentment" comes in to play because the person has finally made a decision and are content with it. Of course, there's a lot of other stuff involved

 
 
 
katrix
5.1.21  katrix  replied to  Trout Giggles @5.1.20    4 weeks ago
I've read that the "happiness/contentment" comes in to play because the person has finally made a decision and are content with it

This is very true. During my brother's (and their kids') last visit with his wife, she was very happy and content - so they thought she was getting better.

15 minutes later after they left, she was dead.

 
 
 
lady in black
6  lady in black    one month ago

Items he could have used:  jumpsuit, separate top or bottom, sheet, and underwear.  

If one really wants to die they will find a way.  

I don't give in to any of the conspiracy theories. 

 
 
 
WallyW
6.1  WallyW  replied to  lady in black @6    one month ago

I don't give in to any of the conspiracy theories. 

Except Trump colluding with the Russians? jrSmiley_100_smiley_image.jpg

Even his lawyers don't buy into this simplistic explanation

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
6.1.1  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  WallyW @6.1    one month ago

I will take the word of any medical examiner over a lawyer.

 
 
 
Karri
6.1.2  Karri  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @6.1.1    one month ago
I will take the word of any medical examiner over a lawyer.

Agree.  Manner and cause of death are medically determined conclusions, not legal one.

 
 
 
Karri
6.2  Karri  replied to  lady in black @6    one month ago
Items he could have used: 

I have seen pantyhose used, too.  (Although, I doubt pantyhose was used in this case.)

I don't give in to any of the conspiracy theories.

Neither do I.  I've seen this so many times.  IMO, suicide is the proper manner.

 
 
 
It Is ME
7  It Is ME    one month ago

"Jeffrey Epstein died by suicide in Manhattan jail cell, autopsy report says"

Oh Well. Couldn't have happened to a better guy.

Now let's get on with the investigation of who else was involved !

That's what I'm willing to "Sit" for awhile and make popcorn over . 

 
 
 
MrFrost
7.1  MrFrost  replied to  It Is ME @7    one month ago
Now let's get on with the investigation of who else was involved !
Suicide is the act of intentionally causing one's own death . [7] Mental disorders, including depression , bipolar disorder , schizophrenia , personality disorders , anxiety disorders , and substance abuse —including alcoholism and the use of benzodiazepines —are risk factors. [2] [4] [8] Some suicides are impulsive acts due to stress, such as from financial difficulties, troubles with relationships, or bullying. [2] [9] Those who have previously attempted suicide are at a higher risk for future attempts. [2] Effective suicide prevention efforts include limiting access to methods of suicide—such as firearms , drugs, and poisons; treating mental disorders and substance misuse; proper media reporting of suicide; and improving economic conditions. [2] [10] Even though crisis hotlines are common, there is little evidence for their effectiveness. [11] [12]

Suicide is a solo act, so not sure who else can be involved. 

 
 
 
It Is ME
7.1.1  It Is ME  replied to  MrFrost @7.1    one month ago
Suicide is a solo act, so not sure who else can be involved. 

I was speaking of the case he was originally put in jail for.

 
 
 
WallyW
7.1.2  WallyW  replied to  MrFrost @7.1    one month ago

Suicide is a solo act, so not sure who else can be involved.

The person or persons who assisted or allowed him to it

 
 
 
Karri
7.2  Karri  replied to  It Is ME @7    one month ago
the investigation of who else was involved !

Agreed.  Anyone who abused those children deserves to spend the rest of their lives in jail.  I don't care about their politics or their position in life.  Child molesters will not get any sympathy from me.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
7.3  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  It Is ME @7    one month ago

Make it a jumbo buttered and I will bring the beer.

 
 
 
It Is ME
7.3.1  It Is ME  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @7.3    one month ago

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Colour Me Free
8  Colour Me Free    one month ago

Here is my conspiracy ...

  I question the coroners report  .. it was supposedly hours that he had not been checked on, yet he is 'found hanging' then transported by EMS to New York Downtown hospital in cardiac arrest at 6:30am - then pronounced dead by hospital staff...?

 .. it is said Epstein was found dead in his cell after hanging himself with a sheet .. so was it death by hanging or cardiac arrest?  Perhaps the job was completed in the ambulance on the way to the hospital, or at the hospital breaking the hyoid?  : )

 
 
 
Karri
8.1  Karri  replied to  Colour Me Free @8    one month ago
so was it death by hanging or cardiac arrest?

Cardiac arrest is what happens when you die; it is not an official cause of death.

Also, it is important to point out that very few people can pronounce death.  Jail guards are not in that group.

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
9  Thrawn 31    one month ago

Meh, a dead child molester is a dead child molester. 

 
 
 
Sparty On
10  Sparty On    one month ago

Well, it’s easy to have little sympathy for this POS but that’s beside the point.    Lady justice is not suppose to be emotional or biased.    And is suppose to protect everyone equally.    POS or not.

The cogent part of this discussion is how a clear suicide risk was allowed to off himself.    It raises a plethora of questions.     No doubt about it 

 
 
 
Karri
10.1  Karri  replied to  Sparty On @10    one month ago

Agree.  He should have been on a 1:1 suicide watch the minute he was denied bail.  

 
 
 
Sparty On
10.1.1  Sparty On  replied to  Karri @10.1    one month ago

Or at minimum, after he already attempted suicide once ....

 
 
 
Karri
10.1.2  Karri  replied to  Sparty On @10.1.1    one month ago

Well, he was placed on suicide precautions then, but the big question is -- why was the SP removed?

 
 
 
Sparty On
10.1.3  Sparty On  replied to  Karri @10.1.2    one month ago

Exactly.  

Incompetent at best, purposeful at worst.

 
 
 
Karri
10.1.4  Karri  replied to  Sparty On @10.1.3    one month ago

I don't know if it was purposeful, but incompetent?  Hell, yes.

 
 
 
Sparty On
10.1.5  Sparty On  replied to  Karri @10.1.4    one month ago
I don't know if it was purposeful

True but clearly it should be investigated to find out if it was.   This wasn't John Q Nobody.   A lot of people had a lot to lose related to this guy.

 
 
 
katrix
10.2  katrix  replied to  Sparty On @10    one month ago
The cogent part of this discussion is how a clear suicide risk was allowed to off himself.

Yep. Someone did not do their job. It may not be possible to prevent it when someone is really determined - but they apparently made no effort at all.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
11  Jeremy Retired in NC    4 weeks ago

Not losing any sleep over the suicide of a pedophile.  He just saved the taxpayers millions.

 
 
 
Sparty On
12  Sparty On    4 weeks ago

Now there's issues with the surveillance video around his cell.

This whole thing is beginning to smell more and more like week old stink fish

 
 
 
1stwarrior
12.1  1stwarrior  replied to  Sparty On @12    4 weeks ago

Awww - don't badmouth BF thataway - he bathes daily - not necessarily in clean water - but he bathes.

 
 
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