Women ask Supreme Court to toss topless ban: Why are rules different for men?

  
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Women ask Supreme Court to toss topless ban: Why are rules different for men?
Their rallying cry is "Free the Nipple," a global motto for females seeking equal treatment.

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By Pete Williams

WASHINGTON — Three New Hampshire women are asking the U.S. Supreme Court to declare that a city ordinance banning women from appearing topless in public violates the Constitution by treating men and women differently.

Their rallying cry is "Free the Nipple," a global motto for women seeking equal treatment.

The case began in 2016 when Ginger Pierro did her yoga exercises topless at a lakeside beach in Laconia and was arrested for violating a city ordinance banning public nudity, including "the showing of the female breast with less than a fully opaque covering any part of the nipple."

Three days later two other women, Heidi Lilley and Kia Sinclair, went to the same beach, appearing topless to protest the arrest. They, too, were charged with violating the nudity law.

All three challenged their convictions but lost in the New Hampshire courts. Now they're asking the Supreme Court to hear their appeal when the court's new term begins in October.

They say topless bans are discriminatory because men can appear in public without their shirts. The bans also further the "sexualized objectification of women," according to their Supreme Court legal brief.

The New Hampshire Supreme Court rejected their challenge, acknowledging that the law treats men and women differently.

But it said the sexes "are not fungible" with respect to the traditional understanding of what constitutes nudity. Public exposure of the female breast "almost invariably conveys sexual overtones," the state court said. Most lower courts have come to the same conclusion.

But in February, the federal appeals court for the Tenth Circuit struck down a topless ban in Fort Collins, near Denver.

The ruling found no justification for treating men and women differently when they wish to bare their chests. Society's sexualization, the court said, "has engrained in us the stereotype that the primary purpose for women's breasts is sex, not feeding babies." Such a stereotype, the ruling said, "serves the function of keeping women in their place."

The Supreme Court will likely announce in early October whether it will hear the case.

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TᵢG
1  seeder  TᵢG    one month ago

Well … uh … what was the question again?

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
1.1  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  TᵢG @1    one month ago

I don't think anyone wants to see old women walking around topless, but, well.....otherwise no problem for younger women as long as they wear a hijab as well.  After all, their desire is to declare, establish and prove their freedom so they should balance it with a symbol of suppression and submission.

 
 
 
MrFrost
1.1.1  MrFrost  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @1.1    one month ago
I don't think anyone wants to see old women walking around topless, but, well.....otherwise no problem for younger women as long as they wear a hijab as well.

So women can only go topless if YOU approve? Guessing equality isn't an issue for you. If it's good for one, it should be good for all, what you think is, "a nice set of tits", be damned. This isn't about what YOU like. 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
1.1.2  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  MrFrost @1.1.1    one month ago

Here's to you MISTER Frost....

512

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
1.1.3  sandy-2021492  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @1.1    one month ago
I don't think anyone wants to see old women walking around topless,

I don't want to see pasty, fat old men walking around topless, either, but they seldom consult me about it before they do.

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.1.4  Tessylo  replied to  sandy-2021492 @1.1.3    one month ago

They should have a speedo ban.  

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
1.1.5  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  sandy-2021492 @1.1.3    one month ago

I agree with you, but that's not the topic. 

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
1.1.6  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @1.1    one month ago

What about all of the overweight men with moobs in banana hammocks on the beach?  It is not a pretty sight.

 
 
 
Raven Wing
1.1.7  Raven Wing  replied to  sandy-2021492 @1.1.3    one month ago
but they seldom consult me about it before they do.

Why can men walk around any time they please, any where they please, and it is just fine. But, if a woman does it she gets arrested for indecent exposure. 

And no, I am not the least bit interested in seeing women walking around topless, but, it is the Misogynous hypocrisy of the law.

I have seen men with bigger boobs than some women out walking around as free as you please. Very disgusting.

 
 
 
Freefaller
1.1.8  Freefaller  replied to  sandy-2021492 @1.1.3    one month ago
I don't want to see pasty, fat old men walking around topless, either, but they seldom consult me about it before they do.

Lol I agree fat, pasty, all wrinkly, liver spots all over, grey back hair sticking out everywhere.  Now imagine that wearing a yellow banana hammock cause I've seen it (still gives me the willies)

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
1.1.9  Freedom Warrior  replied to  Raven Wing @1.1.7    one month ago

So do you revel at the sight of hard body nipples of men in public? Or women for that matter?

 
 
 
Kathleen
1.1.11  Kathleen  replied to  Raven Wing @1.1.7    one month ago

Don’t forget the potbellies.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
1.1.12  sandy-2021492  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @1.1.5    one month ago

Whether the skin shown is esthetically pleasing isn't the topic, either.  It's legal for men, and there's no good reason it shouldn't be legal for women, too.

Of course, hijab isn't the topic, either.

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
1.1.13  Freedom Warrior  replied to  sandy-2021492 @1.1.12    one month ago
and there's no good reason it shouldn't be legal for women, too.

You can't be fucking serious.  They had a good enough reason when they passed the law.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
1.1.14  sandy-2021492  replied to  Freedom Warrior @1.1.13    one month ago

Care to tell us what that reason is?

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
1.1.15  Freedom Warrior  replied to  sandy-2021492 @1.1.14    one month ago

Better that you tell me.

 
 
 
luther28
1.1.16  luther28  replied to  sandy-2021492 @1.1.3    one month ago
"I don't think anyone wants to see old women walking around topless,
I don't want to see pasty, fat old men walking around topless, either, but they seldom consult me about it before they do."

Touche, Sandy :)

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
1.1.17  sandy-2021492  replied to  Freedom Warrior @1.1.15    one month ago

Pretty much as I thought. Your comment, as usual, was not intended to contribute anything of value to the discussion.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
1.1.18  Trout Giggles  replied to  sandy-2021492 @1.1.3    one month ago

And I sure as hell don't want to see topless men in their beater pick-up trucks driving around town

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.1.19  Tessylo  replied to  Trout Giggles @1.1.18    one month ago

With their truck nuts hanging off the rear view mirror or license plates?

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
1.1.20  Trout Giggles  replied to  Tessylo @1.1.19    one month ago

Those, too! LOL!

 
 
 
Raven Wing
1.1.21  Raven Wing  replied to  Kathleen @1.1.11    one month ago
Don’t forget the potbellies.

OMG....I've seen some men that need suspenders just to hold up their pot bellies. Ugh!

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
1.1.22  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  sandy-2021492 @1.1.3    one month ago

I'm with you Sandy

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
1.1.23  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @1.1.5    one month ago

But it is Buzz. It is about that the human body, be it male or female should be treated in the same manner. 

 
 
 
Freefaller
1.1.24  Freefaller  replied to  sandy-2021492 @1.1.14    one month ago
Care to tell us what that reason is?

Since you're unlikely to get a straight forward answer from FW I'm gonna guess the reason is puritanical institutional misogyny.

 
 
 
Tacos!
1.1.25  Tacos!  replied to  Tessylo @1.1.19    one month ago
truck nuts

speaking of things that should be banned . . . 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
1.1.26  Trout Giggles  replied to  Freefaller @1.1.24    one month ago
puritanical institutional misogyny.

that's 3X too many big words

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
1.1.27  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Raven Wing @1.1.21    one month ago

Want a real eye opener when it comes to inappropriate dress, try The People Of Walmart videos on YT.

 
 
 
Drakkonis
1.1.28  Drakkonis  replied to  Raven Wing @1.1.7    one month ago
...but, it is the Misogynous hypocrisy of the law.

I don't see how such laws are misogynous or hypocrisy. As I understand it, misogyny is the dislike of, contempt for, or ingrained prejudice against women. I don't see that as the basis of any law concerning this. Nudity laws, as I understand them in general, prohibit the public exposure of sexual organs, for what I hope are reasons that do not need to be explained. Most civilizations have considered women's breasts as sexual organs. So it seems to me the law is recognition of normal sexual mores of the society, not a conscience effort due to dislike of, contempt for, or ingrained prejudice against women. 

Men find women's breasts sexually arousing. As far as I know, women do not seem to have the same preoccupation with topless males. At least, I've never heard of such. If it should come to be that women can go topless, then there's really little point in restricting them from going bottomless as well, for the reason already mentioned. And this is why it really isn't hypocrisy, either. Since societies do not sexualize male chests the way it does females, they aren't exposing sexual organs. If males got to expose their sexual organs but not women, that would be hypocrisy. 

 
 
 
MrFrost
1.1.29  MrFrost  replied to  Drakkonis @1.1.28    one month ago
Nudity laws, as I understand them in general, prohibit the public exposure of sexual organs, for what I hope are reasons that do not need to be explained.

As I said below, breasts are not required for reproduction, therefore they are not sex organs. 

 
 
 
Drakkonis
1.1.30  Drakkonis  replied to  MrFrost @1.1.29    one month ago
As I said below, breasts are not required for reproduction, therefore they are not sex organs. 

Tell that to nearly every society that has ever been. Whether or not it is required for reproduction isn't the determining factor. Whether the organ is involved with sex is. Hence, a sexual organ. And don't blame me for my opinion. It is an established fact that women's breasts are a hardwired biological sexual trigger for men. It isn't anyone's fault. It is less than realistic to ask half the population to stop being attracted to them. Especially in a hypersexualized society such as ours. 

 
 
 
MrFrost
1.1.31  MrFrost  replied to  Drakkonis @1.1.30    one month ago
It is an established fact that women's breasts are a hardwired biological sexual trigger for men.

Perhaps here in the USA, but in Europe, not so much. Hell, even in Russia they are pretty lax about women going topless. 

As I said before, how men may feel about looking at boobs isn't really the fault of the woman, so why should she have to be covered up when it's the men who seem to have the problem with women going topless? 

 
 
 
Freefaller
1.1.32  Freefaller  replied to  Drakkonis @1.1.30    one month ago
Whether the organ is involved with sex is. Hence, a sexual organ.

Lol so we should all cover our lips then?

 
 
 
Drakkonis
1.1.33  Drakkonis  replied to  MrFrost @1.1.31    one month ago
Perhaps here in the USA, but in Europe, not so much. Hell, even in Russia they are pretty lax about women going topless.

You are not addressing my point. That they are more lax in Europe doesn't detract from the reality that it is still a sexual trigger for men. 

As I said before, how men may feel about looking at boobs isn't really the fault of the woman, so why should she have to be covered up when it's the men who seem to have the problem with women going topless?

To answer, let's try to put the question the other way round. 

How women may feel about looking at penises isn't really the fault of men, so why should he have to be covered up when it's the women who seem to have the problem with men letting their junk hang out? Basically, it's the argument against speedo's, which in my opinion, should be illegal in public except in swimming competitions or similar events. 

Of course, all this is my opinion on this subject. I understand not everyone will agree but I think the reason for their not agreeing isn't quite what they think it is. If you have been reading through the various comments being made about this, the one point of agreement is that nobody wants to see fat people, male or female, topless. They are making fun of such people. Apparently, the only people that should be seen topless are sexually attractive people. And it doesn't even have to be topless. How many jokes have you heard about fat people wearing spandex? Apparently, only people who are sexually attractive are suitable candidates for spandex. 

Personally, I'm not comfortable with going shirtless in public so I don't do it, and not because I have a problem with body image. I might take out the garbage shirtless occasionally, but not very often. I usually put one on first. About the only suitable place for it is swimming for the most part. If anything, if this really needs to be an issue, I would say ban men from going shirtless in most public situations rather than let women go topless. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
1.1.34  Vic Eldred  replied to  sandy-2021492 @1.1.3    one month ago

Well said Sandra. What do we have here 3 women?  Case dismissed!

 
 
 
XDm9mm
1.1.35  XDm9mm  replied to  MrFrost @1.1.31    one month ago
Hell, even in Russia they are pretty lax about women going topless. 

Hell, most Russian men are so drunk, they think they see 8 boobs per person.   It's a turn off as they think they're looking at a pig.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
1.1.36  sandy-2021492  replied to  Drakkonis @1.1.30    one month ago
It is less than realistic to ask half the population to stop being attracted to them.

I am attracted to really nice pecs and abs.  Most straight women I know are, too.  By that logic, we should require men to wear shirts, by law.  Especially those who spend time in the gym.  Women like me can't be expected to stop being attracted to well-toned male bodies, so those men should be jailed for displaying themselves.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
1.1.37  XDm9mm  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @1.1.27    one month ago
Want a real eye opener when it comes to inappropriate dress, try The People Of Walmart videos on YT.

PAULA!!!   Do you want people to go blind??  jrSmiley_86_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
MrFrost
1.1.38  MrFrost  replied to  XDm9mm @1.1.35    one month ago
Hell, most Russian men are so drunk, they think they see 8 boobs per person.   I

<chuckle> Yer not wrong. LOL +1

 
 
 
Raven Wing
1.1.39  Raven Wing  replied to  sandy-2021492 @1.1.36    one month ago
I am attracted to really nice pecs and abs.

I like a man with some meat on his bones, all well distributed throughout. Snuggling to a skeleton is not my idea of comfort. 

However, there is a difference between meat and flab. I want to buy a man a shirt by the size, not by the pound. jrSmiley_78_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
MrFrost
1.1.40  MrFrost  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @1.1.27    one month ago

Want a real eye opener when it comes to inappropriate dress, try The People Of Walmart videos on YT.

Yea, we have a wal-mart in town that is that way. I am sure I could walk in there wearing nothing but a jock strap, flip flops and a tool belt and no one would say a word. 

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
1.1.41  sandy-2021492  replied to  Raven Wing @1.1.39    one month ago

I don't like a skeleton, either.  I like some muscle - not a guy who's muscle-bound like a bodybuilder or anything, and he also doesn't have to have < 5% body fat.  If he looks like I could take him in an arm wrestle, I'm not interested.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
1.1.42  Jack_TX  replied to  Tessylo @1.1.4    one month ago
They should have a speedo ban.  

We have found something upon which we agree fully.

Outstanding!

Drinks are on me.  

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
1.1.43  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  sandy-2021492 @1.1.12    one month ago
"Of course, hijab isn't the topic, either."

Ah, but freedom as opposed to suppression and submission is.  My comment speaks of balance. 

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
1.1.44  sandy-2021492  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @1.1.43    one month ago

Sure, Buzz.

The pattern continues.

 
 
 
TTGA
1.1.45  TTGA  replied to  XDm9mm @1.1.35    one month ago
Hell, most Russian men are so drunk, they think they see 8 boobs per person.   It's a turn off as they think they're looking at a pig.

Considering the looks of many Russian women, they may be right.

I think that the guy (and I'm pretty sure it was a guy) who somehow convinced  a group of otherwise intelligent women that the way to show that you were a FEMINIST and EQUAL TO MEN was to walk around in public half naked really missed his calling.  He should have been selling air conditioning to Eskimos.  He'd have made a bundle.

 
 
 
Drakkonis
1.1.46  Drakkonis  replied to  sandy-2021492 @1.1.36    one month ago
I am attracted to really nice pecs and abs.  Most straight women I know are, too.  By that logic, we should require men to wear shirts, by law.  Especially those who spend time in the gym.  Women like me can't be expected to stop being attracted to well-toned male bodies, so those men should be jailed for displaying themselves.

Yes. That is why I think men should have the same restrictions as women. But men would work around them the same way women do. But at least they'd be wearing something. It's only fair, right? 

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
1.1.47  Freedom Warrior  replied to  sandy-2021492 @1.1.17    one month ago

  Yet your completely fucking idiotic comment was?  [deleted]

 Maybe you would like me to answer that question for you too.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
1.1.48  Trout Giggles  replied to  Drakkonis @1.1.28    one month ago
women do not seem to have the same preoccupation with topless males.

I've been known to swoon at a pair of well toned pectorals.....

 
 
 
MrFrost
1.1.49  MrFrost  replied to  TTGA @1.1.45    one month ago
Considering the looks of many Russian women, they may be right.

I don't know, I have seen some damn good looking Russian women. Example. Svetlana on Shameless. 

https://www.imdb.com/name/nm3019617/?ref_=tt_cl_t11

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
1.1.50  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Freefaller @1.1.8    one month ago

Since I lost over 100 lbs, my stomach looks like a shar pei dog.  Even if it were lawful to go out without a shirt on, there is no way I would subject the visually non impaired world to that sight.

 
 
 
Freefaller
1.1.51  Freefaller  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @1.1.50    one month ago
Since I lost over 100 lbs

Congratulations!

my stomach looks like a shar pei dog.

Lol, hopefully time will help with that (or surgery if you are so inclined) 

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
1.1.52  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Freefaller @1.1.51    one month ago

At my age (67) it would be a waste of money even if I could afford it.

 
 
 
Kathleen
1.1.53  Kathleen  replied to  Raven Wing @1.1.39    one month ago

I do too, I like something to cuddle up to.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
1.1.54  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  XDm9mm @1.1.35    4 weeks ago

 they think they're looking at a pig

Or a Picasso painting.

 
 
 
dennis smith
1.1.55  dennis smith  replied to  sandy-2021492 @1.1.3    4 weeks ago

Allowing anyone to wear any clothes or not and all will be equal.

 
 
 
MrFrost
1.1.56  MrFrost  replied to  Drakkonis @1.1.33    4 weeks ago
To answer, let's try to put the question the other way round. 

Why? I presented the argument in a logical order. No need to flip it around. 

How women may feel about looking at penises isn't really the fault of men, so why should he have to be covered up when it's the women who seem to have the problem with men letting their junk hang out? Basically, it's the argument against speedo's, which in my opinion, should be illegal in public except in swimming competitions or similar events. 

A penis is a sexual organ, boobs aren't so the likelihood that men going bottomless in public will never even come up. 

Of course, all this is my opinion on this subject. I understand not everyone will agree but I think the reason for their not agreeing isn't quite what they think it is. If you have been reading through the various comments being made about this, the one point of agreement is that nobody wants to see fat people, male or female, topless. They are making fun of such people. Apparently, the only people that should be seen topless are sexually attractive people. And it doesn't even have to be topless. How many jokes have you heard about fat people wearing spandex? Apparently, only people who are sexually attractive are suitable candidates for spandex. 

I get your point and as I pointed out below, there is room for tongue-n-cheek comments. Without joking, I seriously don't care how old a woman is if she wants to go topless, (18+ of course). Boobs are big, small, perky, not so perky, big nipples, small nipples, etc...It doesn't matter, the point is that if a woman wants to go topless, she should be able to.....legally.

I agree that there are women that probably should avoid spandex, but if I see a large woman in Wal-Mart wearing spandex, it's not really my place to point it out OR complain. Just because *I* don't like it doesn't mean *SHE* can't wear it. 

Personally, I'm not comfortable with going shirtless in public so I don't do it, and not because I have a problem with body image. I might take out the garbage shirtless occasionally, but not very often. I usually put one on first. About the only suitable place for it is swimming for the most part.

I had nine abdominal surgeries in 2 years. I have LOTS of scars, so I get it. I still almost never wear a shirt around the house or outside doing yard work but that's mostly because my neighbors can't even see me. If my neighbors wife comes over to BS, I throw a shirt on. 

If anything, if this really needs to be an issue, I would say ban men from going shirtless in most public situations rather than let women go topless. 

I disagree. Why punish both sexes because women want to go topless. Much easier to just tell them to go for it. And honestly, if they DID remove the law, how many women do you think are going to run around topless the next day? A handful at most. 

 
 
 
Jack_TX
1.2  Jack_TX  replied to  TᵢG @1    one month ago
Well … uh … what was the question again?

jrSmiley_86_smiley_image.gif

Well done.

 
 
 
JBB
2  JBB    one month ago

With America in the throws of an obesity crisis perhaps what we really need is to require that men with more than an A cup cover-up and maybe try lifting up their massive pendulous breasteses. Nobody wants to see your fatass juggs fellas...

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
2.1  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  JBB @2    one month ago
Nobody wants to see your fatass juggs fellas...

Hahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

My dad had a set of mitties you had to see to believe.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
2.1.1  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @2.1    one month ago

If I could find it and knew how to paste a picture, I would choose one of the guy from the first Borat movie.  He was naked chasing Borat also naked.  It is the grossest case of moobs that I have ever seen.  Dolly Parton would look flat chested compared to him.

 
 
 
Kathleen
2.1.2  Kathleen  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @2.1.1    one month ago

I saw that movie, it was hilarious.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
2.1.3  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Kathleen @2.1.2    one month ago

Yes it was and you know just what guy I am referring to.

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
2.1.4  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @2.1.1    one month ago

Maybe not what you are looking for, but it does make a point.  Or two.

 
 
 
†hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh
2.1.5  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @2.1.4    one month ago

MAN BOOBS MOOBS!

Well done as this example also has the phenomena known as side boobs.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
2.1.6  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @2.1.4    one month ago

Someone pass the eye bleach please.

 
 
 
Kathleen
2.1.7  Kathleen  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @2.1.3    one month ago

Yes and he was pretty rude.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
2.1.8  Trout Giggles  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @2.1.4    one month ago

Doesn't that violate the TOS or something?

j/k

 
 
 
Raven Wing
2.1.9  Raven Wing  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @2.1.4    one month ago

OMG Sister....that is totally gross.....but...also totally hilarious. jrSmiley_91_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Kathleen
2.1.10  Kathleen  replied to  Raven Wing @2.1.9    one month ago

That would be in my worst nightmare. jrSmiley_85_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Ozzwald
2.1.11  Ozzwald  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @2.1.4    one month ago

Fat man Slow motion

Maybe not what you are looking for, but it does make a point.  Or two.

Oh god I looked!!!!

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MrFrost
2.1.12  MrFrost  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @2.1.4    one month ago

His chest reminds me of my x mother in laws ass. 

 
 
 
XDm9mm
2.1.13  XDm9mm  replied to  MrFrost @2.1.12    one month ago
His chest reminds me of my x mother in laws ass.

Uhmmmm....    that really begs the question;

How the hell did you get a gander at your "X-M-I-L's" ass?

Then the answer to that question will necessitate answering the following.

Was it by accident or on purpose??

 
 
 
MrFrost
2.1.14  MrFrost  replied to  XDm9mm @2.1.13    one month ago

She liked spandex.. It was.....gross. 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
2.1.15  Trout Giggles  replied to  MrFrost @2.1.14    one month ago
She liked spandex.

Yes....that is definitely how you knew your MIL's ass. Spandex doesn't hide a GD thing

 
 
 
TTGA
2.2  TTGA  replied to  JBB @2    one month ago
With America in the throws of an obesity crisis perhaps what we really need is to require that men with more than an A cup cover-up and maybe try lifting up their massive pendulous breasteses.

I'm pretty sure that message has already been delivered.  I've been stuck in line at Disney World behind a woman with an at least 80 inch hip line and wearing (ugh) spandex.

 
 
 
MrFrost
2.2.1  MrFrost  replied to  TTGA @2.2    one month ago

If she floats an air biscuit, many will die...run for your life! 

 
 
 
MrFrost
3  MrFrost    one month ago

Breasts are not required for reproduction and the "rule" is that reproductive organs need to be covered in public. 

I know this article has a lot of potential for some, "tongue and cheek" comments, but...from a scientific standpoint, there is no reason why a woman should not be able to go topless in public. 

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
3.1  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  MrFrost @3    one month ago
from a scientific standpoint, there is no reason why a woman should not be able to go topless in public. 

Scientific, schmientific.  You just want to see boobies every time you leave the house.

 
 
 
MrFrost
3.1.1  MrFrost  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @3.1    one month ago
You just want to see boobies every time you leave the house.

Well duh... When it comes to boobs I am like a woman in a shoe store, "I want to see every pair!!!!!!!". 

 
 
 
TᵢG
3.1.2  seeder  TᵢG  replied to  MrFrost @3.1.1    one month ago

How very strange.   jrSmiley_100_smiley_image.jpg

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
3.1.3  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  TᵢG @3.1.2    4 weeks ago

And disturbingly funny.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
3.2  Trout Giggles  replied to  MrFrost @3    one month ago

Breasts were designed to offer sustenance. Men were the ones who decided that breasts are a sex object.

Ever see the movie "Who's Talking?"

John Travolta sees a nice pair of breasts and asks the baby "Are you thinking what I'm thinking?"

And the baby replies "Yeah...lunch!"

 
 
 
TᵢG
3.2.1  seeder  TᵢG  replied to  Trout Giggles @3.2    one month ago
Men were the ones who decided that breasts are a sex object.

We did not decide that.   We actually have no idea why we are so fascinated with breasts.  All that we know is that we are.   

Not a choice, not a decision; we were born this way.

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Trout Giggles
3.2.2  Trout Giggles  replied to  TᵢG @3.2.1    one month ago

That's your story and you're sticking to it, eh?

 
 
 
TᵢG
3.2.3  seeder  TᵢG  replied to  Trout Giggles @3.2.2    one month ago

Yup, not our choice.   We are cursed with this by nature; that damn Y chromosome I suppose.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
3.2.4  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  TᵢG @3.2.3    one month ago

Tig,

It is cultural. In France entire families got to the beach topless and I didn't see fathers looking at their teenage daughters in any sexual way. 

 
 
 
Tacos!
3.2.5  Tacos!  replied to  Trout Giggles @3.2    one month ago
Men were the ones who decided that breasts are a sex object.

That's right. There was much debate and disagreement. Elbows were also on the agenda. In the end, though it was a close vote, we decided breasts would be a sex object and elbows would not. Not everyone agreed, but we stand by the process.

 
 
 
Raven Wing
3.2.6  Raven Wing  replied to  Trout Giggles @3.2    one month ago
John Travolta sees a nice pair of breasts and asks the baby "Are you thinking what I'm thinking?" And the baby replies "Yeah...lunch!"

Yes indeed, and I saw that movie! It's one of my favorites. And that part in the movie always has me in stitches no matter how many times I watch it.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
3.2.7  Trout Giggles  replied to  Tacos! @3.2.5    one month ago

You and TiG are cracking me up. I'm glad you guys took my comment in the good natured way it was intended.

 
 
 
TᵢG
3.2.8  seeder  TᵢG  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @3.2.4    one month ago
I didn't see fathers looking at their teenage daughters in any sexual way.

I would hope not.

Now, how did the fathers look at other women on the beach?   

 
 
 
Raven Wing
3.2.9  Raven Wing  replied to  Tacos! @3.2.5    one month ago

In Japan, the nape of the woman's neck was what was considered sexy, not the boobs. That is why the Geisha's word their Kimonos with the back of the neck exposed and their boobs fully covered.

In some other cultures, it was the ankles that were considered sexy and not the boobs. I think that was because women were required to wear long dresses, but, low necklines were acceptable. So when a woman's ankle was accidentally exposed men got all excited.

 
 
 
Raven Wing
3.2.10  Raven Wing  replied to  TᵢG @3.2.8    one month ago
Now, how did the fathers look at other women on the beach?

Depends on how henpecked they are, and how good at acting they are. jrSmiley_82_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
TᵢG
3.2.11  seeder  TᵢG  replied to  Raven Wing @3.2.9    one month ago

Forbidden fruit.   While that is true, I am willing to bet that most men would prefer to see boobs over ankles and boobs over nape of necks.    All good, but some parts are more ... interesting ... than others.

 
 
 
†hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh
3.2.12  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh  replied to  TᵢG @3.2.11    one month ago
  All good, but some parts are more ... interesting ... than others.

I my self prefer the soft area of the inside arm opposite of the elbow in the crease. It was always hard at large events where people were asked to raise their hands. I then chubbed up so now I avoid events that involve exposed inner arms.

 
 
 
Kathleen
3.2.13  Kathleen  replied to  TᵢG @3.2.8    one month ago

My mother would say to my father... I can hear your eyeballs clicking in their sockets.

 
 
 
MrFrost
3.2.14  MrFrost  replied to  Trout Giggles @3.2    one month ago
Men were the ones who decided that breasts are a sex object.

True and it was most likely a, "save me from myself" law. 

 
 
 
MrFrost
3.2.15  MrFrost  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @3.2.4    one month ago
In France entire families got to the beach topless and I didn't see fathers looking at their teenage daughters in any sexual way. 

True. It's a cultural thing. In Europe walking around topless may not be a routine thing, but they certainly don't flip out when a woman goes topless on the beach. 

 
 
 
MrFrost
3.2.16  MrFrost  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @3.2.4    one month ago
and I didn't see fathers looking at their teenage daughters in any sexual way. 

I cannot even imagine seeing my teen daughter topless... That would be years of therapy. 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
3.2.17  Trout Giggles  replied to  MrFrost @3.2.14    one month ago

I don't doubt it....rofl

 
 
 
Raven Wing
3.2.18  Raven Wing  replied to  TᵢG @3.2.11    one month ago
All good, but some parts are more ... interesting ... than others.

Very true. Customs and cultures around the world at different times in history have given way to what is popular today. But, it is interesting to see how different female body parts were sexual turn stimulants over time. 

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
3.2.19  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @3.2.4    one month ago
It is cultural. In France entire families got to the beach topless and I didn't see fathers looking at their teenage daughters in any sexual way. 

Years ago, Air France needed borrow one of Continental's 727s and 2 complete flight crews to go with it.  We ferried the plane to Haiti and spent 2 days flying passengers to and from the various islands.  We stayed in a fabulous resort that was protected by a 12-ft wall, and our rooms had individual courtyards that opened up onto the most beautiful beach I had ever seen.  Slightly shocked, I was, by the amount of buck-nekkid that seemed to be everywhere.  We had to remember that to them, it wasn't a nude beach or a topless beach; it was just a beach.  It took a few minutes to acclimate.  After that, I could carry on a conversation with completely naked Pappy and keep my eyes on his face.  Of course they were both spinning in one eye socket.

Did I?  No.  Did anyone else on our crew?  No.  Did the pilots pester the crap out of us with the 'when in Rome' mantra.  Of course.  We told them that we would if they did first.  Cowards.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
3.2.20  sandy-2021492  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @3.2.19    one month ago

A few years ago, I had an employee who had spent her high school years living in Ireland.  I had just visited there, and commented on how hardy the Irish are - swimming when it was maybe in the upper 60s, and the water was too cold for me to wade in ankle deep.  She said it was customary there to carry one's bathing suit to the beach and change there.  No changing room required.  Just strip down and suit up in front of God and everybody.  She said she was pretty shocked her first few trips to the beach.

 
 
 
Tacos!
4  Tacos!    one month ago

It's just a social norm, that's all. People don't want to see that shit. And speaking for myself, I don't want to see your man-nipples either. What makes anyone think that body part is so attractive that it needs to be on display?

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
4.1  Trout Giggles  replied to  Tacos! @4    one month ago

Gynecomastia on a man is extremely unattractive. I've seen it on boys as young as 13

 
 
 
Raven Wing
4.1.1  Raven Wing  replied to  Trout Giggles @4.1    one month ago
Gynecomastia

I've seen that on a few men. Some look like they had breast implants.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
4.1.2  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Trout Giggles @4.1    one month ago

There is a medication (I forget which one) that causes gynecomastia in young males.  They usually end up getting medically reduced.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
4.1.3  Trout Giggles  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @4.1.2    one month ago

I think it's the medication used for ADD and ADHD.

When I first heard about this side effect, I thought maybe that drug had female hormones in it...to calm the boys.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
5  Bob Nelson    one month ago
Such a stereotype, the ruling said, "serves the function of keeping women in their place."

Hey!

It's an old-white-guy, kinder-küche-kirche country, so what do you expect?

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
5.1  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Bob Nelson @5    one month ago

Our "place" is anywhere we wish to be.

 
 
 
Raven Wing
5.1.1  Raven Wing  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @5.1    one month ago
Our "place" is anywhere we wish to be.

Exactly. 

 
 
 
Kathleen
5.1.2  Kathleen  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @5.1    one month ago

I think if a man said that to me, my foot would be in another place.

 
 
 
Raven Wing
5.1.3  Raven Wing  replied to  Kathleen @5.1.2    one month ago
I think if a man said that to me, my foot would be in another place.

Mine would certainly be in a place the man would not like, and be more than a little 'uncomfortable'.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
5.1.4  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Kathleen @5.1.2    one month ago

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squiggy
6  squiggy    one month ago

Free the Nipple

Not quite 'Live Free or Die' but it would fit on a license plate.

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
7  Freedom Warrior    one month ago

I'll bet you I don't.  How much you want to wager?

 
 
 
Tessylo
7.1  Tessylo  replied to  Freedom Warrior @7    one month ago

Who are you talking to?

 
 
 
Kathleen
8  Kathleen    one month ago

I was thinking about children that are exposed to it. If they do allow this, they should warn parents that this particular beach shows nudity.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
8.1  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Kathleen @8    one month ago

That is why clothing optional beaches here do just that.

 
 
 
Kathleen
8.1.1  Kathleen  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @8.1    one month ago

Good.

 
 
 
Raven Wing
8.2  Raven Wing  replied to  Kathleen @8    one month ago

Black's Beach in San Diego is the only nude/nudist beach in So Calif. There is plenty of notice provided to notify potential beach goers of that fact. 

 
 
 
†hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh
8.2.1  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh  replied to  Raven Wing @8.2    one month ago
Black's Beach in San Diego is the only nude/nudist beach in So Calif. 

I went there once, but they made me leave because i wasn't black.

 
 
 
MrFrost
8.2.2  MrFrost  replied to  Raven Wing @8.2    one month ago

Black's Beach in San Diego is the only nude/nudist beach in So Calif. There is plenty of notice provided to notify potential beach goers of that fact. 

Been there, done that, got the sunburned protein geyser to prove it. 

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
8.2.3  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Raven Wing @8.2    one month ago

There used to be one near SF but it went away.  I believe the one in Summerland (near Santa Barbara) still exists though.

 
 
 
luther28
9  luther28    one month ago

Ah, a nipple by any other name.

I see no difficulties here, after all we all have them. Though as many have mentioned there are those I am better off not having seen.

 
 
 
†hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh
10  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh    one month ago

All should be able to go topless, but please people have some shame. If you are a slob, keep it covered.

 
 
 
luther28
10.1  luther28  replied to  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh @10    one month ago
"If you are a slob, keep it covered"
Mirror check prior to leaving home is mandatory, if you are offended by what you see others certainly will be as well.

 
 
 
†hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh
10.1.1  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh  replied to  luther28 @10.1    one month ago

Floppy dog ears, waist curtains, and hairy areolas should remain in the dark.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
10.1.2  Trout Giggles  replied to  luther28 @10.1    one month ago

It's funny you said that. The last thing I do before I pick up my purse and keys is check the mirror before I leave the house. Just in case...

 
 
 
luther28
10.1.3  luther28  replied to  Trout Giggles @10.1.2    one month ago

Based on the shall we say varying types of attire, I wish more folks would my eyes can only absorb so much :)

The compression middie wearers in particular, please scope out that mirror :)

 
 
 
Gordy327
10.2  Gordy327  replied to  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh @10    one month ago

The solution is simple: hot ladies with big boobs can go topless. All others are denied. jrSmiley_16_smiley_image.gifjrSmiley_4_smiley_image.png

 
 
 
MUVA
10.2.1  MUVA  replied to  Gordy327 @10.2    one month ago

I agree 100%

 
 
 
†hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh
11  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh    one month ago

I once saw a man breastfeeding in a grocery store

512

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
11.1  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh @11    one month ago

EWWWWWWWW

 
 
 
MrFrost
11.1.1  MrFrost  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @11.1    one month ago

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
11.2  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh @11    one month ago

Ok, that is so wrong, even for you.  Bad fish!  Bad fish!

 
 
 
†hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh
11.2.1  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @11.2    one month ago

I'm reporting you to the twitter horde of sjw's. Transphobia!

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
11.2.2  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh @11.2.1    one month ago

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Raven Wing
11.2.3  Raven Wing  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @11.2.2    one month ago

I'm still hoping one day the old Fish will come back. jrSmiley_89_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
†hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh
11.2.4  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh  replied to  Raven Wing @11.2.3    one month ago

just put the fish in a box and put it in the top of the closet. Once it smells, it has returned.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
11.2.5  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh @11.2.4    one month ago

Or just turned?

 
 
 
Citizen Kane-473667
12  Citizen Kane-473667    one month ago

Ban ALL clothes to reduce crime...nowhere to hide the weapon! jrSmiley_79_smiley_image.gif

Seriously though, it is time we stopped thinking there is anything wrong with nudity, in any form. It is leftovers from the Puritanical past generations. Don't want to see those floppy tits or low-hanging balls, then don't look at them. Why do I have to sweat my ass off when you can simply look away???

 
 
 
MrFrost
12.1  MrFrost  replied to  Citizen Kane-473667 @12    one month ago
low-hanging balls

Just wanted to say thanks for helping me with my diet. 

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
12.2  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Citizen Kane-473667 @12    one month ago

Do you know who the most popular man at a nudist colony is?

He is the one who can carry a dozen doughnuts and two cups of coffee at the same time.

 
 
 
Citizen Kane-473667
12.2.1  Citizen Kane-473667  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @12.2    one month ago

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Paula Bartholomew
12.2.2  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Citizen Kane-473667 @12.2.1    4 weeks ago

I wasn't sure anyone would get that.

 
 
 
Citizen Kane-473667
12.2.3  Citizen Kane-473667  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @12.2.2    4 weeks ago

The lucky women there will! jrSmiley_7_smiley_image.png

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
12.2.4  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Citizen Kane-473667 @12.2.3    4 weeks ago

Do you know why men drive cars to a nudist colony?

Because they always have somewhere to hang their keys.

 
 
 
dave-2693993
13  dave-2693993    one month ago

Nothing like pulling that bowtie string right there.

800

 
 
 
Tessylo
13.1  Tessylo  replied to  dave-2693993 @13    one month ago

That has nothing to do with this thread. 

Stop bragging

 
 
 
dave-2693993
13.1.1  dave-2693993  replied to  Tessylo @13.1    one month ago

Who are you?

I'll let TiG be the judge of that, taking all current posts in to consideration.

 
 
 
MUVA
13.1.2  MUVA  replied to  dave-2693993 @13.1.1    one month ago

You should post off topic when ever you want.jrSmiley_100_smiley_image.jpg

 
 
 
Kathleen
13.1.3  Kathleen  replied to  dave-2693993 @13.1.1    one month ago

Hopefully she tied it in a double knot  : )

 
 
 
dave-2693993
13.1.4  dave-2693993  replied to  Kathleen @13.1.3    one month ago

LOL

 
 
 
Tessylo
13.1.5  Tessylo  replied to  dave-2693993 @13.1.1    one month ago

You're just bragging how you take advantage of two women.  

 
 
 
dave-2693993
13.1.6  dave-2693993  replied to  Tessylo @13.1.5    one month ago

Another who turns X into Y.

Carry on.

 
 
 
It Is ME
14  It Is ME    4 weeks ago

Show us your TITS !

On Second thought …………...

512

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
14.1  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  It Is ME @14    4 weeks ago

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Thrawn 31
15  Thrawn 31    4 weeks ago

Its a fair question. 

 
 
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