Trump's Baseless Election Fraud Claim Zooms From 3 Million To 16 Million Votes

  
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Trump's Baseless Election Fraud Claim Zooms From 3 Million To 16 Million Votes

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Trump's Baseless Election Fraud Claim Zooms From 3 Million To 16 Million Votes



710c91c0-4b9c-11e7-8912-374be9390b1b_H-1   Mary Papenfuss, HuffPost   11 hours ago







5d5b32872400003900b060a6.jpg President  Donald Trump  has more than quintupled down on his baseless claims of shady voting to explain why he lost the popular vote to Democrat  Hillary Clinton   in 2016 — and this time he blamed Google.Trump has repeatedly insisted — with no evidence — that 3 million (maybe as many as 5 million) votes were illegally cast by noncitizens. Three million happens to be close to Clinton’s popular vote margin over Trump. But now Trump is insisting that up to 16 million votes were manipulated by Google to Clinton’s benefit.

“My victory was even bigger than thought!” he gushed on Twitter.


The claim comes just days after Ellen Weintraub, the chair of the  Federal Election Commission , wrote a letter to the president telling him to  shut up about his vote-fraud claims  or come up with evidence that there’s any truth to them. Trump established an  investigative panel  on voter fraud to substantiate his claims in 2017, but it came up with nothing and disbanded.

Weintraub warned that Trump’s unsubstantiated claims undermine faith in the election system. She said she was using words a “former casino operator” could understand: “You need to lay your cards on the table — or fold.”

Instead of folding, Trump raised.

Trump’s new claim was apparently  sparked by a Fox Business report  Monday about psychologist Robert Epstein’s research. He recently testified before senators that his research has shown that Google’s search algorithms may have “impacted undecided voters in a way that gave at least 2.6 million votes to Clinton.” His study sample, however,  involved just 95 voters,  21 of whom considered themselves undecided.

Google denied that its search algorithms are politically biased and has said that Epstein’s study methodology was fatally flawed.

“This researcher’s inaccurate claim has been  debunked since it was made in 2016, ” Google said in a statement to CNBC. “As we stated then, we have never re-ranked or altered search results to manipulate political sentiment.”

Clinton made much of the 21 undecided voters in Epstein’s research in a Twitter clapback.












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Hillary Clinton

@HillaryClinton








The debunked study you’re referring to was based on 21 undecided voters. For context that’s about half the number of people associated with your campaign who have been indicted. https:// twitter.com/realDonaldTrum p/status/1163478770587721729 






Donald J. Trump

@realDonaldTrump



Wow, Report Just Out! Google manipulated from 2.6 million to 16 million votes for Hillary Clinton in 2016 Election! This was put out by a Clinton supporter, not a Trump Supporter! Google should be sued. My victory was even bigger than thought! @ JudicialWatch











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Tessylo
1  seeder  Tessylo    one month ago

Trump’s new claim was apparently sparked by a Fox Business report Monday about psychologist Robert Epstein’s research. He recently testified before senators that his research has shown that Google’s search algorithms may have “impacted undecided voters in a way that gave at least 2.6 million votes to Clinton.” His study sample, however, involved just 95 voters, 21 of whom considered themselves undecided.

Google denied that its search algorithms are politically biased and has said that Epstein’s study methodology was fatally flawed.

“This researcher’s inaccurate claim has been debunked since it was made in 2016,” Google said in a statement to CNBC. “As we stated then, we have never re-ranked or altered search results to manipulate political sentiment.”

 
 
 
freepress
2  freepress    one month ago

As always attacking the straw dog, instead of facing and dealing with foreign hackers and foreign in influence in American elections. Google doesn't control voting machines or control fake ads placed on social media.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
2.1  Trout Giggles  replied to  freepress @2    one month ago
Google doesn't control voting machines or control fake ads placed on social media.

Exactly!

Even if Google did "manipulate" people into voting for Clinton, how is that any different than the Koch brothers using dark money to buy ads to manipulate people into voting for their candidates?

 
 
 
SteevieGee
2.2  SteevieGee  replied to  freepress @2    one month ago

It's perfectly legal to try to influence voters as long as you are American.  Trump does it every day.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
3  Paula Bartholomew    one month ago

Trump has accused Google about this just like he accuses the Clintons in regards to Epstein with no proof in either case.  Color me so not surprised.  This clown has got to go.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
4  Vic Eldred    one month ago

"voting to explain why he lost the popular vote to Democrat Hillary Clinton in 2016 — and this time he blamed Google.Trump has repeatedly insisted — with no evidence — that 3 million (maybe as many as 5 million) votes were illegally cast by noncitizens."


Trump has no evidence of illegals voting because nobody knows the truth! I have an idea! California should turn over it's voter rolls to the national voter fraud commission. There is nothing like transparency is there?

Until then anybody can claim that California is allowing illegal aliens to vote. That's why it's a solid blue state and ya, it looks like Trump is right again!

 
 
 
Tessylo
4.1  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @4    one month ago

He's 'right', alt-right, but never correct.  

 
 
 
Steve Ott
4.2  Steve Ott  replied to  Vic Eldred @4    one month ago
Trump has no evidence of illegals voting because nobody knows the truth!

Then why make the claim? Kobach tried his thing in Kansas and the court told him to go back and learn the law. So no, it doesn't look like Trump is right again, if ever.

Trump only says things his base wants to hear. Truth and rightness have nothing to do with it.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
4.2.1  Vic Eldred  replied to  Steve Ott @4.2    one month ago
Then why make the claim?

He has every right. It's on California. They can easily prove him wrong - provided they aren't doing what it's soooo obvious they are doing!

 
 
 
Tessylo
4.2.2  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.2.1    one month ago

What is it that's so obvious that they are doing?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
4.2.3  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @4.2.2    one month ago

It's like when certain people on NT vote up their own comments. It's there to see if you take the time to look.

 
 
 
Tessylo
4.2.4  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.2.3    one month ago

I don't get the comparison.  [Deleted]

By the way, I only vote up my own articles, not my comments.  

 
 
 
Steve Ott
4.2.5  Steve Ott  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.2.1    one month ago
They can easily prove him wrong

And why exactly is is incumbent on California to prove his statement wrong? He can't, or won't, provide anything that substantiates his claim, so he has effectively made it point of he said, she said.

I can just as easily say that millions of people voted twice to elect Trump and leave it at that. Is it then incumbent on Trump to prove me false? NO, unless I provide facts and figures. Then it would be on him to disprove my statement.

 
 
 
Tessylo
5  seeder  Tessylo    one month ago

So you're going with all those illegal immigrants voted for Hillary?

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Vic Eldred
5.1  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @5    one month ago

I happen to believe that illegals are voting in CA elections. It's a firm conviction of mine.

 
 
 
r.t..b...
5.1.1  r.t..b...  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.1    one month ago
I happen to believe that illegals are voting in CA elections. It's a firm conviction of mine.

So the definition of the 'missing link'.

This guy is laying the groundwork for a possible 2020 defeat...does anyone really think he will 'go gentle into that good night'? And we think it couldn't get any worse...

 
 
 
Tessylo
5.1.2  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.1    one month ago

Your 'firm conviction' is nonsense and unsupportable.  

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
5.1.3  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  r.t..b... @5.1.1    one month ago
.does anyone really think he will 'go gentle into that good night'? And we think it couldn't get any worse...

Considering what he has already done to our country, there is no way he will be a gracious loser.

He has given classified information to the heads of foreign countries and/or their representatives.  He has alienated our allies while supporting the actions of dictators.  (On a side note, if this fool says 'I got a lovely, beautiful letter from Kim Jung Un' one more time, I'm going to lose what's left of my shit.  He's getting suckered by someone who is much, much smarter than he is, and he too narcissistic to realize it.)

Where was I?  Oh, yeah...  Another thing is that Trump is a HUGE pay-back guy.  It is mentioned in some form in most of 'his' books.  It would mean nothing to him to sabotage something that would ruin (more) lives, or make the country suffer in some way if her were not re-elected.

I wasn't a big fan of his impeachment, but I am now.

 
 
 
r.t..b...
5.1.4  r.t..b...  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @5.1.3    one month ago
I wasn't a big fan of his impeachment, but I am now.

As am I. Fully aware that he will never be convicted in the Senate, but let the House be unafraid in pursuing it. If for no other reason than to let that be the caveat defining his tenure for future generations to understand and hopefully never replicate. The Office demands a level of respect for all it's citizenry, a basic understanding of our role in international relations (vis-a-vie friends and foes), a solid comprehension of our history and our governments' role in perpetuating our Founding Fathers vision, and at least a modicum of eloquence in putting forth a policy platform with a willingness to compromise and work together to achieve stated goals. He has failed miserably in meeting each of these basic prerequisites. The numerous scandals are certainly enough to start the proceedings, let the result become a cautionary tale.

 
 
 
katrix
5.1.5  katrix  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @5.1.3    one month ago
I wasn't a big fan of his impeachment, but I am now.

I'm starting to hope he eats a lot more Big Macs.

 
 
 
Raven Wing
5.1.6  Raven Wing  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @5.1.3    one month ago
It would mean nothing to him to sabotage something that would ruin (more) lives, or make the country suffer in some way if her were not re-elected.

As I said earlier in another article...the chance of Trump leaving the WH willingly if he loses the election is not a likelihood. If he loses he will declare the election invalid because it was rigged, just like he claimed the 2016 election was rigged.

In fact, if by chance he is re-elected he will likely try to have himself declared the Dictator or Ruler of America, or even the Emperor, with no more elections, so that he will never have to leave the WH. 

Sound impossible? With Trumps ego and mental state I would not pout it past him. And many of his worshipers and sworn White Supremacist organizations backing him, he will encourage them to start a civil war to prevent him from having to give up the Presidency.

In fact, there have already been a couple of Trump worshipers here on NT who have already sworn their armed militias will do just that if he is not re-elected. 

So....why would Trump not refuse to leave the WH if he loses the election with backers like that?

 
 
 
Ozzwald
5.2  Ozzwald  replied to  Tessylo @5    one month ago
So you're going with all those illegal immigrants voted for Hillary?

Would you believe 3 million illegals voting for Hillary?

Would you believe 16 million illegals voting for Hillary?

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Vic Eldred
5.2.1  Vic Eldred  replied to  Ozzwald @5.2    one month ago

We have an estimated 20 million illegals living among us and California is encouraging & hiding it.

 
 
 
MrFrost
5.2.2  MrFrost  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.2.1    one month ago

And there is literally no proof that any illegals voted, even trumps Presidential Advisory Commission on Election Integrity disbanded without finding any proof of any illegals voting. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidential_Advisory_Commission_on_Election_Integrity

Trump spent millions of taxpayer dollars for one thing and one thing only, to defend his ego when he found out he didn't win the popular vote. That is the ONLY reason trump said 3 million illegals voted. And since the popular vote has NO bearing on presidential elections, it only proves that his crying fit about losing the popular vote even more ridiculous. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
5.2.3  Vic Eldred  replied to  MrFrost @5.2.2    one month ago
And there is literally no proof that any illegals voted, even trumps Presidential Advisory Commission on Election Integrity disbanded without finding any proof of any illegals voting. 

That cuts two ways - there is no proof one way or the other. The fact remains that California refuses to let anyone see it's voter rolls. Therefore I get to keep saying that I think illegals are voting in CA. Somebody here used to say "if it looks like a duck....

And since the popular vote has NO bearing on presidential elections, 

Then why do liberals keep whining about the popular vote?  Why do they want the law changed?

Better still

Why is California using drivers licenses as the ticket to voting (after allowing illegals to have them)?  I thought liberals hated any kind of voter identification. I guess they like the ID when it's grants instant voting rights.  There is no doubt about what goes on here. California turned blue a while ago, New Mexico has turned blue, Arizona is purple and Texas may even be vulnerable. It all happened for one reason - new and very different voters!  And democrats are keenly aware of it!



 
 
 
r.t..b...
5.2.4  r.t..b...  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.2.3    one month ago
It all happened for one reason - new and very different voters!  And democrats are keenly aware of it!

You forgot a second reason, old and dying out voters from and old and dying out party.  And republicans are keenly aware of it.

 
 
 
Tessylo
5.2.5  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.2.3    one month ago

They're turning blue also because millions of us are sick of the Republicans and are going to vote for whoever is the democratic nominee

 
 
 
livefreeordie
5.2.6  livefreeordie  replied to  Tessylo @5.2.5    one month ago

More bad news for the Never Trumpers

From Zogby

“A majority of voters give Trump thumbs-up again, while Trudeau lags behind at 43% job approval; Trump's support with his base has increased drastically; Nearly half of Hispanics approve of Trump

August 2019

Trump is winning with urban voters and has record support with African Americans

A new Zogby Poll® of 897 likely voters nationwide in the U.S., conducted from 8/9/19-8/12/19, with a margin of sampling error of +/-3.3 percentage points, shows President Trump's job approval rating at its best since we've been tracking the figure.  A separate poll of adults in Canada was conducted 8/9/19-8/11/19 with a margin of sampling error of +/- 4.3 percentage points.

President Trump's job approval has continued to rise the last few months. We previously saw a post Mueller report bounce and a strong economy has definitely helped him. But that's not the complete story as to why the president has reached a peak in his job approval rating. It's true Trump is riding high on positive economic news-a record high stock market, low unemployment, and solid GDP growth at home. It's also very plausible he is benefiting from poor performances by the Democratic presidential candidates who have continued to move very far to the left with their policies. The Democrats have floated nationalizing healthcare, strict gun control, "The Green New Deal", and raising taxes, all which are very unpopular in polling on a national level and in key battleground states.

President Trump continues to score well with younger Millennial voters aged 18-29 (46% approve/50% disapprove) and Generation Z voters aged 18-24 (44% approve/53% disapprove). Usually, Trump does best with voters over 50, but in our latest poll, he is receiving solid support from voters under 50--a majority of Generation X voters aged 30-49 approved of Trump's job as president (51% approve/49% disapprove).

The president's numbers continue to improve with Independents, which a few months ago his approval rating was in the 30's.

Race also played a factor in Trump's job approval rating. Hispanics, this time around, were much more likely to approve of his job performance (49% approve/51% disapprove), while the president also saw his numbers jump with African Americans. This was his second straight poll with over a quarter support from African Americans (28% approve/70% disapprove). If Trump wins half of Hispanics and a quarter of African Americans in 2020, Democrats will be in trouble

Religion was also a driving factor in Trump's high approval rating. This is very important to his re-election bid because religious voters turnout in big numbers. The president is polling very well with Catholics (58% approve/39% disapprove), Protestants(58% approve/40% disapprove) and Evangelicals (63% approve/34% disapprove).

https://zogbyanalytics.com/news/896-a-majority-of-voters-give-trump-thumbs-up-again-while-trudeau-lags-behind-at-43-job-approval-trump-s-support-with-his-base-has-increased-drastically-nearly-half-of-hispanics-approve-of-trump

 
 
 
Tessylo
5.2.7  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  livefreeordie @5.2.6    one month ago

Zogby polls are as useless as this 'president'

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
5.2.8  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @5.2.5    one month ago

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Raven Wing
5.2.9  Raven Wing  replied to  Tessylo @5.2.5    one month ago
They're turning blue also because millions of us are sick of the Republicans and are going to vote for whoever is the democratic nominee

I think it is more that people are sick of Trump rather than Republicans as a whole. Many of the Republicans I know, and I know a good many, are sick of Trump and are praying that the Republicans can come up with a truly qualified, intelligent and valid candidate to run against Trump. 

And many of the Democrats I know will not vote for someone that is not more interested in what is best for America and its people instead of simply engaging in political warfare between the parties. 

So far I have not seen any candidate that even comes close to that in either party. 

 
 
 
livefreeordie
5.2.10  livefreeordie  replied to  Tessylo @5.2.7    one month ago

But Zogby is a Democrat- 

 
 
 
Tessylo
5.2.11  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  livefreeordie @5.2.10    one month ago

NO HE IS NOT 

 
 
 
Raven Wing
5.2.12  Raven Wing  replied to  Tessylo @5.2.11    one month ago
NO HE IS NOT

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MrFrost
5.2.13  MrFrost  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.2.3    one month ago
Then why do liberals keep whining about the popular vote?

They don't, trump does because his precious ego was damaged when he was told he LOST the popular vote. Since then he has been a one man crusade to prove he didn't lose the popular vote. And when it was proven that he DID lose the popular vote? He just doubled down on the same retarded fucking lie and now has added 16 million illegal votes? 

How anyone can support trump is a genuine curiosity. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
5.2.14  Vic Eldred  replied to  MrFrost @5.2.13    one month ago
They don't

The facts say otherwise:

https://www.chicagotribune.com/columns/john-kass/ct-met-electoral-college-kass-20190320-story.html


 Since then he has been a one man crusade to prove he didn't lose the popular vote. 

He is easily baited, isn't he? Then again, he is entitled to his opinion. He thinks that an awful lot of illegal aliens are voting in a state like California. I happen to agree.


How anyone can support trump is a genuine curiosity. 

How anyone can't see what liberalism is doing to this country is a mystery.


 
 
 
Tessylo
5.2.15  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  livefreeordie @5.2.10    one month ago

My mistake, I see he is registered as a democrat.  But I believe he is a DINO

 
 
 
Tessylo
5.2.16  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.2.14    one month ago

You are WRONG, no matter how many times you repeat the same nonsense.  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
5.2.17  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @5.2.16    one month ago

It would be so easy for the state of California to prove us wrong....Open the books and come clean. The truth will set you free!

 
 
 
Tessylo
5.2.18  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.2.17    one month ago

It's up to you to prove it, you're the one who is making the pronouncements.  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
5.2.19  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @5.2.18    one month ago
It's up to you to prove it

For the last time, there is no right or wrong since CA is hiding it's voter rolls.

 
 
 
Old Hermit
5.2.20  Old Hermit  replied to  Tessylo @5.2.7    one month ago
Zogby polls are as useless as this 'president'

To true Tessylo.

Their accuracy rating is even lower than that Trump fluffing polling firm Rasmussen.

FiveThirtyEight’s Pollster Ratings
Based on the historical accuracy and methodology of each firm’s polls.

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And this particular bit of propaganda from Zogby is an ON LINE poll, making it easier for his sycophants to game the system.

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Please click here for the U.S. voters methodology statement.

Zogby Analytics Poll Methodology US Likely Voters 8/9/19 – 8/12/19

Zogby Analytics conducted an online survey of 897 likely voters in the US.

Using internal and trusted interactive partner resources, thousands of adults were randomly invited to participate in this interactive survey. Each invitation is password coded and secure so that one respondent can only access the survey one time.
 
 
 
Tessylo
5.2.21  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.2.19    one month ago

For the last time, it's up to you to prove it.  

You cannot.  

 
 
 
MrFrost
5.2.22  MrFrost  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.2.19    one month ago

For the last time, there is no right or wrong since CA is hiding it's voter rolls.

They gave them to trumps commission. 

 
 
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