Hey Donald Trump, another court just saw through your census citizenship question charade

  
Via:  tessylo  •  one month ago  •  15 comments

Hey Donald Trump, another court just saw through your census citizenship question charade

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b24e5cc0-fa39-11e8-bff6-c983281f3f32   The Editorial Board, USA TODAY Opinion   56 minutes ago

If one thing is clear about the Trump administration’s effort to add a   citizenship question to the U.S. Census, it is that this is a purely political operation. The administration wants to drive down participation in areas that tend to vote Democratic so that Democrats will have   fewer congressional and legislative districts .

Don’t take our word, listen to President Donald Trump. Just last Friday he told reporters about the census question: “Number one, you need it for Congress, you need it for Congress,   for districting .”

This notwithstanding, the Justice Department, on Trump’s orders, is preparing legal briefs   arguing that the Census Bureau has   purely administrative, and totally appropriate, reasons for adding the question.

Our advice: Give it up. The courts have already seen through this charade. On June 27, the Supreme Court blocked the census question plan, at least for now, on the grounds that the administration had provided a " contrived" rationale about wanting to improve voting rights enforcement .

Now, with 2020 census forms already being printed to meet tight deadlines, the Justice Department wants us to believe that it will find some new, more plausible explanation? One that is better than the one the court has already rejected and ignores the fact that the president himself has been blabbing about the political gains to be had from rigging the census?

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OPPOSING VIEW:   The census, veterans and the value of citizenship

This is far-fetched, especially because evidence of political chicanery goes beyond the president. Documents left by   Republican Party’s chief gerrymandering operative , Thomas Hofeller, showed that he had also been involved in getting the citizenship question added to the census. Tellingly, career lawyers at Justice who had been working on the census case are refusing to participate in the farcical effort to circumvent the Supreme Court ruling, and on Tuesday a federal judge   rejected Justice’s bid to swap out lawyers .


The census is one of the few administrative functions of government that is specifically cited in the Constitution. It is mentioned because the Founding Fathers knew then, as we know today, that it is a sacred trust.

The census is the basis of popular rule. It determines how many seats in Congress each state gets, and where within those states each district will be. It does the same for state legislatures and also impacts the flow of federal funds for everything from roads to education. Its constitutional imperative refers to counting " persons " and makes no distinction between citizens and noncitizens.

The move to add a citizenship question was undertaken to make up for the fact that Republican gerrymandering will be at least partially limited this time around. Several states have passed ballot measures that create nonpartisan redistricting processes. And several others have Democratic governors who might veto politically motivated district maps drawn by Republican legislatures.

Rebuffed on the census by the nation's highest court, it is time for the administration to move on.



USA TODAY's editorial opinions are decided by its   Editorial Board , separate from the news staff. Most editorials are coupled with an opposing view — a unique USA TODAY feature.



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Tessylo
1  seeder  Tessylo    one month ago

If one thing is clear about the Trump administration’s effort to add a citizenship questionto the U.S. Census, it is that this is a purely political operation. The administration wants to drive down participation in areas that tend to vote Democratic so that Democrats will have fewer congressional and legislative districts.

Don’t take our word, listen to President Donald Trump. Just last Friday he told reporters about the census question: “Number one, you need it for Congress, you need it for Congress, for districting.”

This notwithstanding, the Justice Department, on Trump’s orders, is preparing legal briefs arguing that the Census Bureau has purely administrative, and totally appropriate, reasons for adding the question.

Our advice: Give it up. The courts have already seen through this charade. On June 27, the Supreme Court blocked the census question plan, at least for now, on the grounds that the administration had provided a "contrived" rationale about wanting to improve voting rights enforcement.

Now, with 2020 census forms already being printed to meet tight deadlines, the Justice Department wants us to believe that it will find some new, more plausible explanation? One that is better than the one the court has already rejected and ignores the fact that the president himself has been blabbing about the political gains to be had from rigging the census?

 
 
 
WallyW
1.1  WallyW  replied to  Tessylo @1    one month ago

Why do you want non-citizens to vote?  Apparently the Dems can't win elections without cheating.

That's why they hate voter ID.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
1.1.1  Ozzwald  replied to  WallyW @1.1    one month ago

Why do you want non-citizens to vote?

Why do you ask questions that have nothing to do with the article?

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
1.1.2  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  WallyW @1.1    one month ago
Why do you want non-citizens to vote?

This has nothing to do with non-citizens voting. This has to do with an accurate assessment of who is here and where.

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.1.3  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  WallyW @1.1    one month ago
Apparently the Dems can't win elections without cheating.

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WallyW
1.1.4  WallyW  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @1.1.2    one month ago

Shouldn't the count include non-citizens?

 
 
 
cms5
1.1.5  cms5  replied to  WallyW @1.1    one month ago
Why do you want non-citizens to vote?  removed for context

Most sanctuary cities already allow non-citizens a vote in local elections. They do this because they feel that since they live there, they should have a say.

The bigger picture is the number of reps allowed in the House. An increase in population increases the number of reps. Call it 'House Packing'.

Frankly, I doubt that any non-citizen would actually self-identify as a non-citizen...so it really doesn't matter.

 
 
 
Snuffy
1.1.6  Snuffy  replied to  WallyW @1.1    one month ago

I don't think this is for non-citizens to be able to vote. I think there's a couple of reasons but mostly around representation in Congress and the EC count.

California as the most populous state has 53 representatives in the House and has 55 EC votes.  I think California may also have the largest non-citizen population but I'm not 100% sure on that. If non-citizens are removed from the equation, California would lose a few representatives as well as EC votes. As California has been solidly blue for quite some time of course the Dems would fight this. California would also stand to lose some federal monies due to the reduction in population counts.

I do also think that people are terrible at predicting the future but both sides will use fear as a propaganda tool. I think asking the question is a good question to include but the fear can be a good tool.

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.1.7  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  cms5 @1.1.5    one month ago

That is only in school board elections where their children go to those schools.  

 
 
 
cms5
1.1.8  cms5  replied to  Tessylo @1.1.7    one month ago
That is only in school board elections where their children go to those schools.  

While that is true for some areas, it has moved to local elections in others :

With a tie-breaking vote from the mayor, the City Council in College Park approved the measure to allow undocumented immigrants, student visa holders and residents with green cards to vote in local elections, The Washington Post reports .
 
 
 
Ozzwald
1.1.9  Ozzwald  replied to  cms5 @1.1.8    one month ago
While that is true for some areas, it has moved to local elections in others:

So what?  That's their choice, does not impact you or anyone else outside those localities in the least.

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.1.10  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Ozzwald @1.1.9    one month ago

Agreed!

 
 
 
Tessylo
2  seeder  Tessylo    one month ago

I'm unable to see the proof of the undocumented immigrants.

I agree with student visa holders and residents with green cards to vote in local elections.  

 
 
 
1stwarrior
4  1stwarrior    one month ago

Just an FYI -

The article is an Op/Ed (The Editorial Board,USA TODAY Opinion, 56 minutes ago) and it is NOT, neither a News article nor a Politics article.  It is merely one person's opinion.

Needs to be adjusted.

 
 
 
Tacos!
5  Tacos!    one month ago
Census Citizenship Question Charade

The real "charade" is that people pretend to be offended by the question.

 
 
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