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Bernie Sanders calls for eliminating all medical debt at South Carolina event

  

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Via:  it-is-me  •  5 years ago  •  76 comments

Bernie Sanders calls for eliminating all medical debt at South Carolina event
"We are introducing legislation that would end all medical debt in this country,"

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Sanders made the remark during a question-and-answer period following a town hall meeting in Florence on "Medicare-for-All." A female attendee explained to Sanders that she doesn't make enough money to qualify for ObamaCare and has accrued large a large amount of medical debt not covered by insurance.

When the woman asked Sanders if he had a plan for that, the self-described democratic socialist told her: "In another piece of legislation that we're offering, we're gonna eliminate medical debt in this country."

The Sanders campaign confirmed to Fox News that the proposal was new, but details were scant.

"We are introducing legislation that would end all medical debt in this country," Sanders told reporters as he departed the town hall. "The bottom line is it is an insane and cruel system, which says to people that they have to go deeply into debt or go bankrupt because of what? Because they came down with cancer or they came down with heart disease or they came down with Alzheimer’s, or whatever ...


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It Is ME
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1  seeder  It Is ME    5 years ago

This guy's a FUCKING IDIOT, and the ones that support him are even worse !

How the Fuck is Bernie going to accomplish this act of Nuttery ?

Whose going to pay the "Companies" that are owed, for his "Dark Rainbow" Abyss Idea ?

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Someone has to !  Maybe "Fine" folks for NOT getting into his system ?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1  Vic Eldred  replied to  It Is ME @1    5 years ago
This guy's a FUCKING IDIOT,

And a leading contender in the DNC primaries!

 
 
 
It Is ME
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1.1.1  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1    5 years ago
And a leading contender in the DNC primaries!

Gotta love "Democrat Socialist (DS)" type voters. Always out for some "Freebie" or another. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.2  Vic Eldred  replied to  It Is ME @1.1.1    5 years ago

IMHO a lot of democrat voters are voting for something other than liberal policies

 
 
 
It Is ME
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1.1.3  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.2    5 years ago
IMHO a lot of democrat voters are voting for something other than liberal policies

The "ANTI" vote. jrSmiley_13_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
TTGA
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1.1.4  TTGA  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1    5 years ago
And a leading contender in the DNC primaries!

So he is.  Having him at the top of the ticket would make destroying the Democrats so much easier.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.5  Vic Eldred  replied to  TTGA @1.1.4    5 years ago

When you think about it, the dems have a fairly pathetic group this time around.

 
 
 
cjcold
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1.1.6  cjcold  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.5    5 years ago

Nobody is more Pathetic than Trump. I'll vote for anybody over Trump.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.7  Vic Eldred  replied to  cjcold @1.1.6    5 years ago

Iv'e got you down as a likely voter.

 
 
 
MrFrost
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1.1.9  MrFrost  replied to  Have Opinion Will Travel @1.1.8    5 years ago
Who would vote for an avowed  socialist over somebody that actually gets something positive done 

Trump uses socialism constantly, you knew that right? 

 
 
 
TTGA
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1.1.11  TTGA  replied to  cjcold @1.1.6    5 years ago
I'll vote for anybody over Trump.

Know what cj, I said the same thing about Hillary.  Since then, I've been quite pleased with how much Trump has been able to accomplish, despite the fanatical efforts of The Resistance.

Besides, there is absolutely no way I would ever vote for one of those Communist wannabes, no matter who was running against them.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.1.12  Tessylo  replied to  TTGA @1.1.11    5 years ago

What exactly has this turd 'president' accomplished other than tax breaks for the uber wealthy?

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.1.14  Tessylo  replied to    5 years ago

You mean the business you inherited from your wife's family?  That business?

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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1.1.16  XXJefferson51  replied to    5 years ago

I’m not wealthy in any way shape or form and I got a good tax cut from what Congress and Trump did and this year looks to be just as good.  

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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1.3  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  It Is ME @1    5 years ago

Notice he has deliberately neglected to say how? What he has consistently refused to say is that he will raise taxes to do so, but he knows his base will have significant problems with that!

 
 
 
It Is ME
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1.3.1  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @1.3    5 years ago

He actually says he will raise taxes, but the DS groupies that will vote for him, don't think it will come to their house. jrSmiley_10_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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1.4  Jack_TX  replied to  It Is ME @1    5 years ago
This guy's a FUCKING IDIOT, 

Absolutely not.

He's made a 25+ year career out of lying through is ass promising free stuff to people who are terrible at math.  He has a six figure income with full benefits and full retirement, with cheauferred cars and meals on the taxpayers dime.   All this for winning an election in a tiny, insignificant state not big enough to be in America's 25 largest cities.

I wish I had known that was an option.

I respect AOC for recognizing this career path as early as she did.  Bernie is old, won't live forever, and the looney left will need a replacement icon.

and the ones that support him are even worse !

Sure.  People are stupid.  

But we all know nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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1.5  XXJefferson51  replied to  It Is ME @1    5 years ago

By adding it to the national debt.  Nationalizing it and stopping payment would crash the economy and make the dollar worthless.   

 
 
 
MrFrost
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1.5.1  MrFrost  replied to  XXJefferson51 @1.5    5 years ago
By adding it to the national debt.  

But you don't call out trump for adding 3 trillion to the debt in three years? Hypocrite much? 

 
 
 
TTGA
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1.6  TTGA  replied to  It Is ME @1    5 years ago
This guy's a FUCKING IDIOT

Nope, not an idiot.  Just a politician who is a LIAR.  Thanks to several NT members re setting the standard for lying in their treatment of the President, we can and should now call out any Leftist politician for being a LIAR whenever they make an exaggerated prediction or set any policy that is unlikely to come true.  Each of them will then be listed as telling thousands of lies, since most of the policies they want to form are totally idiotic.

 
 
 
Krishna
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1.6.1  Krishna  replied to  TTGA @1.6    5 years ago
Nope, not an idiot.  Just a politician who is a LIAR.  Thanks to several NT members re setting the standard for lying in their treatment of the President, we can and should now call out any Leftist politician for being a LIAR whenever they make an exaggerated prediction or set any policy that is unlikely to come true.

Well, at least there's one thing we can be grateful for-- with all the lying politicians there are, at least we now have a president who never lies! jrSmiley_2_smiley_image.png

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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3  Sean Treacy    5 years ago

Pander Pander Pander...

Bribing voters is always popular.

 
 
 
Tacos!
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4  Tacos!    5 years ago
"In another piece of legislation that we're offering, we're gonna eliminate medical debt in this country."

How marvelous! Here, all these years, I've been trying to earn extra money, put off purchases I wanted to make, tried to invest wisely, and so on. I'm a chump! All I needed to solve my financial worries was little legislation. Just pass a law and your debt goes away.

This is a great idea. We should pass other laws. We should pass a law to eliminate cancer. Or war. Or ungratefulness in children.

And when the people who hold the debt complain about getting paid, we'll just tell them: "Relax, friend! No one owes you money anymore. We passed a law!"

Pass a law to make my kid like vegetables.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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4.1  XXJefferson51  replied to  Tacos! @4    5 years ago

What about those of us who already paid off our college debt.  Same principle involved.  Do we get it paid back or are we punished for being responsible?  

 
 
 
Tacos!
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4.1.1  Tacos!  replied to  XXJefferson51 @4.1    5 years ago

Tell me about it. I spent 100% of my own money on tuition. I want a refund now.

 
 
 
KDMichigan
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5  KDMichigan    5 years ago

Bernie has the young vote just like he did in 16, but Warren has the young vote to.

I'm calling the female socialist winning the Democrat nomination.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
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5.1  igknorantzrulz  replied to  KDMichigan @5    5 years ago
I'm calling the female socialist winning the Democrat nomination.

Warren has made in roads.

i see EVERY post before mine asking how would this be paid for...

i did not do the mathematical equations, but i'd have to bet,

all the money from "middle class tax cut" LIES that what , 83%  is destined to go into uber rich or large corporation coffers could have easily paid for this and so much more, but the rich obviously deserved it, after all, it's their money that has allowed A whole to remain in office this long, as as long as Trump keeps nominating pos conservative justices and the money flowing to the TOP,

nothing to see here.

 
 
 
TTGA
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5.2  TTGA  replied to  KDMichigan @5    5 years ago
I'm calling the female socialist winning the Democrat nomination.

That one is easy.  She actually did lie on official documents about her ethnicity.  ELIZABETH WARREN IS A LIAR.

all the money from "middle class tax cut"

Where do you think all those extra jobs that lowered the unemployment rate came from?  Did they just appear out of the sky?  Do you think that those extra jobs are not helping the middle class?

 
 
 
Texan1211
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7  Texan1211    5 years ago

Bernie Sanders is an idiot.

No wonder Democrats love him.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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7.1  XXJefferson51  replied to  Texan1211 @7    5 years ago

Exactly.  Birds of a feather as they say...

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
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7.1.1  igknorantzrulz  replied to  XXJefferson51 @7.1    5 years ago
 Birds of a feather as they say...

Waht the FLOCK R U talking bouts

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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7.2  Vic Eldred  replied to  Texan1211 @7    5 years ago
No wonder Democrats love him.

As Frederick Douglass used to say “The Republican Party is the ship—all else is the sea”

 
 
 
SteevieGee
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8  SteevieGee    5 years ago

It's called Medicare for all. It will end medical debt.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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8.1  XXJefferson51  replied to  SteevieGee @8    5 years ago

And existing medical debt?  Will government  paying that be the parting gift for health insurance companies as they are legislated out of existence by Medicare for all?  

 
 
 
SteevieGee
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8.1.1  SteevieGee  replied to  XXJefferson51 @8.1    5 years ago

I don't think he's said anything about existing medical debt.

 
 
 
TTGA
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8.3  TTGA  replied to  SteevieGee @8    5 years ago
It's called Medicare for all. It will end medical debt.

Wrong.  Wouldn't even come close, and the basic Medicare for All promise is idiotic to anyone who can do math anyway.  There just aren't that many rich people who have money within US jurisdiction where it can be grabbed.  Did you think that those people in the 1% were so stupid that they would leave their money where it can be stolen by any greedy politician.  Not only Sanders but every Democrat candidate who came out for Medicare for All is a LIAR.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
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8.3.1  igknorantzrulz  replied to  TTGA @8.3    5 years ago
There just aren't that many rich people who have money within US jurisdiction where it can be grabbed.  Did you think that those people in the 1% were so stupid that they would leave their money where it can be stolen by any greedy politician.

Do you find it a tad difficult to believe, that WE, THe United States of America, can't afford healthcare for all, while WE ARE THE ONLY fully developed DEMOCRACY(form of) in the non third world to NOT COVER ALL OF ITS CITIZENS>>>>?What a Joke ! 

We can't afford it ????  You really have to come out into the sunshine now and then, as that bunker mentality is so off base, it's now caught in  a rundown, and about to be tug

out

 
 
 
lib50
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8.3.2  lib50  replied to  TTGA @8.3    5 years ago

Every other country that covers their citizens do it for far less money than we do here.  It takes up close to 20% of our gdp and most countries pay closer to half that.   Our system is the least effective and the most expensive.   Obamacare started bringing our costs down.  Republicans made sure to reverse that at our expense.  Republicans are the LIARS. 

 
 
 
Ronin2
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8.3.3  Ronin2  replied to  lib50 @8.3.2    5 years ago
Obamacare started bringing our costs down.

When telling a lie, tell a fucking whopper.

WHY ARE INSURED AMERICANS SPENDING SO MUCH OF THEIR INCOME ON HEALTH CARE COSTS?

Several factors may be contributing to high underinsured rates among adults in individual market plans and rising rates in employer plans:

  1. Although the Affordable Care Act’s reforms to the individual market have provided consumers with greater protection against health care costs, many moderate-income Americans have not seen gains. The ACA’s essential health benefits package, cost-sharing reductions for lower- income families, and out-of-pocket cost limits have helped make health care more affordable for millions of Americans. But while the cost-sharing reductions have been particularly important in lowering deductibles and copayments for people with incomes under 250 percent of the poverty level (about $62,000 for a family of four), about half of people who purchase marketplace plans, and all of those buying plans directly from insurance companies, do not have them. 4
  2. The bans against insurers excluding people from coverage because of a preexisting condition and rating based on health status have meant that individuals with greater health needs, and thus higher costs, are now able to get health insurance in the individual market. Not surprisingly, the survey data show that people with individual market coverage are somewhat more likely to have health problems than they were in 2010, which means they also have higher costs.
  3. While plans in the employer market historically have provided greater cost protection than plans in the individual market, businesses have tried to hold down premium growth by asking workers to shoulder an increasing share of health costs, particularly in the form of higher deductibles. 5 While the ACA’s employer mandate imposed a minimum coverage requirement on large companies, the requirement amounts to just 60 percent of typical person’s overall costs. This leaves the potential for high plan deductibles and copayments.
  4. Growth in Americans’ incomes has not kept pace with growth in health care costs. Even when health costs rise more slowly, they can take an increasingly larger bite out of incomes.

Read the rest of the article as it addresses the majority of people have inadequate health insurance; but at least they have insurance right? The insurance companies love the PPACA for a reason.

 
 
 
lib50
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8.3.5  lib50  replied to  Ronin2 @8.3.3    5 years ago

Do you know what you are posting? And what solutions republicans have?  Lets talk about the 'new' cheap policies Trump champions now after taking protections off.  Its a BACKWARD step to the worthless waste of money policies that people pay and don't cover anything when the need arises.  Look it up if you forgot,  in fact look up the ways republican run states REFUSED to work for their citizens on the ACA and instead have done everything in their power to fuck it up. Still doing it, still lying about it.  And still total lack of understanding of how insurance is supposed to work (reference #2).  Now go look at the pace of cost increases before and after the ACA.  And FYI, employers have been ditching covering healthcare for employees for decades because of its expense, and its one of the reasons wages don't increase.   If republicans TRULY want to fix healthcare, fucking bring it to the table instead of trying so hard to make sure what's in place fails.   The ACA WAS THEIR PLAN and that's why they don't have anything else.  You've proved bupkis.  Trumpublicans are fucking up healthcare as we speak.

 
 
 
TTGA
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8.3.6  TTGA  replied to  lib50 @8.3.2    5 years ago
Obamacare started bringing our costs down. 

As Ronin clearly showed, that is a LIE.  How did that "If you like your insurance, you can keep your insurance" thing work out?  That, in itself, means that Barack Obama was a LIAR.  Joe Walsh, the Congressman who called him out for lying at the State of the Union address was impolite but absolutely correct.

Do you find it a tad difficult to believe, that WE, THe United States of America, can't afford healthcare for all, while WE ARE THE ONLY fully developed DEMOCRACY(form of) in the non third world to NOT COVER ALL OF ITS CITIZENS>>>>?What a Joke !

And those countries are almost bankrupt while their citizens are paying enormous taxes.  They had some riots in Greece not long ago about just that.

How does that 70% base tax rate for everyone, not just rich people, appeal to you.  Are you willing to give up 70% of your income to the government based on some lying professional politician's promises?

 
 
 
Tessylo
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8.3.7  Tessylo  replied to  lib50 @8.3.2    5 years ago

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Ronin2
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8.3.8  Ronin2  replied to  lib50 @8.3.5    5 years ago

You think I am a Republican. How cute.

The PPACA was the biggest piece of bullshit legislation the Dems could have come up with. It did nothing to control costs; and the insurance companies love it.

As for lying about it. Well lying is a two way street.

While the debate proceeds over some details of the American Health Care Act, it’s worth pausing to take another look at how awfully misnamed the so-called “Affordable” Care Act has turned out to be, especially for people who buy their health plans on their own, rather than obtain it through an employer. While advocates and politicians have cited numerous examples of people facing huge premium increases, ACA advocates have been able to respond that those are cherry-picked cases, or that premiums were increasing before the ACA and would have increased anyway.

Those responses are no longer plausible. It turns out that across the board, for all ages and family sizes, for HMO, PPO, and POS plans, premium increases averaged about 60 percent from 2013, the last year before ACA reforms took effect, to 2017. In same length of time preceding that, all groups experienced premium increases of less than 10 percent, and most age groups actually experienced premium decreases, on average.

These findings come from new data from eHealth , which not only sells ACA Marketplace health plans, but sold a wide variety of health plans through its own website for many years before the ACA was passed, as well as both on and off the Exchanges after the ACA took effect. For years starting with 2014, the data include ACA-compliant, non-employer-sponsored plans sold both on and off exchanges. It does not include premium subsidies, which in any case are available only to on-exchange purchasers with qualifying income.

The data allow us to break down the pre- and post-ACA changes by age, individual vs. family, and plan type. Overall, Health Maintenance Organization (HMO) premiums actually decreased 4.6% in the four years before the ACA reforms came into effect (that is, from 2009 to 2013), but increased 46.4% in the first four years under the ACA. Point-of-Service (POS) premiums decreased 14.9% before the ACA, and increased a whopping 66.2% afterwards. Premiums for the more common Preferred Provider Organization (PPO) plans increased 15% in the four years before the ACA, and 66.2% afterwards.

You want another piece of evidence. Look at how much the stock prices increased for health insurance companies after the PPACA passed.

Winners: Health insurers. The stock price of Centene, a major Medicaid and ACA marketplace insurer, has multiplied by 12 times or 1,100%. Shares of UnitedHealth Group have jumped by more than 700%.
  • Insurers weathered cuts to Medicare Advantage and new requirements forcing them to cover sick people, but in return they got millions of taxpayer-subsidized customers through Medicaid expansion and the individual marketplaces.
  • Wall Street analysts say investors and companies were afraid the ACA was going to hurt the profitability of employer plans and Medicare Advantage. That never happened.
  • The individual marketplaces started out shaky but are now lucrative for the companies that remain. Medicare Advantage is expected to explode with growth over the next three years, and as more states expand Medicaid, more people get enrolled into private Medicaid plans.

Insurance companies are laughing all the way to the bank.  Shows they were far smarter than the Dems that put together the law.

 
 
 
Ronin2
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8.4  Ronin2  replied to  SteevieGee @8    5 years ago

Just change medical debt to tax debt. Simple.

 
 
 
MrFrost
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11  MrFrost    5 years ago

What happened to trumps "marvelous wonderful healthcare for all" that he lied about during the campaign? Oh that's right, it was a lie.. LOL 

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