NYT Breaking News - Trump Administration Threatened NOAA Officials If they didnt support Trump on hurricane path
NBC News is reporting that the New York Times has learned that Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross made a threat about firings to officials at the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, the parent agency of the National Hurricane Center, if they didnt defend President* Trump on his assertion on Sep 1. that the hurricane Dorian could effect Alabama.
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I had heard this too and it doesn't shock me in the least. People are dying and all trump can think about is trying to prove himself right even after he was caught in a lie.. Trump is a worthless child.
He was too busy tweeting to try to pretend he's not an idiot to have even given a crap when the hurricane hit the Carolinas.
Some leader.
Trump couldn't lead a used piece of toilet paper to a toilet.
This is awful. It should spell the end of his presidency.
Let the impeachment proceedings begin...
Oh, wait....
Why would you want to impeach him for something as silly as a, (one of many), FELONY?
Tell me something Greg, take this exact situation, no difference at all in any way at all, and replace trump with Obama. Would you be as sarcastic? Not in a million years, you would be building the gallows in the street. But trump does it? "So?"
I'd be interested in knowing exactly what Greg thinks that Trump would have to do, to be impeached, in his opinion. Well Greg, anything short of killing someone in the street on 52nd Avenue?
I get my sarcasm for my former loving caregivers...but that is another story.
I take none of this ongoing Trump this, Trump that, a bit seriously.
I have to think about and be reminded of the horror of a Hillary presidency and realize how blessed
we are with someone who cares this country and its future..
Next up, for several days, we will have several articles on here about Sarah Palin's divorce. .
Nothing, they know trump is a worthless scumbag and they are scared that trump won't be re-elected...and honestly? They should be.
And even then, they would just blame someone else.
I don't speak for Greg, but I can tell you what I wouldn't do...
Seed stupid ass story after stupid ass story about a sharpie and a map.
Nobody outside a narrow group of loons on the left give a crap about this.
As far as Obama doing it, no one would know because the loons on the left and the media (same thing) would not say a peep about it. Gotta protect the messiah, ya know.
Well, for starters, a sharpie on a map would not be most of American's concerns.
Let's turn this around...what would Trump have to do, besides resign, die, or be impeached, to get your approval?
First answer my question. Both you and Greg responded to my question, but refused to answer it. Just give me a short list of crimes you feel Trump could do that would be worthy of impeachment.
Was that American citizen a Taliban by any chance? Left this country to go fight with the Taliban or Al Queda or ISIS?
DID HE BETRAY HIS COUNTRY???????
If trmp had ordered that drone strike you'd be praising his actions.
Cops kill suspects all the time. I don't see you crying about their due process.
Yeah....I'll bet you won't condemn trmp if he orders a drone strike on a traitor.
Apparently you are ok with people who leave the US and go fight with the Taliban.
I just don't believe you.
My ass, you don't. I've seen you defend all his of shit here.
If trmp decides to order a drone strike against some traitor who left the US to join the enemy, I'm not gonna much care about it. Traitors deserve the shit they get
OK, no problem. I would be supportive of impeachment if there are PROVEN crimes committed by the President. As of now, there is no proof of any crime, as evidenced by inaction by the screaming "impeach him now" loons in Congress.
They are running on their feelings only, and not facts. If Trump changed his name to Hillary, I believe the libs would be AOK with it just so they can say they have a President Hillary.
Now, your turn to answer my question.
You have answered mine yet! You keep skipping around the subject. Give me a list, simple.
With POTUS you cannot have "proven" crimes, because DOJ policy does not allow indictments against him. Nixon was never "proven" to have done anything during the run up to impeachment, before he resigned.
Trump advocated the death of FIVE young men for a crime they had been cleared of. He took out a full page ad calling for the DP to be reinstated.
No he didnt.
I have. You just don't want to accept my answer because you don't like it.
There is no "list" of crimes, but if you want "something", then how about murder, felony assault, treason, etc. The problem with liberals is they like to look at things like a sharpie and a map as a means to impeachment.
Now, answer mine....what can Trump do, short of be impeached, die or resign, to get your approval.
Something tells me your blind liberal hate won't even let you type something.
Well, he didn't, but liberals, many on here, and especially in the media, advocated for ruining the lives of high school kids when a crazy Native American barged into their crowd and banged a drum in their faces, all while the kids simply stood there with MAGA hats on.
They couldn't control their rage.
YES HE DID
None of that is accurate.
Easy,
He can do something, anything, to help the average American. His entire administration has done nothing for anyone other than himself and other wealthy entities.
He can stop insulting our allies and praising our enemies.
He can stop lying, constantly.
He can release his tax returns to prove he has not been corrupted by Russian money.
He can stop ignoring legal subpoena's, and tell his underlings to cooperate fully with legal investigations.
He can start reading his daily briefings and act responsibly with the info therein. Don't tweet out classified info.
He can start providing honest press briefings so we, the people who pay him, know what's going on. How long since the last one?
He can stop acting like a child who can't get what he wants!
Why would you want to impeach him for something as silly as a, (one of many), FELONY?
Tell me something Greg, take this exact situation, no difference at all in any way at all, and replace trump with Obama. Would you be as sarcastic? Not in a million years, you would be building the gallows in the street. But trump does it? "So?"
...
Still waiting Greg....
Remember MrFrost, these are the people that wanted to impeach Obama for wearing a brown suit.
I'm sure that they are proud of your mastery of English.
It's all accurate.
The fact that there were five of them is accurate. The rest is not. Read the ad. Trump never advocated for their death specifically. He wanted the death penalty for whoever committed the crime.
Also, the part about them being cleared is inaccurate. They hadn't been cleared of anything at the moment Trump took out his ads. Their convictions of raping that one particular victim were vacated, but that clearance did not come until 2002 (The attacks and Trump's ad happened in 1989). That vacating is a legal technicality based on concerns over their confessions. It's not an exoneration and it doesn't express some abiding conviction that the men were innocent.
Even then, such clearance was kind of sketchy. Another man's DNA (a serial rapist) was found on the victim and he confessed. His unsupported claim that he acted alone is the only evidence that tends to "clear" the Five. The word of a convicted serial rapist is not generally considered to be all that reliable. A police commission study conducted in 2003 concluded that the Five had "most likely" participated in the beating and rape of the victim.
And, by the way, they were still guilty of committing assaults that night on other victims, so don't get the idea that a bunch of innocent angels were locked up.
He had a 2 full page spread ad calling for their death.
So it is accurate.
I don't know why I bother. Hope, I suppose.
Now, to stay on the civil tone, I will answer this in a nice way. I don't know how to cut and paste each individual point, so i will address them individually.
1. I guess the lowest unemployment rate for most, if not all groups of minorities is not doing something for the individual American. Those INDIVIDUALSS who now have jobs probably will disagree with you.
2. He does neither until they hit first. He has the right to defend himself, and especially his country.
3. How have these "lies" affected you personally?
4. He doesn't have to release anything. Just like you don't Being an American is being an American.
5. I don't remember you typing the same thing over the ignored subpoenas during the Obama year. Also, everyone knows these "investigations" are simply political in nature, all to put a shadow over the presidency until the 2020 elections. There will be no impeachment, or even an attempt.
6. This one maybe I can agree with.
7. Every time he steps foot out of the WH, he answers many questions from the press. No president before him gave more access. He also gives interviews to just about anyone that asks for one.
8. So you agree he is a politician.
Meaningless. Trump keeps trying to take credit for Obama's recovery. If Trump were responsible there would have been a sudden drop after the election, not the steady decrease in unemployment continuing at the same rate it was under Obama. PLUS, the rate is flattening out.
Our conversation is finished. Trump has been president for 3 years now, and the numbers continue to rise far faster than anything Obama could produce.
you probably still blame Bush for all of Obama's screw ups.
They have caused him to be elected. Because of that climate change is not being addressed, women are losing their rights, I am losing my ability to drink water because of pollution, America is becoming the laughing stock of the world, and on, and on, and on.
He does to the House Ways and Means committee. And he is doing everything to hide his returns from them. Speaks of fear and guilt on Trump's part.
I don't remember you ever asking me about it. Your loss. And stopped with the "But.....OBAMA!!" Bullshit!
Name one that is "political" in nature. That is just another talking point. For example, the 1st Benghazi investigation was NOT political in nature, but the following 8 were, and even Republicans admitted that they were.
Of course you can, who wants an illiterate loose lipped POTUS?
I ask about an apple, and you tell me about an orange???
Trump White House hasn't held a traditional press briefing in 6 months
The truth is probably that the press was starting to call Sarah out for her constant lies, and it hurt her feelings.
A baby politician.
It's not meaningless to the people who are now employed but weren't 3 years ago. It's also not meaningless to the massively larger group of people who have better jobs than they did 3 years ago. It's really only meaningless to the rabid blind hatred crowd.
It's not "Obama's" recovery any more than it is Trump's, any more than it was "Bush's" recession. The United States economy is far, far bigger than the office of the president. The United States is far, far, bigger than the powers of the president. It was designed that way.
Yes. We've very nearly run out of workers that can actually do anything more complicated than make fries.
Which hasn't actually impacted you personally. Your life is not significantly different now than it was in 2016.
Which is no different than it was before.
What rights have you lost, personally? What rights did you have in 2016 that you do not have today?
Well as long as we're not being hysterical or anything. Do you happen to live in Flint, MI?
And this affects you personally....how, exactly?
Not me. But I'm not hysterical about it.
And that is a lie. Numbers showing the economy slowing, numbers show job growth slowing. If you cannot support your argument without lying you are not worth the time to debate.
I see you have to have the last word, so I will leave it to you here. The FED stated just the other day that there is no recession on the horizon. Liberals have been hoping and praying recently for a recession, because they can't get the president on anything else.
The one thing you don't understand is that if there is a recession, common people, maybe like you, could lose your job, your pension, your home, etc. It is the rich, elite liberal that is calling for a recession because they know they could weather one with no problem, much like they probably did the last one.
All of my points above are on point, and any response given was simply based on feelings.
Your answers to 3, 5, 7 and 8 are proof of that.
When your last statement is a lie, do you really expect me not to call it out?
Do you not expect anyone to research your claims???
A critical recession indicator used by the Fed just hit its highest level since the financial crisis
So you are saying that trump is a lame duck that has done nothing?
I'm saying his...or any president's....impact on the average American is wildly overstated, and that the incessant liberal handwringing and panic over everything he tweets is both neurotic and idiotic.
Had you researched the actual claim you would have found it to be accurate.
Because none of Trump's other appointees have ever lied to cover for Trump? I will believe the verifiable indicators rather than one of Trump's yes men's opinion.
Oh for fuck's sake. Never mind that you have been proven wrong with your "research your claims" assertion...because bugsy was clearly correct, it was easily proven, and anybody who actually follows financial news of any kind already knew about Powell's statements.
Now....you are actually accusing the Chairman of the Federal Reserve...who was originally appointed Fed Governor by Barack Obama.... of lying in an attempt to support Donald Trump.
That's like 18 Calicos on the Crazy Cat Lady scale. The Crazy Train has been ramped up to full mag-lev high speed rail. This is a new weapons grade level of batshit. This makes Alyssa Milano look sane by comparison.
1 - How can I be proven wrong by 1 person's "OPINION". An opinion that goes against verifiable indicators.
2 - I never claimed recession in the 1st place, I stated that the economy was slowing down, which the article confirmed!
3 - Why the fuck are you butting into someone else's conversation with misinformation??
When you claim that your "research" somehow contradicts the fact that the opinion has been stated.
As far as verifiable indicators go, are you now going to attempt to tell us you have better information that the Chairman of the Federal Reserve? Or are you telling us you are more expert than a Princeton graduate with 35 years experience in banking and finance?
Never said you had made such a claim. But your actual claims are much more preposterous.
What part of this being a public forum is confusing you?
You do understand that "fact" and "opinion" are two different things, right? He can state the facts, or he can state his opinion, they do not necessarily need to support each other. And if there is one thing the Trump administration is known for, it is opinions that do not match the facts. (i.e. "alternate facts")
My claim was that the economy was slowing down, the article YOU REFERENCED agreed with that, no matter his final "opinion". So what was "preposterous" about it?
So being public allows you to put out false and misleading information? If you can't argue truthfully, why do you bother? All the lies and deflections just give people bad opinions about you.
Yes. It is a fact that he stated his opinion. A rather easily "researched" fact, at that.
He is the Chairman of the Federal Reserve. As such, he is the most powerful person on the planet when it comes to recessions and their prevention. When he speaks, it changes everybody else's opinion. The minutes from every Fed meeting swing the stock market.
I'm surprised that you're attempting to double down on this lunacy that he's somehow either so inept he doesn't understand the economy or he's somehow a liar. Either of those scenarios would reflect incredibly poor judgment on the part of President Obama, who appointed him originally. In reality, they simply demonstrate the lengths some people will go to advance their unhinged political agendum.
Your claim was that the statement "The FED stated just the other day that there is no recession on the horizon" was incorrect and easily disproven by "research". It clearly wasn't.
It is beyond preposterous to accuse a Fed Chairman of misrepresenting information for political purposes...which you have done...twice...especially when the person in question was appointed by the opposing party.
This being a public forum allows me to correct your misrepresentation, without regard to your frustration at now having to argue points with someone much more experienced and knowledgeable on the topic at hand.
Your repeated accusations that various people are untruthful anytime they say things you wish were not true undermine your credibility.
And yet that does not speak in any way as to whether his "opinion" reflects Trump's wishes, or the facts. The NOAA is another large, important organization, who lied to cover for their boss, Trump.
And the answer is.....C: ALL OF THE ABOVE.
Or, like the NOAA, was order by Trump to lie about current economic conditions.
Exactly, Like Barr, the NOAA, the EPA and others where people are being hired to run agencies where their primary responsibility is to protect the guy that hires them, Trump.
Tripling down on batshit delusions. Well done. You are at least committed to your cause, no matter how insane it is.
Nope, try again. That was in response to a another claim. I said the economy was slowing, he responded with the claim of no recession in sight. I never brought up the recession claim, I merely pointed out the economy was slowing which was supported by the article you keep referencing.
Not in this administration it isn't. Has already happened more than once, no reason to believe it won't happen again.
Too bad you're the one misrepresenting stuff. First you claimed that I said a recession was in sight, which I never did. Next you are supporting your claims by saying...he's important, he wouldn't lie. Despite the FACT that other Trump appointees have done just that.
Face it, you are trying to defend an imbecile who drew a loop on an official hurricane map and was surprised people noticed the hand drawn loop!!! He committed a crime doing that, and you think he wouldn't stoop AGAIN to ordering someone to make a false statement???
The economy is Trump's main campaign point, if shows as bad in any way, he has nothing to run on, and he knows it.
Really. Well let's review:
So when you cited the statement...that was.... what, exactly? Are you confused about how this whole "citation/response" arrangement works? Did you think you were citing something else? Do tell.
Did he? Did he now? Let's read it again.....
Hmmmm... No, it looks like he responded with the fact that the Fed made a statement. See, your clue here is the key words at the beginning of the sentence where it says "The FED stated".
No...it really is.
The Fed chair has lied?? More than once??? Do tell us about those.
By which you mean "holding you to what you have actually said and pointing out how insane it is."
Do cite me on that. I fear you're losing what little grasp you had on the conversation.
*sigh* His importance is related to the fact that he can actually influence whether or not we go into recession. Slow down, and read more carefully. Really.
Do cite me defending the president. Or has Jerome Powell doctored a weather map and I missed it? Are you actually reading my comments at all? Is English your first language? Or do you always misrepresent what people say in hopes of making your own statements sound less ridiculous?
You're putting FAR too much confidence in the importance of actual issues in presidential campaigns, which have not been issue-driven since 1956. If Trump is re-elected, it will be because the Democrats have nominated a candidate even worse than he is...again. Personally, I hope very much that doesn't happen, and it's looking good so far, but Sanders, Warren and Harris are all still lurking out there on the left wing. We'll see.
Regardless, this idea you continue to advance that anybody working in govt today is fundamentally dishonest simply because Trump has a problem connecting Twitter with reality is ridiculous, juvenile, and should be beneath you.
Exactly, some are so partisan that as you have pointed out, trump does the exact same thing Obama has done, and they praise it where before they complained.. Idiot partisan hacks.
Couldn't speak to that, he blocked me on twitter over a year ago, so did Pence and trumps asshole, Don Jr. Yes, I do wear it as a badge of honor. Did I mention that it's illegal for trump to block people on twitter? Anyway, I must have hurt his widdle feewings.
I didn't cite it, I responded to someone else citing that statement. Jesus, you still haven't read the thread! I STATED THE ECONOMY WAS SLOWING DOWN ... 1.2.50 bugsy Made the statement about recession, not me!!! How many times do I have to tell you the same fact over and over and over?!?!?!?!???
Yes he did, and if you read it you will see I never claimed the recession was coming. The closest I came was citing an article that talked about critical indicators about the economy.
Jesus Christ! He responded with the Fed's statement about something I NEVER CLAIMED!!! I don't understand why you seem unable to read the words in front of you. I don't understand why you seem so intent on arguing about something I never said.
Trump appointees have lied, you know this but since you cannot deal with that fact you decide to argue semantics. A sure sign of a losing argument.
Show me where I said we were heading to an recession. Go ahead show me. Or admit your claim is a lie.
Once again misrepresenting what I said. Never said he wasn't an "important" person, just stated that his "importance" does not preclude him from lying.
Trump became POTUS because his followers believed the bullshit he spewed. If he had run on his actual intentions, he would never have even gotten nominated. All he has left are his hard core followers who refuse to look at everything he has done, and every promise that he has failed to do ( all of them ).
And because Trump has solicited and accepted Russian help....again.
Wow, you just can't stop misrepresenting anything I say, can you? I never said " anybody working in govt today is fundamentally dishonest ", and would ask you to retract the lie claiming I said that.
There is clear evidence to the contrary. Do you not expect anyone to research your claims? @ 1.2.50
Or.... in the real world..... bugsy made a statement about the Fed stating their position. Which they did. After which you attempted to deny they did. Apparently because you didn't read any of it properly. Which is now your well established pattern.
Excellent. We're making progress.
The irony of this statement is enough to knock the earth out of its orbit.
"Semantics" being your code word for "taking you at your poorly communicated word" and not "reading your mind to know what you must have meant".
Right after you show me where I claim you said it.
Again....and please read this slowly and carefully... the utter insanity I accuse you of is claiming that the Fed chairman has lied to the American public. Did you understand that this time? Do you need to read it again?
More irony.
And you have polled how many Trump voters before you came to this conclusion? Have you even met any?
That statement is ridiculous on several levels. His "followers" were going to vote for absolutely anybody over Hillary Clinton. But there were never enough of them to get him elected. He became POTUS because enough people believed he was the lesser of two evils.
His actual intentions were and apparently still are to send a great big middle finger to establishment elitists who have looked down their noses at the "deplorables" for decades.
In any case....nobody gave a shit about "issues".
You would think that. But very stupid leftists give him new ammunition every day.
Let me guess... Bob Mueller lied to the American people, also?
So "taking you at your word" is "misrepresenting what you say". Riiiiight.
If you actually said what you meant more than half the time, you might not find conversation so frustrating. You cannot realistically expect people to "know what you mean" when you don't read or respond carefully.
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Bullshit! ANOTHER LIE !
The 1st sentence of the comment I am responding to, is you trying to justify the claim!
Why is that insane (preposterous)? You never answered that question.
Why is it crazy to think that Trump's FED chairman wouldn't lie to the public?
You understand that Trump currently has a 38% approval rate, right? I know several of his deplorables, you ask them anything about Trump's antics and they deny them despite any videos or evidence you provide.
Bullshit! Your opinion and not worth anything.
Elitists like people with golden toilets? Elitists like people who have never grocery shopped for themselves? Elitists who have made their way in life because of their daddy's millions of dollars???
Yup, he uses lies about them to stoke the racism and hatred of his followers.
Nope, but AG Barr did, and apparently you didn't bother reading Mueller's report for yourself. Not to mention...
That's all Jack ever has.
Left bad
Cons good
Repeat
You read carefully!! Well done. I'm so proud.
Oh dear. The evidence is there for all to see. Out of curiosity, are you applying for the post of Iraqi Minister of Information in case there is another conflict coming?
So that whole 'reading carefully' thing was just a one time deal? How disappointing.
Assuming ... for a moment....that your wildly imaginative claims are true... Which of those people were appointed by Barack Obama?
Let's also look at the obvious fact that you are determined to avoid like a vampire dodging sunlight.... Jerome Powell has influence over whether or not we go into recession. Did you catch that? Do you understand what his job is and how he has that influence? Do NOAA administrators influence storms? Do press secretaries control events? No?
Your hysteria got the better of you several comments ago. But please do consider that the alternative to that opinion is that 60+ million people were just all gooey with excitement about voting for a shady NY real estate developer who has been one of America's worst and most famous assholes since loooooong before you were born. Or...in the real world....Hillary Clinton was a terrible candidate that people really didn't like.
Yes. Ironic, isn't it? But more than that. It's about many kinds of elitists. You know, like the ones who claim that anyone who disagrees with Rachel Maddow is "voting against their own interests" but too ignorant to realize it. Or the ones who think attending college entitles them to make everyone else pay off their loans. Or the ones who rail against Fox News while reading DailyKos, and think the rest of us just don't understand how offended we should be by Dave Chappelle or Bill Burr.
The truth helps him more than fiction. All he needs to do for campaign ads is run video of letists doing what they do.
Do cite the part for us where he details collusion with Russa. What page is that on, exactly?
That would be "leftISTS bad". Please do endeavor to spell the words correctly.
Yes. I oppose extremists. Extremism is usually a sign of low intelligence, where the person in question lacks the wherewithal to process issues in their full complexity.
I do not apologize for wanting public policy to be set by intelligent people rather than the brainless and/or hyper-emotional who cannot manage to think for themselves.
Butt I see you give enough of a crap to post comments here.
Yes Trump did advocate the death penalty for the Central Park 5 and he took out a full page ad saying so.
Here's an article about it:
YES HE DID.
EXACTLY. I won't even comment to him anymore. Sick of his nonsense and lies.
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Still struggling to follow the conversation, I see.
Once again....I'm defending Jerome Powell. Do you remember who he is?
Alabama was included in the 'original' prediction.
Trump was simply looking at the wrong map, not the updated ones
We know that, which is why he should have been more careful, and then, after the mistake was made, he should have just let it go
Absolutely VERY SOUND advice - "just let it go" - and from your mouth too John
He was looking at old maps? So that is the excuse you are making for him. These maps are usually time stamped so why didn't he even bother to check for the most current one. I already know the answer so don't bother to justify his total lack of common sense with some half assed lame excuse.
Then why didn't he explain that instead of insisting he was right? If a simple mistake, why the whole sharpie fiasco?
Bullshit.
Trump specifically said it was NEW information. Stop lying for him; he's not worth it.
So you admit he was looking at the wrong map. Thanks!
The Trump administration committed a form of blackmail or extortion against a government agency. Add this to the long list of impeachable offenses.
Don't you worry John, the nutters will come along shortly and spin spin spin it into nothing.
This is why you cannot trust any statement, from any Trump administration official.
There is a reason why it's illegal to alter weather maps. This shit DOES matter.
Just as it matters that Trump tweeted a photo that possibly let our enemies know more about our surveillance capabilities ... and we find that a spy was brought back from Russia because our security agencies couldn't trust Trump not to expose the person after he gave Putin classified information ...
True, but I was told it's not, by right wing nutters, of course.
All he had to do was admit he was wrong....it was that fucking simple. But trump has to threaten to fire people to defend the fact that he was caught in a lie.
Trump has the most corrupt administration ever. He makes Nixon look like an Eagle Scout.
Another article on this? Another one? And people said Trump couldn't let it go.
Yeah well, that's really not surprising to anyone who has ever had a job. Most of the time if you think the boss has said or done something wrong, the correct procedure is to talk to your immediate supervisor, or someone else in authority within your organization. Maybe you even talk directly to the boss, where that is feasible. Generally, you don't just jump on Twitter and correct him publicly.
For one thing, it's obnoxious and disrespectful, but for another, you may not have all the information that people above you have. It's a great way to get fired.
Since when is pointing out corruption something the right doesn't like?
What not impeach him? The evidence is all there.
I think.....
Because republicans love the fact that he is lawless.
Of course that's not true, nobody is lawless, but why did you not answer Greg's question?
What's stopping the democrats from impeaching?
Nothing, they are working on it, but they want to make sure it's ironclad before they proceed..
What's stopping republicans from supporting it, if it's valid?
You think being worried about one extra state during a hurricane is a sign of corruption?
Because just about the entire gop and this scumbag's administration are complicit in everything the 'president' is guilty of and their pockets are nicely lined.
Not regarding #sharpiegate, that's just one more instance where this shitstain cannot be told he is wrong, about ANYTHING.
This is an interesting point. For over 3 years, the far left has been screaming that the President is GUILTY of something. They keep coming up with things they THINK he is guilty of, and should be prosecuted for, but here we are today and President Trump is still your President.
By stating "if it's valid", it shows a crack in the liberal thought that maybe, just maybe, they have been duped from day one.
Pretty sad when the far left loons are triggered by a magic marker.
Pretty sad when the far right loons decide that facts no longer matter, and that having our buffoon of a president not only lie, but then triple down on his lie, is no big deal. Integrity, honesty, ethics, and morality are things the far right loons don't give a shit about.
The 'president' quintupled down on his lie, he is the one who couldn't let it go.
Then threatening to fire people who dared to not support the lyingist liar of all liars.
Pretty sad when the far right loons ignore felonies committed by Trump.
U.S. Code Title 18, “Whoever knowingly issues or publishes any counterfeit weather forecast or warning of weather conditions falsely representing such forecast or warning to have been issued or published by the Weather Bureau, United States Signal Service, or other branch of the Government service, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ninety days, or both.”
Not parsing words, but I don't believe Trump either "issued or published" a weather forecast map. He simply held it up with added information NOAA themselves had predicted a short time before.
But even if he did issue or publish, if this is all libs have to impeach the President, you guys are going to be looking forward to a very long 2021 through 2025 with Trump still as your President.
I guess hearing "I did not have sex with that woman", or "you can keep your doctor", :you can keep your plan", and the biggest doozie of all "families will save up to 2500.00" is OK with you. According to your "logic", neither of these Presidents had Integrity, honesty, ethics, and morality.
Correct. Nothing he did constitutes publishing anything. He was using something someone else published and was using it in a legal way.
The only reason his sharpied map was disseminated at all was because privately owned news media companies pointed their cameras at him and broadcast the recording for their own profit.
There is no way that the law against publishing counterfeit weather forecasts applies to Trump in this situation. It's just a desperate attempt by some to get people to care about something that isn't actually a big deal.
you are parsing words. He published it by presenting it to the people, on the air, as an official NWA hurricane map.
Wrong...again..NOAA published the chart, Trump just held it up on camera.
After altering it, and presenting it as official.
And yes I know it was NOAA, trying to type on my phone and catch all the fat fingers is sometimes too daunting for me. I didn't spot it until I reread quite a while later.
I swear both my daughters could write War and Peace, on their phones, in less time than it takes me to thumb out 2 words.
He wanted his falsified map disseminated, because he thinks his voters are too stupid to have noticed that he altered it with a sharpie. The man will go to any lengths to avoid ever admitting he made a mistake, but this one was a real doozy. But then, even Fox News called out his misstatement about Alabama (which means his base found out about it), so of course he did what he always does, just like one of our beloved Newstalkers - when proven wrong, he doubles down and then triples down.
Still did not publish it, because it had already been published. I guess we are going to differ with this. As far as the NOAA/NWA thing, I did not even pay attention to it, so no biggie.
As far as texting, I get where you are coming from. I remember back when taxtingfirst became popular, there were contests by tweens to see how fast they can type out certain things. They would do whole paragraphs in a matter of seconds. This was all before I sent my first, and still today, two thumb texts.
Now you are just playing semantics. He did publish it, on television, as the "official" map.
And god help you if you press the microphone button and dictate the text. My girls still harass me about that 1 time. I never knew that eye rolls could go ALL THE WAY around..
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Is Trump a lawless despot-wannabe or an ignorant blowhard?
Trump has said he would reinstate waterboarding (which many consider torture, but about which there is a debate). But he says he would go further and use techniques that are "so much worse."
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Are you shitting me? How many LEGAL subpoenas have been refused by the WH? Hell, there were two TODAY!
So is not backing up trumps lies, apparently.
They are desperate and scared, nothing seems to be working in their ongoing efforts to get rid of Trump.
Well in the lefts defense would you rather run 5 seeds on sharpiegate or discuss the democrats running for President?
I would vote for Sponge Bob, (with Patrick as VP), over trump any day of the week and twice on Sunday. Not much to discuss.
I have but they can't point to their feeling. Quite a few snowflakes that cry all day, everyday and can't talk about the weather without saying, But...but...Trump.
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Well, there are clues out there. The price of butthurt cream has gone down because of the increased leftist purchases.
[Deleted] WTF does that meme have to do with anything?
Trump couldn't hurt me if he tried.. LOL
at least they both have their eyes closed
You will notice that there isnt a single right wing comment on this thread that disputes the accuracy of the NYT report. They just dont care.
That is their answer for everything sour in Trumpworld these days , "I don't care".
They aren't sending their best.
That says far more about you than it does about Trump.
This isn't about ME, is it? Remember that whole, discuss the article, not the members?
Trump is hurting me, my friends and family, my country and my planet with every anti-environmental, anti-science decision he makes.
we should eliminate both the National Weather Service and NOAA as federal agencies. There is no Constitutional authority for their existence to be funded by taxpayers and just increasing the federal bureaucracy
yes we'd all be better off having you stick a wet finger in the wind and telling us what the weather will be.
Have you bothered to research why they were created in the first place?
Sorry if you don't think everyone having access to a correct weather forecast is important ... but hey, it's just people's lives, property and livelihoods. No biggie, right?
Nowhere did I say that there is no market or public need for this information. the left confuses needs and wants with Government mandates.
There is no reason that the private sector should not provide these services.
The Constitution provides no authority for the Federal Government to engage in this activity. It just adds more bureaucrats and costs to taxpayers.
As James Madison, father of the Constitution stated:
James Madison and in Federalist #45:
"The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite. The former will be exercised principally on external objects, as war, peace, negotiation, and foreign commerce; with which last the power of taxation will, for the most part, be connected. The powers reserved to the several States will extend to all the objects which, in the ordinary course of affairs, concern the lives, liberties, and properties of the people, and the internal order, improvement, and prosperity of the State."
As I stated above, you have apparently never bothered researching just why this was considered to be a government mandate. You may not have thought about this, but weather events affect our national security. And some of us appreciate that our government is helping to save lives and property.
Of course, almost everyone is "on the left" when compared to you, except for the religious right.
I disagree with the weather affecting our national security. What Military strategy do you employ against weather? Are we going to block out the sun? deploy aircraft and/or ships against hurricanes? blow up tornadoes?
Luckily, you don't run our military or our national security teams. They disagree with you. They even *gasp* agree that climate change poses immediate risks to our national security.
That shows how far our military leadership has departed from actually thinking in terms of military strategy and military superiority over our enemies to one of political correctness.
Real military leaders like Patton or MacArthur would have never succumb to this kind of idiotic thinking. They wouldn't embrace hoaxes like the so-called Anthropogenic Global Warming.
Mankind cannot dictate the climate or weather. This is just new age nonsense.
Immediate?
Really?
and science says AGW is nonsense.
Science who? Is that like Mac Book telling us we should buy a Windows Surface?
The facts show the vast majority of climate scientists do believe in AGW, so regardless of what your friend Sci Ence might say, it is very real.
Actually science says the exact opposite of that.
" NBC News is reporting that the New York Times has learned "
Now the "Media" just mimics one another....and calls it "Reporting ?
Better than the standard gop 'some people say', or Trump's 'my friend John says'. But we know the right has no standards for themselves. Go after the media, Putin's orders! And the sheep duly follow the orders after Putin's puppet takes up the call.
Russia….Russia …. Russia !
We can't help it if the PAB is PPAB. And despite conservative attempts to deflect and deny, Trump and his campaign had and continue to have a 'special' relationship with Putin, to the point he is always deferential. As if he were afraid to cross him.
ps, need help with PAB or PPAB? Happy to oblige.
Sure....that's why he keeps sanctioning Putin. He loves Putin.
Just lately:
Aug. 1, 2019
President Trump on Thursday signed an executive order imposing new sanctions on Russia
He's been adding sanctions on Russia since 2017.
LOL from the FIRST line in your link...
If congress had said nothing, the sanctions would never in a million years been imposed. Trump is facing re-election, he's going to play nice now.
LOL !
He STILL has been adding sanctions on Russia since 2017.
They lift certain sanctions when it suits them.
from your link
So, literally a year later, the POTUS announces a ban on loans to Russia by international financial institutions?
Who knew we had international "powers" ?
Deripaska was a FBI operative for the Obama Administration
As has been pointed out to you, HE doesn't want to sanction Putin. Because he is OWNED by Putin. PPAB.
The only thing "Pointed Out" by "Others", was that Trump "DID" sanction Russia. Timeline matters not.
The "DID" is what mattered.
Well, if the NYT says it...it must be true. /s
Let me guess, trump slammed the NYT, and you believe what he says? Excuse me...
Oooops...you guessed wrong!
Locked due to the absence of the seeder for 4 days and the off topic slap fights which have run on for 2 days.