Trump tells reporters border wall is ‘wired’, immediately after army general asks him not to discuss in public

  
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Trump tells reporters border wall is ‘wired’, immediately after army general asks him not to discuss in public

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Trump tells reporters border wall is ‘wired’, immediately after army general asks him not to discuss in public



102b4830-25c0-11e7-a66a-23957430fe89_lat   Jon Sharman, The Independent   2 hours 9 minutes ago  






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Donald Trump   touted the robust construction of his border fence on a visit to southern   California , but risked the ire of one of his top generals by revealing the barrier would be “wired” to detect attempts to breach it.

Flanked by engineers and the border patrol commissioner, the president talked up the steel-and-concrete fence’s technological elements during a press conference in San Diego.

He said: “They’re wired, so that we will know if somebody is trying to break through.”

Turning to Lt Gen Todd Semonite, chief of the US Army Corps of Engineers, Mr Trump added: “You may want to discuss that a little bit, general.”

But he was told: “Sir, there could be some merit in not discussing it.”

To nervous laughter from officials, Mr Trump continued: “Ok. I like that. That was a great answer. I’ll just tell you they’re wired, ok? They’re wired. They’re technologically very advanced, all set up for cameras any place we want.

“They’re all wired out for drone technology. Anything you want, we have.”

The fence posts themselves are steel tubes, filled with concrete and rebar and topped with flat panels. ”It’s the Rolls-Royce version,” Mr Trump said.


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Tessylo
1  seeder  Tessylo    one month ago

He said: “They’re wired, so that we will know if somebody is trying to break through.”

Turning to Lt Gen Todd Semonite, chief of the US Army Corps of Engineers, Mr Trump added: “You may want to discuss that a little bit, general.”

But he was told: “Sir, there could be some merit in not discussing it.”

To nervous laughter from officials, Mr Trump continued: “Ok. I like that. That was a great answer. I’ll just tell you they’re wired, ok? They’re wired. They’re technologically very advanced, all set up for cameras any place we want.

“They’re all wired out for drone technology. Anything you want, we have.”

 
 
 
WallyW
1.1  WallyW  replied to  Tessylo @1    one month ago

They probably  have electrified it to shock anyone trying to breach it

 
 
 
r.t..b...
1.1.1  r.t..b...  replied to  WallyW @1.1    one month ago
shock anyone

The shock is that anyone stills believes a wall is the solution. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.1.2  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  WallyW @1.1    one month ago

Only a moron would think that is a good idea.  

How to Build a Deadly Electric Border Fence

Experts weigh in on Herman Cain’s semi-serious plan to construct a fence that kills would-be illegal immigrants.

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<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/19725479@N00/1206290961/">Rafa from Brazil</a>/Flickr

Two Saturdays ago, Republican presidential candidate Herman Cain floated an idea to dramatically curb illegal immigration:   build an electrified fence   along the US-Mexico border that could kill people who try to cross it. The next day, he told NBC’s David Gregory that he was joking. That Monday, he reverted to his original proposal after a summit with Arizona sheriff Joe Arpaio. On Tuesday, at the   GOP presidential debate in Las Vegas , Cain reiterated that he had been joking, but he refused to dismiss the idea of constructing an electrified barrier across the length of the border.

So could the United States really build an electrified fence along the entire length of the Mexican border? And how much would it cost?

First off, you’d have to build lots of fences. Dale Stoutenburg, mechanical technician with Gallagher Security—a multinational fence manufacturer that provides electrified barriers for ports, corrections facilities, and ranches—says the company is capable of building fences up to 75 miles long. If nothing else, they’re pretty easy to power—given that the southern border is a desert, solar panels would provide a self-sufficient energy source. Stoutenburg says a panel the size of a big-screen TV could power a 50-mile stretch of 3,000-volt fence.

But from there, things quickly get complicated. Generally speaking, electrified security fences aren’t designed to provide a lethal shock. “We refer to it as a ‘safe but memorable’ pulse; you don’t want to attempt to climb it, but it’s safe,” says Nathan Leaphart, CFO of Electric Guard Dog, a South Carolina-based company that makes perimeter electric security fences. “Really, the lethal electric fence market is extremely small. To my understanding it’s only for like maximum security prison-type situations. Occasionally, will see it on the local news, but frankly no one’s ever asked me to build one.”

Killing someone with an electric fence takes a good deal of engineering. It has a lot less to do with voltage than the force of the current. If the current isn’t strong enough, the shockee might just keep on climbing—and if the current is too strong, the chances of it being lethal start to go back down. At 200 milliamps of current you might end up with third degree burns and be knocked unconscious for a bit, but on the upside, you’ll be thrown off the fence almost immediately. This clip from   Jurassic Park , in which a 30-foot-high electrified dino-fence shocks a young boy, illustrates that point:

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So if you really want a lethal fence, you’ll need a sustained current (as opposed to a pulse, which switches on and off every couple of seconds) that’s low enough so that the shockee will essentially be paralyzed and unable to release his or her grip, thereby staying on the fence long enough to killed. That kind of killer shock happens from time to time with livestock, which become entangled in electrified fences and die from the extended electrocution. Cain’s proposed fence also calls for barbed wire on the top, which is not recommended for electric fences because of the risk that animals or people will become trapped on the fence. But in this case, since lethality is the goal, it would actually be a benefit.

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Rio Grande flooding near Presidio, Texas, in 2008  Courtesy of the National Park Service. If President Cain decided to go ahead with the construction of an entirely new fence the length of the border, he would run into another fairly significant hurdle: water. The Rio Grande doubles as the international border from El Paso to the Gulf of Mexico. It’s anything but an unmovable line in the sand: In 2008, it rose 27 feet in some places and left parts of the Big Bend region in West Texas underwater. If an electrified fence is submerged, it could be rendered functionally useless.

“The fence would still try to power through the water to get through that, but it’d be bogged down so hard the shock value wouldn’t be worth nothing,” Stoutenburg says. Also, he says, “The real problem is moving water and what it carries with it.” A downed power line or any large object in the floodwaters could function as a battering ram against the fence. Another problem is that a fence along the river could turn into a dam when the river spills over, potentially altering the course of the Rio Grande—and the border itself. “That would be very hard to control and unengineer and fix, and would be in violation of treaties with Mexico,” says Matt Clark, of Defenders of Wildlife in Arizona, which monitors environmental issues in the Southwest.

“Really, the lethal electric fence market is extremely small. To my understanding it’s only for like maximum security prison-type situations.”

So how much would this electrified border fence cost? First, you’d need to build a new fence from scratch; you couldn’t simply run a wire through the existing stretches of fence. “We really can’t electrify an existing fence,” Leaphart says. “Just the way these electrical pulses work, you can’t make it operate in something that’s built in the manner that a chain link fence is built. It’s an independent fence and you have to have isolated wires that are kept off of holes to keep them from [wearing] out. It really does have to be built separately.”

Cain,   along with Rep. Michele Bachmann , has specified that the fence should extend across the entire southern border and should be contiguous (as opposed to the “virtual fence” of surveillance cameras and drones the feds use in some parts). The border with Mexico is about 2,000 miles long, stretching from Brownsville, Texas, on the Gulf of Mexico to San Diego on the Pacific. But the per-mile cost of building a fence can fluctuate significantly—anywhere from $2 million to $70 million per mile depending on the terrain and the style of fence. It’s relatively easy to get construction equipment and laborers to operate it in San Diego; it’s a lot harder to get it into the middle of Cabeza Prieta National Wildlife Refuge in Arizona. And no one’s even tried to come up with a cost estimate for a fence through Big Bend National Park, which hugs 244 miles of the border in Texas. Much of that route is inaccessible to vehicle traffic, and a lot of it is inaccessible even by foot. Especially the part of the border that’s a giant canyon:

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Santa Elena Canyon, Big Bend National Park   Longhorndave/Flickr From the Border Patrol’s perspective, there is no need for a fence in these kinds of inaccessible or inhospitable areas; the unrelenting desert is a sufficient obstacle. The agency maintains that only 652 miles of the southern border actually need a man-made physical deterrent; 649 miles of barriers and fences have already been installed.

So what’s the bottom line? A 2006   Congressional Research Service report   (PDF) found that the total cost of building and maintaining a fence along 700 miles of the border could be as high as $50 billion. The   New York Times   pegged it   at about $22.4 billion to complete a contiguous border fence for the other 1,400 miles—and that’s not including the cost of purchasing land. Those two calculations are a bit imprecise and based on different sets of assumptions—Cain himself might say they’re “ apples and oranges “—but they’re at least a starting point. You might realistically peg the cost of a second fence, this one with a near-continuous electric pulse capable of killing a human, at certainly no less than $75 billion. And unlike the Great Wall of China, which Cain has previously floated as a model, the fence he’s talking about building is only expected to last 20 to 25 years.

On the plus side, that makes the money spent on warning signs look like lunch money. As Cain noted, the electric border fence would have to have “a sign on the other side that says, ‘It can kill you!'” But for liability purposes, you would want signs on both sides of the border, since the fence wouldn’t discriminate between unlucky American citizens and foreigners. Leaphart’s company recommends placing a warning sign every 50 to 100 feet. For the entire length of the border, that adds up to about 106,000 signs per side. Using the conservative assumption that the signs would   cost $100 apiece , they’d cost $21.2 million. It’s also considered standard practice to construct a barrier such as a nonelectric chain-link fence in front of the electrified fence, to prevent accidents.

To Cain’s credit, there are precedents for constructing an electrified fence along the length of an international border. North Korea maintains its 151-mile demilitarized zone with South Korea through a combination of deadly electrified fences and land mines. India has built hundreds of miles of electrified fences through Kashmir to stop militants from smuggling weapons (though the project took 15 years). And ironically, Uzbekistan, which Cain recently referred to dismissively as “ Ubeki-beki-beki-beki-stan-stan ,” has built a 380-volt electrified fence along its 130-mile border with Afghanistan.

Update:   Here’s one last challenge, which applies to all border fences, but especially electric ones given the effe: how to deal with the Rio Grande’s tributaries? The   Pecos River , for instance, flows for 926 miles, before emptying into the Rio Grande.

 
 
 
WallyW
1.1.3  WallyW  replied to  r.t..b... @1.1.1    one month ago
The shock is that anyone stills believes a wall is the solution. 

What's the left wing solution?

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
1.1.4  Freedom Warrior  replied to  r.t..b... @1.1.1    one month ago

 The only people that don’t believe it will work or at least are saying as much are ones that don’t want it to work.  That is of course why they said it because they know it will be effective so in reality this shock reference is all a fucking ruse.  Fortunately  some of us who have seen the fence and know the people that defend the border can make that statement definitively. 

 
 
 
r.t..b...
1.1.5  r.t..b...  replied to  Freedom Warrior @1.1.4    one month ago
know it will be effective

It will be as effective as the current enforcement of immigration laws in the hiring of illegals. It will be as effective as the current immigration courts in hearing and clearing the backlog of cases. It will be as effective as our foreign policy has been for decades in Central America. It will be as effective as our leaders and legislators make everything they touch work...as counter-productive and as ineffective as their rhetoric.

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
1.1.6  Freedom Warrior  replied to  r.t..b... @1.1.1    one month ago

 The only people that don’t believe it will work or at least are saying as much are ones that don’t want it to work.  That is of course why they said it because they know it will be effective so in reality this shock reference is all a fucking ruse.  Fortunately  some of us who have seen the fence and know the people that defend the border can make that statement definitively. 

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
1.1.7  Freedom Warrior  replied to  r.t..b... @1.1.5    one month ago

That's all changing now to the better.  That's a known fact.  Which is making the open border advocates lose their minds.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
1.1.8  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  WallyW @1.1.3    one month ago

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The Magic Eight Ball
1.1.9  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  WallyW @1.1.3    one month ago
What's the left wing solution?

open borders.

 
 
 
squiggy
1.2  squiggy  replied to  Tessylo @1    one month ago

So, the first illegal to discover an enhancement won't educate the followers? Why do you think immigrants are fucking idiots?

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.2.1  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  squiggy @1.2    one month ago

I don't think immigrants are idiots.  I think the 'president' and his supporters are.  

 
 
 
SteevieGee
1.2.2  SteevieGee  replied to  squiggy @1.2    one month ago

Maybe he won't be there having already figured out a way over anyway.  A large rubber floor mat tossed over the fence and a ladder perhaps?

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
1.2.3  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  SteevieGee @1.2.2    one month ago

Let us know how that works out for ya.

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loki12
1.2.4  loki12  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @1.2.3    one month ago

That 30 foot drop is going to be a bitch, plus hauling a 30 foot ladder through the desert? That's going to be a lot of fun.

 
 
 
Tessylo
2  seeder  Tessylo    one month ago

Fucking idiot.  

 
 
 
Tacos!
2.1  Tacos!  replied to  Tessylo @2    one month ago
Fucking idiot.

Then I guess everyone who ever put a warning sign on an electric fence is an idiot, too. Apparently, you'd rather just see people walk up to the thing and get shocked.

 
 
 
Tessylo
2.1.1  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Tacos! @2.1    one month ago

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Dean Moriarty
3  Dean Moriarty    one month ago

Good thing the Army falls under his command and he is the Commander in Chief. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
3.1  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Dean Moriarty @3    one month ago

The 'president is a fucking moron and is more the like the shitstain in chief.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
3.2  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Dean Moriarty @3    one month ago

It's moronic to go against what advisers tell him, including the military.  But we know that no one can tell that fucking moron anything because he knows EVERYTHING, NOT.  

 
 
 
Tacos!
3.2.1  Tacos!  replied to  Tessylo @3.2    one month ago
It's moronic to go against what advisers tell him, including the military. 

What do you know about it? You don't think a president ever disregarded the advice of a general?

 
 
 
Tessylo
3.2.2  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Tacos! @3.2.1    one month ago
What do you know about it?

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
3.3  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Dean Moriarty @3    one month ago

It is in name only.  He is not fit to be anything related to the military as he was a draft dodger.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
3.3.1  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @3.3    one month ago
It is in name only.  He is not fit to be anything related to the military as he was a draft dodger.

So Mr. Clinton wasn't fit...........and Mr. Biden should just drop out now?

"Mr. Biden never served in the military. He received 5 draft deferments during the Vietnam War."

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
3.3.2  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.3.1    one month ago

They are progressive leftist liberal Democrats. They get a free pass....

 
 
 
Tessylo
3.3.3  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @3.3.2    one month ago

Since when?

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
3.3.4  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Tessylo @3.3.3    one month ago

Pretty much started for real in 2008 when President Obama got elected the first time, but I know you will deny this.

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
4  The Magic Eight Ball    one month ago
 Army General Asks Him Not To Discuss In Public

funny thing... presidents do not answer to generals.

 

 
 
 
Tessylo
4.1  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @4    one month ago

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The Magic Eight Ball
4.1.1  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  Tessylo @4.1    one month ago
How stupid.  

yepp. thinking a president answers to a general is kind of stupid.

no doubt :)

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
4.1.2  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @4.1.1    one month ago

God forbid he takes advice from an expert.

 
 
 
Tacos!
4.1.3  Tacos!  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @4.1.2    one month ago
God forbid he takes advice from an expert.

An expert in what? He supervised the building of a fence.

 
 
 
loki12
4.1.4  loki12  replied to  Tacos! @4.1.3    one month ago

Help me out here, Didn't trump say the wall as wired.......And then asked the general?  So what is he supposed to do? then say it's not wired? so the left can whine about that? 

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
4.1.5  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @4.1.2    one month ago
God forbid he takes advice from an expert

an expert?  LOL

most experts are just highly paid morons with opinions.

every expert said trump would never win in 2016

how'd that work out?

"experts," they say... LOL

too funny :)

hint: for every expert that says do one thing. you can find another expert who says the opposite.

the word "expert is seriously over-rated.

cheers :)

 
 
 
Tacos!
4.1.6  Tacos!  replied to  loki12 @4.1.4    one month ago

That could be. I just figure it can't possibly matter.

 
 
 
Tessylo
4.1.7  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @4.1.1    one month ago

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Tessylo
4.1.8  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @4.1.5    one month ago

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lib50
4.2  lib50  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @4    one month ago
funny thing... presidents do not answer to generals.

funnier thing......presidents do not usually give out national security secrets and make promises to adversaries that are not in US national interests. 

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
4.2.1  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  lib50 @4.2    one month ago
.presidents do not usually give out national security secrets

presidents decide what is a national security secret and what is not.

 
 
 
Tacos!
4.2.2  Tacos!  replied to  lib50 @4.2    one month ago
presidents do not usually give out national security secrets

I hope you don't think a vague reference that a fence is "wired" constitutes a "national security secret."

 
 
 
MUVA
4.2.3  MUVA  replied to  lib50 @4.2    one month ago

Usually they just tell them they will have more flexibility after the election.

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
4.2.4  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @4.2.1    one month ago
presidents decide what is a national security secret and what is not.

And you think Trump is qualified to determine such a thing?  I would have gone to my grave thinking you were smarter than that.

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
4.2.5  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @4.2.4    one month ago
And you think Trump is qualified to determine such a thing?

the only requirement to be qualified to determine such a thing is being president of these united states. 

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
4.2.6  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  MUVA @4.2.3    one month ago
Usually they just tell them they will have more flexibility after the election.

amazing how the left likes to forget that... LOL

cheers :)

 
 
 
Tessylo
4.2.7  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @4.2.4    one month ago
'I would have gone to my grave thinking you were smarter than that.'

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Tacos!
5  Tacos!    one month ago

When you're the boss, you can have lots of people to give you advice. However, because you're the boss, you still get to make the decisions. 

Personally, I am all for Trump filling people's heads with mysterious thoughts about the devastating technology in our border wall. It will just discourage even more people from trying to get across.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
5.1  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Tacos! @5    one month ago
It will just discourage even more people from trying to get across.

Or raise their morbid curiosity as to whether it's true or not. "Curiosity killed el gato".

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bccrane
5.2  bccrane  replied to  Tacos! @5    one month ago

That does work, just the impression is effective.  I used to do this while hunting raccoon, the group of us would come to a wire fence, I would touch the fence and immediately recoil and curse as if shocked, no one would cross it even after I went ahead and crossed myself.

 
 
 
Tessylo
5.2.1  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  bccrane @5.2    one month ago

Where'd you get that from, Jurassic Park?

Wow, so original.  

 
 
 
bccrane
5.2.2  bccrane  replied to  Tessylo @5.2.1    one month ago

Yeah, I was a bit humbled that Steven was able to work that into a movie after watching me do that while hunting with us in the 80's./s

 
 
 
Tessylo
5.3  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Tacos! @5    one month ago

The 'president's' head is full of mysterious thoughts and shit and insane rantings.

 
 
 
Ender
6  Ender    one month ago

Well this is a shocking development...

Sorry, couldn't help myself.

 
 
 
†hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh
7  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh    one month ago

Like most stories on the Donald we really have no idea if it's true.  The media has gotten it wrong so many times in the last three years. 

On another note. They are actually building wall?

We hear every day that no wall has been built in the last two years even though several ranchers have posted pics of new wall.

 
 
 
lib50
7.1  lib50  replied to  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh @7    one month ago
On another note. They are actually building wall?

Ah, no.  Its just replacement wall.  Conned again!

 
 
 
MUVA
7.1.1  MUVA  replied to  lib50 @7.1    one month ago

Replacement wall = new wall .

 
 
 
Tacos!
7.1.2  Tacos!  replied to  lib50 @7.1    one month ago

Next time you buy a car, be sure to tell people it's not a new car, but a "replacement car." Just expect them to roll their eyes real hard. 

 
 
 
MUVA
7.1.3  MUVA  replied to  Tacos! @7.1.2    one month ago

When we tore down are old shop the new one we built was called the new shop not replacement shop.jrSmiley_13_smiley_image.gif  

 
 
 
KDMichigan
7.1.4  KDMichigan  replied to  lib50 @7.1    one month ago
Its just replacement wall. 

256

 
 
 
Tessylo
7.1.5  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Tacos! @7.1.2    one month ago

Nope it's replacement, NOT NEW.  

 
 
 
lib50
7.1.6  lib50  replied to  Tacos! @7.1.2    one month ago
Next time you buy a car, be sure to tell people it's not a new car, but a "replacement car."

Boy, he really wants credit for that wall Mexico isn't paying for, and he want you to believe its new wall in an area not previously walled. Clarification is important.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
7.1.7  igknorantzrulz  replied to  lib50 @7.1.6    one month ago

context and clarification are WAY over rated

 
 
 
Tessylo
7.1.8  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  lib50 @7.1.6    one month ago

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Dismayed Patriot
7.1.9  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Tacos! @7.1.2    one month ago
Next time you buy a car, be sure to tell people it's not a new car, but a "replacement car."

A better analogy would be if Trump promised you a new house and your ex-wife was going to have to pay for it. Then, when you voted for him and got him elected he says "Here you go, how do you like your new house?" and you reply "Well, you said I would get a new house, but you just tore down one of my exiting walls and replaced it, but I'm still in the old house, and I got a bill for it too, you said my ex-wife would pay for it". But I'm sure any true Trump supporter would be able to turn that "new wall" to your house into a "promises kept" campaign and all the other Trump supporters who are just soooo smart will buy it. And that's even after they were told "Well, your ex-wife gave us a hard 'No!' when we asked her to pay for it, so we'll just have to take it out of your taxes and take some money from our national defense and military which makes us less safe and gives Putin a big win, but don't worry, you'll get your new house, one replacement wall at a time...".

 
 
 
Tacos!
7.1.10  Tacos!  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @7.1.9    one month ago
A better analogy would be if Trump promised you a new house and your ex-wife was going to have to pay for it.

It's not better because we haven't been talking about who would pay for the wall, so including it in a new analogy isn't really appropriate. We've just been talking about the wall itself.

you said I would get a new house, but you just tore down one of my exiting walls and replaced it, but I'm still in the old house

This also doesn't work because in your analogy, 1) you're only replacing a small part of something that otherwise remains in tact and 2) the functionality does not change.

At the border, we aren't just removing part of a wall and replacing it with the same kind of wall. We are removing fencing that is 6 feet high and replacing it with something 30 feet high.

We are also replacing sections meant only to stop cars but they couldn't stop people. The new walls have greater functionality and will stop both.

The old fence is varied, but sections of it look like this:

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The new fencing looks like this (I hope you can see there is a big difference!):

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Tessylo
7.2  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh @7    one month ago

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pat wilson
8  pat wilson    one month ago

Sometimes it feels like Groundhog Day here on NT.

 
 
 
MUVA
8.1  MUVA  replied to  pat wilson @8    one month ago

I would say that is accurate.

 
 
 
KDMichigan
8.2  KDMichigan  replied to  pat wilson @8    one month ago
Sometimes it feels like Groundhog Day here on NT.

I agree 100%. Ever since January 20th 2017 it has been nothing but , But...But....But Trump, with hardly anything to bitch about but feelings.

Here is hoping it carries Democrat's thru the 2020 elections. jrSmiley_13_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
MUVA
8.2.1  MUVA  replied to  KDMichigan @8.2    one month ago

I think the democrats are running out of steam the protests have for the most part stopped their Russia narrative as been false.

 
 
 
†hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh
8.2.2  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh  replied to  MUVA @8.2.1    one month ago

I wonder if we could build the wall with recycled straws?

We could curb illegal immigration and stop climate change dead in it's tracks.

Maybe we could get a Teen from Sweden or another nordic country to travel the world and lecture adults on this.

 
 
 
pat wilson
8.2.3  pat wilson  replied to  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh @8.2.2    one month ago
Maybe we could get a Teen from Sweden or another nordic country to travel the world and lecture adults on this.

That's exactly who trump wants to immigrate !

 
 
 
Tessylo
8.2.4  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh @8.2.2    one month ago

Bored?  Not enough action on your Michelle Obama has a penis thread or other nonsense?

 
 
 
Tessylo
8.2.5  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh @8.2.2    one month ago

Those teens have more sense than most adults, especially the climate change deniers here on Newstalkers and elsewhere.

I watched that young lady on Trevor Noah last night.  She says people are arguing about it here.

Where she comes from, they are not arguing about it, they know it's happening.  They're not idiots.  

 
 
 
lib50
8.2.6  lib50  replied to  Tessylo @8.2.4    one month ago
Not enough action on your Michelle Obama has a penis thread or other nonsense?

Aww, guess I'll have to go check in with BF's dick thread again, give him a little boost. Must be a little tweaked at the whistleblower clusterfuck.

 
 
 
Tessylo
8.2.7  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  lib50 @8.2.6    one month ago

See I can't flag anymore so now the usual offenders are really doubling down on the nonsense memes and nonsense. Not that much was done about it before anyway.  

The nonsense meme perpetrators and the like are being allowed to run amok and I'm sure someone will close the thread soon because certain moderators are allowing them to get away with it.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
8.2.8  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  MUVA @8.2.1    one month ago

It's not false.  All the complaints against the turd in chief are true.  

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
8.2.9  Trout Giggles  replied to  Tessylo @8.2.7    one month ago

Your flagging abilities were taken away?????

The next thing to go will be your ability to seed. Hard to moderate a seed when you can't flag anybody

 
 
 
Tessylo
8.2.10  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Trout Giggles @8.2.9    one month ago

Yup, until October 30th I think.

Like I said, certain folks will overrun the seed with their nonsense and nonsense memes and they'll lock it down while I have no control over my own seed.  

And I'm up for suspension also because certain posters are able to say whatever the hell they please and I'm not allowed to respond in kind.  

The lunatics are taking over the asylum.  

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
8.2.11  Trout Giggles  replied to  Tessylo @8.2.10    one month ago

I think a certain someone or somebodies want to chase you out of here

 
 
 
Tessylo
8.2.12  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Trout Giggles @8.2.11    one month ago

Yes, I have a fan club here and I'm not flattered.  

 
 
 
†hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh
8.2.13  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh  replied to  lib50 @8.2.6    one month ago
Must be a little tweaked at the whistleblower clusterfuck.

I enjoyed it. Very funny and entertaining. Good to see the humor on the fp.

 
 
 
JBB
8.3  JBB  replied to  pat wilson @8    one month ago

Like deja vu all over again and again and again...

 
 
 
squiggy
8.3.1  squiggy  replied to  JBB @8.3    one month ago

Yes. Now ya got it - Stormy Daniels, Income Taxes, Wall, Pussy Grab, Putin, Ivanka and Guns. A weekly carousel.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
9  Just Jim NC TttH    one month ago

320

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
10  Just Jim NC TttH    one month ago

Noticed if you read the transcript of the article provided, the title is misleading. Instead of "Trump tells reporters border wall is ‘wired’, immediately after army general asks him not to discuss in public" it should read

Trump tells reporters border wall is ‘wired’, immediately after, army general asks him not to discuss in public

Note the comma (for our liberal friends that indicates a short pause) between after and army. And that is what occurred.

"Turning to Lt Gen Todd Semonite, chief of the US Army Corps of Engineers, Mr Trump added: “You may want to discuss that a little bit, general.”

But he was told: “Sir, there could be some merit in not discussing it.”

Original headline seems to indicate that the chief told him ahead of his original statement to not discuss it when indeed, (and he didn't ask him not to, just that there could be some merit in not discussing it) the statement by Mr. Trump was already out there.

 
 
 
Tessylo
10.1  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @10    one month ago

That's the exact title I copied from Yahoo.

Go tell the moderators then.  I'm sure you already have.  

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
10.1.2  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Tessylo @10.1    one month ago

I know that is the exact title. I read the link. I wasn't pointing the finger at you I was saying the original post OF the article was misleading. And no I haven't said shit to the moderators. There is no need. My comment wasn't directed at you. I'm not as vindictive as some who don't like to be proven wrong.

 
 
 
Tessylo
11  seeder  Tessylo    one month ago

Riiiiiggghhhhhtttttttt

I've got work in the real world to do.  

Toodles. 

 
 
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