If This Isn’t Impeachable, Nothing Is


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Via:  john-russell  •  last year  •  39 comments

If This Isn’t Impeachable, Nothing Is
If this, in itself, is not impeachable, then the concept has no meaning. Trump’s grubby commandeering of the presidency’s fearsome and nearly uncheckable powers in foreign policy for his o

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If This Isn’t Impeachable, Nothing Is

The president of the United States reportedly sought the help of a foreign government against an American citizen who might challenge him for his office. This is the single most important revelation   in a scoop by   The Wall Street Journal ,   and if it is true, then President Donald Trump should be impeached and removed from office immediately.

Until now, there was room for reasonable disagreement over impeachment both as a matter of politics and a matter of tactics. The Mueller Report revealed despicably unpatriotic behavior by Trump and his minions, but it did not trigger a political judgment with a majority of Americans that it warranted impeachment. The Democrats, for their part, remained unwilling to risk their new majority in Congress on a move destined to fail in a Republican-controlled Senate.

Now, however, we face an entirely new situation. In a call to the new president of Ukraine, Trump reportedly attempted to pressure the leader of a sovereign state into conducting an investigation – a witch hunt, one might call it – of a U.S. citizen, former Vice President Joe Biden, and his son, Hunter Biden.

As   Ukrainian Interior Ministry official Anton Geraschenko told   The Daily Beast   when asked about the president’s apparent requests: “Clearly, Trump is now looking for   kompromat   to discredit his opponent Biden, to take revenge for his friend Paul Manafort, who is serving seven years in prison.”


If this, in itself, is not impeachable, then the concept has no meaning. Trump’s grubby commandeering of the presidency’s fearsome and nearly uncheckable powers in foreign policy for his own ends is a gross abuse of power and an affront both to our constitutional order and to the integrity of our elections.

The story may even be worse than we know. If Trump tried to use military aid to Ukraine as leverage, as reporters are now investigating, then he held Ukrainian and American security hostage to his political vendettas. It means nothing to say that no such deal was reached; the important point is that Trump abused his position in the Oval Office.

In this matter, we need not rely on a newspaper account, nor even on the complaint, so far unseen, of a whistleblower. Instead, we have a sweaty, panicked admission on national television by Trump’s bizarre homunculus, Rudy Giuliani, that he did in fact seek such an investigation on Trump’s behalf. Giuliani later again confirmed Trump’s role, tweeting that a “President telling a Pres-elect of a well known corrupt country he better investigate corruption that affects US is doing his job.”

Let us try, as we always find ourselves doing in the age of Trump, to think about how Americans might react if this happened in any other administration. Imagine, for example, if Bill Clinton had called his friend, Russian President Boris Yeltsin, in 1996, and asked him to investigate Bob Dole. Or if George W. Bush had called, say, President Vincente Fox of Mexico in 2004 and asked him – indeed, asked him   eight times , according to the   Wall Street Journal   - to open a case against John Kerry. Clinton, of course, was eventually impeached for far less than that. Is there any doubt that either man would have been put on trial in the Senate, and likely chased from office?

The Republicans, predictably, have decided to choose their party over their country, and the damage control and lying have begun.   Senator Josh Hawley of Missouri, for one , has already floated the reliable “deep state attack” nonsense that will play well on Fox and other conservative outlets. And while Giuliani did Trump no favors with his incoherent ranting on CNN, he did manage to hammer away at the idea that Biden, and not Trump, tried to shake down the Ukrainians while he was vice president.

The problem for Giuliani, the Republicans, and the president himself, however, is that Biden and his actions are now irrelevant to the offenses committed by Trump. The   accusations against Biden are false , as we know from multiple fact checks and from the Ukrainians themselves (which is why I won’t deign to repeat them here). But even to argue over this fable about Biden is to miss the point, because it changes nothing about Trump’s attempts to enmesh Biden in a foreign investigation for Trump’s own purposes.

There is no spin, no deflection, no alternate theory of the case that can get around the central fact that President Trump attempted to use his office for his own gain, and that he put the foreign policy and the national security of the United States at risk while doing so. He ignored his duty as the commander in chief by intentionally trying to place an American citizen in jeopardy with a foreign government. He abandoned his obligations to the Constitution by elevating his own interests over the national interest. By comparison, Watergate was a complicated judgment call.

In a better time and in a better country, Republicans would now join with Democrats and press for Trump’s impeachment. This won’t happen, of course; even many of Biden’s competitors for the presidency seem to be keeping their distance from this mess, perhaps in the hope that Biden and Trump will engage in a kind of mutually assured political destruction. (Elizabeth Warren, for one,   renewed her call for impeachment – but without mentioning Biden .) This is to their shame. The Democratic candidates should now unite around a call for an impeachment investigation, not for Biden’s sake, but to protect the sanctity of our elections from a predatory president who has made it clear he will stop at nothing to stay in the White House.

I am speaking only for myself as an American citizen. I believe in our Constitution, and therefore I must accept that Donald Trump is the president and the commander in chief until the Congress or the people of the United States say otherwise. But if this kind of dangerous, unhinged hijacking of the powers of the presidency is not enough for either the citizens or their elected leaders to demand Trump’s removal, then we no longer have an accountable executive branch, and we might as well just admit that we have chosen to elect a monarch and be done with the illusion of constitutional order in the United States.


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1  seeder  JohnRussell    last year

It's time to get rid of this embarrassing clown. 

Greg Jones
1.1  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @1    last year

It's not impeachable, John.

1.1.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Greg Jones @1.1    last year

You are not someone I go to for political analysis Greg, sorry. 

1.1.2  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.1    last year

Tom Nichols is a conservative, and a national security expert who has taught at the Naval War College . I think I'll take his word over yours. 

Greg Jones
1.1.3  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.1    last year

And you are not someone I would go to for accurate and balanced information.

I don't see why the Dims don't start impeachment proceedings.

Are they afraid of failure?

Release The Kraken
2  Release The Kraken    last year

You do realize Biden is on video telling the story how he extorted the Ukrainian government to fire the prosecutor investigating his son?

Ukraine is a Biden scandal, nice spin.

2.1  MAGA  replied to  Release The Kraken @2    last year

Exactly right.  In Trumps case nothing is impeachable now.  This is as you proved,  a Biden scandal only.  

2.1.1  MrFrost  replied to  MAGA @2.1    last year
In Trumps case nothing is impeachable now.

Trump has committed more impeachable offenses than any president in history. 

2.1.2  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  MAGA @2.1    last year
This is as you proved,  a Biden scandal only.

He "proved" something?

Greg Jones
2.1.3  Greg Jones  replied to  MrFrost @2.1.1    last year

List each one and explain in detail why they are impeachable.

2.1.4  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Greg Jones @2.1.3    last year
List each one and explain in detail why they are impeachable.

Recite the Tasmanian alphabet for me backwards, repeating each vowel five times. 

Not a serious request you say?

Neither is yours. 

Greg Jones
2.1.5  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.4    last year

So you admit he's done nothing impeachable.

2.1.6  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Greg Jones @2.1.5    last year

I admit that you want to waste everyone's time. 

2.1.7  bugsy  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.6    last year

Greg asked Mr Frost to list the offenses that Trump has done that is impeachable. You came to his rescue by doing nothing but placing snarky comments. Can you answer Greg's question?

Please list the offenses Trump has "committed" that are impeachable.

Please don't insert your feelings of raging hate into your "list" It means nothing.

2.1.8  MrFrost  replied to  Greg Jones @2.1.3    last year

List each one and explain in detail why they are impeachable.

Read the Mueller report. It's in there. 10x. 

2.1.9  bugsy  replied to  MrFrost @2.1.8    last year

I read the report. Mueller nor his handlers stated they could not come to a conclusion, and no, it was not because of DOJ guidelines. Mueller said so himself. Barr said there was nothing indictable...10x

So...you are asked again.

List the impeachable offenses Trump has committed.

2.1.10  Ronin2  replied to  MrFrost @2.1.1    last year

Then what are the Democrats waiting for. Impeach away. Get the shit show over with. Contact your Democratic reps and ask what they are waiting for?

Do they even have the votes to get Impeachment in the House?


As lawmakers return to Washington this week, Democrats are being prodded by progressive activists and groups to take aggressive action against the president, but Rep. John Yarmuth, D-Ky., said the votes for impeachment just aren't there. ...

Judiciary Committee Chairman Jerry Nadler, D-N.Y., surprised political onlookers by recently declaring the House had begun formal impeachment proceedings. He has since made court filings seeking more access to special counsel Robert Mueller’s evidence and witnesses as part of his panel's investigation.

Critics of that course of action, including senior Democrats, are concerned that impeaching Trump will embolden his base ahead of the 2020 elections. Speaker Nancy Pelosi, for instance, stiff-armed the idea by saying last week the "public isn’t there on impeachment."

Asked whether the 235-member Democratic caucus can get to the needed majority, Yarmuth expressed doubts in an interview with the Courier Journal.

"I don't think we do right now," he said. "And I think that is really what is guiding Nancy in remaining reluctant to bring impeachment proceedings because she knows, at least at this point she believes, there's no way we can get 218 votes."


The number of Democrats in the U.S. House of Representatives who favor starting an impeachment inquiry for President Donald Trump has been increasing gradually and has reached 131 , according to CNN. And certainly, there is a mountain of evidence in former Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s final report on the Russia investigation that makes a strong case for pursuing impeachment. But House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has demurred from pursuing impeachment, stressing that Democrats should instead focus their energy on: (1) ongoing investigations of the president by House committees, and (2) fighting to get Trump out of office by electing a Democratic president in 2020. As Pelosi seems to see it, Democrats need to put their time and energy into not only getting Trump voted out of office next year but also into obtaining a majority in the U.S. Senate. Besides, from Pelosi’s point of view, an impeachment inquiry may be a waste of time for Democrats at this point because the votes that would be needed to remove Trump from office via the impeachment process simply aren’t there — not in the House, and definitely not in the Senate.

It would be a perfect ending to the Democratic shit show to fail to even impeach in the House. So by all means go for it. The only ones that will be hurting will be the Democrats.


2.1.11  MrFrost  replied to  bugsy @2.1.9    last year
Mueller said so himself.

He also said that if trump and his campaign had committed no crimes, he would have said so. 


Enjoy.. :)


2.1.12  bugsy  replied to  MrFrost @2.1.11    last year

You go ahead and believe what you want. Nobody is stopping you. Now, you could not answer Greg's question, so how about answering Ronin's question.

What are you waiting for? What is the DEMOCRATIC House waiting for? Impeach him. Get it over with. We are getting tired of "Well, we are possibly looking into possible allegations that may bring us to an investigation to possibly impeach sometime in the fall and maybe the spring.

Face it. This is all to keep a fake cloud over the President until the 2020 election. You tried impeaching him even before he was elected, then inaugurated in 2016, and you still have a President Trump. Nothing will cange after the 2020 election.

2.1.13  bugsy  replied to  MrFrost @2.1.11    last year
He also said that if trump and his campaign had committed no crimes, he would have said so. 

Mueller had no idea what was in the report he "wrote".

The safe way out for his handlers that did write the report was to say they would have said there were no crimes committed if that were so. That was to keep the loons on the left rabid and give Mueller and his team of Trump haters out of hot water if they actually said anything different.

2.1.14  MrFrost  replied to  bugsy @2.1.12    last year
Face it. This is all to keep a fake cloud over the President until the 2020 election.

Not true, but even if it was... Ever hear of BENGHAZI(!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!). How long did the right wing milk that? 5 years, just to keep it in the media when election time rolled around? But now that the shoe is on the other foot, you cry foul? Please.. LOL 

2.2  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Release The Kraken @2    last year

You need to find some better, more reliable news sources. You've been peddling unreliable news on here for years. 

Release The Kraken
2.2.1  Release The Kraken  replied to  JohnRussell @2.2    last year

We can take a little walk through your seeding history, 2 years of seeds that were debunked.

I bow to your success peddling fake news.

2.2.2  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Release The Kraken @2.2.1    last year

Only one of us has seeded from Infowars, Brietbart, Sorcha Faal, Before It's News, Gateway Pundit, and on and on. 

It ain't me. 

Greg Jones
2.2.3  Greg Jones  replied to  Release The Kraken @2.2.1    last year

It's mostly fake, easily debunked, and not very important.to begin with.

2.2.4  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  JohnRussell @2.2.2    last year

Oh, let's not forget the immortal Moonbattery

Moonbattery - RationalWiki

https:// rationalwiki.org / wiki / Moonbattery

Moonbattery .com is a blog that alleges that it's keeping an eye on the American far-left. In reality, it's up there as one of the most despicable and horrifying sites in the wingnutsphere : B latant homophobia (gays are commonly referred to as "perverts") and rants about the " gay agenda " trying to destroy Christianity .

Release The Kraken
2.2.5  Release The Kraken  replied to  JohnRussell @2.2.4    last year

John you once used some guy named Gimlet Eye on twitter as a source.

You don't want to go there because it won't go well for you.

2.2.6  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Release The Kraken @2.2.5    last year

Gimlet Eye is not a source.  It was the screen name of a twitter account. The fact that you obsess over it years later is troublesome. 

Release The Kraken
2.2.7  Release The Kraken  replied to  JohnRussell @2.2.6    last year

Too funny!

2.3  bbl-1  replied to  Release The Kraken @2    last year

Actually your statement is a bald face lie.  Biden strongly demanded the government of Ukraine dismiss the prosecutor because the prosecutor would not and was covering up allegations of corruption.  Manafort ring a bell?  Or is the 'ole conservative'--no memory, honor or soul applicable here?

Nice spin, fish.  FSB instructions? 

3  Jack_TX    last year

Ah.  Another "impeach Trump" seed.  

There's a surprise.

Release The Kraken
3.1  Release The Kraken  replied to  Jack_TX @3    last year

Maybe we can get that drooling water head Bob Mueller to waste 30 million more of our tax dollars on a second special counsel.

The Magic Eight Ball
4  The Magic Eight Ball    last year

biden admitted he got the ukraine prosecutor fired... 

and trump is not going to be impeached.

but he will be re-elected.

5  XDm9mm    last year

I'll be the bearer of bad news JR...

Russia, Russia, Russia fell apart before your very eyes.

Collusion, Collusion, Collusion fell apart before your very eyes.

As will this latest rabid vitriol Trump diatribe.   But, it will be most interesting watching Biden claim that it was not him bragging on a video that he was responsible for getting the prosecutor investigating his son fired.  For the low price of the 1+ billion we gave Ukraine just after the prosecutor was removed.


Buzz of the Orient
6  Buzz of the Orient    last year

Why would Trump be worried about Biden?  Even Jimmy Carter thinks that since Biden will be an octogenarian in office if he is elected in 2020, he would most likely be prone to senility.  If the call of the youth was "Never trust anyone over 30", then why would young people vote for someone they would call "gandpa"?

7  livefreeordie    last year

Another laughable attempt by the anti American left.  Everyday America loving citizens are fed up with their nonstop attempts to destroy this country.  We will get in their faces by a landslide re-election victory for President Trump

this latest hoax now exposed


7.2  MrFrost  replied to  livefreeordie @7    last year

The link you posted is nothing but fake news, and only an opinion at that. 

8  Tacos!    last year
Until now, there was room for reasonable disagreement over impeachment both as a matter of politics and a matter of tactics.

That was so comically dishonest, I couldn't continue.



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