What You Need to Know About Trump’s Crowdstrike Conspiracy Theory

  
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What You Need to Know About Trump’s Crowdstrike Conspiracy Theory
Now, the readout of Trump’s call with the Ukrainian president takes the president’s conspiracy theorizing to another level. Not only has he endorsed this nonsensical theory on Twitter and in press conferences, but we now know he does it in private calls with foreign leaders

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Overlooked in all the attention paid to the Biden element in the transcript , was Trump's presenting a far right conspiracy to the Ukranian president. 

WASHINGTON — President Trump is our conspiracy-theorist-in-chief. The newly released readout of his phone call with the leader of  Ukraine  yet again confirms it.

  According to the  read-out of the conversation  released by the White House, Trump used his July 25th congratulatory call with the new Ukrainian president, Volodymyr Zelensky, to not only ask him to investigate former vice president Joe Biden but also to investigate an American cybersecurity company named Crowdstrike. 

“I would like you to do us a favor, though, because our country has been through a lot and Ukraine knows a lot about it,” Trump tells Zelensky, according to the readout. “I would like you to find out what happened with this whole situation with Ukraine. They say Crowdstrike…I guess you have one of your wealthy people…The server, they say Ukraine has it.”

Here’s the context needed to understand Trump’s disturbing, if somewhat incoherent, request.

Crowdstrike is a well-known cybersecurity firm based in the U.S. that the Democratic National Committee hired to investigate the successful hacking operation in 2016 that targeted the DNC. In June 2016, Crowdstrike  concluded  that two hacking operations — one known as Fancy Bear and the other Cozy Bear — were responsible for the devastating cyberattack on the DNC. Both Fancy Bear and Cozy Bear had strong connections to the Russian government, Crowdstrike said — a conclusion that was  later confirmed  by Special Counsel Robert Mueller.

On the far-right fringes, however, a conspiracy theory formed that Crowdstrike was somehow part of a Deep State plot to wrongly blame Russia for the DNC hack. This theory claims that because the DNC and Crowdstrike didn’t give the FBI the “server”   that was hacked, that was evidence of a cover-up. In Trump’s regurgitating of this theory to the Ukrainian president he also seemed to suggest that the DNC server in question had ended up in Ukraine because, as Trump has falsely claimed, Crowdstrike has Ukrainian owners. 

The underlying motivation of those supporting this theory (including Trump himself) is to deny that Russia carried out the DNC hacking scandal. If Russia didn’t hack the DNC, then the controversy around Russia’s efforts to elect Trump in 2016 would go away.

This is all nonsense. For starters, there is no single “server.” As Robert Mueller would later disclose, the DNC was forced to decommission more than 140 servers after the Russia hack. Thomas Rid, a cybersecurity expert and professor at Johns Hopkins University’s School of Advanced International Studies, has pointed out that the FBI didn’t need the servers themselves to fully investigate the DNC hack:


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This DNC-didn't-give-the-server-to-the-FBI idea makes no sense.

Investigators want:
—disk images of many machines *in the network*
—memory dumps of *connected* boxes
—the adversary's movement in situ (network logs)
—other data, eg exfil behavior

*Not* some disconnected server



 

By all indications, the FBI got what it needed from the DNC and Crowdstrike. Then-FBI Director James Comey testified that the bureau received from the DNC what he called an “appropriate substitute” for the servers and internet architecture in question. The voluminous results of the FBI’s investigation can be found in  Robert Mueller’s indictment  of 12 Russian intelligence officers for carrying out the DNC hack as well as the final Mueller report.

Crowdstrike sent a statement to  Rolling Stone  on Wednesday stating that “with regards to our investigation of the DNC hack in 2016, we provided all forensic evidence and analysis to the FBI. As we’ve stated before, we stand by our findings and conclusions that have been fully supported by the US Intelligence community.”

But conspiracy theorists rarely let facts get in the way, and the unhinged story about Crowdstrike and the “missing server” percolated on the right until it reached the president himself. 

Since taking office, Trump has tweeted close to a dozen times about the fictional “missing server” — indeed, it appears to be one of his go-to conspiracy theories.


 


 


Trump  told  the Associated Press in 2017 that Crowdstrike was owned by “a very rich Ukrainian.” (It’s not. It’s a  publicly traded company  with many different investors.) In the same interview, he said Crowdstrike and the DNC didn’t allow the FBI to “see the server.” (There wasn’t just one server, and the FBI  has said  it got full access to the forensic information it needed to conduct an investigation.)

Most infamously, when asked at a press conference with Russian President Vladimir Putin about Russia’s interference in the 2016 election, Trump responded by invoking the missing-server conspiracy theory. “You have groups that are wondering why the FBI never took the server?” he said. “Why was the FBI told to leave the office of the Democratic National Committee? I’ve been asking it for months and months. Where is the server? I want to know where is the server and what is the server saying?”

Now, the readout of Trump’s call with the Ukrainian president takes the president’s conspiracy theorizing to another level. Not only has he endorsed this nonsensical theory on Twitter and in press conferences, but we now know he does it in private calls with foreign leaders and is using the power of the oval office to press for actual investigations. 

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JohnRussell
1  seeder  JohnRussell    4 weeks ago
In Trump’s regurgitating of this theory to the Ukrainian president he also seemed to suggest that the DNC server in question had ended up in Ukraine because, as Trump has falsely claimed, Crowdstrike has Ukrainian owners. 

The underlying motivation of those supporting this theory (including Trump himself) is to deny that Russia carried out the DNC hacking scandal. If Russia didn’t hack the DNC, then the controversy around Russia’s efforts to elect Trump in 2016 would go away.

This is all nonsense.

Trumpsters love it when Trump talks nonsense. It empowers them and makes them think Trump makes liberals cry. 

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
1.1  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  JohnRussell @1    3 weeks ago
makes them think Trump makes liberals cry

He does...........................

 
 
 
JohnRussell
1.1.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @1.1    3 weeks ago

lol. 

Would you like to see images of Romney supporters crying on election night 2012 ? 

Say the word.  

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
1.1.2  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.1    3 weeks ago

Doesn't have anything to do with Trump but sure. Burn ya up some bandwidth.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
1.1.3  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @1.1    3 weeks ago
"makes them think Trump makes liberals cry" He does...

It's something that many bullies apparently crave, making those that intimidate them intellectually cry. There's nothing a muscle headed moron on the playground likes more than to torture and torment the smart kids, calling them names, attacking them physically, sticking their heads or books in the toilet, anything to make the bully feel better about themselves. And it's likely a cycle of abuse and ignorance having been passed down to the bully from a parent that beats them, treats them like shit, calls them useless and bullies them mercilessly at home, if they have one, telling them to "be a man" and to "stop crying" after getting hit in the head by a thrown half empty room temperature Pabst. That's all Trump is, a half witted school yard bully determined to attack anyone who might expose his complete lack of knowledge and intelligence. And I've no doubt many of his supporters see a kindred spirit in him and love it when he bullies those they despise, those who they believe expose their own lack of education and intelligence.

Personally, I don't want any religious conservative or Trump supporters to cry. I'd love to see them get educated, get trained for the jobs of the future and today in the tech fields which are only going to grow as the blue collar labor jobs that don't even require a high school diploma evaporate. I'd love for the partisan divide in this country to shrink and get everyone back to the unity we felt right after WW2 or after 9/11. Sadly, some extremists don't want to bring the country together and they refuse to compromise with the other side and have essentially adopted a scorched earth policy going so far as to side with a murderous Russian dictator instead of our own country.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
1.1.4  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @1.1.3    3 weeks ago
Sadly, some extremists don't want to bring the country together and they refuse to compromise with the other side

And THAT started the day after the election, through the inauguration, and to this day with the never Trumpers. Pink pussy hat marches, yelling at clouds, and exhibiting to the rest of the world what a bunch of candyassed losers half of the country is. Liberals deepened this divide that was started by the previous administration through those actions. And have continued with their shit show of non acceptance of a duly elected POTUS. You want to come together? Then perhaps you should talk long and hard with your like minds and tell them to STFU and enjoy the ride.............as much as they can cause it ISN'T going to change a damned thing. 

"Liberalism - Feelings over intellect disguised as the latter."

"Liberalism is a disease that only gets worse with time. Thus the term "progressive"."

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
1.1.5  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @1.1.4    3 weeks ago
And THAT started the day after the election

Well, technically it was the day of Obama's inauguration, not the election.

“If (Obama) was for it, we had to be against it,” "(McConnell) wanted everyone to hold the fort. All he cared about was making sure Obama could never have a clean victory.” said then Republican Senator George Voinovich of the inauguration day Republican meeting Mitch McConnell held January 20, 2009.

non acceptance of a duly elected POTUS

You mean the illicitly elected POS by a minority of American voters who had a ton of help from an enemy foreign government bent on destroying western democracy.

“President Putin, did you want President Trump to win the election and did you direct any of your officials to help him do that?” 

"Yes, I did. Yes, I did. Because he talked about bringing the U.S.–Russia relationship back to normal.” - Vladimir Putin after directing Russian assets to illegally hack Trumps political opponents just like Nixon had his aides do accept this time they weren't Americans but Russians with the agenda of getting Trump elected.

Russia also hacked 22 State voter databases, got US voter polling data from Paul Manafort, weaponized it and then targeted millions of Americans with a multi-million dollar social media campaign in Trumps favor. How exactly is a patriotic American supposed to just swallow that kind of disgusting criminality and embrace the POS that got elected by just 110,000 votes total in three swing states while losing the popular vote by 3 million. Trump is not who most Americans want as President and most find the method of his getting elected criminal regardless of whether Mueller was able to prove criminal conspiracy.

Republicans have created the divide and continue to widen it, Democrats have simply tried to get our nation back to the American values the majority support, that of freedom, justice and equality for all Americans regardless of race, gender, gender identity, sexual orientation, faith or lack thereof. Republicans reject those who don't share their narrow faith and warped desire for the old worthless white Christian patriarchy. We are getting more diverse regardless of how many whiny bigots wish we weren't, and no fantasy southern border wall is going to stop it.

Even though the divide is widening, what we see is that the "right" side of the divide is shrinking while the "left" side is growing and that is going to continue no matter what happens to the divide. Either those on the "right" will come back to their senses and embrace a diverse America, or they will find themselves on a narrow fringe clinging to survival as the divide they created pushes them off the map and the divide disappears because it will just be a void of emptiness on the right wing, not unlike current hollow right wing ideology.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2  seeder  JohnRussell    4 weeks ago

We now have the president of the United States spreading insane conspiracy theories to foreign leaders. 

Sounds like fodder for Saturday Night Live.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
2.1  Ozzwald  replied to  JohnRussell @2    3 weeks ago
We now have the president of the United States spreading insane conspiracy theories to foreign leaders.

Not for the 1st time, remember this little embarrassment?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
3  Vic Eldred    4 weeks ago

"Crowdstrike is a well-known cybersecurity firm based in the U.S. that the Democratic National Committee hired to investigate the successful hacking operation in 2016 that targeted the DNC. In June 2016, Crowdstrike   concluded   that two hacking operations — one known as Fancy Bear and the other Cozy Bear — were responsible for the devastating cyberattack on the DNC. Both Fancy Bear and Cozy Bear had strong connections to the Russian government, Crowdstrike said — a conclusion that was  later confirmed  by Special Counsel Robert Mueller."


Confirmed how?  Does this mean that American Intelligence took the word of a cybersecurity firm that Russia was connected to the hacking?  They didn't investigate the DNC hacking?  Yet the New York Times went out and falsely claimed that 17 US Intelligence agencies determined that Russia was behind the hacking?

So it was Crowdstrike that did the work and made the determination! Got it!  I don't blame the President for not wanting to know how they made the determination or why the Clinton campaign was using it during the 2016 campaign.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
4  Sean Treacy    4 weeks ago

If you want information from an actual investigative reporter writing for a respected media source, I'd suggest this story on Crowdstrike

https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2019/07/05/crowdstrikeout_muellers_own_report_undercuts_its_core_russia-meddling_claims.html

Or, if your prefer  your news from a far left pundit who opines for a music magazine, this  seed is for you. 

 
 
 
Transyferous Rex
4.1  Transyferous Rex  replied to  Sean Treacy @4    3 weeks ago

Right. What you need to know is what they want your knowledge limited to. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
4.2  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @4    3 weeks ago

You are using a source that is so far left that they think TYT and The Intercept are corporate stooges. 

I would have prima facie doubts about any source that thinks Mother Jones is too far to the right. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
4.3  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @4    3 weeks ago

How do you defend Donald Trump's slavish fondness for conspiracy theories? 

Just answer the question without referring to any particular source. 

Do you think he has even the slightest idea what he is talking about, or is he merely regurgitating what he hears in far right media? 

 
 
 
MUVA
4.3.1  MUVA  replied to  JohnRussell @4.3    3 weeks ago

His fondness is only matched by yours Russia Russia Russia.

 
 
 
WallyW
4.3.2  WallyW  replied to  JohnRussell @4.3    3 weeks ago

Those so called conspiracy theories have turned out to be true

 
 
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