Trump Just Threw Pence Under The Bus And Now 'President Pelosi' Is Trending

  
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Trump Just Threw Pence Under The Bus And Now 'President Pelosi' Is Trending

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Trump Just Threw Pence Under The Bus And Now 'President Pelosi' Is Trending



710c91c0-4b9c-11e7-8912-374be9390b1b_H-1   Ed Mazza, HuffPost   Thu, Sep 26 4:14 AM EDT  

















Pelosi says allegations in whistleblower complaint show WH ‘cover-up’








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President  Donald Trump  dragged Vice President  Mike Pence ’s name into his growing  Ukraine  scandal on Wednesday. 

The White House released a  summary of a conversation  in which Trump pressured Ukrainian President  Volodymyr Zelensky  to investigate 2020 Democratic presidential front-runner  Joe Biden  and his son, Hunter Biden. But Trump said he was not the only one to speak to Zelensky.

“I think you should ask for Vice President Pence’s conversation because he had a couple of conversations also,” Trump said. 

Trump also said he and Pence would both be exonerated, and called the vice president’s conversations with Ukraine “perfect.” 

Critics of the administration are now envisioning a scenario in which both Trump and Pence end up impeached. While it would take an unlikely sequence of events for that to happen, the reaction caused # PresidentPelosi  to trend Wednesday night and Thursday morning, given that the speaker of the House would be next in the line of succession:


This article originally appeared on  HuffPost .


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Tessylo
1  seeder  Tessylo    3 weeks ago
Nothing to see here. Just Trump trying to get his own vice president, Mike Pence, impeached.
 
 
 
It Is ME
1.1  It Is ME  replied to  Tessylo @1    3 weeks ago
Nothing to see here

Exactly !

 
 
 
Ozzwald
1.2  Ozzwald  replied to  Tessylo @1    3 weeks ago
Nothing to see here. Just Trump trying to get his own vice president, Mike Pence, impeached.

With his degree of narcissism, if Trump is going down, he's going to take everyone he can with him.

 
 
 
MrFrost
1.2.1  MrFrost  replied to  Ozzwald @1.2    3 weeks ago
he's going to take everyone he can with him.

Yep, and it will be everyone else's fault, not trump. That idiot never accepts blame for anything. 

 
 
 
WallyW
1.3  WallyW  replied to  Tessylo @1    3 weeks ago
Nothing to see here.
As usual, some things never change  jrSmiley_25_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
XDm9mm
1.4  XDm9mm  replied to  Tessylo @1    3 weeks ago
Nothing to see here. Just Trump trying to get his own vice president, Mike Pence, impeached.

So glad you agree, NOTHING TO SEE HERE...   

I must surmise then that you actually read this part of the seeded article:

Trump also said he and Pence would both be exonerated, and called the vice president’s conversations with Ukraine “perfect.” 

Damn, Tessylo, there's hope for you after all!!!

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.4.1  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  XDm9mm @1.4    3 weeks ago

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lib50
1.4.2  lib50  replied to  XDm9mm @1.4    3 weeks ago
Trump also said he and Pence would both be exonerated, and called the vice president’s conversations with Ukraine “perfect.” 

And you think that somehow helps them? Lol. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.4.3  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  XDm9mm @1.4    3 weeks ago

I must surmise that you read the tweets in the seeded content where I found that:

"Nothing to see here. Just Trump trying to get his own vice president, Mike Pence, impeached."

 
 
 
It Is ME
1.4.4  It Is ME  replied to  lib50 @1.4.2    3 weeks ago
And you think that somehow helps them? Lol.

It has so far ! LOL !

Dems STILL have nothing but "Conjecture" and "Innuendo" to date.

Pelosi has already guaranteed ….. the "Enquiry" will continue ….. meaning …… THEY STILL HAVE NOTHING to put up for a Vote !

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.4.5  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  It Is ME @1.4.4    3 weeks ago

Nope, not conjecture or innuendo at all.  Truth and facts.  

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It Is ME
1.4.6  It Is ME  replied to  Tessylo @1.4.5    3 weeks ago
Nope, not conjecture or innuendo at all.  Truth and facts.  

Oh....from a Second, third, and maybe fourth "handjobed" LEAKER ?

Courts would throw that shit right out of the building.

Courts: "And what did you see/hear Mr. leaker ?"

Mr. Leaker: "Nothing Judge....but I was just told some things ! "

Courts: "Who told you ? "

Mr. Leaker: "I can't tell you !"

Courts: "Get the Fuck outa my courtroom !"

 
 
 
XDm9mm
1.4.7  XDm9mm  replied to  lib50 @1.4.2    3 weeks ago
And you think that somehow helps them? Lol.

You don't like hearing the truth?  Well, that's your problem, not mine.

 
 
 
loki12
1.4.8  loki12  replied to  lib50 @1.4.2    3 weeks ago

RUSSIA!

MUELLER!

COHEN!

UKRAINE!

At least Trumps whistleblower wasn’t a chubby intern.

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.4.9  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  It Is ME @1.4.6    3 weeks ago

Rigggghhhhhhhttttttt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 
 
 
It Is ME
1.4.10  It Is ME  replied to  Tessylo @1.4.9    3 weeks ago

LEFFFFFFFTTTTTT ?

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.4.11  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  It Is ME @1.4.6    3 weeks ago

No leakers involved.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.4.12  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  loki12 @1.4.8    3 weeks ago

Yawn, don't you all have anything but the same ole' same ole'?

 
 
 
It Is ME
1.4.13  It Is ME  replied to  Tessylo @1.4.11    3 weeks ago
No leakers involved.  

QUICK …………..

Who was it that told the "Whistleblower" what to say !

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.4.14  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  XDm9mm @1.4.7    3 weeks ago
'You don't like hearing the truth? '

Truth?  From this administration?

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Just Jim NC TttH
1.4.15  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Tessylo @1.4.14    3 weeks ago

320

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.4.16  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @1.4.15    3 weeks ago

God I'm so sick of the fucking lame ass memes from the 'right'.  Is that all you fucking have?

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
1.4.17  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  It Is ME @1.4.13    3 weeks ago
Who was it that told the "Whistleblower" what to say !

Annnnnnd **crickets**

 
 
 
It Is ME
1.4.18  It Is ME  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @1.4.17    3 weeks ago
Annnnnnd **crickets**

They were just "Others" in the "Whistleblowing" scheme ! jrSmiley_86_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
1.4.19  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  loki12 @1.4.8    3 weeks ago
At least Trumps whistleblower wasn’t a chubby intern.

No, that would be his chubby attorney general...

Trump forces everyone around him to blow his whistle. That cabinet meeting a year or so ago where they were all verbally licking his feet was disgusting and not something I thought I'd ever see other than in a movie about a deranged Roman Emperor.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
1.4.20  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Tessylo @1.4.16    3 weeks ago
Is that all you fucking have?

That's become abundantly clear. They have no real defense anymore, just stupid cartoons and ignorant memes with cut and paste faces of anyone they disagree with.

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.4.21  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @1.4.20    3 weeks ago

It's so fucking tiresome.  

Deflections, memes, but but Hillary, but but Bill, but but Obama.  

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
1.4.22  Trout Giggles  replied to  Tessylo @1.4.21    3 weeks ago

And it does no good to flag 'em

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
1.4.23  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Trout Giggles @1.4.22    3 weeks ago
And it does no good to flag 'em

Why would you? They do no harm and don't bust the CoC. And some people have a sense of humor and enjoy the creativity of the actual originators of the meme/cartoon. (And BTW, that one is a cartoon).

"Life is good. Enjoy. [Deleted]

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
1.4.24  Trout Giggles  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @1.4.23    3 weeks ago

They add no value to the discussion

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.4.25  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Trout Giggles @1.4.22    3 weeks ago

'And it does no good to flag 'em'

I know.

We know whose comments get removed and whose don't, the majority of the time

It seems there is a double set of rules around here.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.4.26  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Trout Giggles @1.4.24    3 weeks ago

'They add no value to the discussion'

Exactly but I guess when all you have is lame ass stupid fucking memes and deflections, go with what you got.  

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
1.4.27  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Trout Giggles @1.4.24    3 weeks ago

The subject of truth in this administration was brought up. I used it to prove that others see the same thing coming from the other side with some humor attached. Some folks take the blogosphere/comment boards WAAAAYYY too seriously. NOTHING posted here make two shits to anyone outside of here. Christ it's like living NV and the Maddow Blog all over again.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
1.4.28  Trout Giggles  replied to  Tessylo @1.4.26    3 weeks ago

We just have to learn to ignore the memes, cartoons, and the people who post them

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.4.29  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  It Is ME @1.4.18    3 weeks ago

'Who was it that told the "Whistleblower" what to say !'

Stupid ass questions and lame ass deflections don't require an answer.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
1.4.30  Trout Giggles  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @1.4.27    3 weeks ago

here's a comment that adds nothing to the discussion:

meh

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.4.31  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @1.4.27    3 weeks ago

[Deleted]

Certain posters also seem to enjoy deflecting and derailing and posting their dumb ass memes and lame ass cartoons to overrun a seed and really fuck it up.  

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
1.4.32  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Trout Giggles @1.4.30    3 weeks ago

here's a comment that adds nothing to the discussion:

meh

Quite the contrary. Speaks volumes actually......................if one reads the comment it is in response to.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
1.4.33  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Tessylo @1.4.31    3 weeks ago

As I stated above, "Some folks take the blogosphere/comment boards WAAAAYYY too seriously." 

Perhaps you could look into starting your own site and only inviting those of like minds and opinions. But after awhile that may get quite boring. You know. Echo chamberish. Just trying to relieve some of your angst. You're welcome.

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.4.34  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Trout Giggles @1.4.30    3 weeks ago

[Deleted]

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.4.35  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @1.4.32    3 weeks ago

You seem to be under the illusion that your stupid ass memes and cartoons and comments add anything to the discussion.  

 
 
 
KDMichigan
1.4.36  KDMichigan  replied to  Tessylo @1.4.21    3 weeks ago
It's so fucking tiresome.  

Deflections, memes, but but Hillary, but but Bill, but but Obama.  

If only someone could take a power washer and spray all the crud away, that would be awesome.

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.4.37  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  KDMichigan @1.4.36    3 weeks ago

Speaking of crud . . . 

 
 
 
It Is ME
1.4.38  It Is ME  replied to  Tessylo @1.4.34    3 weeks ago
Looks like my flagging abilities were again removed so I have no control over this seed, not that it seems like certain posters and/or moderators wanted me to have that in the first place. 

I think you should have that capability !

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
1.4.39  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  It Is ME @1.4.38    3 weeks ago

320

sorry...................had to............

 
 
 
It Is ME
1.4.40  It Is ME  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @1.4.39    3 weeks ago

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KDMichigan
1.4.41  KDMichigan  replied to  Tessylo @1.4.37    3 weeks ago
Speaking of crud . . . 

It gets everywhere doesn't it? 

256

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.4.42  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  KDMichigan @1.4.41    3 weeks ago

[Deleted]

 
 
 
Greg Jones
1.4.43  Greg Jones  replied to  Tessylo @1.4.21    3 weeks ago

But you take the bait, get pissed, and respond to it.

So it works as intended.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
1.4.44  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @1.4.23    3 weeks ago

Hey sandy-lotsanumbers. Sweeping as you think it is, it was a quotation from a gentleman in New York (even attributed it to his name) but what evuh

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
1.4.45  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Greg Jones @1.4.43    3 weeks ago
But you take the bait, get pissed, and respond to it. So it works as intended.

That is basic trolling 101. I'm just glad even you can see it for what it is and why rational intelligent persons shouldn't ever give the time of day to ignorant bottom feeding trolls with no lives.

 
 
 
NV-Robin6
1.4.46  NV-Robin6  replied to  It Is ME @1.4.13    3 weeks ago

Hopefully Volker.  Funny, he just resigned. 

 
 
 
MrFrost
1.4.47  MrFrost  replied to  NV-Robin6 @1.4.46    3 weeks ago

Hopefully Volker.  Funny, he just resigned. 

Yea, I am sure it's just a coincidence.. LOL 

 
 
 
Karri
1.4.48  Karri  replied to  It Is ME @1.4.4    3 weeks ago

Have you read the memo of the conversion and the whistleblower's complaint?  They are both pretty damning for Trump.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
1.4.49  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Karri @1.4.48    3 weeks ago

why would he

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
2  Trout Giggles    3 weeks ago

Hmmmmm.....memories of 1974

 
 
 
MrFrost
2.1  MrFrost  replied to  Trout Giggles @2    3 weeks ago

Hmmmmm.....memories of 1974

I was in the first grade. 

 
 
 
Karri
2.1.1  Karri  replied to  MrFrost @2.1    3 weeks ago

I was in college, but I followed it as much as I could.  IMHO, this behavior is much worse since it involves at least one foreign country doing oppo research for him -- in exchange for help with (already approved) military aid.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
2.1.2  Trout Giggles  replied to  MrFrost @2.1    3 weeks ago

I was 12

 
 
 
Snuffy
3  Snuffy    3 weeks ago

This is just another example why I no longer trust our main stream media. This headline has nothing in the article to provide any meat to the story without a healthy dose of wishful thinking. Hardly throwing him under the bus...  The headline has one purpose, to generate online clicks which translate into money because that's what our MSM has become.

I really miss the days when the news was presented as news and not driven to generate money from advertisers.

 
 
 
Tessylo
3.1  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Snuffy @3    3 weeks ago

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lady in black
4  lady in black    3 weeks ago

The POS shitstain liar in chief can never take responsibility for his treasonous actions.  It's always someone else's fault.

 
 
 
Tacos!
4.1  Tacos!  replied to  lady in black @4    3 weeks ago
his treasonous actions

Treason. Ok.

See, hyperbole like this is why no one is interested in being alarmed by the latest manufactured scandal. 

 
 
 
loki12
4.1.1  loki12  replied to  Tacos! @4.1    3 weeks ago

Treasonous? Is that like telling Vladimir that you will have more flexibility after the election? So he can have Crimea and invade Ukraine and I won’t do anything but a firm knock it off. That kind of treasonous?

 
 
 
It Is ME
4.1.2  It Is ME  replied to  loki12 @4.1.1    3 weeks ago
Is that like telling Vladimir that you will have more flexibility after the election?

Well …..that was "Different" /s ! jrSmiley_80_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
4.1.3  igknorantzrulz  replied to  loki12 @4.1.1    3 weeks ago

Do you really want to cumpear Putins DICK DOCK 

with Obama,

cause thats  an unwinnable argument, [Deleted]

 
 
 
Tessylo
4.1.4  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Tacos! @4.1    3 weeks ago

What manufactured scandal?

 
 
 
lady in black
4.1.5  lady in black  replied to  Tacos! @4.1    3 weeks ago

Nope, not a manufactured scandal....he did it, he was caught.  No denying it.  

 
 
 
lady in black
4.1.6  lady in black  replied to  loki12 @4.1.1    3 weeks ago

Whataboutism at it's finest.

 
 
 
Tessylo
4.1.7  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  lady in black @4.1.6    3 weeks ago

That's all they got.  

 
 
 
lady in black
4.1.8  lady in black  replied to  It Is ME @4.1.2    3 weeks ago

More whataboutism...next up...Hillary, Hillary, Hillary. 

We're talking about what shitstain trumptard did, which is illegal and treasonous.   Deal with it.

 
 
 
loki12
4.1.9  loki12  replied to  igknorantzrulz @4.1.3    3 weeks ago

[Deleted] Exactly what did Obama do?

under Obama, Russia bombed Americans and the resistance fighters they were training.

under trump the military bombed and killed 100 Russians.

o dickhead the daft refused to sell offensive weapons to Ukraine to protect themselves.

trump sold them javelin middles as well as offensive weapons, why do you think Russians stopped their advances?

[Deleted]

 
 
 
lady in black
4.1.10  lady in black  replied to  loki12 @4.1.9    3 weeks ago

More and more whataboutism...Obama, Obama, Obama, Hillary, Hillary, Hillary...time to change the channel...they are OLD news.  Keep up with the current events the POS liar in chief residing in the whitehouse TODAY does on a daily basis.  

Of course deporables turn a mother fucking blind eye to ALL the bullshit this shitstain on America has done in 3 yrs.

 
 
 
lady in black
4.1.11  lady in black  replied to  Tessylo @4.1.7    3 weeks ago

I know and of course the fake story about Joe Biden that has been debunked.  But, but, but, Obama, Biden and Hillary.

 
 
 
Tacos!
4.1.12  Tacos!  replied to  Tessylo @4.1.4    3 weeks ago

It's manufactured in that the president did something he had every right to do and his opponents don't just disagree with it, they want to make it scandal. It's stupid.

 
 
 
Tacos!
4.1.13  Tacos!  replied to  lady in black @4.1.5    3 weeks ago
he did it, he was caught.  No denying it.

He could be caught doing a lot of things. That doesn't mean they're all impeachable offenses.

And by the way, he's not denying that he did it. He's just denying that it matters.

 
 
 
loki12
4.1.14  loki12  replied to  lady in black @4.1.8    3 weeks ago

Do you know what treason is? Exactly how is this treason?

treason is sharing classified information, like the substance of Presidents phone calls with someone who isn’t authorized to have that information. 

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
4.1.15  igknorantzrulz  replied to  loki12 @4.1.9    3 weeks ago

[Deleted]

 
 
 
loki12
4.1.16  loki12  replied to  igknorantzrulz @4.1.15    3 weeks ago

I expected nothing more from you.

 
 
 
Tessylo
4.1.17  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Tacos! @4.1.12    3 weeks ago

Nope, he had no fucking 'right' to do it whatsoever.

It's not stupid.  It's treason like in 2016.  

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
4.1.18  igknorantzrulz  replied to  loki12 @4.1.14    3 weeks ago

BULLSHIT

Not when he is exposing ILLEGAL ACTIVITY BY THIS DICKHEAD IN OUR WHITE HOUSE

.

He is a True AMERICAN !

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
4.1.19  igknorantzrulz  replied to  loki12 @4.1.16    3 weeks ago

glad i could live down to your expectations

 
 
 
Tacos!
4.1.20  Tacos!  replied to  Tessylo @4.1.17    3 weeks ago
Nope, he had no fucking 'right' to do it whatsoever.

He didn't? You're telling me that the current President of the United States has no right to inquire into the actions of a former Vice President who was acting in his capacity as Vice President? Seriously?

 
 
 
Tessylo
4.1.21  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Tacos! @4.1.13    3 weeks ago

Just about everything the shitstain in chief has done have been impeachable offenses.  

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
4.1.22  igknorantzrulz  replied to  igknorantzrulz @4.1.19    3 weeks ago

Snowflakes melting fast around here.

Seems people ae\re gettin awfully worried and defensive

 
 
 
Tessylo
4.1.23  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Tacos! @4.1.13    3 weeks ago
'And by the way, he's not denying that he did it. He's just denying that it matters.'

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Tacos!
4.1.24  Tacos!  replied to  Tessylo @4.1.21    3 weeks ago
Just about everything the shitstain in chief has done have been impeachable offenses.

That's what Im talking about. When you think everything is a crime, you have no credibility to argue that any particular thing is a crime. You can't discriminate between things you simply don't like and things that are actually against the rules.

 
 
 
Tacos!
4.1.25  Tacos!  replied to  Tessylo @4.1.23    3 weeks ago

You laugh because you don't understand.

 
 
 
Tessylo
4.1.26  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Tacos! @4.1.24    3 weeks ago

Everything the shitstain has done has been pretty much against the fucking rules.  

 
 
 
loki12
4.1.27  loki12  replied to  lady in black @4.1.10    3 weeks ago

I understand you don’t like him, neither do I, personally,

The difference is I can separate that from the job, President Obama, for all appearance was a great father and husband.

As a President? Not so much, he ran untraceable guns to Mexico, he killed Americans without due process, he made health insurance worse and more expensive for most the country.

he bombed more countries than Bush, he didn’t learn from Iraq, so he ended up fucking up Libya. I can’t think of one country he touched that was better after.

You don’t have to be likable to be good at a job.

 
 
 
Tessylo
4.1.28  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Tacos! @4.1.25    3 weeks ago

I laugh because you're ludicrous in defending everything the fucking shitstain thug thief conman grifter has done.  

 
 
 
It Is ME
4.1.29  It Is ME  replied to  lady in black @4.1.8    3 weeks ago
More whataboutism...next up...Hillary, Hillary, Hillary. 

Oh....so We aren't allowed to look behind the old moldy curtain now ?

"We're talking about what shitstain trumptard did, which is illegal and treasonous. "

I hear that courts want actual "Proof" of a crime, not "Conjecture" and Innuendo", in order to "Convict" !

Has that "Changed" ?

Anyone looked into the ones that told this "WhistlingLeaker" what to say yet ? jrSmiley_87_smiley_image.gif

Oh for gosh sakes ….. what was I thinking. It hasn't been reported on the TV talk shows yet. jrSmiley_78_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Tacos!
4.1.30  Tacos!  replied to  Tessylo @4.1.28    3 weeks ago
I laugh because you're ludicrous

Then laugh at yourself because you would impeach Trump for brushing his teeth.

 
 
 
Tessylo
4.1.31  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Tacos! @4.1.20    3 weeks ago

Pure nonsense.  Typical from you.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
4.1.32  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Tacos! @4.1.30    3 weeks ago

Again, sheer nonsense.  Typical.  

Stupid also.  

Why would I laugh at myself Mr. Twist?

 
 
 
r.t..b...
4.1.33  r.t..b...  replied to  loki12 @4.1.14    3 weeks ago
treason is sharing classified information, like the substance of Presidents phone calls with someone who isn’t authorized to have that information. 

So is one exempt from scrutiny for enticing foreign governments to do one's bidding in undermining one's main political rival and in so doing, subverting the integrity of our election process? Dangerous precedents here that no one should feel comfortable with.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
4.1.34  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  lady in black @4.1.10    3 weeks ago
Of course deporables turn a mother fucking blind eye to ALL the bullshit this shitstain on America has done in 3 yrs.

Do you have any examples? I mean hard hitting, long lasting things he has done to America. 

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
4.1.35  igknorantzrulz  replied to  loki12 @4.1.27    3 weeks ago
he bombed more countries than Bush, he didn’t learn from Iraq, so he ended up fucking up Libya. I can’t think of one country he touched that was better after.

So your saying he left Russia NOT BETTER !

While Putins' cock dock has yet to even SAY a negative word about him, and had to be drug along to implement sanctions better than a year later !

Trump sided with Putin , while by his side in HELLsinki ,

while disregarding the findings oF OUR intelligence,

that obviously wasn't shared with all.

 
 
 
lady in black
4.1.36  lady in black  replied to  loki12 @4.1.27    3 weeks ago

More whataboutisms....is that all you've got.  Trumptard got caught, that's all there's to it...

 
 
 
lady in black
4.1.37  lady in black  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @4.1.34    3 weeks ago

You have google, why don't YOU look up all the lies this fucktard has said in 3 yrs.  And now this.  

Also, look up the stuff he's doing to fuck up the environment.  You're an adult, you do your homework.

 
 
 
loki12
4.1.38  loki12  replied to  r.t..b... @4.1.33    3 weeks ago

Agree, one small caveat, Hunter Biden isn’t his opponent Joe is, do you think running for office should be a get out of jail free card?

If you share information with a superior or IG, that’s fine, talking to someone, anyone else isn’t.

 
 
 
It Is ME
4.1.39  It Is ME  replied to  igknorantzrulz @4.1.35    3 weeks ago

Did you know that Putin and Russia love seeing the West in turmoil ?

Guess which party is REALLY making Putin and Russia Happy. jrSmiley_10_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
loki12
4.1.40  loki12  replied to  lady in black @4.1.36    3 weeks ago

and yet you have spectacularly failed to articulate what he got caught doing, and how it is a crime?

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
4.1.41  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @4.1.34    3 weeks ago

f u can't see n e   yet,

y

should n e waste time explaining...

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
4.1.42  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  loki12 @4.1.1    3 weeks ago
Treasonous? Is that like telling Vladimir that you will have more flexibility after the election?

Nope. It's telling Vladimir that you believe him over the United States own intelligence community. It's continually giving Vladimir cover by lying for him, telling the American people that it wasn't Russia who spent $1.25 million a month to get Trump elected, telling the American people it wasn't Russia who illegally hacked US citizen emails and released them in an effort to help Trump and hurt his opponent. It's telling the Russian Agent Maria Butina “I believe I would get along very nicely with Putin. I don’t think you would need the sanctions,” during the campaign, clearly signaling to Russia that Trump had Putin's back. It's literally asking Russia for help during the election "Russia, if you're listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing,”.

"Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court." - United States Constitution. Article III, section 3

So he can have Crimea and invade Ukraine and I won’t do anything but a firm knock it off.

You mean following the law and going to congress for approval to respond to Russia's illegal actions? So really it was the Republicans who were in charge and refused to authorize any real response that are the traitors, thanks for pointing that out.

 
 
 
It Is ME
4.1.43  It Is ME  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @4.1.42    3 weeks ago
You mean following the law and going to congress for approval to respond to Russia's illegal actions? So really it was the Republicans who were in charge and refused to authorize any real response that are the traitors, thanks for pointing that out.

Didn't stop Obama in Libya …… Did it ?

 
 
 
Tessylo
4.1.44  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  igknorantzrulz @4.1.35    3 weeks ago

Putin's cockholster!  I forgot about that peach!

 
 
 
lady in black
4.1.45  lady in black  replied to  loki12 @4.1.40    3 weeks ago

Read the reports, maybe you'll get a clue, but then again, maybe not.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
4.1.46  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  loki12 @4.1.38    3 weeks ago

Neither Joe Biden nor his son Hunter have done anything wrong.  

Do you understand the word exonerated?  

 
 
 
loki12
4.1.47  loki12  replied to  igknorantzrulz @4.1.35    3 weeks ago

Words? If he says something mean?

obama allowed Russia to bomb Americans and did nothing, but trump doesn’t talk mean?

whatever,

 
 
 
Tessylo
4.1.48  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  It Is ME @4.1.39    3 weeks ago

'Guess which party is REALLY making Putin and Russia Happy.'

THE 'RIGHT'

tRump is Putin's cockholster.  

He has a Putin tramp stamp above his big fat stinky ass.

 
 
 
lady in black
4.1.49  lady in black  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @4.1.42    3 weeks ago

Once again, that's okay because trumptard said it and anything he says deporables believe is okay and not a problem.  

 
 
 
It Is ME
4.1.50  It Is ME  replied to  Tessylo @4.1.48    3 weeks ago
'Guess which party is REALLY making Putin and Russia Happy.'

THE 'RIGHT'

tRump is Putin's cockholster.  

He has a Putin tramp stamp above his big fat stinky ass.

You missed the "Wall" again. jrSmiley_88_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
loki12
4.1.51  loki12  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @4.1.42    3 weeks ago

You mean the 30,000 emails that Hillary deleted while under subpoena?

Now I know this is hard, but try to follow, when trump made that joke, and yes it had to be a joke because Hillary’s server was in FBI custody, and had been for a year, so exactly how would they get them?

 
 
 
It Is ME
4.1.52  It Is ME  replied to  Tessylo @4.1.46    3 weeks ago
Neither Joe Biden nor his son Hunter have done anything wrong.   Do you understand the word exonerated? 

Exonerated ?

Such a Strong word.

"Half Truth" !

That said, experts criticize the Bidens for their arrangement, saying it could have been a significant conflict of interest.

"Expanded "Interest" is warranted !

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
4.1.53  igknorantzrulz  replied to  It Is ME @4.1.39    3 weeks ago

Guess which party is REALLY making Putin and Russia Happy.

how about the one thats still defending and supporting his PUPPET !

how

can you knumb skullz knot C this    WTF...

 
 
 
It Is ME
4.1.54  It Is ME  replied to  igknorantzrulz @4.1.53    3 weeks ago
how about the one thats still defending and supporting his PUPPET !

Link ?

 
 
 
lady in black
4.1.55  lady in black  replied to  igknorantzrulz @4.1.53    3 weeks ago

Putin must be worried:

https://news.yahoo.com/kremlin-says-hopes-us-wouldnt-124434163.html?.tsrc=jtc_news_index

Kremlin says it hopes US wouldn't release calls between Trump and Putin calls

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
4.1.56  igknorantzrulz  replied to  It Is ME @4.1.54    3 weeks ago

so, the ones that want his puppet removed, are the one PUTIN SUPPORTS

WTF

i shoved that link right down Trumps throat, Putin showed me how !

 
 
 
It Is ME
4.1.57  It Is ME  replied to  igknorantzrulz @4.1.56    3 weeks ago
i shoved that link right down Trumps throat, Putin showed me how !

Since it's available jrSmiley_80_smiley_image.gif , the "American People" would love to see it ! jrSmiley_15_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Tessylo
4.1.58  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  It Is ME @4.1.52    3 weeks ago

As usual, you use lots of word to say dick.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
4.1.59  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  It Is ME @4.1.54    3 weeks ago

'Link ?'

I prefer patties

 
 
 
It Is ME
4.1.60  It Is ME  replied to  Tessylo @4.1.58    3 weeks ago
As usual, you use lots of word to say dick.  

I was actually speaking of Nancy, but you are allowed to relive your fantasy life all you want !

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
4.1.61  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  loki12 @4.1.51    3 weeks ago
You mean the 30,000 emails that Hillary deleted while under subpoena?

So you still have nothing and have to return to "But, but, but Hillary's emails!" and follow it up with a "But Trump was just joking...".

Tell that to Russia, they apparently didn't get the joke, but they got the message.

On the day Trump said "Russia, if you're listening..." Russia did in fact kick their hacking efforts into high gear.  

"according to the indictment, which was announced Friday, Russian actors sent phishing emails to accounts at a domain used by Clinton’s personal office. They also targeted 76 email addresses on the domain used by the Clinton campaign, though the exact timing of both of those efforts is unclear."

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/trump-asked-russia-to-find-clintons-emails-on-or-around-the-same-day-russians-targeted-her-accounts

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
4.1.62  igknorantzrulz  replied to  It Is ME @4.1.57    3 weeks ago

[Deleted]

 
 
 
It Is ME
4.1.63  It Is ME  replied to  Tessylo @4.1.59    3 weeks ago

jrSmiley_82_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
It Is ME
4.1.64  It Is ME  replied to  igknorantzrulz @4.1.62    3 weeks ago

[Deleted]

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
4.1.65  Trout Giggles  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @4.1.61    3 weeks ago

They forgot all about the Russian hacking

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
4.1.66  igknorantzrulz  replied to  It Is ME @4.1.64    3 weeks ago

you are the one pursuing porn

it  is not IT Is ME, it is it is you,

Right ?

 
 
 
It Is ME
4.1.67  It Is ME  replied to  igknorantzrulz @4.1.66    3 weeks ago
you are the one pursuing porn

Where ?

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
4.1.68  igknorantzrulz  replied to  igknorantzrulz @4.1.66    3 weeks ago

on another note, i have to go, but there are a few around here that I feel have earned some special attention, that may include the concentration of creativity, and that is not in any way to be contrived as not a promise,

and should be regarded as a privilege,

 
 
 
loki12
4.1.69  loki12  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @4.1.61    3 weeks ago
So you still have nothing and have to return to "But, but, but Hillary's emails!"

I completely debunk your claim and that is what you respond with?  You are the one that brought up hillary's emails,  I just ore your little bullshit claim to shreads

That is an opinion, they had already hacked the DNC, at least that is what the DNC claimed, since they refused to allow the FBI to see their servers, and they had them shipped to........Wait for it..........Wait for it.........Ukraine. Weird huh?

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
4.1.70  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  lady in black @4.1.37    3 weeks ago
You have google, why don't YOU look up all the lies this fucktard has said in 3 yrs.

Lies have no bearing on the question. And, what is he doing to fuck up the environment? YOU made the statement and I asked YOU for some examples. And remember the criteria if you would be so kind. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
4.1.71  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @4.1.70    3 weeks ago

Lady in black doesn't lie.

tRump and his supporters?  Every other word out of their fucking mouths.  

 
 
 
loki12
4.1.72  loki12  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @4.1.42    3 weeks ago
$1.25 million a month

Against Hillary's Billion dollar plus campaign?  She obviously was an incompetent bitch if 10 million destroyed her, glad she isn't President!

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
4.1.73  Trout Giggles  replied to  igknorantzrulz @4.1.68    3 weeks ago

I hope I'm one of those that gets a dose of your special creativity!

 
 
 
 
r.t..b...
4.1.75  r.t..b...  replied to  loki12 @4.1.38    3 weeks ago
If you share information with a superior or IG, that’s fine, talking to someone, anyone else isn’t.

Agreed. To add another caveat, the whistle-blower may not be the source of the leak,  another aspect of this case that warrants investigation. While important, it may fall under let's-shoot-the-messenger school of deflection. Official inquiries into all facets of this will rightfully take place, but the President's actions and the possible ramifications necessitate immediate calls for accountability.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
4.1.76  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Tessylo @4.1.71    3 weeks ago

Didn't say SHE lies. FFS read. I posted she brought up Trump's lies which have NO destructive powers on America............unless one WANTS to think they do. I see what he does. They words are meaningless without action. The actions on the other hand, don't need words. They are evident. And I like it. Why don't you................oh wait. I think I just answered my own question.

 
 
 
loki12
4.1.77  loki12  replied to  r.t..b... @4.1.75    3 weeks ago

Agreed, the whistleblower needs to be bullet proof, if they operated in good faith. They don't even have to be right, just operate in good faith. 

As for the leak, I agree, the whistle blower needs to escalate with-in the chain of command, and the "Agency" which is being reported the whistleblower worked for also has an Ombudsman. which once he ran out of internal path he could reach out to. 

Once you go to the press or your lawyers do for you, the protections need to end. and you need to be willing to support the consequences of your actions.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
4.1.78  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  lady in black @4.1.74    3 weeks ago

Thanks. 

 
 
 
loki12
4.1.79  loki12  replied to  lady in black @4.1.74    3 weeks ago

So..................Do you have documentation that these roll backs have negatively affected the environment?  The Obama administration tried to regulate cow ponds as water ways. that was rolled back, they didn't effect water quality before Obama regulated them and they don't now, as they don't produce runoff. just a place for my cows to drink.

Trump rolled back the inability for people on SSI who need help with finances to purchase fire arms, and so far zero people have been shot by those individuals, Was it smart? probably not, if you can't mange your check book you probably shouldn't have a gun, but the bottom line it his roll back has had zero impact.

I don't care about some idiots opinion, what is the hard data that this roll back has impacted the inviroment?

 
 
 
loki12
4.1.80  loki12  replied to  Tessylo @4.1.44    3 weeks ago

How could you forget about Obama? It was just a few years ago. 

I wonder if he sent Obama a thank you note for Crimea?

 
 
 
lady in black
4.1.81  lady in black  replied to  loki12 @4.1.79    3 weeks ago

Rinse and repeat....Obama, Obama, Obama, Hillary, Hillary, Hillary... whataboutisms is all you have to offer.

 
 
 
loki12
4.1.82  loki12  replied to  lady in black @4.1.81    3 weeks ago

So that's what you got out of it? 

I guess we are done. Sad : (

Just say you have no idea what you are complaining about other than a trump hate, if you can't articulate what you hate, why you hate, or what effect your hate has on others, there is no point in even commenting. 

Just say I feel....... Without reason or logic, it will save everyone time.

 
 
 
lady in black
4.1.83  lady in black  replied to  loki12 @4.1.82    3 weeks ago

When the name Obama and/or Hillary is in your post, I don't waste my time reading old news....this is about Trumptard and all the bullshit he has put this country through in the last 3 yrs.....Next you'll throw out the old chestnut Benghazi.....Sad that you can't see the damage trump is doing to this country.

 
 
 
loki12
4.1.84  loki12  replied to  lady in black @4.1.83    3 weeks ago
this is about Trumptard and all the bullshit he has put this country through in the last 3 yrs

And yet you have constantly failed to articulate exactly what that is. I Hate trump sums up all your posts, You have no substance.

Russia? Non existant, even the democrats have moved on to the next shiny object.

Cohen......nothing.

Manafort. Nothing, not one charge related to Russia.......weirdly all out of Ukraine.

And this whistleblower....Ukraine disputes the time line and the facts don't line up with the complaint. 

                  Sad that you can't see the damage trump is doing to this country.

And you still can't articulate anything other than fat granny lost. and trump won. 

Record low unemployment, 

fewer troups deployed

He hasn't started any new wars, unlike his predecessor.

Do you have any actual facts? any?   Trump said doesn't count.  trump lies doesn't count, actual actions. like ex-judicial killing of Americans? Gun running? guaranteeing health insurance companies huge profits,  Starting wars with countries that are zero threat to the US like Iraq or Libya?

Anything that you can articulate that doesn't involve emotions?

You do realize that in order to accurately access a persons performance you have to compare it to something...right? and the most accurate measure of a President is past Presidents?

 
 
 
lady in black
4.1.85  lady in black  replied to  loki12 @4.1.84    3 weeks ago

He lies every time he opens his mouth, he is a braggart and a bully, he has NEVER acted presidential in any way shape or form.  His policies are only for the 1% and are out to wreck the environment because of those big and bad awful regulations on businesses, but fuck the average American.  He knows more than anybody else in the entire world.

Did you know Mexico is going to pay for the wall, he has a wonderful health care plan, he is going to give a middle class tax cut, he knows more than generals, tariffs are going to pay for themselves, he believes Putin over our own intelligence agencies.  He had the biggest inaugural crowd (according to him, but in reality no he did not).  He doesn't know decorum if it bite him in the nose, when he met the Queen of England the buffoon turned his back on her.  He won't listen to anyone.  He loves Mr. XYZ until Mr. XYZ does not agree with him and then Mr. XYZ gets called every name in the book.

He is a vindictive liar, cheater, swindler, king of bankruptcies, pussy grabber and thinks anything and everything he does not matter how disgraceful is no big deal

And now the lastest treasonous act of trying to fuck over an American citizen by being dishonest with a foreign country.

He stiffed how many American workers with all his bankruptcies. 

I can go on and on and on and on and on.

I am mystified as to how anyone thinks he is anywhere near a good president...

 
 
 
Greg Jones
4.1.86  Greg Jones  replied to  Tessylo @4.1.28    3 weeks ago

What's he done?

You can't even make a list of the things he's done wrong.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
4.1.87  Greg Jones  replied to  lady in black @4.1.55    3 weeks ago

Well, we know that Trump or his administration won't release any sensitive information, but that leaves all the Democrat pond scum in Congress, and Obama hold overs and left wing operatives still working in several governmental agencies...plus all the enablers and cronies in the media. .

 
 
 
lady in black
4.1.88  lady in black  replied to  Greg Jones @4.1.87    3 weeks ago

They already did...the call....oh boo frickin hoo

Here we go another whataboutism post....oh joy of joy another trump minion heard from

 
 
 
loki12
4.1.89  loki12  replied to  lady in black @4.1.85    3 weeks ago

He lies every time he opens his mouth,

Not every time, that is hyperbole

he is a braggart and a bully,

This one is accurate, he is definitely lacking in humility, may even be deplorable,

he has NEVER acted presidential in any way shape or form. 

Jefferson threatened to use Arron burr to shoot his opponents, Obama appeared on comedy shows, what is Presidential is open to interpretation.

His policies are only for the 1% and are out to wreck the environment because of those big and bad awful regulations on businesses,

Opinion, I covered that to a degree in another post, de-regulating cow pounds that the Obama admin imposed isn't helping the 1%

but fuck the average American.

Opinion again,

  He knows more than anybody else in the entire world.

I don't think so, 

Did you know Mexico is going to pay for the wall,

Nobody I know with 3 digits in their IQ believed that.

he has a wonderful health care plan,

The health plan policies are starting to roll out, not sure if they are wonderful time will tell, but they do allow men to not pay for pre-natal care.

he is going to give a middle class tax cut,

He did, we were just talking about that, Gas Silverado gas tank.

he knows more than generals,

The same Generals that brought us iraq and Afghanistan? Though he knows nothing about fighting a war, but neither did the previous three, we need to make war awful again. IMO

tariffs are going to pay for themselves,

Do you have documentation that they aren't? the consumer price index for good has been steady with low to know inflation, if the tariffs were causing them to rise it would be reflected.

he believes Putin over our own intelligence agencies. 

The intelligence agencies run by Brennan and Clapper, the same ones that said Iraq had WMD's? you do know the times lied when they said all 17 intelligence agencies said russia interfered with our election, right?

He had the biggest inaugural crowd (according to him, but in reality no he did not). 

That goes back to him being a braggart, nothing to do with being President.

He doesn't know decorum if it bite him in the nose, when he met the Queen of England the buffoon turned his back on her.  He won't listen to anyone.  He loves Mr. XYZ until Mr. XYZ does not agree with him and then Mr. XYZ gets called every name in the book.

We have established that he is pretty much a dick. I don't want to be his friend, I want him to stop bombing goat herders and bring my boys home.

He is a vindictive liar, cheater, swindler, king of bankruptcies, pussy grabber and thinks anything and everything he does not matter how disgraceful is no big deal

Just more I hate trump opinion.

And now the lastest treasonous act of trying to fuck over an American citizen by being dishonest with a foreign country.

He stiffed how many American workers with all his bankruptcies. 

Fewer than the bond holders that got stiffed in GM's bankruptcy.  that is part of business unfortunately.

I can go on and on and on and on and on.

You have, 

I am mystified as to how anyone thinks he is anywhere near a good president...

I feel the same way about people who support a President who executed Americans with no trial, no jury, just ordered them killed like it was a video game.

I feel the same way about a President who destoryed a country for no reason, Libya wasn't a threat.

I feel the same way about a president who ran guns to Mexico that got DEA agents shot.

When trump starts directly killing Americans like his predecessor........

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
4.1.90  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  loki12 @4.1.80    3 weeks ago
I wonder if he sent Obama a thank you note for Crimea?

Putin sent the "Thank You" to Republicans who blocked any action after Obama followed the law and went to them for authorization. Putin's thank you was in the form of illegal aide during the 2016 campaign and it was heard and welcomed them with open arms. Putin hated Obama and blamed him for what he saw as election meddling from the US in the March 4, 2012 Russian sham election where the US verbally supported free and fair elections which were exactly the opposite of what Putin wanted for Russia.

 
 
 
loki12
4.1.91  loki12  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @4.1.90    3 weeks ago

Of course, it's always those evil republicans, I heard Mitch McConnell is so powerful he prevented Barry from doing anything. and yet trump is so powerful he can do what ever he wants. weird huh?

So all we have established is Barry was a Puss and trump is all powerful, weird how that works.

Funny how Congress couldn't stop him from destroying a middle east country, but he couldn't do anything about his flexibility yoga partner Vlad without them. 

 
 
 
lib50
4.1.92  lib50  replied to  loki12 @4.1.91    3 weeks ago

Easier to be 'all powerful' when you don't care about protocol and the law.  Not to mention getting his orders from a higher authority who also doesn't bother with following the law.  The puppetmaster is pleased with his poodle.  Or wombat.  Or orange cockwomble.  I'm sure he has a lot of nicknames.  And Moscow Mitch has been in full cooperation and compliance.  

 
 
 
loki12
4.1.93  loki12  replied to  lib50 @4.1.92    3 weeks ago

Blah, Blah Blah, I hate trump and putin is in charge.

Barry the dickhead refused to sell Crimea offensive weapons like the Javelin, because it could thwart putins plans. trump sold them those offensive weapons FACT

Obama allowed Putin to annex crimea without a blink, FACT

Obama advocated all control in Syria to Putin, he even allowed him to be in charge of the chemical weapons and Barry said they were all gobe because putin said so. FACT  and yet Syria still managed to use some with no response from Barry.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/what-happened-to-russias-agreement-to-eliminate-syrias-chemical-weapons/

Obama allowed Russia airforce jets to bomb US backed rebels and their American trainors, FACT

https://www.cnn.com/2016/06/17/politics/russia-airstrike-syrian-rebels/index.html

Maybe Obama took Putins word over the intelligence service, maybe that's why he did nothing, or he was just being flexible?

Trump bombed and killed over 100 russians in Syria.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-russia-usa-insig/after-deadly-syrian-battle-evidence-of-russian-losses-was-obscured-idUSKCN1PU11Y

It appears the facts show that Barry's lips are firmly wrapped around putins member. can you show any actions by trump that allowed putin to rum amok like Barry did? 

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
4.1.94  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  loki12 @4.1.91    3 weeks ago
I heard Mitch McConnell is so powerful he prevented Barry from doing anything. and yet trump is so powerful he can do what ever he wants. weird huh?

Considering Trump has had his party in control of the Senate for his entire first term, it's clear that makes a big difference in getting any political agenda accomplished. Trump wouldn't be getting any of his malignant agenda done if Democrats had controlled the Senate. You do understand how that works right? And Trump is certainly not "all powerful" but with the help of a spineless Republican legislature and an enemy foreign government willing to shill for him and deploy assets to help Trump win he does have more power than Obama did from 2011 to 2016 where Republicans basically sat on their hands or fiddled like Nero as they watched the last vestiges of a "United" States burn. And after ginning up fear and hatred of Democrats they blamed it all on Obama and convinced the poorly educated masses that everything was broken so they might as well elect a worthless cretin who pandered to white supremacists and bitter protectionists as President.

 
 
 
loki12
4.1.95  loki12  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @4.1.94    3 weeks ago

Didn’t Obama have his party in control of the Senate for his first full term, and half the second? Why yes he did! So why was Barry so feckless and worthless and trump so powerful?

Your argument just fell flat in its face.

try again!

 
 
 
MrFrost
4.1.96  MrFrost  replied to  loki12 @4.1.1    3 weeks ago
Treasonous? Is that like telling Vladimir that you will have more flexibility after the election?

Naw, it's more like telling Vladamir that yes, you would love help winning the election in 2016. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
4.1.97  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  lady in black @4.1.83    3 weeks ago

Same here, I  don't read most of the posts from Loki or any of the other tRump supporters .  Waste of time.  No facts, just deflections and trolling 

 
 
 
Tessylo
4.1.98  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  lib50 @4.1.92    3 weeks ago

Pussy ass bitch is another good one to describe the shitstain

 
 
 
Tessylo
4.1.99  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  loki12 @4.1.93    3 weeks ago

Nope tRump has been sucking Putin's dick for years now.  

 
 
 
loki12
4.1.100  loki12  replied to  MrFrost @4.1.96    3 weeks ago

Thought you said I was on ignore?

mueller said it never happened. But Barry can tell you what Vlads dick tastes like if you want, he was Putin’s cockholster from day one.

 
 
 
MrFrost
4.1.101  MrFrost  replied to  loki12 @4.1.100    3 weeks ago
Thought you said I was on ignore?

1) Read the site rules, it will explain it. SMH

2) Muller said that the trump admin didn't seek out help from the Russians, but did ACCEPT help from the Russians when it was offered. It's in the report, that you didn't read... Looks like you need to do some reading. Enjoy! 

 
 
 
loki12
4.1.102  loki12  replied to  MrFrost @4.1.101    3 weeks ago

Bullshit! 

 
 
 
MrFrost
4.1.103  MrFrost  replied to  loki12 @4.1.102    3 weeks ago
Bullshit! 

What? Reading and facts? Not interested huh? Oh well. LOL 

 
 
 
NV-Robin6
4.1.104  NV-Robin6  replied to  r.t..b... @4.1.33    3 weeks ago

No shit! Even Fox is scrambling how to survive not being Trump's propaganda TV machine. But gee, when you're a Palin fan...!? 🤪

I wish I could post links from my phone. 

I see Nancy Pelosi as she defends Lady Liberty mimicking Joan Crawford's "Don't  fuck with me fellas!!"

 
 
 
Karri
4.1.105  Karri  replied to  lady in black @4.1.5    3 weeks ago
he did it, he was caught. 

And he even admitted it!

 
 
 
Karri
4.1.106  Karri  replied to  Tacos! @4.1.13    3 weeks ago
He's just denying that it matters.

It does matter -- to patriotic Americans who don't want foreign countries involved in our elections and/or patriotic Americans who understand (and believe) the it is the CONGRESS that appropriates our dollars.

 
 
 
Karri
4.1.107  Karri  replied to  loki12 @4.1.14    3 weeks ago
sharing classified information

He shared it with the ICIG, which is allowed.  He followed protocol.  Then, the acting DNI did not do what he was required to do -- refer it to the "gang of eight" (who are also allowed to read that information.)

Besides, there was nothing in the memo or the complaint that was classified.

 
 
 
Karri
4.1.108  Karri  replied to  Tacos! @4.1.20    3 weeks ago
President of the United States has no right to inquire into the actions of a former Vice President who was acting in his capacity as Vice President?

Not when the Vice President is the most likely opponent in your reelection bid -- and you are asking for it from the head of another country.

Besides, that issue had already been investigated and the found no crime.  (BTW -- I am not a Biden supporter.)

 
 
 
Karri
4.1.109  Karri  replied to  loki12 @4.1.100    3 weeks ago
mueller said it never happened.

Did you read the Mueller Report?  I doubt it because I read the whole thing and that is NOT what he said.

 
 
 
Tacos!
4.1.110  Tacos!  replied to  Karri @4.1.106    3 weeks ago
to patriotic Americans who don't want foreign countries involved in our elections

I don't want that either. How does any of this involve Ukraine in our election? Or conversely, what interaction with any foreign government would not involve them in our election? If a country cooperates with the president in any way, it could make the president look good, helping his reelection.

patriotic Americans who understand (and believe) the it is the CONGRESS that appropriates our dollars

Presidents routinely freeze some or all of an appropriation. They have some authority to do that. There is nothing in the transcript of the conversation with the Ukrainian president that connects that aid to the request.

 
 
 
Tacos!
4.1.111  Tacos!  replied to  Karri @4.1.108    3 weeks ago
Not when the Vice President is the most likely opponent in your reelection bid

I'm sorry, but that cannot be a policy you support. You're really telling me that the president of these United States must cease any inquiry into the official actions of elected officials just because they are running for election to his job? That's insane.

Besides, that issue had already been investigated . 

Are you talking about Biden Jr or Biden Sr? Even if Biden Jr is clean, there may be something unethical in what Biden Sr did. Or maybe not. The current president should be allowed to look into it.

and the found no crime

Bob Mueller investigated the possibility of collusion between the Russian government and the Trump campaign. He found there was none. Democrats couldn't care less. They go right on insisting there was collusion and investigating something that is supposed have been found not to have happened. So why should Trump just quit investigating?

 
 
 
loki12
4.1.112  loki12  replied to  Karri @4.1.107    3 weeks ago

The people who shared the info on a Presidents phone call with the whistle blower, not the whistle blower themselves, read what I wrote again.

 
 
 
loki12
4.1.113  loki12  replied to  Karri @4.1.109    3 weeks ago

Mueller said no collusion, no cooperation. Period!

 
 
 
pat wilson
4.1.114  pat wilson  replied to  loki12 @4.1.113    3 weeks ago

Mueller made it abundantly clear that he could not rule out trump committing obstruction which is actually a crime, collusion is not.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
4.1.115  igknorantzrulz  replied to  pat wilson @4.1.114    3 weeks ago

You're better off talking to the wall, but, either way, you'll get off the wall responses.

 
 
 
loki12
4.1.116  loki12  replied to  pat wilson @4.1.114    3 weeks ago

Thanks that we agree no collusion.

obstruction? Mueller under oath said he was able to complete his investigation without interference, If he had no interference, nobody put up any obstructions? How could trump obstruct? 

 
 
 
loki12
4.1.117  loki12  replied to  pat wilson @4.1.114    3 weeks ago

You are a smart woman, when in history has a prosecutor ruled out a crime?

they either have enough evidence to prosecute, or they don’t. He obviously didn’t have enough evidence or he would have said so.

 
 
 
pat wilson
4.1.118  pat wilson  replied to  loki12 @4.1.117    3 weeks ago

But prosecutors provided little, if any, mitigating information pointing to Trump's innocence.

In fact, they emphasized, "If we had confidence after a thorough investigation of the facts that the President clearly did not commit obstruction of justice, we would so state. Based on the facts and the applicable legal standards, however, we are unable to reach that judgment."

https://www.businessinsider.com/why-mueller-didnt-charge-trump-with-obstruction-of-justice-2019-4

Mueller stated on numerous occasions that it was not his place to indict a sitting president. He gave the report to Congress to act upon but not before Barr got his fat little hands on it and re-interpreted it to make trump look innocent.

Mueller never exonerated trump no matter how you slice it or dice it. And you know this.

 
 
 
loki12
4.1.119  loki12  replied to  pat wilson @4.1.118    3 weeks ago

I will try again, a prosecutor doesn’t exonerate his suspect, he finds evidence to charge or not charge! Period!

Exactly when did the standard become exoneration?

if there was actual evidence it would have been in his report. Not double speak but actual point by point evidence.

Thus the evidence would be there for the impeachment followed by the charges by the justice department. The evidence wasn’t there.

Zero, people investigated by Mueller were actually charged with the crime he was retained to investigate. Why is this? And when did Mueller know there was no Russian collusion? 

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
4.1.120  igknorantzrulz  replied to  loki12 @4.1.119    3 weeks ago
Exactly when did the standard become exoneration?

How about when Trump claimed EXONERATION !

 
 
 
loki12
4.1.121  loki12  replied to  igknorantzrulz @4.1.120    3 weeks ago

Sigh.....have we not established he lies?

exoneration doesn’t even happen in court, it’s guilty or not guilty. 

It’s amazing how pressing this is, I guess that’s why they took a 2 week vacation.

 
 
 
bugsy
4.1.122  bugsy  replied to  Karri @4.1.108    3 weeks ago
Not when the Vice President is the most likely opponent in your reelection bid -

So, by that logic, if I was the independent front runner for, no matter what year, and I asked a foreign government to essentially do oppo research on YOUR candidate of choice, I am exempt from EVER facing charges because I could be the likely opponent of YOUR candidate of choice?

I guess that's why libs think it was OK for Hillary to hire a British spy to get dirt on Trump. Dirt that turned out to be completely false.

 
 
 
Karri
4.1.123  Karri  replied to  Tacos! @4.1.110    3 weeks ago
Presidents routinely freeze some or all of an appropriation.

I tried to find examples, but I could not find any.  Perhaps I used the wrong search words.  Would you please give me some examples?

 
 
 
Karri
4.1.124  Karri  replied to  Tacos! @4.1.111    3 weeks ago
You're really telling me that the president of these United States must cease any inquiry into the official actions of elected officials just because they are running for election to his job?

I was referring to using a foreign government/official.  If they are using American sources, I don't object to oppo research.

Are you talking about Biden Jr or Biden Sr? Even if Biden Jr is clean, there may be something unethical in what Biden Sr did. Or maybe not. 

Okay, this is a lot more complicated than most people know.  From PolitiFac t:

Key takeaways
• Hunter Biden did hold a directorship for a Ukrainian gas company while his father was vice president. Experts agree that Hunter Biden's acceptance of the position created a conflict of interest for his father. 
• Vice President Joe Biden did urge Ukraine to fire its top prosecutor, with the threat of withholding U.S. aid. But that was the position of the wider U.S. government, as well as other international institutions.  
• We found no evidence to support the idea that Joe Biden advocated with his son's interests in mind, as the message suggests. It's not even clear that the company was actively under investigation or that a change in prosecutors benefited it.

.Furthermore,

There’s a strong case that Hunter Biden’s position with the company had nothing to do with Biden’s position on Shokin’s ouster. That’s because Western leaders and institutions were largely united in seeking Shokin’s removal, arguing that he was not pursuing corruption cases aggressively. 

It goes on to quote many of these leaders.  

This is a complicated issue.  Personally, I would support legislation that states no family member of high federal officers (Pres, VP, Cabinet heads) can be on the board of directors or other high position of a foreign corporation.

Bob Mueller investigated the possibility of collusion between the Russian government and the Trump campaign. He found there was none.

Did you read the Mueller Report?  It clearly states that they did not look into "collusion" because it is not a legal term.  They did find a large number of interactions between representatives of the Russian state (i.e. government) and important players in the Trump campaign.  However, the Report states they could not directly connect Trump to those incidents.  (I agree that there was insufficient evidence to bring charges on conspiracy, etc., in this section.) The Report also listed around ten episodes of obstruction of justice by Trump.

 
 
 
Karri
4.1.125  Karri  replied to  loki12 @4.1.113    3 weeks ago
Mueller said no collusion, no cooperation. Period!

Please read the Mueller Report.  That is not what it said.  (See above.)

 
 
 
Karri
4.1.126  Karri  replied to  loki12 @4.1.117    3 weeks ago
He obviously didn’t have enough evidence or he would have said so.

He said he could not clear Trump.  He could not charge because of an OLC memo (which may or may not hold Constitutional muster).

 
 
 
Karri
4.1.127  Karri  replied to  bugsy @4.1.122    3 weeks ago
OK for Hillary to hire a British spy to get dirt on Trump.

Actually, they hired an American firm who, then, outsourced it to an English source.  Not cool, but not quite on the same level as asking for help from a foreign government.

BTW, much of the report did turn out to be true.  I don't know about the pee tape part, but, to be honest, I don't care.  Let Melania deal with that.

 
 
 
bugsy
4.1.128  bugsy  replied to  Karri @4.1.127    3 weeks ago
they hired an American firm

Actually, they used an American law firm to filter money to the British firm in order to hide where the payment came from.

Can you please list what on the report came to be true?

 
 
 
Tacos!
4.1.129  Tacos!  replied to  Karri @4.1.123    3 weeks ago

In 2013, Obama froze aid to Egypt , although he was under a lot of pressure to freeze more than he did. Two years later, he released the aid, both acts coming under his own authority.

In 2009, Obama suspended aid to Honduras and Madagascar, following coups there, and did the same in 2012 regarding assistance to Mali.

In 2017, Trump froze aid to the Palestinian Authority , and it failed to become a national scandal. Not much talk of him exceeding his authority or "extorting" anyone.

On August 3 of this year , the administration froze between $2 billion and $4 billion of aid to several countries and organizations in Europe, Eurasia, and Central Asia .

In January of 2018, Trump froze $255 million in aid to Pakistan, after previously freezin aid the summer before.

Going back further, in 2006, Bush froze aid to Thailand. 

Of course, Congress doesn't always sit quietly by while the president does this kind of thing and his authority to hold up aid varies depending on the situation. When it does happen, I don't think it lasts for very long. Obama holding up aid to Egypt for two years seems pretty unusual.

Sometimes the more efficient solution is for the president to cut aid in his proposed budget. Then he probably avoids a constitutional fight down the road. I don't know if Trump things that far ahead. To be honest, I kind of doubt it. 

 
 
 
Ender
4.1.130  Ender  replied to  Tacos! @4.1.129    3 weeks ago

So Obama froze aid when the military took over a country or the country had a coup.

McConnell himself said he wondered and never got a reason why the aid was withheld.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
4.1.131  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Ender @4.1.130    3 weeks ago
So Obama froze aid when the military took over a country or the country had a coup.

as who the fck knows where the funds would go...

these examples have nothing to do with Trump, as what was his reason again, oh yea, he hasn't given it. 

 
 
 
Ender
4.1.132  Ender  replied to  igknorantzrulz @4.1.131    3 weeks ago

He did throw out some lame excuse about other countries not paying their fair share.

We all know that is bullshit though.

 
 
 
Tacos!
4.1.133  Tacos!  replied to  Ender @4.1.130    3 weeks ago
So Obama froze aid when the military took over a country or the country had a coup.

Yeah, my understanding is that it's a requirement, but that hinges on how one defines a coup. When it came up under the Obama administration, he didn't always want to call it a coup (Egypt, for example). In Ukraine, Trump seemed to be making the argument that the existing government was too corrupt to be trusted with aid.

Taking him at his word for a moment (please withhold laughter), that is an issue we have confronted in the past (e.g. Nigeria, Ethiopia, and other African countries). There is often pressure to withhold aid to the country, knowing that corrupt officials will just use the money to buy another mansion somewhere, but I don't think the president has as much authority in that circumstance. That may be the reason Trump had to change his mind so quickly.

 
 
 
Ender
4.1.134  Ender  replied to  Tacos! @4.1.133    3 weeks ago

My contention is, if that was the case, why lie about it. If that was what was going on all along he could have said that and saved himself a bunch of trouble.

Instead he makes up excuses and lies. One has to wonder why.

 
 
 
pat wilson
4.1.135  pat wilson  replied to  Tacos! @4.1.129    3 weeks ago

Were any of those instances an effort to buy aid for an election campaign ?

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
4.1.136  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Ender @4.1.132    3 weeks ago
He did throw out some lame excuse about other countries not paying their fair share.

His first excuse was something about being concerned with corruption, which is fckn hilarious, and then he changed it to something about what you stated, fair share or some shit.

What from the released excerpt, has anything to do with that ?

B sides    NOTHING 

 
 
 
loki12
4.1.137  loki12  replied to  Karri @4.1.126    3 weeks ago

That is just ignorant, he had 17 democrats on his staff that wrote the report, if they had the evidence they would have put it in the report.

answer a question if you can, if they knew they couldn’t charge trump with a crime, and their only recourse was impeachment, why didn’t they put the evidence in the report plainly written so even a low functioning moron like Schiff or Nadler could follow it? There was no there, there, that’s why democrats have moved on to the next shiny object. The whistle blower. 

 
 
 
Tacos!
4.1.138  Tacos!  replied to  pat wilson @4.1.135    3 weeks ago
Were any of those instances an effort to buy aid for an election campaign ?

I suppose you could argue anything, but I wouldn't say so. However, I don't see it in the current situation. The release of aid apparently happened independently of any request. In fact, the aid has already been unfrozen and nothing has happened in the way of an investigation. Just saying "we're friends, so do me a solid" doesn't quite equate to buying aid for a campaign.

 
 
 
Tacos!
4.1.139  Tacos!  replied to  Ender @4.1.134    3 weeks ago
My contention is, if that was the case, why lie about it.

Did he lie or was it more like there was an explanation on Monday and a different, perhaps supplemental reason on Tuesday?

 
 
 
Ender
4.1.140  Ender  replied to  Tacos! @4.1.139    3 weeks ago

Not to sound mean yet, do you even hear yourself? A supplemental reason?

Why in the world would someone need a supplemental reason unless the first reason was bullshit.

 
 
 
Tessylo
4.1.141  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Ender @4.1.140    3 weeks ago

Doesn't matter what the shitstain 'president' does, tacos always excuses it with his twisting and nonsense.  

What the fuck is a 'supplemental' reason?????????????????

 
 
 
Tessylo
4.1.142  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Tacos! @4.1.133    3 weeks ago

All you have is bullshit and twisting for Christs' sake.  Give it up.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
4.1.143  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Ender @4.1.134    3 weeks ago

All tacos has for this 'president' is excuses [deleted and twisting.]  

 
 
 
Tacos!
4.1.144  Tacos!  replied to  Ender @4.1.140    3 weeks ago

I don't see why you think it's that weird. He could have ten reasons but doesn't want to put the effort into explaining them all to people. I don't like being bothered with explaining every thought that went into a decision I made, so I may give you just one to start. If you keep bugging me about it, I might give you another.

Or it could be BS as you say. I'm not going to assume it's one or the other.

 
 
 
Tessylo
4.1.145  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Tacos! @4.1.144    3 weeks ago

All of your excuses and twisting and tRump ass kissing is weird. 

Supplemental reason/alternative fact/complete and utter bullshit.   

 
 
 
IceMan
4.1.146  IceMan  replied to  Tessylo @4.1.7    3 weeks ago
That's all they got.  

All you got is "That's all they got"

 
 
 
Tacos!
4.1.147  Tacos!  replied to  Tessylo @4.1.142    3 weeks ago
All you have is bullshit and twisting for Christs' sake.  Give it up.  

All you have is bullshit and twisting for Christs' sake.  Give it up.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
4.1.148  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Tacos! @4.1.147    3 weeks ago

So mature.

Worse than a toddler.

Just like tRump.  

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
5  Paula Bartholomew    3 weeks ago

Anyone who is stupid enough to work with Trump knowing his penchant for throwing people under the bus gets no sympathy from me.  As my mother once said to me "If you want sympathy, get a dictionary.  You will find it between shit and syphilis."

 
 
 
MUVA
5.1  MUVA  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @5    3 weeks ago

Does anyone get sympathy from you?

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
5.1.1  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  MUVA @5.1    3 weeks ago

When they deserve it, yes.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
5.2  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @5    3 weeks ago

Taint

that the truth

 
 
 
Tacos!
6  Tacos!    3 weeks ago

Of course if you don't think you're doing anything wrong, it's not throwing under bus. 

It's hard to take all of this seriously because someone in Party A does something and it's fine, but when someone in Party B does it, it's suddenly some shameful scandal and a national emergency. It's all kind of ridiculous.

 
 
 
Tessylo
6.1  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Tacos! @6    3 weeks ago

When did democrats ever collude with foreign governments to get dirt on their opponents?

NEVER

Twist, twist, twist, twist, twist.  

 
 
 
lady in black
6.1.1  lady in black  replied to  Tessylo @6.1    3 weeks ago

They haven't but for trumptard to do so it's all fine and dandy, just like candy.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
6.1.2  Greg Jones  replied to  Tessylo @6.1    3 weeks ago

Trump didn't collude with anyone.

Learn what you're attempting to talk about and get back with us.

 
 
 
MUVA
6.1.3  MUVA  replied to  Greg Jones @6.1.2    3 weeks ago

But Adam Shitt said he had proof.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
6.2  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Tacos! @6    3 weeks ago

Do you realize one from either side can say this...

 
 
 
Tacos!
6.2.1  Tacos!  replied to  igknorantzrulz @6.2    3 weeks ago

Oh yes, they all do it. When we elect a Democrat again, I'm sure you'll see some of this going the other way.

 
 
 
jungkonservativ111
6.3  jungkonservativ111  replied to  Tacos! @6    3 weeks ago
It's hard to take all of this seriously

The liberal news media has a problem because after they were so incredibly wrong on the Russia hoax, it's hard to take anything from them seriously. It's sad to have to say but they made a business decision to lie about Trump when they knew there was nothing there for over 2 years. It's obvious they will do whatever it takes to take Trump down so now even if he did ever do anything wrong, it would be like the boy crying wolf.

 
 
 
livefreeordie
7  livefreeordie    3 weeks ago

The malignant cancer threat to our Republic is the Democratic Party.   They are the single greatest threat to our continuance since our founding

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2019/09/25/wsj-columnist-notes-what-the-favor-trump-was-asking-of-the-ukrainian-president-n2553687

 
 
 
Tessylo
7.1  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  livefreeordie @7    3 weeks ago

Townhall?  jrSmiley_10_smiley_image.gif

The gop are a cancer, a shitstain on our democracy, this administration/'president' are a bunch of grifters, thieves, thugs, conmen, crooks, scum.  

 
 
 
lady in black
7.2  lady in black  replied to  livefreeordie @7    3 weeks ago

Trumptard and his republican minions are cancer to America

 
 
 
It Is ME
7.2.1  It Is ME  replied to  lady in black @7.2    3 weeks ago
Trumptard and his republican minions are cancer to America

There's so much good going on in this country for the MAJORITY of "American" citizens these days !

Do you have an example of the "Cancer" problem ?

 
 
 
Tessylo
7.2.2  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  It Is ME @7.2.1    3 weeks ago
'There's so much good going on in this country for the MAJORITY of "American" citizens these days !'

Do you have an example of the good 'going on in this country for the majority of american citizens' these days?

 
 
 
It Is ME
7.2.3  It Is ME  replied to  Tessylo @7.2.2    3 weeks ago
Do you have an example of the good 'going on in this country for the majority of american citizens these days?

Job Unemployment Rate ! jrSmiley_13_smiley_image.gif

Seems there are more jobs available than there are folks too.

320

Now for YOU:

Find ME the "Cancer" !

 
 
 
Tessylo
7.2.4  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  It Is ME @7.2.3    3 weeks ago

You must provide the link and the source of your graph.  

 
 
 
It Is ME
7.2.5  It Is ME  replied to  Tessylo @7.2.4    3 weeks ago
You must provide the link and the source of your graph.

Read bottom left corner of graph. jrSmiley_82_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Tessylo
7.2.6  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  It Is ME @7.2.5    3 weeks ago

'Read bottom left corner of graph.'

That's not a link.  

 
 
 
It Is ME
7.2.7  It Is ME  replied to  Tessylo @7.2.6    3 weeks ago

It's the Source !

Look it up if you dispute it. I know you can. jrSmiley_93_smiley_image.jpg

 
 
 
Tessylo
7.2.8  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  It Is ME @7.2.7    3 weeks ago

The graph has CNBC as the source.  You need a link to where you got the graph from.  A URL

 
 
 
It Is ME
7.2.9  It Is ME  replied to  Tessylo @7.2.8    3 weeks ago
The graph has CNBC as the source.

Exactly where it came from !

 
 
 
Tessylo
7.2.10  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  It Is ME @7.2.9    3 weeks ago

No, the url, the link to the graph, not just CNBC

You need to provide it since you posted the graph.

IT'S NOT UP TO  ME TO LOOK IT UP

 
 
 
MUVA
7.2.11  MUVA  replied to  Tessylo @7.2.2    3 weeks ago

Tax cuts.

 
 
 
lady in black
7.2.12  lady in black  replied to  MUVA @7.2.11    3 weeks ago

Tax cuts are a joke.

 
 
 
loki12
7.2.13  loki12  replied to  lady in black @7.2.12    3 weeks ago

Not to the people that received them, a 2500 dollar a year savings on my health insurance would have been nice.....but since i actually paid for my own and don't get it through the state. that never happened. 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
7.2.14  Trout Giggles  replied to  lady in black @7.2.12    3 weeks ago

They certainly are

 
 
 
lady in black
7.2.15  lady in black  replied to  loki12 @7.2.13    3 weeks ago

I'm a widow with no dependents.  My "tax cut" won't even fill the gas tank of my Silverado.  

I have health insurance through my job, and I'm in a high deductible and have a health savings account that my firm matches.  

 
 
 
loki12
7.2.16  loki12  replied to  lady in black @7.2.15    3 weeks ago
Silverado.

It appears you may be doing more damage to the environment then trump.  So you got a tax cut. even if it was a small one, Good for you!

        I have health insurance through my job, and I'm in a high deductible and have a health savings account that my firm matches. 

Isn't capitalism great! I didn't have a high deductible or high out of pocket until the ACA was passed. I do know our local hospital is happy, and so are most major health provider groups, they are making bank thanks to the ACA.   Somebody should have mentioned the unintended consequences of fixing health insurance to 20% operating/profit margin.   Businessmen and Capitalist are always smarter than the people we send to Washington, Unfortunately.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
7.2.17  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  loki12 @7.2.16    3 weeks ago
It appears you may be doing more damage to the environment then trump.

Beat me to it. I had the same thought. Those tanks are like 30+ gallons and hogs. Would take $100 or more a week cut to pay for that.

 
 
 
lady in black
7.2.18  lady in black  replied to  loki12 @7.2.16    3 weeks ago

Not that it's any of your FUCKING business, but the Silverado was my late husbands and is paid for so I dumped my old car and now drive the Silverado....don't like it too fucking bad....

I'm done with your bullshit....talk to yourself

 
 
 
MUVA
7.2.20  MUVA  replied to  lady in black @7.2.12    3 weeks ago

Not for me we are saving thousands that isn’t a joke.

 
 
 
lady in black
7.2.21  lady in black  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @7.2.17    3 weeks ago
Not that it's any of your FUCKING business, but the Silverado was my late husbands and is paid for so I dumped my old car and now drive the Silverado....don't like it too fucking bad.... I'm done with your bullshit....talk to yourself

 
 
 
MUVA
7.2.22  MUVA  replied to  Trout Giggles @7.2.14    3 weeks ago

Not for upper middle class it’s thousands in saving.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
7.2.23  Greg Jones  replied to  lady in black @7.2.18    3 weeks ago

It's your own fault if you get upset over all this.

 
 
 
lib50
7.2.24  lib50  replied to  Greg Jones @7.2.23    3 weeks ago

I imagine its a lot more fun to try to get under someones skin than think about the subject of this seed, which is Pence being tied to Trumps high crimes and misdemeanors.

 
 
 
Tessylo
7.2.25  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  MUVA @7.2.11    3 weeks ago

Tax cuts for the 1%

NEXT

 
 
 
Tessylo
7.2.26  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  lib50 @7.2.24    3 weeks ago

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MrFrost
7.2.27  MrFrost  replied to  loki12 @7.2.16    3 weeks ago
So you got a tax cut. even if it was a small one, Good for you!

Which counts for nothing when you factor in the tariffs... You are actually LOSING money. But hey, the super rich got richer, that should make ya feel good! 

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
7.2.28  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Greg Jones @7.2.23    3 weeks ago

It's your own fault if you get upset over all this.

What a JO Trump statement

 
 
 
Karri
7.2.29  Karri  replied to  lady in black @7.2.15    3 weeks ago
I'm a widow with no dependents.  My "tax cut" won't even fill the gas tank of my Silverado.  

I am also a widow with no dependents.  I ended up paying more even though I choose to retire and, therefore, had a lower income.

 
 
 
IceMan
7.2.30  IceMan  replied to  Tessylo @7.2.26    3 weeks ago

Sandy, how many CoC's and skirting the CoC does Tessie have to get before she's suspended for a few days?

Seems like she used up her limit just on this thread.

 
 
 
Tacos!
7.2.31  Tacos!  replied to  IceMan @7.2.30    3 weeks ago

For real.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
7.3  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  livefreeordie @7    3 weeks ago

The malignant cancer threat to our democracy is the Republican Party. They are the single greatest threat to our continuance since our founding.

Your constant attacks on real Americans is both sad and disgusting. You have added nothing to the conversation other than to malign and lie about patriotic Americans and its getting old. I get it, you're stuck in your ways and can't see anything past your hatred of law abiding tax paying American citizens simply because they don't accept your narrow brand of faith. No matter how hard you cry and whine about Democrats, liberals, progressives, Muslims, immigrants, atheists, lgtbq Americans and everyone else you obviously despise, America is growing more diverse every year and that's not going to change even with a vile piece of shit like Trump in the white house. Go ahead, gnash your teeth, cry and complain, call everyone socialists, statists, Marxists, communists, whatever fantasy attack you want, it won't make a bit of difference as the majority of Americans continue to support freedom, justice and equality for all regardless of race, gender, gender identity, sexual orientation, faith or lack thereof.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
7.3.1  Greg Jones  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @7.3    3 weeks ago

You certainly sound angry and unhappy, and unable to follow the CoC guidelines,

I doubt if you're as virtuous as you're trying to make us believe.

 
 
 
loki12
7.3.2  loki12  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @7.3    3 weeks ago
real Americans

I would be interested in hearing your definition of "real" Americans.

Please try to limit it to US citizens, because I'm sure our central and south American brethren have a different idea than us Yankee northerners do.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
7.3.3  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Greg Jones @7.3.1    3 weeks ago
I doubt if you're as virtuous as you're trying to make us believe.

I'm not trying to make you believe anything. I have gotten tired of some peoples constant attacks on entire groups of Americans who have done nothing wrong but love this country but are told they are "the single greatest threat" to this country. There are some who attack others just for being liberal, progressive, gay or transgender. I try hard not to attack anyone personally just because they're a religious conservative, but I frequently attack the religious conservative idea that we are somehow a "Christian nation" and not a diverse nation of immigrants made stronger by our diversity of faith, race and sexual orientation.

Hopefully you can see the sarcasm in the first line of my comment where I was simply repeating the same nonsense back to lfod that he was throwing out at Democrats in general. It was intended to make a point as I do not actually feel all Republicans are "a cancer" as lfod claimed of Democrats. The implication of course is that he believes Democrats should be cut out of society or perhaps poisoned to death through metaphorical evangelical Christian chemotherapy. I've said many times that I do wish Americans could come together behind a common goal or to deal with a common threat or common enemy. I would have thought that we would have come together to push back on the blatant election interference from Russia, what I believe to be our common enemy with a known murderous dictator who greatly desires to sabotage western democracy and everything America stands for. But sadly that didn't happen. Instead, we saw polls of Republicans where as many as 40% viewed Russia as a friend and ally, even after their election interference. Vladimir Putin truly is the greatest threat to America and our ideals that I've seen in my lifetime, far worse than any former head of Russia even back into the cold war days. And to hear another fellow American proclaim that it's not Putin or Russia but other law abiding American citizens who are the "greatest threat" just boggles the mind.

Liberals, progressives, Democrats, immigrants and minorities, in general, desire an America that has room for everyone. Whether you're Christian, Muslim, Buddhist, Atheist or LGTBQ, we can all get along if everyone treats others as they would like to be treated. But there are some, not all, but some, who don't think there isn't room for everyone and are working hard to undermine our founders ideals going so far as to misrepresent our founders words in an effort to close down the borders and create some Berlin wall-like protectionist nation that doesn't welcome diversity and believes those who look different, worship different or are attracted to relationships not approved of by some faiths, should "get out" as if those clinging to the old white Christian patriarchy are the only "legitimate" Americans who deserve the protections provided by our constitution.

 
 
 
Ender
7.3.4  Ender  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @7.3.3    3 weeks ago

I too get tired of all the, Liberals are evil, shit. Democrats are the true enemy crap. The progressive people want to destroy the nation all the while, they themselves, backing legislation and thought that are detrimental to society/the US.

It is almost like that is the only way they can stay in power. Demonize and make a group of people an enemy. Always make it 'us against them'. That there is only one version of the US, their version, and they have the key.

Funny how when Obama was in power, Russia was bad. How dare Obama tell them that after the election, he would have more room to negotiate. Now Putin is admired by these same people.

It is now acceptable to embrace and love murderous dictators, agree with Putin over our own intelligence agencies, condemn our allies and blame everything on some of their own countrymen.

 
 
 
JBB
7.3.5  JBB  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @7.3.3    3 weeks ago

DARN TOOTIN!

 
 
 
JBB
7.3.6  JBB  replied to  Ender @7.3.4    3 weeks ago

The virulent tribalism lfod espouses to dehumanize and demonize at least half his fellow Americans is toxic to the American body politic. There is no path forward with those of such false grace. Therefore modern society must advance without such hindering anchors leaving them in our dust...

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
7.3.7  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  loki12 @7.3.2    3 weeks ago
I would be interested in hearing your definition of "real" Americans.

"Real" Americans are those who embrace what our nation truly stands for, the ideals of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, freedom, justice and equality for all regardless of race, gender, gender identity, sexual orientation, faith or lack thereof. Real Americans can come from anywhere and look like anyone and speak any language. Real Americans embrace the Statue of Liberty and what she represents and who she is as the poem states she is "The Mother of Exiles" and proclaims to the rest of the world "Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me". Real Americans don't attack and discriminate against those who are merely different from them, or those who worship a different God or none. Real Americans do not have spite in their hearts for those who happen to look different, love different or feel their inside gender doesn't match their outside gender, they treat them just the same as they would like to be treated, with kindness and respect and have no problem serving them in businesses open to the public. Real Americans aren't selfishly trying to hoard American resources as if there isn't enough to go around, bitter at those who have more than themselves or condescending to those who have less. They share their bread with their fellow Americans regardless of our differences and they stand together to honor and respect those who protect our nation from threats and those who have given their lives protecting American values.

 
 
 
loki12
7.3.8  loki12  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @7.3.7    3 weeks ago

Well written, thank you. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
7.3.9  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @7.3.3    3 weeks ago

Kudos DP Kudos 

 
 
 
Tessylo
7.3.10  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  JBB @7.3.6    3 weeks ago

Lfod has even talked about taking up arms against democrats

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
7.3.11  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @7.3.7    3 weeks ago

Thank You

for expressing what so many actually feel, in our country that has become undone, as I will always salute ones who realize what our founding fathers had envisioned.

Very distinctly and respectfully stated

A tact, I often lack, though, I'm well aware you share similar frustration, as irregardless of the solid origins of your concisely created corespondence, you might possibly see how arguments stated from facts, are attemptedly debunked by deflection, straw men, and out and out False hoods 

..

again, excellently expressed,

 and non combative.

I have not your patience 

you take the High Road, and all roll wherever 

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
7.3.12  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @7.3.7    3 weeks ago

pduo

thats du[licate to everyone else

 
 
 
NV-Robin6
7.3.13  NV-Robin6  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @7.3.7    3 weeks ago

High fives! So well said and written.  So right on!  That is what "real Americans"  are in spite of what is in their wallets or their lot in life. Who these others are has to come from very bitter immigrants who carried their segregationist/superiority complex ideas with them. How else does this hate get instituted and a part of any family's genealogy or part of American history? (The Civil War told everything!) Yes, we have been fighting hate since day one this country decided to end England's rule and to shoot to find a more perfect union. We got here through the ideals you have so eloquently listed. Although long  from perfect but also long from a horrendous past.

600,000 died in the name of hate, and the will to fight against egregious human violations because some thought themselves superior.  The south and their way of hating found its fate already. 

We either learn by our mistakes or rinse and repeat. I see some who want to rinse and repeat.  I just roll my eyes and wonder how in the hell did they continue to be so stupid!?! 

 
 
 
Karri
7.3.14  Karri  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @7.3.3    3 weeks ago
I have gotten tired of some peoples constant attacks on entire groups of Americans who have done nothing wrong but love this country but are told they are "the single greatest threat" to this country.

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I am a (nearly) life-long military dependent.  I may not have had a choice about my father, but I choose to marry my husband despite knowing that his career would have to be more important than mine.  It was a sacrifice and accepted it knowingly and willing.  I supported his career and raised his children to remember, even when they were babies and their father was at sea more than at home.

Then, after my husband's death, I served in elected office.  Campaigning is not easy, nor is pleasing every one of your thousands of constituents.  But, I did it because it was right for my community.

I believe I have the right to call myself "patriotic" and that my entire life is proof of that.  Yet, there are some who have never been near a base or rarely even vote think they can call me unpatriotic because I thoughtfully disagree with them.

That is not the USA that my father, my uncles and my husband all spent so much of their adulthood serving. 

 
 
 
NV-Robin6
7.4  NV-Robin6  replied to  livefreeordie @7    3 weeks ago

[delete]

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
8  Just Jim NC TttH    3 weeks ago

Lotsa "Pot Meet Kettle" opportunities here today............well every day actually.

 
 
 
Tessylo
8.1  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @8    3 weeks ago

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Just Jim NC TttH
8.2  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @8    3 weeks ago

And the prosecution rests..............

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Nerm_L
9  Nerm_L    3 weeks ago

Well, it's a shallow attempt to spin the fact that Nancy Pelosi's slapping a 'new and improved' label on the ongoing Democratic political investigations was an abdication of control over the Democratic House.  Pelosi isn't in charge any longer; she has become just a figurehead.

Calling the ongoing Democratic political investigations 'impeachment investigations' doesn't change anything.  There wasn't a vote in the House to provide credence to the claim.  Pelosi was forced to accede to factions within the Democratic Party that are challenging Pelosi's leadership.  Pelosi lost; there's no other way to describe what has happened.  While this does provide the corrupt press an opportunity to sell more advertising, nothing concerning the ongoing investigations to dig up political dirt have changed.

 
 
 
Tessylo
9.1  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Nerm_L @9    3 weeks ago

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Nerm_L
9.1.1  Nerm_L  replied to  Tessylo @9.1    3 weeks ago

And Trump  did not throw Mike Pence under the bus.  Mike Pence conversing with Zelensky is going to be reported eventually.  Trump just disclosed those conversations and took away a 'breathtaking' disclosure from the corrupt press.  

Trump is well ahead of the hair-on-fire press once again; Trump gets this scoop.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
9.1.2  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Nerm_L @9.1.1    3 weeks ago

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lady in black
9.1.3  lady in black  replied to  Nerm_L @9.1.1    3 weeks ago

Trump is a few scoops short of a pint of ice cream

 
 
 
Ender
9.1.4  Ender  replied to  lady in black @9.1.3    3 weeks ago

Plus, all vanilla is boring.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
9.1.5  Greg Jones  replied to  Tessylo @9.1.2    3 weeks ago

And you know that absolutely nothing detrimental to Trump will happen because of this latest left wing kerfuffle.

Biden and his boy will not be so fortunate.

 
 
 
loki12
9.1.6  loki12  replied to  Greg Jones @9.1.5    3 weeks ago

It's going to get ugly, Nadler now has a Ocasio Cortez clone primaring him. expect him to be wearing his

      I'm with Che'

Shirt at the next hearing.

 
 
 
Tessylo
9.1.7  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  lady in black @9.1.3    3 weeks ago

He's an order of fries short of a happy meal 

 
 
 
Tessylo
9.1.8  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Greg Jones @9.1.5    3 weeks ago

Biden and his son are guilty of nothing

 
 
 
lib50
9.1.9  lib50  replied to  Nerm_L @9.1.1    3 weeks ago
Trump is well ahead of the hair-on-fire press once again; Trump gets this scoop.  

May want to revisit that prediction.  Trump and his spokesholes had a huge failure in talking points yesterday.  The days of unchallenged lies and conspiracy theories are finally over. 

 
 
 
NV-Robin6
9.2  NV-Robin6  replied to  Nerm_L @9    3 weeks ago

You should probably get used to calling her Madame President!

 
 
 
MrFrost
9.2.1  MrFrost  replied to  NV-Robin6 @9.2    3 weeks ago

You should probably get used to calling her Madame President!

While it will never happen, someone over on fox news, (comment section), said that it IS possible. Trump and Pence are impeached, (or resign), Pelosi is POTUS, takes Hillary as VP, Pelosi resigns. 

Of course it's a massive pipe dream that would never happen, but, it would be funny as hell watching the nutters heads explode. 

 
 
 
Nerm_L
9.2.2  Nerm_L  replied to  NV-Robin6 @9.2    3 weeks ago
You should probably get used to calling her Madame President!

For six months?

The House won't vote on articles of impeachment before the end of the year because there are several long recesses.  An impeachment trial will drag on past the end of primaries.  So, Pelosi would be a six month President without any opportunity for reelection.  And Pelosi would lose the the House Speaker's position.

Under that scenario, electing the first woman President would lose its luster as a political selling point.  A short term political win would carry a very high cost for Democrats. 

 
 
 
NV-Robin6
9.2.3  NV-Robin6  replied to  MrFrost @9.2.1    3 weeks ago

I read that possibility on twitter. I literary laughed my ass off! ;-)

Especially seeing their heads explode while we revel in Nirvana! 

It would be sweet karma! 

 
 
 
NV-Robin6
9.2.4  NV-Robin6  replied to  Nerm_L @9.2.2    3 weeks ago

So hold your breath why dontcha? 

 
 
 
Nerm_L
9.2.5  Nerm_L  replied to  NV-Robin6 @9.2.4    3 weeks ago
So hold your breath why dontcha? 

Why?  The fear is that Pelosi will stall on impeachment to run out the clock.

Keep in mind that the Democratic Senators running for President would need to recuse themselves from an impeachment trial.  So, any attempt at impeachment will need to wait until Joe Biden pretty much has the nomination locked up and the Senators drop out of the race.

 
 
 
lib50
9.2.6  lib50  replied to  Nerm_L @9.2.5    3 weeks ago

Did any gop recuse from the Clinton impeachment hearings? 

 
 
 
Nerm_L
9.2.7  Nerm_L  replied to  lib50 @9.2.6    3 weeks ago
Did any gop recuse from the Clinton impeachment hearings? 

I do not know if any Republicans (or Democrats) recused themselves from Clinton's impeachment trial..  The impeachment of Bill Clinton occurred in the middle of Clinton's second term and affected midterm elections.

The Mueller investigation was timed to coincide with the middle of Trump's first term.  The political collapse of the Mueller probe really did stymie Democrat's efforts to impeach Trump.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
10  seeder  Tessylo    3 weeks ago

Trump has been sucking Putin's dick for many years now and has been taking it up the ass whenever Putin wants a change of pace and 

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
11  Freedom Warrior    3 weeks ago

 The Dems are spiraling so mindlessly out of the control it’s a horror to watch. 

If I were to give it a movie title, I would entitle it “Fatal Instinct”.

 
 
 
MrFrost
11.1  MrFrost  replied to  Freedom Warrior @11    3 weeks ago
 The Dems are spiraling so mindlessly out of the control it’s a horror to watch. 

Well, let's look at what we have, (a short list). 

1) Trump admitted he brought up Biden during the call to the Ukraine.

2) Trump told Pence to withhold the funding to the Ukraine until AFTER trump talked to the president.

3) Rudy, on live TV admitted he asked the Ukraine to investigate Biden, (Rudy is not a government employee, and the State Dept. said today that they didn't authorize Rudy to do ANYTHING with regards to the Ukraine, which is ILLEGAL, Rudy is likely going to be disbarred and could be going to prison, but personally I doubt it). 

4) The trump admin moved the call logs to a private secret server, (gee, that sounds familiar). Other conversations that were intentionally hidden? The conversation with MBS after the Kishoge [sp] murder, and, "a few" calls to Putin. Why move JUST those conversations to this private secret server if not to hide them? 

5) The WB report corroborates what trump, rudy and the call logs said. So all the evidence lines up. 

6) The Ukraine said that they had no dirt on Biden OR Hunter, and nothing they did in the Ukraine was illegal. 

7) Trump said, "I want to ask you for a favor", to the President of the Ukraine, that's quid pro quo. "I'll get you your funding if you do me a favor.........". 

8) The WB report was filed back in July...The WH sat on it for almost two months, despite the law saying it had to be handed over to congress immediately. Why would they do that, in clear violation of the law? 

9) Hunter Biden was paid by a Ukrainian oligarch, not the Ukrainian government, there is NOTHING illegal about it. 

10) Joe Biden got a corrupt prosecutor fired and he was acting as VP of the USA, it was an official capacity. Trump, on the other hand, was looking for dirt to win an election. HUGE FUCKING DIFFERENCE. 

Trump says he is the most transparent president in history but he sure does seem to hide a LOT of information. 

"Law and order president" my ass. He makes Nixon look like an Eagle Scout. 

Seriously, whatever happened to just relying on US voters to decide and election? Why is trump so hell bent for leather in trying to get help with an election from other countries? Why not just let the election play out like it's supposed to? Because trump knows that without help, he literally has no chance at all of winning. 

 
 
 
NV-Robin6
11.1.1  NV-Robin6  replied to  MrFrost @11.1    3 weeks ago

These dudes and their hate-filled ideology is dying its last breath. Whatever it takes to throw our country and countrymen under the bus to keep from drowning, including begging and receiving help from our enemies. It never mattered to them. 

Its deeply a sad state of affairs really.

But, we see them now for what they are and if this is what took to pull them out from under their rocks to expose them and keep vigilance on them the remainder of their days, so be it. We will find balance here. 

You can bet those stirring for civil unrest are already well tagged by the NSA. Remember, "all enemies, foreign and domestic". Guess what!?

I think we have learned a great deal over the last 20 years. Growing pains are real and very hard some times.

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
11.1.2  Freedom Warrior  replied to  MrFrost @11.1    3 weeks ago

 You should read what I wrote again 

 
 
 
MUVA
11.1.3  MUVA  replied to  NV-Robin6 @11.1.1    3 weeks ago

Are you saying you want the NSA to spy on citizens of this country?

 
 
 
NV-Robin6
11.1.4  NV-Robin6  replied to  MUVA @11.1.3    3 weeks ago

Homegrown terrorists, yes. Those inciting civil unrest, yes. Like it or not, they already are in essence spying on all of us when we participate on the internet and/or use credit/debit cards, banking, store purchases, medical evals. Every single thing you do in this world and say online is stored.  Algorithms,  your worst nightmare?

There's your tyrannical government in the name of Homeland Security.

It's only a matter of time, miniature drones will be used as police weapons. The military already is using them. To think this gets in the hands of fascists dictators or fascist dictator wannabes as your democracy crumbles. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
11.1.5  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  MrFrost @11.1    3 weeks ago

'Seriously, whatever happened to just relying on US voters to decide and election? Why is trump so hell bent for leather in trying to get help with an election from other countries? Why not just let the election play out like it's supposed to? Because trump knows that without help, he literally has no chance at all of winning.'

Exfuckingactly!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 
 
 
Tessylo
11.1.6  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Freedom Warrior @11.1.2    3 weeks ago

What the fuck for?

 
 
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