Bernie Sanders has heart procedure for artery blockage, cancels events until ‘further notice’

  
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Bernie Sanders has heart procedure for artery blockage, cancels events until ‘further notice’

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Bernie Sanders has heart procedure for artery blockage, cancels events until ‘further notice’


Sen. Bernie Sanders' (I-VT) campaign announced Wednesday that the presidential candidate had two stents inserted after the discovery of a blocked artery and that he will canceling his upcoming events for now.

“During a campaign event yesterday evening, Sen. Sanders experienced some chest discomfort,” Senior Advisor Jeff Weaver said in a statement. “Following medical evaluation and testing he was found to have a blockage in one artery and two stents were successfully inserted. Sen. Sanders is conversing and in good spirits. He will be resting up over the next few days. We are canceling his events and appearances until further notice, and we will continue to provide appropriate updates.”

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JohnRussell
1  seeder  JohnRussell    3 weeks ago

Bernie Sanders will never be president of the United States, but he will go down in history, favorably, for being the "Moses" of the income inequality movement.  One day his dreams will be reality in America. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
1.1  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @1    3 weeks ago
One day his dreams will be reality in America. 

God, let us all hope not.

Why should everyone be paid equally?

That is a stupid concept.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
1.1.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Texan1211 @1.1    3 weeks ago
Why should everyone be paid equally?

That's not what "income inequality" refers to. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
1.1.2  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Texan1211 @1.1    3 weeks ago
Why should everyone be paid equally?

Sanders has been running for president for 4 years and talking about income inequality for much longer than that.   Please produce evidence that he has said or advocated that everyone be paid the same wage or salary? 

 
 
 
It Is ME
1.1.3  It Is ME  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.1    3 weeks ago
That's not what "income inequality" refers to. 

Do enlighten us !

Does …. "Government Taking from one to give to another", constitute "Equality" ?

That's what Bernie and Pocahontas wants.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
1.1.4  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  It Is ME @1.1.3    3 weeks ago

What Sanders advocates is higher taxes on the wealthy to pay for the welfare of the working class and poor, and higher wages for the low end of the wage scale. 

At some point that will become a reality at least to some extent. America is not sustainable with preference given to billionaires and our oligarchs. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
1.1.5  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.1    3 weeks ago

If someone want CDO pay, then they should endeavor to become a CEO.

Instead of whining about how other people make more than they do.

 
 
 
It Is ME
1.1.6  It Is ME  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.4    3 weeks ago
What Sanders advocates is higher taxes on the wealthy to pay for the welfare of the working class

When did an actual "Working" class person need "Welfare" ?

Do you ..... a "Working" person (and I'm assuming here), actually need "Welfare" to subsidize YOUR OWN needs ?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
1.1.7  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  It Is ME @1.1.6    3 weeks ago

It depends on how much money you make.  Obviously poor people cannot afford to pay for their own health insurance. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
1.1.8  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.4    3 weeks ago

Democrats' answer to virtually everything:

TAX THE RICH MORE TO PAY FOR ALL THE FREEBIES WE WANT TO HAND OUT TO GET VOTES.

 
 
 
Texan1211
1.1.9  Texan1211  replied to  It Is ME @1.1.6    3 weeks ago

Why work and struggle for anything when you can just vote yourself a share of the treasury?

Downfall of a democracy!

 
 
 
Sunshine
1.1.10  Sunshine  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.7    3 weeks ago
Obviously poor people cannot afford to pay for their own health insurance. 

Poor people don't pay for their own health insurance.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
1.1.11  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Texan1211 @1.1    3 weeks ago

"...income inequality movement."

Gee, does that mean we all get to be millionaires like Bernie?

 
 
 
Texan1211
1.1.12  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.7    3 weeks ago

Poor people may qualify for Medicaid.

They don't pay for it--taxpaying American citizens do.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
1.1.13  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Texan1211 @1.1.9    3 weeks ago

Has Bernie Sanders , or AOC, called for everyone to make the same amount of money?  For everyone to be "given" success?  I've never seen that. 

They want working class people, the poor, and the middle class to be given a better shake.   1% of the population owns 40% of the wealth of the country

The richest 1% of America's households own   40 % of the   country 's   wealth – the biggest proportion in 50 years, according to a new paper by economist Edward N. Wolff. The research, reported on by the Washington Post, also suggests that the   country 's top 1% have more   wealth   than the bottom 90% of households combined.
www.weforum.org/agenda/2017/12/chart-of-the-day-americas-richest-1-own-40-of-the-countrys …
What on earth makes you think that is the way it should be? 
 
 
 
Greg Jones
1.1.14  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.13    3 weeks ago

The poor can't easily pack up and move.

The RICH can and will.

If taxed too much they will take themselves, their families, and their assets...up to and including their companies to friendlier countries.

 
 
 
Texan1211
1.1.15  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.13    3 weeks ago
What on earth makes you think that is the way it should be? 

Probably just the way my parents raised me--what I EARN is mine, minus taxes. I don't have any claim to nor is it any of my fucking business what others EARN or have.

But hey, that's just me.

I never minded working for everything I have, and never expected or demanded that others provide me with squat.

But you be you.

 
 
 
It Is ME
1.1.16  It Is ME  replied to  Texan1211 @1.1.9    3 weeks ago
Downfall of a democracy!

DS is the way of the Newly Educated these days.

Something for NOTHING, as they're being taught !

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
1.1.17  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.13    3 weeks ago

Older story but I am sure it is still relevant to an even larger extent........

The top-earning 1 percent of Americans will pay nearly half of the federal income taxes for 2014, the largest share in at least three years, according to a study.

According to a projection from the non-partisan Tax Policy Center, the top 1 percent of Americans will pay 45.7 percent of the individual income taxes in 2014—up from 43 percent in 2013 and 40 percent in 2012 (the oldest period available).

The bottom 80 percent of Americans are expected to pay 15 percent of all federal income taxes in 2014, according to the study. The bottom 60 percent are expected to pay less than 2 percent of federal income taxes.

https://www.cnbc.com/2015/04/13/top-1-pay-nearly-half-of-federal-income-taxes.html

 
 
 
It Is ME
1.1.18  It Is ME  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.7    3 weeks ago
It depends on how much money you make.

It's ….. how much one "Spends", NOT how much one makes !

Stupid folks go over budget for the "Party Favors" they "WANT" all the time. Just like Big Gov. has been doing for themselves for Decades.

Folks have this hard time "Staying within their means", but Big Gov. will get their "Extra Wants" for them. The Democrats tell one so ! jrSmiley_88_smiley_image.gif

Gotta have what that other person has.....right ?

 
 
 
Texan1211
1.1.19  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.13    3 weeks ago
Has Bernie Sanders , or AOC, called for everyone to make the same amount of money?  For everyone to be "given" success?  I've never seen that. 

You know, just because you personally haven't seen it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Have you read AOC's Green New Deal?

Do you understand what basic universal income is?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
1.1.20  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Texan1211 @1.1.15    3 weeks ago

Are you one of the 1 percent? 

For individual income it starts at 300,000 dollars a year income and up. 

As net worth, the 1% starts at 10 million dollars net worth. 

https://dqydj.com/top-one-percent-united-states/

Interestingly, Elizabeth Warren's wealth tax proposal, which you are all whinging about, doesnt kick in AT ALL , until 50 million dollars of net worth. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
1.1.21  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @1.1.17    3 weeks ago

Uh, so what?

 
 
 
Texan1211
1.1.22  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.20    3 weeks ago
Are you one of the 1 percent? 

Nope. Nor am I jealous or upset with people who are in the 1 per cent.

I know that the rich already pay more than their "fair share" based on governmental figures.

I see no reason to punish them any further so Democrats can get votes from those who don't have as much.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
1.1.23  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.21    3 weeks ago

I can post it but I can't understand it for you...........................

 
 
 
XDm9mm
1.1.24  XDm9mm  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.13    3 weeks ago
What on earth makes you think that is the way it should be? 

Tell us all then what it "should be".   

Taking from me and mine to better you and yours is not in my or my families benefit.

Are all Americans to suffer equally in squalor before your appetite for 'equality' is sated?

 
 
 
XDm9mm
1.1.25  XDm9mm  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.20    3 weeks ago
Are you one of the 1 percent?  For individual income it starts at 300,000 dollars a year income and up. 

Not this year.   I've been lazy and relaxing in quasi retirement.

As net worth, the 1% starts at 10 million dollars net worth. 

Not yet, but getting there.

Why are you and others like you so enamored with the wealth of others?   Are you that envious that it eliminates your ability to conceptualize a viable means and method to attain that yourself?  Are you and those like you unable to desire personal gain without stealing it from others that have attained it?

If you want what I have, work for it yourself.   It really is that simple.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
1.1.26  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @1.1.23    3 weeks ago

I understand it fine. 

 
 
 
Snuffy
1.1.27  Snuffy  replied to  It Is ME @1.1.18    3 weeks ago

oh come on....    Why be an ant when you can be a grasshopper!!

 
 
 
It Is ME
1.1.28  It Is ME  replied to  Snuffy @1.1.27    3 weeks ago
oh come on....    Why be an ant when you can be a grasshopper !!

Does seem to be some folks "spirit animal" . jrSmiley_98_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Greg Jones
1.2  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @1    3 weeks ago

Aw geeze

That's too bad...now we're down to dumb and dumber.

You can have the type of government in the future, but I don't think you will like it that much.

Maybe in 50 years, but not anytime soon.

But by that time there will be no "rich" left to tax and steal from.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
1.2.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Greg Jones @1.2    3 weeks ago

Taxation is not theft. It is a societal decision as to how to distribute the benefits of the productivity of a society.  Or do you believe that a billionaire did it by himself? 

Stupid question. I know you believe that. 

 
 
 
Greg Jones
1.2.2  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @1.2.1    3 weeks ago

Excessive or usurious taxation is indeed theft.

I'm just saying there are not enough of the rich to tax to pay for all these green schemes, and that even more taxation will result in less of them 

I don't think you believe that.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
1.2.3  XDm9mm  replied to  JohnRussell @1.2.1    3 weeks ago
Or do you believe that a billionaire did it by himself? 

It sure as shit wasn't the panhandler with his hand out that made the billionaire now is it JR?

 
 
 
MUVA
1.2.4  MUVA  replied to  Greg Jones @1.2.2    3 weeks ago

You can always tell when someone didn’t have to work hard for their money by how cavalier they are about giving someone else’s money away.

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.3  Tessylo  replied to  JohnRussell @1    3 weeks ago

Maybe he'll drop out of the race altogether.  There's too many folks running.  It's ridiculous.  

 
 
 
MUVA
1.3.1  MUVA  replied to  Tessylo @1.3    3 weeks ago

I’m thinking about running as democrat for president on the I can give shit away to platform.

 
 
 
Krishna
1.4  Krishna  replied to  JohnRussell @1    3 weeks ago

It had looked like 3 people pulled ahead of the rest of the field (for The Democratic nomination): Biden, Warren and Sanders.

But the Sanders seemed to be fading-- and it started to look like this would mainly be a race between Biden and Warren anyway....

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
1.5  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @1    3 weeks ago

He wasn't quite as healthy as the President. 

 
 
 
Tacos!
2  Tacos!    3 weeks ago

So, he's done. Whatever chance he had is gone now. He might be perfectly fine for the next 8 years, but supporters aren't going to take that chance. Surely he knows that. I bet he drops out of the race soon.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
2.1  XDm9mm  replied to  Tacos! @2    3 weeks ago
I bet he drops out of the race soon.

Don't hold your breath on that one.   He did after all run as a socialist and won when everyone told him he's nuts.

 
 
 
JaneDoe
3  JaneDoe    3 weeks ago

I am not a Bernie fan but I am glad his procedure went well.

 
 
 
Sunshine
4  Sunshine    3 weeks ago

American citizens should not be penalized for being wealthy.

And, for not having children, being single, not owning homes, etc.  

The tax brackets need to go and bias deductions.  Make it a simple percentage across all income.  

 
 
 
Texan1211
4.1  Texan1211  replied to  Sunshine @4    3 weeks ago

Way too many people against a flat rate, unfortunately.

Some seem to think that we all don't need to have any skin in the game.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
4.1.1  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Texan1211 @4.1    3 weeks ago

And that is the sad part.............

 
 
 
JohnRussell
4.1.2  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Texan1211 @4.1    3 weeks ago

You actually think people who otherwise qualify for federal aid should pay federal income taxes? 

If you do that you are literally making poor people poorer.  I assume that is not your intention, but that is what it would be. 

 
 
 
XDm9mm
4.1.3  XDm9mm  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.2    3 weeks ago
You actually think people who otherwise qualify for federal aid should pay federal income taxes? 

Then you agree with President Trump.  He along with the Republicans did after all double the federal exemption.  

So now you see John, the man you detest with the core of your very being does believe in some things you do.   Maybe you could take that as a learning moment.

 
 
 
Texan1211
4.1.4  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.2    3 weeks ago

I believe in working for what I want and need, that no one owes me anything, and that if I want something, to save up for it and buy it and doing without until I can afford it.

If people don't have skin in the game, they have no incentive to improve. Some folks are merely content being takers all their lives.

That isn't me.

If one wants to part of a society, then they should contribute to all the things society helps to provide us. Like protecting our country, infrastructure, schools, etc.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
4.1.5  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Texan1211 @4.1.4    3 weeks ago

If you require people who are poor enough to receive government benefits to pay federal income taxes, you are literally making poor people poorer. 

That is not an opinion it is a fact. 

This is a simple concept, which most people understand. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
4.1.6  Tessylo  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.5    3 weeks ago

Don't know why when someone is told over and over and over and over again, the facts, why they're never able to grasp it.  

 
 
 
†hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh
4.1.7  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.5    3 weeks ago

1.4 million Americans have been lifted out of poverty by Government getting out of their way. The solution is to beat government out of our lives and wallets. It's the only thing that works.

 
 
 
Texan1211
4.1.8  Texan1211  replied to  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh @4.1.7    3 weeks ago

Some people would rather just hand over everything to those less fortunate or unwilling to work hard and smart.

Like someone is owed something because they manage to breathe.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
4.1.9  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.5    3 weeks ago

If I'm not mistaken they already (if they have a job that is) pay federal tax. The problem is, in a LOT of cases they get what they pay in and then some in the form of a refund. That's coming off of my contribution. As said, all should have some skin in the game and I don't care if it's 1 or 2%. But to get back more than they pay in is another form of welfare. JMHO

 
 
 
Texan1211
4.1.10  Texan1211  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @4.1.9    3 weeks ago

It isn't just your opinion--it is a fact that if you get a larger "refund" than you paid in, that is WELFARE.

Something for nothing.

 
 
 
livefreeordie
4.1.11  livefreeordie  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.5    3 weeks ago

The simple solution is to repeal the 16th amendment and be rid of the communist progressive income tax

 
 
 
Texan1211
4.1.12  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.5    3 weeks ago

Why do you think that everyone should benefit from society, but only some of us should actually PAY for those benefits?

 
 
 
MUVA
4.1.13  MUVA  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.5    3 weeks ago

In socialist countries the low earners pay more in taxes that is how they are able to provide more freebies.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
4.1.14  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  livefreeordie @4.1.11    3 weeks ago

Every government collects taxes. There is nothing communist about it.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
4.1.15  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Texan1211 @4.1    3 weeks ago
Way too many people against a flat rate, unfortunately.

I'd be fine with a flat tax as long as it applied to all income including carried interest and all the tax shelters and loopholes were closed. The OMB estimates that tax loopholes cost America $1.2 trillion a year. Just closing the loopholes would balance the budget and give us a surplus instead of a deficit. Sadly, those who take advantage of the loopholes control the politicians on both sides of the aisle so they're never actually going to close them no matter how much America suffers and sinks deeper into debt.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
4.1.16  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @4.1.9    3 weeks ago
As said, all should have some skin in the game and I don't care if it's 1 or 2%. But to get back more than they pay in is another form of welfare. JMHO

Yes, government benefits are a form of welfare. So what? 

I get a kick out of people who dont realize that poor people are an essential part of the capitalist economic system.  You probably think that if people just werent lazy everyone would make a living wage or be "successful". Capitalism requires a "race to the bottom" for wages, on the part of the employer. There will always be people who are not paid enough to provide for themselves or a family. Always. It is part of the system. 

So, when you are forced to pay part of your large salary or earnings to give "welfare" to the poor, just consider it part of the cost of doing business in a country that allows people like you to make a lot of money. 

The poor and unemployed play a role in the economy that is NECESSARY to an economy of WINNERS AND LOSERS. Capitalism. 

Singapore is considered one of the best examples of successful capitalism in the world. They have poor people coming out the ass. 

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livefreeordie
4.1.17  livefreeordie  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @4.1.14    3 weeks ago

Our founders unanimously opposed income taxes as tyrannical.  The income tax is listed by Marx as essential to destroy capitalism and move to first socialism and ultimately communism

The day the income tax was imposed we moved from being free citizens to subjects.  A free citizens owns the fruit of their labor. A subject keeps what the government allows them to have

 
 
 
JohnRussell
4.1.18  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @4.1.15    3 weeks ago

A flat tax is inherently unfair.  Everyone has to pay a certain amount of money just to exist in this world, food, gasoline, clothing, etc. 

These "essentials" eat up a much larger percentage of your income in line with the less income you have.  And vice versa, rich people spend a far less percentage of their income on essentials. 

A flat tax leaves the wealthy keeping a much larger percentage of their original income than poor people or working class people.  This is the reality that led to the progressive income tax. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
4.1.19  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Texan1211 @4.1.12    3 weeks ago
Why do you think that everyone should benefit from society, but only some of us should actually PAY for those benefits?

In a nutshell, capitalism.  Without the poor there would be no rich. This is obvious, but some people ignore or deny it. 

Don't you want to contribute to the maintaining of capitalism? 

 
 
 
XDm9mm
4.1.20  XDm9mm  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @4.1.15    3 weeks ago
I'd be fine with a flat tax as long as it applied to all income including carried interest and all the tax shelters and loopholes were closed.

Works for me.

Mortgage interest deductions----  GONE

State and local tax deductions---  GONE

Earned income tax credits---         GONE

Child care tax credits----                GONE

And the list goes on and on.

 
 
 
†hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh
4.1.21  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.19    3 weeks ago

Capitalism has provided more wealth to more people than any other economic system. For that reason it's the most compassionate to support.

Simple historical fact.

Argue with that for awhile.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
4.1.22  XDm9mm  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.16    3 weeks ago
Singapore is considered one of the best examples of successful capitalism in the world. They have poor people coming out the ass.

I don't give a shit about Singapore.   I live here in the United States of America.

But, if you want to be fined for spitting, move there.  If you want to be fined for chewing gum, move there.   If you want to live your life free of a totalitarian system, stay here, but on a personal note, please leave.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
4.1.23  XDm9mm  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.18    3 weeks ago
A flat tax is inherently unfair. 

NEWS FLASH JR....

Life is inherently unfair.

Some people are born ugly and some are born beautiful.

Some people go through life as walking blimps and some go through life as string beans.

Some people are born smart and some so stupid they can't count the number of fingers and toes they have.

Some people have great success and some only succeed at failure.

Some people with great promise die young and some with no ability other than the ability to breath die old.

Life is unfair JR.  Maybe it's time you realized that.

 
 
 
Sunshine
4.1.24  Sunshine  replied to  XDm9mm @4.1.23    3 weeks ago
Life is unfair JR.

I don't remember the poor helping me get through night school for a college degree while raising two little girls.  Working my ass off to better myself. 

People who want to better themselves in life should not be penalized for it, that is what is unfair.  

We need to help those who can't help themselves especially children, but those who can need to stop pissing and moaning about fairness.  

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
4.1.25  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  XDm9mm @4.1.20    3 weeks ago
Works for me.

Mortgage interest deductions----  GONE

State and local tax deductions---  GONE

Earned income tax credits---         GONE

Child care tax credits----                GONE

And the list goes on and on.

We would have to have a flat tax for all income but there would be a much larger individual tax deduction of something like $25,000. So the first $25,000 of income for each individual is tax free. Then a flat 15% tax on all income over that no matter how much you earn. If you're a hedge fund manager and earned $1 billion that year your first $25,000 is tax free and then you'd pay 15% on $999,975,000 making your income tax to be paid that year $149,996,250. No loopholes, no tax dodges, no charities set up to lobby the government to let you pay less in taxes or create new loopholes. And, since the Citizens United ruling determined corporations are people too, they would get the same deal, just without the individual tax credit since they aren't an individual but would be able to write off operating costs. If your company made $1 billion in income but spent $100M on payroll and operating costs then they would pay 15% on $900M or $135M in income tax.

And child tax credits would stay and be increased to $15,000 per child. So a family of four making $100,000 a year would get their individual tax credit of $25,000 for each parent plus two kids at $15,000 each making the total tax credit $80,000 so they would pay tax on $20,000 making their federal income tax $3,000. If that family made $200,000 a year then they would pay 15% on $120,000 so their tax bill would be $18,000. If they made $1M annual then they would pay 15% on $920,000 or $138,000 in income tax. Any family of four making $80,000 or less would pay zero federal income tax since they are already spending nearly all that income on living expenses anyway. The current national median income for a family of four was $61,372 so the vast majority of families in America would see their federal income tax drop to zero. This would allow them to afford health insurance and free up a lot of spending money which goes directly back into the economy paying for goods and services families really need.

It would be far simpler and no one would be "penalized" for being rich, they get the same deduction everyone else gets and pay the same tax everyone else does on any money over their standard deduction.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
4.1.26  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  XDm9mm @4.1.23    3 weeks ago

Since life is not fair then of course you will not complain when your taxes are higher than someone elses. 

 
 
 
XDm9mm
4.1.27  XDm9mm  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @4.1.25    3 weeks ago
So the first $25,000 of income for each individual is tax free.

President Trump has essentially already accomplished that with the tax act the Republicans got through.

The current STANDARD deduction is: 

Single $12,000
Head of Household $18,000
Married Filing Separately $12,000
Married Filing Jointly $24,000
Qualifying Widow(er) $24,000
And child tax credits would stay and be increased to $15,000 per child.

Why?  It's a PERSONAL decision to have children.  If you can't afford to raise them, don't have them.  Why should people unable or not wanting children be penalized compared to those that do?

If you propose a flat tax, make it a flat tax for everyone.  NO exceptions.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
4.1.28  XDm9mm  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.26    3 weeks ago
Since life is not fair then of course you will not complain when your taxes are higher than someone elses. 

They already are.   

When will YOU pay YOUR FAIR SHARE JR?

 
 
 
Jack_TX
4.1.29  Jack_TX  replied to  livefreeordie @4.1.11    3 weeks ago
The simple solution is to repeal the 16th amendment and be rid of the communist progressive income tax

The "simple" solution is to amend the Constitution.....  Riiiiiight.

What would make a "complicated" solution?

 
 
 
Sunshine
4.1.30  Sunshine  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.26    3 weeks ago
Since life is not fair

Yes, life is not fair.  You do night have the right to take another person's property simply because you didn't bother to earn your own. 

We do have a constitution that protects life, liberty, and property.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
4.1.31  Jack_TX  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.16    3 weeks ago
Capitalism requires a "race to the bottom" for wages, on the part of the employer.

No.  It doesn't.  That's just something socialists say because they don't begin to understand the thought process.

There will always be people who are not paid enough to provide for themselves or a family. Always. It is part of the system. 

The beauty of capitalism is that it continually raises expectations.  100 years ago, "provide for a family", meant a roof over their heads and food on the table.  Frequently the roof was self constructed and the food was self grown.

Now, the roof sits over an air-conditioned space with a flat screen TV.  We even have dipshit Millennials trying to tell us that high speed internet is a human right.

 
 
 
Sunshine
4.1.32  Sunshine  replied to  Sunshine @4.1.30    3 weeks ago
We do have a constitution that protects life, liberty, and property.

But socialist like Bernie and Warren want to slowly erode the protections in our Constitution by having free shit mandated by Congress.  Congress has done enough damage to the Constitution.  

 
 
 
XDm9mm
4.1.33  XDm9mm  replied to  Jack_TX @4.1.31    3 weeks ago
Capitalism requires a "race to the bottom" for wages, on the part of the employer.
No.  It doesn't.  That's just something socialists say because they don't begin to understand the thought process.

Of course they don't understand the thought process.   They never heard of people like Henry Ford who understood that he needed to pay his workers enough to be in a position to be able to buy the product they were making.

All the progressives understand is:

It's not fair that YOU earn more than I do.

The fact that you go out and work for what you have is immaterial.  The fact that you wanted to improve your personal situation on your own and experience the joy that brings is foreign to them.   It's so much easier when what you have you have to share with them 'just because'.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
4.1.34  XDm9mm  replied to  Sunshine @4.1.32    3 weeks ago
Congress has done enough damage to the Constitution.

And an AMEN to that!!

 
 
 
Jack_TX
4.1.35  Jack_TX  replied to  XDm9mm @4.1.33    3 weeks ago
They never heard of people like Henry Ford who understood that he needed to pay his workers enough to be in a position to be able to buy the product they were making.

Henry Ford was exceedingly unusual, so while you are definitely correct that they don't understand him...that's not what I'm talking about.  It's more fundamental.

What socialists don't understand is that employers compete for labor.  For example....I pay our college interns $14-$15/hr. Why?  Because by paying that we can get very, very good interns.  They want to work here, and they want to stay after they graduate.

Having very, very good people enables our business to grow, and enables us to compete and win against much larger competitors.  If enough businesses grow, the economy grows, and the pie we're all trying to get a piece of is bigger.  Pretty soon, we're all stuck in a vicious fucking cycle of excellence and prosperity and excellence and prosperity....over and over and over.  The rich get richer and the poor either get better and rich or stay bad do whatever it is poor people do....like watch singing competition shows on television, I suppose?

The entire socialist mentality is based on the idea that workers are roughly equal, despite complete and obvious evidence to the contrary.  As soon as they admit that people have different ability, their entire ideology falls apart. 

 
 
 
MUVA
4.1.36  MUVA  replied to  Jack_TX @4.1.35    3 weeks ago

plus some people work harder than others I for example make about 400,000 a year give or take 50 grand year to year just in income from my business but I put in 12 to 16 hour days 7 months of the year.My employees maybe work 8 hours a day if I’m lucky they get mad because I take most of the labor they turn I pay for all special tools parts trucks etc.I have a deal where if they turn over a certain amount of labor they get to keep half not one of them has even tried to take me up on the deal.

 
 
 
Texan1211
4.1.37  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.19    3 weeks ago
In a nutshell, capitalism.  Without the poor there would be no rich. This is obvious, but some people ignore or deny it. 
Don't you want to contribute to the maintaining of capitalism? 

Well, to use your very own dubious "logic", then people demanding an end to income inequality are contributing to the end of capitalism.

Why do you want to get rid of capitalism?

 
 
 
Jack_TX
4.1.38  Jack_TX  replied to  MUVA @4.1.36    3 weeks ago

OK...but if we're not careful we start to spread the myth that this is only about hard work.  You and I both know better.

You have a combination of intelligence, courage, common sense, perception and yes...industriousness.

But it's not just about hard work.  It's about being better.  One of the great lies we tell people is "if you work hard enough, you can be successful".  Well it takes more than that.  They have to stop being dumbasses, also.

 
 
 
MUVA
4.1.39  MUVA  replied to  Jack_TX @4.1.38    3 weeks ago

You are right it takes a combination I have run the family business for the last 13 years before that I was active duty in the Navy I have worked full time since 1977 did 15 years in the Navy 5 active duty I learn a lot that experience.I have gone to every service training school in the country just about some while in the Navy and some my father in law sent me to.We have to win tomorrow the shop comes to a stop and everyone must watch the match except my wife she leaves. I have turned like 8 guys that hated (football) soccer in fanatics. .

 
 
 
XDm9mm
4.1.40  XDm9mm  replied to  Jack_TX @4.1.35    3 weeks ago
Henry Ford was exceedingly unusual, so while you are definitely correct that they don't understand him...that's not what I'm talking about.  It's more fundamental.

What socialists don't understand is that employers compete for labor.  For example....I pay our college interns $14-$15/hr. Why?  Because by paying that we can get very, very good interns.  They want to work here, and they want to stay after they graduate.

Having very, very good people enables our business to grow, and enables us to compete and win against much larger competitors.  If enough businesses grow, the economy grows, and the pie we're all trying to get a piece of is bigger.  Pretty soon, we're all stuck in a vicious fucking cycle of excellence and prosperity and excellence and prosperity....over and over and over.  The rich get richer and the poor either get better and rich or stay bad do whatever it is poor people do....like watch singing competition shows on television, I suppose?

Excellent observation and as usual, very well said.   However, while I don't watch the entire series, some of those singers in the final episode are actually phenomenal and more than the "Winner" go on to great careers. 

The entire socialist mentality is based on the idea that workers are roughly equal, despite complete and obvious evidence to the contrary.  As soon as they admit that people have different ability, their entire ideology falls apart. 

All they need to do is look at any 'socialist' country.   I'll submit that the 'workers' do not enjoy anywhere near the extravagance of the 'ruling workers'.  I always reference back to George Orwell in that regard.... 

“All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.”

Obviously one would need to change the "animals" to 'people', but it's the sentiment that matters.

 

 
 
 
XDm9mm
4.1.41  XDm9mm  replied to  Jack_TX @4.1.38    3 weeks ago
But it's not just about hard work.

I always tell people that they should never work 'hard', they should work smart.  Leave the hard physical stuff to others and use your brains.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
4.1.42  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  XDm9mm @4.1.40    3 weeks ago

“All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.”

Of course Orwell meant that to be an allegory about people. 

 
 
 
dennis smith
4.1.43  dennis smith  replied to  XDm9mm @4.1.23    3 weeks ago

Very well said. No doubt the usual suspects will disagree using the same garbage they have been spewing.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
5  XDm9mm    3 weeks ago

Bernie, while I detest your politics, I wish you well and hope for a speedy recovery.   Good luck.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
5.1  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  XDm9mm @5    3 weeks ago

And...Bernie, while I detest your support of the proven antisemitic BDS, I wish you well and hope for a speedy recovery.  Good luck.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
6  Buzz of the Orient    3 weeks ago

Obviously Jimmy Carter was right - although I think he really was talking about Biden.

 
 
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