Under Attack, Biden Wrestles With Response

  
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Under Attack, Biden Wrestles With Response
But Mr. Biden is confronting an almost unimaginable situation: the president he hopes to challenge is facing impeachment for urging another country to help smear him. What's more, the House inquiry centers on what Mr. Biden values most in his private and public life: protecting his family and honoring institutional norms.

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As Trump made unfounded allegations about Biden and his son, the former vice president was torn over what to do. He now looks more vulnerable than at any point in the campaign.

WASHINGTON -- Joseph R. Biden Jr.'s presidential campaign was under attack, and he and his advisers were torn over what to do.

For more than a week, President Trump had been hurling unfounded accusations about Mr. Biden, his son Hunter and their dealings in Ukraine. Mr. Biden and his advisers debated whether to mount a fierce counterattack or to stick to a set of policy arguments he had been planning to roll out. Bad news loomed in the background: Mr. Biden's poll numbers had already grown wobbly, his fund-raising was uneven, and cable news was flashing chyrons by the hour showing Mr. Trump's wild claims.

Mr. Biden himself was equivocating: He wanted to defend and protect his son, but he also believed the president was baiting him into a dirty fight. And as a lifelong adherent to congressional tradition, Mr. Biden was wary of acting hastily as an impeachment inquiry was getting underway.

The strain grew so acute that some of Mr. Biden's advisers lashed out at their own party, taking the unusual step of urging campaign surrogates to criticize the Democratic National Committee -- a neutral body in the primary -- for not doing more to defend Mr. Biden, while the Republican National Committee was running TV ads attacking him. Frustrated, D.N.C. officials informed the Biden camp that it would continue denouncing Mr. Trump but would not run ads for Mr. Biden or any other candidate.

The Biden campaign's tense deliberations reached a climax last weekend when Mr. Biden agreed to give a scorching rebuttal to Mr. Trump in a speech on Wednesday in Reno, Nev. But he delivered it well into the evening on the East Coast, and it was mostly lost amid another long day of Trumpian eruptions.

To some Biden allies, it seemed too little too late: a case study in political indecision. Now Mr. Biden looks more vulnerable than at any point since he entered the campaign. Facing one of the greatest challenges of his candidacy, Mr. Biden has plainly struggled to meet the moment, or fully reconcile his own cautious instincts with his protectiveness of his family's privacy and his preference for taking the moral high road against Mr. Trump.

Interviews with more than 50 Democratic strategists, lawmakers and lobbyists provide a portrait of a candidacy facing challenges on all sides, and one at risk of losing its core argument that Mr. Biden is the Democrat best able to defeat Mr. Trump in a general election.

There is no evidence behind Mr. Trump's claim that Mr. Biden intervened inappropriately with Ukraine to help his son, but Democrats have been unnerved by the president's onslaught and Mr. Biden's halting response.

In addition to the attacks from Mr. Trump, Mr. Biden's top rivals, Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders, each out-raised him in the third quarter by about $10 million. And as Ms. Warren has emerged as Mr. Biden's most formidable competition, Mr. Sanders, her main challenger for progressive support, just had a heart attack, casting uncertainty over whether he could siphon votes from Ms. Warren, as the Biden camp had hoped.

Even before last week, Mr. Biden's advisers were acknowledging to donors that he may well lose both of the leadoff nominating contests in Iowa and New Hampshire.

His communications aides contend that most voters were more focused on what Mr. Trump did to prompt the impeachment inquiry than on the false claims themselves. And they pointed to the former vice president's forceful attacks on Mr. Trump at a news conference Friday to argue that he was now ready to do battle with the president.

"This guy like all bullies is a coward," Mr. Biden said. "He does not want to run against me."

On Thursday, Mr. Biden, whose inner monologue rarely remains repressed, gave voice to the tension he is struggling with as he spoke at a fund-raiser in Palo Alto, Calif.

Recalling the difficulty Hillary Clinton had in confronting Mr. Trump's campaign style, Mr. Biden worried about being "sucked into the trap of the stuff that Trump was laying. He wants you in a mud fight."

"But when you respond to that," he continued, "it brings you back down into that."

Mr. Biden was even blunter, and angrier, in private after news first emerged that Mr. Trump had exhorted the Ukrainian government to investigate him and his son.

"I can't believe this guy is going after my family like this," he told Senator Chris Coons of Delaware, as the two campaigned in Iowa, Mr. Coons recalled.

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Leading Democrats have been pleading privately with Mr. Biden and his top aides to aggressively confront Mr. Trump, and expressing impatience with them for not seizing this opportunity to engage him in a two-man race. After all, Mr. Biden had spent months framing his candidacy as a singular crusade to oust an aberrant president.

"It's time to really respond so everybody hears it," said Representative Cedric Richmond of Louisiana, a campaign co-chairman. "If someone says something enough, people will start to believe it, and this president gets in his zone of telling a lie over and over again. You have to make sure people don't believe in it."

David Plouffe, former President Barack Obama's campaign manager, was mystified. Mr. Biden "should use this moment and become Trump's opponent," Mr. Plouffe said. "I don't understand it."

But Mr. Biden is confronting an almost unimaginable situation: the president he hopes to challenge is facing impeachment for urging another country to help smear him. What's more, the House inquiry centers on what Mr. Biden values most in his private and public life: protecting his family and honoring institutional norms.

Several Democrats close to Mr. Biden say he did not take on Mr. Trump sooner in large part because of his reverence for congressional prerogatives -- he did not want to immediately insert himself into the House's jurisdiction. But Mr. Biden also sought to address the attacks on his son on his own terms rather than sit for hastily arranged television interviews that would have forced him to answer questions about Hunter Biden's work that few of his own aides dared pose.

Now, just as his monthslong lead in the primary is eroding, he faces an opponent who's threatening his son, the political system he dedicated his adult life to and, as he approaches his 77th birthday, his last chance to become president.

Worried about his family

For Mr. Biden's campaign, no attack could have been more difficult to deal with than one involving the candidate's son.

Mr. Biden nearly did not run for president because of the effect it would have on his family -- and particularly on Hunter Biden and his children, according to multiple advisers to the former vice president. Hunter Biden has struggled for years with substance addiction and had recently gone through a very public divorce from his first wife.

In separate interviews, Mr. Coons and his fellow senator from Delaware, Tom Carper, both said they had warned Mr. Biden that the president would target his family.

"He expected his family to be attacked," Mr. Carper said, adding that Mr. Biden assured him he was braced for "the onslaught."

Mr. Biden's family, including his son, encouraged him to enter the race, knowing the attacks were inevitable. But as Anita Dunn, one of Mr. Biden's closest advisers, put it: "When it happens, it still feels pretty lousy."

The Biden campaign has attempted to handle the candidate's son with great sensitivity. Mr. Biden made clear at the outset that Hunter, a lawyer who had long advised his father on his campaigns, should not be made to feel excluded, people who spoke with him said. One adviser to Mr. Biden recently telephoned his son to solicit advice on the upcoming debate in Ohio.

But to most of Mr. Biden's aides, Hunter Biden has been a spectral presence. He is living in Los Angeles and stayed away from Mr. Biden's campaign launch in Philadelphia. Hunter Biden quietly attended the last two debates and appeared with his new wife, Melissa Cohen, at a July fund-raiser in Pasadena, Calif.

Still, Mr. Biden's advisers are aware that Hunter Biden carries political vulnerabilities. His business career has intersected repeatedly with his father's political power, through roles he had held in banking, lobbying and international finance. Working for a Ukrainian energy company beginning in 2014, he was paid as much as $50,000 a month while his father was vice president, and some of Mr. Biden's admirers worry that, while Mr. Trump's accusations are without merit, voters may view Hunter Biden's actions as problematic.

Even one of Mr. Biden's Democratic rivals, Beto O'Rourke, said on Saturday that he would not allow "anyone in my cabinet to have a family member to work in a position like that."

In the past, Mr. Biden has bristled at questions about whether his family had benefited financially from his political career. He did so again on Friday when he was asked whether his son's work in Ukraine represented a conflict of interest. Pointing a finger at the questioner he said: "Let's focus on the problem. Focus on this man, what he's doing, that no president has ever done. No president!" The Trump campaign was soon circulating a clip of the episode.

For his allies, it is both poignant and painful that Mr. Biden's family is again at the heart of his public identity. He lost his first wife and daughter, and nearly lost his two sons, in a car accident in the weeks after he was elected to the Senate in 1972. His final years as vice president, as well as his hopes to run for president in 2016, were overwhelmed by his elder son Beau's death from brain cancer.

Jim Mowrer, a former Democratic congressional candidate from Iowa who served with Beau Biden in the military, said he spoke to Hunter Biden early this year and got the impression he was trying to focus on personal matters rather than the campaign. Mr. Mowrer said he saw the elder Mr. Biden in Iowa last month and they discussed not Hunter but his other son, Beau.

"Beau's death is very, very fresh in his mind, and so now these attacks on Hunter are even more unsettling," Mr. Mowrer said.

A big bet on South Carolina

The politics of Ukraine and impeachment have been so costly for Mr. Biden, in part, because he is confronting so many other challenges in the Democratic race: a struggle to excite liberal primary voters, an ascendant rival in Ms. Warren and a decline in fund-raising that has forced him to spend even more time appealing to donors in cities hundreds of miles from the early primary states.

Mr. Biden's campaign manager, Greg Schultz, acknowledged some of those problems in a briefing for Democratic donors at Morgan Stanley's New York office last month. Mr. Schultz assured the group that they had a path to the nomination that depended on winning South Carolina -- the fourth primary state -- and then scoring big victories in the Super Tuesday primaries in March.

In South Carolina, where Mr. Biden's support appears strongest among the early-voting states, some of his supporters are discussing a trip to Iowa before Thanksgiving -- to vouch for the former vice president, and to emphasize his ability to appeal to minority constituencies, like African-Americans.

"We probably know Joe Biden a lot better than they do," said State Senator Dick Harpootlian of South Carolina, a Biden supporter.

Mr. Schultz acknowledged at the briefing that Mr. Biden had been uneven at times during debates and on the stump. Still, he predicted Mr. Biden would maintain an advantage over Ms. Warren, saying she would struggle to overcome the persistent competition on the left from Mr. Sanders.

But Ms. Warren has recently pulled well ahead of Mr. Sanders. Now, even Mr. Biden's own campaign aides privately acknowledge that South Carolina may not be much of a political firewall if Ms. Warren rolls through Iowa, New Hampshire and Nevada.

As he finds his way forward, Mr. Biden is relying on a circle of advisers, some formal and others less so, but there is no chief strategist. Mike Donilon, who wrote much of the Reno speech, may be the closest person to playing that role. Democrats who know Mr. Biden well say the campaign is mostly in his hands -- and he makes the final calls.

While Mr. Biden's team has done little polling in the race, he is expected to conduct a survey of Iowa Democrats next week on the Ukraine issue ahead of a new advertising push in the state.

Mr. Biden has begun to escalate his attacks on the president, and his campaign began airing a commercial hitting back at the president for trying to "pick his opponent and face only the candidates he thinks he can beat." Still, there is no final consensus, in Mr. Biden's camp, about how consistently he should confront Mr. Trump.

"He's never gone negative," said William M. Daley, the former White House chief of staff, who worked on Mr. Biden's 1988 campaign. "That's not him, that's the charm of Joe."

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JohnRussell
1  seeder  JohnRussell    2 weeks ago

The only way to deal with Trump is to punch him in the mouth. 

Biden is in danger of frittering away his argument that he is the best to take on Trump.   I dont think Warren will have that hesitancy.  Or some of the other Democratic candidates. 

Joe Biden would be 1000 times a better president than Trump. But he's going to have to fight for it. 

 
 
 
WallyW
1.1  WallyW  replied to  JohnRussell @1    2 weeks ago

Biden is unacceptable to the hard left core of the Democrat party.

They will not nominate him, he is damaged goods now.....thanks to Trump

None of the rest of the left wing candidate clowns is electable 

Trump will be reelected, and the  Dems will likely lose the House.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
1.1.1  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  WallyW @1.1    2 weeks ago
 
 
 
CB
1.1.2  CB   replied to  WallyW @1.1    2 weeks ago

Wishful thinking on your part. Enough distraction with this one.


Mr. Biden & Staff! If you read this one:

Let Biden be Biden. Don't overthink. As the axiom goes: The greater the risk: the bigger the price. Go BIG! When someone attacks your family - protect what matters to you and leave it up to people to understand. Remember former President Obama won the 'day' against the 'coup de graces' Reverend Wright and Sara Palin's memorable, " Barack Hussein Obama is pal'ing around with terrorists."

Barack won the 'conflict' with a deliverable: A major speech to address his opponents storm—to its face!

That very 24 hours the dark clouds dispersed and dissipated.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
1.1.3  Greg Jones  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @1.1.1    2 weeks ago

The wise ones amongst us have learned not to trust too heavily in polls. A lot can happen in the next 13 months, not the least of which is Barr and Durham attempting to get to the bottom of Russian collusion scandal and how it ended up in now the discredited Mueller Report. What did Obama know and when did he know it? Were Federal agencies weaponized against Trump and who was involved and to what extent?  Was Biden involved in any of this? The American people have a right to know.

 
 
 
CB
1.1.4  CB   replied to  Greg Jones @1.1.3    2 weeks ago

"The American People." Yeah - those "patriots" again. (Dryly.)

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
1.1.5  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  WallyW @1.1    2 weeks ago

Look up damaged goods and you will find Trump's picture.

 
 
 
PJ
2  PJ    2 weeks ago

Biden is not up to the task of challenging this president and his administration because he has a moral code.  He's a decent guy trying to apply an old campaign model against a corrupt president and administration supported by a base whose majority is ignorant and unpatriotic.   Biden is a gentlemen who is gullible in thinking that the truth will sway Trump voters.  It will not.  We need to cut these people lose.  They are a stain on our country.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  PJ @2    2 weeks ago

Fortunately there are still 13 months to the election, and the Democratic candidate will have plenty of time to concentrate their energy on dismantling Trump.  It is slightly disturbing though to see Democrats talking about how they want to calibrate responses to Trump.  You have to go right at trash like him. 

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
2.1.1  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1    2 weeks ago

Trump has been dismantling himself from almost day one.  It won't take much effort on whoever goes up against him.

 
 
 
WallyW
2.1.2  WallyW  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1    2 weeks ago
You have to go right at trash like him. 

They've been going hard at him for 3 years now with no effect.

 
 
 
CB
2.1.3  CB   replied to  WallyW @2.1.2    2 weeks ago

Define: "No effect," please.

 
 
 
bugsy
2.1.4  bugsy  replied to  CB @2.1.3    2 weeks ago
Define: "No effect," please.

They have been trying for three years to impeach him...

Three years later, he is still your President.

 
 
 
CB
2.1.5  CB   replied to  bugsy @2.1.4    2 weeks ago

Your president, as in collectively. Yes. Trump is your president in your head - as in bowing, scrapping, and 'looking the other way.'

Trump has not been impeached yet (and he may or may not be ever). So don't get ahead of your skis. There is no stampede required in the process. Besides, it is not like you will accept Trump is guilty of anything as long as you and other prominent officials can 'scrape' (pun intended) together spin for it. It is a shame before God when liars and cheats, whomever they are, can't be removed from office in a timely manner. A damn crying shame. Perhaps, if we can't beat them - all of us should join in too?!

C'mon in the swamp is growing nicely, why don't cha.

Our lives are such fhit anymore because of all the corruption and stupid games people at the top play!  (Sigh.) We just get older, stupider, and broker as the 'experts' use our heads for propaganda and cassh-flow.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
3  seeder  JohnRussell    2 weeks ago

No one from the Trump white house would step forward to defend Trump on the Sunday morning news shows today.  Jake Tapper said at the start of his show that they asked for someone from the White House to speak on Trump's behalf in this crisis and no one would come forward. 

 
 
 
XDm9mm
3.1  XDm9mm  replied to  JohnRussell @3    2 weeks ago
No one from the Trump white house would step forward to defend Trump on the Sunday morning news shows today.

Defend against what exactly?  Innuendo, supposition, conjecture, rumor, speculation, vitriolic hatred, hearsay or a plethora of other adjectives to describe what many talking heads and pundits lodge against President Trump and his supporters on a daily basis?   

All that happens on a daily basis is President Trump has been successful accomplishing what he promised on the campaign trail and swatting away like annoying flies the bullshit thrown at him by the "resistance".

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
3.1.1  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  XDm9mm @3.1    2 weeks ago

His recent calls and public announcement that two other countries need to investigate Biden is hardly innuendo, supposition, conjecture, rumor, or speculation.

 
 
 
r.t..b...
3.1.2  r.t..b...  replied to  XDm9mm @3.1    2 weeks ago
swatting away like annoying flies the bullshit

If he didn't sit in his own excrement, there may be a point to be made.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
3.1.3  igknorantzrulz  replied to  XDm9mm @3.1    2 weeks ago
Defend against what exactly?  Innuendo, supposition, conjecture, rumor, speculation, vitriolic hatred, hearsay or a plethora of other adjectives to describe what many talking heads and pundits lodge against President Trump and his supporters on a daily basis?   

it's a good thing there is no concrete evidence of this being some ass's phalt, cause stress fractures have developed,

Xray visionless people who can't see through  how a  Led, vested with interests for only one, who could never be a leader,

more like another judge appointed cheater , appointed by 

 a pseudo sexual predator over achiever, who only wishes to be , the champion deceiver, as he lubes up his receiver s,  N  throws a pass out

to his pitcher in relief of his catcher,

who's also pitching a pup tent in the pussy grabbers pie whole uncut version of perversion,

cause Putin place,

is one who would not serve US, A loser who makes no attempt to preserve us,

artificial

intelligence is real          ingredient

for some, and basically               serves none

 
 
 
XDm9mm
3.1.4  XDm9mm  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @3.1.1    2 weeks ago
His recent calls and public announcement that two other countries need to investigate Biden is hardly innuendo, supposition, conjecture, rumor, or speculation.

And actually quite legal.   You are aware that we have treaties with other countries to investigate criminal activities and corruption.  Correct?

 
 
 
XDm9mm
3.1.5  XDm9mm  replied to  r.t..b... @3.1.2    2 weeks ago
If he didn't sit in his own excrement, there may be a point to be made.

"vitriolic hatred,"   What more needs to be said.  Thanks for the display.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
3.1.6  XDm9mm  replied to  igknorantzrulz @3.1.3    2 weeks ago
it's a good thing there is no concrete evidence of this being some ass's phalt, cause stress fractures have developed,

Xray visionless people who can't see through  how a  Led, vested with interests for only one, who could never be a leader,

more like another judge appointed cheater , appointed by 

 a pseudo sexual predator over achiever, who only wishes to be , the champion deceiver, as he lubes up his receiver s,  N  throws a pass out

to his pitcher in relief of his catcher,

who's also pitching a pup tent in the pussy grabbers pie whole uncut version of perversion,

cause Putin place,

I'm sorry, but my 'igknorantrulz' decoder ring has malfunctioned and I'm unable to translate that missive into English.

 
 
 
r.t..b...
3.1.7  r.t..b...  replied to  XDm9mm @3.1.5    2 weeks ago
What more needs to be said.

If only that were the case. 

 
 
 
r.t..b...
3.1.8  r.t..b...  replied to  XDm9mm @3.1.6    2 weeks ago
I'm unable to translate that missive into English

And yet, you seem to have no trouble deciphering the daily tweets.           "Ain't you tired?"

 
 
 
PJ
3.1.9  PJ  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @3.1.1    2 weeks ago

And they wonder why we don't want to engage them in discussion.  Total disregard for facts and reality. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
3.1.10  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  XDm9mm @3.1.4    2 weeks ago
 You are aware that we have treaties with other countries to investigate criminal activities and corruption.  Correct?

Not within our government. And Trump invited China to do the same. Sorry but no.

 
 
 
r.t..b...
3.1.11  r.t..b...  replied to  XDm9mm @3.1.4    2 weeks ago
we have treaties with other countries to investigate criminal activities and corruption.

Time for some reciprocity, no?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
3.1.12  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  XDm9mm @3.1    2 weeks ago
Innuendo, supposition, conjecture, rumor, speculation, vitriolic hatred, hearsay

The accusations against Trump are none of those things, which brings up the question,  -  why are you trying to bamboozle everyone? 

 
 
 
Greg Jones
3.1.13  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.12    2 weeks ago

Define bamboozle?  None of the allegations against Trump has withstood the probing and sharply focused spyglass of close scrutiny. All it has done is set fire to the torn fabric that remains of the Democrat party.

Everyone already knows how this will turn out.

It's likely that a few nervous Democrats in the House will become fearful of their reelection chances if they vote yes in a failed impeachment bid. They are more likely to risk the wrath of Pelosi and the far left lunatic fringes of the party and voting against impeachment.

It's very doubtful the Senate will vote to convict Trump, and then the Democrats will boldly stand out as political fools unable to govern, or even get rid of their nemesis.

It's past time for the House to have a formal vote on impeachment. Why the wait? All the evidence is in. Time to get on with it. What are they afraid of?

 
 
 
CB
3.1.14  CB   replied to  XDm9mm @3.1.4    2 weeks ago

Are you aware that we have campaign laws, violations, and penalties for soliciting foreign aid against a campaign opponent. Correct?

You are aware the President of the United States is the Law-in-Chief and should model the Rule of Law for the citizenry. Right?

Therefore, President Trump does not have the liberty to assert his personal whim and/or do as he sees fit in lieu of laws, violations, penalties, and Rule of Law.

The Rule of Law will play itself out on Donald J. Trump.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
3.1.15  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  CB @3.1.14    2 weeks ago

The Trumpsters game plan is to simply declare that Trump didnt do anything wrong and then cover their eyes and ears. 

Sad times for the United States of America. 

 
 
 
CB
3.1.16  CB   replied to  XDm9mm @3.1.5    2 weeks ago

Trump's potty mouth gives from the toilet that is his brain. Apparently Donald thinks we are all his children in need of his brand of paternal guidance. He's mistaken. We have not been children for a long time, and he is not the boss of us all!

 
 
 
MUVA
3.1.17  MUVA  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.15    2 weeks ago

Who are Trumpsters?

 
 
 
CB
3.1.18  CB   replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @3.1.10    2 weeks ago

We must keep pounding this fact into those who compel us to enter the alternative universe where Trump is being TRUMP .  This country has rules. This country has structure. This country has "efficiency" standards of quality control in governance.

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Source: https://twitter.com/EllenLWeintraub

 
 
 
CB
3.1.19  CB   replied to  Greg Jones @3.1.13    2 weeks ago

We all have to tread lightly around nervous, queasy, yellow-belly cowards in the Republican Party. The 'walking dead' in your party are now legion! Trump has singlehandedly frightened all republicans into towing the line, skullduggery, non-compliance with the laws republicans help write, and political slavery. I never thought I would see the day—historians will mock:

THE REPUBLICAN PARTY THAT ONCE WAS!

 
 
 
CB
3.1.20  CB   replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.15    2 weeks ago

Sad indeed. 300 plus million people 'whipped' and under the oppression of one man. — How we have fallen into the clutches of a deluded man who won't let us go of his own volition. Republicans! Hold us all fast in the grasp of a lying, cheating, madman. President G. Washington, President Lincoln, all the great congressmen and women who have passed on from this world: Groan loudly in your graves for us now! We are most miserable - we capitulated to a fake king at long last!

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
3.1.21  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  XDm9mm @3.1.4    2 weeks ago

If you think this is anything other than him asking to investigate a political opponent for his own gain, think again.  He doesn't give a shit about corruption in other countries unless he can use it to his advantage.  Why now and not when he first took office?  Maybe if he put more into being POTUS than he does tweeting and playing golf, he might have addressed this earlier on.

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
3.1.22  Freedom Warrior  replied to  CB @3.1.20    2 weeks ago

Now that is totally fucking out there I don’t mean out there I didn’t or is it out there like oh in a tubular sort away maybe I don’t know it’s just fucking out there.

 
 
 
CB
3.1.23  CB   replied to  Freedom Warrior @3.1.22    2 weeks ago

'King' supporters, ought to try saying something that can move the needle forward instead of standing still.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
3.1.24  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  XDm9mm @3.1.4    2 weeks ago

Yes we do and investigating corruption in those countries is not illegal, but it is illegal to solicit another country to interfere in our elections.   The head of the Federal Election Commission sent out a timely warning to politicians reminding them that it is illegal to accept information from a foreign national linked to an election in the U.S.  The notice from FEC Chair Ellen Wientraub came one after Trump told ABC News that he would accept dirt on his opponents in the 2020 election.

 
 
 
Ronin2
3.1.25  Ronin2  replied to  CB @3.1.14    2 weeks ago
Are you aware that we have campaign laws, violations, and penalties for soliciting foreign aid against a campaign opponent. Correct? You are aware the President of the United States is the Law-in-Chief and should model the Rule of Law for the citizenry. Right?

Where were those laws when Hillary and the DNC did it? 

Or is it OK to launch an investigation of an opponent using the federal government based on a paid for political slander piece? The Obama Administration sure as hell had no problem with doing it. Or using the state department to out Trump campaign officials.

So much BS.

Biden bragged about having the lead prosecutor in Ukraine fired by withholding a billion in aide. Fact

Biden said Obama backed him. Fact

The prosecutor that was fired was investigating the company that Biden's son Hunter worked for. Fact (Don't pull out the Ukraine said BS. These are the same corrupt assholes that Obama helped put in charge.  They are also the same assholes that worked to get information released to the press to damage Paul Manafort; and aid the Hillary campaign)

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/ukraine-sabotage-trump-backfire-233446

Ukrainian government officials tried to help Hillary Clinton and undermine Trump by publicly questioning his fitness for office. They also disseminated documents implicating a top Trump aide in corruption and suggested they were investigating the matter, only to back away after the election. And they helped Clinton’s allies research damaging information on Trump and his advisers, a Politico investigation found.

A Ukrainian-American operative who was consulting for the Democratic National Committee met with top officials in the Ukrainian Embassy in Washington in an effort to expose ties between Trump, top campaign aide Paul Manafort and Russia, according to people with direct knowledge of the situation.

The Ukrainian efforts had an impact in the race, helping to force Manafort’s resignation and advancing the narrative that Trump’s campaign was deeply connected to Ukraine’s foe to the east, Russia. But they were far less concerted or centrally directed than Russia’s alleged hacking and dissemination of Democratic emails.

Yet Politico’s investigation found evidence of Ukrainian government involvement in the race that appears to strain diplomatic protocol dictating that governments refrain from engaging in one another’s elections.

Biden needs to held accountable for interfering in Ukraine to help out his son. The left can't have it both ways. They can't use the federal government, and have their candidates soliciting help from foreign countries against a political opponent; and then cry wolf when Trump does it.

 
 
 
bugsy
3.1.26  bugsy  replied to  Ronin2 @3.1.25    2 weeks ago

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CB
3.1.27  CB   replied to  Ronin2 @3.1.25    2 weeks ago

th?id=OIP.QxOjBJOiqeiR9Sjq-qdRRQHaE7&w=2 President Trump can not violate U.S. Law in order to use it as a pretext for obeying law. End of argument.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
3.1.28  igknorantzrulz  replied to  CB @3.1.27    2 weeks ago

somebody oughta inform him

 
 
 
PJ
3.1.29  PJ  replied to  Ronin2 @3.1.25    2 weeks ago

Your argument and excuses for not holding this President and his Administration accountable is weak.  Stop measuring your standards by others and stand up for what you believe. 

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
3.1.30  igknorantzrulz  replied to  PJ @3.1.29    2 weeks ago

First, bugsy must innform him

 
 
 
PJ
3.1.31  PJ  replied to  igknorantzrulz @3.1.30    2 weeks ago

Aaaaah .....Bugsy.  My nemesis this week.  Well looks like any hope for reasonability just flew out the window.   jrSmiley_78_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
3.1.32  igknorantzrulz  replied to  PJ @3.1.31    2 weeks ago

I had some fun with him today.

Though he thought he was driving a short yellow bus to school, the one where i would always get my tongue stuck to the open window on,  while saying nah nah na nah nah, at my chauffer,  But i digress.

First time i have had a more in depth back and forth. Interesting, how he attempted to parse so many of my words, as that is my job, as i'll parse my own words Forewords, back words, inside words, n outside words, that all consist of 

letters

never written

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
3.1.33  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Ronin2 @3.1.25    2 weeks ago

Where were those laws when Hillary and the DNC did it?

Oh lord, another "the other guy did it, so it is okay for Trump to do it." excuse.jrSmiley_48_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
bugsy
3.1.34  bugsy  replied to  igknorantzrulz @3.1.32    2 weeks ago
I had some fun with him today.

You had no fun. You, and several other libs all got their asses handed to them by me all day, although I am expecting responses denying it. You almost have to save face.

It was definitely fun for me.

And easy.

 
 
 
katrix
3.1.35  katrix  replied to  bugsy @3.1.34    2 weeks ago
You, and several other libs all got their asses handed to them by me all day

Oh, that is hilarious.

There are people in here who can hand many Newstalkers their asses - you, however, are definitely not among them. Funny how those the brag the most are usually the ones who can least back it up.

 
 
 
bugsy
3.1.36  bugsy  replied to  katrix @3.1.35    2 weeks ago

I don't brag. I only speak the truth...every time.

Good day...

 
 
 
1stwarrior
4  1stwarrior    2 weeks ago

256

 
 
 
1stwarrior
5  1stwarrior    2 weeks ago

320

 
 
 
CB
5.1  CB   replied to  1stwarrior @5    2 weeks ago

Is this Biden in his own words, or some conservative 'hit' propaganda seeking to elicit "pop" emotions from voters? Inquiring minds want to know, who is behind this! We are SICK and TIRED of FAKERS!

I would encourage democrats, independents, and other organizations not to give 'gaslighters' more fuel by participating in lying, stupid, deceptive memes! Don't set the stage for a whataboutism in this election. Stick with the facts, and let gaslighters stand out for their deceptiveness!

 
 
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