Pat Robertson ‘Appalled’ By Trump: He ‘Allowed Khashoggi to Be Cut in Pieces,’ May Lose ‘The Mandate of Heaven’ Over Syria

  
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Pat Robertson ‘Appalled’ By Trump: He ‘Allowed Khashoggi to Be Cut in Pieces,’ May Lose ‘The Mandate of Heaven’ Over Syria
“The President, who allowed [Jamal] Khashoggi to be cut in pieces without any repercussions whatsoever, is now allowing the Christians and the Kurds to be massacred by the Turks.”

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Televangelist  Pat Robertson  has joined the  chorus of conservative critics  lambasting President  Donald Trump’s  decision to pull U.S. forces out of Northern Syria — endangering America’s Kurdish allies.

Trump was   slammed by many of his usual defenders   on Monday after the White House announced the U.S. will allow for a Turkish military operation in the war-torn region. Trump argued in a statement that Turkey will assume responsibility for all ISIS fighters captured in the region, many of whom were detained by Kurdish forces allied with America. The Turkish government views these Kurdish militias as terrorists — despite the U.S. supporting them in the fight against ISIS.

Trump   shot back   at his critics on Twitter by defending his position while promising that “if Turkey does anything that I, in my great and unmatched wisdom, consider to be off limits, I will totally destroy and obliterate the Economy of Turkey.”

Robertson said he was “absolutely appalled” by the announcement, warning that Turkish President   Recep Tayyip Erdoğan   is a “thug” and a “dictator.”

“To say he’s an ally of America is nonsense. He’s in for himself,” said the   700 Club   host. “The President, who allowed [ Jamal ]   Khashoggi   to be cut in pieces without any repercussions whatsoever, is now allowing the Christians and the Kurds to be massacred by the Turks.”

Robertson concluded by saying “The President of the United States is in danger of losing the mandate of Heaven if he permits this to happen.”

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JohnRussell
1  seeder  JohnRussell    2 months ago

This is disconcerting. Does this mean Trump is no longer a born again Christian? I fear for his immortal soul. 

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
1.1  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  JohnRussell @1    2 months ago
I fear for his immortal soul.

If there was anyone who displayed the complete lack of any human soul, it is Donald Trump.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
1.2  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  JohnRussell @1    2 months ago

What soul?

 
 
 
livefreeordie
1.3  livefreeordie  replied to  JohnRussell @1    2 months ago

salvation in Christ has nothing to do with a foreign policy action, nor did Robertson say so or even suggest it.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
1.3.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  livefreeordie @1.3    2 months ago

I have a question. Is the Mandate Of Heaven something Pat Robertson can give or take away ? 

Trump wants to know. 

 
 
 
livefreeordie
1.3.2  livefreeordie  replied to  JohnRussell @1.3.1    2 months ago

the Mandate of heaven isn't a Christian biblical term.  Some Christians like Robertson have misused it to say that Trump's presidency is annointed of God.  I love Pat and the last time we were together at a dinner over a decade ago I thought he was already losing his sharpness.  While he's right that the president is making a mistake in this decision, it has NOTHING to do God's approval or disapproval.

 
 
 
Krishna
1.3.3  Krishna  replied to  livefreeordie @1.3.2    2 months ago

God does not like Trump! (God told me that the last time we had dinner together!)

 
 
 
Larry Hampton
1.3.4  Larry Hampton  replied to  Krishna @1.3.3    2 months ago

Yup. Last time Jesus and I hit up the Starbucks, he was dissin' Trump and Roberts both. Said something about rippin' the Mandate up.

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.3.5  Tessylo  replied to  livefreeordie @1.3.2    2 months ago

'christians' like Robertson have always been a thorn in Jesus' side

Bedtime Story (S2E17)

Synopsis: The girls have guests coming into town so they reminisce about past bedtime experiences
 
80s Flashback
Rose: “I forgot to say my prayers.”
Dorothy: “Oh Rose, God wouldn't mind if you skipped a night. He's very busy these days. Most of his free time is spent talking to Pat Robertson.”

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
2  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom    2 months ago

We knew he would be throwing out a serious diversion at some point.  And on que, here it is.

 
 
 
CB
2.1  CB   replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @2    2 months ago

Yeah. Trump keeps 'situations' in abeyance until he can exploit or use as a misdirection.

 
 
 
Tacos!
3  Tacos!    2 months ago

He campaigned on stuff like this. Why is anyone surprised?

 
 
 
Dulay
3.1  Dulay  replied to  Tacos! @3    2 months ago
He campaigned on stuff like this. Why is anyone surprised?

I don't remember Trump campaigning on bailing on the Kurds. 

 
 
 
Ronin2
3.1.1  Ronin2  replied to  Dulay @3.1    2 months ago

What part of removing US troops from all foreign conflicts didn't you understand? 

You can thank the butt munches Bush Jr and Obama for this dumbass situation. We never should have been in Syria in the first place.

 
 
 
Dulay
3.1.2  Dulay  replied to  Ronin2 @3.1.1    2 months ago
What part of removing US troops from all foreign conflicts didn't you understand? 

The part that came right after Mexico would pay for the wall. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
3.1.3  Tessylo  replied to  Dulay @3.1.2    2 months ago

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JohnRussell
4  seeder  JohnRussell    2 months ago

Calling All Christians !

Is Trump facing eternal damnation because of this? 

 
 
 
livefreeordie
4.1  livefreeordie  replied to  JohnRussell @4    2 months ago
salvation in Christ has nothing to do with a foreign policy action, nor did Robertson say so or even suggest it.

 
 
 
Krishna
4.2  Krishna  replied to  JohnRussell @4    2 months ago
Is Trump facing eternal damnation because of this? 

Definitely.

I have personal knowledge that Jesus (Peace be Upon Him) has commanded that Trump burn in eternal Hellfire for all Eternity-- for all of his sins. Hellfire, Eternal Damnation-- the works!The lies.

Oh, The fornication! Etc. Lust, greed, etc. 

(A president cannot be condemned to Hell while still in office-- but after he's impeached and removed from office-- only then can a vengeful God strike! And he will!). 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
4.2.1  Trout Giggles  replied to  Krishna @4.2    2 months ago

Father Bob would say you don't get to sit in judgement.

But I like the way you think

 
 
 
Tessylo
4.2.2  Tessylo  replied to  Trout Giggles @4.2.1    2 months ago

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Those folks who sit in judgment are just the worst!

 
 
 
Kavika
5  Kavika     2 months ago

The devil made him do it. 

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JohnRussell
5.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Kavika @5    2 months ago

Good one Kavika. 

 
 
 
livefreeordie
5.2  livefreeordie  replied to  Kavika @5    2 months ago

In my opinion, the Democrats are the pawns of Satan

 
 
 
JohnRussell
5.2.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  livefreeordie @5.2    2 months ago

You were more believable when you were a hippie. 

 
 
 
Kavika
5.2.2  Kavika   replied to  livefreeordie @5.2    2 months ago
In my opinion, the Democrats are the pawns of Satan 

I thought that they were Commies and traitors. Now they are pawns of Satan....Multi-tasking are they?

 
 
 
livefreeordie
5.2.3  livefreeordie  replied to  JohnRussell @5.2.1    2 months ago

I'm still a hippie.  Surely you remember the Jesus movement of the 70s.  Plenty of us Christian hippies.

256

 
 
 
livefreeordie
5.2.4  livefreeordie  replied to  Kavika @5.2.2    2 months ago

same thing

 
 
 
Krishna
5.2.5  Krishna  replied to  JohnRussell @5.2.1    2 months ago

LOL!

 
 
 
Krishna
5.2.6  Krishna  replied to  livefreeordie @5.2    2 months ago
In my opinion, the Democrats are the pawns of Satan

I'm not in the least bit surprised (that you would think that).

Having many other bizarre thoughts lately?

Any unusual pounding in the head? Really bad headaches?

Hallucinations?

Strange dreams, perhaps?

 
 
 
livefreeordie
5.2.7  livefreeordie  replied to  Krishna @5.2.6    2 months ago

No, just following what Jesus gave us.  If you don’t serve God you are serving Satan

Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love Me, for  I proceeded forth and came from God;  nor have I come of Myself, but He sent Me. Why do you not understand My speech? Because you are not able to listen to My word. You are of your father the devil, and the  desires of your father you want to  do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and  does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it. But because I tell the truth, you do not believe Me. Which of you convicts Me of sin? And if I tell the truth, why do you not believe Me? He who is of God hears God’s words; therefore you do not hear, because you are not of God.”

John 8:42-47 

Jesus said “This is a war, and whoever is not on my side is against me, and whoever does not gather the spoils with me will be forever scattered.”   Luke 11:23 TPT

“But because the rest of you have forsaken the Lord and his Temple and worship gods of “Fate” and “Destiny,” therefore I will “destine” you to the sword, and your “fate” shall be a dark one; for when I called, you didn’t answer; when I spoke, you wouldn’t listen. You deliberately sinned before my very eyes, choosing to do what you know I despise. Therefore, the Lord God says: You shall starve, but my servants shall eat; you shall be thirsty while they drink; you shall be sad and ashamed, but they shall rejoice. You shall cry in sorrow and vexation and despair, while they sing for joy. Your name shall be a curse word among my people, for the Lord God will slay you and call his true servants by another name.”

Isaiah 65:11-15 TLB

 
 
 
katrix
5.2.8  katrix  replied to  Krishna @5.2.6    2 months ago

Speaking in tongues ... check. And I'm being serious.

 
 
 
katrix
5.2.9  katrix  replied to  livefreeordie @5.2    2 months ago
In my opinion, the Democrats are the pawns of Satan

Yet the Republicans support the most unethical, immoral, dishonest President in living memory. Oh, and the least religious.

Not sure that someone who claims to speak in tongues has judgment anyone should trust, however.

 
 
 
katrix
5.2.10  katrix  replied to  livefreeordie @5.2.7    2 months ago
If you don’t serve God you are serving Satan

I still don't quite see why you worship an evil god, who is a genocidal maniac, and despise Satan - who only killed a few people and that was at God's instigation. You have a very odd idea of what morality and evil are. God was pissed at a pharaoh but instead of smiting the pharaoh, God murdered all the firstborn male humans and animals. God let his fallen angels rape human women and instead of punishing the fallen angels, sent a flood to murder almost all humans and animals on the planet. God commanded its followers to rape and enslave virgin girls of their enemy tribes.

What did Satan ever do that was nearly as bad, anyway? You have two gods - and you worship the one that's incredibly evil, and hate the one who never did anything very bad.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
5.2.11  Trout Giggles  replied to  katrix @5.2.10    2 months ago
What did Satan ever do that was nearly as bad, anyway?

He told God to fuck off. That was basically it.

 
 
 
CB
5.2.12  CB   replied to  Trout Giggles @5.2.11    2 months ago

Gasp! TG - language ! My dear lady this is a certain indicator that you are angered by what you have read! Calm. Breath deeply. De-stress. jrSmiley_15_smiley_image.gif

My dearest friend. I would advice us mere mortals not to get in-between the 'split' between immortal beings. God has not 'been' to court and laid out a case. Anybody can be an accuser out of context using our limited understanding.

Indeed, some things about our world and its past are beyond our knowing - at least up to this point.

Let me end this way. Someone, I can't remember who I was reading, put it after this manner, were any one or all of humanity able to stand outside of time and space and stare at the height , depth , width , and length of time itself - our eyes we would see humanity's role in the universe, along with that of other creatures, on and off of Earth (if so), and simply say: "Yeah. So be it."

 
 
 
livefreeordie
5.2.13  livefreeordie  replied to  katrix @5.2.10    2 months ago

[ Deleted - personal attack and proselytizing ]

 
 
 
livefreeordie
5.2.14  livefreeordie  replied to  livefreeordie @5.2.13    2 months ago

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al Jizzerror
5.2.15  al Jizzerror  replied to  katrix @5.2.8    2 months ago
Speaking in tongues ... check.

I thought you said "tongue in cheek".

My bad.

800

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
5.2.16  al Jizzerror  replied to  katrix @5.2.10    2 months ago
You have two gods - and you worship the one that's incredibly evil, and hate the one who never did anything very bad.

The Old Testament God was a fucking asshole.

He allowed his Son to be crucified. 

Do you remember how he treated his most loyal follower, Job?

800

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
5.2.17  Trout Giggles  replied to  CB @5.2.12    2 months ago

Lucifer didn't say "better to rule in hell than serve in heaven"?

That's a kiss-off if you ask me.

To go off topic just a bit, do you have Amazon Prime Video? There's a really good show on there called "Good Omens". It's hilarious.

 
 
 
CB
5.2.18  CB   replied to  Trout Giggles @5.2.17    2 months ago
Lucifer didn't say "better to rule in hell than serve in heaven"?

Jeopardy for 400, Alex. "What is 'Paradise Lost?'"

I am caught up on the series - Good Omens. It is intelligent humor. Michal Sheen is quite interesting in a way I can not quite explain. Both lead actors' portrayals are stellar. Not sure I will keep Amazon Prime for Season 2 arrival (I have too much television in my life, in my opinion. One of the interestingly disturbing facts about getting old...er is I tend to let stuff hang around me longer as I decide about it!) I will have to choose my beloved Netflix or Amazon Prime. I shall like to keep both! Also, some of Prime is not extraordinary in my opinion.

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
5.2.19  al Jizzerror  replied to  Trout Giggles @5.2.17    2 months ago
Lucifer didn't say "better to rule in hell than serve in heaven"?

Many religious fanatics expect everyone to respect their invisible Friend.

When something bad happens they blame their invisible enemy (Satan) even though it's supposedly "God's will".

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
5.2.20  Trout Giggles  replied to  CB @5.2.18    2 months ago
"What is 'Paradise Lost?'"

Since that was a double jeopardy question, you doubled your winnings!

I didn't realize there was going to be a Season 2 for Good Omens. Can't wait!

 
 
 
CB
5.2.21  CB   replied to  Trout Giggles @5.2.20    2 months ago

The give-away about "Good Omens" is this: 1. In the listing it heading: Season 1. 2. In the last episode, Aziraphale mentions another apocalypse is coming: between Heaven and Hell vs. Humanity. He left the door open for it. Just in case!

NOTE : There is much talk however that the author Neil Gaiman is not expected to participate in another season .

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
5.2.22  Trout Giggles  replied to  CB @5.2.21    2 months ago

Hell and Heaven against Humanity? That oughta be good

 
 
 
Freefaller
5.2.23  Freefaller  replied to  livefreeordie @5.2.7    2 months ago
If you don’t serve God you are serving Satan

Or you're logically following available facts and evidence

Note I'm not saying you can't go with your emotions, feelings and opinions on this matter

 
 
 
Artie-3438207
5.2.24  Artie-3438207  replied to  livefreeordie @5.2.7    2 months ago
If you don’t serve God you are serving Satan

Anyone who doesn't share your religious beliefs is evil?

Tell me, why are children born malformed and diseased? Original Sin? Not genetic diversity, aka mutations, related to Biological Evolution?

Do you believe in the Immaculate Conception too? Really? <<giggle>> And Noah's Arc? I think there's another, err, much more likely explanation... 

Good to see you fellow mutants - you bring honor to our ancient ancestors!

I thought I'd drop by to see how everyone is doing, but it didn't take long to come across this judgmental self-righteousness spewing a heavy dose of scripture trolling. What a very dark trap - should be a warning label on the Bible.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
5.2.25  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  livefreeordie @5.2.7    2 months ago
If you don’t serve God you are serving Satan

If you completely read Isaiah you'll find a passage that states:  "I form the light; and create the darkness; I make peace and create evil; I, the lord do all these things (Isaiah 45:7) (emphasis mine)

So before you use your bible to condemn something as being "against god" you better know who "created" it.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
5.2.26  Trout Giggles  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @5.2.25    2 months ago
I make peace and create evil;

I knew it!

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
5.2.27  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  livefreeordie @5.2.3    2 months ago

Despite our differences, I think you are amazing looking.

 
 
 
NV-Robin6
5.2.28  NV-Robin6  replied to  Artie-3438207 @5.2.24    2 months ago

Our Artie from NV? Wow, I have wondered if you come here. How the heck are you?!

You've been sorely missed! As are the great NV participants.  I miss the way things used to be there. True intelligentsia!

I hope you stick here but you're right, it can be very dark here. 

 
 
 
Split Personality
5.2.29  Split Personality  replied to  Artie-3438207 @5.2.24    2 months ago

Welcome back Artie !!!

 
 
 
Tessylo
5.2.30  Tessylo  replied to  livefreeordie @5.2.3    2 months ago

Meh, you look way better with short hair.

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Krishna
5.3  Krishna  replied to  Kavika @5    2 months ago
The devil made him do it. 

Well, OK then-- perhaps h,e should get a lighter sentence.

Not burning in Hell for All Eternity-- maybe just for a few thousand years!

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
5.3.1  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Krishna @5.3    2 months ago

I vote chained to the furnace in the basement of Trump Towers for eternity. 

 
 
 
Kavika
6  Kavika     2 months ago

So Democrats are a pawn of Satan, Commies, and traitors.

I guess that applies to the democratic members of the military as well...Damn, a huge number of our service members are traitors, commies and pawns...We better get JAG on this ASAP. 

It's difficult at best to take your comments without falling down laughing. They are bizarre, to say the least.  

 
 
 
MUVA
6.1  MUVA  replied to  Kavika @6    2 months ago

Not a lot of operators or war fighters though not a dig just reality. 

 
 
 
Dulay
6.1.1  Dulay  replied to  MUVA @6.1    2 months ago
Not a lot of operators or war fighters though not a dig just reality. 

That's a strange comment considering the fact that every single one of the vets that ran as Democrats in 2018 WERE operatives or war fighters. 

 
 
 
MUVA
6.1.2  MUVA  replied to  Dulay @6.1.1    2 months ago

I work with these fighters  weekly I talk to seals and other special forces units this time of year on a daily basis as they get funding soon so we are working on their boats urging for the sake of it seems to be your MO. 

 
 
 
Tacos!
7  Tacos!    2 months ago

It cracks me up that the leftists on this site are 1) huge war hawks and 2) aligned with Pat Robertson. And all because they just hate Trump that much. When Obama wanted to bring troops home, y'all stood up and cheered. Now, if you want to bring home troops, you hate America or something.

 
 
 
Krishna
7.1  Krishna  replied to  Tacos! @7    2 months ago
Now, if you want to bring home troops, you hate America or something.

Trump's not "bringing home the troops." If he does this it a mere 2000 troop in Syria. 

If he really wanted to bring home the troops he'd bring home those in Afghanistan-- there are many thousands more there.

No, its not about bringing home te troops-- rather, its about kow-towing to hispuppet-master, Erdogan!

(he even admitted it to Steve bannon a while back-- sand explained why) 

 
 
 
Tacos!
7.1.1  Tacos!  replied to  Krishna @7.1    2 months ago
a mere 2000 troop

Tell that to their families.

 
 
 
Ronin2
7.1.3  Ronin2  replied to  Krishna @7.1    2 months ago

Yes, because the left and the chicken hawks were so open with Trump negotiating with the Taliban to get US forces out of Afghanistan./S

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/congress-grills-trump-admin-future-taliban-talks-us/story?id=65721689

Is it any wonder Trump kept the talks from Congress and the people. The chicken hawks are running wild.

 
 
 
CB
7.2  CB   replied to  Tacos! @7    2 months ago

Excuse you! I am not aligned with Pat Robertson. And it grits my teeth that this man would dare to invoke in a proper context the name of Jamal Khashoggi, if he has never done so before now, just because some fellows believers are going to be discomforted, injured, brutalized, and killed. Right is right at all times. Wrong is wrong at all times.

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
7.3  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Tacos! @7    2 months ago

What's the cost to bring those troops home Tacos?  60,000....100,000 Kurdish lives?  Lives of the allies whom spilled blood to reduce/eliminate ISIS?  The same ISIS that you worried about would start operating in the United States if not eliminated?

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
7.3.1  al Jizzerror  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @7.3    2 months ago
What's the cost to bring those troops home

They haven't come home.  The scuttlebutt is that they just been moved "in the region".

 
 
 
Tacos!
7.3.2  Tacos!  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @7.3    2 months ago

I don't understand what it is you think you want the US to do specifically. We went to Syria to kill ISIS, not to liberate the Kurdish people. Do you want us to create a new country or something? Kurds live in basically three different countries - Syria, Turkey, and Iraq. Are we supposed to go to war with all three of them?

 
 
 
Gordy327
8  Gordy327    2 months ago

Does anyone even care what Pat Robertson has to say? 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
8.1  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Gordy327 @8    2 months ago

No, but thanks for asking.

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
8.2  al Jizzerror  replied to  Gordy327 @8    2 months ago
Does anyone even care what Pat Robertson has to say? 

Pat Robertson once said his invisible Friend told him that Romney would win big in 2012.

Don't you find it amusing that "the Lord" lies to Pat Robertson.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
8.2.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  al Jizzerror @8.2    2 months ago

Dont be too down on him. He had a 50-50 chance (more or less) of being right . jrSmiley_55_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
8.2.2  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  JohnRussell @8.2.1    2 months ago

Actually, all kidding aside, I agree with him.

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
8.2.3  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  al Jizzerror @8.2    2 months ago
Don't you find it amusing that "the Lord" lies to Pat Robertson.

Ha!!

 
 
 
Krishna
8.2.4  Krishna  replied to  al Jizzerror @8.2    2 months ago
Don't you find it amusing that "the Lord" lies to Pat Robertson

Generally speaking, The Lord (Peace Be Upon Him) is pretty honest. 

But every once in a while (especially when dealing with a nutcase like Pat Robertson) his mischievous side surfaces-- The Lord (PBUH) definitely like to fool around once in a while-- doing a little innocent trolling as it were....

 
 
 
Krishna
8.2.5  Krishna  replied to  JohnRussell @8.2.1    2 months ago

Dont be too down on him. He had a 50-50 chance (more or less) of being right .

Good point. 

There's an old saying:

Even a stopped clcok is right twice a day!

(And if that doesn't apply to The Lord (PBUH)-- then who would it apply to?

 
 
 
Krishna
8.2.6  Krishna  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @8.2.2    2 months ago
Actually, all kidding aside, I agree with him.

Agree with who-- The Lord! (pbuh)

Well then all I can say is-- HALLELUJA!

 
 
 
Kathleen
8.3  Kathleen  replied to  Gordy327 @8    2 months ago

Nope.

 
 
 
Gordy327
8.3.1  Gordy327  replied to  Kathleen @8.3    2 months ago

Yeah, that's what I thought.

 
 
 
Kathleen
8.3.2  Kathleen  replied to  Gordy327 @8.3.1    2 months ago

I am sure you know how much I dislike tv preachers. I guess I always thought they were Atheists.  If you truly believe in God, you would not be scamming people now would you. : ) 

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
8.3.3  al Jizzerror  replied to  Kathleen @8.3.2    2 months ago
tv preachers. I guess I always thought they were Atheists.

You have just offended every atheist (like me).

Televangelists are religious hypocrites.

 
 
 
Kathleen
8.3.4  Kathleen  replied to  al Jizzerror @8.3.3    2 months ago

No, the offense was to the preacher. I am a agnostic myself. They only use religion for profit.  It is the perfect set up for them.  

So there are true believers that would never do this, and there are atheists that would not do this.

They know exactly what they are doing.

 
 
 
livefreeordie
8.3.5  livefreeordie  replied to  Kathleen @8.3.2    2 months ago

So where do you get your evidence to accuse EVERY minister who appears on television as “scamming” people?

have you audited their financial records?  Have records of indictments for fraud?

are there greedy, self serving people in ministry?  Yes and they have existed back to the first century church. Paul and Peter both addressed the existence of such people using the gospel for their own greed and lust.   But no rational person accuses everyone of such behavior, especially without ANY evidence.

why not just be honest about having animus towards Christians?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
8.3.6  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  livefreeordie @8.3.5    2 months ago

Where did she say "every" ? 

 
 
 
Kathleen
8.3.7  Kathleen  replied to  livefreeordie @8.3.5    2 months ago

So how about you explain to me how come they live in million dollar mansions, own expensive cars, own private jets and are worth millions. NOT from book sales, that is just their cover. 

I am sure Jesus would not approve of all their riches. 

I said tv preachers, not all preachers.

They are con men and women. They take advantage of people that have low self esteem and are having problems in life.

I have never had anything against Christians.

 
 
 
MUVA
8.3.8  MUVA  replied to  livefreeordie @8.3.5    2 months ago

I live in va beach Pat is a little slimy I have done business with his son we sold him a boat he paid  with a CBN check.

 
 
 
Gordy327
8.3.9  Gordy327  replied to  livefreeordie @8.3.5    2 months ago
So where do you get your evidence to accuse EVERY minister who appears on television as “scamming” people?

If they're not scamming people financially, they're scamming people mentally. 

But no rational person accuses everyone of such behavior, especially without ANY evidence.

No rational person would buy into whatever story or claim a preacher makes without evidence either!

why not just be honest about having animus towards Christians?

So now you're the one making accusations, eh? How ironic.

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
8.3.10  al Jizzerror  replied to  Gordy327 @8.3.9    2 months ago
If they're not scamming people financially

Jim and Tammy Faye were fucking hilarious unless you bought a timeshare.

800

 
 
 
livefreeordie
8.3.11  livefreeordie  replied to  JohnRussell @8.3.6    2 months ago

where did she say just some.  ALL is implied by the context of the sentence

 
 
 
livefreeordie
8.3.12  livefreeordie  replied to  Kathleen @8.3.7    2 months ago

I noted in my response that there are indeed greedy, self seeking people in ministry.  I've preached against them and the prosperity false gospel for decades and have confronted some personally in ministry gatherings over the years.

But not everyone who preaches on TV is self serving and greedy.  I know many who never take a penny for themselves, myself included.

In nearly 40 years of ministry including times I've been a guest minister on television, I've never taken a penny for myself, not even a salary as a pastor. I have self supported every day of my ministry and I know countless others who do the same.  In our own ministry, more than 95% of monies received go to help the needy here and in other countries.  The 5% is mostly for utilities and transportation to help the needy.

The few in the limelight give a bad image to the majority who would never engage in such behavior.

My comments were directed to you because all too often, a very broad paintbrush is applied to all Christian ministers that is very inaccurate.

 
 
 
CB
8.3.13  CB   replied to  livefreeordie @8.3.12    2 months ago

LFOD, I can not vouch for anything you have stated about yourself in this comment. I do like the tone you are striking, nevertheless. There are millions of good people doing excellent, superb, and immeasurably good works according to the Spirit in ministry. And, they must not be forgotten or forsaken, due to the liberties exerted by some highly successful "A-type" personalities, inclusive of italics.

No one can deny that mega-ministries bring with the good they do a reckoning. For laws have not kept up with mega-ministries notorious successes in resources and potential and ability to generate large-scale financial scandals. Unfortunately, the very success of such ministries eventually become "problematic" —even an enduring life-style issue around the neck of the pastors, staffs, and memberships. After all, leadership has inadvertently attached the hopes, dreams, and even the faith of many new members to the survival of such ministries. All of these issues are compounded when 'bad apples corrupt' themselves or are else wise become overtime unfit to lead such a great people as the Faithful.

 
 
 
livefreeordie
8.3.14  livefreeordie  replied to  CB @8.3.13    2 months ago

We are in rare agreement.

I'll share a story.  More than 10 years ago I was at a black tie ministry dinner honoring a couple of ministers including the founder of a global ministry aid group I am associated with.  Several US Senators, Christian celebrities like Pat Boone and Gavin McCleod, and many well known ministers were there.  I had as a guest with me the president of a tiny Asian nation who was also an ordained minister.  He wanted to meet Benny Hinn.  I knew Benny just well enough to volunteer an introduction.  I took my guest over and told one of Benny's security people who my guest was and that he wanted to meet Benny. I was informed Benny was not interested in meeting this man who had fought for his people's freedom in addition to being a minister.  I have never had any subsequent association with Benny Hinn and refuse to endorse his ministry.

The prosperity gospel has destroyed many lives, ministries, and marriages (including my own previous marriage).

But I will defend with all my being the countless ministries who labor with little or nor means of support purely to serve Christ and reflect His love and hope.

 
 
 
CB
8.3.15  CB   replied to  livefreeordie @8.3.14    2 months ago

I agree. This story is interesting, and though again I can not vouch for any of it, it is yours to recount as a memory. I have seen some of the men and women who dedicate themselves to the 'fierce' things of God and who 'toil' in the fields of this world, for treasure in Heaven. Two public figures come readily to my mind: Pastor Charles Stanley; former president Jimmy Carter. Both these men give off a seal of authenticity as they have expended themselves throughout decades of preaching, teaching, and being known as doing for others.Their humility goes before them to announce itself. NOTE: I state this about Pastor Stanley whom ministry I hear from on air from time to time, but I can not easily sat through his 'service.' -his optimistic dedication (to God) is awkwardly off-putting after a while. Still, there is the authenticity seal to consider.

 
 
 
Kathleen
8.3.16  Kathleen  replied to  livefreeordie @8.3.12    2 months ago

You have your opinion and I have mine about this subject.  Not everyone agrees or disagrees. 

I will leave it at that.

 
 
 
livefreeordie
8.3.17  livefreeordie  replied to  Kathleen @8.3.16    2 months ago

certainly. My only point is that a broad brush of indictment should never be made without at least some evidence to substantiate it.  Those ministries you rightly criticize are a small segment of tv ministries.  Most of the honest ones are only on local public or cable stations and those ministers often pay solely out of their own pockets (and willingly) to be on the air.

 
 
 
Kathleen
8.3.18  Kathleen  replied to  livefreeordie @8.3.17    2 months ago

You should keep that in mind when you make comments like you did at comment 5.2.

We should all not paint things with a broad brush.  So you have no room to say that to me.

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
8.3.19  al Jizzerror  replied to  Kathleen @8.3.18    2 months ago
We should all not paint things with a broad brush

I think he uses a fucking roller.

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
8.3.20  al Jizzerror  replied to  livefreeordie @8.3.17    2 months ago
Those ministries you rightly criticize are a small segment of tv ministries.  Most of the honest ones are only on local public or cable stations and those ministers often pay solely out of their own pockets (and willingly) to be on the air.

That sounds like BS to me.

BTW, do you believe that "God created man in his image"?

 
 
 
Gordy327
8.3.21  Gordy327  replied to  al Jizzerror @8.3.20    2 months ago

If God created man in his image (he didnt), does God have a bellybutton?  A penis?

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
8.3.22  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Gordy327 @8.3.21    2 months ago
If God created man in his image (he didnt), does God have a bellybutton?  A penis?

Man created God in his image, assigned "Him" a gender, but feigns ignorance as to whether God has a penis which would by our very terrestrial definition, make "Him" male. God is becoming just another vestigial body part for humanity, a once necessary part protecting us from the unknown with tales of fear, punishment and reprisal for breaking social norms, but now far more of a burden than it's worth as we have explored the world around us and can quell our fears with knowledge instead of relying on fantasy. Some, I'm sure, won't be able to stop relying on their vestigial fantasies to feel fulfilled, so religion will be with us for a long time to come, but its inevitable demise is almost guaranteed as it begins to crumble under its own weight.

 
 
 
Freefaller
8.3.23  Freefaller  replied to  Gordy327 @8.3.21    2 months ago
A penis?

Of course he did, how else could he rape Mary

 
 
 
Gordy327
8.3.24  Gordy327  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @8.3.22    2 months ago

What it boils down to is emotion. Religion and religious belief thrives on it, either through fear or as a comfort mechanism. 

 
 
 
Gordy327
8.3.25  Gordy327  replied to  Freefaller @8.3.23    2 months ago

Of course [slaps forehead]. How silly of me. Lol

 
 
 
livefreeordie
8.3.26  livefreeordie  replied to  Gordy327 @8.3.21    2 months ago

God the father is spirit and has no physical body.  Neither does God the Holy Spirit. God the Son, took on flesh and bone in the person of Jesus and lives eternally now with His resurrected body.

The Genesis passage refers to our being created as spiritual beings first, and physical beings secondarily.

These sarcastic comments from you atheists simply demonstrate how mentally deficient atheism is 

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
8.3.27  al Jizzerror  replied to  livefreeordie @8.3.26    2 months ago
The Genesis passage refers to our being created as spiritual beings first, and physical beings secondarily.

So I guess you're saying that God did NOT create man in His image.

I agree.

Man created God in his image.

 
 
 
Ender
8.3.28  Ender  replied to  al Jizzerror @8.3.27    2 months ago

Ah, that would explain white Jesus.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
8.3.29  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  livefreeordie @8.3.26    2 months ago
The Genesis passage refers to our being created as spiritual beings first, and physical beings secondarily.

What would people do if they didn't have you to interpret scripture for them? Oh yeah, they'd do what they've been doing for thousands of years, come up with their own interpretation just like you're doing which is why there are over 2,000 different Christian denominations. It's hard not to be sarcastic when those we are debating simply pull fantasy answers that support their position out of their fantasy asses with no empirical evidence to support a single word of their flowery magical narrative.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
8.3.30  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Ender @8.3.28    2 months ago
that would explain white Jesus.

If you look at all the Gods invented by man through the ages, nearly every one when visually depicted by their adherents, look just like the most idealized version of those who worship them. I don't think anyone can argue that at least when trying to create an image of their chosen deity, humans have definitely created their Gods in their own image.

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
8.3.31  al Jizzerror  replied to  Ender @8.3.28    2 months ago

Yep.

And the "great White Father".

800

 
 
 
Freefaller
8.3.32  Freefaller  replied to  al Jizzerror @8.3.27    2 months ago
Man created God in his image

I wish I could give that a hundred likes, I mean it's so obvious that everyone should be able to see it

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
8.3.33  al Jizzerror  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @8.3.30    2 months ago
humans have definitely created their Gods in their own image.

It's human nature - extreme egotism.

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
8.3.34  al Jizzerror  replied to  Freefaller @8.3.32    2 months ago
it's so obvious that everyone should be able to see it

Some people are blinded by the light. 

800

 
 
 
Gordy327
8.3.35  Gordy327  replied to  livefreeordie @8.3.26    2 months ago

That's nice. Prove it! Your ad hom attack aside, making claim's which you can't prove is intellectually lazy and/or dishonest.

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
8.3.36  al Jizzerror  replied to  Gordy327 @8.3.21    2 months ago
If God created man in his image (he didnt), does God have a bellybutton?  A penis?

If God created man in His image, shouldn't we be invisible?

 
 
 
Gordy327
8.3.37  Gordy327  replied to  al Jizzerror @8.3.36    2 months ago

Apparently, God didn't grant us superpowers.

 
 
 
CB
8.3.38  CB   replied to  Gordy327 @8.3.37    2 months ago

There is a reason why things are what they are. There is wisdom in growth and development. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
8.3.39  TᵢG  replied to  CB @8.3.38    2 months ago
There is a reason why things are what they are.

True, cause & effect is in place.   The question really is the root cause.    

There is wisdom in growth and development. 

Some believe they know things that they could not possibly know, such as a sentient root cause for all that exists.   Such is not wisdom.

 
 
 
CB
8.3.40  CB   replied to  TᵢG @8.3.39    2 months ago
There is a reason why things are what they are. There is wisdom in growth and development. 

What's there to criticize?

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
8.3.41  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  MUVA @8.3.8    2 months ago

What is a CBN check and did it bounce?

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
8.3.42  sandy-2021492  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @8.3.41    2 months ago

Christian Broadcasting Network.  MUVA is saying that Pat's son paid for aquatic toys with his business's money.

I guess he could have been boating to work?

Nah.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
8.3.43  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  livefreeordie @8.3.14    2 months ago

Have you ever heard of a minister by the name of Leroy Jenkins?  I had a really nasty encounter with him in 1972.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
8.3.44  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Gordy327 @8.3.21    2 months ago

I think only Mary has the answer to that.

 
 
 
freepress
9  freepress    2 months ago

Trump is as far from godly as imaginable. It is almost hilarious how the right wing hypocrisy flows like a mighty river. They decry foul language from "libtards" but never bother to even listen to his recent foul mouthed tirade at a taxpayer funded "rally" in Minnesota where he imitated sex noises by personally re-enacting his own twisted mind take over texts between two people no longer in government. It was beyond un-Presidential, it was absolutely obscene.

 
 
 
Dean Moriarty
9.1  Dean Moriarty  replied to  freepress @9    2 months ago

No he closely resembles Vidar the God of vengeance. Notice even the hair is similar. 

384

 
 
 
Gordy327
9.1.1  Gordy327  replied to  Dean Moriarty @9.1    2 months ago

Cool god. Lol

 
 
 
CB
9.1.2  CB   replied to  Dean Moriarty @9.1    2 months ago

Dean, please. Donald Trump abandoned people to die on the battlefield. And, we will pay the cost: You betcha!

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
9.1.3  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Gordy327 @9.1.1    2 months ago
Cool god. Lol

"The shootings followed the release of materials some have called a manifesto but that has more accurately been called a “media plan.” In it are multiple medieval references, several involving medieval Vikings, which these days function as a signal to white supremacists. Along with much else from the European medieval world, the Viking past is part of the far right’s standard visual and textual imaginary."

But far-right Viking medievalism is not about historical accuracy. Rather, it’s used to create narratives. So, to resist the medieval narratives that activate violent hate, we must create counternarratives — and to do that, we must understand the real Viking past and how it has been weaponized.

Despite the fact that real Viking history was multicultural, academic medieval studies have historically been to blame for the upholding of that imaginary past.

In the 19th century, Romantic German nationalism metastasized into the Völkish movement, which was interested in historical narratives that bolstered a white German nation state. The movement rewrote history, drawing on folklore such as that of Brothers Grimm, medieval epics and a dedication to racial white supremacy."

https://time.com/5569399/viking-history-white-nationalists/

I don't think there's any doubt about those who view Trump as some Viking God and why they revere him.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
9.1.4  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Dean Moriarty @9.1    2 months ago

The hands are too large.

 
 
 
Kathleen
10  Kathleen    2 months ago

I was trying to find a picture of Gandolf, that would be the look that most people would think God would look like.

 
 
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