Top Kurdish general: Watching over ISIS prisoners now a 'second priority'

  
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Top Kurdish general: Watching over ISIS prisoners now a 'second priority'
Gen. Mazloum Kobani, of the Syrian Democratic Forces, said his fighters have been shifted to the border ahead of an expected assault by the Turks.

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By   Courtney Kube and Mosheh Gains


Syrian opposition fighters assigned to guard thousands of ISIS captives are rushing to the border ahead of an expected attack by Turkish forces, a top Kurdish general told NBC News on Monday.

Gen. Mazloum Kobani, commander of the Syrian Democratic Forces, said watching over the ISIS prisoners locked up in Syria is a "second priority" now that the United States has cleared the way for a Turkish assault likely targeting the mostly Kurdish forces along the border.

"This is a very big problem," Kobani told NBC News. "Nobody has helped in this regard."

The detention centers hold 12,000 suspected terrorists swept up during the U.S.-led campaign against the Islamic State militant group's fighters in the region, according to Kobani and U.S. officials. Of the 12,000, 2,000 are foreign fighters, and Iraqis and Syrians make up the remaining 10,000, Pentagon officials say.

Kobani said fighters who were previously tasked with securing the detention facilities are now streaming toward the border in preparation for battle with the Turkish army.

"All their families are located in the border area," he said, speaking through a translator. "So they are forced to defend their families."

191007-syrian-democratic-forces-soldier- Members of the Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) gather at the al-Tanak oil field as they prepare to relaunch a military campaign against the Islamic State (IS) group, near Abu Kamal, province of Deir Ezzor, eastern Syria on May 1, 2018. Delil Souleiman / AFP - Getty Images file

Kobani spoke to NBC News just hours after the Trump administration announced that Turkey will soon launch its “long-planned operation” in northern Syrian and the U.S. won’t intervene. By withdrawing from the area, the U.S. will leave behind the SDF they have partnered with for several years, leaving them to fight Turkey alone.

“Honestly, it makes us disappointed,” Kobani said, adding that the decision hurts Syrian confidence in the U.S. and hurts American credibility.

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has long been threatening to invade northern Syria to attack the Syrian Kurds stationed near the border.

Erdogan views the Syrian Kurds, who make up the majority of the SDF, as terrorists who threaten the stability of his country. But the Pentagon has counted the well-trained Kurdish fighters as its most effective partner in the fight against ISIS.

As a result, U.S. military officials had been urging the White House not to abandon the Syrian Kurds under pressure from Turkey.


Kobani said the decision will surely cost the lives of fighters who had battled alongside American soldiers in vanquishing ISIS.

The Kurdish commander said he's now considering what would have been unthinkable a few years ago: partnering with Syrian leader Bashar Assad to fight the Turkish forces.

"This is one of the options that we have on the table," he said.

He said he is worried about the possible Turkish military action, and called on the American people to pressure President Donald Trump to help.

"The people who fought with you against international terrorism, against ISIS, are under risk right now and they are facing a big battle alone," he said.


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Perrie Halpern R.A.
1  seeder  Perrie Halpern R.A.    2 months ago

Nothing like not watching ISIS prisoners... until they return home.

 
 
 
WallyW
1.1  WallyW  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @1    2 months ago

So what if a few more American troops get killed the longer we stay there?

And for what purpose?

Can not some of our "allies" guard those prisoners?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
1.1.1  JohnRussell  replied to  WallyW @1.1    2 months ago

For years Trump went on and on about how Obama didnt take radical Islam terrorism seriously enough, and Obama was putting every American at risk bla bla bla. 

Now Trump is creating the possibility of thousands of terrorists being released or escaping from prison in Syria, and he is blase about it, and his fans are blase about it. 

You cant make this stuff up. 

 
 
 
MUVA
1.1.2  MUVA  replied to  WallyW @1.1    2 months ago

Yes they could.

 
 
 
WallyW
1.1.3  WallyW  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.1    2 months ago

Do you really think Syria and its Russian allies would allow the escape of these terrorists?

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
1.1.4  seeder  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  WallyW @1.1    2 months ago

Wally,

I am not sure what you are not getting. Our President gave the go ahead for this, fully knowing that the Kurds were watching thousands of ISIS prisoners there for US. He invited Turkey to a slaughter them and this is what Turkey does very well. But hey, what's a little genocide among friends, right?

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
1.1.5  seeder  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  WallyW @1.1.3    2 months ago
Do you really think Syria and its Russian allies would allow the escape of these terrorists?

Yes. Asad is holding barely, and they were there before we came there and for Russia, this is a win/win. The Russians will defend their border and we will get back all those wonderful ISIS fighters. And everything and everyone who died to get those crazies will have done it for nothing. 

 
 
 
XDm9mm
1.1.6  XDm9mm  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @1.1.5    2 months ago
The Russians will defend their border and we will get back all those wonderful ISIS fighters. And everything and everyone who died to get those crazies will have done it for nothing. 

You do realize don't you that Russia has it's own hate for ISIS and radical Muslim fundamentalists, right?

Now, I have one question I would like you to answer.

Had Obama not retreated from Iraq, permitting the exponential growth of ISIS (originally spawned by BUSH disarming and disbanding the Iraq military), forcing Obama to not only return to Iraq, but to expand our military presence into Syria, do you believe we would be in the situation we are in today?

 
 
 
r.t..b...
1.1.7  r.t..b...  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @1.1.5    2 months ago
will have done it for nothing.

No one can argue the international meddling in the Middle East has been anything less than a mess...for centuries. That does not mean we cut and run from our current obligations. Doing so only adds more fuel to an already combustible situation. The Kurds are fighting for their very existence and have been left to do so without our help...brought on by the actions of a singularly incompetent actor that has neither a sense of history in the region, nor a clue as to the ramifications of his acquiescence. The vacuum left by our withdrawal will be filled by a faction that has no concern for us and worse, will use the opportunity to further foment hate against us. No easy answers here, but this one could not be more dangerous.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
1.1.8  XDm9mm  replied to  r.t..b... @1.1.7    2 months ago
Had Obama not retreated from Iraq, permitting the exponential growth of ISIS (originally spawned by BUSH disarming and disbanding the Iraq military), forcing Obama to not only return to Iraq, but to expand our military presence into Syria, do you believe we would be in the situation we are in today?

I copied the above and am wondering if you might take the opportunity to provide an answer.

 
 
 
SteevieGee
1.1.9  SteevieGee  replied to  WallyW @1.1.3    2 months ago

Hey Wally, I just saw thousands of Muslims celebrating and firing their Kalashnikovs into the air.

 
 
 
r.t..b...
1.1.10  r.t..b...  replied to  XDm9mm @1.1.8    2 months ago
I copied the above and am wondering if you might take the opportunity to provide an answer.

Above my pay grade, 9mm. The history of our missteps in the region go further back than Obama and Bush. That does not make our abandonment of the Kurds any less a miscalculation, which was the context of my original post. None of us here has the answer, but there is a reason we build relationships with allies all over the world and a reason for concern when they are flippantly ignored. 

Probably not a satisfactory answer to your question, as not sure anything regarding the conundrum is satisfactory.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
1.1.11  XDm9mm  replied to  r.t..b... @1.1.10    2 months ago
but there is a reason we build relationships with allies all over the world and a reason for concern when they are flippantly ignored. 

We build relationships with allies as in nations who we can sign agreements with for trade and defense.  Please show me the ethnic group we have or can do that with.

I feel great sorrow for the Kurds.  I had the honor of working with a number of them when I was in another country on the Syrian border.  They are an exceptional people looking for nothing more than to be left alone with a place they can call home, much like the Israelis have a home, surrounded by people who essentially hate them for being nothing more than Jews.

Had Bush not screwed up, and had Obama not compounded that error, given time, there is a possibility that the Kurds could have gotten their home in the Northern Iraq, Southern Turkey, Western Syria region under UN auspices and then they too could be surrounded by people that hated them for being nothing more than Kurds.

 
 
 
r.t..b...
1.1.12  r.t..b...  replied to  XDm9mm @1.1.11    2 months ago
We build relationships with allies as in nations who we can sign agreements with for trade and defense.  Please show me the ethnic group we have or can do that with.

Our involvement with non-state actors is long and varied. The results of which are subject to debate. It is, however,  accepted across all fronts that our support of the Kurds, regardless of their standing as an independent state, is now compromised as a result of the potentially disastrous proclamation from one person and one person only.  

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
1.1.13  seeder  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  XDm9mm @1.1.6    2 months ago
You do realize don't you that Russia has it's own hate for ISIS and radical Muslim fundamentalists, right?

Russia only worries about Dagestan and in true Russian fashion, they have them under control. 

As for Obama, who knows. It's easy to play Monday Morning Quarterback. I do wish he hadn't drawn a red line that he wasn't willing to defend, but other than that, I don't see how that has to do with this. We are turning our backs on the very people who have secured the region for us. That is despicable. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
1.1.14  seeder  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  XDm9mm @1.1.11    2 months ago

But we are talking about here and now and not what can't be changed and being buddies with Turkey is never a good idea. Their history speaks for itself and the Kurds have been honorable and did the heavy lifting for us. This is the thanks they get. 

We keep saying never again, but we really don't mean it.

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
1.1.15  Freedom Warrior  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @1.1.4    2 months ago

 Gotta love all this phony Kurdish sentiment.

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
1.1.16  Freedom Warrior  replied to  WallyW @1.1    2 months ago

Personally I don’t even know why these ISIS types are still alive when the objective was to kill and destroy them.

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
1.1.17  al Jizzerror  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @1.1.13    2 months ago
As for Obama, who knows. It's easy to play Monday Morning Quarterback. I do wish he hadn't drawn a red line that he wasn't willing to defend

Obama made the mistake of asking Congress to consent to airstrikes.  Moscow Mitch blocked it.

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
1.1.18  FLYNAVY1  replied to  XDm9mm @1.1.6    2 months ago

What difference does it make other than for you to deflect?

The situation is the matter at hand.  Every administration back to Truman has a hand in the crap there in the middle east.  Trump's decision is just another in a long line of boneheaded moves in that part of the world.  It is in the here and now that we have to act for the benefit of ourselves and the world.  Giving Turkey the green light to wipe out the Kurds is not in our best interests.  

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
1.1.19  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Freedom Warrior @1.1.15    2 months ago

Just for the record, my sentiment for the Kurds is real!

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
1.1.20  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Freedom Warrior @1.1.16    2 months ago

Personally I don’t even know why these ISIS types are still alive when the objective was to kill and destroy them.

Best guess...... Because you're not there to supervise their execution....

 
 
 
JBB
1.1.21  JBB  replied to  Freedom Warrior @1.1.16    2 months ago

Because it is a war crime and a crime against humanity to summarily execute captured enemy combatants (Prisoners of War) and that would make the coalition fighting ISIS just as reprehensible, deplorable and uncivilized as ISIS is in the world's eyes. Even Hitler did not just execute American POWs. 

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
1.1.22  FLYNAVY1  replied to  JBB @1.1.21    2 months ago

Not quite JBB.... Look up the Malmendy massacre during the "Battle of the Bulge" where 84 American POWs were executed.

Hitler ordered the battle to be carried out with a brutality more common on the Eastern Front, in order to frighten the enemy. [2] Sepp Dietrich confirmed this during the war crimes trial after the war ended. [4] According to one source, during the briefings before the operation, Peiper stated that no quarter was to be granted, no prisoners taken, and no pity shown towards Belgian civilians. [4]

 
 
 
JBB
1.1.23  JBB  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @1.1.22    2 months ago

Okay then, Hitler did execute American POWs. In that case, doing the same thing as Hitler would only make the coalition fighting ISIS as bad as Hitler butt not worse than Hitler. That would make it much much better /S...

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
1.1.24  FLYNAVY1  replied to  JBB @1.1.23    2 months ago

Now we're aligned!   This is such a stain on America now.

 
 
 
Krishna
1.1.25  Krishna  replied to  WallyW @1.1.3    2 months ago
Do you really think Syria and its Russian allies would allow the escape of these terrorists?

Do you really think Assad's regime has that much control over Syria? Of all of Syria?

Especially of the parts controlled by the Kurds?

 
 
 
Krishna
1.1.26  Krishna  replied to  XDm9mm @1.1.6    2 months ago
Had Obama not retreated from Iraq, permitting the exponential growth of ISIS (originally spawned by BUSH disarming and disbanding the Iraq military), forcing Obama to not only return to Iraq, but to expand our military presence into Syria, do you believe we would be in the situation we are in today?

I have always found it to be more than a bit hypocritical when conservatives bash Obama's withdrawal--- but obsessively defend it when Trump does it!

(And if you don't think they are obsessively defending it when Trump just did it, just read more comments here on NT! In fact, some of the arguments used to defend Trump's action are really ridiculous).

"Hypocrisy" is an understatement . . . 

 
 
 
Texan1211
1.1.27  Texan1211  replied to  Krishna @1.1.26    2 months ago
I have always found it to be more than a bit hypocritical when conservatives bash Obama's withdrawal--- but obsessively defend it when Trump does it!

So, the same as when liberals cheered Obama on and now complain when Trump does it?

THAT kind of hypocrisy?

It goes both ways.

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
1.1.28  Freedom Warrior  replied to  JBB @1.1.21    2 months ago

No it isn't.  That's nonsense. Take no prisoners.  Solves the problem.

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
1.1.29  Freedom Warrior  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @1.1.19    2 months ago

I don't buy it.  

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
1.1.30  seeder  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Freedom Warrior @1.1.29    2 months ago

What don't you buy? There are over 10,000 ISIS high priority prisoners now not being watched since the Kurds now must battle it out with Turkey on their own. What do you think will do when they get out? You don't think they will return home and reak havoc? Be real here. These are human monsters.

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
1.1.31  al Jizzerror  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @1.1.30    2 months ago
These are human monsters.

ISIS documented many of their atrocities.

Here's a video of them throwing a homosexual off of a building.

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
1.1.32  Freedom Warrior  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @1.1.30    2 months ago

 So you agree with me naturally 

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
1.1.33  al Jizzerror  replied to  Freedom Warrior @1.1.28    2 months ago
Take no prisoners.  Solves the problem.

You are advocating a war crime.

I guess that's why you worship The Donald.

800

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
1.1.34  Freedom Warrior  replied to  al Jizzerror @1.1.33    2 months ago

 No such thing as a war crime unless you consider every war a crime.

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
1.1.35  al Jizzerror  replied to  Freedom Warrior @1.1.34    2 months ago
 No such thing as a war crime unless you consider every war a crime.

So I guess you're saying the Holocaust wasn't a fucking war crime.

You would have been an excellent Nazi.

800

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
1.1.36  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Freedom Warrior @1.1.29    2 months ago

Those without moral currency wouldn't FW.  Armchair Rambo types that have never had to review the rules of the Geneva Convention, or had it explained to them their obligation to disobey an illegal order under the UCMJ wouldn't buy it. 

That's why the Geneva Convention was adopted by our military.  It is why the UCMJ is taught to everyone in uniform along with specific sections of the US Constitution.  It is on these three documents that rests the foundation of our military's mindset.  Have those morals been broken from time to time, sure.  But for the most part, they have held together for the better part of 70-years. 

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
1.1.37  Freedom Warrior  replied to  al Jizzerror @1.1.35    2 months ago

You don't seem to have a firm grasp of history.

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
1.1.38  Freedom Warrior  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @1.1.36    2 months ago

I'm sure all those dead really give a fuck about that.

 
 
 
Ronin2
1.1.39  Ronin2  replied to  Krishna @1.1.26    2 months ago

Ok, I am a conservative (fiscal only) and I never bashed Obama for withdrawing. I bashed him when he went back into Iraq to resupply, retrain, and provide air support for a country whose government is loyal to Iran.

Iran, who has their trained militias roaming all over Iraq. The US air force provided air cover for them as well.

Obama didn't renegotiate the SOFA that Bush signed. So US forces on could still be tried in Iraq courts. Which is one of the major reasons we withdrew them in the first place.

That is truly stuck on stupid foreign policy.

 
 
 
Ronin2
1.1.40  Ronin2  replied to  al Jizzerror @1.1.33    2 months ago

So is extra judicial drone killings in countries that we are not at war with. Yet not one peep out of the left or media for Obama's use all over the world. Including the killing of two US citizens w/o trial.

Guess he wasn't keen on taking prisoners either.

 
 
 
Krishna
1.1.41  Krishna  replied to  WallyW @1.1    2 months ago
Can not some of our "allies" guard those prisoners?

Syria is a horrendous war zone *and that's even before the Turkish invasion). .

Getting in would be risking large numbers of troops lives.

 
 
 
Krishna
1.1.42  Krishna  replied to  XDm9mm @1.1.8    2 months ago
Had Obama not retreated from Iraq,

Well while you're going back in history, why not blame the colonial powers?

The French:  they created the artificial country of Syria-- drawing the line that put groups that hated in other in the same country!

Ditto Iraq (but that was by the British colonialists.Creating an artificial new country consisting of Sunni Arabs, Shia Arabs, and Kurds-- none of whom got along! 

 
 
 
Krishna
1.1.43  Krishna  replied to  Texan1211 @1.1.27    2 months ago
t goes both ways.

I agree.

Which shows the stupidity of people who spend hours on social media sites trying to blame one side (even more true in the Middle east BTW).

Trying to convince readers where to place blame -- instead of having an objective discussion.

And perish forbid we should even attempt to discuss possible solutions!

Nope-- let's just sit around pointing fingers at "the other side".that goes back in history, rather than the current rulers of the area.

 
 
 
Krishna
1.1.44  Krishna  replied to  r.t..b... @1.1.10    2 months ago
The history of our missteps in the region go further back than Obama and Bush.

Most of the people I've seen on social media don't know much of any history before,say, Bush. Well, maybe Clinton.

Its as if there was no history in the Middle East-- well, not before recent political figures that know-- so they can blame them for the mess in the Middle East. (Most users of social media are obsessed with politics-- the main reason they log on is to make arguments blaming "the other party" for the mess).

Sometimes I wonder if they actually know there was a history in the area..before Bush and Clinton!

(Oh well-- I suppose they think their ignorance is bliss...?)

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
1.1.45  al Jizzerror  replied to  Ronin2 @1.1.39    2 months ago
Ok, I am a conservative (fiscal only) and I never bashed Obama for withdrawing.

How about Trump's yuuuge deficit?

Clinton balanced the budget and had the four largest budget surpluses in U.S. history.

Obama reduced the deficit he inherited. 

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
1.1.46  al Jizzerror  replied to  Krishna @1.1.44    2 months ago
Its as if there was no history in the Middle East-

Iran hates us because the CIA installed the Shah.  It was all about the oil.

 
 
 
CB
1.1.47  CB   replied to  JBB @1.1.21    2 months ago

Also, there is the hope that they will not utterly destroy any captured prisoners of war in their care.

 
 
 
CB
1.1.48  CB   replied to  WallyW @1.1    2 months ago

What means this "allies" in quotes? Are you suggesting that we should be looking askance at our allies (without quotes)? Just how much military strategic commonsense is being expended on this by the Trump Administration?

 
 
 
CB
1.1.49  CB   replied to  Krishna @1.1.26    2 months ago

The conservatives 'marching' in lock-step with Donald Trump the coward who wouldn't defend a solid war effort unless it politically landed in his lap, is ridiculous. I have read some ignorant crap from our 'frenemies' the Trump conservatives, but this so-call 'support' for the American president's "wisdom" is beneath the pail. Any fool can see that you do not reward those who bond with your forces in the trenches with abandonment in their time of need—over politics and coin of the realm. The world is watching the United States lose the only thing that truly made it exceptional in the history of the world: It's independence streak.  Donald Trump is no friend to the oppressed and underdog!

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
1.1.50  Freedom Warrior  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @1.1.36    2 months ago

Maybe we should have you hand out speeding tickets at the Indianapolis 500

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
1.1.51  Vic Eldred  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @1.1.4    2 months ago
He invited Turkey to a slaughter them

Turkey was going to invade northern Syria despite what anybody wants. The President issued warnings of sanctions. I'm not happy about the situation but Trump didn't invite a Turkish invasion:

"Earlier this year, Turkey said it will go ahead with its military offensive against Kurdish militias in northeastern Syria regardless of whether the U.S. withdraws its troops from the country."

cnbc.com/2019/10/07/turkey-to-move-ahead-with-planned-military-operation-in-north-syria-us-says.html

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
1.1.52  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  WallyW @1.1    2 months ago
Can not some of our "allies" guard those prisoners?

They could.  Doesn't mean they will.  Just like in Iraq, Afghanistan and virtually every other NATO or UN endeavor, the United States bears the brunt of the combat operations.  Then when we step back everybody wants to cry.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
1.1.53  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.1    2 months ago
Now Trump is creating the possibility of thousands of terrorists being released or escaping from prison in Syria

Where else have we seen this before?  Oh yea, when Obama pulled everybody out of Iraq for one of his so called "accomplishments" to end the war.  Then we ended up back in Iraq and he added Syria.

 
 
 
CB
1.1.54  CB   replied to  WallyW @1.1    2 months ago

So, why did the United States decide (and the Kurds) put 'out' to guard terrorists in the first place? What is or was our motivations?

 
 
 
Nerm_L
1.2  Nerm_L  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @1    2 months ago
Nothing like not watching ISIS prisoners... until they return home.

Europe and NATO had enough warning to mobilize its own military forces for deployment to Syria to guard the ISIS prisoners.  And European NATO troops would provide the same political protection for the Kurds as does the presence of US troops.  Where is Europe?  Where is NATO?  Why is this the responsibility of only the United States?

Turkey is dragging NATO into Syria whether Europe likes it or not.  Turkey's incursion into northern Syria hasn't been sanctioned by anyone; Turkey's incursion is illegal.  And Turkey conducting military operations inside Syria may result in a direct confrontation between NATO and Russia.

The Kurds do not seem so squeamish that they would allow the ISIS prisoners to simply leave.  Once Turkey begins actual combat, the ISIS prisoners may simply become casualties of war.

 
 
 
Krishna
1.2.1  Krishna  replied to  Nerm_L @1.2    2 months ago
Turkey is dragging NATO into Syria

Link?

 
 
 
Krishna
1.2.2  Krishna  replied to  Nerm_L @1.2    2 months ago
The Kurds do not seem so squeamish that they would allow the ISIS prisoners to simply leave.

Given the fact that Turkey is about to commit genocide on the Kurds...why should it surprise you if guarding the prisons are no longer a top priority-- and that the Kurds won't hang around to continue to guard them as the barbaric Turkish forces advance?

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
1.2.3  seeder  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Nerm_L @1.2    2 months ago
The Kurds do not seem so squeamish that they would allow the ISIS prisoners to simply leave.  Once Turkey begins actual combat, the ISIS prisoners may simply become casualties of war.

The Kurds are in a battle for their lives and we already know that they are not watching the prisoners. As for the ISIS prisoners, you seem to forget that Turkey actually gave them money, so I doubt anything but freedom will happen to them. 

 
 
 
Nerm_L
1.2.4  Nerm_L  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @1.2.3    2 months ago
he Kurds are in a battle for their lives and we already know that they are not watching the prisoners. As for the ISIS prisoners, you seem to forget that Turkey actually gave them money, so I doubt anything but freedom will happen to them. 

Or mass graves.  The Kurds were fighting ISIS before the United States entered the picture.  The Kurds did not join the United States in the fight; the United States joined the Kurds.  And keep in mind that Turkey has been an ally of the United States in the fight against ISIS, too.

I seriously doubt Turkey has given money to ISIS.  Turkey has been subjected to more terrorist attacks from ISIS than any other European country.  And, yes, Turkey is a European country because it is a member of NATO, has been a member of the European Economic Community, and is trying to become a member of the European Union.

Remember that Europe pressed Turkey to control the refugee flotillas from Turkey to Greece, open refugee camps on its border for Syrian refugees, and do more to stop the flow of refugees migrating into Europe.  Turkey was Europe's solution for illegal immigration.  And Erdogan has threatened Europe with closing the refugee camps and opening the gates for more refugee migration into Europe.  Europe is protecting its own self interest by turning a blind eye on Turkey's incursion into northern Syria to attack the Kurds.

If the United States confronts Turkey and the flow of refugees increases, who will Europe blame?  Europe will be pressing the United States to remove Assad, end the civil war, and stop the flow of refugees.  But that will put the United States in direct conflict with Russia.  Europe has set the stage for another little dirty war just as they did in Vietnam.  The United States doesn't need to fight another Vietnam.

 
 
 
Krishna
1.2.5  Krishna  replied to  Nerm_L @1.2    2 months ago
Europe and NATO had enough warning to mobilize its own military forces for deployment to Syria to guard the ISIS prisoners.

No they did not!

Trump was on the phone with Erdogan, got off with his mind made up and issued the orders to withdraw. There are plenty of articles you can find about even his supporters, top Brass in the Pentagon, being taken by surprise! (I won't waste time posting links to that-- there are plenty of them-- from CNN to Fox!)

 
 
 
Krishna
1.2.6  Krishna  replied to  Nerm_L @1.2.4    2 months ago
And keep in mind that Turkey has been an ally of the United States in the fight against ISIS, too.

That's partly true-- and partly false.

Initially Turkey supported ISIS (because they were fellow Sunni and Assad, the ruler of neighbouring Syria) was a Shia. . Turkey gave money to ISIS, but perhaps more importantly they keep their southern border (Syria and iraq) open-- that's how most foreign ISIS recruits entered.

At the time I was wondering when ISIS would start to "bite the hand that feeds it" (because despite Turkey's support of ISIS, ISIS was so extreme-- so totally crazy actually-- that they didn't think Turkey was extreme enough).

And them sure enough-- ISIS made the mistake of attacking Turkey.

 
 
 
CB
1.2.7  CB   replied to  Nerm_L @1.2    2 months ago
Why is this the responsibility of only the United States?

Because this nation can not be 'Leader of the free world' from afar unless it stands in the gap where the world can see and respect it. If we can not stand in the gap; it won't take other nations, any other nation, long to realize the saying, "we can do bad all by ourselves." Then, at some time after our status is diminished and other nations liaison with agreements that exclude (or look past U.S.) us, where will be the 'big-mouth' conservatives then wanting to pony up and peddle wealth for control over international decision-making? If you are not "in-charge" - you have no direct right to speak to what other nations do!

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
1.2.8  Freedom Warrior  replied to  CB @1.2.7    2 months ago

Well that narrative is straight out of the globalist neocon war mongering dustbin

 
 
 
CB
1.2.9  CB   replied to  Freedom Warrior @1.2.8    2 months ago

If you are not "in-charge" - you have no direct right to speak to what other nations do! You can pretend Trump is some model of "guardian for peace" all you want. 'Everything' the man touches dies eventually: with one hand this monster gives and with the other hand it taketh away. You will do well to process this and understand it.

Donald Trump has not entered into any war yet, because it has not 'profited' him to do so. However, given a second-term (if not next year), given that he has 'tasted' blood through a proxy nation (Turkey), we are left to wonder who will acquire (purchase) our services at a cost on the "global" market.

This incident is a demonstration of the 'first-act' of betrayal. It has been called that by the people who are about to suffer. It came without warning and it is harbinger to other nations not willing to 'play ball' with Trump, the way he throws. This is Trump's version of taking his ball and going home.

This disgusting man, left them 'high and dry' on the battlefield. Why? Because Trump is not bonded to nothing that he can not cash.

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
1.2.10  Freedom Warrior  replied to  CB @1.2.9    2 months ago

Do you really think rehashing that same old argument is going to make any difference

 
 
 
CB
1.2.11  CB   replied to  Freedom Warrior @1.2.10    2 months ago

What I really think is you are repeatedly supplying 'fluff' as a substitute for discussion.

 
 
 
Krishna
2  Krishna    2 months ago

So one of the consequences of Trump's actions will be that thousands of ISIS prisoners will be released....

 
 
 
Ronin2
2.1  Ronin2  replied to  Krishna @2    2 months ago

More likely killed. 

What, you think the Kurd are going to release 12,000 fighters to attack their rear? Please.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
2.1.1  seeder  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Ronin2 @2.1    2 months ago

The Kurds are now in for the fight of their life. What are you not getting? Turkey commits genocide. They are going to kill all the regional Kurds. Now tell me what would you do if your families were going to get killed? Fight those who are going to kill you, or watch ISIS terrorists?

 
 
 
XDm9mm
2.1.2  XDm9mm  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.1.1    2 months ago
The Kurds are now in for the fight of their life.

Quite honestly, it's nothing new.  They are effectively the Jews of the 21st Century.  They were being slaughtered by the Turks and Iraqis for doing nothing more than being Kurds.

 
 
 
SteevieGee
2.1.3  SteevieGee  replied to  XDm9mm @2.1.2    2 months ago

So... If the Kurds are the new Jews, does that make Trump the new Hitler?

 
 
 
Ronin2
2.1.4  Ronin2  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.1.1    2 months ago
The Kurds are now in for the fight of their life. What are you not getting? Turkey commits genocide. They are going to kill all the regional Kurds.

They are? Have they killed the 15 million or so that are in Turkey? I must have missed that genocide.

Now tell me what would you do if your families were going to get killed? Fight those who are going to kill you, or watch ISIS terrorists?

The last ones to the front are going to kill the ISIS/ISIL prisoners under their care before they go. Or do you think they are just going to release a hostile military force of 12,000 that can rearm and attack them from the rear while they are engaged with Turkish forces?

Here is what everyone is missing. We are in Syria illegally. I am shocked that the Syrian government hasn't told us to take a hike and stop invading their air space yet. They should be pressing the issue in the UN and world court. This is not a NATO action we are a part of; and we don't have a single UN Security Council Resolution to stand on. Pretty sure the US war on terror doesn't mean a whole hell of a lot tot the Syrians, Russians, Chinese, and Iranians.

Does Syria want Turkey to invade northern Syria? Better still does Russia; who has already had problems with Turkey shooting down one of the fighter planes? Russia has a military base, air field, and port in Syria. They have a vested interest in seeing Syria whole and Assad in charge.

We are not the only actors on the stage. If the world wants to protect the Kurds they can damn well do it. Where is the EU, NATO, and UN during all of this? Or is the whole damn planet expecting the US to do all of the heavy lifting yet again. This time with no legal leg to stand on if things go south.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
2.1.5  XDm9mm  replied to  SteevieGee @2.1.3    2 months ago
So... If the Kurds are the new Jews, does that make Trump the new Hitler?

Please explain how in your thought process you're equating Trump by withdrawing our forces to Hitler who ordered the slaughter of 11 million people.

This should be good.

 
 
 
Ronin2
2.1.6  Ronin2  replied to  Ronin2 @2.1.4    2 months ago

Guess the Syrians have already asked the US and Turkish forces to leave.

https://www.newsweek.com/syria-thank-russia-iran-china-1444679

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
2.1.7  seeder  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  XDm9mm @2.1.2    2 months ago
Quite honestly, it's nothing new.  They are effectively the Jews of the 21st Century.  They were being slaughtered by the Turks and Iraqis for doing nothing more than being Kurds.

I guess that would have been your same attitude about the Jews, too. 

Well, apparently East Germany is wasting no time. 

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
2.1.8  Thrawn 31  replied to  Ronin2 @2.1    2 months ago

Yep, while they go north to fight the Turks. They said that is what they will do, and with the US completely abandoning them that is the most logical choice. 

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
2.1.9  Thrawn 31  replied to  XDm9mm @2.1.2    2 months ago

Glad Trump has given the green light for that to continue. 

 
 
 
Krishna
2.1.10  Krishna  replied to  XDm9mm @2.1.2    2 months ago

Quite honestly, it's nothing new.  They are effectively the Jews of the 21st Century.  They were being slaughtered by the Turks and Iraqis for doing nothing more than being Kurds.

OK you convinced me.

Since they've been persecuted before its OK for our President to collude with their extermination by removing troops that had the role of stopping the Turks.

(Shince we're at it, let's see to it that the Arab countries surrounding israel have the means to exterminate the Jews-- after all they've been persecuted before throughout history. Perhaps give the Arabs nukes-- that might help overcome the IDF's superiority.?)

 
 
 
Krishna
2.1.11  Krishna  replied to  Ronin2 @2.1    2 months ago
What, you think the Kurd are going to release 12,000 fighters to attack their rear?

Attack with what? newly released prisoners don't have weapons!

And in any event, they would be in no shape to attack battle hardened Kurds.

 
 
 
CB
2.1.12  CB   replied to  SteevieGee @2.1.3    2 months ago

It makes Trump what he has always wanted to be - an absolutist. Donald Trump, the dreamer, who follows no one else's counsel, for long.

 
 
 
CB
2.1.13  CB   replied to  Thrawn 31 @2.1.9    2 months ago

And Trump is a military mind when? You do realize that those ISIS prisoners are still citizens in the twisted politics of their own nations? It is not permissible to slaughter foreign fighters wholesale!

 
 
 
PJ
2.2  PJ  replied to  Krishna @2    2 months ago

Agreed, that will be one of the possible outcomes that "somebody" in their great and unmatched wisdom didn't consider.  Perhaps if Trump would discuss his plans with those who have much more wisdom in these areas the country would avoid many of these utterly stupid and unwise decisions coming to fruition. 

We are where we are because of his supporters and the republican leadership.  

 
 
 
Ronin2
2.2.1  Ronin2  replied to  PJ @2.2    2 months ago

Perhaps if Bush Jr would have discussed all of the ramifications and aftermath of invading Iraq; instead of maintaining the embargo and no fly zone. We wouldn't be in this situation.

Perhaps if Obama would have discussed sending US troops into Syria, and US air craft into Syrian air space on bombing runs under the guise of the war on terror; w/o getting backup from NATO or a UN Security Council resolution. We wouldn't be in this situation.

We are here because of the two previous butt munch administrations and their supporters.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
2.2.2  seeder  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Ronin2 @2.2.1    2 months ago

No, we are there because of ISIS and their potential danger they are to US. You can blame Afganastan on the other presidents, but not this. And strangely, we are still in Afghanistan but pulling out from the one people who had our backs. Disgusting.

 
 
 
Krishna
2.2.3  Krishna  replied to  Ronin2 @2.2.1    2 months ago

Perhaps if Bush Jr . . . 

Perhaps if Obama. .

If, if, if.... 

There's an old saying:

If my grandmother had a wheel and two handles-- she's be a wheelbarrow!

If!

 
 
 
Krishna
2.2.4  Krishna  replied to  Krishna @2.2.3    2 months ago

I went to college in North Carolina. We used to drink a lot of beer and sit around and get very philosophical. 

Actually, I've done similar things with Yankees (Northernersd) as well.

But there was an interesting difference-- amny Southerners are obsessed with discussing that particular "if"-- what if the South has won the war?

At first the discussion was interesting-- but it seemed like it never stopped. 

It got boring after a while-- I decided it was a total waste of time.

(P.S; Ever wonder what it would be like if Mike Dikakis won the election? That should be good for a ten hour block of you time to discuss jrSmiley_10_smiley_image.gif )

 
 
 
MUVA
2.2.5  MUVA  replied to  Krishna @2.2.4    2 months ago

When you are drinking you only think you are being philosophical. 

 
 
 
Krishna
2.2.6  Krishna  replied to  MUVA @2.2.5    2 months ago
When you are drinking you only think you are being philosophical.

How do you know what I am like when you never met me?

Do you always assume you know what people are like when you've never met them?

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
2.2.7  al Jizzerror  replied to  Krishna @2.2.4    2 months ago
I went to college in North Carolina. We used to drink a lot of beer

I attended UNC Chapel Hill.  We led the league in beer consumption.  Playboy had an annual piece about the biggest drinkers in the NCAA.  Carolina always won until Playboy retired us from the "competition" because they considered us professional drinkers.

800

 
 
 
MUVA
2.2.8  MUVA  replied to  Krishna @2.2.6    2 months ago

It is called a joke I was joking.

 
 
 
CB
2.2.9  CB   replied to  Ronin2 @2.2.1    2 months ago

You are here in this situation because of an impulsive president who thinks he has something to gain by portraying fake leadership in a moment when the whole world is watching him squirm. Consider the meaning of this expression: "Wag the dog."

 
 
 
Krishna
2.2.10  Krishna  replied to  al Jizzerror @2.2.7    2 months ago
I attended UNC Chapel Hill.

A fellow Tar Heel!

Remember Silent Sam?

 
 
 
Krishna
2.2.11  Krishna  replied to  al Jizzerror @2.2.7    2 months ago
I attended UNC Chapel Hill.  We led the league in beer consumption.

I drank a lot of beer there as well. 

But then I got involved in other activities  (along with some friends such as John Dunne and Karen Parker )

 
 
 
1stwarrior
2.2.12  1stwarrior  replied to  Krishna @2.2.11    2 months ago

You mean the former (many years ago) Bishop of Canterbury?

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
2.3  Thrawn 31  replied to  Krishna @2    2 months ago

But ISIS is completely defeated...

 
 
 
MUVA
2.3.1  MUVA  replied to  Thrawn 31 @2.3    2 months ago

The caliphate. 

 
 
 
Krishna
2.3.2  Krishna  replied to  MUVA @2.3.1    2 months ago
The caliphate. 

The Grand Dutchy of Fenwick!

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
2.4  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Krishna @2    2 months ago
So one of the consequences of Trump's actions will be that thousands of ISIS prisoners will be released....

We'll give him the same punishment Obama got when the same thing happened in Iraq.

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
3  al Jizzerror    2 months ago

Trump will use his "great and unmatched wisdumb" to deal with Erdogan.

800

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
3.1  seeder  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  al Jizzerror @3    2 months ago

Now that is spot on. 1.5 million Armenians killed by Turkey. The Holocaust was based on their genocide. We say never again, and then let it happen all over again. 

 
 
 
Krishna
3.1.1  Krishna  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @3.1    2 months ago
Now that is spot on. 1.5 million Armenians killed by Turkey. The Holocaust was based on their genocide. We say never again, and then let it happen all over again. 

Yes but don't forget-- Trump is sincere in wanting  to remove troops-- because he wants to "stop the endless wars in the Middle East"

Trump admin sending thousands more troops to Saudi Arabia

Dan De Luce and Courtney Kube

9 hrs ago

Defense Secretary   Mark Esper    ordered the deployment of 3,000 service members, two fighter squadrons, one air expeditionary wing, two Patriot Missile batteries and one THAAD missile defense system, Pentagon spokesperson Jonathan Hoffman said.  https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/trump-admin-sending-thousands-more-troops-to-saudi-arabia/ar-AAIDNjl

 
 
 
Krishna
3.1.2  Krishna  replied to  Krishna @3.1.1    2 months ago

Trump admin sending thousands more troops to Saudi Arabia

Hat tip: Kavika

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
3.2  Thrawn 31  replied to  al Jizzerror @3    2 months ago

As accurate as it gets.

Trump has signed off on a genocide. Of course he doesn't care, n ot like he has a "tower" in northern Syria.

 
 
 
Krishna
3.2.1  Krishna  replied to  Thrawn 31 @3.2    2 months ago

Trump has signed off on a genocide. Of course he doesn't care, n ot like he has a "tower" in northern Syria.

Well there used to be a really big tower in Iraq (but Trump never got to buy it!)

The Tower of Babylon (AKA "The Tower of Babble")

Babylon was a key kingdom in ancient Mesopotamia from the 18th to 6th centuries BC. The name-giving capital city was built on the Euphrates river and divided in equal parts along its left and right banks, with steep embankments to contain the river's seasonal floods. Babylon was originally a small Akkadian town dating from the period of the Akkadian Empire c. 2300 BCE.

Mesopotamia-- that's current day Iraq for all you home gamers.

 
 
 
Tacos!
4  Tacos!    2 months ago

1000 Americans were supposed to stop the Turkish army? How? By waving the flag? No, it would have to be by risking their lives. If Turkey wants to advance on Kurdish positions, they're going to do it and the only thing that's going to stop them is a shooting war with the United States. People act like our little band of troops is bullet proof or something.

And as to Turkey being intimidated by the mere presence of American troops, that doesn't seem to be the case. It Turkey is advancing, they are doing it while our people are still there. It takes time to pack up and leave. It's not like Trump makes the announcement and then the Enterprise beams them all out from space.

 
 
 
It Is ME
4.1  It Is ME  replied to  Tacos! @4    2 months ago
It's not like Trump makes the announcement and then the Enterprise beams them all out from space.

OMG….say it ain't so ! jrSmiley_97_smiley_image.gifjrSmiley_18_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Krishna
4.1.1  Krishna  replied to  It Is ME @4.1    2 months ago
OMG….say it ain't so !

OK--mit ain't so.

That was a totally stupid comment...

 
 
 
It Is ME
4.1.2  It Is ME  replied to  Krishna @4.1.1    2 months ago
That was a totally stupid comment...

It's a good thing I don't say things like that to you. You'd have a bigger meltdown ! jrSmiley_98_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
CB
4.2  CB   replied to  Tacos! @4    2 months ago
People act like our little band of troops is bullet proof or something.

Not bullet-proof. Safe-guarded by the U.S. A. brand. However, if the brand shows itself to be compromised, and subject to debate. . . all bets are all.

 
 
 
Tacos!
4.2.1  Tacos!  replied to  CB @4.2    2 months ago
Safe-guarded by the U.S. A. brand.

That's really not what we were doing there, though. We were arming and training them to kill ISIS, not to create the independent state of Kurdistan.

What's more, the Kurds took advantage of the chaos of the Syrian civil war to advance into new territory. This is territory they could not have taken or held on to just a few years ago. Now, thanks to our arms and training, they have more of a shot at protecting themselves than they would have before we were there. That doesn't go away just because we are moving what is basically an advisory contingent.

If we can continue to help the Kurds in some way, that's fine, but I see no reason to commit American troops to an actual battle in a conflict that has been waged for generations already.

 
 
 
CB
4.2.2  CB   replied to  Tacos! @4.2.1    2 months ago

I'm sorry, how did this 'trade up' to a deal on escalation? Donald Trump, a brand management sort, simply removed our 'brand' from the field in a deliberate attempt to let all hell break loose. It is a deadly distraction from his domestic problems. An attempt to move the press and the House off his 'case.'  It is an deadly wag the dog event.

 
 
 
Tacos!
4.2.3  Tacos!  replied to  CB @4.2.2    2 months ago
I'm sorry, how did this 'trade up' to a deal on escalation?

You can't just assume an American presence - no matter how small - will make everything hunky dory. You have to be willing to consider the consequences of making a stand. Someone might call your bluff. Then what?

It's apparent that Turkey was going to do what they are doing regardless of the presence of our little band of advisors. It's nice to think of the American brand has having some influence, and it certainly does, but it's not a magic wand. You aren't going to just wave the flag and get everyone to behave the way you want.

Just look at what's happening now. America has actually expressed its disapproval and objections to Turkey's actions. Do they give a shit? Clearly they don't.

So would it help to have people there to back up our words? Maybe. But do you think we need to have 100 or 1000 actual human beings on the ground in a particular spot in Syria or Turkey to respond militarily? Of course not!

In the face of advancing tanks and artillery, what would those few Americans on the ground accomplish? Do you want them to lay down in the desert and dare the tanks to drive over them?

If we do want to respond militarily, I would actually prefer to have our boots-on-the-ground somewhere else so they aren't punished for the damage done by our missiles and bombs.

 
 
 
CB
4.2.4  CB   replied to  Tacos! @4.2.3    2 months ago
So would it help to have people there to back up our words? Maybe.

Yes, it would. Did the Turkish president call the American president to set the stage for the withdrawal of our 'special forces' personnel? Why did the Turkish president deem it smart to do so? Please elaborate.

Why did our president capitulate to the Turkish president?

What would the Turkish president have done (feel at liberty to speculate) if the "amazing" - the U.S. military is better equipped than any other military in the history of the world bar none - president had told the 'other guy president' to stand down?

NOTE: THIS is not the scene I am looking for, but you can glean the pattern from the "Edo God" confrontation with Picard from Star Trek: The Next Generation: (First several scenes.)

According to Trump, this nation of ours could simply put a "fear of god" in the Turkish president.

 
 
 
Tacos!
4.2.5  Tacos!  replied to  CB @4.2.4    2 months ago

Turkey publicly announced they would do this back in January and they said they would do it whether or not American troops were still in the area.

Why did our president capitulate to the Turkish president?

What would you like him to do and on what grounds based in international treaty and law? Turkey is invading Syria, who doesn't seem too broken up about it. Syria is not asking for our help. Turkey has been a military ally - by treaty - of the United States for 65 years. We had forces in Syria to kill ISIS - something everybody can get behind. But now that's over. On what basis would we have military forces in Syria for the purpose of fighting Turkish forces?

The whole point of this is to get the Syrian Kurds to ask for help from the Syrian government, which they are already doing. That will allow Syrian forces to peacefully reenter territory they left behind to fight their civil war. That's how the Kurds were able to establish control in that area. Now, they will have to cede control back to the Syrian government. How can we possibly insist that a sovereign nation give up a significant portion of its land? Would there be any international support for that position? I very much doubt it.

 
 
 
CB
4.2.6  CB   replied to  Tacos! @4.2.5    2 months ago
Why did our president capitulate to the Turkish president?

Because Donald Trump is a coward. That's why. You can't bring yourself to say so I say it for you. Donald Trump abandoned the Kurds to die on a shared battlefield. The world is watching it and will hate him for it. Citizens of this country will be informed of it and hate him for it. Our defense department has come face to face with dishonor on the battlefield and will hate him for it. ISIS is being released and scattering across the battlefield looking for sanctuary - they will hate him too. Emphatically.

And you can't bring yourself to criticize your lying, U.S. president who is about to be impeached because he puts his personal interests above our national security. What Donald Trump gives with one hand, he steadily takes back with the other hand. Trump the

th?id=OGC.34cd9ee6a4da3bb432372b76cf7a7e .

 
 
 
Tacos!
4.2.7  Tacos!  replied to  CB @4.2.6    2 months ago

So you're literally asking and answering your own questions now. You can leave me out of that game. If you want to talk to yourself, don't use my name.

 
 
 
CB
4.2.8  CB   replied to  Tacos! @4.2.7    2 months ago
You can leave me out of that game. If you want to talk to yourself, don't use my name.

That is so funny!  200.webp?cid=790b76115b1e982c9174ccd4cd4

 
 
 
MUVA
5  MUVA    2 months ago

It isn’t a thousand that are embedded it is more like 150.

 
 
 
Tacos!
5.1  Tacos!  replied to  MUVA @5    2 months ago
more like 150

Even better. They must 150 magic super-powered soldiers to bring so much stability and security to such a large area all by their lonesomes.

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
5.1.1  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Tacos! @5.1    2 months ago
It was working all the way up until Trump ordered the pullout now wasn't it?
A uniformed person wearing an American Flag on his shoulder carries quite a bit of weight.  The reason for why you can't grasp that is beyond explanation.

 
 
 
Krishna
5.1.2  Krishna  replied to  Tacos! @5.1    2 months ago
Even better. They must 150 magic super-powered soldiers to bring so much stability and security to such a large area all by their lonesomes.

So you actually believe Turks would fire into an area where there were American troops?

 
 
 
Tacos!
5.1.3  Tacos!  replied to  Krishna @5.1.2    2 months ago

What makes you think American troops were in the places where the Turks are firing?

 
 
 
lady in black
5.1.4  lady in black  replied to  Tacos! @5.1.3    2 months ago

https://news.yahoo.com/1-explosion-near-u-military-203732143.html

UPDATE 3-U.S. troops in Syria came under fire from Turkish positions -Pentagon "

The explosion occurred within a few hundred meters of a location outside the Security Mechanism zone and in an area known by the Turks to have U.S. forces present," Navy Captain Brook DeWalt, a Pentagon spokesman, said in a statement.

 
 
 
Tacos!
5.1.5  Tacos!  replied to  lady in black @5.1.4    2 months ago

So, what you're saying is that the Turks did or would fire on American positions? Then either 1) nobody in Washington cares that Turkey is firing on Americans or 2) They didn't or 3) What American troops were or are doing is irrelevant to the whole thing.

 
 
 
lady in black
5.1.6  lady in black  replied to  Tacos! @5.1.5    2 months ago

It is a FACT that they DID fire on a position where American troops were.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
5.1.7  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Tacos! @5.1.3    2 months ago

If there are, it is not like Trump gives a shit about their survival.

 
 
 
Tacos!
5.1.8  Tacos!  replied to  lady in black @5.1.6    2 months ago

You expect me to believe that Americans were fired on and did not return fire? Are they dead?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
6  JohnRussell    2 months ago
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Robert De Niro
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Here's video of Trump attending the grand opening of Trump Tower in Turkey. Ivanka even thanked Erdogan on Twitter for this deal. Gonna say it loud and clear: TRUMP IS SELLING OUT KURDISH LIVES FOR A FUCKING HOTEL!
 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
6.1  seeder  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  JohnRussell @6    2 months ago

Gotta agree with that.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
6.2  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  JohnRussell @6    2 months ago

According to an article on my MSN home page, it has begun and there are reports that civilians have died.  What does Trump do?  He shrugs.

 
 
 
Krishna
6.2.1  Krishna  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @6.2    2 months ago
What does Trump do?  He shrugs.

Actually, Neo-Con that he is,  he's done more than just shrug:

US To Send 3,000 Troops To Saudi Arabiia.

The new deployment means that, since May, the US has sent an additional 14,000 members of the armed forces into the region.

(That's because he "wants to end the endless wars in the Middle East")

 
 
 
MrFrost
7  MrFrost    2 months ago

Nice to see trump rehydrating ISIS. /s

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
7.1  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  MrFrost @7    2 months ago

With what there is to be sure, an insurgence in activity by ISIS, we are going to see a bloodbath as never before.  Sleeper cells here are going to activate and attack. 

 
 
 
MrFrost
7.1.1  MrFrost  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @7.1    2 months ago

They will want their revenge. 

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
7.2  Freedom Warrior  replied to  MrFrost @7    2 months ago

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pat wilson
8  pat wilson    2 months ago

His latest quote "the Kurds didn't help us during World War ll ". 

He seriously said that !!! This can't go on.

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
8.1  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  pat wilson @8    2 months ago
"the Kurds didn't help us during World War ll ".

What a creep of a person he is.

 
 
 
Kavika
8.2  Kavika   replied to  pat wilson @8    2 months ago

How fucking stupid can he be? Turkey didn't help us in WWII either...They symbolically joined the Allies in Feb. 1945 and NEVER participated in armed conflict.  The Kurds were not a country in WWII they  were be suppressed by Turkey.

What Turkey did do was fight AGAINST us in WWI...He might want to discuss Turkey in WWI with the Aussies and Kiwis.  

The ignoramus doesn't understand that the US and Brits fucked the Kurds at the end of WWI...

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
8.2.1  seeder  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Kavika @8.2    2 months ago

Obviously, history is not his strong suit. 

 
 
 
Kavika
8.2.2  Kavika   replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @8.2.1    2 months ago
Obviously, history is not his strong suit. 

Of course there is that little genocide that the Turks were involved in. It's called the Armenia Genocide. The Turks were pretty busy during WWI. Fighting the Allied forces and committing genocide against  the Armenians.  

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
8.2.3  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Kavika @8.2    2 months ago

A draft dodger coming down on them for not participating.jrSmiley_10_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
8.2.4  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @8.2.1    2 months ago

Either is math, geography, and grammar.

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
8.2.5  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @8.2.1    2 months ago

What exactly is Trump's strong suit?

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
8.2.6  sandy-2021492  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @8.2.5    2 months ago

Bloviation.

 
 
 
JBB
8.2.7  JBB  replied to  sandy-2021492 @8.2.6    2 months ago

Dont forget vulgarity. He mastered that at military school,..

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
8.2.8  al Jizzerror  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @8.2.5    2 months ago
Trump's strong suit?

Lying?

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
8.2.9  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @8.2.5    2 months ago

He does wear nice ties.

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
8.2.10  al Jizzerror  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @8.2.9    2 months ago
nice ties.

Made in China.

Remember his hypocritical "made in America" horseshit?

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
8.2.11  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  al Jizzerror @8.2.10    2 months ago

I know but I thought I would say something close to being nice.  The reason they are so long is that they act as a directional pointer for his dick so that he can find it.

 
 
 
CB
8.2.12  CB   replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @8.2.1    2 months ago

Going forward, when we elect our leaders, we have to start taking a long clarifying look at their strong suits. It can not be simply the coin of the realm. For a single focus on coin will yield corruption in every other area of a person's constitution.

 
 
 
CB
8.2.13  CB   replied to  FLYNAVY1 @8.2.5    2 months ago

Trump. Period.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
8.3  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  pat wilson @8    2 months ago

When he dodged the draft, he didn't help us either.  What a pos.

 
 
 
Krishna
8.4  Krishna  replied to  pat wilson @8    2 months ago
His latest quote "the Kurds didn't help us during World War ll ". 

And beyond that-- he actually said they didn't help us at the Normandy landing.

Check out these two links. 

Amazing stupidity-- even for our Bone-Spur Challenged leader,

 
 
 
JohnRussell
9  JohnRussell    2 months ago

There was an apologist for Trump on Fox News earlier tonight, I didnt catch his name. He said that the situation Turkey is going through , with worries about border security , is near and dear to Trump's heart because he worries about U.S. border security in a similar way as Turkey worries about it's borders. 

True story. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
9.1  seeder  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  JohnRussell @9    2 months ago

Now I have heard it all. That is not their land. That belongs to another country and they are trying to make it theirs. I believe there is a word for that...."Lebensraum". If you are unsure where to reference that... Look up Nazi Germany.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
9.1.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @9.1    2 months ago

The idea is that Trump has sympathy for Turkey because Turkey is allegedly worried about invaders across their borders the same way Trump says the US is worried about invaders across our border. 

I never thought about that until I saw this guy say it , but it sounds plausible given Trumps thinking. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
9.1.2  JohnRussell  replied to  JohnRussell @9.1.1    2 months ago

I still like the explanation that Trump doesnt want to rock the boat with his Turkish benefactors.  The twin Trump Towers in Istanbul are said to be the flagships of all his European properties, and Turks visit trump hotels more per capita than any other nationality group. 

 
 
 
Kavika
9.1.3  Kavika   replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @9.1    2 months ago
Lebensraum

Oh yeah, the old Nazi scam of ''living space''...

 
 
 
Kavika
9.1.4  Kavika   replied to  JohnRussell @9.1.1    2 months ago

Wow, now that really is a load of crap....The Kurds have never violated the Turkish border. The problem with that excuse is that Turkey allowed thousands of ISIS fighters to cross their country into Syria. 

So much for that load of bullshit.

 
 
 
Kavika
9.1.5  Kavika   replied to  JohnRussell @9.1.2    2 months ago
“If Turkey does anything that I, in my great and unmatched wisdom, consider to be off limits, I will totally destroy and obliterate the Economy of Turkey,” he tweeted. 

Here is your chance with all your unmatched wisdom, but wait it's only a bunch of Kurds being killed. That can't compare to the Trump Hotel in Istanbul.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
9.1.6  seeder  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Kavika @9.1.4    2 months ago
 
 
 
Kavika
9.1.7  Kavika   replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @9.1.6    2 months ago

Good point seems that thousands of ISIS fighters made their way through Turkey to join and fight with ISIS...

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
9.1.8  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Kavika @9.1.7    2 months ago

Thanks to Trump, thousands more will now.

 
 
 
CB
9.2  CB   replied to  JohnRussell @9    2 months ago

It's an absolutist thing. Emphatically.

 
 
 
pat wilson
10  pat wilson    2 months ago

This is just appalling.

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
11  Thrawn 31    2 months ago

Possibly the hugest fuck up in foreign policy history? You know dip shit would own it because of one word. 

Seriously though, it sickens me to see us abandon the Kurds like that. Sure we gave them support and munitions and never saw a penny back, but they supplied the blood. They were the ones on the ground dying for OUR  joint cause. 

But abandoning them like a spineless coward is Trump's MO. Trump is, through and through, a spineless coward. 

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
12  al Jizzerror    2 months ago

800

Yep.  That's Erdogan's picture at the bottom.

Erdogan's banner was at the top of Trump Towers during construction.

800

Donald Trump's longtime business connections in Turkey back in the spotlight

The president's decision to remove troops from Northern Syria has put renewed focus on his relationship with Turkish President Erdogan.
_____________

“I have a little conflict of interest because I have a major, major building in Istanbul,” Trump said in 2015. “It’s a tremendously successful job. It’s called Trump Towers — two towers, instead of one, not the usual one, it’s two,” Trump said in an interview with Stephen Bannon, then chairman of Breitbart News.

A lawsuit filed by 29 senators and 186 House Democrats — one of three lawsuits that have alleged that Trump is in violation of the Constitution’s emoluments clauses, which bar the president from receiving monetary or other benefits of value from foreign or U.S. state entities while in office — claims that Turkey has among the highest number of foreign business ventures in which Trump is at least a partial owner, with 119 listed. Others include China, with 115, and the Philippines, with 121.

Businesses linked to the Turkish government are also major patrons of the Trump Organization. Turkish officials have made 14 visits to Trump properties, more than any other country , according to an analysis performed for NBC News by Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington, or CREW.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/trump-impeachment-inquiry/donald-trump-s-longtime-business-connections-turkey-back-spotlight-n1064011

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
12.1  seeder  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  al Jizzerror @12    2 months ago

No conflict of interest there. /s

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
12.1.1  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @12.1    2 months ago

If that flea bag hotel of Trump's were suddenly to collapse, I would not shed a tear.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
12.1.2  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @12.1.1    2 months ago

From the photo, it looks like one of the two towers is already falling over.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
12.1.3  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @12.1.2    2 months ago

That would be sweet.

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
13  Thrawn 31    2 months ago

An obvious, deserved,  and predicted "fuck you".

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
14  Buzz of the Orient    2 months ago

One thing is for sure. Trump isn't going to get the Nobel Peace Prize.  Oh, wait a second, Arafat got it.

 
 
 
Kavika
15  Kavika     2 months ago
Defense Secretary Mark Esper ordered the deployment of 3,000 service members, two fighter squadrons, one air expeditionary wing, two Patriot Missile batteries and one THAAD missile defense system, Pentagon spokesperson Jonathan Hoffman said. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/trump-admin-sending-thousands-more-troops-to-saudi-arabia/ar-AAIDNjl

After leaving the Kurds in a lurch we have committed troops to defend that bastion of democracy and human rights called Saudi Arabia.

It's best to remember that the Saudia's fought side by side with us as far back as WWII suffering mass casualties. /s

Lest we forget they murdered and chopped up a resident of the US, but no one in SA was involved. They have clean hands. more /s

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
15.1  Trout Giggles  replied to  Kavika @15    2 months ago
After leaving the Kurds in a lurch we have committed troops to defend that bastion of democracy and human rights called Saudi Arabia.

jrSmiley_1_smiley_image.png

 
 
 
Krishna
15.1.1  Krishna  replied to  Trout Giggles @15.1    2 months ago
After leaving the Kurds in a lurch we have committed troops to defend that bastion of democracy and human rights called Saudi Arabia.

Exactly.

One of the main arguments I've heard here supporting Trump's troop withdrawal from Syria is that its part of Trump's promise to withdraw troops to "stop the endless wars in the Middle East".

But strangely, while he's withdrawing troops from Syria-- as you mentioned, he's increasing the number of troops in Saudi Arabia. 

 
 
 
CB
15.1.2  CB   replied to  Krishna @15.1.1    2 months ago

We have to stop listening to enablers who spin for this lying man. If you can not take a man at his word, how the hell can you trust anything he states as leader? Trump is the embodiment of spin and delusion. I am angry all day with educated professionals who are under his sway. It is the most ridiculous use of "productive" minds I have ever encountered.

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
15.2  al Jizzerror  replied to  Kavika @15    2 months ago
It's best to remember that the Saudia's fought side by side with us as far back as WWII suffering mass casualties.

Yeah, they cut up lots of German soldiers with bone saws at Normandy.

 
 
 
MrFrost
16  MrFrost    2 months ago

MIGA = Making ISIS Great Again...

Trumps news campaign slogan. 

 
 
 
PJ
17  PJ    2 months ago
The commander of the Kurdish-led Syrian Democratic Forces told a senior US diplomat, "You are leaving us to be slaughtered," demanding to know whether the   US is going to do anything to protect Syrian Kurds   as Turkey continues its military operation targeting America's Kurdish allies in Syria.
"You have given up on us. You are leaving us to be slaughtered,"   Gen. Mazloum Kobani Abdi   told the   Deputy Special Envoy to the Global Coalition to Defeat ISIS, William Roebuck , in a meeting Thursday, according to an internal US government readout that has been obtained exclusively by CNN.
"You are not willing to protect the people, but you do not want another force to come and protect us. You have sold us. This is immoral," Mazloum added.
He insisted the US either help stop the Turkish attack or allow the Syrian Democratic Forces to strike a deal with the Assad regime in Damascus and their Russian backers, allowing Russian warplanes to enforce a no-fly zone over northeast Syria, thereby denying Turkey the ability to carry out airstrikes. The US does not want the Kurds turning to the Russians, administration officials say.
"I need to know if you are capable of protecting my people, of stopping these bombs falling on us or not. I need to know, because if you're not, I need to make a deal with Russia and the regime now and invite their planes to protect this region," Mazloum said.
I am disgusted with what we are doing in this situation.   This is making america great?  BS
 
 
 
†hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh
17.1  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh  replied to  PJ @17    2 months ago

You should buy a rifle and a plane ticket and go save some kurds. That way our kids don't have to fight your endless wars.

 
 
 
CB
17.1.1  CB   replied to  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh @17.1    2 months ago

My friend, some wars are endless, because of the ignorance of men and women over all. It is the best we can do, without wiping out whole groups, the lot of them, to simply maintain a type of peace in hopes of better times in the future!

 
 
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