Never-Before-Seen Trump Tax Documents Show Major Inconsistencies

  
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Never-Before-Seen Trump Tax Documents Show Major Inconsistencies
ProPublica obtained the property tax documents using New York’s Freedom of Information Law. The documents were public because Trump appealed his property tax bill for the buildings every year for nine years in a row, the extent of the available records. We compared the tax records with loan records that became public when Trump’s lender, Ladder Capital, sold the debt on his properties as part of mortgage-backed securities.

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A dozen real estate professionals told ProPublica they saw no clear explanation for multiple inconsistencies in the documents. The discrepancies are “versions of fraud,” said Nancy Wallace, a professor of finance and real estate at the Haas School of Business at the University of California-Berkeley. “This kind of stuff is not OK.” New York City’s property tax forms state that the person signing them “affirms the truth of the statements made” and that “false filings are subject to all applicable civil and criminal penalties.”



Documents obtained by ProPublica show stark differences in how Donald Trump’s businesses reported some expenses, profits and occupancy figures for two Manhattan buildings, giving a lender different figures than they provided to New York City tax authorities. The discrepancies made the buildings appear more profitable to the lender — and less profitable to the officials who set the buildings’ property tax.

For instance, Trump told the lender that he took in twice as much rent from one building as he reported to tax authorities during the same year, 2017. He also gave conflicting occupancy figures for one of his signature skyscrapers, located at 40 Wall Street.

Lenders like to see a rising occupancy level as a sign of what they call “leasing momentum.” Sure enough, the company told a lender that 40 Wall Street had been 58.9% leased on Dec. 31, 2012, and then rose to 95% a few years later. The company told tax officials the building was 81% rented as of Jan. 5, 2013.


A dozen real estate professionals told ProPublica they saw no clear explanation for multiple inconsistencies in the documents. The discrepancies are “versions of fraud,” said Nancy Wallace, a professor of finance and real estate at the Haas School of Business at the University of California-Berkeley. “This kind of stuff is not OK.”

New York City’s property tax forms state that the person signing them “affirms the truth of the statements made” and that “false filings are subject to all applicable civil and criminal penalties.”

The punishments for lying to tax officials, or to lenders, can be significant, ranging from fines to criminal fraud charges. Two former Trump associates, Michael Cohen and Paul Manafort, are serving prison time for offenses that include falsifying tax and bank records, some of them related to real estate.

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“Certainly, if I were sitting in a prosecutor’s office, I would want to ask a lot more questions,” said Anne Milgram, a former attorney general for New Jersey who is now a professor at New York University School of Law.

Trump has previously been accused of manipulating numbers on his tax and loan documents, including by his former lawyer, Cohen. But Trump’s business is notoriously opaque, with records rarely surfacing, and up till now there’s been little documentary evidence supporting those claims.

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That’s one reason that multiple governmental entities, including two congressional committees and the office of the Manhattan district attorney, have subpoenaed Donald Trump’s tax returns. Trump has resisted, taking his battles to federal courts in Washington and New York. And so the question of whether different parts of the government can see the president’s financial information is now playing out in two appeals courts and seems destined to make it to the U.S. Supreme Court. Add to that a   Washington Post account   of an IRS whistleblower claiming political interference in the handling of the president’s audit, and the result is what amounts to frenetic interest in one person’s tax returns.

ProPublica obtained the property tax documents using New York’s Freedom of Information Law. The documents were public because Trump appealed his property tax bill for the buildings every year for nine years in a row, the extent of the available records. We compared the tax records with loan records that became public when Trump’s lender, Ladder Capital, sold the debt on his properties as part of mortgage-backed securities.

ProPublica reviewed records for four properties: 40 Wall Street, the Trump International Hotel and Tower, 1290 Avenue of the Americas and Trump Tower. Discrepancies involving two of them — 40 Wall Street and the Trump International Hotel and Tower — stood out.

20191015-Trump-Taxes-Cohen-3x2.jpg Trump’s personal attorney at the time, Michael Cohen, keeps watch as supporters lay hands on the then-presidential nominee. “It was my experience that Mr. Trump inflated his total assets when it served his purposes,” Cohen later testified, “and deflated his assets to reduce his real estate taxes.”   (Jonathan Ernst/Reuters)




There can be legitimate reasons for numbers to diverge between tax and loan documents, the experts noted, but some of the gaps seemed to have no reasonable justification. “It really feels like there’s two sets of books — it feels like a set of books for the tax guy and a set for the lender,” said Kevin Riordan, a financing expert and real estate professor at Montclair State University who reviewed the records. “It’s hard to argue numbers. That’s black and white.”

The Trump Organization did not respond on the record to detailed questions provided by ProPublica. Robert Pollack, a lawyer whose firm, Marcus & Pollack, handles Trump’s property tax appeal filings with the city, said he was not authorized to discuss the documents. A spokeswoman for Mazars USA, the accounting firm that signed off on the two properties’ expense and income statements, said the firm does not comment on its work for clients. Executives with Trump’s lender, Ladder Capital, declined to be quoted for the story.

In response to ProPublica’s questions about the disparities, Laura Feyer, deputy press secretary for New York Mayor Bill de Blasio, said of the Trump International Hotel and Tower, “The city is looking into this property, and if there has been any underreporting, we will take appropriate action.”


Taxes have long been a third rail for Trump. Long before he famously declined to make his personal returns public, a   New York Times investigation   concluded, Trump participated in tax schemes that involved “outright fraud,” and that he had formulated “a strategy to undervalue his parents’ real estate holdings by hundreds of millions of dollars on tax returns.” Trump’s former partners in   Panama   claimed in a lawsuit, which is ongoing, that Trump’s hotel management company failed to pay taxes on millions in fees it received. Spokespeople for Trump and his company have denied any tax improprieties in the past.

In February, Cohen told Congress that Trump had adjusted figures up or down, as necessary, to obtain loans and avoid taxes. “It was my experience that Mr. Trump inflated his total assets when it served his purposes,” Cohen testified, “and deflated his assets to reduce his real estate taxes.”

The two Trump buildings with the most notable discrepancies shared a financial trait: Both were refinanced in 2015 and 2016 while Trump was campaigning for president. The loan for 40 Wall Street — $160 million — was then the Trump Organization’s   biggest debt .

The fortunes of 40 Wall Street have risen and fallen repeatedly since it was constructed in 1930. Once briefly in the running to become the world’s tallest skyscraper (before being eclipsed by the Chrysler Building and then others), the 71-story landmark had an illustrious history before falling into disrepair as it changed hands multiple times.

Trump says in his book “Never Give Up” that he took over 40 Wall Street for $1 million during a down market in 1995. Others have reported the price as   $10 million . Trump gave the property his signature treatment, decking out the lobby in Italian marble and bronze and christening it “The Trump Building.” Tenants such as American Express moved in.

But the rent rolls suffered when big-name tenants fled to Midtown in the years after the Sept. 11 attacks.   Less blue-chip operations   replaced them. In recent years, there were more setbacks. About two years ago, for example, high-end food purveyor Dean & Deluca canceled plans to locate an 18,500-square-foot emporium on the higher-priced first floor. The space remains empty.

The building at 40 Wall was underperforming, charging below-market rents, according to credit-rating agency Moody’s. Its profits were lagging.

Trump’s company, which has sometimes struggled to obtain credit because of his history of bankruptcies and defaults, turned for relief to a financial institution where Donald Trump had a connection: Ladder Capital, which employs Jack Weisselberg, the son of the Trump Organization’s longtime CFO, Allen Weisselberg. Ladder is a publicly traded commercial real estate investment trust that reports more than $6 billion in assets. In 2015, and still today, Jack Weisselberg was an executive director whose job was to make loans.

Trump and Jack Weisselberg had history together. Jack was at UBS, in its loan origination department, in 2006, when the Swiss bank loaned Trump $7 million for his piece of the Trump International Hotel and Tower. Allen Weisselberg had   bought a condo   from Trump in one of his buildings for a below-market price of $152,500 in 2000. He deeded it to Jack three years later for about $148,000. Jack sold the unit for more than three times as much in 2006. (Jack Weisselberg declined to comment on Ladder’s loans or his relationship with the Trump Organization.)

Even with a sympathetic lender, the struggles at 40 Wall Street would normally raise questions. Trump’s representatives needed to demonstrate signs of the building’s financial health if they wanted a new loan with a lower interest rate.

They had a compelling piece of data, it seemed. Trump’s team told Ladder that occupancy was rebounding after registering a lackluster 58.9% on Dec. 31, 2012. Since then, Trump representatives reported, the building had signed new tenants. Income from them hadn’t fully been realized yet, largely because of free-rent deals, they said. But after 2015, they predicted, revenues would surge.

“That’s a selling point for people in the business,” said Riordan, who was previously the executive director of the Rutgers Center for Real Estate. Borrowers “want to show tremendous leasing momentum.” The steepness of such a rise in occupancy at the Trump building was unusual, Riordan and other experts said.

Documents submitted to city property tax officials show no such run-up. Trump representatives reported to the tax authorities that the building was already 81% leased in 2012.

“What is bizarre is that you have these tax filings that are totally different,” Riordan said. A gap of at least 10 percentage points between the two occupancy reports persisted for the next two years, before the figures in the tax and loan reports synced in January 2016.

The portrayal of a rapid rise in occupancy, and the explanation that income would soon follow, were critical for the refinancing. Indeed, Ladder’s underwriters were predicting that 40 Wall Street’s profits would more than double after 2015. Having reviewed Trump’s financial statements and rent roll, they estimated the building would clear $22.6 million a year in net operating income.

Ladder needed credit ratings agencies like Moody’s and Fitch to endorse its income expectations and give the loan a favorable rating, which would in turn make it easier for the next step of the plan: to package the loan as part of a bond, a so-called commercial mortgage-backed security, and sell it to investors. Without the expected rise in income, Riordan said, the loan size or terms would likely have needed to be renegotiated to satisfy the ratings agencies and investors, which would mean less favorable terms for Trump and Ladder. “There was a story crafted here,” Riordan said. “It’s contradicted by what we see in the tax filings.”

Wallace, the University of California professor, added: “Especially in underwriting loans, you are supposed to truthfully report.” Both the lender and the borrower are required to supply accurate information, she said.

Moody’s and Fitch analysts found the underwriter’s projections slightly too rosy, but Fitch conferred an investment-grade rating on the loan, allowing it to proceed as planned. Trump ultimately received a 10-year loan with a lower interest rate than the building previously had as well as terms that would allow him to defer paying off much of the principal until the end of the loan.

Once granted, the loan to 40 Wall Street ran into trouble: The year after it went through, the loan servicer put it on a “watch list” because of concerns that the building wasn’t making sufficient profit to pay the debt service with enough of a margin. It stayed on the list for three months. (Trump’s company has continued making payments.)

As of 2018, the most recent year available, the building had never met the underwriters’ profit expectations, trailing by more than 8%, according to data from commercial real estate research service Trepp. Experts say that, given the amount of research underwriters do, a property typically meets their expectations fairly quickly.


The 40 Wall Street documents contain discrepancies related to costs as well as to occupancy. Generally, there are “more opportunities to play games on the expense side,” said Ron Shapiro, an assistant professor at Rutgers Business School and a former bank senior vice president, “particularly because there are many more kinds of expenses.”

Comparing specific expense items in both sets of records is challenging, because accountants may group categories differently in reports to tax and loan officials. But some differences on 40 Wall Street documents elicit head-scratching.

For example, insurance costs in 2017 were listed as $744,521 in tax documents and $457,414 in loan records.

Then there was the underlying lease. Trump technically doesn’t own 40 Wall Street. He pays the wealthy German family that owns the property for the right to rent the building to tenants. In 2015, both Trump’s report to tax authorities and a key loan disclosure document asserted that Trump’s company paid $1.65 million for these rights that year. But a line-by-line income and expense statement, which Trepp gathered from what the company reported to the loan servicer, reported the company paid about $1.24 million that year.

“I don’t know why that would be off,” said Jason Hoffman, who is chair of the real estate committee for a professional association of certified public accountants in New York state. Like other experts, he said there are legitimate reasons why tax and loan filings might not line up perfectly. But Hoffman said the firm where he works makes sure the numbers match when it prepares both tax and loan documents for a client — or that it can explain why if they don’t.

Financial information for the Trump International Hotel and Tower raises similar questions. Trump owns only a small portion of the building, which is located on Columbus Circle: two commercial spaces, which he rents out to a restaurant and a parking garage. Trump’s company told New York City tax officials it made about $822,000 renting space to commercial tenants there in 2017, records show. The company told loan officials it took in $1.67 million that year — more than twice as much. In eight years of data ProPublica examined for the Columbus Circle property, Trump’s company reported gross income to tax authorities that was typically only about 81% of what it reported to the lender.

Trump appeared to omit from tax documents income his company received from leasing space on the roof for television antennas, a ProPublica review found. The line on tax appeal forms for income from such communications equipment is blank on nine years of tax filings, even as loan documents listed the antennas as major sources of income.

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Trump has an easement to lease the roof space; he doesn’t own it. But three tax experts, including Melanie Brock, an appraiser and paralegal who has worked on hundreds of New York City tax cases, told ProPublica that the income should still be reported on the tax appeals forms.

It’s hard to guess what might explain every inconsistency, said David Wilkes, a New York City tax lawyer who is chair of the National Association of Property Tax Attorneys. But, he added, “My gut reaction is it seems like there’s something amiss there.”

Tax records for Trump personally and for his business continue to be subjects of contention in multiple investigations. The Justice Department has intervened in the investigation by the Manhattan district attorney, whose office has sought Trump’s personal tax returns. Congressional lawmakers investigating his business dealings have sought documents from his longtime accountant, Donald Bender, a partner at Mazars. Trump is fighting the subpoenas in court. (Bender did not respond to requests for comment.)

Rep. Elijah Cummings, D-Md. , chairman of the House Oversight Committee, has said the committee is seeking to determine if Cohen’s testimony about Trump inflating and deflating his assets was accurate. Cummings asked for Mazars’ records related to Trump entities, as well as communications between Bender and Trump or Trump employees since 2009.

Such communications, the subpoena stated, should include any related to potential concerns that information Trump or his representatives provided his accountants was “incomplete, inaccurate, or otherwise unsatisfactory.”


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JohnRussell
1  seeder  JohnRussell    one month ago

More evidence he is a crook. 

 
 
 
Tacos!
1.1  Tacos!  replied to  JohnRussell @1    one month ago
More evidence he is a crook

For your sake, I hope that's true. I feel like you need a win. jrSmiley_79_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Ozzwald
1.1.1  Ozzwald  replied to  Tacos! @1.1    4 weeks ago
For your sake, I hope that's true. I feel like you need a win.

Last election was a pretty damn big win. jrSmiley_36_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Texan1211
1.1.2  Texan1211  replied to  Ozzwald @1.1.1    4 weeks ago
Last election was a pretty damn big win. 

Not by historical standards. 

The GOP lost fewer seats in Trump's first midterm than Democrats did in Obama or Clinton's first midterms.

 
 
 
It Is ME
1.1.3  It Is ME  replied to  Ozzwald @1.1.1    4 weeks ago
Last election was a pretty damn big win.

A Blue wave ?

You do know that the Real Buck stops or Goes in the Senate ?

Which party gained in the more important part of D.C. ?

 
 
 
sixpick
1.2  sixpick  replied to  JohnRussell @1    4 weeks ago

Sometimes the IRS gets it wrong, but I've never known the IRS to get it wrong in your favor.  If the MSM can take a transcript of a phone call and convince many the fake is the truth and the real one is the lie, then think what they can do to a billionaire's tax information, using the general public's ignorance of even simple tax returns, much less those of this magnitude.  I'm pretty confident Donald Trump has been audited every year for decades by the IRS and if they haven't put him in jail for tax fraud, then he is most definitely innocent of any tax fraud.  Next.

 
 
 
Tacos!
2  Tacos!    one month ago
There can be legitimate reasons for numbers to diverge between tax and loan documents, the experts noted

I guess that wouldn't make for as sexy a headline.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Tacos! @2    one month ago

He's been doing this stuff his entire life. 

 
 
 
Tacos!
2.1.1  Tacos!  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1    one month ago

Yeah, but no one cared to try and prosecute him for it until he was elected president. That smells. If you had asked me 4 years ago if I thought Trump was crooked in some way, I would have said, Sure, probably. Why not?! He always struck me as being full of shit. But now, it's impossible not to see it as some political game.

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
2.1.2  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Tacos! @2.1.1    one month ago
If you had asked me 4 years ago if I thought Trump was crooked in some way, I would have said, Sure, probably. Why not?! He always struck me as being full of shit. But now, it's impossible not to see it as some political game.

You see it as a political game rather than the system trying to correct an error of installing what you see as a full of shit crook?  Amazing.

 
 
 
Ronin2
2.1.3  Ronin2  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @2.1.2    4 weeks ago
You see it as a political game rather than the system trying to correct an error of installing what you see as a full of shit crook?  Amazing.

Wow, after the Clintons how can anyone on make that statement? 

We have this little thing called elections. If the majority of the voters in each state agree that Trump is not a good president, then he will be voted out of office.  Or is the left now against elections?

The Dems 24/7 shit impeachment show since Trump was announced the winner has been nothing short of abuse of power.  Now they are on to closed door secret impeachment inquiry; where the Dems get to ask the only questions- and only a select few Republicans can monitor.

 
 
 
Tacos!
2.1.4  Tacos!  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @2.1.2    4 weeks ago
to correct an error

The proper course of action for that is to elect somebody different in the next election. That's different from the purpose of impeachment, which is to remove someone from office for things they have done while they were in office, not for things they did before being elected.

For example, when Nixon was being investigated, the House committee rejected articles of impeachment for tax fraud on the grounds that even if the accusations were true, they had nothing to do with his work as president. The alleged fraud would have taken place before he was president.

of installing what you see as a full of shit crook?  Amazing.

No, what's amazing is that 1)you have no respect for the process and 2) you add things to my words to create a straw man. I didn't say I thought he was a crook. Conceding that he is capable of being a crook does not mean that I think he actually has committed specific crimes. And anyway, being full of shit is not a crime. If it were, we would have to jail everyone in Washington.

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
2.1.5  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Ronin2 @2.1.3    4 weeks ago

That's it...... The Clintons they, Hillary she.

You just can't seem to deal with the matter at hand can you?

Oh.... and BTW..... I DIDN"T MAKE THAT STATEMENT!!!!  TACOS DID!

 
 
 
Texan1211
2.1.6  Texan1211  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @2.1.2    4 weeks ago
You see it as a political game rather than the system trying to correct an error of installing what you see as a full of shit crook?  

Look, we get it already that many still can't deal with the truth-Trump won the election.

He was "installed" like every single President in your lifetime was.

He got the required number of electoral votes (actually, quite a few more) like every other President in your lifetime.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
2.1.7  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @2.1.2    4 weeks ago
You see it as a political game rather than the system trying to correct an error of installing what you see as a full of shit crook?

You damned right it's political. All of these years of supposed nefarious actions and just NOW they decide it's time to investigate? WTF was the IRS, SDNY, and all of this bullshit in his private life? Nowhere...................for a reason. It wasn't that big a deal then..........but is now? It's fucking ridiculous. If all of this is "something", why in the holy hell did it not come out prior to his nomination and, in your words, error in installation? It's crapola and you know it but if it helps you sleep at night, enjoy..........while you can.

 
 
 
r.t..b...
2.1.8  r.t..b...  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.6    4 weeks ago
He was "installed" like every single President in your lifetime was.

And a testament to our history and our peaceful transition of power. Should he lose the 2020 election, can we expect the same from him and his followers? Given the divisive rhetoric and fever-pitched emotions, I shudder at the possibilities.

 
 
 
Texan1211
2.1.9  Texan1211  replied to  r.t..b... @2.1.8    4 weeks ago
Should he lose the 2020 election, can we expect the same from him and his followers? Given the divisive rhetoric and fever-pitched emotions, I shudder at the possibilities.

Are you afraid that Trump will follow Democrats' lead and not accept the results of an election?

Your point is mere speculation, while the last 3 years have SHOWN us exactly how Democrats react to a very bad loss.

 
 
 
Tessylo
2.1.10  Tessylo  replied to  r.t..b... @2.1.8    4 weeks ago

https://www.facebook.com/TheTNHoller/videos/414522565898066/

 
 
 
Ender
2.1.11  Ender  replied to  r.t..b... @2.1.8    4 weeks ago

I predict they will either have to embrace the doors trump has opened or they all have a meltdown when someone else uses the same tactics.

I say the latter.

 
 
 
r.t..b...
2.1.12  r.t..b...  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.9    4 weeks ago
Are you afraid that Trump will follow Democrats' lead and not accept the results of an election?

I have never argued against the outcome of the election. Given his alarming concern for appearances, I am concerned that he would rather burn everything down than admit defeat should it come to pass. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
2.1.13  Texan1211  replied to  r.t..b... @2.1.12    4 weeks ago

Worry away, then.

Seems like a very productive thing to do.

 
 
 
r.t..b...
2.1.14  r.t..b...  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.13    4 weeks ago
Worry away, then. Seems like a very productive thing to do.

Trite.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
2.1.15  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Ender @2.1.11    4 weeks ago

I say the latter.

is an easier way to ascend heights never doven into by players of pools, slated to how it felt to be pooled inn the wrong direction currently flowing to add numbers to the scum floating below depths of that which peepholes appear to be able to allow this fermenting placenta to explain what he really did and ameanta    2 say 

till death due us a part Before Christ Columbus day is no longer observed at Nights of Columbus Day parading that which floats over heads rolling from the hills of that which innocent guillotines 

 had to cut

the ties at the neck line

crossed like an i while dotting tease as  the talking head off

at the pass

played and thrown under the bus

schedule fully implemented on the cluttered  table

of contents.

Presently Absent of contents

while containing in no other words he couldn't pronounce due to anti announcement bulletins bored N 2 a hollow cranium, mined, but not uranium when air waves good buys on to become best buys from those not shopping to short circuit a city hall monitored for hall monitors passing out passes in the no passing zone where rushing, is retarded by the Activity of homiosedentatious life styles of that which hunting the rich,

often referred to as DICK

is, always inn a season to 

Fall into the Torrid Autumn that leaves

Seasons, embarking on an ice screaming float,

that brings all down, to the root of all Evil  beings 

the number one reason

Treason

is now acceptable for the former Patriotic Party that should Surprise No Won wins here.

.

when the show n place is rigged, by a guy who swore it was,

and thus where we and he lie

Down

Former;

The latter, is now Up, No...what you don't ?

me neither !

 
 
 
Sunshine
2.1.16  Sunshine  replied to  r.t..b... @2.1.12    4 weeks ago
 Given his alarming concern for appearances,

When has he not accepted a defeat?

But, we do know when Democrats have not.... 

Impeach 45, Russia, Ukraine, two scoops of ice cream

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
2.1.17  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Sunshine @2.1.16    4 weeks ago

Damn it you forgot the chocolate cake.........

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Texan1211
2.1.18  Texan1211  replied to  r.t..b... @2.1.14    4 weeks ago
Trite.

And true.

Don't forget the true part.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
2.1.19  Greg Jones  replied to  r.t..b... @2.1.8    4 weeks ago

Should he lose the 2020 election, can we expect the same from him and his followers?

.It's doubtful that he will lose in 2020. The Democrats will be up to their elbows in scandal;.

and they have no electable candidates

 
 
 
squiggy
2.1.20  squiggy  replied to  r.t..b... @2.1.8    4 weeks ago

“Should he lose the 2020 election, can we expect the same from him and his followers? “

Like what? Will he drunk walk his dogs and smash the dishes? So what. Will righties around the world don dick hats and cry in the streets? I gotta work.

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
2.1.21  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @2.1.7    4 weeks ago

If all of this is "something", why in the holy hell did it not come out prior to his nomination.

I suggest you ask Moscow Mitch..... He promised to make it political if any of this information was made public BEFORE the election!!!! 

And save the theatrics..... You ignored everything anyway that was in your face PRIOR TO THE ELECTION.....

  • The Access Hollywood tapes,
  • You knew about his bankruptcies,
  • You knew about how no American banks would loan to him,
  • You knew about how he shafted contractors, and blue collar laborers left and right 
  • The "oh, my taxes are under audit."  bullshit. 
  • "we'll show you Melania's legal status in a couple of week", 
  • "I know more than the Generals."
  • And most importantly, you believed every bit of misinformation put out by Trump and the Russians about his republican and democratic challengers.

Jim, you've shut your eyes to all of this information before the election, so why would we expect you to open your eyes now?

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
2.1.22  igknorantzrulz  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @2.1.21    4 weeks ago

the retarded comprehension dissabilities have reached new depths in Denial.

The mental midgets Lying, while defining anything ever negative as hoax fake news is just 

SO FCKN OFF THE CHARTS

even for the ma and pop tarts,

as it's below the charts,

wiping off the maps

of Sharpie unenhanced predictions from 

the PREDICTATOR wanna be   who only praises 'strong men ' leaders ' 

while being a weak minded 

fooling only the like.

.
And if You don't like,

it's about time to cease and insist, unless the mentally deficient can produce a coefficient argument, i'm going to have to pass on said argument.

As their inability to choose a choice worthy of a heard voice,

is larenghitus to  ear & knows throats 

doctored by DENIAL,    FALSE FAX,   PSEUDO REALITIES,   WITCH HUNTZ and praise on minds too week   

too dense

too invested in a Capitol Molested,

by a pussy grabbin back stabbin mentally misalighned segment in Americas History, that will be the embarrassmeant of our entire short of our meager 2 and a half men and their cent story

as HIS story,

should have been the fairy tale of course in Fiction, not the coarse cause of friction,

not,

the Reality forced upon US All that have been immune to the infection brought forth by minds too small that couldn't hear more than what they wanted to.

Depiction of what isn't Real, is not artificial Reality, for ANY AND ALL

still defending this unremovable STAIN

on Our WHITE HOUSE with the BLUE ADDRESS,

cause Trump BLOWS

all others a way that should have NEVER BEEN SWALLOWED !

.

.

yet they still can't spit it out, our countries future is left in the doubt

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
2.1.23  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @2.1.21    4 weeks ago

My eyes are wide open. That you think that any of your "talking points" were relevant prior to the election, says more about you than me. 

  • The Access Hollywood tapes, Locker room talk not unheard of in many circles
  • You knew about his bankruptcies, All part of doing business in a lot of cases
  • You knew about how no American banks would loan to him, Big deal. I've been turned down for credit more than once. No bankruptcies in the past
  • You knew about how he shafted contractors, and blue collar laborers left and right Again, not my problem and the majority of that is on the contractors for not doing due diligence prior to signing up (my guess is they were blinded by $$$
  • The "oh, my taxes are under audit."  bullshit. And you don't think they were? I don't care about and have no right or need to see something that is personal in nature. Neither do you.
  • "we'll show you Melania's legal status in a couple of week", I really don't care, do you?
  • "I know more than the Generals." Nothing but bluster and NO ONE with a brain believed it
  • And most importantly, you believed every bit of misinformation put out by Trump and the Russians about his republican and democratic challengers. Hmmmmm. Trump maybe. All political stripes engage in misinformation campaigning. It's up to the "reader/listener" to sort out the bullshit. Russians? A resounding NOPE. didn't believe a damned thing. I am not a sheep and have several years of listening to campaign ads and propaganda from within our own borders.
 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
2.1.24  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @2.1.23    4 weeks ago

are you sure Trump just isn't live streaming what he projects on the screens planted while screening what Trump wants you to see through the windows openly shutting out your ability to not see what he continues to display on the interior of your openly shut eye lids ?

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
2.1.25  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @2.1.23    4 weeks ago

I love all of the ...."I don't care.", and "None of my business." responses.  That's precisely the problem with so many like you willingly turning a blind eye to the truth about Trump.

Your an enabler of a shitty businessman becoming our shitty president.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
2.1.26  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  igknorantzrulz @2.1.24    4 weeks ago

What?

jrSmiley_88_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
2.1.27  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @2.1.26    4 weeks ago

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Texan1211
2.1.28  Texan1211  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @2.1.26    4 weeks ago

Don't even bother to try and decipher the gibberish. It simply isn't worth the time or effort.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
2.1.29  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @2.1.25    4 weeks ago

How has ANY of your "points" affected you and yours personal lives? Curious. So many never Trumpers keep pointing to things such as you did and can't answer that simple question. So now is your time to shine. And no generalizations please. I asked for personally. 

GO

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
2.1.30  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  igknorantzrulz @2.1.27    4 weeks ago

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JohnRussell
2.1.31  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @2.1.29    4 weeks ago

You keep making this stupid argument. 

If Trump shot someone in the middle of Times Square it would not effect you personally . If Trump poisoned all the water in Ceylon it wouldnt effect you personally. If he drowned a thousand cats it wouldnt effect you personally, so by your "logic" none of those things would be wrong or disqualify him to lead America. 

 
 
 
XDm9mm
2.1.32  XDm9mm  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.31    4 weeks ago
You keep making this stupid argument. 

While I could go on, why bother when you did so in such eloquent fashion?  THANKS!!!

 
 
 
†hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh
2.1.33  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.31    4 weeks ago

I love the new avatar, it's very dramatic. 

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
2.1.34  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.31    4 weeks ago

So wrong. So many levels. All of those would be illegal and not just some hope filled scenario if carried out. And if he did any of them, even not affecting me, I would not stand for it. Now, how does that equate if the points FN made were illegal? I'll wait. 

**Hint: Lies ----- they aren't illegal last I knew**

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
2.1.35  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  XDm9mm @2.1.32    4 weeks ago

320

 
 
 
MUVA
2.1.36  MUVA  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @2.1.25    4 weeks ago

I feel the same exact way about the Democrats that over look the corruption in Democratic Party .I see people  like and Chuck ,Nancy that gotten away with being corrupt for 3 decades without a peep Trump Isn’t in the same galaxy of the most corrupt politicians in history.

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
2.1.37  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @2.1.29    4 weeks ago

This is about character and morality Jim.  Plain and simple.

You seem to honor a liar, a cheat, a poor business acumen, a coward, and someone that has no hesitation to dishonor distinguished members of the armed services. 

Trump has dishonored every aspect of the type of fairness and honor that America is suppose to stand for.  Have previous presidents made mistakes that didn't serve America well?  Sure they did, but never with the complete and blatant disregard for the rule of law and decency that America has been known for until this time. 

Strange as you may find it, I put the entire concept that is America ahead of my life.  Article I of the POW code of conduct states: I am an American, fighting in the forces which guard my country and our way of life.  I am prepared to give my life in their defense.   That phrase has honored a place on my desk since I left active duty many years ago.   I feel more strongly today than ever about it.

Its about character and morality to lead this county.  Trump has neither of those characteristics.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2.1.38  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  XDm9mm @2.1.32    4 weeks ago
If Trump shot someone in the middle of Times Square it would not effect you personally . If Trump poisoned all the water in Ceylon it wouldnt effect you personally. If he drowned a thousand cats it wouldnt effect you personally, so by your "logic" none of those things would be wrong or disqualify him to lead America. 

I know I make too much sense for some people, but I can't help it. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2.1.39  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @2.1.34    4 weeks ago

Trump is not being criticized for his looks. He is being impeached for illegality. 

Your "argument" that he is beyond criticism because some people like what he is doing , and his wrong doing isnt effecting anyone personally, is ridiculous. 

 
 
 
XDm9mm
2.1.40  XDm9mm  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.38    4 weeks ago
I know I make too much sense for some people, but I can't help it.

Using your own quote to support your position is not what anyone would call sensible.  Just sayin.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
2.1.41  XDm9mm  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.39    4 weeks ago
He is being impeached for illegality. 

NOTHING of the kind has been PROVED yet.  

You do understand the difference between fact and fiction don't you?  NO factual illegalities have been PROVED, other then in the wettest of wet dreams of some Democrats in Congress salivating at the chance to eliminate their nemesis in the White House in one President Donald J. Trump.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
2.1.42  XDm9mm  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @2.1.37    4 weeks ago
This is about character and morality Jim.

There is nothing requiring "character and morality" in the Constitutionally mandated requirements to be President of The United States.

Is it of good character and morality to "read" a story into Congressional testimony as if it was fact when it was nothing but the fiction of a virulent Trump hater?  And then try to use that fiction as the basis to impeach the President?

 
 
 
Tessylo
2.1.43  Tessylo  replied to  XDm9mm @2.1.42    4 weeks ago
"There is nothing requiring "character and morality" in the Constitutionally mandated requirements to be President of The United States.

Damned good thing because there is none of that to be found in this 'president' or his family or administration or cabinet.  

 
 
 
XDm9mm
2.1.44  XDm9mm  replied to  Tessylo @2.1.43    4 weeks ago
Damned good thing because there is none of that to be found in this 'president' or his family or administration or cabinet.  

One needs to be able to recognize it before one can claim it can't be found.  Just sayin.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
2.1.45  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @2.1.37    4 weeks ago
Plain and simple. You seem to honor a liar, a cheat, a poor business acumen, a coward, and someone that has no hesitation to dishonor distinguished members of the armed services. 

I honor the office and the occupant therein that holds the position that was duly elected. Do I believe all that he says? Nope. Do I necessarily approve of all the things that he may have done prior to taking said office? Nope again. I like what he sees a ss From election night 2016 to the present, he has had to face total undying vitriol  from the opposing party who just couldn't deal with him winning. Did I like Mr. Obama? His private life yes. His vision for the US? Not a damned bit but, I never pounded on him the way that several here and elsewhere do on a constant and consistent basis. Yes there were some that did but not to the degree of always having to be second guessed and offered up forums, like this, to air their differences and just plain hate for the man. I look at what he does NOT what he says. Only a fool would believe EVERY word that comes forth from his cheeseberder slot. Every conservative I know just blows off the bluster as a distraction to what he is trying to do. That is, Make America Great Again and getting back to the basics of what the US was founded on. Patriotism, and the desire to follow the Constitution of the United States and quit the candyassed policies that were tried to stuff down our throats as the "new normal". The status quo was soundly rejected in 2016 and with any luck, will be again in 2020.

In closing, thank you for your service and "discussion" as I like hearing/reading other's opinions. I don't always have to agree but that is what is one of the great things about the US. Freedom of speech, thought, and the ability to express same.

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
2.1.46  FLYNAVY1  replied to  XDm9mm @2.1.42    4 weeks ago

So what does that say about you XD?  That you don't "require character or morality out of the person that occupies the White House?

How about the emoluments clause of the US Constitution... Once again and now blatantly out in the open with the G7 being held at Trump's property:

No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State.

Clear violation of the US Constitution that you swore to uphold and defend..... Just like I did.  You giving Trump a pass on this one too?

 
 
 
XDm9mm
2.1.47  XDm9mm  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @2.1.46    4 weeks ago
So what does that say about you XD?  That you don't "require character or morality out of the person that occupies the White House?

I'm going to ignore the personal insult and chalk it up to your personal animosity for President Trump clouding your vision.

How about the emoluments clause of the US Constitution... Once again and now blatantly out in the open with the G7 being held at Trump's property: No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State.

Two points.   

First, the G7 has NOT yet been held at the Doral...  peering into the future as to what MIGHT transpire is no violation.

Second, when in attendance himself, it is my understanding that the only cost paid by others (ie USSS, is direct cost and no 'profit', so there is nothing gained by Trump.)   Actually, I'd love it if he just came out and said that all attendees were his guests at no cost.  Wouldn't that put you into a tail spin!!

Clear violation of the US Constitution that you swore to uphold and defend..... Just like I did.  You giving Trump a pass on this one too?

Again, how can you give anyone a "pass" on something that has not yet transpired?  Is that something only Navy pilots know about?

 
 
 
Tessylo
2.1.48  Tessylo  replied to  XDm9mm @2.1.44    4 weeks ago
One needs to be able to recognize it before one can claim it can't be found.  Just sayin.

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
2.1.49  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @2.1.45    4 weeks ago

America Great Again and getting back to the basics of what the US was founded on.

FYI.... America has always been great Jim.  And as far as the basics..... Since when has any president been in violation of the emoluments clause of the US Constitution like this president is with the G7 at Doral? 

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
2.1.50  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @2.1.34    4 weeks ago

**Hint: Lies ----- they aren't illegal last I knew**

it's not knew,

as a potUS can be impeached for LYING.

,

luckily no evidence of that though...

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
2.1.51  FLYNAVY1  replied to  XDm9mm @2.1.47    4 weeks ago
More proof that it is impossible to shame a Trump supporter......

 
 
 
XDm9mm
2.1.52  XDm9mm  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @2.1.51    4 weeks ago
More proof that it is impossible to shame a Trump supporter......

That's the best you have?  Seriously?

I previously found your abilities much better at supporting your position.  I surmise I was wrong, or you had unnamed assistance.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
2.1.53  XDm9mm  replied to  Tessylo @2.1.48    4 weeks ago
One needs to be able to recognize it before one can claim it can't be found.  Just sayin.

Thanks for the recognition and quoting me.   I knew eventually you would recognize the error of your ways.

 
 
 
cjcold
2.1.54  cjcold  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1    4 weeks ago

That's why his folks shipped the bully/rapist to military school. It didn't take.

 
 
 
Larry Hampton
3  Larry Hampton    one month ago
 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
3.1  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Larry Hampton @3    one month ago

What.... is this a trick question?  

BTW..... Where is Jared these days?  I'm betting Trump is going to line him up for the death of the Kurds.....you know cause Jared knew everything about the Middle East.

 
 
 
Tessylo
3.1.1  Tessylo  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @3.1    4 weeks ago

He's sparing Ivanka if anyone so that would include Jared I would think.  

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
4  Freedom Warrior    4 weeks ago
Experts say that, given the amount of research underwriters do, a property typically meets their expectations fairly quickly.

Yeah he definitely has a problem here.  I understand what he is doing.  However, I do it in a legitimate manner.

But as far that comment by the so called experts.  I'm an expert in this field and that's completely fucking BS.   There hasn't been one underwriter in my career that ever exhibited any high degree of understanding of real estate valuation.  They are mostly checklist guys.  They do know their methodology but they rely on the knowledge of those intimately involved with the assets.  They'll ask specific questions and you'll feed them answers that tell a story they want to hear in order to make a deal work.

But those government fukwads.  They're the absolute worse except you do run into an occasional assessor that is sympathetic to the cause.  I ran into a guy like that in Monterey County. Be that as it may there is always plenty of wiggle room in these exercises.  It looks like he crossed the boundary here though.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
4.1  XDm9mm  replied to  Freedom Warrior @4    4 weeks ago
It looks like he crossed the boundary here though.

Not necessarily.  Neither you nor I have actual knowledge of what the purported documents represent.   The "loan" document might be of a possible purchase loan (vs a refinance) and you know as well as I do all of those 'expenses' are estimates.  The tax document on the other hand is theoretically actual costs incurred.

Let's face it.  Donald Trump and his businesses have been scrutinized by local, state and federal tax authorities on both a business and personal level for decades and he has yet to have any  irregularities that have been found to be of such an egregious nature as to rise to the level of an offense worthy of prosecution.  He hires the big gun legal beagle tax attorneys and accountants to make sure he avoids such problems.

Hell, more often than not, the private tax attorneys and accountants have a better grasp of the law than the government auditors do.

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
4.1.1  Freedom Warrior  replied to  XDm9mm @4.1    4 weeks ago

Yeah I know.  We may not be getting the full story.  There is a lot of room for interpretation in this area.  I would limit my remarks to if there was a deliberate misrepresentation of the actual occupancy stats.  Not anything they may have projected.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
4.1.2  XDm9mm  replied to  Freedom Warrior @4.1.1    4 weeks ago
We may not be getting the full story.

All I do when I ask that question is look at the source!!

 
 
 
It Is ME
5  It Is ME    4 weeks ago

Do we need a total revamp of the "IRS" investigation system ?

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
6  Paula Bartholomew    4 weeks ago

Well well well Trumpers.  Ain't that a kick in the pants!

 
 
 
lady in black
6.1  lady in black  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @6    4 weeks ago

But doncha know they'll claim it's fake news etc. 

 
 
 
It Is ME
6.2  It Is ME  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @6    4 weeks ago
Well well well Trumpers.  Ain't that a kick in the pants!

These pants ?

 
 
 
Nerm_L
7  Nerm_L    4 weeks ago

Is it finally time to impeach Trump?

The problem with this approach is that Trump may not have done anything illegal.  Many state laws allow different accounting practices for different purposes.  State laws really have legalized a lot of shady practices in real estate development.  That's why foreign investors have been using real estate as a tax haven in the United States.

Greed is not and never has been a moral virtue.  But states really have legalized greed.  Trump may have done something immoral but not illegal.  Trump isn't the only politician that has taken advantage of legal but shady real estate laws.

 
 
 
KDMichigan
8  KDMichigan    4 weeks ago

Oh no JR posted another article from a leftwing rag that claims Trump is crooked...Shocker.

If the evidence is there charge him then, why are we writing articles about it?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
8.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  KDMichigan @8    4 weeks ago

Why is the sky so high?

Let us know when you have something pertinent to say. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
8.1.1  Tessylo  replied to  JohnRussell @8.1    4 weeks ago

Be thankful he didn't splatter your seed with off topic memes.  

 
 
 
KDMichigan
8.1.2  KDMichigan  replied to  Tessylo @8.1.1    4 weeks ago
Be thankful he didn't splatter your seed with off topic memes.  

256

 
 
 
KDMichigan
8.1.3  KDMichigan  replied to  JohnRussell @8.1    4 weeks ago
Let us know when you have something pertinent to say. 

[Deleted]

 
 
 
Tessylo
8.1.4  Tessylo  replied to  KDMichigan @8.1.2    4 weeks ago

[Deleted]

 
 
 
Ozzwald
8.2  Ozzwald  replied to  KDMichigan @8    4 weeks ago

If the evidence is there charge him then, why are we writing articles about it?

You keep forgetting that they aren't allowed to charge a sitting President, at least not the DOJ.  And ProPublica definitely cannot charge anybody themselves.

 
 
 
Texan1211
8.3  Texan1211  replied to  KDMichigan @8    4 weeks ago

Yeah, but this time, they really, really, really, really, really have him!

LMFAO!

 
 
 
KDMichigan
8.3.1  KDMichigan  replied to  Texan1211 @8.3    4 weeks ago
they really, really, really, really, really have him!

256

 
 
 
Ender
9  Ender    4 weeks ago

Typical. White collar crimes get looked over or a slap on the wrist.

 
 
 
loki12
10  loki12    4 weeks ago

Can’t stop laughing at the lefts comments, you’ve definitely got him this time.

Not like with Flynn, or Russia, or Cohen, or Stormy, or Avenatti or Ukraine.......this time for sure!

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
10.1  igknorantzrulz  replied to  loki12 @10    4 weeks ago

He was gotten

all those times,

but you forgive him for his trespasses upon you

 
 
 
loki12
10.1.1  loki12  replied to  igknorantzrulz @10.1    4 weeks ago

I guess that’s why he isn’t president anymore......oh wait....never mind.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
10.1.2  igknorantzrulz  replied to  loki12 @10.1.1    4 weeks ago

I guess that’s why he isn’t president anymore......oh wait....never mind.

Can you comprehend that the DOJ chooses not to bring charges against co- conspirator 1, otherwise known as the potUS.

If Trump WAS NOT PRESIDENT< HE WOULD BE IN JAIL

is that too difficult for you to admit....

or comprehend ?

 
 
 
arkpdx
10.2  arkpdx  replied to  loki12 @10    4 weeks ago

It is so bad they are begining to look like this.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
10.2.1  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  arkpdx @10.2    4 weeks ago

Perfect.

jrSmiley_10_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
lib50
10.3  lib50  replied to  loki12 @10    4 weeks ago

Trump may be still in office, but the FACT republicans have no problems with any of Trumps words and actions speaks to way more than a silly 'We are winning as the place burns down' attitude.  Never ever try to pretend conservatives have any meaningful values, its all smoke and mirrors to fools the sheeple for power and money.  And in Trump's case add an overblown ego that is never ever ever satiated.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
10.3.1  igknorantzrulz  replied to  lib50 @10.3    4 weeks ago

ever feel like not insulting mud,

by comparing his defenders to that which you feel correspondence with them,

is equal to talking to MUDD,

but you feel cleaner...

 
 
 
Texan1211
10.3.2  Texan1211  replied to  lib50 @10.3    4 weeks ago

You have a real gift for hyperbole.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
10.3.3  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Texan1211 @10.3.2    4 weeks ago

and you, gullibility.

 
 
 
lib50
10.3.4  lib50  replied to  Texan1211 @10.3.2    4 weeks ago

Trump supporters don't know what hyperbole is.  Address the big fat orange elephant baby in the room. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
10.3.5  Texan1211  replied to  lib50 @10.3.4    4 weeks ago
Trump supporters don't know what hyperbole is.

Ah, more of the elitist attitude so well known here!

Y'all must be so proud!

 
 
 
XDm9mm
10.3.6  XDm9mm  replied to  lib50 @10.3.4    4 weeks ago
Trump supporters don't know what hyperbole is. 

And the following is what you use to prove your point?   

Address the big fat orange elephant baby in the room. 

Holy hot shit bat man, you can't make this fucking shit up.  It's hilarious.

 
 
 
Texan1211
10.3.7  Texan1211  replied to  XDm9mm @10.3.6    4 weeks ago

The irony is overwhelming, no?

 
 
 
lib50
10.3.8  lib50  replied to  Texan1211 @10.3.7    4 weeks ago

Trust me, it is. When you get tired of looking in the mirror, try again.

 
 
 
Texan1211
10.3.9  Texan1211  replied to  lib50 @10.3.8    4 weeks ago

Why bother. 

You just keep on proving our points, however unwittingly.

 
 
 
warmall
11  warmall    4 weeks ago

It looks bad. Does it help Make America Great Again? 

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
11.1  igknorantzrulz  replied to  warmall @11    4 weeks ago

sewer Grate

 
 
 
Tessylo
12  Tessylo    4 weeks ago

The only thing this 'president' cares about is if it helps him great again.  

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
13  Paula Bartholomew    4 weeks ago

Trump's grandfather was a tax evader also.  The orange glow acorn didn't fall far from that tree.

 
 
 
Texan1211
13.1  Texan1211  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @13    4 weeks ago
Trump's grandfather was a tax evader also.  

So prove it then.

https://hoax-alert.leadstories.com/3470948-fake-news-no-proof-trumps-grandfather-was...

Claim: Trump's grandfather was a pimp and tax evader; his father a member of the KKK
False · Fact checked by hoax-alert.leadstories.com

 
 
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