Yes, Trump Is Right to Withdraw from Syria and Let Turkey Deal With the PKK

Via:  badfish-hd-h-u  •  7 months ago  •  10 comments

Yes, Trump Is Right to Withdraw from Syria and Let Turkey Deal With the PKK

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When Donald Trump ran for president, he made it clear that he wanted to end "Endless Wars." He wanted to bring American troops home and opposed the very notion of American Empire.

Strangely, now that he's doing what he promised on the campaign trail, political insiders are all upset. How can he withdraw from Syria? The Kurds! They are being abandoned! The U.S. should have stayed to "protect" them, these analysts and politicians argue. For how long? Well, that's a question they'd rather   not   answer.

Trump is right to withdraw the troops from Syria. They were there to defeat ISIS. That mission has been accomplished. It is not America's job to remake the Middle East -- to give this or that people their own nation-state, and then to protect them for, well,   the rest of time . America's foreign policy should be aimed at protecting its own interests. Those interests have been taken care of. Now it's time to withdraw and let people in the Middle East decide their own future (and present).

What's more, the "allies" Trump supposedly turned " his back on " are actually members of an internationally recognized terrorist organization. The PKK and its affiliated branches -- all those "Kurdish groups" in Syria are branches of the PKK -- have been responsible for many thousands, even tens of thousands of deaths. Turkish members of the security forces   and   Turkish civilians have been murdered by these   Marxist-Leninist   thugs.

The International Crisis Group is keeping   track   of the death toll in "the conflict" between Turkey and the PKK. The numbers speak for themselves. The PKK -- constantly referred to as simply "the Kurds" by their fanboys in the West -- is one of the most deadly and destructive terror organizations in the world. Just look at this while keeping in mind that TAK is the PKK branch responsible for terrorism in the western part of Turkey:

While the bulk of the PKK conflict has remained highly localised in the country’s majority Kurdish south east, since January 2016 violence has increasingly spread to the west of Turkey. Two bombings by TAK struck Ankara on 17 February and 13 March 2016, killing a total of 38 civilians and 28 security officials. A TAK suicide bomber also detonated herself outside of the Great Mosque in Bursa, a city in north west Turkey, injuring thirteen on 27 April. This was followed by a May 2016 attack in Istanbul’s Sancaktepe district that narrowly missed a bus full of police. TAK also claimed responsibility for a car bomb attack on a police bus on 7 June in central Vezneciler district of Istanbul killing seven police officers and four civilians.


Between 1 February and 19 July 2016, of the 312 security force members killed, 150 were victims of improvised explosive device (IED) attacks (48 per cent), while in the four months prior (October 2015-January 2016) of the total of 115 security force deaths, 33 were from IED attacks (29 per cent). This suggests the PKK is engaging in more high-profile attacks, killing more security forces with single IED attacks, which has resulted in an increase in monthly security force casualties since March 2016 (a daily average of 1.8 between March 2016 and June 2016; compared to a daily average of 1.3 between November 2015 and February 2016).


It's bad enough that the PKK is killing Turkish soldiers on such a large scale (hardly a day goes by without such a ruthless murder), but it becomes even worse if you realize that Turkey still has the draft. Many Turkish soldiers are young boys who have to serve for a little over a year after finishing high school (or college).

These same killers are now active in northern Syria, where they are attempting to create their own little nation-state... from which they can then, undoubtedly, launch even more operations against Turkish soldiers and civilians.

The PKK and its affiliates do not deserve American support. It doesn't serve America's interests to support them, and, as the facts above prove, you cannot make a moral case for doing so either.

Trump, then, is one hundred percent right to bring the troops home   and   to let Turkey deal with the PKK as it sees fit.


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The People's Fish, Still "Hand Of The Queen"
1  seeder  The People's Fish, Still "Hand Of The Queen"    7 months ago

The Neocons in our government and on this site aren't telling you exactly who these kurds are. They are responsible for the slaughter of 40,000 innocent civilians in Turkey alone.

They are fighting for a Communist state.

We abandon a well funded group of communists who have no problem slaughtering innocent civilians.

It Is ME
2  It Is ME    7 months ago

"Strangely, now that he's doing what he promised on the campaign trail, political insiders are all upset."

How dare someone in politics really keep a promise. jrSmiley_55_smiley_image.gif

It's a regional issue...not OUR issue !

The People's Fish, Still "Hand Of The Queen"
2.1  seeder  The People's Fish, Still "Hand Of The Queen"  replied to  It Is ME @2    7 months ago

The YPG and PKK are affiliated, our media hopes we never research the acronyms. Poor Kurds..

It Is ME
2.1.1  It Is ME  replied to  The People's Fish, Still "Hand Of The Queen" @2.1    7 months ago
The YPG and PKK are affiliated, our media hopes we never research the acronyms.

Let the "Crab People" work out their own issues for a "Change".

Reminds me of something jrSmiley_18_smiley_image.gif :

charger 383
3  charger 383    7 months ago

It is much easier getting into situations than getting out

charger 383
4  charger 383    7 months ago

With the Kurds there was not a formal treaty ratified by the Senate, 

The People's Fish, Still "Hand Of The Queen"
4.1  seeder  The People's Fish, Still "Hand Of The Queen"  replied to  charger 383 @4    7 months ago

Why would we ever enter into a treaty with a militant wing of the Turkish Communist Party the MLKP ( Marksist-Leninist Komünist Partisi)

Turkey needs to dispose of the party and wipe out the militant groups, we stood in the way.

Here is a great article by a center left Arab magazine in the UK on the subject explaining the relationships.

6  Tacos!    7 months ago

Obama wasn't even inaugurated and he was being nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize he ended up winning a month after being sworn in. Trump campaigns on ending war, brings troops home and he's a monster. The world is inside out and upside down. 

No one around here who is outraged about our exit - in spite of me asking multiple times - has been able to define what our mission should be vis a vis the Kurds, what our military or financial commitment should be, how long it should go on, or how we could legally justify any of it.

7  Snuffy    7 months ago

I was not happy with the abrupt way we got out, especially now with word of the cease file agreement. There should have been a deal in place for the kurds to pull back before we left IMO. I still think that the way we left will come back to haunt future endeavors when we need allies.

But yes we did need to leave Syria. The left's argument about troops being sent into Saudi Arabia is a separate issue that should not be conflated with this one. Won't stop the critics from trying however.


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