The Man Who Oversaw The Raid To Kill Bin Laden Calls For Trump To Leave Office

  
By:  john-russell  •  one month ago  •  111 comments

The Man Who Oversaw The Raid To Kill Bin Laden Calls For Trump To Leave Office
If we are not the champions of the good and the right, then who will follow us? And if no one follows us -- where will the world end up?

Retired Admiral William McRaven , a Navy Seal who rose through the ranks to become the head of U.S. Special Operations, and the commander of the operation to catch or kill Osama bin Laden, has called for the president of the United States to leave office. 

In an op ed in the NYT today, McRaven says 


if this president doesn't demonstrate the leadership that America needs, both domestically and abroad, then it is time for a new person in the Oval Office -- Republican, Democrat or independent -- the sooner, the better. The fate of our Republic depends upon it.

if we don't care about our values, if we don't care about duty and honor, if we don't help the weak and stand up against oppression and injustice -- what will happen to the Kurds, the Iraqis, the Afghans, the Syrians, the Rohingyas, the South Sudanese and the millions of people under the boot of tyranny or left abandoned by their failing states?

If our promises are meaningless, how will our allies ever trust us? If we can't have faith in our nation's principles, why would the men and women of this nation join the military? And if they don't join, who will protect us? If we are not the champions of the good and the right, then who will follow us? And if no one follows us -- where will the world end up?

Now Trump will call McRaven names like he has done in the past. 

Last night Gen Mattis, Trump's former Secretary of Defense , said this in a speech 

"the only military officer Donald Trump doesnt think is over rated  is Colonel Sanders. "

and the audience laughed at the president of the United States. Just like the world is laughing at us. 


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JohnRussell
1  author  JohnRussell    one month ago

We're Under Attack From the President: [Op-Ed]

Mcraven, William H . New York Times , Late Edition (East Coast); New York, N.Y.   [New York, N.Y]18 Oct 2019: A.27.
.....beneath the outward sense of hope and duty that I witnessed at these two events, there was an underlying current of frustration, humiliation, anger and fear that echoed across the sidelines. The America that they believed in was under attack, not from without, but from within.

These men and women, of all political persuasions, have seen the assaults on our institutions: on the intelligence and law enforcement community, the State Department and the press. They have seen our leaders stand beside despots and strongmen, preferring their government narrative to our own. They have seen us abandon our allies and have heard the shouts of betrayal from the battlefield. As I stood on the parade field at Fort Bragg, one retired four-star general, grabbed my arm, shook me and shouted, "I don't like the Democrats, but  Trump  is destroying the Republic!"

Those words echoed with me throughout the week. It is easy to destroy an organization if you have no appreciation for what makes that organization great. We are not the most powerful nation in the world because of our aircraft carriers, our economy, or our seat at the United Nations Security Council. We are the most powerful nation in the world because we try to be the good guys. We are the most powerful nation in the world because our ideals of universal freedom and equality have been backed up by our belief that we were champions of justice, the protectors of the less fortunate.

But, if we don't care about our values, if we don't care about duty and honor, if we don't help the weak and stand up against oppression and injustice -- what will happen to the Kurds, the Iraqis, the Afghans, the Syrians, the Rohingyas, the South Sudanese and the millions of people under the boot of tyranny or left abandoned by their failing states?

If our promises are meaningless, how will our allies ever trust us? If we can't have faith in our nation's principles, why would the men and women of this nation join the military? And if they don't join, who will protect us? If we are not the champions of the good and the right, then who will follow us? And if no one follows us -- where will the world end up?

President  Trump  seems to believe that these qualities are unimportant or show weakness. He is wrong. These are the virtues that have sustained this nation for the past 243 years. If we hope to continue to lead the world and inspire a new generation of young men and women to our cause, then we must embrace these values now more than ever.

And if this president doesn't understand their importance, if this president doesn't demonstrate the leadership that America needs, both domestically and abroad, then it is time for a new person in the Oval Office -- Republican, Democrat or independent -- the sooner, the better. The fate of our Republic depends upon it.

William H. McRaven, a retired Navy admiral, is a former commander of the United States Special Operations Command and former chancellor of the University of Texas system.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
1.1  igknorantzrulz  replied to  JohnRussell @1    one month ago

I just scribbled this response to Fly on another seed.

It's something you might appreciate

.

the retarded comprehension dissabilities have reached new depths in Denial.

The mental midgets Lying, while defining anything ever negative as hoax fake news is just 

SO FCKN OFF THE CHARTS

even for the ma and pop tarts,

as it's below the charts,

wiping off the maps

of Sharpie unenhanced predictions from 

the PREDICTATOR wanna be   who only praises 'strong men ' leaders ' 

while being a weak minded 

fooling only the like.

.
And if You don't like,

it's about time to cease and insist, unless the mentally deficient can produce a coefficient argument, i'm going to have to pass on said argument.

As their inability to choose a choice worthy of a heard voice,

is larenghitus to  ear & knows throats 

doctored by DENIAL,    FALSE FAX,   PSEUDO REALITIES,   WITCH HUNTZ and praise on minds too week   

too dense

too invested in a Capitol Molested,

by a pussy grabbin back stabbin mentally misalighned segment in Americas History, that will be the embarrassmeant of our entire short of our meager 2 and a half men and their cent story

as HIS story,

should have been the fairy tale of course in Fiction, not the coarse cause of friction,

not,

the Reality forced upon US All that have been immune to the infection brought forth by minds too small that couldn't hear more than what they wanted to.

Depiction of what isn't Real, is not artificial Reality, for ANY AND ALL

still defending this unremovable STAIN

on Our WHITE HOUSE with the BLUE ADDRESS,

cause Trump BLOWS

all others a way that should have NEVER BEEN SWALLOWED !

.

.

yet they still can't spit it out, our countries future is left in the doubt

 
 
 
squiggy
1.2  squiggy  replied to  JohnRussell @1    one month ago

The left is the answer? The libs who believe Tulsi Gabbard is a Russian asset?

 
 
 
JBB
2  JBB    one month ago

There is no reason to not remove Trump from office...

 
 
 
NV-Robin6
2.1  NV-Robin6  replied to  JBB @2    one month ago

I applaud this brave hero for standing up.  Reality TV suddenly just got very real. 

I have to believe our boy/girl scouts will win this battle of the death of our democracy by putting country first. Putin and his puppets must go down in flames. 

 
 
 
JBB
2.1.1  JBB  replied to  NV-Robin6 @2.1    one month ago

It is time to end our long national nightmare...

Trumpism is a failure. It can't end too quickly.

 
 
 
NV-Robin6
2.1.2  NV-Robin6  replied to  JBB @2.1.1    one month ago

Hear, hear!

Its coming around! 

 
 
 
WallyW
2.2  WallyW  replied to  JBB @2    one month ago

Instead of unsuccessfully trying to impeach him, perhaps the Dems should put up a candidate who can beat him.

What a concept!   jrSmiley_24_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
MrFrost
2.2.1  MrFrost  replied to  WallyW @2.2    one month ago
Instead of unsuccessfully trying to impeach him

They haven't started yet... Pretty tough to lose a race before it starts. 

 
 
 
Tacos!
2.3  Tacos!  replied to  JBB @2    one month ago
There is no reason to not remove Trump from office...

There are several reasons.

We have a Constitution that determines how we select a president. Trump was elected in accordance with our laws. In little more than a year, we will have an election to see if he remains in office or if there will be a replacement. It is not necessary to remove him just a few months before the election. Doing so will exacerbate an already extreme political divide in this country.

Even if you believe every wrong thing said about Trump, we won't gain anything by removing him a few months early.

Removal will needlessly disrupt government with respect to domestic administration and international relations. Because people have been calling for impeachment since before he was even sworn in, it will confirm the fear that constant litigiousness is the path to winning power in this country and that elections are meaningless. You want to discourage voting? Keep trying to impeach the people who win elections.

Furthermore, I believe the timing of the current push to impeach is intentional and designed to disrupt the impending election. Democrats know that no one else has put together a campaign to run for the Republican nomination or the general election and this is an attempt to win by forfeit. It's dishonorable.

TL,DC: removing him offers little to no upside and guarantees several negatives.

 
 
 
Split Personality
2.3.1  Split Personality  replied to  Tacos! @2.3    one month ago
Removal will needlessly disrupt government with respect to domestic administration and international relations.

Come on man...

80% turnover in Political appointments? Almost everyone is now in an "acting status"?

Trump creates international incidents on a non encrypted cell phone for crying out loud...

Career state department people retiring or resigning by the dozens?

This week alone, Volker resigned, then Perry, one of the few Senate approved people who was left?

Let's face it, chaos is normal for Trump.  He heeds no ones advice.

It is not good for the nation.

The sooner Pence can step in, the better.

 
 
 
Tacos!
2.3.2  Tacos!  replied to  Split Personality @2.3.1    one month ago
The sooner Pence can step in, the better.

I'd prefer Pence (I'd prefer a lot of people actually), but he didn't get elected president. Sorry, but I'm a big believer in elections and I'm also a big believer in saving impeachment for extreme cases. I know this may disappoint some people, but I don't consider being a bumbling jackass to be extreme enough. I don't love this president, but for now, I'm content to wait the short time for the next election.

 
 
 
Split Personality
2.3.3  Split Personality  replied to  Tacos! @2.3.2    one month ago
I'd prefer Pence (I'd prefer a lot of people actually), but he didn't get elected president.

Pence was on the ticket for a reason, anyone who voted for Trump, voted for Pence.

but for now, I'm content to wait the short time for the next election.

He just passed the 2/3rds point recently and has about 458 days left. 

For many, that is not a short amount of time.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
2.3.4  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Split Personality @2.3.3    one month ago
Pence was on the ticket for a reason, anyone who voted for Trump, voted for Pence.

he was there to spell potatoe 

 
 
 
Dulay
2.3.5  Dulay  replied to  Tacos! @2.3    one month ago
We have a Constitution that determines how we select a president.

That same Constitution also determines how the remove a president that has committed Impeachable offenses. 

Even if you believe every wrong thing said about Trump, we won't gain anything by removing him a few months early. Removal will needlessly disrupt government with respect to domestic administration and international relations. 

Judging from the clusterfuck that Trump has perpetrated in the last couple of months, why should  the country be subjected to 14 more months of it?

Furthermore, I believe the timing of the current push to impeach is intentional and designed to disrupt the impending election. 

You have got to be kidding?

So your posit is that the Democrats PLANNED Trump's phone call, the DNI refusal to release the whistleblower complaint and forced Barr to blow off the criminal referrals.

Hilarious. 

 
 
 
Tacos!
2.3.6  Tacos!  replied to  Dulay @2.3.5    one month ago
So

The first word used when someone wants to twist the meaning of what someone else has said.

 
 
 
Dulay
2.3.7  Dulay  replied to  Tacos! @2.3.6    one month ago
The first word used when someone wants to twist the meaning of what someone else has said.

Thank you so much for your 'urban dictionary' version of the English language. 

Now, how about you tell me how my interpretation of you posit is incorrect. 

 
 
 
Tacos!
2.3.8  Tacos!  replied to  Dulay @2.3.7    one month ago
Now, how about you tell me how my interpretation of you posit is incorrect. 

You mean detail how you lied about what I said? Sure, it's your funeral. You said,

So your posit is that the Democrats PLANNED Trump's phone call

You made that up. It's a fantasy. It's a lie. You even put your fantasy in all caps. Amazing. I never said the Democrats planned Trump's call. I never said they had anything to do with it. 

And then you called it

Hilarious

Yes. It is hilarious. You invented a straw man argument that you could mock and defeat. But a straw man is a made up thing. Really, it's more hilarious that you insist on doing it. Or maybe it's just sad.

There's no point in pretending you didn't know what I was talking about because I stated it plainly. I'll quote the key part and bold the really key parts.

I believe the timing of the current push to impeach is intentional and designed to disrupt the impending election.

That is: Democrats have been talking about impeachment since before Trump was sworn in, so they didn't need a specific "high crime or misdemeanor." They just needed the right timing so that it would benefit them the most.

I don't go through this because I think you need it explained to you. I do it to publicly illustrate how obviously and easily you ignored what I actually wrote to create your hilarious straw man. And because you literally asked for it.

 
 
 
Dulay
2.3.9  Dulay  replied to  Tacos! @2.3.8    one month ago
You mean detail how you lied about what I said? Sure, it's your funeral. You said,
So your posit is that the Democrats PLANNED Trump's phone call 
You made that up. It's a fantasy. It's a lie. You even put your fantasy in all caps. Amazing. 

Then WTF did you mean by the timing being 'intentional and designed'?

BTFW, a synonym for intentional is PLANNED. 

Yes. It is hilarious. You invented a straw man argument that you could mock and defeat. But a straw man is a made up thing. Really, it's more hilarious that you insist on doing it. Or maybe it's just sad.

Well gee, you can prove that by answering my questions in this post. 

I never said the Democrats planned Trump's call. I never said they had anything to do with it.

There's no point in pretending you didn't know what I was talking about because I stated it plainly. I'll quote the key part and bold the really key parts.

I believe the timing of the current push to impeach is intentional and designed to disrupt the impending election.

Oh so you had someone other than Democrats in mind that are responsible for the 'current push to impeach'. WHO?  

That is: Democrats have been talking about impeachment since before Trump was sworn in, so they didn't need a specific "high crime or misdemeanor." They just needed the right timing so that it would benefit them the most.

Well there you go Tacos!, you DID mean Democrats.

See there, no fantasy, no strawman, no lie. I wasn't 'pretending' that I didn't know what you were talking about, YOU were pretending you weren't talking about Democrats, when you WERE. 

I don't go through this because I think you need it explained to you. I do it to publicly illustrate how obviously and easily you ignored what I actually wrote to create your hilarious straw man. And because you literally asked for it.

Oh thank you SO much for that lesson in supercilious obfuscation.  

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
2.3.10  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  igknorantzrulz @2.3.4    one month ago

I hope he didn't ask Al Gore how to spell it.

 
 
 
Tessylo
2.3.11  Tessylo  replied to  Split Personality @2.3.1    4 weeks ago

The 'president' has always had an unsecured cell phone yet but but Hillary's e-mails. 

 
 
 
Ronin2
2.4  Ronin2  replied to  JBB @2    4 weeks ago

Fuck rule of law right? Fuck precedence right? 

Just remember this for the next Democratic president.

Impeachment on purely political motives is now acceptable.

 
 
 
Split Personality
2.4.1  Split Personality  replied to  Ronin2 @2.4    4 weeks ago
Fuck the rule of law right?

Nope, the Constitution says that the power of impeachment resides in the House and they determine the procedures.

Fuck precedence right?

Why not, it means nothing to this Administration.

Just remember this for the next Democratic president.

Why?  These games started in 1774 with the First Continental Congress and won't abate in our lives either.

Impeachment on purely political motives is now acceptable.

Always has been, probably always will be.

Andrew Johnson, Richard Nixon, Bill Clinton.

https://time.com/5552679/impeached-presidents/

 
 
 
MUVA
3  MUVA    one month ago

The seals that performed the mission do not I personally know two of them.

 
 
 
NV-Robin6
3.1  NV-Robin6  replied to  MUVA @3    one month ago

Well I know 5 seals who side with him!

 
 
 
MUVA
3.1.1  MUVA  replied to  NV-Robin6 @3.1    one month ago

Sorry no you don't see my avatar the seals I know were in that boat.

 
 
 
MUVA
3.1.2  MUVA  replied to  NV-Robin6 @3.1    one month ago

You probably don't even know where seal team 6 is located.

 
 
 
Ronin2
3.1.3  Ronin2  replied to  NV-Robin6 @3.1    one month ago

https://www.pinterest.com/lynnk017/harp-seals/

Here you go.

Can't say I personally know any of them; but I will say I trust their opinion far more than Establishment bullshitters.

 
 
 
loki12
3.1.4  loki12  replied to  MUVA @3.1.2    one month ago

I worked with Dave W, we may have crossed paths at sometime, small world sometimes.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
3.1.5  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Ronin2 @3.1.3    one month ago

You're calling the 

Admiral William McRaven, 

an Establishment bullshitter...?

Please elaborate on that which you claim with evidence.

 
 
 
Ronin2
3.1.6  Ronin2  replied to  igknorantzrulz @3.1.5    4 weeks ago

The military has become as political as Washington has. 

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/pentagon-congress/2018/10/17/troops-see-rising-political-tension-in-the-ranks-poll-shows/

Oh and Mr unbiased received the appointment from Obama. If you didn't kiss Obama's ass, you were shown the door, and attacked by the media on the way out.

https://www.achievement.org/achiever/admiral-william-h-mcraven/

President Obama promoted McRaven to four-star admiral in April and nominated him to serve as the ninth commander of the USSOC, with responsibility of the entire special operations community. While the Senate considered the appointment, McRaven quietly proceeded with plans for the operation to eliminate Bin Laden.

No bias on his part what-so-ever./S

 
 
 
Split Personality
3.1.7  Split Personality  replied to  Ronin2 @3.1.6    4 weeks ago

One reaches a certain point in one's military career where you are either promoted to an available slot,

or you are passed over and are given your "retire by date".

Obama had nothing to do with the timing of McRaven's Promotion Board, he just happened to be the prson in the Oval Office at the right time for McRaven.

While the Senate considered the appointment, McRaven quietly proceeded with plans for the operation to eliminate Bin Laden.

No bias, just another SEAL doing his job...

 
 
 
devangelical
3.1.8  devangelical  replied to  Split Personality @3.1.7    4 weeks ago

my uncle retired as a colonel after being told he would have to serve at the pentagon for 5 years to make general. he didn't feel like emptying trash cans and serving coffee for that long.

 
 
 
loki12
3.1.9  loki12  replied to  devangelical @3.1.8    4 weeks ago

You should be proud knowing your Uncle was a man of honor and not a political ass kisser like McRaven

 
 
 
devangelical
3.1.10  devangelical  replied to  loki12 @3.1.9    4 weeks ago

he's a typical trumpster moron now, but I give him a pass since he served his country, did 3 tours in the SE asian war games, received 2 battlefield commissions, a bronze star, a silver star, a purple heart, and was on the team that rescued a general from the red brigade in europe. he's always the first to violate the no politics rule at holiday meals. I don't let that slide though.

 
 
 
loki12
3.1.11  loki12  replied to  devangelical @3.1.10    4 weeks ago
he's always the first to violate the no politics rule at holiday meals

That and religion are an evictable offense in our house.   Glad that you can give him a little grace in the matter, old war horses can be difficult to control, but invaluable when needed. 

 
 
 
devangelical
3.1.12  devangelical  replied to  loki12 @3.1.11    4 weeks ago

we blame his current mental state on past agent orange exposure

 
 
 
loki12
3.1.13  loki12  replied to  devangelical @3.1.12    4 weeks ago

The VA's actually have a fund for treatment and compensation for those who were exposed, This is in all seriousness. don't go to the VA itself go to the VA advocacy office. 

He is entitled to compensation if he was exposed, and if he is too stubborn, His wife has rights. 

 
 
 
lib50
3.2  lib50  replied to  MUVA @3    one month ago

The special forces do NOT support the decimation of US leadership in the world.  The military is finally speaking out. Mattis is coming out swinging too. 

On another note, how do conservatives feel about Trump and his family personally trying to profit off his properties?  The G7 at a Trump property?  Gop has lost its entire supposed 'values'.  Guess the next dem president can pretty much do whatever they want.  Conservatives want Russia to take over our place in the world, and Trump has just handed it to Putin on a fricken gold platter.  Gop is working against the USA openly now. 

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
3.2.1  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  lib50 @3.2    one month ago

I just watched Mattis roast Trump.  It was hilarious.

 
 
 
Tacos!
3.2.2  Tacos!  replied to  lib50 @3.2    one month ago
The military is finally speaking out.

Which is actually not their role.

 
 
 
Dulay
3.2.3  Dulay  replied to  Tacos! @3.2.2    4 weeks ago
Which is actually not their role.

Which would infer that John Kelly, Jocko Willink, Pete Hegseth and the rest of the RW pundits that were in the military should STFU. 

 
 
 
Krishna
3.3  Krishna  replied to  MUVA @3    4 weeks ago
The seals that performed the mission do not I personally know two of them.

Well I personally know 100 of them!

I am more popular than you are...nyah, nyah, nyah, nyah!

I will tell your mommy..! 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
4  Vic Eldred    one month ago

Oh, is that retired Admiral William McRaven?  John Brennan's buddy?  The same McRaven who condemned Trump for revoking Brennan's security clearance?

Then that settles it! Yup, the President should resign and tell Pence to do the same so Nancy Pelosi can become das Fuhrer!

 
 
 
JohnRussell
4.1  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @4    one month ago

Last night Gen Mattis, Trump's former Secretary of Defense , said this in a speech 

"the only military officer Donald Trump doesnt think is over rated  is Colonel Sanders. "

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
4.1.1  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1    one month ago
"the only military officer Donald Trump doesnt think is over rated  is Colonel Sanders. "

That's a bit out of character for Mattis to talk like that, could you give me a link?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
4.1.2  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1.1    one month ago

He made a speech at the Al Smith dinner last night in NY city. 

Mattis takes shots at Trump: The only colonel he thinks isn't overrated is Colonel Sanders

BY   ASSOCIATED PRESS

  OCTOBER 18, 2019 10:00 AM

Former Secretary of Defense Jim Mattis repeatedly took shots at President Trump during Thursday's Alfred E. Smith Memorial Foundation Dinner in New York City.

https://www.bradenton.com/news/politics-government/article236400183.html

 
 
 
JohnRussell
4.1.3  author  JohnRussell  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.2    one month ago
He said: "I earned my spurs on the battlefield... and Donald Trump earned his spurs in a letter from a doctor."
 
 
 
Tessylo
4.1.4  Tessylo  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.2    one month ago

He better look out or he'll get fired.  Oh wait   .    .    .

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
4.1.5  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1.1    one month ago

It was a roast event.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
4.1.6  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.2    one month ago

It's reassuring to see the context of how those statements were made. Everyone should view that film. You will see Mattis making jokes from a written text which his eyes seldom stray from.  It was quite funny.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
4.1.7  Vic Eldred  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @4.1.5    one month ago
It was a roast event.

That's right and those were jokes.......unless of course, one is a progressive!

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
4.1.8  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1.7    one month ago

That's right and those were jokes.......unless of course, one is a progressive!

So, are you attempting to speak for Mattis, as those 'jokes' are Mattis's words, and obviously, Chosen by him to recite.

Do you recall how mattis did resign, as it may have had something to do with the Kurds.

He fely so strongly about Trump FCKN over our allies,

HE QUIT

Those are Mattis's Words and thoughts, but being an honerable man that has always obeyed orders in the chain of command,

this venue gave him the opportunity

to express his 

TRUE FEELINGS.

Live with the disgrace to the office you defend !

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
4.1.9  Vic Eldred  replied to  igknorantzrulz @4.1.8    one month ago
So, are you attempting to speak for Mattis

Mattis does well speaking for himself.

HE QUIT

He had a disagreement with two presidents. He resigned from the Trump administration and was fired without so much as a phone call by the radical Obama.

Progressives need to learn the difference between humorous statements and serious ones. Mattis dosen't go around defaming people. That's what progressives do.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
4.1.10  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1.9    one month ago

you have your take, i'll have mine

.

when the book comes out, you'll find i was right

 
 
 
MrFrost
4.1.11  MrFrost  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1    4 weeks ago

"the only military officer Donald Trump doesnt think is over rated  is Colonel Sanders. "

I saw that, have to admit that was DAMN funny. 

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
4.1.12  FLYNAVY1  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.3    4 weeks ago

That was a classic......

 
 
 
Tessylo
4.1.13  Tessylo  replied to  MrFrost @4.1.11    4 weeks ago

So fucking true.  KFC is one of the 4 food groups to this 'president'

 
 
 
lib50
4.2  lib50  replied to  Vic Eldred @4    one month ago

Well its nice to see the conservatives here finally be honest about their values.  Anything BUT American interests.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
4.2.1  Vic Eldred  replied to  lib50 @4.2    one month ago
Anything BUT American interests.

Like being able to accept the results of an election?

 
 
 
1stwarrior
5  1stwarrior    one month ago

Op-Ed - 'nuff said.

 
 
 
lib50
5.1  lib50  replied to  1stwarrior @5    one month ago

Go talk to some special forces, past and present.  And think about how you'd feel if your loved one was serving in the military and their future is being part of working with allies in conflicts.  Now NOBODY, and I mean NOBODY will trust the word of the US in the foreseeable future.  Decades.  Maybe more.

 
 
 
Ronin2
5.1.1  Ronin2  replied to  lib50 @5.1    4 weeks ago

Bullshit. First sign of trouble they will be screaming for our help. Our "allies" can't do shit for themselves.

 
 
 
Dulay
5.1.2  Dulay  replied to  Ronin2 @5.1.1    4 weeks ago
Bullshit. First sign of trouble they will be screaming for our help. Our "allies" can't do shit for themselves.

You know that asking us for military help and TRUSTING our word are two different things right? 

 
 
 
Ronin2
5.1.3  Ronin2  replied to  Dulay @5.1.2    4 weeks ago

You obviously didn't read lib50's post.

If they didn't trust us they wouldn't scream for our help. They couldn't depend on the military coming, in what capacity, or how long.

Funny how the Kurds won't trust us now after the US has betrayed them several times already. Bush Sr betrayed them by not backing them militarily after calling for Saddam's ouster; Bush Jr and Obama betrayed them by withdrawing troops from Iraq leaving them caught between angry former Sunni military and an Iraqi government loyal to Iran; and now Trump "betrays" them by withdrawing troops from Syria- and somehow this time is different and much, much worse? TDDS at it's finest.

Funny how the left aren't blasting the British or French. They were supposed to send in more troops so the US could depart Syria; but they beat us the hell out the door. What about their betrayal of both the US and the Kurds?

Our "allies" are only good at sucking down US money, assets, and wasting US soldiers lives. 

 
 
 
loki12
6  loki12    one month ago

A career politician whose very existence was based on war, and spent his life worrying about promotion and his next star hates the president who doesn’t want to fight wars.  I’m shocked!

 
 
 
lib50
6.1  lib50  replied to  loki12 @6    one month ago

Try listening to Mattis and McCraven.  More will be coming out.  Trump is an unmitigated disaster for our foreign policy.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
6.2  igknorantzrulz  replied to  loki12 @6    one month ago

[deleted]

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
6.2.1  igknorantzrulz  replied to  igknorantzrulz @6.2    one month ago

i should be able to exercise my thoughtlessness as often as my detractors, besides, the demon voices in my head have great thoughts and cardio, as i exorcise them often

 
 
 
MrFrost
6.3  MrFrost  replied to  loki12 @6    one month ago

A career politician whose very existence was based on war, and spent his life worrying about promotion and his next star hates the president who doesn’t want to fight wars.  I’m shocked!

I would wager that he knows a lot more than military operations than trump does. Most vets and a large portion of the current US military do not support trump. They used to, but between his draft dodging and screwing over vets....not anymore. 

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
6.3.1  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  MrFrost @6.3    one month ago

Of course you have a link to substantiate those claims right?

 
 
 
loki12
6.3.2  loki12  replied to  MrFrost @6.3    one month ago
I would wager that he knows a lot more than military operations than trump does.

What a brilliant observation, but if we aren't at war, then who cares what the fucktard has to say. that IS the point!

 
 
 
loki12
6.3.3  loki12  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @6.3.1    one month ago

Sorry Jim, I can't hear what you have to say over the crickets.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
6.3.4  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  loki12 @6.3.3    one month ago

jrSmiley_10_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
MrFrost
6.3.5  MrFrost  replied to  loki12 @6.3.2    one month ago
what the fucktard has to say.

Nice that you think so little of vets. /s

 
 
 
Split Personality
6.4  Split Personality  replied to  loki12 @6    one month ago
A career politician whose very existence was based on war, and spent his life worrying about promotion

That's an oxymoron.

McCraven is a 37 year Navy veteran ( SEAL ) and never had the time to be a career politician.

He retired in 2014 and became the Chancellor of the University of Texas System (the 14 universities run by the State of Texas)

He retired from that position last year.

 
 
 
loki12
6.4.1  loki12  replied to  Split Personality @6.4    one month ago
( SEAL )

Who got kicked to the curb by Marcinko, who said, He took the special out of special warfare.  

 
 
 
Split Personality
6.4.2  Split Personality  replied to  loki12 @6.4.1    one month ago

Well, congratulations, you can read Wikipedia. 

So, as a junior officer McRaven did not get along with a superior officer and was reassigned. Big deal, it happens all of the time. As far as "Dick" Marcinko goes, it happened more often than than the norm.  It was often a 'generational' difference of opinion.

Here's the rest of that paragraph.

McRaven later returned as a squadron commander at Naval Special Warfare Development Group, and has commanded at every level within the special operations community, including assignments as platoon commander at Underwater Demolition Team 21/SEAL Team Four, Executive Officer of SEAL Team One , task unit commander during the Persian Gulf War , task group commander in the CENTCOM area of responsibility, deputy commander for operations at JSOC, Commodore of Naval Special Warfare Group 1 from 1999 to 2001 and commanding officer of SEAL Team Three at Coronado, CA.

McRaven earned his master's degree at the Naval Postgraduate School in Monterey, California, in 1993. McRaven's thesis was titled "The Theory of Special Operations" (republished in 1995 as Spec Ops: Case Studies in Special Operations Warfare: Theory and Practice ). [12]

McRaven has also served as a staff officer with an interagency coordination focus, including as the director for Strategic Planning in the Office of Combating Terrorism on the National Security Council Staff, assessment director at U.S. Special Operations Command, on the Staff of the Chief of Naval Operations and the chief of staff at Naval Special Warfare Group 1.

...
Operation Neptune Spear

McRaven is credited for organizing and overseeing the execution of Operation Neptune Spear , [15] the special ops raid that led to the death of Osama bin Laden on May 2, 2011. CIA Director Leon Panetta delegated the raid to McRaven, who had worked almost exclusively on counter-terrorism operations and strategy since 2001. [15]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_H._McRaven

512

Once a SEAL, always a SEAL as evidenced by the device on his uniform.

 
 
 
loki12
6.4.3  loki12  replied to  Split Personality @6.4.2    one month ago

                                            Once a SEAL, always a SEAL as evidenced by the device on his uniform.

[Deleted]  McRaven was a dick, and hated by his men, Mattis was a soldiers General, McRaven a hack. Period!

 
 
 
Split Personality
6.4.4  Split Personality  replied to  loki12 @6.4.3    one month ago
McRaven was a dick, and hated by his men, Mattis was a soldiers General, McRaven a hack. Period!

Prove it. Otherwise your comment is just pure unadulterated hatred by an anonymous voice on the internet,

I am sure Bill doesn't  give a fuck what you think, in spite of the 37 years he spent defending your right to embarrass yourself

with such vitriol for a complete stranger.

( deleted) sure,

That's why Marcinko, was retired as a Commander ( O-5 ) ( he never came close to flag rank),

and McRaven retired as an O-10 Admiral, equal in rank to Mattis who had his share of detractors.

.

In your opinion, military rank must be earned depending on how your subordinates feel about you jrSmiley_10_smiley_image.gif . (/s)

.

Your original remark about McRaven being a career politician is still wrong.  Dead wrong.

.

Your floundering around to save face afterwords is just embarrassing.

Please stop.

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
6.4.5  Freedom Warrior  replied to  Split Personality @6.4.4    one month ago

 Well that’s a stinging rebuke of McRaven glad you cleared it up for me

 
 
 
loki12
6.4.6  loki12  replied to  Split Personality @6.4.4    one month ago

fucktard is too kind for That POS! So when did you serve under that fucktards command?  The left called general Patreaus, betrayus, until Obama named him CIA chief, then they all lined up to suck his dick.

talk about embarrassing, and if you find something embarrassing, then I would recommend that they continue that behavior because it will lead to success!

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
6.4.7  Freedom Warrior  replied to  loki12 @6.4.6    one month ago

this ought to get interesting

 
 
 
loki12
6.4.8  loki12  replied to  Freedom Warrior @6.4.7    one month ago

Obama murdered Americans without due process, and trumps the bad guy. These fuckers have no moral high ground anymore.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
6.4.9  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Freedom Warrior @6.4.7    one month ago
this ought to get interesting

What ?

You two playing Footsie ,  under the table while no one else is around ?

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
6.4.10  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Freedom Warrior @6.4.5    one month ago

 Well that’s a stinging rebuke of McRaven glad you cleared it up for me

I thought he set the record straight rather

Admirably for the Admired Admiral

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
6.4.11  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  loki12 @6.4.6    4 weeks ago

when did you serve under that fucktards command

When did you?

 
 
 
MrFrost
6.4.12  MrFrost  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @6.4.11    4 weeks ago

When did you?

Careful, they will accuse you of, "stolen valor", then when proven wrong they'll cry about it. 

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
6.4.13  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  MrFrost @6.4.12    4 weeks ago

I have 3 DD 214's that proves I am legit.

 
 
 
Dulay
6.4.14  Dulay  replied to  loki12 @6.4.6    4 weeks ago
The left called general Patreaus, betrayus, until Obama named him CIA chief, then they all lined up to suck his dick.

Petraeus didn't become General Betrayus until AFTER he got caught giving his mistress Code Name Top Secret information and then LYING about it to the FBI.

That happened a year AFTER he was confirmed for Director by Congress 94-0. 

Fail.

 
 
 
Krishna
6.4.15  Krishna  replied to  loki12 @6.4.8    4 weeks ago
Obama murdered Americans without due process,

Link?

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
6.4.16  Freedom Warrior  replied to  igknorantzrulz @6.4.10    4 weeks ago

You read it wrong but there’s nothing new about that

 
 
 
loki12
6.4.17  loki12  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @6.4.11    4 weeks ago

None of your business, but I still serve as a contractor, when did you serve under the fucktard? And exactly which of his policies did you think were good for special ops?

 
 
 
loki12
6.4.18  loki12  replied to  Dulay @6.4.14    4 weeks ago
Fail.

Yes you did......Badly!!!!

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Decision2008/story?id=3581727&page=1

https://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/09/20/bush.petraeus/

Odickhead the daft wasn't President in 2007......Complete fail!

June 30, 2011 -   Unanimously confirmed  by the US Senate as the next director of the Central Intelligence Agency.

So anything actually factual to add?

 
 
 
loki12
6.4.19  loki12  replied to  Krishna @6.4.15    4 weeks ago

Really? Holy shit you don't know about the criminal dickheads actions and yet you attack trump? WOW

https://www.amnestyusa.org/is-it-legal-for-the-u-s-to-kill-a-16-year-old-u-s-citizen-with-a-drone/

Plus look up anwar al alaki.  he was a terrorist, that is the administrations position, no trial, no charges, just a state sponsored execution......It's going to be fun to see the liberals outrage when trump decides that his enemies are terrorist and orders them executed.  

 
 
 
Dulay
6.4.20  Dulay  replied to  loki12 @6.4.18    4 weeks ago
So anything actually factual to add?

Why yes, YES I do. 

MoveOn, doesn't constitute 'the left'. 

BTFW, what did 'the left' call Petraeus before 2007? 

 
 
 
loki12
6.4.21  loki12  replied to  Dulay @6.4.20    4 weeks ago

And CNN.......And you are still wrong.

 
 
 
loki12
6.4.22  loki12  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @6.4.13    4 weeks ago

[Deleted]

 
 
 
Ronin2
6.4.23  Ronin2  replied to  Dulay @6.4.14    4 weeks ago

You should really do some research before you make erroneous statements.

http://nation.time.com/2011/08/31/a-final-salute-for-insert-nickname-here/

Liberal activists, who turned on him as he tried to push the Bush Administration’s Iraq surge strategy in 2007, took out a full-page ad in the New York Times labeling him General Betray Us .

The left despised him when he worked for Bush.  That is when General Betray Us started. But by all means keep being wrong.

 
 
 
It Is ME
7  It Is ME    one month ago

"And if no one follows us -- where will the world end up?"

ARE ….. We being "Followed" ? jrSmiley_19_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
7.1  igknorantzrulz  replied to  It Is ME @7    one month ago

youhave to follow along to know who is not following you, ME

 
 
 
It Is ME
7.1.1  It Is ME  replied to  igknorantzrulz @7.1    one month ago
youhave to follow along to know who is not following you, ME

Well …..it's definitely not you ! jrSmiley_10_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
7.1.2  igknorantzrulz  replied to  It Is ME @7.1.1    one month ago
Well

i said it was you ME, not 'ME' you don't    stand

                                                                 under

 
 
 
It Is ME
7.1.3  It Is ME  replied to  igknorantzrulz @7.1.2    one month ago
i said it was you ME, not 'ME' you don't    stand                                                                  under

No !

You actually  posted (7.1  igknorantzrulz) :

"youhave to follow along to know who is not following you, ME"

jrSmiley_88_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
7.1.4  igknorantzrulz  replied to  It Is ME @7.1.3    one month ago
"youhave to follow along to know who is not following you, ME"

is it ME, or It Is ME, who's eyes are spinning as they are obviously dizzy attempting to follow what i prefer to not lead into unless well read illiterate literature is melted into a lead pot melting lead down to that which will burden and way you down to you drink N drown in my thoughts you stated weren't leading youto the dizzying depths you willingly continue to sink, when attemptting to out

think i'm gonna go    out and drink as It Is Me, and what i choose, so don't think It Is ME You, that will ever decide what it is i due

 
 
 
It Is ME
7.1.5  It Is ME  replied to  igknorantzrulz @7.1.4    one month ago

Read the Book ! jrSmiley_88_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
7.1.6  igknorantzrulz  replied to  It Is ME @7.1.5    one month ago

Read the Book !

the other one i wrote...

 
 
 
It Is ME
7.1.7  It Is ME  replied to  igknorantzrulz @7.1.6    one month ago
the other one i wrote...

Amidst mechanical gibberish from malfunctioning..... There really is a cake ?

 
 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
8.1  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Krishna @8    4 weeks ago

Another rat leaves the sinking ship.  Welcome to dry land JK.

 
 
 
Ronin2
8.2  Ronin2  replied to  Krishna @8    4 weeks ago

Kasich works for CNN. If he wants to keep his job he will toe his boss's line.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/18/politics/kasich-calls-for-trump-impeachment/index.html

Former Ohio Gov. John Kasich said President Donald Trump should be impeached, a major switch for a former Republican presidential candidate who had previously said there was not enough evidence to impeach the President.

Kasich, who's a CNN senior political commentator, told CNN's Ana Cabrera Friday the "final straw" for him was White House acting chief of staff Mick Mulvaney's Thursday admission that military aid was withheld from Ukraine in order to pressure that country for investigations into Democrats.
"But if you are asking me if I was sitting in the House of Representatives today and you were to ask me how do I feel, do I think impeachment should move forward and should go for a full examination and a trial in the United States Senate, my vote would be yes." Kasich said on CNN's "Newsroom."
Kaisch's support for impeachment breaks with his party's overall stance. While he did not directly call for Trump's removal from office, stating he would need to see the articles of impeachment before making that decision, his statements make Kasich one of the few high profile Republicans who have agreed with Democrats that Trump should impeached.
Kasich had previously said in interviews that he did not think Trump shoud be impeached because he didn't see a clear quid pro quo.
"In reading that transcript, I did not see a clear quid pro quo," Kasich said in an October 8 interview on "CNN Tonight."
"If you have an impeachment that doesn't bring the Republicans along, and this is done strictly along party line votes, this is going to end up not helping this country," he added,
Sell out is too nice of a term.
 
 
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