The Bullshit You Have to Believe to Be a Republican in 2019

  
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The Bullshit You Have to Believe to Be a Republican in 2019
2+2=5 ........Yesterday, you believed in moral clarity. Today, you believe in Trump.

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Matt Lewis

Being a loyal Republican in 2019 requires accepting a few new things. 

The list has grown to include believing that Gen. James Mattis is  "the world's most overrated general ," that Mitt Romney is a " Democrat secret asset ," that Nancy Pelosi is a " third-rate  (or is it third-grade?) politician," and that Donald Trump is a "stable genius." Thursday, that expanded to believing it’s perfectly normal, and OK, to host world leaders at a Trump resort in Miami.

In other words, it requires gaslighting yourself.

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Part and parcel of this is the relinquishing of things that were once sacrosanct. 

A week ago, you might have thought the Kurds were America’s friends and allies. Yesterday, you supported a president who  says the Kurds are  “probably worse at terror, and more of a terrorist threat in many ways than ISIS.” Today, you applaud Trump for announcing a deal to end the war against them them he green-lit.

Once upon a time “Mad Dog” Mattis (and no,  Trump didn’t invent that nickname ) was a tough-as-nails warrior. Today, he’s overrated. A joke. Likewise, for years, John Bolton was a top foreign policy commentator at Fox News. But after being pushed out as Trump’s national security adviser, he is now regarded as a “ man of the left .”

Just as the Soviets would airbrush people out of pictures, adhering to Trumpian dogma requires Jedi mind tricks to match what you’ve always believed to the latest evolving propaganda. 

It’s not so much that the GOP has changed positions or re-ordered. That would, at least, be coherent and understandable. Instead, what we have is a constantly-changing, often capricious, new dogma that asks us to believe  2+2 is 5 and that we’ve always been at war with Eastasia. 

In some ways, the evolving narratives are predictable. On Oct. 9, for example,  I asked : “Who’ll be the first Trumper out of the box with the ‘You think the Kurds are angels?’ take....”  A week later, Trump himself said that “they’re no angels.” 

Of course, Trump doesn’t always demand complete conformity. It is now acceptable, for example, to believe that Trump did something “bad” on that Ukraine call—so long as they hasten to add that  it wasn’t impeachable

Being a loyal Republican involves tying yourself in knots either by suspending disbelief or choosing to humiliate yourself and subjugate your conscience. 

The cumulative result is a Grand New Party that is literally unrecognizable. 



Let’s say you once believed it was important for America to demonstrate moral clarity and to be a force for good in the world. You recall how Ronald Reagan’s rhetoric was so important to making the moral case for freedom that it even  inspired prisoners in the Soviet Gulag . Today, you support a president who makes deals with the Communist Chinese to  look the other way on Hong Kong  and not support the democracy protests. 

Perhaps you remember a time when Cuban refugees and Indochina saw America as a beacon of hope, and the Republican Party in a positive light. Maybe you remember the story from  Reagan’s farewell address , where one of the boat people greets an American sailor with the words, "Hello, American sailor - Hello, Freedom Man." 

Today, you belong to a cult that views this kind of naive hospitality, not as a sign of American exceptionalism or greatness, but as a sign of weakness—another example of us being saps. 

Maybe you grew up watching movies like  Mission in Action  and once had reverence for the POW-MIA flags. 

Today, you prefer heroes who don’t get captured. 

Maybe you were a free market conservative. 

Today, you’re supporting a president who thinks trade wars are good and easy to win. Or maybe you were a  green eyeshade conservative  who was worried about tacking the debt (“before it tackles us”),  how’s that working out for ya ?

Or maybe you were a social conservative who cared about family values and was outraged by Bill Clinton’s behavior, and supported his impeachment. 

Today, you support a thrice-married casino magnate who pays off porn stars and brags about grabbing women by their privates. 

And, whatever sort of conservative you were, today you are vehemently opposed to impeachment (which, let’s be honest, is really a deep-state coup).

Once upon a time, the conservative coalition was said to be a three-legged stool, which consisted of national security conservatives, fiscal conservatives, and social conservatives. Today, being a loyal Republican means kicking over the stool. It also means that there’s literally nothing the next Democratic president could do or say that would allow you to criticize him or her without being a hypocrite. 

In Trump’s America, the only reason to be a Republican is because there is an assumption (based on identity politics and your immutable characteristics) that this is your tribe—and that you fear the left is out to get you. 

That’s a pretty sad commentary for a party and a movement that used to believe in some pretty big and important things. 

















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JohnRussell
1  seeder  JohnRussell    one month ago
In some ways, the evolving narratives are predictable. On Oct. 9, for example,   I asked  : “Who’ll be the first Trumper out of the box with the ‘You think the Kurds are angels?’ take....”  A week later, Trump himself said that “they’re no angels.” 

Of course, Trump doesn’t always demand complete conformity. It is now acceptable, for example, to believe that Trump did something “bad” on that Ukraine call—so long as they hasten to add that   it wasn’t impeachable  . 

Being a loyal Republican involves tying yourself in knots either by suspending disbelief or choosing to humiliate yourself and subjugate your conscience. 

The cumulative result is a Grand New Party that is literally unrecognizable. 
 
 
 
JohnRussell
2  seeder  JohnRussell    one month ago
Lewis is a frequent commentator on cable television and radio who has appeared as a political commentator "from the right" for  CNN  in 2016, [18]  and has appeared multiple times on  Real Time with Bill Maher . [19] [20]  Since February 2009, he has represented the conservative viewpoint on  Bloggingheads.tv 's weekly discussion of U.S. politics, opposite  Bill Scher . [3]
 
 
 
It Is ME
3  It Is ME    one month ago

" The Bullshit You Have to Believe to Be a Republican in 2019 "

Republicans don't "HAVE TO" believe anything.

We....unlike "Others" jrSmiley_80_smiley_image.gif …… are actually allowed to " Think " for ourselves ! jrSmiley_22_smiley_image.gif

Not Choosing the "Other Guy"....makes you ….ummm ….. Russian ? jrSmiley_97_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
MrFrost
3.1  MrFrost  replied to  It Is ME @3    one month ago
Republicans don't "HAVE TO" believe anything.

Yet the vast majority do. Trump has floated what, 23 conspiracy theories since he took office and his believes every fucking one of them, every single time. "Windmills cause cancer!!!", his base bought that one too. Sad. 

 
 
 
It Is ME
3.1.1  It Is ME  replied to  MrFrost @3.1    one month ago
Yet the vast majority do.

Isn't honest "Choice" …… GREAT ? jrSmiley_13_smiley_image.gif

Me.....I just worry about mine and my families Work and Safety issues (I'm an American Citizen).

I "Choose" not to worry about Politicians that actually make mine and my family's life easier on those two issues, unlike those that "Won't", and need misery and despair for votes ! 

I hear that "America Sucks" is a GREAT vote getter for those that do this "Won't" thingy. Ain't that a great political add ? jrSmiley_24_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Ender
3.1.2  Ender  replied to  It Is ME @3.1.1    one month ago
I hear that "America Sucks" is a GREAT vote getter

Obviously it is, when trumpers think America needs to be made great again. 

 
 
 
It Is ME
3.1.3  It Is ME  replied to  Ender @3.1.2    one month ago
when trumpers think America needs to be made great again.

Well.....Since Democrats keep telling us "America" never really was Great...… based on that Truth? jrSmiley_78_smiley_image.gif .... I guess America really does need to be made Great. jrSmiley_10_smiley_image.gif

Trumpers are "Right" AGAIN ! jrSmiley_13_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Ender
3.1.4  Ender  replied to  It Is ME @3.1.3    one month ago

Hate to break the news to you but trumpers have never been right.

Let me just say that I don't put much stock in people, or their opinions, when they think trump is truthful.

 
 
 
It Is ME
3.1.5  It Is ME  replied to  Ender @3.1.4    one month ago
Hate to break the news to you but trumpers have never been right.

And yet ..… Trump IS President, with all the right stats going high up in this Country (Really low Unemployment, High job availability, keeping more of what you earn, etc....) !

Weird ain't it ?

 
 
 
Ender
3.1.6  Ender  replied to  It Is ME @3.1.5    one month ago

All of those stats have been steadily going up since 2009.

Weird isn't it.

I also think it is very strange when regular people cheer for the mega rich getting tax breaks....

 
 
 
It Is ME
3.1.7  It Is ME  replied to  Ender @3.1.6    one month ago
All of those stats have been steadily going up since 2009.

So "Bush" helped Obama too ?

 
 
 
Ender
3.1.8  Ender  replied to  It Is ME @3.1.7    one month ago

Sure. Crashing the economy did wonders...

 
 
 
It Is ME
3.1.9  It Is ME  replied to  Ender @3.1.8    one month ago
Crashing the economy did wonders...

Apparently ….for Obama ?

 
 
 
Ender
3.1.10  Ender  replied to  It Is ME @3.1.9    one month ago

Do I think it helped him get elected? Partly. I also think falin Palin was a part.

Also odd to me that for eight years Cons complained about the recovery being too slow.

Now for the last several years things have been pretty stagnant, and they cheer like it is the best ever.

 
 
 
bugsy
3.1.11  bugsy  replied to  Ender @3.1.4    one month ago
trumpers have never been right.

Prediction....Trump will be president in 2016

That's one...

 
 
 
It Is ME
3.1.12  It Is ME  replied to  Ender @3.1.10    one month ago
I also think falin Palin was a part.

McCain too !

"Now for the last several years things have been pretty stagnant, and they cheer like it is the best ever."

The last 2.5 years have boosted my Company, and those companies my kids work at, Really Quick !

Haven't seen any "Stagnant" going on now, unless your talking about not enough people for the jobs available ! When one has a job already, no sense in looking for another....so I guess the "Available" work will stay "Stagnant" for awhile, with no one looking after all.

 
 
 
Ender
3.1.13  Ender  replied to  bugsy @3.1.11    one month ago

And he would have had the popular vote if it wasn't for those darn illegals voting....

 
 
 
Ender
3.1.14  Ender  replied to  It Is ME @3.1.12    one month ago

How have they been boosted? An injection of cash?

The stock market has been stagnant. Unemployment has leveled.

 
 
 
It Is ME
3.1.15  It Is ME  replied to  Ender @3.1.14    one month ago
How have they been boosted?

Yep....by folks wanting what is provided by the company.

My group had to start telling folks there was a month to 2 month delay due to work requests being overwhelming.

"Unemployment has leveled"

Like I said....not many looking for work anymore. They already have a job now. You don't actually think Un-employment can hit the Zero mark ….do you ?

 
 
 
Ender
3.1.16  Ender  replied to  It Is ME @3.1.15    one month ago

Can I ask what the company does? As I don't know any company that would have a several month wait period. Unless it is for a custom RV or something that would take a long time anyway.

 
 
 
bugsy
3.1.17  bugsy  replied to  Ender @3.1.13    one month ago
And he would have had the popular vote if it wasn't for those darn illegals voting....

Your opinion.

 
 
 
Ender
3.1.18  Ender  replied to  bugsy @3.1.17    one month ago

It was trump's opinion.

 
 
 
r.t..b...
3.2  r.t..b...  replied to  It Is ME @3    one month ago
Republicans don't "HAVE TO" believe anything.

A truer statement you have never posited. They only need initially parrot the rhetoric, eventually walk balk that rhetoric, and ultimately defend that rhetoric in the face of incontrovertible evidence that that rhetoric is damning. 

 
 
 
It Is ME
3.2.1  It Is ME  replied to  r.t..b... @3.2    one month ago
They only have to initially parrot the rhetoric

Did you miss the "Don't Have to" part of my comment ?

It's Only the "Others" that need to be Fed …… Talking Points. Bet you know all the Anti-Trump "Jerk Words" your supposed to say too.....like "incontrovertible Evidence" (from Pelosi and Schifty)? jrSmiley_25_smiley_image.gif

Did you know that Trump actually signed his name on Official documents a few times ?

He just gave us all "Magic Marker Poisoning" !

That "Bastard" !

 
 
 
r.t..b...
3.2.2  r.t..b...  replied to  It Is ME @3.2.1    one month ago
Trump actually signed his name on Official documents a few times

...as in the oh so eloquent and thought out missive to Erdogan? How's that working out?

 
 
 
It Is ME
3.2.3  It Is ME  replied to  r.t..b... @3.2.2    one month ago

You'll have to ask Erdogan.

 
 
 
r.t..b...
3.2.4  r.t..b...  replied to  It Is ME @3.2.3    one month ago
You'll have to ask Erdogan.

No need...the evidence speaks for itself. If you are comfortable with the results, so be It...Is ME.

 
 
 
It Is ME
3.2.5  It Is ME  replied to  r.t..b... @3.2.4    one month ago
the evidence speaks for itself.

Americas Military "Personnel" (People)…. are safe ?

 
 
 
Dulay
3.2.6  Dulay  replied to  It Is ME @3.2.3    one month ago
You'll have to ask Erdogan.

No, the ones you should ask are the Kurds who are running for their lives and the US Troops who had to do an emergency evacuation of our bases because Trump put them in harms way without giving them a heads up. 

 
 
 
Ender
3.2.7  Ender  replied to  r.t..b... @3.2.2    one month ago

I wonder if his love letters to little Kim will be put in the national archives.

 
 
 
It Is ME
3.2.8  It Is ME  replied to  Dulay @3.2.6    one month ago
No,

The Turks, Arabs, Persians, Kurds, Armenians and Azeris....etc... have been fighting each other for hundreds of years. jrSmiley_76_smiley_image.gif

So Yes …… ask Erdogan ! jrSmiley_78_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
r.t..b...
3.2.9  r.t..b...  replied to  It Is ME @3.2.5    one month ago
Americas Military "Personnel" (People)…. are safe ?

Those summarily pulled out, against all recommendations from their military leaders, intelligence experts that comprehend the complex history of the region, and even many members of the GOP, are indeed safe. The long-term ramifications are yet to be felt...failing to see the future implications of his misbegotten actions are the definition of short-sighted. 

 
 
 
It Is ME
3.2.10  It Is ME  replied to  r.t..b... @3.2.9    one month ago
are indeed safe.

That's the most "Important" thing. jrSmiley_13_smiley_image.gif

"The long-term ramifications are yet to be felt"

And what would those "Ramifications" be ? jrSmiley_87_smiley_image.gif

Same Ol', Same Ol', in that part of the world, after 100's of years of War over there ? jrSmiley_97_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Dulay
3.2.11  Dulay  replied to  It Is ME @3.2.8    one month ago
The Turks, Arabs, Persians, Kurds, Armenians and Azeris....etc... have been fighting each other for hundreds of years.

WTF does that have to do with the 'eloquent and thought out missive' Trump sent to Erdogan? 

Hint: NOTHING. It's a deflection. Shocker!

 
 
 
It Is ME
3.2.12  It Is ME  replied to  Dulay @3.2.11    one month ago
WTF does that have to do with the 'eloquent and thought out missive' Trump sent to Erdogan? 

What don't you get about ,"Ask Edrogan" on "How's it going" ? 

Is Trump the one in the lead tank over there ?

AGAIHN jrSmiley_18_smiley_image.gif …..They've been fighting against one another for 100's of years. Let them work their own "Temper Tantrums" out. 

 
 
 
r.t..b...
3.2.13  r.t..b...  replied to  Ender @3.2.7    one month ago
I wonder if his love letters to little Kim will be put in the national archives.

Good point. What's to stop trump from pulling our troops along the 38th parallel in a similar action to the situation in Syria? Similar circumstances...acquiescence to a strong-armed dictator in a region where our long-standing presence has brought at least a semblance of order to a precariously balanced geo-political hot-spot, and at the expense of those long-standing alliances. Impossible? Nothing seems out of the realm of possibility with this administration.

 
 
 
Ender
3.2.14  Ender  replied to  r.t..b... @3.2.13    one month ago

Exactly. I say our presence there has kept the region stable. Has kept SK safe from invasion. I am sure there are some on the right that think we should pull out of there.

We pull out of Syria and all hell breaks loose. For some reason that is just fine with some.

 
 
 
Dulay
3.2.15  Dulay  replied to  It Is ME @3.2.12    one month ago
What don't you get about ,"Ask Edrogan" on "How's it going" ? 

What don't YOU get about me not giving a shit what Erdogan thinks about it?

It's been reported that he filed it in the round receptacle so it's pretty fucking clear what his thoughts are.  

AGAIHN  …..They've been fighting against one another for 100's of years. Let them work their own "Temper Tantrums" out. 

By that standard, the US should pull all of our troops back home and that includes from Israel. 

 
 
 
It Is ME
3.2.16  It Is ME  replied to  Dulay @3.2.15    one month ago
It's been reported

Reported ?

By whom ?

The "best" thought would be....."Our" folks are safe over there !

 
 
 
r.t..b...
3.2.17  r.t..b...  replied to  Ender @3.2.14    one month ago
We pull out of Syria and all hell breaks loose. For some reason that is just fine with some.

"If you're not at the table, you're on the menu." ~ Michael Enzi (GOP senator)

 
 
 
 
It Is ME
3.2.19  It Is ME  replied to  Dulay @3.2.18    one month ago

"citing unnamed Turkish government sources." jrSmiley_13_smiley_image.gif

"The Turkish foreign ministry did not respond to a request for comment when contacted by CNBC." jrSmiley_13_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
r.t..b...
3.2.20  r.t..b...  replied to  It Is ME @3.2.12    one month ago
Is Trump the one in the lead tank over there ?

A flashback to Michael Dukakis. Neither had the gravitas to pull off the optics, much less the diplomacy required to negotiate such an intricate balance of power.

 
 
 
It Is ME
3.2.21  It Is ME  replied to  r.t..b... @3.2.20    one month ago
intricate balance of power.

There's nothing "Intricate" over there. They is what they is....no matter what anyone....and I mean ANYONE.....has tried.

Is there a country on this planet that hasn't tried one time or another, to "Fix" things over there, that you can think of ?

Maybe "Iceland" ?

Let 'em fight it out for themselves for a "Change", with NO interference from anyone. Maybe that will work.

 
 
 
r.t..b...
3.2.22  r.t..b...  replied to  It Is ME @3.2.21    one month ago
Let 'em fight it out for themselves for a "Change", with NO interference from anyone.

As long as those without the resource of oil require it, it will remain a contentious region. To cut and run, which we have effectively done and regardless of our potential to harvest the same resource, means we have ceded any voice in the region. A dangerous and unprecedented action, by any measure.

 
 
 
It Is ME
3.2.23  It Is ME  replied to  r.t..b... @3.2.22    one month ago
As long as those without the resource of oil require it

Let them go into the ring then.

"means we have ceded any voice in the region"

What Voice ?

EVERYONE's Voice is put to the side in that region. Even the ones Born and raised there.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
3.2.24  Greg Jones  replied to  r.t..b... @3.2.22    one month ago

We can go right back in if need be, but we didn't need to be there in the first place. We can keep the peace there with drones, just like Obama did.

 
 
 
Dulay
3.2.25  Dulay  replied to  It Is ME @3.2.21    one month ago
Let 'em fight it out for themselves for a "Change", with NO interference from anyone. Maybe that will work.

Does that mean that you support the US and Russia taking all of the weapons we have supplied to BOTH SIDES? Will Russia and Iran turn their backs on the Syrians like the US did to the Kurds? 

 
 
 
Ronin2
3.2.26  Ronin2  replied to  Greg Jones @3.2.24    one month ago

If only Obama had stuck to drones. Obama is the one that first inserted US special forces into Syria to back and train the SDF and "moderate" Sunni rebels. He then expanded the air assault to US bombers.

Obama is the one that opened the door in Syria for Russia, China, and Iran to be invited in. Obama stated loudly and clearly his ultimate goal was to remove Assad. All it cost Assad was a port, military base, and air fields for Russia. Who knows what he had to promise the Iranians, and Chinese. I am sure all countries involved would like to personally thank Obama, for different reasons.

But you know, Trruuummmmppppp!!!!!!!

 
 
 
Ronin2
3.2.27  Ronin2  replied to  Dulay @3.2.25    one month ago

Sorry, the Russian ship has sailed. They are in Syria legally. Unlike the US, French, British, and Turkish forces.  Since the Turks have been so kind to help push out their NATO allies; Russia has even less reason to withdraw.

 
 
 
Dulay
3.2.28  Dulay  replied to  Ronin2 @3.2.27    one month ago

Good., we agree that the whole concept of 'NO interference for anyone' is off the table. 

 
 
 
MrFrost
3.2.29  MrFrost  replied to  Greg Jones @3.2.24    one month ago
We can keep the peace there with drones, just like Obama did.

And just like the right complained about, but now it's ok, right? 

 
 
 
Krishna
3.2.30  Krishna  replied to  Dulay @3.2.15    one month ago
By that standard, the US should pull all of our troops back home and that includes from Israel. 

How many U.S. troops are in Israel? What are they doing there?

 
 
 
 
MrFrost
4  MrFrost    one month ago

Remember when the republicans used to yell and scream that they are the party of, "Traditional Conservative Christian Family Values"? Trump read that, pissed on it, wadded it up and threw it in the trash. The religious right used to claim the moral high ground, now when they do that, all I can do is laugh at them. 

 
 
 
JBB
4.1  JBB  replied to  MrFrost @4    one month ago

The Grand Old Party of Abe Lincoln devolved unto the small g gop of today. To call them the gop is being too kind. The small r republicans of today should more fairly and accurately be referred to from now on as "the damn gop"...

 
 
 
JBB
5  JBB    one month ago

I really never imagined that humans were even capable of consuming such trumpian portions of 100% Pure-D USDA Certified Grade F Bullshit as the legions of Joey Chestnut wannabes in the damn gop today have proven themselves capable of gobbling up...

 
 
 
MrFrost
5.1  MrFrost  replied to  JBB @5    one month ago

Never underestimate the stupidity of the cousin humpers in trump's base. 

 
 
 
JBB
5.1.1  JBB  replied to  MrFrost @5.1    one month ago

Trump shovels shit into mouthbreathing maws...

 
 
 
XDm9mm
6  XDm9mm    one month ago

Yeah, the bullshit you have to believe to post something like the posted "article" from The Daily Beast.  It would be laughable if it wasn't so pathetic.

Daily Beast

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These media sources are moderately to strongly biased toward liberal causes through story selection and/or political affiliation.  They may utilize strong loaded words (wording that attempts to influence an audience by using appeal to emotion or stereotypes), publish misleading reports and omit reporting of information that may damage liberal causes. Some sources in this category may be untrustworthy.

By the way JR, this is the assessment of the much beloved MB/FC.

Source:  https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/daily-beast/

 
 
 
Heartland American
6.1  Heartland American  replied to  XDm9mm @6    one month ago

Sites like the one above from the perspective of the right are more often than many realize rated as questionable instead of right bias over reasons often having nothing to do with politics.  

 
 
 
MrFrost
6.1.1  MrFrost  replied to  Heartland American @6.1    one month ago

You have referenced that site many times. It's only biased to you when it doesn't fit your agenda. 

 
 
 
Dulay
6.2  Dulay  replied to  XDm9mm @6    one month ago
Yeah, the bullshit you have to believe to post something like the posted "article" from The Daily Beast.  It would be laughable if it wasn't so pathetic.

It's a Op/Ed, which means it is inherently bias. Sheesh. 

Now, do you have a comment on the content? How about on any of the links included in the piece? 

 
 
 
Heartland American
7  Heartland American    one month ago

The seeder complains bitterly about similar content as this but from the right and a conservative perspective and how that denigrates the quality of the site and then seeds this.  Where is the consistency?  Other than the obvious TDS flowing from both. Note that I’m not at all complaining about the seed itself or the right of it to be here.  I support it being a part of the discussion on the site....

 
 
 
JohnRussell
7.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Heartland American @7    one month ago

the writer of this article is a conservative.  that is the point

 
 
 
XDm9mm
7.1.1  XDm9mm  replied to  JohnRussell @7.1    one month ago
the writer of this article is a conservative.  that is the point

People can claim whatever they want.  And using a puppet that CNN uses as a conservative is laughable at best.

What you allude to is really nothing more than RINO's suffering from Trump Derangement Syndrome as Trump is accomplishing what many before him either failed to accomplish or never even wanted to accomplish.

Trump is the worst nightmare of both the left and right come to life.

 
 
 
Heartland American
7.1.2  Heartland American  replied to  JohnRussell @7.1    one month ago

No he’s not.  He’s a RINO, a never Trumper from the beginning. A token Republican for the bi coastal liberal elites to flaunt before us. 

 
 
 
MrFrost
7.1.3  MrFrost  replied to  Heartland American @7.1.2    one month ago
RINO

Yes, the fallback position from the right when anyone from their party says something they don't agree with. Hey, you know when Hillary said Gabbard is a Russian asset? She was a republican when she said it. 

See how easy that is? 

 
 
 
Krishna
7.1.4  Krishna  replied to  Heartland American @7.1.2    one month ago
A token Republican for the bi coastal liberal elites to flaunt before us. 

Kinda like John Kasich?

Another toking bi-coastal Republican from the liberal elites in Ohio?

‘Final Straw’: Republican John Kasich Says He Supports Impeachment

 
 
 
Krishna
7.1.5  Krishna  replied to  Heartland American @7.1.2    one month ago
A token Republican for the bi coastal liberal elites to flaunt before us. 

Or perhaps you are referring to the "Toking Turtle"-- yet another Republican for the bi-coastal elites from Kentucky:

Mitch McConnell Says Trump’s Syria Withdrawal Is A ‘Grave’ Mistake

It will leave the American people and homeland less safe, embolden our enemies, and weaken important alliances,” McConnell, R-Ky., writes.

“Sadly, the recently announced pullout risks repeating the Obama administration’s reckless withdrawal from Iraq, which facilitated the rise of the Islamic State in the first place.”

 
 
 
Krishna
7.1.6  Krishna  replied to  Heartland American @7.1.2    one month ago
token Republican for the bi coastal liberal elites to flaunt before us. 

Or perhaps you are referring to Mitch Romney-- yet another toking Republican from the Bi-Coastal state of Utah?

"The decision to abandon the Kurds violates one of our most sacred duties . . . What we have done to the Kurds will stand as a bloodstain in the annals of American history.

 
 
 
Dulay
7.2  Dulay  replied to  Heartland American @7    one month ago
Note that I’m not at all complaining about the seed itself or the right of it to be here. 

Nor are you commenting on the content of the seed. You're talking about the seeder and that makes your comment personal and off topic. 

 
 
 
Dean Moriarty
8  Dean Moriarty    one month ago

Today Republicans might simply believe lower taxes are better than higher, illegals should be thrown out, conservative judges are a better choice than liberals, Obamacare sucks, one should not be a slave to the government for the benefit of the lazy and rolling back bad regulations is a good thing.   The writer is clearly out of touch with middle America.  

 
 
 
XDm9mm
8.1  XDm9mm  replied to  Dean Moriarty @8    one month ago
The writer is clearly out of touch with middle America.

I will submit that the "middle" is about the 80-90% in the middle of the extremes on both fringes of the political spectrum.

 
 
 
JBB
8.2  JBB  replied to  Dean Moriarty @8    one month ago

Yeah, maybe in some ancient and thus now utterly irrelevant theory butt what should be apparent to everyone by now is that Trump and the damn gop who were 100% in control of Congress these last two years actually believe in trillion dollar deficits even during times of relative peace and prosperity because that is exactly what the damn gop gave us when the damn gop had all the power...

 
 
 
Heartland American
8.2.1  Heartland American  replied to  JBB @8.2    one month ago

Actually a majority of the members of Congress are democrats and we know that the constitution requires that all spending bills originate in the House. 

 
 
 
XDm9mm
8.2.2  XDm9mm  replied to  JBB @8.2    one month ago
because that is exactly what the damn gop gave us when the damn gop had all the power...

It costs a great deal to rebuild a military capable of actually fighting and winning a war.

Under Obama, due to the cutbacks and down sizing, our military had to revamp their global strategy from fighting a two front or two antagonist winning war(s) down to a one front holding position conflict.  That's not what I like considering our very own history in WWII.

 
 
 
Krishna
8.2.3  Krishna  replied to  Heartland American @8.2.1    one month ago
and we know that the constitution requires that all spending bills originate in the House. 

I had thought that you were a trump supporter? And everyone knows that Trump has absolutely no use for The Constitution?

 
 
 
Dulay
8.2.4  Dulay  replied to  XDm9mm @8.2.2    one month ago
It costs a great deal to rebuild a military capable of actually fighting and winning a war.

How much does it cost for a military that follows Trump's orders and evacuates? 

 
 
 
Dulay
8.3  Dulay  replied to  Dean Moriarty @8    one month ago

But they don't. 

 
 
 
Greg Jones
9  Greg Jones    one month ago

I'll be voting for Trump again because the Democrats have no candidate who can win.

Bernie's toast...why would a cardiac socialist blowhard even be considered for probably the most stressful job around. One international crisis could cause him to reach his expiration date.

Angry old Auntie Liz, who can't give a straight answer as to how she will fund all her giveaways. There are only so many rich people to confiscate money from.

Biden appears to be done...too much corruption and conflicts in his past. Tulsi seems to be the only sane one in the bunch, and look what's happened to her.

And just looks at what the New Left offers if somehow elected....

No more presumption of innocence or Constitutional right to due process. Secret Soviet style interrogations will be the order of the day. Mere accusation and the seriousness of the charge will automatically reach the level needed for conviction..

Open borders, free education, healthcare, housing, and Medicare for illegal immigrants.

Abortion at any stage of pregnancy with no limits on age.

Equal rights, acceptance, and compensation for all the new gender variations that have appeared out of thin air.

Rising utility and fuel prices because of new taxes and regulations imposed in the race to save the planet from going all Venus on us.

Promises that will never be fulfilled, like free everything, because they are campaign lies that can't happen because they will cost trillions upon trillions of dollars.

 
 
 
Heartland American
9.1  Heartland American  replied to  Greg Jones @9    one month ago

You put the secular progressive left agenda before us exactly as it is. 

 
 
 
XDm9mm
9.2  XDm9mm  replied to  Greg Jones @9    one month ago
I'll be voting for Trump again because the Democrats have no candidate who can win.

Not only the Democrats, but the Republicans as well have no one that can match what Trump has and is.  

Now granted, Trump is a boor and braggart arrogant piece of shit.  But, having said that, he is accomplishing what those before him could not or simply would not.  Regardless of what he is, he is working for the betterment of America and putting this country and it's people before the benefit of other countries and their peoples.  He still has much to accomplish, but will be able to do much in his next four years in office.

 
 
 
It Is ME
9.2.1  It Is ME  replied to  XDm9mm @9.2    one month ago
But, having said that, he is accomplishing what those before him could not or simply would not.

The Difference:

Hillary type supporters chant ….."Hillary, Hillary, Hillary" ! jrSmiley_84_smiley_image.gif

Trump type supporters chant …… "U.S.A., U.S.A., U.S.A." ! jrSmiley_81_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
JohnRussell
9.2.2  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  It Is ME @9.2.1    one month ago
Hillary type supporters chant ….."Hillary, Hillary, Hillary" !

Hillary's not running. Update your newsfeeds from October 2016. Snap! Snap!

 
 
 
It Is ME
9.2.3  It Is ME  replied to  JohnRussell @9.2.2    one month ago
Hillary's not running.

I didn't say she was. Read what my comment notes again. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
9.2.4  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  XDm9mm @9.2    one month ago
Now granted, Trump is a boor and braggart arrogant piece of shit.  But, having said that, he is accomplishing what those before him could not or simply would not.  Regardless of what he is, he is working for the betterment of America and putting this country and it's people before the benefit of other countries and their peoples.  He still has much to accomplish, but will be able to do much in his next four years in office.

Actually, Trump is a pathological lair, crook, bigot, and moron.  No thanks for the correction required. 

You say "he is accomplishing what those before him could not or simply would not." as if that is the cure all. 

Newsflash for you- the majority of Americans do not credit him with all these "accomplishments" . His "accomplishments" are right wing accomplishments, not things that a consensus of Americans agree with, for the most part. 

But beyond the fact that his accomplishments only appeal to a minority of the population, you completely ignore the rest. 

He is a completely unethical and corrupt individual. We should not have, under any circumstances, a completely unethical and corrupt individual in the office of the president. There is no possible excuse for it, let alone that he is achieving things that a minority of the people admire. 

 
 
 
Greg Jones
9.2.5  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @9.2.2    one month ago

Hillary's running her stupid mouth all over the place, and she is not doing Democrats any good

with her wacky conspiracy theories.

 
 
 
Krishna
9.2.6  Krishna  replied to  Greg Jones @9.2.5    one month ago
Hillary's running her stupid mouth all over the place, and she is not doing Democrats any good with her wacky conspiracy theories.

I agree that Hillary is veeery powerful!

But not to worry-- soon she will be impeached and removed from office!

 
 
 
Krishna
9.2.7  Krishna  replied to  JohnRussell @9.2.2    one month ago
Hillary's not running.

Just because he isn't aware of that is no reason to mock him!

 
 
 
MrFrost
9.3  MrFrost  replied to  Greg Jones @9    one month ago
I'll be voting for Trump again because the Democrats have no candidate who can win.

Feel free. But just an FYI? If he is impeached and removed from office, (which is now a very real possibility), he will be banned from any public office for life. 

But it's nice to know that you support a POTUS that seeks help from foreign nations, (via extortion), to win a US election. Such a patriot!!!!!

And in case you haven't clued in to what is going on? 

Trump withheld military aid, (that's TAXPAYERS money), from a foreign country, unless they investigated trump's own personal political rivals. I wonder, Greg, how you would have felt if Obama had taken taxpayer's money and used it to force a country to dig up dirt on his political rival? 

Be honest Greg, you would have shit little green apples. But trump does it and not only are you ok with it, you say you will gladly vote for that traitor again? That's just plain sick.  

 
 
 
Ronin2
9.3.1  Ronin2  replied to  MrFrost @9.3    one month ago
Feel free. But just an FYI? If he is impeached and removed from office, (which is now a very real possibility)

Only in a leftist's wet dream. The Republicans that back impeachment would be toast when they come up for reelection. Whatever Republican they come up with to run would be a sacrificial lamb. The Republicans will not hand over power to the Democrats that easily.

But it's nice to know that you support a POTUS that seeks help from foreign nations, (via extortion), to win a US election. Such a patriot!!!!!

Still no proof; but it the Dems latest talking point, so drive it home hard!

But it is ok when the Dems us a political hit job dossier put together by a former MI6 agent paid for by Hillary Clinton to start spying on a political rival? That is just so much better!

And in case you haven't clued in to what is going on?  Trump withheld military aid, (that's TAXPAYERS money), from a foreign country, unless they investigated trump's own personal political rivals. I wonder, Greg, how you would have felt if Obama had taken taxpayer's money and used it to force a country to dig up dirt on his political rival? 

Seems you still don't know what it going on. The leader of Ukraine had no idea that Trump was withholding money at the time the conversation took place. And the transcripts of the conversation don't match the Dems talking point. 

As for Obama, we had to put up with the IRS delaying conservative pac group authorizations until after the elections. How would the Dems feel if Trump pull something like that?  Trump would have already been impeached.

https://www.npr.org/2017/10/27/560308997/irs-apologizes-for-aggressive-scrutiny-of-conservative-groups

In a legal settlement that still awaits a federal judge's approval, the IRS "expresses its sincere apology" for mistreating a conservative organization called Linchpins of Liberty — along with 40 other conservative groups — in their applications for tax-exempt status.

And in a second case, NorCal Tea Party Patriots and 427 other groups suing the IRS also reached a "substantial financial settlement" with the government.

Attorney General Jeff Sessions announced the two settlements Thursday. The Justice Department quoted him as saying of the IRS activity: "There is no excuse for this conduct. Hundreds of organizations were affected by these actions, and they deserve an apology from the IRS. We hope that today's settlement makes clear that this abuse of power will not be tolerated."

It's "a historic victory," said Jay Sekulow of the American Center for Law and Justice, a conservative nonprofit legal group representing the Linchpins plaintiffs.Sekulow, who is also on President Trump's personal legal-defense team, said the IRS agreed to stop "the abhorrent practices utilized against our clients."

The consent order says the IRS admits it wrongly used "heightened scrutiny and inordinate delays" and demanded unnecessary information as it reviewed applications for tax-exempt status. The order says, "For such treatment, the IRS expresses its sincere apology."

In the separate NorCal case, plaintiffs' lead counsel Eddie Greim told NPR an IRS apology alone was not sufficient to end the matter. But he declined to reveal the financial settlement amount.

In the NorCal case, plaintiffs allege the IRS violated their constitutional rights by using tax information for improper purposes. The settlement still must be approved by the federal district court in Cincinnati, home of the IRS division on tax-exempt organizations.

The settlements may not put the fierce controversy over IRS conduct to rest, but they mark the most significant resolution so far.

The controversy began in 2013 when an IRS official admitted the agency had been aggressively scrutinizing groups with names such as "Tea Party" and "Patriots." It later emerged that liberal groups had been targeted, too, although in smaller numbers.

The IRS stepped up its scrutiny around 2010, as applications for tax-exempt status surged. Tea Party groups were organizing, and court decisions had eased the rules for tax-exempt groups to participate in politics.

Groups sought tax-exempt status as 501(c)(3) charities, where the organization and its donors get tax write-offs, and 501(c)(4) "social welfare" organizations, where donors' contributions are not tax deductible.

After the IRS confession in 2013, its top echelons were quickly cleaned out. Conservative groups sued. Congressional Republicans launched what became years of hearings, amid allegations the Obama White House had ordered the targeting.


Some GOP lawmakers repeatedly tried to oust IRS Commissioner John Koskinen, at one point seeking impeachment, andcalled on former President Barack Obama, and then on Trump, to fire him. Instead, Trump announced Thursday that Koskinen will leave when his five-year term expires next month.

 Obama really was a great piece of shit. But the left loved him no matter what.

Be honest Greg, you would have shit little green apples. But trump does it and not only are you ok with it, you say you will gladly vote for that traitor again? That's just plain sick.  

Why not, the Dems voted in Obama twice. They didn't feel a twinge of sickness about it.

 
 
 
Krishna
9.3.2  Krishna  replied to  Ronin2 @9.3.1    one month ago
The Republicans that back impeachment would be toast when they come up for reelection

Kasich?

Remember, according to HA he a Bi-coastal Senator from Ohio!

And while he may not score high in polls nationwide-- he very popular in polls in Ohio!

(Especially polls in those small, quaint, Ohio towns and Hamlets by the Pacific and Atlantic oceans!)

 
 
 
Dulay
9.3.3  Dulay  replied to  Ronin2 @9.3.1    one month ago
Only in a leftist's wet dream. The Republicans that back impeachment would be toast when they come up for reelection. Whatever Republican they come up with to run would be a sacrificial lamb. The Republicans will not hand over power to the Democrats that easily.

Thanks for taking off the bullshit non-partisan vail. The fact that it's all about holding on to power rather than what's best for the country should make you proud. 

Still no proof; but it the Dems latest talking point, so drive it home hard!

Unless you insist that we accept that Trump and his Chief of Staff are both liars, we have plenty of proof. 

But it is ok when the Dems us a political hit job dossier put together by a former MI6 agent paid for by Hillary Clinton to start spying on a political rival? That is just so much better!

You'll be the second one I have called out on this bullshit today. Prove it. 

Seems you still don't know what it going on. The leader of Ukraine had no idea that Trump was withholding money at the time the conversation took place.

SO WHAT? Trump knew what he was doing and THAT proves intent. 

And the transcripts of the conversation don't match the Dems talking point. 

The call memo matches the whistleblower complaint. 

What 'talking points'? 

As for Obama, we had to put up with the IRS delaying conservative pac group authorizations until after the elections. How would the Dems feel if Trump pull something like that? Trump would have already been impeached.

 Obama really was a great piece of shit. But the left loved him no matter what.

Why not, the Dems voted in Obama twice. They didn't feel a twinge of sickness about it.

Deflections noted. 

 
 
 
KDMichigan
9.3.4  KDMichigan  replied to  Ronin2 @9.3.1    one month ago
Why not, the Dems voted in Obama twice. They didn't feel a twinge of sickness about it.

256

 
 
 
KDMichigan
9.3.5  KDMichigan  replied to  Dulay @9.3.3    one month ago
we have plenty of proof. 

256

What's the hold up then Dulay? 

Maybe Nancy need to spend 3 hour in grandpa's vegetable garden to have the know all insight?

 
 
 
Dulay
9.3.6  Dulay  replied to  KDMichigan @9.3.5    4 weeks ago
What's the hold up then Dulay? 

Well gee KD, you and your fellow travelers have claimed to have the goods on Obama, Clinton, Comey, McCabe, ect., ect., for over TWO YEARS and NOTHING, NADA. 

What's the hold up? 

Maybe Nancy need to spend 3 hour in grandpa's vegetable garden to have the know all insight?

Perhaps that's what you need since it's been living rent free in your head for so long.  

 
 
 
Krishna
9.4  Krishna  replied to  Greg Jones @9    one month ago
I'll be voting for Trump again because the Democrats have no candidate who can win.

Ajd that's a major point upon which we differ-- I vote for the person who would be the best president for the country-- not who seems to have the best chance of winning.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
10  Greg Jones    one month ago

Regardless of what he is, he is working for the betterment of America and putting this country and it's people before the benefit of other countries and their peoples.

Exactly! 

 
 
 
Krishna
10.1  Krishna  replied to  Greg Jones @10    one month ago
Regardless of what he is, he is working for the betterment of America and putting this country and it's people before the benefit of other countries and their peoples.

Nope-- wrong again!

 
 
 
JohnRussell
11  seeder  JohnRussell    one month ago

The article is exactly right, this is the Make America Great Again symbol , gaslighting yourself. 

512

We see it on this forum every day, many times every day. 

If you say something about it, you are "obsessed", lol. 

Where are the independents and moderates to make their voice known about this constant lying and gaslighting? 

Trump has gone too far, and now is the time to get him the hell out of there or at least to the point where the Republicans find it wiser to run someone else as their candidate next year. 

Now is the time to be heard. 

 
 
 
Tacos!
12  Tacos!    one month ago
Being a loyal Republican

What does it mean to be a "loyal" Republican or Democrat? Does that mean you have to agree with everything a particular party leader does or says? Where is that happening? What Democrat agrees with everything Nancy Pelosi, Hillary Clinton, or even Barack Obama does or says?

Is the claim here that Republicans support everything Trump does or says? Because that's obviously not true. It has never been true. Republican leadership tried to deny Trump the nomination in 2016. Republicans in the House just voted to condemn the withdrawal of our people from Syria. And in between, Republicans from all over the party have disagreed with Trump on a variety of topics. Record numbers of Republicans have quit Congress since he took office. Not to mention the record number of Republicans who were hired to work in his administration and resigned or were fired based on disagreements with the president.

So if you're going to claim that Republicans are somehow blindly and unswervingly loyal to Donald Trump, I have to say you've got your head up your ass. That's just ignorant.

Let’s say you once believed it was important for America to demonstrate moral clarity and to be a force for good in the world. You recall how Ronald Reagan’s rhetoric was so important to making the moral case for freedom

I remember when Reagan was president. Democrats and the media treated him like he was the Devil himself. They said he was cruel and insane. He was called a fascist. He was going to start World War III. He was going to reinvigorate the KKK . He was going to destroy our economy. Before "meme" was a word anyone knew, we were inundated with Bedtime for Bonzo memes in political cartoons. His genial nature was mocked as naive Pollyanna. 

Now people want to hold him up as an example of a wise and good person and pretend everyone always thought so. While I agree with that characterization, I just think a lot of people who claim to think that way today didn't always say so. So, is it what they actually believe or is it just politics?

 
 
 
Krishna
12.1  Krishna  replied to  Tacos! @12    one month ago
Is the claim here that Republicans support everything Trump does or says?

Many Republicans aren't that stupid.

(But many are...!!!)

 
 
 
Nerm_L
13  Nerm_L    one month ago

So, Trump is too much of a Democrat for loyal Republicans?  The loyal Republicans portrayed in the seeded article are supply-side, neo-con Reagan Republicans.  Republicans have been gaslighted by Reagan loyalists over the last four decades.  Reagan is dead; that was one of the contributing factors for Hillary Clinton's loss.

Russia is no longer a communist country.  Russia is a European trading partner; a competitor and not an adversary.  China, on the other hand, is still a communist country.  The Reagan neo-cons should be more concerned about China than Russia.  Supply-side, neo-con Republicans and Democrats have allowed the United States to be economically conquered by China.  The United States is not competing with China because supply-side, neo-con Republicans and Democrats have been gaslighting us about Russia.

Those who fondly reminisce for the status quo established by Reagan are gaslighting themselves.  Those who desire a President (Republican or Democrat) that will protect a status quo that clearly has failed are simply demanding that we suspend our disbelief.  Yes, Hillary Clinton, as President, would have protected the Reagan legacy.  But that Reagan legacy has been a fraud and shouldn't be protected.

 
 
 
Krishna
13.1  Krishna  replied to  Nerm_L @13    one month ago

Reagan is dead; that was one of the contributing factors for Hillary Clinton's loss.

Well you're entitled to your opinion-- but personally I don't think the claim that Hillary had Reagan assassinated has any truth to it. (Even togh apparently some of the more "mentally challenged republicans so believe all sorts of bizarre conspiracy theories...for example, the so called " Deep State" hoax) .

 
 
 
Krishna
13.2  Krishna  replied to  Nerm_L @13    one month ago
The United States is not competing with China because supply-side, neo-con Republicans and Democrats have been gaslighting us about Russia.

Yes but gas reduces the carbon footprint-- which is good for the environment, eh?

Seriously, you have to admit that that's true>>>>we must preserve the environment for Future Generations!

 
 
 
Krishna
13.3  Krishna  replied to  Nerm_L @13    one month ago
Yes, Hillary Clinton, as President, would have protected the Reagan legacy.  But that Reagan legacy has been a fraud and shouldn't be protected.

What are you-- some kind of a Socialist?

Reagan was an American icon-- a truly great American Hero!

(He was the original one...the first to Make Amercia Great Again! Trump is an Imposter!)

 
 
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