Warren says withholding aid to Israel is ‘on the table’ to curb settlements

  
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Warren says withholding aid to Israel is ‘on the table’ to curb settlements
In September 2016, then-president Barack Obama and Netanyahu signed a memorandum of understanding upping the figure from $3 billion annually to $3.8 billion annually for the next 10 years, despite frosty ties between the two.

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Warren says withholding aid to Israel is ‘on the table’ to curb settlements

Top Democratic presidential contender says Jerusalem’s policies are moving it away from a two-state solution

By TOI STAFF,  21 October 2019

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Democratic Presidential Candidate Sen. Elizabeth Warren speaks during a town hall event on October 18, 2019 in Norfolk, Virginia. (Zach Gibson/Getty Images/AFP)

Leading Democratic presidential candidate Elizabeth Warren on Sunday indicated the US could withhold aid to Israel to force it to halt construction in settlements.

Asked during a political event in Iowa on her position on making aid conditional on stopping settlement expansion, the Massachusetts senator said “everything is on the table.

The US provides Israel with some $3.8 billion in military assistance annually.

“Right now, [Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin] Netanyahu says he is going to take Israel in a direction of increasing settlements. That does not move us toward a two-state solution,” Warren said.

“It is the official policy of the United States of America to support a two-state solution, and if Israel is moving in the opposite direction, then everything is on the table,” she said, then repeated: “Everything is on the table.”


Sen. Elizabeth Warren: "It is the official policy of the United States of America to support a two-state solution, and if Israel is moving in the opposite direction, then everything is on the table."   pic.twitter.com/GjumaLoZ9k  
— The Hill (@thehill)   October 20, 2019

Warren is currently neck and neck with former vice president Joe Biden in polls ahead of the Democratic primaries, and has recently led in some surveys. She is seen as a more liberal, left-leaning candidate than Biden on many issues.

In June Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders, ranked third in the race, said he would “absolutely” consider dangling cuts to American aid to Israel in order to pressure Jerusalem.

However Sanders also said at the time that he would not make decisions that render Israel militarily vulnerable.

Military aid packages to Israel have steadily increased since the mid-1980s, when they were first offered, and are considered a linchpin of the US-Israel alliance. Few American lawmakers have challenged the handouts. In September 2016, then-president Barack Obama and Netanyahu signed a memorandum of understanding upping the figure from $3 billion annually to $3.8 billion annually for the next 10 years, despite frosty ties between the two.

The aid package is seen in Israel as key to helping it maintain its qualitative military edge over potential threats in the region.

Eric Cortellessa contributed to this report.


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Buzz of the Orient
1  seeder  Buzz of the Orient    4 weeks ago

First of all, it's probable that Netanyahu will no longer be Israel's P.M., as it was just announced that he cannot form a government, so basing Democratic policies on what he had proposed is kind of a stupid move at this time.  Of course she is joined in her proposal by self-loathing BDS supporting Jew Bernie Sanders and who else but "The Squad" Democrats Ilhan Omar and Palestina Tlieb, and I assume J-Street and all other Israel-bashing organizations (not to mention some NT members who have already made their wishes in that regard known).

Amazing that Obama increased the military aid (most of which is spent back in the USA helping to keep American workers employed) notwithstanding his hatred of Netanyahu, and now his fellow Democrats are also slapping him in the face for having done so - really interesting to see the divisions in the party growing. 

Considering that a fairly large majority of Americans, according to annual Gallup Polls, support Israel - I wonder if this would be a factor in their decisions as who will get their vote. 

Besides the usual reasons why about half of the American voters don't support the Democrats, and the debacle of the Trump impeachment issue which is going to be like a snake eating its tail, what else is in the Democrats' grab bag, not having a charismatic candidate, what other tricks do they have in mind?

 
 
 
XDm9mm
1.1  XDm9mm  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @1    4 weeks ago
really interesting to see the divisions in the party growing. 

I know this is entirely off topic and I apologize, but I find it quite amusing and very telling watching the Democrat Party rip itself to shreds with all of the infighting and near vitriolic hatred they're displaying for not only the President and Republican Party, but for others within their own party.  The ONLY thing keeping the Democrats together right now is as noted, their vitriol towards Trump and Republicans.

Now, back on topic.  I believe strongly that many Democrats will swing to the Republicans come November 2020 as they will see just how much of an Anti-Semite organization the Democrat party has become.  They try desperately to hide it, but their actions speak louder than words.

 
 
 
Krishna
1.1.1  Krishna  replied to  XDm9mm @1.1    4 weeks ago
I know this is entirely off topic and I apologize, but I find it quite amusing and very telling watching the Democrat Party rip itself to shreds with all of the infighting and near vitriolic hatred they're displaying for not only the President and Republican Party, but for others within their own party.  The ONLY thing keeping the Democrats together right now is as noted, their vitriol towards Trump and Republicans.

Yes, that's true.

But its what politicians do during primaries. (With some exceptions of course), but most do that-- and this may come as a shock to you-- but it happens in both parties in both parties. .

Are you forgetting some of the same sort of nastiness during the Republican presidential primaries?

Same Shit-- Different day (to coin a phrase:-)

(cont'd in next comment)

 
 
 
Krishna
1.1.2  Krishna  replied to  Krishna @1.1.1    4 weeks ago

(cont'd from comment @ 1.1.1., above)

A few brief highlights.just a few of the things  Trump said about Ted Cruz::

 "Lying Ted".-- Hold that Bible High, puts it down and then he lies.

He's crazy. Honestly I think the man is crazy>

He's choking like a dog because he's losing so badly...we have to put him away tomorrow.

A few gems from Cruz . . . ' on Trump:

Donald is a bully, the man is utterly amoral!

This man is a Pathological liar...a narcissist at a level..I don't think this country's ever seen...

But ya mess with my wife, ya mess with my kids and that'll do it every time...Donald you're a sniveling coward and leave Heidi the Hell alone.

There's more..lots more.

(And let's not forget the extremely nasty and totally childish insults exchanged betweened marco Rubio sand trump!

(Or did you forget?)

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
1.1.3  seeder  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Krishna @1.1.2    4 weeks ago

I just can't come up with the words to describe it - but you're all so proud of it.

 
 
 
Krishna
1.1.4  Krishna  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @1.1.3    4 weeks ago
but you're all so proud of it.

You?

Who you be talkin' to White Boy?

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
1.1.5  seeder  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Krishna @1.1.4    4 weeks ago

LOL.  Be careful - you're bound to be accused of racism.  Not specifically you - I was generalizing.

 
 
 
It Is ME
2  It Is ME    4 weeks ago

"Warren says withholding aid to Israel is ‘on the table’ to curb settlements"

Quid Pro Quo ?

 
 
 
Greg Jones
2.1  Greg Jones  replied to  It Is ME @2    4 weeks ago

Quid Pro Quo?

Sure looks like it.

 
 
 
It Is ME
2.1.1  It Is ME  replied to  Greg Jones @2.1    4 weeks ago

It's only good for "Them", not "HIM". jrSmiley_97_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
2.2  seeder  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  It Is ME @2    4 weeks ago

And maybe Israel's P. M. should tell America that no more incredible medical discoveries will be provided unless they stop building anything in Hawaii.  Is that quid pro quo as well?

I have posted here a number of times Israel's historical and legal rights to the areas where settlements are being built. 

 
 
 
It Is ME
2.2.1  It Is ME  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @2.2    4 weeks ago

Now Buzz. jrSmiley_99_smiley_image.jpg

The "Quid Pro Quo ?" I noted was based on the foolish Warren comment, and what is going on in this country right now. 

Warrens....as well as Biden's narratives .... was, and is, a real "Quid Pro Quo"....OR ELSE moment !

Israel is just fine in my book !

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
2.2.2  seeder  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  It Is ME @2.2.1    4 weeks ago

Oh, did I misunderstand what you meant by quid pro quo?  I understood it to mean this:

Quid pro quo ("something for something" in Latin) is a Latin phrase used in English to mean an exchange of goods or services, in which one transfer is contingent upon the other; "a favour for a favour". Phrases with similar meanings include: "give and take", "tit for tat", and "you scratch my back, and I'll scratch yours" and "one hand washes the other".

 
 
 
It Is ME
2.2.3  It Is ME  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @2.2.2    4 weeks ago

I meant ..…. "It's only good for "Them", not "HIM"....as I noted in #2.1.1.

In simple terms....What's bad for the "Gander", seems to be Okay for the "Goose" to say/Do ! 

 
 
 
devangelical
2.2.4  devangelical  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @2.2    4 weeks ago
Israel's historical and legal rights to the areas where settlements are being built. 

based on what? show the signed land title and deed.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
2.2.5  seeder  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  devangelical @2.2.4    4 weeks ago

Show me the land title and deed to America and I'll show you the evidence for Israel's rights.

 
 
 
devangelical
2.2.6  devangelical  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @2.2.5    4 weeks ago

it's fake. a bunch of white guys stole america from the natives and wrote up a new deed using some religious bullshit that everyone else was too afraid or busy to dispute while the land grab was going on.

 
 
 
charger 383
2.2.7  charger 383  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @2.2.5    4 weeks ago

It came from the King of England, who at the time was powerful enough to give such grants

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
2.2.8  seeder  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  charger 383 @2.2.7    4 weeks ago

Yes, lands that were conquered.  So no deed, but ownership by force.  Ancient lands have no actual deed to show.  It is an ownership created by original conquest, declarations, treaties, mandates, rights, and permanent occupation.  So asking a person for a land titles deed of an ancient land is a joke.

 
 
 
devangelical
2.2.9  devangelical  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @2.2.8    4 weeks ago

like somebody saying they hold permanent ownership because their invisible friend told them so and they then wrote it down somewhere?

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
2.2.10  seeder  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  devangelical @2.2.9    4 weeks ago

You know what, I was going to post the proof I have posted a few times before on NT for those who make the same argument that you do, including the proof that was researched and posted by NT members Bob Nelson and kpr37, and by a couple of lawyers, but I've come to the realization that it's not worth the effort because it won't mean anything to you anyway.  I see no purpose in continuing this discussion, even if you, I expect, would reply with a "See, I said you couldn't do it.", so don't waste your fingertips. I'm sure as hell tired of wasting mine on you.

 
 
 
Krishna
2.2.11  Krishna  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @2.2.2    4 weeks ago
Oh, did I misunderstand what you meant by quid pro quo? 

Remember Buzz, we're on social media here-- and on sites like this most users toss around terms without really having any understanding of what they actually mean!

(Its  bad enough when the butcher the English langauge-- when they attemtp to use non-English words or phrases its laughable!

 
 
 
Krishna
2.2.12  Krishna  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @2.2.5    4 weeks ago

Show me the land title and deed to America and I'll show you the evidence for Israel's rights.

Good point.

Israelis should leave the area permanently (but of course that would be only after America returns all the land they've stolen from the Indians). IMO that would be fair!

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
2.2.14  seeder  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Krishna @2.2.12    4 weeks ago

Bravo!

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
2.2.15  seeder  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Krishna @2.2.11    4 weeks ago
"(Its  bad enough when the butcher the English langauge-- when they attemtp to use non-English words or phrases its laughable!"

Did you use the grammar and spelling in that sentence as an example of what you mean?

 
 
 
Krishna
2.2.16  Krishna  replied to  devangelical @2.2.6    4 weeks ago
it's fake

Correct,

Basically we stole the land from the Indians.

In some cases we actually signed treaties with them.

So we have a long history of not keeping our word-- or even adhering to treaties we've actually signed!

Trump's horrendous betrayal of our Kurdish allies is only the latest example. 

EaIier we signed the Iraq Nuclear Deal-- only to go back on that agreement. The world knows that the word of the U.S. is meaningless....

U.S. history is full of examples like this. 

 
 
 
Krishna
2.2.17  Krishna  replied to  Krishna @2.2.16    4 weeks ago

EarIier we signed the Iraq Nuclear Deal-- only to go back on that agreement. The world knows that the word of the U.S. is meaningless....

U.S. history is full of examples like this. 

Think about it: s it any wonder that after the most recent-- our betrayal of the Kurds who fought and died in large number fighting ISIS-- that many of our other most reliable allies are starting to wonder how to prepare tor what will certainly be the next to be betrayed by our " Dear Leade r" -- our Bone-Spur-Challenged Chicken-Hawk-in-Chief ?

 
 
 
Krishna
2.2.18  Krishna  replied to  devangelical @2.2.9    4 weeks ago
like somebody saying they hold permanent ownership because their invisible friend told them so and they then wrote it down somewhere?

The first time I went to the Middle east I was a bit hesitant to visit Israel-- Ithought that everyone would be ultra-religious fundamentalists. Which is a common misconception.

Of course there are group of Jewish religios fanatics (just as there are muslim and to a lesser extent Christian fanatics-- after all, over 20% of Israeli citiizens are non-ewish Arabs)

But on the whole I was quite surprised-- most Israeli Jews I met were generally less religious  than most Americans I've known.\(In any event, your lack of tolerance for peploe,with belief systems different than your own has been noted...)

 
 
 
Krishna
2.2.19  Krishna  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @2.2.10    4 weeks ago
NT members Bob Nelson

Bob Nelson is a Socialist-- he may even be worse than AOC or Bernie Sanders in that regard!

(All those nasty Socialists want is to steal our money, and our freedom. Well-- and maybe steal our vaping things as well...)

And everyone knows that The Socialists (AKA "The Deep State") want to force us to have more Abortions and Hate Our Bibles)..

A nasty lot if I may say so myself!

 
 
 
dave-2693993
2.2.20  dave-2693993  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @2.2.10    4 weeks ago

Actually, the most recent signatures and on current boundaries of Israel are mentioned here, all be it from an Aljeezera perspective. In the end the facts are evident. Though I must confess too much emphasis on "stalemates" and a quote of Col Kahalani out of context to infer we never got closer to Damascus than 35k. It was 20k before the pullback. 

Even from the expected perspective I hope you can open this and watch the vids:

https://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/specialseries/2013/10/remembering-war-october-2013107122612930786.html

Then after returning the Sinai to Egypt:

Israel War & Peace Maps: Israel After Returning Sinai

(1982)

rtnsinai1.gif

 
 
 
Krishna
2.2.21  Krishna  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @2.2.15    4 weeks ago
Did you use the grammar and spelling in that sentence as an example of what you mean?

Only da Shadow Know!

(That video-- well only the sound-- is a 39 second recording of the opening to that olde radio show "The Shadow"-- authentic-- starts with evil laughter then the words:

Who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men? The Shadow Knows" More evil laughter then an introduction. 

I wonder if you can find it on a Chinese site?

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
2.2.22  seeder  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Krishna @2.2.19    4 weeks ago

Being critical of another NT member who has not posted anything on this seed could cause a moderator to delete your comment. Bob has been fastidious in supporting Israel's right to sovereignty over all of Palestine has been matched by more than one legal opinion.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
2.2.23  seeder  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  dave-2693993 @2.2.20    4 weeks ago

Could not open the Al Jazeera article or video - maybe even China thinks it's a bad news site - I know it was banned in Canada.   What amused me, though, was that although the countries around it have been named, they did not put the name "Israel" on that land mass.  Maybe it was considered it Blasphemy to do so.  At least they didn't put the name "Palestine" on it, but they may have referred to it being so in their article or video. The only name on that land mass besides the cities is GAZA, so maybe they meant the whole thing to be GAZA.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
2.2.24  seeder  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Krishna @2.2.21    4 weeks ago

It's okay, I've heard it many times.  As a kid, before the days of TV, I listened to it along with a lot of other favourite radio broadcasts.

 
 
 
dave-2693993
2.2.25  dave-2693993  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @2.2.23    4 weeks ago

Apologies, the map of the 1982 borders was from this source:

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/map-of-israel-after-returning-sinai-1982

The Aljeezra article covered much of the politics during the Yom Kippur war from a slanted perspective.

Yet the borders were what they were.

 
 
 
Krishna
2.2.26  Krishna  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @2.2.24    4 weeks ago
It's okay, I've heard it many times.  As a kid, before the days of TV, I listened to it along with a lot of other favourite radio broadcasts.

When I was a kid and heard

Who knows what  evil lurks in the hearts of men?

For a long time I thought it was saying

Who knows what Eagles lurks in the hearts of men?

I had no idea what that actually meant (at that point I did know what an Eagle was-- but I don't think I ever questioned it-- I never really wondered why eagles would be lurking in peoples' hearts-- it made no sense but somehow I never questioned it!).

 
 
 
Krishna
2.2.27  Krishna  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @2.2.22    4 weeks ago
Being critical of another NT member who has not posted anything on this seed could cause a moderator to delete your comment.

Actually it was intended as sarcasm-- it wasn't intended as criticism of Bob.

But yourright.

When using sarcasm its really better to indicate that its sarcasm-- which I neglected to do.

(Anyway, I don't hate Socialists-- in fact for years I used to consider myself a Socialist.). And i actually like Bob nelson a lot--  amongst other things he's one of the more intelligent people on this site. (Although I can see how moderators might considernhim to be a real pain in the ass, LOL! :-)

P.S: I think I relate well to him because he and I are amongst only three or four people on NT who are ENTPs . . . (in the MBTI system).

 
 
 
dave-2693993
2.2.28  dave-2693993  replied to  Krishna @2.2.27    4 weeks ago

Uh oh, what about those evil ITSJs?

 
 
 
devangelical
2.2.29  devangelical  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @2.2.10    4 weeks ago

blah, blah, blah, expected deflection. israeli borders were established in 1948. by the additional logic expressed here, iraq, kuwait, and half of syria belong to the US, along with most of europe.

PS - american jews outnumber israeli jews. maybe they should be allowed to vote in determining the future direction of the israeli gov't in their biblical homeland.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
2.2.30  seeder  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  devangelical @2.2.29    4 weeks ago

Your comments, supported by your poodles, are Blah blah blah as well.

What borders?  The present divisions are called armistice demarcation lines, and final borders are subject to negotiation according to the Oslo Accords.

So you join in with Ilhan Omar to declare that American Jews have dual loyalties.  Glad you admit your feelings about Jews. I've been waiting for that.

 
 
 
devangelical
2.2.31  devangelical  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @2.2.30    4 weeks ago
Glad you admit your feelings about Jews.

... the uncle leo response...

I've been waiting for that.
 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
2.2.32  seeder  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  devangelical @2.2.31    4 weeks ago

IMPASSE

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
2.2.33  sandy-2021492  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @2.2.32    4 weeks ago

Buzz, if you'd like to issue an impasse, hover your cursor over the avatar of the user, and click on "impasse" in the dropdown box that will appear.  This prevents the other user from responding, so that mods don't have to handle impasse violations.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
2.2.34  seeder  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  sandy-2021492 @2.2.33    4 weeks ago

Okay, just tried a test and it worked.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2.3  JohnRussell  replied to  It Is ME @2    4 weeks ago
"Warren sayswithholding aidto Israel is ‘on the table’ tocurb settlements" Quid Pro Quo ?

As they say, Stevie Wonder could see the difference between this and the Ukraine scandal. . 

 
 
 
It Is ME
2.3.1  It Is ME  replied to  JohnRussell @2.3    4 weeks ago
As they say, Stevie Wonder could see the difference between this and the Ukraine scandal. . 

Do explain ! jrSmiley_80_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Krishna
2.3.2  Krishna  replied to  JohnRussell @2.3    4 weeks ago
As they say, Stevie Wonder could see the difference between this and the Ukraine scandal.

And Sarah Palin could probably see it from her front porch, I'd wager!

(Aside to moderator-- that was just an example at a feeble attempt at humour-- please disregard TIA :-)

 
 
 
Krishna
2.4  Krishna  replied to  It Is ME @2    4 weeks ago
Quid Pro Quo ?

Nope.

Apparently you are unfamiliar with the term "On the Table"

Here's what it means-- it means that something "is being considered".

It does not mean its a policy-- or even that the speaker is even going to do it.

An actual Quid Pro Quo means that certain conditions were actually put in place.

(Often politicaians will use the phrase Thsat "something" (or "everything"0 is "on the table" as a "trial balloon"-- they mention it to see what sort of response it will get.

 
 
 
It Is ME
2.4.1  It Is ME  replied to  Krishna @2.4    4 weeks ago
Apparently you are unfamiliar with the term "On the Table"

Here's what it means-- it means that something "is being considered".

It does not mean its a policy-- or even that the speaker is even going to do it.

Interesting.....Unless ? jrSmiley_87_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
charger 383
3  charger 383    4 weeks ago

Warren greatly underestimates the influence Israel has in the US

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
3.1  seeder  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  charger 383 @3    4 weeks ago

What does withholding the aid promised Israel by an agreement signed by her former leader unless Israel does her bidding called?  I call it blackmail, and I'm sure if I can identify it as such, then an awful lot of voters will as well, except of course "The Squad" and those who venerate them.

 
 
 
Krishna
3.1.1  Krishna  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @3.1    4 weeks ago
I call it blackmail,

Recently a different term has suddenly become fairly popular in the media: "Quid Pro Quo". (Suddenly everybody's a legal expert-- orr at least thinks they are! (Such is the power of social media! :-)

Any in any event, its always fun to throw around legal terms...or even just any old latin words and phrases...in some cases people are impressed!

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
3.1.2  seeder  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Krishna @3.1.1    4 weeks ago

Sorry - maybe I shouldn't have used the legal word "blackmail" unless I had used the Latin translation of it, but I flunked Latin in third year high school so I had to settle for the relatively mundane word "blackmail".

 
 
 
Krishna
3.1.3  Krishna  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @3.1.2    4 weeks ago
Sorry - maybe I shouldn't have used the legal word "blackmail" unless I had used the Latin translation of it, but I flunked Latin in third year high school so I had to settle for the relatively mundane word "blackmail".

I wasn't being clear-- I was not referring to you!

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
3.1.4  seeder  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Krishna @3.1.3    4 weeks ago

You started your paragraph with a quotation of what I said, so what was I to think?

 
 
 
Krishna
3.1.5  Krishna  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @3.1    4 weeks ago
"The Squad" and those who venerate them.

Not to belittle the power of "the Suad" but remember-- this is not The Canadian Parliament we're talking about here. They are only four people-- and Congress has 425 members of the House, 100 in the Senate (for the math challenged, that means 535 members of Congress total-- they are only four.!

So, like the vast powers the trump supporters think that Hillary has-- the power of those four is an illusion-- at best!. 

 
 
 
Krishna
3.1.6  Krishna  replied to  Krishna @3.1.5    4 weeks ago

So, like the vast powers the trump supporters think that Hillary has-- the power of those four is an illusion-- at best!. 

BTW-- some of them are freshman-persons (or all-- I forget and refuse to google that)  And inCongress seniority bestows power (not as much as Hillary is cuyrrently feared to have...but still...)

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
3.1.7  seeder  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Krishna @3.1.5    4 weeks ago

Canada's Parliament has both House of Commons members AND a Senate. There are 338 members of the House and 105 Senators for a total of 443.  Perhaps that is not as many as 535, but it isn't that much different. One must also consider that America's population is about 10 times that of Canada.

"...the power of those four is an illusion-- at best!

In the Democratic party they are coddled and supported.  They had the power to have a resolution watered down from being strongly condemning antisemitism to being a wishy-washy useless generalization.

 
 
 
dave-2693993
3.1.8  dave-2693993  replied to  Krishna @3.1.1    4 weeks ago
or even just any old latin words and phrases...in some cases people are impressed!

Well I wonder why I rarely see my favourite Latin word in print?

Puella. 

Then there is the funniest Latin phrase: Superbus longus bonus.

Come across that phrase in a 9th grade reading and all learning is shot for that days lesson.

True story.

 
 
 
Krishna
3.1.9  Krishna  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @3.1.2    4 weeks ago
so I had to settle for the relatively mundane word "blackmail".

'Im wondering if the term"Blackmail" is politically correct? It might be considered to be racist? ("Black")

Also, perhaps sexist ("mail" which is an obvious misppellingn of "male":).

 
 
 
Krishna
3.1.10  Krishna  replied to  dave-2693993 @3.1.8    4 weeks ago
Puella.

Sounds a bit "off-colour"!

(Actually its one of the few latin words the meaning of which I know.L

 
 
 
dave-2693993
3.1.11  dave-2693993  replied to  Krishna @3.1.10    4 weeks ago

Oh, I get to fit one of these in. There she is. 

800

The other phrase is just as funny in English as it looks in Latin to a class of 9th graders.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
3.1.12  seeder  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Krishna @3.1.9    4 weeks ago

Maybe we had better whitewash the word "blackmail".  There was an article posted a while ago where we came up with the many words that have to be changed because they could be deemed sexist, like "mailman" which would have to change to "personperson" to make the social justice warriors and the "metoo#" crowd happy.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
3.1.13  seeder  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  dave-2693993 @3.1.11    4 weeks ago

You have my permission to post her photos on ANY article of mine and I will NEVER consider it off topic.

 
 
 
Krishna
3.1.14  Krishna  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @3.1.4    4 weeks ago
You started your paragraph with a quotation of what I said, so what was I to think?

Sorry for that.

I am very tired so I'm probably making occasional typos -- and being unclear occasionally. I had less sleep than usual last night-- got up early to attempt to do something I've never done before-- do a trade on the stock market before it opened.(First time I tried it-- I succeeded!). After much checking, I finally decided to finally "pull the trigger"(actually put in an order to sell the stock)before the open.

It was trading on the exchange in  NY City-- they use eastern Std time. They open at 9:30 AM EST. It used to be you could only trade when the exchanges were open , 9:30 AM EST - 4.pm est. But now in some cases you can trade before and after hours.

I did the first trade later than originally planned-- at 8:46 AM-- before the open! Another at 9:02 AM EST. . 

It was very successful, but emotionally draining-- I plan to sleep late and take tomorrow off!

 
 
 
dave-2693993
3.1.15  dave-2693993  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @3.1.13    4 weeks ago

Thank you Buzz.

Just greeted her in her morning and wished her a nice day as she left for work.

Then tomorrow she goes to visit family and friends in her hometown of Kherson.

 
 
 
Krishna
3.1.16  Krishna  replied to  Krishna @3.1.14    4 weeks ago
I did the first trade later than originally planned-- at 8:46 AM-- before the open! Another at 9:02 AM EST. . 

here's the chart : LINK

 
 
 
Krishna
3.2  Krishna  replied to  charger 383 @3    4 weeks ago

Warren greatly underestimates the influence Israel has in the US

Maybe. Maybe not.

Many politicians love to use terms like "its on the table" meaning its being considerd. Among other things, tjhis is oftendone in hopes of convincing voters that they're "open-minded? and "flexible". But since it jeans it certainly isn't yet an actual "done deal" (or an actual "Quid Pro Quo") yet-- its easy for them to later say they considered it and then decided it wasn't a good idea.

Given the popularity of Israel in the overall population, I was surprised whe  early on in the campaign Trump mentioned that "perhaps we should consider reining in the (israeli) settlements"-- or words to that effect. IMO it made him look "open-minded". Of course he never mentioned it again, so ultimately it was meaningless..

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
3.2.1  seeder  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Krishna @3.2    4 weeks ago

How does ANYONE know what to expect from Trump?  What's fish today is fowl tomorrow.  First he moves the Embassy to Jerusalem, then he accepts that Israel has sovereignty over the Golan Heights, next his "Deal of the Century" could give all of the Israeli settlements to Hamas. He could argue that you have to have "quid pro quo" to make a good deal so everyone needs to give and take to be fair.

 
 
 
dave-2693993
3.2.2  dave-2693993  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @3.2.1    4 weeks ago

Besides Israel did not join us at Normandy.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
3.2.3  seeder  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  dave-2693993 @3.2.2    4 weeks ago

LOL.  I understand the sarcasm.  And of course the present "State of Israel" was preceded by Normandy.

But didn't Israeli Sabras join the British army?  I got that from watching the movie Exodus where Ari Ben Canaan (Paul Newman) said he served with His Majesty's Jewish Forces.

Why did the UK recruit an army of Jews during World War II https://www.quora.com/Why-did-the-UK-recruit-an-army-of-Jews-during-World-War-II-the... The Jewish Brigade wasn't an army of Jews, it was a brigade in the British Army composed of Jews from British-ruled Mandatory Palestine, now Israel and the Palestinian territories. Although it was commanded by officers who were British Jews,

 
 
 
Krishna
3.2.4  Krishna  replied to  dave-2693993 @3.2.2    4 weeks ago
Besides Israel did not join us at Normandy.

LOL!

That's correct.

But of course the so-called  "Palestinians" did join the war effort.. (but on the other side!)

The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem seeks Hitler's aid in making the Middle East "Judenfrei"

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Krishna
3.2.5  Krishna  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @3.2.1    4 weeks ago
How does ANYONE know what to expect from Trump? 

Well he claims that every time he lies or otherwise attempts to mislead people (and entire countrie!) its OK-- because that's merely "negotiating tactics"!

 
 
 
dave-2693993
3.2.6  dave-2693993  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @3.2.3    4 weeks ago
LOL.  I understand the sarcasm.  And of course the present "State of Israel" was preceded by Normandy.

But didn't Israeli Sabras join the British army?  I got that from watching the movie Exodus where Ari Ben Canaan (Paul Newman) said he served with His Majesty's Jewish Forces.

Why did the UK recruit an army of Jews during World War II https://www.quora.com/Why-did-the-UK-recruit-an-army-of-Jews-during-World-War-II-the ... The Jewish Brigade wasn't an army of Jews, it was a brigade in the British Army composed of Jews from British-ruled Mandatory Palestine, now Israel and the Palestinian territories. Although it was commanded by officers who were British Jews,

shhhhh. You are letting too much of the cat out of the bag.

Seriously, certainly a pivotal and interesting time.

Hard work, smart work and ingenuity. 

 
 
 
dave-2693993
3.2.7  dave-2693993  replied to  Krishna @3.2.4    4 weeks ago
The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem seeks Hitler's aid in making the Middle East "Judenfrei"

Says a lot right there.

 
 
 
dave-2693993
3.2.8  dave-2693993  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @3.2.3    4 weeks ago
Ari Ben Canaan

I could be mistaken, but I think that movie character is why I tend to confuse Avi, a good friend, my ride and "handler" and eventual inlaw while married to the ex, with the name Ari.

 
 
 
Krishna
3.4  Krishna  replied to  charger 383 @3    4 weeks ago
the influence Israel has in the US

And it has it for good reason!

 
 
 
bbl-1
4  bbl-1    4 weeks ago

Back to the premise of this seed.

A threat to withhold funding to curb additional Israeli settlements?

Not sure about that.  But, it may be prudent to audit the US taxpayer funds to Israel to make sure the funding is needed, necessary and accomplishing what is intended.

After all, are there not current investigations under going in Israel concerning questionable money practices and exchanges?

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
4.1  seeder  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  bbl-1 @4    4 weeks ago

This is my seed. You have a lot of nerve trying to steer the threads back to the topic of the seed when we're all having so much fun with it. 

However, seriously, I'm sure it would withstand audit, since most of that military aid must be spent back in the USA anyway.

 
 
 
bbl-1
4.1.1  bbl-1  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @4.1    4 weeks ago

Absolutely.  Nothing to fear if there's nothing to hide, right?

It is US taxpayer money.  Audit.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
4.1.2  seeder  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  bbl-1 @4.1.1    4 weeks ago

Go ahead and audit. I'm positive every dollar has been put to good use. Have you ever seen at least in the many times I have posted lists of the benefits that the USA gets from that military aid, the many benefits of all kinds that America gets from Israel?  Now, compare that to the American aid provided to all the other countries in the world who are not required to spend that aid back in the USA and who provide NO BENEFITS WHATSOEVER to the USA. Is loyalty a payback, because it sure is a fragile thing. 

 
 
 
Krishna
4.2  Krishna  replied to  bbl-1 @4    4 weeks ago
A threat to withhold funding to curb additional Israeli settlements?

Yes-- that would definitely be a "Quid Pro Quo"-- if it was actually carried out.

(But this seed mentions Warren saying that its "on the table"-- which only means its being considered. Considering something is definitely not a Quid Pro Quo)/

 
 
 
bbl-1
4.2.1  bbl-1  replied to  Krishna @4.2    4 weeks ago

Sure.  Except is the US taxpayer money 'earmarked' for settlements?  I doubt it.

'Quid Pro Quo."  Whatever.  But I'll bet you a dime on the dollar that six months ago if you'd asked Trump what that term meant he------wouldn't know.  I am being polite.

 
 
 
Krishna
4.2.2  Krishna  replied to  bbl-1 @4.2.1    4 weeks ago

is the US taxpayer money 'earmarked' for settlements?  I doubt it.

Could be-- but I doubt it.

The building of settlements do not help the U.S. in any way (nor do they actually block any peace settlement-- contrary to the outpurings of the Arab propaganda machines)

Incidentally foreign aid is usually divided intio two categories-- military and/or economic. I haven't followed the Middle east closely (or even been there) for quite a while, but ;last I checked, Israel gets only (or almost entirely) military aid. *They do not have the capacity to manufacture the most advanced military jet panes for example)..

And while most Americans aren't aware of it-- we more than "get ou money's worth" in that regard.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
4.2.3  seeder  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  bbl-1 @4.2.1    4 weeks ago

I doubt that it's earmarked for settlements as well, and since it's military aid and earmarked for military spending, most of which is "earmarked" for and required to be spent back in the USA I very much doubt that it's spent on settlements.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
4.2.4  seeder  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Krishna @4.2.2    4 weeks ago

Israel has not received economic aid from the USA for many years, perhaps many decades.

 
 
 
Krishna
4.3  Krishna  replied to  bbl-1 @4    4 weeks ago
to make sure the funding is needed, necessary and accomplishing what is intended.

In whose opinion.

Certainly you're not naive enough to believe it would be "objective"?.

If the Dems did the auditing, you can be sure their first priority would have nothing to do with Israel or the Arabs-- rather it would be to somehow do it in a way that would make Trump look bad.

And if the Republicans did it, rest assured their priority would be to make Trump look good-- even God-like! (well, with perhaps an occasional swipe at some politician who's long gone from office. Hillary maybe. or Obama. Or...maybe even...Rutherford B. Hayes?? (Peace Be Upon Him!)

 
 
 
bbl-1
4.3.1  bbl-1  replied to  Krishna @4.3    4 weeks ago

Make Trump look bad?  No offense Krishna, but he is doing fine by himself.

 
 
 
Krishna
4.3.2  Krishna  replied to  bbl-1 @4.3.1    4 weeks ago
Make Trump look bad?  No offense Krishna, but he is doing fine by himself.

Good point!

Perhaps I should've said:

Make Trump look even worse

(or words to that effect)

 
 
 
Krishna
4.4  Krishna  replied to  bbl-1 @4    4 weeks ago

After all, are there not current investigations under going in Israel concerning questionable money practices and exchanges?

Of course there are.

But at least there's one thing we can be grateful for-- at least there aren't any such investigation like that going on in your country.

Nope-- not even a single one.

(heck-- probably nothing like that in any other countries of the world...)

 
 
 
bbl-1
4.4.1  bbl-1  replied to  Krishna @4.4    4 weeks ago

Of course.  Except the duo of Lev and Igor-------------uh------I'll just let that set for now.  Could be some giggles and red faces on the horizon.  Russian money.  Just Russian money.

 
 
 
Krishna
4.4.2  Krishna  replied to  bbl-1 @4.4.1    4 weeks ago
Of course.  Except the duo of Lev and Igor-------------uh------I'll just let that set for now.  Could be some giggles and red faces on the horizon.  Russian money.  Just Russian money.

I think in the near future there will be revealed many, many more instances of corruption by Trump and in fact by the entire Trump Crime Family.

320 .

The Barrs and the Giulianis of the world will do their best to try to cover them up, and will be successful to some degree. 

But eventually the truth will come out.

(Barr's a lot cleverer than Giuliani-- but there's so much corruption there that eventually most of it will become public knowledge.).

P.S: I am surprised at how much Giuliani has deteriorated mentally recently-- years ago he was fairly same. 

 
 
 
Krishna
4.4.3  Krishna  replied to  Krishna @4.4.2    4 weeks ago
same. 

That should read "sane".

 
 
 
Krishna
4.4.4  Krishna  replied to  bbl-1 @4.4.1    4 weeks ago
Russian money.  Just Russian money.

Yes-- Trump is a Russian puppet.

(But everyone already knows that...)

 
 
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