Trump supporters are addicted to his chaos and lies — and pose a growing risk of violence as the president becomes cornered: political scientist

  
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Trump supporters are addicted to his chaos and lies — and pose a growing risk of violence as the president becomes cornered: political scientist
Trump’s supporters are addicted to the chaos and lies. They too want to “burn it all down”. Trump and his supporters are the political beast with two backs, linked forever by insatiable lust.

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Trump supporters are addicted to his chaos and lies — and pose a growing risk of violence as the president becomes cornered: political scientist


Donald Trump is a human maelstrom of chaos, disorder, lies and destruction — as has at least partly been exposed by Tuesday’s damaging Capitol Hill testimony from Bill Taylor, the top U.S. diplomat in Ukraine.

Trump’s supporters are addicted to the chaos and lies . They too want to “burn it all down”. Trump and his supporters are the political beast with two backs, linked forever by insatiable lust.

The recent examples are too numerous to fully detail and list. Trump has  encouraged and aided ethnic cleansing, and possible genocide,  against the Kurds in Syria. He has engaged in multiple abuses of power, including obstruction of justice. He has tried to bribe and extort the Ukrainian president. He has violated the emoluments clause of the United States Constitution in any number of ways. He has ordered administration officials not to comply with subpoenas issued by Congress. He has spread racist or anti-Semitic conspiracy theories. He has  threatened violence against leading Democrats, the news media and others  who dare to criticize him.


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Nonwhite migrants and refugees continue to be abused  in Donald Trump’s concentration camps and by his enforcers in the Border Patrol and ICE.

New reporting by  William Cohan at Vanity Fair  suggests that Trump, may be manipulating the stock market for his (or his friends’) personal financial gain. Given  Trump’s overall profligate nature , greed and utter disregard for the law, the possibility that the president of the United States is involved in such a brazen criminal scheme is not as preposterous as it should be.

Ultimately, it would be better for the United States and the world right now if we replaced Donald Trump with nobody and nothing. A power vacuum is infinitely preferable to this human chaos machine.







Given his statements and deeds, will there be violence if Donald Trump is removed from office? How is Trump’s regime weakening the United States abroad and encouraging global chaos including the possibility of major new wars? What types of reforms are necessary to prevent someone like Donald Trump from taking power in the United States ever again? And then, a terrifying question: If Donald Trump is re-elected in 2020 will American democracy survive?

In an effort to answer these questions I recently spoke with Brian Klaas. He is an assistant professor of global politics at University College London and the author of several books, including “ The Despot’s Apprentice: Donald Trump’s Attack on Democracy ” and “ The Despot’s Accomplice: How the West is Aiding and Abetting the Decline of Democracy .” His most recent book (written with Nic Cheeseman) is “ How to Rig an Election .”

In September, The Washington Post featured Klaas’ widely-read op-ed  “Everyone knows the 2020 election will be divisive. But will it also be violent?”

This conversation has been edited for clarity and length.  You can also listen to  my full conversation with Brian Klaas through the player embedded below.

Several weeks ago you wrote an op-ed in the Washington Post where you shared your concerns about how Donald Trump may inspire political violence, especially if he loses the 2020 election. Given the recent developments with impeachment, how do you feel about your earlier assessment?

The only addendum I would add is that the dynamics I spoke about in the Washington Post essay regarding the election and violence could be moved forward as volatility around the impeachment proceedings. It’s also worrying to hear some prominent right-wing voices like Ben Shapiro and Roger Stone talk openly about the risk of violence if they don’t get their way on certain things. Even flirting with endorsing violence can cause people on the fringes to view that as a call to arms, and that’s very, very dangerous.

At this point in Trump’s presidency, are matters better or worse than you expected?

There are two levels of analysis. On one hand, in 2017 when I wrote “The Despot’s Apprentice,” I said that if the next election, meaning the 2018 midterms, went the right way, that there was a good fighting chance for American democracy to be salvageable and to not suffer serious damage from the Trump presidency.

Of course the 2018 midterms did not go perfectly, but they went the right way in the sense that the Democrats got a key foothold by taking back the House. Consider the last few weeks: If voters hadn’t shown up in 2018 and given Democrats formal power in the House of Representatives ,Republicans would have buried the Ukraine call. The Republicans would have buried all of Trump’s scandals. And Trump’s behavior would be even worse without any checks on him.

So, on the one hand, that is a very positive story. On the other hand, America is still not out of the woods yet, because Donald Trump could get away with all of his misconduct in the form of not being impeached or removed from office. Trump could also get re-elected. What I really worry about is how Donald Trump will respond if he gets voter endorsement by getting re-elected. Because, as authoritarian figures do, he tends to ratchet up his behavior as soon as he gets away with something. Trump tests the limits, gets away with it, matters get worse, Trump then repeats the cycle. It is going to be a very long year or so until the 2020 presidential election.

Did the Mueller report and its outcome actually encourage Donald Trump and his apparent lawbreaking and other assaults on American democracy?

If you read the Mueller report, it is extraordinarily damning. It outlines a horrific series of abuses of power, obstruction of justice, and Trump’s willingness to play with national security for his own personal gain. The framers worried about all of those things. But for Trump and for his acolytes, the Mueller report somehow exonerated him. And the way that Attorney General William Barr spun the report with his memo, I hate to say it, was brilliant. It worked extremely well as a political tactic. It set the narrative in a way that the Democrats didn’t have a good counter for.

And so by getting away with that, Donald Trump appeared to be vindicated. It’s not a surprise that the Ukraine call comes right after this period in which Trump believes that he’s gotten away with the Mueller investigation.

The question then becomes, “OK, let’s imagine Trump survives impeachment? What’s the next thing where he feels vindicated? What’s the next thing where he ratchets up his bad behavior?” There are already many other matters that we are not aware of, given the pattern of behavior from Trump’s White House. What the world has seen from Trump when the curtains have been pulled back just a little bit is horrifying.

I’m not confident that we’re out of the woods in terms of future abuses if Donald Trump feels, as he did with the Mueller report, that he’s been vindicated by the Ukraine scandal.

How do these claims about Donald Trump being a de facto king or emperor, through the “unitary executive theory,” fit into your research on how democracies fail and then become authoritarian regimes?

In authoritarian governments, particularly when they were democracies before, the regime consolidates power by slowly co-opting institutions to work for the leader rather than for the country or the citizens. That is happening even more rapidly under Trump than even I anticipated with this Ukraine scandal.

Two major institutions of United States policy have been co-opted for Trump’s personal and political gain. That is, rule of law through the Department of Justice as well as United States foreign policy. Barr is going around the world trying to get allies to basically discredit U.S. intelligence agencies and U.S. federal investigators from the FBI because he thinks it would help Trump undermine the Mueller report. At the same time Barr is doing that he is also using his full weight of his office as attorney general to try to protect Donald Trump by going after Trump’s political rivals.

Donald Trump is shamelessly using U.S. foreign policy and national security as a bargaining chip in order to force and leverage investigations of political opponents. This is absolute textbook behavior in an authoritarian regime. The way that you go after your rivals, if you’re a despot in an authoritarian regime, is by basically bending the institutions to work for you against them. In countries where corruption is rampant, only the president’s rivals get investigated and prosecuted for corruption. In the developing world, anti-corruption crackdowns are really purges of the authoritarian leader’s enemies.

Are you surprised by how Trump’s norm-breaking has become so normalized so quickly?

The American people appears to be numb to Trump’s behavior. Trump has recently suggested that Joe Biden should be put in the electric chair. He’s called Adam Schiff treasonous, implying, therefore, that he should be executed. Trump has threatened Nancy Pelosi the same way. It’s not even a news story. Trump’s threats of murder and violence are objectively the most insane behavior of any U.S. president in history, at least in modern history, and it’s just a blip on the radar.

The news stories that traditionally define presidencies are now the news stories that define one hour on Monday morning until the next what-was-once-unthinkable thing happens. That is the death of accountability, because if you can behave in such a way as Trump is behaving and the American people don’t even pay attention for longer than an hour until the next crazy tweet, then you can get away with anything because you know it’s just a ratcheting effect where you shock people.

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JohnRussell
1  seeder  JohnRussell    3 weeks ago
If you read the Mueller report, it is extraordinarily damning. It outlines a horrific series of abuses of power, obstruction of justice, and Trump’s willingness to play with national security for his own personal gain. The framers worried about all of those things. But for Trump and for his acolytes, the Mueller report somehow exonerated him.
 
 
 
JohnRussell
2  seeder  JohnRussell    3 weeks ago
The American people appears to be numb to Trump’s behavior. Trump has recently suggested that Joe Biden should be put in the electric chair. He’s called Adam Schiff treasonous, implying, therefore, that he should be executed. Trump has threatened Nancy Pelosi the same way. It’s not even a news story. Trump’s threats of murder and violence are objectively the most insane behavior of any U.S. president in history, at least in modern history, and it’s just a blip on the radar.
 
 
 
WallyW
2.1  WallyW  replied to  JohnRussell @2    3 weeks ago

Crap like this thread actively encourages violence (or  worse) against Trump

 
 
 
katrix
2.1.1  katrix  replied to  WallyW @2.1    3 weeks ago
Crap like this thread actively encourages violence (or  worse) against Trump

Only a Trump worshipper could decide that an article which talks about how Trump incites violence, and what a shitty president he is, is actually encouraging violence against their orange god.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
2.1.2  Vic Eldred  replied to  katrix @2.1.1    3 weeks ago
about how Trump incites violence

He isn't very good at that unless you are blaming the President for antifa.

and what a shitty president he is

Only if your'e a progressive


is actually encouraging violence against their orange god.

Ok, that's what I thought.  He is responsible for the violence coming from the left. Now I got ya!


Congrats to John - this must be chapter 245 of the relentless attack on the President and 63 million decent Americans.

 
 
 
Heartland American
2.1.3  Heartland American  replied to  WallyW @2.1    3 weeks ago

 In general, story selection always favors the left and frequently has an  anti-Trump tone . Raw Story has published misleading articles that promote miracle cures such as this one:  Scientists discover virus that kills all grades of breast cancer ‘within seven days’.  This headline is misleading, as within the article they clearly state “but not in normal mammary epithelial cells.” When it comes to consensus science, they sometimes promote  anti-GMO propaganda,  however they also publish credible  scientifically sound  information as well.

factual search  reveals a  Half-True  claim from Politifact as well as a  false claim  and an  Unproven  claim with Snopes.

Overall, we rate Raw Story Left Biased based on story selection that favors the left and Mixed for factual reporting due to a half-true, false and unproven claims, as well as promotion of mild pseudoscience misinformation.  (5/15/2016) Updated (M. Huitsing 7/26/2019)

Source:  https://www.rawstory.com/   https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/raw-story/

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
2.1.4  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  WallyW @2.1    3 weeks ago

Excuse me?  It is his supporters actively encouraging violence with the bs civil threat and them using bear spray on a crowd of protesters against the orange king.  

 
 
 
†hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh
2.1.5  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @2.1.4    3 weeks ago

I'd like to buy a vowel, wait I think I can solve this puzzle.

 
 
 
dennis smith
2.2  dennis smith  replied to  JohnRussell @2    3 weeks ago

Wrong, the American people are numb to the idiots who run the House.

Cherry picking comments is your style so it is fitting that you and those who agree like sheep are typically viewed without merit.

 
 
 
bbl-1
3  bbl-1    3 weeks ago

Trumpers are not addicted to anything.  They believe they are a part of something which does not exist.  And the 'real part' of the Trumpian façade would never allow their entry, the gossamer veils of the Mar a Lago mystique shuns the prospect of being soiled. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
3.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  bbl-1 @3    3 weeks ago

They are addicted. They are addicted to pretending he is right when he tells them they are "winning". 

 
 
 
bbl-1
3.1.1  bbl-1  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1    3 weeks ago

Addicted?  No.  Deceived. 

The addiction is false.  The deception is real.

"I alone can fix it," DJT.  Is not an addiction.  It is a deception.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
3.1.2  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1    3 weeks ago

They are so addicted to the Kool AId that they all look orange.

 
 
 
r.t..b...
3.2  r.t..b...  replied to  bbl-1 @3    3 weeks ago
They believe they are a part of something which does not exist.

I respectfully disagree. Sadly, they reflect the ugliest, darkest, and still relevant emotions of our past. That being the feeling that we were somehow better when those among us that were systemically voiceless remained voiceless. If that meant segments of our population were disenfranchised, so be it, as the rules of engagement were specifically defined. The solace found in maintaining the status quo is the zero sum game they want to play. And if others do not choose to play in their game, they would rather take their ball home than level the playing field.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
4  XDm9mm    3 weeks ago

What more needs to be said?

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Source:  https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/raw-story/

 
 
 
Tessylo
4.1  Tessylo  replied to  XDm9mm @4    3 weeks ago

When you've got nothing, like you, as usual, dispute the source.

 
 
 
lady in black
4.1.1  lady in black  replied to  Tessylo @4.1    3 weeks ago

Of course, what else is new

 
 
 
Heartland American
4.1.2  Heartland American  replied to  lady in black @4.1.1    3 weeks ago

And yet the left does this all the time to conservatives sources.  

 
 
 
dennis smith
4.1.3  dennis smith  replied to  Tessylo @4.1    3 weeks ago

Disputing the source is JR's usual response to any articles he disagrees with. Shooting the messenger is his norm. When called on it he deflects and spins.

 
 
 
bbl-1
4.2  bbl-1  replied to  XDm9mm @4    3 weeks ago

Truth has no arrows.  Only the weak and insipid need their guidance.

 
 
 
Ronin2
4.2.1  Ronin2  replied to  bbl-1 @4.2    3 weeks ago

If you think this is the truth, then truth is dead.

This is a political hit piece full of unsubstantiated bullshit.

This writer could very well be a Putin bot.

 
 
 
Heartland American
4.2.2  Heartland American  replied to  bbl-1 @4.2    3 weeks ago

That is what MBFC is for.  We agree on that at least. 

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
4.2.3  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Heartland American @4.2.2    3 weeks ago

I am putting on my stupid hat to ask this....what is the MBFC?

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
4.3  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  XDm9mm @4    3 weeks ago

Bingo!

 
 
 
JohnRussell
4.4  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  XDm9mm @4    3 weeks ago

We had an active major league baseball umpire , just a few days ago, tweet our a picture of himself with his rifle saying that if Trump is impeached there will be a civil war. 

Don't tell us Trump supporters will not threaten violence on his behalf. They are already doing it in some cases. 

 
 
 
bbl-1
4.4.1  bbl-1  replied to  JohnRussell @4.4    3 weeks ago

The umpire, Wiles, Gorkin, Miller and all the rest.  MAGA is not a builder.  It is dismantler.

Putin wants violence.  He demands it.  Why the American right wing threatens to deliver it is a mystery.  Then again, maybe it isn't.  ( Theocratic Autocracy? )

 
 
 
JohnRussell
4.4.2  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  bbl-1 @4.4.1    3 weeks ago

Let's face it. We know why people on the right support Trump. It has been displayed and obvious all along. 

They think he "makes liberals cry". 

They think he supports and praises their "traditional American lifestyle"

They are flattered that a "billionaire" will come to their local auditorium and rabble rouse them.

They are brainwashed by years and years of devotion to Fox News and Rush Limbaugh. 

They desire a return to a "white nation" as propagated by their forefathers and forefathers forefathers. 

They want to live vicariously through a rich guy. 

At this stage many of them are in too deep, psychologically, to turn back now. 

 
 
 
Dean Moriarty
4.4.3  Dean Moriarty  replied to  JohnRussell @4.4    3 weeks ago

Are you prepping bro? 

 
 
 
bbl-1
4.4.4  bbl-1  replied to  JohnRussell @4.4.2    3 weeks ago

Liberals do not cry. 

The only crying is done by conservatives who lament their victory is not permanent and delivers nothing.  More importantly, conservatives know their 'victory' was temporarily-delivered by entities beyond our borders. 

"In to deep." ? ?  The MAGA Hat base has been Supply Sided into oblivion.  As long as SSE continues to breathe there isn't anyplace to turn.  This is why they turn on themselves and others.

Beyond redemption?  Possibly, but not absolutely.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
4.4.5  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  bbl-1 @4.4.4    3 weeks ago
Liberals do not cry.  The only crying is done by conservatives who lament their victory is not permanent and delivers nothing. 

And finally, the difference.............................

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
4.4.6  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @4.4.5    3 weeks ago

Miss Silicon Valley is hoping for a post election grope from Hair Hitler.

 
 
 
dennis smith
4.4.7  dennis smith  replied to  JohnRussell @4.4    3 weeks ago

Again with he cherry picking

 
 
 
dennis smith
4.4.8  dennis smith  replied to  JohnRussell @4.4.2    3 weeks ago

You have no idea what others think so put away your magic 8 ball.

 
 
 
dennis smith
4.4.9  dennis smith  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @4.4.5    3 weeks ago

The dems have followed suit for over 3 years and are still whining and crying. Can you imagine how much better America would be now if they had spent 3 years of doing instead of whimpering?

 
 
 
†hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh
4.4.10  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh  replied to  JohnRussell @4.4.2    3 weeks ago
Let's face it. We know why people on the right support Trump. It has been displayed and obvious all along. 

They like low minority unemployment. Something Democrats have never achieved or contributed to.

They think he "makes liberals cry". 

Actually, they only like watching you.

They think he supports and praises their "traditional American lifestyle"

You have traditional values as you've expressed on the site numerous times.

They are flattered that a "billionaire" will come to their local auditorium and rabble rouse them.

How is that different from your favorite moonbat Millionaire candidate pretending they hate wealth and virtue signaling in front of a group of 30?

They are brainwashed by years and years of devotion to Fox News and Rush Limbaugh. 

Your devotion to fake news on MSNBC and CNN inspired you to seed thousands of debunked conspiracies on this site.

They desire a return to a "white nation" as propagated by their forefathers and forefathers forefathers. 

You are whiter than most of us and live in the most segregated city in America. You often refer to black men as Uncle Toms and Sell outs. Not a good place to pretend you are the most tolerant white man. We know you.

They want to live vicariously through a rich guy. 

They want the opportunity to create wealth instead of residing to retire with miserable pension and social security while spending their golden years on an internet forum complaining about income inequality and and suffering from envy and bitterness.

At this stage many of them are in too deep, psychologically, to turn back now. 

I believe that might have been the first honest self reflective statement you've made on this forum.

 
 
 
MrFrost
4.4.11  MrFrost  replied to  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh @4.4.10    3 weeks ago
They like low minority unemployment. Something Democrats have never achieved or contributed to.

It's been dropping for the last 10 years. 

https://www.npr.org/2018/01/08/576552028/fact-check-trump-touts-low-unemployment-rates-for-african-americans-hispanics

 
 
 
dennis smith
4.4.12  dennis smith  replied to  MrFrost @4.4.11    3 weeks ago

It has reached its lowest with Trump as POTUS.. 

 
 
 
lady in black
5  lady in black    3 weeks ago

Guess they forgot about the faux "christian", faux "family values" troglodyte faux pastor

https://www.newsweek.com/pastor-warns-trump-removed-cowboys-mountain-men-guys-fight-hunt-down-democrats-1467329

PASTOR WARNS IF TRUMP IS REMOVED FROM OFFICE, 'GUYS THAT KNOW HOW TO FIGHT' WILL HUNT DOWN DEMOCRATS

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
5.1  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  lady in black @5    3 weeks ago

Trump supporters really need to stop binge watching The Purge.

 
 
 
JBB
6  JBB    3 weeks ago

It is really no wonder the once Grand Old Party of Abraham Lincoln is now often referred to as, "the damn gop". The Big R Republican Party of olde has devolved unto the smaller r republican small g gop of today. 

Also, TRUMP IS TOAST...

 
 
 
Nerm_L
7  Nerm_L    3 weeks ago

What interviews like these reveal is that the left's greatest worry is that people will stop listening.  The left has been ratcheting up the use of buzzwords that are intended to heighten public fear and to attract attention.  The public has become less amenable to being outraged by merely mentioning the left's favorite dog whistles.  Now the left must utilize the language of terror to attract attention.  The political status quo built upon shaming, guilt, and outrage is crumbling.

Violence is not the real threat.  What the left fears most is that the public will stop listening.  

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
7.1  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Nerm_L @7    3 weeks ago

You nailed it. That is why they have to keep something in the wings for the next meal of red meat and shiny objects. Hell, AP and others are even prepping as we type bringing Summer Zervos back into the fray......................

https://www.thewrap.com/former-apprentice-contestant-summer-zervos-says-trump-organization-records-back-up-her-sexual-assault-accusation/

 
 
 
JBB
8  JBB    3 weeks ago

According to the FBI by far the greatest current threat posed to the peace and security of The United States of America today is the one posed by dangerous violent white supremacists like the KKK, Aryan Nations, Skin Heads, Proud Boys, Republicans and other such organized race based radical rightwing hate groups!

 
 
 
livefreeordie
8.1  livefreeordie  replied to  JBB @8    3 weeks ago

There are more violent Somali jihadists in Minnesota than there are white supremacists in the entire country

more people are murdered every week in Chicago, Baltimore, Washington DC, and New Orleans by black gangs, then are killed every YEAR by the so-called white supremacists

 
 
 
r.t..b...
8.1.1  r.t..b...  replied to  livefreeordie @8.1    3 weeks ago
more people are murdered every week in Chicago, Baltimore, Washington DC, and New Orleans by black gangs, then are killed every YEAR by the so-called white supremacists

That almost sounds celebratory.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
8.1.2  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  livefreeordie @8.1    3 weeks ago
by black gangs

Are you claiming that's because they are black? And what does inner city drug/gang violence have to do with right wing white supremacists gunning people down? How are they in any way equivalent? One is caused by poverty and battles over territory and income, and while horrible, has nothing to do with killing others simply because you hate their race or faith as right wing extremists do.

 
 
 
livefreeordie
8.1.3  livefreeordie  replied to  r.t..b... @8.1.1    3 weeks ago

No. I never celebrate any death. Just pointing out the facts

 
 
 
JBB
8.1.4  JBB  replied to  livefreeordie @8.1.3    3 weeks ago

WRONGO! Members of far rightwing white supremacist hate groups number into the hundreds of thousands. Hell, probably into the tens of millions considering that Donaldo Trump got sixty million lousy votes. So, according to the FBI and Justice Departments what I said is absolutely completely 100%... TRUE! 

So, your lameness contention comes up BUPKISS!

White supremacists are our biggest threat.

https://www.justice.gov/news?keys=white+supremacist&items_per_page=25

 
 
 
MUVA
8.1.5  MUVA  replied to  JBB @8.1.4    3 weeks ago

No 

 
 
 
JBB
8.1.6  JBB  replied to  MUVA @8.1.5    3 weeks ago

Butt, Trump's and Barr's Justice Department says, "Yes"...

 
 
 
SteevieGee
8.1.7  SteevieGee  replied to  livefreeordie @8.1    3 weeks ago
There are more violent Somali jihadists in Minnesota than there are white supremacists in the entire country

If that's the case then you are going to lose your war.

 
 
 
Ronin2
8.1.8  Ronin2  replied to  JBB @8.1.4    3 weeks ago

As compared to millions of gang members. Which is proven- not conjecture based on leftist hard feelings.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gangs_in_the_United_States

https://www.nationalgangcenter.gov/survey-analysis/demographics

https://www.justice.gov/jm/criminal-resource-manual-103-gang-statistics

Gang violence has risen sharply, especially in large cities. Id. Youth gangs are becoming more violent and increasingly serve as a way for members to engage in illegal money-making activities, such as drug and firearms trafficking. Id. In 1994, gang members were suspects or victims in about forty percent of all homicides in Los Angeles County. C. Maxson, Street Gangs and Drug Sales in Two Suburban Cities , National Institute of Justice (September, 1995).

A recent survey of America's largest city police departments showed that ninety-five percent reported significant criminal activity by youth gangs or gang-like groups of young people. G. David Curry, et al., Gang Crime and Law Enforcement Recordkeeping , National Institute of Justice (August 1994). A recent survey of law enforcement officials in forty-five cities suggests the presence of almost 1,500 youth gangs with more than 120,000 members. Irving A. Spergel, et al., Youth Gangs: Problem and Response - Stage 1 Assessment (May 1990) (Data collection reports conducted by the University of Chicago's National Youth Gang Suppression and Intervention Program in cooperation with the Office of Juvenile Justice and Delinquency Prevention, United States Department of Justice). Gang youth committed over eleven percent of all crimes. Id. The rate of violent offenses for gang members was three times higher than non-gang delinquents. Id. The average age of the arrested gang offender is seventeen or eighteen years. Id. The age range of gang members appears to have expanded in recent decades with members remaining in gangs longer and becoming increasingly involved in serious gang-oriented pursuits. Id. The gang problem was not viewed as exclusively juvenile since adults were involved in almost one-half of the youth gang-related incidents. Id.

Most participants in gang crimes tend to be young, male, and either black or Hispanic. C. Maxson, Ph.D., supra . Gang cocaine sales involve more young, black males in transactions that more often include crack rather than powder form. Id. The increased likelihood of black and young gang offenders has also characterized the sales of other drugs by gang members. Id. Hispanics have been more involved in sales of drugs other than cocaine. Id.

"Gangs" consist of different types of members including core and leaders, associates or regulars, peripheral or fringe, and "wannabees" or recruits. The core can be regarded as the inner clique which determines the basic nature and level of gang activity. They are generally more involved in delinquent or criminal activities than fringe members. Id. Gang attributes include violent behavior, group organization, leadership, territory, recurrent interaction and use of symbolism. Gang membership appears to prolong the extent and seriousness of criminal careers. Id. Many experts suggest a close relationship between youth gang members and organized adult crime. Id. The disturbing increase of young people committing federal crimes of violence, especially gang-related crimes, necessarily means juveniles must be considered for prosecution.

https://www.justice.gov/archive/ndic/pubs27/27612/growth.htm

https://www.fbi.gov/investigate/violent-crime/gangs

https://www.thetrumpet.com/14340-land-of-the-free-home-of-the-33000-violent-street-gangs

The   fbi   says that altogether, the United States is now home to about 33,000 violent street gangs, with a presence in all 50 states. There are an estimated 1,350 gangs in Los Angeles alone. And there are at least two gangs in Springfield, Tennessee, where the total population is less than 17,000.

There are a total of 1.4 million criminally active gang members across the country. That means for every two sworn law enforcement officers in America, there are three gang members.

The number of violent gang members today is 40 percent higher than in 2009, and   25 times   higher than in 1975. And the figure keeps growing each year.

“We don’t see a drop in the key gang magnitude indicators,” said James Howell of the National Gang Center last March. “In the past five years, we’ve seen an 8 percent increase in number of gangs, an 11 percent increase in members and a 23 percent increase in gang-related homicides.”

Of the 15,500 murders that happen in America each year, an average of 2,000 are gang-related. Though gang members make up less than half a percent of the population, they commit 16 percent of the total homicides and a quarter of homicides in cities of 100,000 or more people. Most victims are themselves gang members, but many, like Gabrielle, are bystanders caught in the crossfire.

Murders, however, are only part of the story. These groups use violence and coercion of all kinds to rule over neighborhoods and to carry out illegal economic operations, such as drug and weapons trafficking, alien smuggling, prostitution, identity theft, robbery, fraud and human trafficking. In many communities, gangs are responsible for a staggering 80 percent of total crime.

Want to still argue who is considered a bigger threat? Better concentrate on those white supremacists really damn hard to ignore all the gang violence going on around you.

 
 
 
dennis smith
8.1.9  dennis smith  replied to  livefreeordie @8.1    3 weeks ago

As usual the dems ignore the truth backed up by facts.

 
 
 
dennis smith
8.1.10  dennis smith  replied to  JBB @8.1.4    3 weeks ago

Trump was duly elected by the voters and you still call them lousy votes. You seem to be a very bitter hate filled person ignore  the reality of how America's voting system works.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
8.1.11  igknorantzrulz  replied to  dennis smith @8.1.10    3 weeks ago

Trump was duly elected by the voters and you still call them lousy votes. You seem to be a very bitter hate filled person ignore  the reality of how America's voting system works.

Trumpp was elected by the skin of his teeth that peels from the wind and son burns. as he and they fleece US All, and as the fleas breed, we are left in more need, as a potUS puts himself and his religion, A Greed or not best for our country built by 'Men' with an idea to create a perfect Union, not Strike it Down,

and down so few have enabled an enabler of DISS, as he disables what so many fought and dies for to create, 

asz he creates, disaster after disaster due to people too ignorant to be informed, as he DE forms and mutates 

all that Putin DICKTATES      from easing sanctions to vacating our NAtional Middle East Interests, 

that now our Enemies control, like they do our POS potUS.

A few thousand, a tiny fractional proportion of this country in 3 states gave this A Whole lot of stupid . free reign to reign and bring down while ununiteing these once United States he knows more than the Generals, the economists, the experts on any and all while 

he knows less than the knows rite nose stripped on his Nostradamus Nostril flared to signal an Abby Normal Brain

stolen valor, and pride,  from so many that gave so much, and while many even DIED, so this FCKN AS WHOLE lot of WRONG

can profit,    and not be EXPOSED by PUTIN in Place to save his face,

while ALL OF AMERICA IS LEFT

DISGRACED

now that disgraced is done

Lets Eat !

 
 
 
MUVA
8.1.12  MUVA  replied to  JBB @8.1.4    3 weeks ago

I'm more likely to be killed by a black man because  I'm black. 

 
 
 
dennis smith
8.1.13  dennis smith  replied to  igknorantzrulz @8.1.11    3 weeks ago

 The rest of your comment has no merit after your 1st sentence. Trump soundly defeated the loser in 2016. The rest of your comment is nothing more than sour grapes, spin and deflection. 

After the dems lose in 2020 you will have another 4 years to complain.

 
 
 
Sunshine
8.2  Sunshine  replied to  JBB @8    3 weeks ago
In the Minneapolis streets outside Trump’s rally there was a rather tense stand-off between police officers and protesters chanting: “Whose streets? Our streets.” There was also briefly a chant of, “Kill a cop, save a life.”

Breaking: outside Minneapolis Trump rally. Protestors lighting Maga hats on fire. Rushing police. Calling them pigs, etc. Escalating scene.

A man leaving tonight's Trump rally in Minnesota was spotted by a group of protesters who yelled: “There’s a Nazi over here!” They then attacked the man, slapping and pushing him until he ran away.

https://www.redstate.com/nick-arama/2019/10/11/protests-outside-trump-rally-turn-violent-trump-supporter-attacked-police-threatened-use-pepper-spray/

Left-wing radicals getting worse.

More people are killed by Hispanic and Black gangs than KKK groups.

 
 
 
r.t..b...
8.2.1  r.t..b...  replied to  Sunshine @8.2    3 weeks ago
More people are killed by Hispanic and Black gangs than KKK groups.

That, too, almost sounds celebratory.

 
 
 
Sunshine
8.2.2  Sunshine  replied to  r.t..b... @8.2.1    3 weeks ago
That, too, almost sounds celebratory.

To you.  

 
 
 
Ender
8.2.3  Ender  replied to  Sunshine @8.2    3 weeks ago
In 2019 , three senior contributors for RedState resigned, after they noticed that articles critical of President Trump, were not promoted via social media. In an article for The Bulwark.com, titled  Why We Are Quitting RedState , Kimberly Ross and Andrea Ruth stated that “it’s hard not to note the irony that Salem Media, a company that targets “audiences interested in Christian and family-themed content and conservative values,” threw its full support behind Donald Trump, a thrice-married lying philanderer who utilized bankruptcy laws and debt to con tenants and contractors out of their money. Salem now promotes anyone who is pro-Trump, even if those people gleefully flout Christian principles.” Link

I watched the so called video. It shows zero proof of what you claim. It starts with a fight. It conveniently does not show what happened leading up to it.

 
 
 
Sunshine
8.2.4  Sunshine  replied to  Ender @8.2.3    3 weeks ago

Well you need to watch it again.  The man was obviously attacked by a gang and when he ran the thugs still kept following him.  

 
 
 
Ender
8.2.5  Ender  replied to  Sunshine @8.2.4    3 weeks ago

I don't need to. It started at a fight. Did not show who or what started it or any words that may have been exchanged before.

 
 
 
Sunshine
8.2.6  Sunshine  replied to  Ender @8.2.5    3 weeks ago

yes I think you do.

so the guy deserved to be held by force and assaulted by a mob.  is that what you are going with?

and then chased after by the mob.  

well it takes all kinds I guess

 
 
 
Ender
8.2.7  Ender  replied to  Sunshine @8.2.6    3 weeks ago

I didn't see any of that. I did not see him being held or a mob throwing punches, as is insinuated.

 
 
 
Sunshine
8.2.8  Sunshine  replied to  Ender @8.2.7    3 weeks ago

Good grief, the man was suckered punched while others held him and cheered the thug on.

I guess you only see what you want to see..it is sad.

 
 
 
Ender
8.2.9  Ender  replied to  Sunshine @8.2.8    3 weeks ago

That is my point. It shows one punch being thrown, then running down the street.

It does not show any confrontation that led up to it and it does not show him being held and attacked by a mob.

 
 
 
Sunshine
8.2.10  Sunshine  replied to  Ender @8.2.9    3 weeks ago

They are pulling on his clothing and holding him then the guy sucker punches him.  So now you admit he was attacked.

Sorry if it isn't enough violence for you to condemn it.  Perhaps next time they should beat him down to the ground. jrSmiley_78_smiley_image.gif

What does it matter what was said or what led up to mob violence?

 
 
 
Ender
8.2.11  Ender  replied to  Sunshine @8.2.10    3 weeks ago

I never denied an attack. I am saying the description of the attack is a fabrication.

Perhaps next time they should beat him down to the ground

Ask the proud boys. Several of them will have plenty of time on their hands.

 
 
 
Sunshine
8.2.12  Sunshine  replied to  Ender @8.2.11    3 weeks ago
I am saying the description of the attack is a fabrication.

No it isn't.  It is spot on. 

What do the Proud Boys have to do with this attack?

 
 
 
Ender
8.2.13  Ender  replied to  Sunshine @8.2.12    3 weeks ago

You have your view and I have mine. Funny how redstate can glean so much out of an 11 second vid.

What does the proud boys have to do with it? You are the one that stated left wing violence is getting worse, when I see members of a racist organization actually going to jail for violence and attacking people.

 
 
 
Sunshine
8.2.14  Sunshine  replied to  Ender @8.2.13    3 weeks ago

The video speaks for itself.  Like I said you see what you want to see.

 
 
 
Ronin2
8.2.15  Ronin2  replied to  r.t..b... @8.2.1    3 weeks ago

So when a leftist points out a fact that is simply the truth, with absolutely no political slant. When someone on the right points out a fact it is considered celebratory, and derogatory? 

Please.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
8.3  Nerm_L  replied to  JBB @8    3 weeks ago
According to the FBI by far the greatest current threat posed to the peace and security of The United States of America today is the one posed by dangerous violent white supremacists like the KKK, Aryan Nations, Skin Heads, Proud Boys, Republicans and other such organized race based radical rightwing hate groups!

Yes, those are the supposed threats of violence touted by the FBI (and other intelligence agencies).  Of course, there isn't any coordination between those factions; there isn't really a rightwing terrorist organization emerging.  MS-13 is a larger and more organized violent threat than are supremacist groups but MS-13 isn't organized around any sort of ideology.  Organized crime is still a larger violent threat than is ideologically motivated domestic factions.

And the United States is still expending a lot of resources to defend against ISIS, al Qaeda, and other foreign terrorist organizations.  So, foreign threats of infiltration and violence still loom very large in domestic policy.  

The left focusing attention on small, domestic, uncoordinated ideological factions only serves the purpose of stoking public fear based on the left's favorite dog whistles.  The white supremacists ideology is naturally a threat to minority groups but not a national threat.  White supremacists may attempt to bomb a synagogue or black church but white supremacists won't attempt to attack New York City or national infrastructure as foreign terrorists are attempting.  White supremacists are not attempting to obtain nuclear, chemical, or biological weapons as are foreign terrorists.

White supremacists are not threatening to overthrow the government of the United States as are leftwing socialists and radicals.  The leftwing radical movement to partition the United States and create the Republic of New Africa is actually a greater ideological threat than are white supremacists.

 
 
 
Tessylo
8.3.1  Tessylo  replied to  Nerm_L @8.3    3 weeks ago

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r.t..b...
8.3.2  r.t..b...  replied to  Nerm_L @8.3    3 weeks ago
The white supremacists ideology is naturally a threat to minority groups but not a national threat.

Whew!!

 
 
 
Tessylo
8.3.3  Tessylo  replied to  r.t..b... @8.3.2    3 weeks ago

Gee I guess all the white folk can rest easy then.

 
 
 
r.t..b...
8.3.4  r.t..b...  replied to  Nerm_L @8.3    3 weeks ago
The leftwing radical movement to partition the United States and create the Republic of New Africa

Goodness gracious. First the new state of Jefferson and now this...it must be Friday. Enjoy your weekend, all...keep those theories coming...and Peace.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
8.3.5  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Nerm_L @8.3    3 weeks ago
The leftwing radical movement to partition the United States and create the Republic of New Africa is actually a greater ideological threat than are white supremacists.

[Deleted] You learn something every day. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
8.3.6  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  JohnRussell @8.3.5    3 weeks ago

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Nerm_L
8.3.7  Nerm_L  replied to  r.t..b... @8.3.4    3 weeks ago
Goodness gracious. First the new state of Jefferson and now this...it must be Friday. Enjoy your weekend, all...keep those theories coming...and Peace.

The state of Jefferson would still be a state within the United States.  The Republic of New Africa would be a country separated from the United States.  A more apt analogy would be the calls to reestablish the Republic of Texas; although the Republic of Texas does have a historical precedent while the Republic of New Africa does not.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
8.3.8  Nerm_L  replied to  JohnRussell @8.3.6    3 weeks ago
Sandy, if people make racist comments and it is not allowed to point them out, how will such comments be actively identified? 

The leftwing radical movement to partition the United States and establish the Republic of New Africa really does have multi-racial and multi-ethnic support domestically and internationally.  Your attempt at whistling dogs is not well founded.  

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Heartland American
8.3.9  Heartland American  replied to  Nerm_L @8.3.7    3 weeks ago

Exactly! The State of Jefferson would be America’s 51st state and a great one.  

 
 
 
lady in black
8.3.10  lady in black  replied to  Heartland American @8.3.9    3 weeks ago

Never going to happen, don't like living in California then move

 
 
 
r.t..b...
8.3.11  r.t..b...  replied to  Heartland American @8.3.9    3 weeks ago
The State of Jefferson would be America’s 51st state and a great one.

I hope all your dreams come true. Living in my own delusional state; where everyone has an opinion and can state them freely even if we disagree, where everyone respects one another without preconceived judgement, where we embrace our commonality and accept our differences, where there is no religious, political, or racial animus, and where we all do the hard work of caring for ourselves, our families and our communities. And again, it is a delusional state, but I can hope.

 
 
 
MrFrost
8.3.12  MrFrost  replied to  Heartland American @8.3.9    3 weeks ago
The State of Jefferson

......will never exist. 

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
8.3.13  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  r.t..b... @8.3.4    3 weeks ago

the new state of Jefferson

It is not a new state.  It is a wanna be new state.  A cat can have kittens in the oven but it does not make them biscuits.

 
 
 
Sunshine
9  Sunshine    3 weeks ago
 Donald Trump’s concentration camps 

And who complains about gaslighting?

 
 
 
Jack_TX
9.1  Jack_TX  replied to  Sunshine @9    3 weeks ago
Only a Trump worshipper could decide that an article which talks about how Trump incites violence, and what a shitty president he is, is actually encouraging violence against their orange god.

I was amazed at the level of batshit leftist lunacy in the article. 

Until I started reading the comments.  Holy crap.  

 
 
 
†hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh
10  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh    3 weeks ago

Hello my name is The People's Fish and I'm a moobatTearaholic.

 I'm here to pick up my one minute chip

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
11  The Magic Eight Ball    3 weeks ago
As The President Becomes Cornered: 

trump is kicking deep state butt and they are cornered.

only a moron thinks trump is cornered.

( thanks for the laugh :)

 
 
 
MrFrost
11.1  MrFrost  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @11    3 weeks ago
trump is kicking deep state butt and they are cornered.

Not tough to do given that the deep state doesn't even exist. 

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
11.1.1  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  MrFrost @11.1    3 weeks ago
that the deep state doesn't even exist.

then they won't mind being the subjects of criminal investigations.

win win yes?

LOL

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
11.1.2  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  MrFrost @11.1    3 weeks ago

Even if Trump grew a third leg, he couldn't even kick his own ass.

 
 
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