‘It’s like nothing we have come across before’: UK intelligence officials shaken by Trump administration’s requests for help with counter-impeachment inquiry

  
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‘It’s like nothing we have come across before’: UK intelligence officials shaken by Trump administration’s requests for help with counter-impeachment inquiry

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‘It’s like nothing we have come across before’: UK intelligence officials shaken by Trump administration’s requests for help with counter-impeachment inquiry



102b4830-25c0-11e7-a66a-23957430fe89_lat   Kim Sengupta, The Independent   55 minutes ago  






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As the   impeachment   hearings get more and more alarming for   Donald Trump , with damning new evidence emerging every day, there appears to be increasing urgency in the parallel counter-offensives under way by the president’s team in an attempt to defend him.

There are attacks against the witnesses giving testimony by Trump and his supporters, including attempts to smear Lieutenant Colonel   Alexander Vindman ,   Ukraine   expert at the National Security Council who this week provided crucial testimony about Trump’s telephone call to Ukrainian President   Volodymyr Zelensky . And there have been the extraordinary scenes of Congress Republicans breaking into the proceedings and disrupting them.

At the same time, overshadowed by the publicity around the impeachment, is the ever-broadening investigation by Attorney General   William Barr   which the White House sees as a game-changer. An investigation which is seeking nothing less than to overturn the conclusion of the US intelligence services and Special Counsel Robert Mueller that   Russia   interfered in the last US presidential election.

This has now been designated a criminal investigation with power of subpoena and the possibility of prison sentences for those who have been allegedly involved in criminal actions, although exactly what these criminal actions entail remains unclear.

It may also seem odd that Trump, having repeatedly claimed that the Mueller report was a “complete and total exoneration” of him over Russiagate, is now going to such lengths to try and discredit it.

Ukraine is a common factor in both the impeachment hearings and the Barr investigation. The House is looking at claims that Trump withheld military aid to Kiev to force the Zelensky government to reopen investigations into unproven allegations, with Trump’s personal lawyer   Rudy Giuliani   playing a leading part in this campaign.


The Attorney General is focusing on the theory, aired on far-right conspiracy sites, and raised by Trump and Giuliani, that Ukraine framed   Vladimir Putin   over the US election in a complex triple-cross operation by impersonating Russian hackers.

Trump and Barr have also been asking other foreign governments for help in investigating the   FBI ,   CIA   and Mueller investigators. The US president has called on the Australian prime minister   Scott Morrison   for assistance, while the Attorney General has been on similar missions to the UK and Italy.

And the information being requested has left allies astonished. One British official with knowledge of Barr’s wish-list presented to London commented that “it is like nothing we have come across before, they are basically asking, in quite robust terms, for help in doing a hatchet job on their own intelligence services.”

The UK, in particular, has been viewed by Trump followers, especially far-right conspiracy theorists, as a deep source of woes for the president.

The claims that Trump was the Muscovian candidate for the White House effectively began to take shape after a meeting in May 2016 between   Alexander Downer , the then Australian High Commissioner in London, and   George Papadopoulos , a foreign policy advisor for the Trump campaign, at a bar, the Kensington Wine Rooms in west London.

Downer passed on what he had heard to Australian officials, who shared it with the ASIO (Australian Security Intelligence Organisation), who in turn got in touch with the FBI. They then officially launched their investigation the following month.

Downer continues to live in London. He is the chair of trustees of the think-tank, Policy Exchange, and executive chairman of the International School of Government at King’s College, London, as well as holding positions in various businesses.

Then there is the dossier produced by   Christopher Steele , a former MI6 officer, on allegations that the Kremlin had compromising material, kompromat, on Trump. The report was passed on to FBI Director   James Comey , who was subsequently fired by Trump, in December 2017 by Senator   John McCain .

The Italian connection relates to Joseph Mifsud, a Maltese academic who had provided information to Papadopoulos about claims of Russian involvement.

Mifsud, who was affiliated to Link University in Rome, which has connections internationally with the security sector, has not been seen in public since November 2017. The Mueller report presented the academic as a possible Russian asset, but Trump supporters hold that he may have been working for Western intelligence services. The fact Steele’s first meeting with the FBI took place in Rome has reinforced the tale of dark machinations.

Two weeks ago Giuseppe Conte, the Italian prime minister, revealed that Barr had visited his country twice in the previous two months, alongside John Durham, the Connecticut attorney he had appointed to lead his investigation, and had pressed for information about the activities of the US intelligence services.

But it is Christopher Steele who is the particular bête-noire of Trump followers and they blame his report for starting the FBI investigation into Russian interference.

The House Intelligence Committee, then under Republican control, decided however that it was the Papadopoulous information which was the trigger. The same conclusion was separately drawn by the staff of the then Republican chair of the Committee,   Devin Nunes .

Trump loyalist Nunes, who his hometown newspaper in California has called “Trump’s stooge” had to step down at one stage over allegations that he was colluding with the White House during the House investigation. He had, in the past, tried to carry out his own ‘Barr-Lite’ version of investigating the investigators.

In August 2016, two staffers from the Nunes-run House Intelligence Committee suddenly turned up from the US at the London office of Steele’s company, Orbis. Not finding him there, they went to the office of his lawyer and demanded to see him.

The timing of the visit was of importance. Mueller and the Senate Intelligence Committee, carrying out separate Russia investigations, were making progress in their attempts to speak to the former MI6 officer. The two men had come with the aim, it was suspected, of intimidating Steele. Nothing discernible appears to have resulted from their trip.

Julian Assange   is another UK connection in the narrative. A year before Trump won the election Assange, holed up in the Ecuadorian embassy in London, had told his colleagues in WikiLeaks, the organisation he founded, in a Twitter group chat that Hillary Clinton was a “bright, well connected, sadistic sociopath” and it would be better if the Republicans could seize power. WikiLeaks subsequently disseminated emails stolen, as multiple investigations have established, from Democratic Party computers by Russian hackers. Assange is in prison in the UK facing extradition to the US for alleged espionage offences.

A number of Trump associates have been under investigation by Mueller for their links to Assange. These include Roger Stone, a long-term and close advisor to the US president who was arrested last January. He goes on trial next week on charges of lying to Congress, obstruction and witness tampering.

There have also been claims that Trump supporters not known to have been investigated by the Special Counsel had held clandestine meetings with Assange.

Glenn Simpson, whose Washington-based investigations firm hired Steele to compile the Trump report, told a US Congressional inquiry in January that   Nigel Farage   was a more frequent visitor to Assange than was known and that he had passed data on to Assange on “a thumb drive”.

Farage had long boasted of his closeness to Trump. On Thursday, speaking to Farage on his LBC show, the US president advised Boris Johnson to form an alliance with the Brexit Party leader to fight the coming UK general election.

The former Ukip leader visited Assange at the embassy in 2017 after returning from a trip to the US. The news of the visit broke after a member of the public saw him go into the building.

Farage had denied claims of any collusion, but refused to tell a number of news organisations what he had discussed with Assange. He said to me when I asked him about the matter: “I met Julian Assange just once. I went there in a journalistic capacity because like you I wanted to find out about the emails, no real answer was forthcoming. It is nonsense to say that I had met him secretly. Do you think one of the best known faces in the country can go into the embassy without people noticing?”

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The Trump followers’ counter-narrative is that US intelligence and security services had deliberately, and wrongly, concluded that the Russians were behind the hacking. The real culprit, instead, they allege, was a private company,   Crowdstrike , which is run with an anti-Russian agenda.

Crowdstrike was a security firm hired by the Democratic Party to investigate the data breach and was the first of many, including western intelligence agencies, to find that Russia’s military intelligence agency, the GRU, had carried it out.

According to the conspiracy theories, Crowdstrike has a Ukrainian base, and its founder Dmitri Alperovitch is a Ukrainian who set up Putin in revenge for invading his homeland. But Alperovitch, in real life, is of Russian extraction and is a US citizen whose family came to America in the Soviet era. Crowdstrike is based not in Kiev, but California.

Every aspect of the Crowdstrike conspiracy tale has been disproved. But this has not stopped Trump from demanding that Zelensky looks into it, albeit in a somewhat incoherent manner, in the now infamous 25 July call to the Ukrainian president.

“I would like you to find out what happened with this whole situation with Ukraine, they say Crowdstrike. I guess you have one of your wealthy people. The server, they say Ukraine has it,” said the US president, according to notes of the conversation, released by the White House. In another part of the call Trump tells Zelensky “they say” Mueller “started with Ukraine”.

There is no evidence that the Special Counsel’s inquiry started with Ukraine. And we are yet to see where the Barr’s one will end. But the global reach the Attorney General has given the Trump counter-offensive ensures the repercussions, the accusations and recriminations, will be far and wide










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Tessylo
1  seeder  Tessylo    2 weeks ago

As the impeachment hearings get more and more alarming for Donald Trump, with damning new evidence emerging every day, there appears to be increasing urgency in the parallel counter-offensives under way by the president’s team in an attempt to defend him.

There are attacks against the witnesses giving testimony by Trump and his supporters, including attempts to smear Lieutenant Colonel Alexander Vindman, Ukraine expert at the National Security Council who this week provided crucial testimony about Trump’s telephone call to Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky. And there have been the extraordinary scenes of Congress Republicans breaking into the proceedings and disrupting them.

At the same time, overshadowed by the publicity around the impeachment, is the ever-broadening investigation by Attorney General William Barr which the White House sees as a game-changer. An investigation which is seeking nothing less than to overturn the conclusion of the US intelligence services and Special Counsel Robert Mueller that Russia interfered in the last US presidential election.

This has now been designated a criminal investigation with power of subpoena and the possibility of prison sentences for those who have been allegedly involved in criminal actions, although exactly what these criminal actions entail remains unclear.

It may also seem odd that Trump, having repeatedly claimed that the Mueller report was a “complete and total exoneration” of him over Russiagate, is now going to such lengths to try and discredit it.

Ukraine is a common factor in both the impeachment hearings and the Barr investigation. The House is looking at claims that Trump withheld military aid to Kiev to force the Zelensky government to reopen investigations into unproven allegations, with Trump’s personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani playing a leading part in this campaign.

The Attorney General is focusing on the theory, aired on far-right conspiracy sites, and raised by Trump and Giuliani, that Ukraine framed Vladimir Putin over the US election in a complex triple-cross operation by impersonating Russian hackers.

Trump and Barr have also been asking other foreign governments for help in investigating the FBICIA and Mueller investigators. The US president has called on the Australian prime minister Scott Morrison for assistance, while the Attorney General has been on similar missions to the UK and Italy.

And the information being requested has left allies astonished. One British official with knowledge of Barr’s wish-list presented to London commented that “it is like nothing we have come across before, they are basically asking, in quite robust terms, for help in doing a hatchet job on their own intelligence services.”

The UK, in particular, has been viewed by Trump followers, especially far-right conspiracy theorists, as a deep source of woes for the president.

 
 
 
Dulay
1.1  Dulay  replied to  Tessylo @1    2 weeks ago

So when will the House Intelligence, Foreign Affairs, Oversight and or Judiciary committee send staff over to Ukraine requesting interviews with Zelensky's aid Yermak and Zelensky's chief of staff Andrei Bohdan and the Foreign Minister Vadym Prystaiko. They've got plenty of information about what was going on in calls and meetings and what it was like to have their balls in a vice. 

 
 
 
Karri
2  Karri    2 weeks ago

So, let's see.  In 2016, he had help from Russia (about which he may or may not have known) and it leads to years of investigation.  Then he reaches out to Ukraine and holds up military aid to them until he agrees to hold investigations to prove Russia did nothing wrong and (worse yet) to get negative information on the person he feels is his main rival in 2020.  Again, he gets caught and is facing impeachment. So, how does he handle it?  He goes to even MORE countries to get info he can use!

Is this man even capable of learning from his mistakes?

 
 
 
r.t..b...
2.1  r.t..b...  replied to  Karri @2    2 weeks ago
to get negative information on the person he feels is his main rival in 2020. 

The bottom line and the more than justifiable reason for the investigation. It is abuse of power on its face, obstruction of justice in covering up the infractions coming to light, and witness intimidation as a last ditch effort to diffuse the already impeachable offenses.

 
 
 
Ender
2.2  Ender  replied to  Karri @2    2 weeks ago

Why should he learn when no matter what he does he is given a green light by the republicans in congress.

 
 
 
r.t..b...
2.2.1  r.t..b...  replied to  Ender @2.2    2 weeks ago
Why should he learn when no matter what he does he is given a green light by the republicans in congress.

Never forget Barr and his influence going forward. When an Attorney General travels overseas it may seem outside the constructs of the demands of his office, but when done so in an effort get ahead of the investigation into the Ukraine/Giuliani cabal, it should raise grave concerns as to his ability to separate himself from the administration...a critical part of the job and one which will eventually come under scrutiny.

 
 
 
Raven Wing
2.3  Raven Wing  replied to  Karri @2    2 weeks ago

I find it hilarious that after denigrating and slapping our bet allies in the face while kissing the a$$ of our greatest enemy, Trump is now trying to get our allies to help help him fight against the impeachment. 

I don't know how more stupid the man can be, but, I am sure Trump will happily show me.

 
 
 
Dulay
2.3.1  Dulay  replied to  Raven Wing @2.3    2 weeks ago
I don't know how more stupid the man can be, but, I am sure Trump will happily show me.

I have a feeling that Trump will prove to you beyond a reasonable doubt that he can be MUCH more stupid then he already has been. 

 
 
 
Raven Wing
2.3.2  Raven Wing  replied to  Dulay @2.3.1    2 weeks ago

He is the biggest shame to our country yet, and yet the Repubs wallow in his excrement and then wipe his a$$ for him, as they swear that he can do not wrong.

They will find out soon just what fools he has made of them as well.

 
 
 
Dulay
2.3.3  Dulay  replied to  Raven Wing @2.3.2    2 weeks ago
They will find out soon just what fools he has made of them as well.

But will they admit it, even to themselves? 

They're so invested in the lie, can they afford to recognize the truth?

I fear that their cognitive dissonance will overwhelm many of them and to save their sanity, they will continue to deny the facts, no matter how cogently presented, to protect their fragile worldview. 

 
 
 
Raven Wing
2.3.4  Raven Wing  replied to  Dulay @2.3.3    2 weeks ago

That might apply to the more hard core, rabid supporters. But, not all of the Republicans are that diehard or stupid. If they want to save their own skins, and perhaps their own political future, they will recognize that they are being used and are nothing more than scapegoats to Trump and will walk away. 

I think more will walk away than will stick to Trump's a$$ when the s*it hits the fan.

 
 
 
Dulay
2.3.5  Dulay  replied to  Raven Wing @2.3.4    2 weeks ago

I wasn't talking so much about the political class, they go the way of the wind and the polls. It's the willfully uninformed fellow travelers, many of them right here, who refuse to acknowledge the facts right in front of their faces. 

I read an article yesterday that said that the Senate is changing tactics and intend to admit the quid pro quo and then argue that it doesn't rise to an Impeachable offense. That after almost 4 weeks where you couldn't keep them away from a microphone claiming that there was NO quid pro quo. 

 
 
 
Raven Wing
2.3.6  Raven Wing  replied to  Dulay @2.3.5    2 weeks ago
That after almost 4 weeks where you couldn't keep them away from a microphone claiming that there was NO quid pro quo.

That is the way the Repubs work. Deny, Deny, Deny....then when the truth is so blatantly beyond any reasonable denial, they find a way to make it not count anyway, then admit is happened. 

However, no matter how hard they try to break the law and call it good, they will all be remembered, each and everyone of them, for their support of Trump's being a traitor to our country and our people. 

History, nor the Creator, will treat them kindly. The stain of their betraying America and its people can never be washed away.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
2.4  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Karri @2    2 weeks ago

"Those who don't remember the past are condemned to repeat it."

George Santayana, 1863-1953, American philosopher
 
 
 
MrFrost
2.5  MrFrost  replied to  Karri @2    2 weeks ago

Is this man even capable of learning from his mistakes?

In his mind he has never made a mistake. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
3  JohnRussell    2 weeks ago

800

 
 
 
Ender
4  Ender    2 weeks ago

Now we know the real deep state, trump and his minions trying to subvert our own agencies.

 
 
 
r.t..b...
4.1  r.t..b...  replied to  Ender @4    2 weeks ago
Now we know the real deep state, trump and his minions trying to subvert our own agencies.

Deep in the intent...oh, so shallow in the reality. This simply cannot be abridged with partisan bumper sticker sloganeering. 

 
 
 
WallyW
4.2  WallyW  replied to  Ender @4    2 weeks ago

No, Obama and hiis minions did that, as the investigation by Barr and Durham will eventually show.

 
 
 
SteevieGee
4.2.1  SteevieGee  replied to  WallyW @4.2    2 weeks ago

I know you are but what am I?

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
5  Ed-NavDoc    2 weeks ago

Innuendo and hearsay evidence does not go very far except to the progressive liberal left.

 
 
 
Dulay
5.1  Dulay  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @5    2 weeks ago
Innuendo and hearsay evidence does not go very far except to the progressive liberal left.

Well , it seems to work with the right too since Trump, Barr, Durham and Giulliani are using it to smear Biden.  

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
5.1.1  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Dulay @5.1    2 weeks ago

That is the nature of the beast that is DC politics these days.

 
 
 
SteevieGee
5.1.2  SteevieGee  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @5.1.1    2 weeks ago

Not if you're smart enough to see through it.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
5.1.3  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  SteevieGee @5.1.2    2 weeks ago

Sadly, there are far too many on both sides of the equation that lack that ability.

 
 
 
Dulay
5.1.4  Dulay  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @5.1.3    2 weeks ago

Even sadder is that those that know better are accessories to the intentional  gaslighting of others. 

 
 
 
Karri
5.1.5  Karri  replied to  Dulay @5.1    2 weeks ago
Innnuendo and hearsay evidence

Does that include the summary of the conversation with Yelesky (sp?) -- the one that Trump released?  That clearly showed quid pro quo to help his reelection effort.  (And it was backed up by Trump's actions.)

 
 
 
Dulay
5.1.6  Dulay  replied to  Karri @5.1.5    2 weeks ago

Yep. Maybe when Trump reads the summary during his fireside chat, he'll fill in the … and we can really see how batshit crazy his conspiracy theory is. 

 
 
 
bbl-1
6  bbl-1    2 weeks ago

Simple enough for the UK to comply.  Just send the MI6 info which has been gathered on Manafort and the assortment of Americans that were on the receiving end of the Russian money spigot which was the funds stolen from the Russian people. 

Corruption is the issue, right?  There it is.

 
 
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