Lindsey Graham Breaks Ranks With Trump, Declares Ukraine Conspiracy Theory False

  
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By:   Josephine Harvey, HuffPost

Lindsey Graham Breaks Ranks With Trump, Declares Ukraine Conspiracy Theory False

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Lindsey Graham Breaks Ranks With Trump, Declares Ukraine Conspiracy Theory False



710c91c0-4b9c-11e7-8912-374be9390b1b_H-1   Josephine Harvey, HuffPost   10 hours ago  

























Lindsey Graham Continues To Bow To Trump






Sen.  Lindsey Graham  (R-S.C.) has broken ranks with President  Donald Trump   and many of his GOP allies, declaring Tuesday that he is “1,000% confident” that Russia, not Ukraine, interfered in the 2016 U.S. election.

His view contradicts a conspiracy theory  backed by  Russian President  Vladimir Putin  and peddled by Trump and others in his party that Ukraine meddled in the presidential election and framed the Russians.

“It was the Russians. I’m 1,000% confident that the hack of the [Democratic National Committee] was by Russian operatives, no one else,” Graham told reporters on Capitol Hill. 

In a subsequent interview with CNN, Graham said he had “no doubt” that it was the Russians who hacked the emails of the DNC and Hillary Clinton campaign chair John Podesta.

“It wasn’t Ukraine. Russia was behind the stolen DNC emails and Podesta and all that good stuff,” the senator said.

“So as to the Ukraine, they had zero to do with the hacking of the DNC and the stealing of the emails. Whether or not people from the Ukraine met with DNC operatives, I don’t know. All I’ve seen is press reports that no one has validated.”

The senator joins Sen.  Mitt Romney  (R-Utah), who also  told reporters  on Tuesday that he’d seen no evidence of Ukrainian meddling, in distancing himself from the theory floated by some of their Republican colleagues.

The break comes amid the House impeachment inquiry, which was triggered by the president’s dealings with Ukraine. At the center of the probe is a July 25 phone call to Ukraine in which Trump referenced the hacking theory to Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, urging him to look into CrowdStrike, a California-based cybersecurity firm that had investigated the breach of the DNC email system. 


The president  called into  “Fox & Friends” recently to again push the theory, claiming that CrowdStrike is owned by a “wealthy Ukrainian.” The company is U.S.-owned.

Politico  and  CNN  reported Monday that a GOP-led Senate Intelligence Committee found no evidence when investigating allegations of interference by Ukraine, according to sources with direct knowledge of the inquiry. 

Graham’s comments contrast with those of Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman Richard Burr (R-N.C.), who  declined to directly refute  the theory and refused to say whether he saw evidence that Ukraine interfered, despite his own committee’s conclusion that Russia had interfered in the 2016 election and was “overtly and almost invariably supportive of then-candidate Trump.”

Graham is usually a devoted Trump defender. He has  blocked a Senate resolution  to formally recognize the Armenian genocide at the behest of the White House,  opened  a formal investigation into former Vice President Joe Biden’s work in Ukraine despite the claims of corruption being widely discredited and unsubstantiated, and repeatedly denied unfavorable but damning testimony against Trump during the impeachment inquiry. 



















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Tessylo
1  seeder  Tessylo    2 months ago

Another rat appears to be abandoning the sinking ship of the corrupt criminal enterprise of the tRump administration.  

 
 
 
WallyW
1.1  WallyW  replied to  Tessylo @1    2 months ago

Russia did not 'interfere" in the election.

 
 
 
SteevieGee
1.1.1  SteevieGee  replied to  WallyW @1.1    2 months ago

Lindsey Graham disagrees with you Wally.  Says he's 1000% sure they did.  1000%?  Come on Lindsey where you think you are the Maury show?

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
1.1.12  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  SteevieGee @1.1.1    2 months ago

Note to all

I have removed this thread since it was nothing but off topic comments and insults. Get back on topic and stop with the insults. Only warning!

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.1.13  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @1.1.12    2 months ago

Thanks Perrie!  I knew I could count on you!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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devangelical
1.1.14  devangelical  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @1.1.12    2 months ago

damn it! I miss all the funny shit that happens on T-lo's seeds.

 
 
 
Krishna
1.1.15  Krishna  replied to  WallyW @1.1    2 months ago
Russia did not 'interfere" in the election.

And what, exactly, is your reason for believing that?

or did you just make that up out of thin air?

 
 
 
SteevieGee
1.1.16  SteevieGee  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @1.1.12    2 months ago

Sorry Perrie.  Did I miss something?

 
 
 
lib50
1.1.17  lib50  replied to  Krishna @1.1.15    one month ago

Probably has something to do with the shit coming from Trump that even his toilets can't handle.  We can't let that 'Russia didn't do it' lie to stand.  They are actively taking Putin's lies and magnifying it to save their own asses over the country.

 
 
 
Krishna
1.1.18  Krishna  replied to  WallyW @1.1    one month ago
Russia did not 'interfere" in the election.

Exactly-- it the evil Ukraine who done it!

(It's true-- because Trump said so and he'd never lie!).

Ergo-- everyone's favourite Cracka- - Lindsay Graham -- is a Socialist and a danger to our country!)

 
 
 
lady in black
2  lady in black    2 months ago

The rest of the rats still have TDS Trump DENIAL syndrome

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
3  Vic Eldred    2 months ago

I’m 1,000% confident that the hack of the [Democratic National Committee] was by Russian operatives, no one else,” Graham told reporters on Capitol Hill. 

That is the totally debunked theory, BUT NOT THE ONLY ONE!

What about the infamous "black ledger"??????


Funny how progressives like to conflate everything into the hacking of the DNC.

 
 
 
Steve Ott
3.1  Steve Ott  replied to  Vic Eldred @3    2 months ago
black ledger

And that has what to do with the article?

     hacking of the DNC

Seems rump was rather overjoyed by it.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
3.1.1  Vic Eldred  replied to  Steve Ott @3.1    one month ago
And that has what to do with the article?

Everything. Dosen't the article deal with Ukrainian conspiracy theories?  Or only the ones that have been debunked?

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Tessylo
3.1.2  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.1    one month ago

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Dulay
3.1.3  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.1    one month ago
Everything. Dosen't the article deal with Ukrainian conspiracy theories?  Or only the ones that have been debunked?

So the 'black ledger' is just another of your conspiracy theories. Thanks for admitting as much. 

BTW, how do you know that the 'black ledger' BS isn't included in what Graham is declaring false? 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
3.1.4  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dulay @3.1.3    one month ago
So the 'black ledger' is just another of your conspiracy theories.

Remember when the the Army Air Forces announced that a mysterious object that had crashed in the desert outside Roswell, New Mexico, was not a flying saucer but just a weather balloon?  People who thought it was something else were called conspiracy theorists. Well guess what - the conspiracy theory turned out to be true. It wasn't a weather balloon. Until these things are investigated people get to form their own conclusions.

BTW, how do you know that the 'black ledger' BS isn't included in what Graham is declaring false? 

I can only assume Graham wouldn't include something that has never been looked at. You wouldn't be trying to conflate the "black ledger" with "Crowdstrike"?  You would never do that, would you?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
3.1.5  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.4    one month ago
People who thought it was something else were called conspiracy theorists. Well guess what - the conspiracy theory turned out to be true.

You think that the Air Force is keeping the dead bodies of space aliens at Roswell New Mexico? 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
3.1.6  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.5    one month ago
You think that the Air Force is keeping the dead bodies of space aliens at Roswell New Mexico? 

I don't have any thoughts on dead bodies or aliens. My only point was that the story put out of a weather balloon was false. There was a theory that it was false and the theory turned out to be true. I know you get the point.

 
 
 
Dulay
3.1.7  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.4    one month ago
Until these things are investigated people get to form their own conclusions.

They WERE investigated. How many times does it have to be proven to you that it's bullshit? 

I can only assume Graham wouldn't include something that has never been looked at.

Then you should assume that any collusion by anyone with Clinton campaign is included since the Senate Intel Committed Chairs stated many times that they investigate BOTH campaigns. 

Oct. 2017, Sen. Burr: 

Additionally, the investigation was to look into any collusion by either campaign during the 2016 elections. 

You wouldn't be trying to conflate the "black ledger" with "Crowdstrike"?  

Why would I do that Vic? I haven't even mentioned Crowdstrike. 

You would never do that, would you?

No, so why the innuendo? 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
3.1.8  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dulay @3.1.7    one month ago
They WERE investigated.

No...They are being investigated now by US Attorney John Durham. When he is done, it will finally be over.


Then you should assume that any collusion by anyone with Clinton campaign is included since the Senate Intel Committed Chairs stated many times that they investigate BOTH campaigns. 

Actually, I'm completely satisfied that a US Attorney, with the power to appoint a Grand Jury & Prosecute, is looking at it.


Why would I do that Vic? I haven't even mentioned Crowdstrike. 

Well then, "Crowdstrike" is the only thing that has been debunked. The "Black Ledger" and "Burisma" are still out there. I know - they are distractions from the unending investigation of the President!  We should focus all our time and energy on him, just like the hate filled leftist who are out of power!


No, so why the innuendo? 

You tell me.

 
 
 
Dulay
3.1.9  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.8    one month ago
No...They are being investigated now by US Attorney John Durham. When he is done, it will finally be over.

There is NO evidence that Durham or Barr are investigating anything connected to Ukraine. Here is the statement by the DOJ spokeswoman:

“The president has not spoken with the attorney general about having Ukraine investigate anything relating to former Vice President Biden or his son,” DOJ spokeswoman Kerri Kupec said. “The president has not asked the attorney general to contact Ukraine — on this or any other matter. The attorney general has not communicated with Ukraine — on this or any other subject. Nor has the attorney general discussed this matter, or anything relating to Ukraine, with Rudy Giuliani.” 

Oh and PLEASE don't try to pretend that Durham is an independent actor. Durham's investigation is under Barr's supervision and the above makes it obvious that Barr hasn't been tasked or tasked Durham to include Ukraine in his investigation. 

Actually, I'm completely satisfied that a US Attorney, with the power to appoint a Grand Jury & Prosecute, is looking at it.

Good for you. I on the other hand, prefer to base my comments on facts.

Durham's mission is to find out the origins of the FBI ’s counter-intelligence investigation. There isn't one iota of evidence that either Durham or Bar have been to Ukraine or asked Ukraine for ANY information. In FACT, as stated above, there is evidence to the contrary. 

The "Black Ledger" and "Burisma" are still out there.

Again, false. The 'black ledger' BS was litigated in Ukraine and Serhiy Leshchenko won his case on appeal. That's it. DONE. Unless of course you insist on relitigating BS ad nauseam. 

I know - they are distractions from the unending investigation of the President!  We should focus all our time and energy on him, just like the hate filled leftist who are out of power!

The same with Burisma. It was litigated in Ukraine and the UK. Oh and BTFW, the 'investigation' NEVER included Hunter Biden because the violations they were looking into happened BEFORE Hunter Biden joined the company. But hey, I'm sure you want a do over on that too. BENGHAZI!

You tell me.

Animus. 

 
 
 
Dulay
3.1.10  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.8    one month ago

Here's a quick guide that helps debunk the Biden/Ukraine gaslighting by Trump et al:

False: Biden pushed out a Ukrainian prosecutor investigating his son 

False: Hunter Biden made a killing on a China deal 

False: Biden lied about talking to his son

False: Democratic senators also threatened Ukraine’s aid

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/09/27/quick-guide-trumps-false-claims-about-ukraine-bidens/

 
 
 
lib50
3.1.11  lib50  replied to  Dulay @3.1.9    one month ago

They count of people being too distracted or unable to process complex ideas.  Repeat the bullshit so simple folk get confused and believe lies or half truths.

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
3.1.12  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  Dulay @3.1.10    one month ago
False:  Biden pushed out a Ukrainian prosecutor investigating his son

one problem. quid pro joe is on video bragging that he did exactly what you said did not happen.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2019/09/27/flashback_2018_joe_biden_brags_at_cfr_meeting_about_withholding_aid_to_ukraine_to_force_firing_of_prosecutor.html

if trump said what ol quid pro joe said?   he would deserve impeachment.

cheers :)

 
 
 
lib50
3.1.13  lib50  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @3.1.12    one month ago

Your problem:  It was not done in a personal capacity in any way shape or form.  He was carrying out US and our allies policy to go after corruption in Ukraine, and the person they got out was the corrupt one NOT going after the corruption.  Again, you are posting lies.

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
3.1.14  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  lib50 @3.1.13    one month ago
He was carrying out US and our allies policy to go after corruption in Ukraine,

BS

have a great day :)

 
 
 
Dulay
3.1.15  Dulay  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @3.1.12    one month ago
one problem. quid pro joe is on video bragging that he did exactly what you said did not happen.

That's false and it's been debunked right here multiple times. It really isn't worth my time to explain it to you since I doubt you actually give a fuck about the facts. That's supported by the fact that your own linked article doesn't even support your BS. 

if trump said what ol quid pro joe said?   he would deserve impeachment.

Why pretend that ANYTHING would convince you to impeach Trump? 

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
3.1.16  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  Dulay @3.1.15    one month ago
That's false

the video shows otherwise and this issue is far from over.

cheers :)

 
 
 
Tessylo
3.1.17  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @3.1.16    one month ago

That's just whack, as usual.  

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
3.1.18  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  Tessylo @3.1.17    one month ago

 the old whack attack...  LOL

and as always... time is on my side.

grahm is not the final word.

cheers :)

 
 
 
Tessylo
3.1.19  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @3.1.18    one month ago

You are incorrect as always.

Who said Ms. Lindsey was the final word?

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The Magic Eight Ball
3.1.20  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  Tessylo @3.1.19    one month ago

patience is a virtue the left is lacking

some never trumpers in the gop said trump would never be president also.

time is on my side.

cheers :)

 
 
 
Tessylo
3.1.21  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @3.1.20    one month ago

The 'right' have no virtues.

Your whackjob pronouncements are whack as usual.  

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
3.1.22  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  Tessylo @3.1.21    one month ago

your opinion of us matters not.

have a great day :)

 
 
 
Tessylo
3.1.23  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @3.1.22    one month ago

Your whackjob pronouncements don't mean dick to us either.  

 
 
 
MUVA
3.1.24  MUVA  replied to  Tessylo @3.1.17    one month ago

Just a little info the word whack went out of circulation right after fresh prince went off the air.

 
 
 
Tessylo
3.1.25  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  MUVA @3.1.24    one month ago

Someone didn't get the memo what with their whackjob pronouncements. 

So now I have you following me around again?

P.S. punctuation is your friend.  

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
3.1.26  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  Tessylo @3.1.23    one month ago
Your whackjob pronouncements

here is one of my wackjob pronouncements from over a year ago.

Mr. Steele, a British former spy who compiled a dossier of salacious, unverified information about President Trump. F.B.I. officials relied to some degree on the dossier to seek a court order for a wiretap of a former Trump campaign  

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/09/us/politics/ig-report-steele-dossier.html

still batting 1000

time is my friend

cheers :)

 
 
 
Tessylo
3.1.27  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @3.1.26    one month ago

I don't take your word as proof of your whackjob conspiracies/pronouncements.

Your word means NOTHING.  

That's just whack.  

 
 
 
Dulay
3.1.28  Dulay  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @3.1.16    one month ago
the video shows otherwise and this issue is far from over.

Again, FALSE. 

There is documented proof that there was NEVER any contemplation of prosecuting Hunter Biden, by Shorkin or anyone else in Ukraine. 

There is also overwhelming evidence that the Burisma investigation, which was about events that occurred PRIOR to Hunter Biden joining the company, was dormant and being used as a possible cudgel. That evidence comes both from Ukraine, the UK and  US witnesses. 

Biden didn't say a word about his son or about any kind of prosecution of ANYONE by ANYONE. 

Any continued claim on your part to the contrary would merely be an attempt at  gaslighting. 

 
 
 
lib50
3.1.29  lib50  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @3.1.26    one month ago

You just can't stop posting the Trump/Putin lies, can you?  Neither can the republicans in the hearing.  They can't defend Trump's crimes, so they bitch and moan about procedures (they put in place) and keep bringing up the disproven conspiracy theories.

 
 
 
Tessylo
3.1.30  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.1    one month ago

'Only progressives take joy in atrocious acts.'

Badfish, if my comment was a sweeping generalization, then so is Vic's.    Since I repeated what he said.  You need to remove Vic's comment also.  It's only fair.  

 
 
 
Krishna
3.2  Krishna  replied to  Vic Eldred @3    one month ago

What about the infamous "black ledger"??????

And what about the sinister goings on in The Notorious "Isles of Langerhans"????

 
 
 
Krishna
3.2.1  Krishna  replied to  Krishna @3.2    one month ago
What about the infamous "black ledger"?????? And what about the sinister goings on in The Notorious "Isles of Langerhans"????

And have you ever wondered about what's up with the notorious "Deep State"...and all the "Black Helicopters" Flyin' Around?

 
 
 
Krishna
3.3  Krishna  replied to  Vic Eldred @3    one month ago
What about the infamous "black ledger"??????

And the notorious " Bohemian Grove "?

Eh-- what about THAT!!!!

320

(Do you even dare to conflate their tires?)

And I'm not even going to mention "Skull and Bones", or "The Deep State" or...the most Powerful Demon of Them All--, a threat to  all of humanity...Alexandria Ocasio Cortez".!!!

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
3.3.1  Vic Eldred  replied to  Krishna @3.3    one month ago

We are looking into it!  LOL

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JBB
4  JBB    2 months ago

Is Lindsey having a moment of clarity? It's about time...

 
 
 
lady in black
4.1  lady in black  replied to  JBB @4    2 months ago

Let's see if it lasts or if he'll go back on the crooked donnie crazy train.

 
 
 
JBB
4.1.1  JBB  replied to  lady in black @4.1    2 months ago

It was just a temporary lapse into sanity...

 
 
 
Ozzwald
4.1.2  Ozzwald  replied to  JBB @4.1.1    2 months ago

It was just a temporary lapse into sanity...

Sounds like it is time for Trump to take him golfing again.  Reminding him about all those rubles he could lose.

 
 
 
Krishna
4.1.3  Krishna  replied to  Ozzwald @4.1.2    2 months ago

Actually I'm surprised he took this position.

He used to confront Trump more (at least on matters of national security).

But he coming up for election soon (in the conservitive state of S. C.) so recently he's reversed many of his independent positions and started regularly kow-towing to Trump..

So this is a surprise...Perhaps he will realize that and reverse his position soon...???

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
4.1.4  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  lady in black @4.1    one month ago

Once you go against Trump, he sends someone out to warm up the bus while he tweets about it.

 
 
 
Krishna
4.1.5  Krishna  replied to  Krishna @4.1.3    one month ago
So this is a surprise...Perhaps he will realize that and reverse his position soon...???

Or else he may end up in Deep DooDoo-- never under-estimate the Power fo The "DEEP STATE"-- they're everywhere!

(Heck, they're even putting chemicals in our water!)

 
 
 
Krishna
4.1.6  Krishna  replied to  JBB @4.1.1    one month ago

Indeed... even a stopped clock is right twice a day!

 
 
 
It Is ME
5  It Is ME    2 months ago

It's funny how the media distorts what was actually talked about as to Grahams "Zero" comment.

Graham Statement:

“It wasn’t Ukraine. Russia was behind the stolen DNC email s and Podesta and all that good stuff,” the senator said.
So as to the Ukraine, they had zero to do with the hacking of the DNC and the stealing of the emails.

Now that sounds really cool for the "Left". jrSmiley_13_smiley_image.gif

Graham then reiterated:

“It was the Russians. I’m 1,000% confident that the hack of the [Democratic National Committee] was by Russian operatives , no one else,” Graham told reporters on Capitol Hill. 

So, based on the report as noted in the seed:

"Sen.  Lindsey Graham  (R-S.C.) has broken ranks with President  Donald Trump   and many of his GOP allies, declaring Tuesday that he is “1,000% confident” that Russia, not Ukraine , interfered in the 2016 U.S. election."

Graham must have said "Ukraine" wasn't responsible for interference in  "Anything" in our elections ? jrSmiley_87_smiley_image.gif

That's just blatantly false, if you actual "READ" and "UNDERSTAND" what Lindsey ACTUALLY WAS TALKING ABOUT ! jrSmiley_88_smiley_image.gif

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Tessylo
5.1  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  It Is ME @5    2 months ago

What's a 'zero' comment?

 
 
 
Ozzwald
5.2  Ozzwald  replied to  It Is ME @5    2 months ago
That's just blatantly false, if you actual "READ" and "UNDERSTAND" what Lindsey ACTUALLY WAS TALKING ABOUT !

Did Graham say there was no pee tape of Trump and prostitutes?  By your logic, that means there is one.

Did Graham say Trump is not an idiot?  By your logic that means that Trump is an idiot.

 
 
 
It Is ME
5.2.1  It Is ME  replied to  Ozzwald @5.2    2 months ago
Did Graham say there was no pee tape of Trump and prostitutes?  By your logic, that means there is one. Did Graham say Trump is not an idiot?  By your logic that means that Trump is an idiot.

Dreamers do say the darndest things. jrSmiley_88_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
5.2.2  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Ozzwald @5.2    one month ago
that means that Trump is an idiot.

That is pretty much common knowledge.

 
 
 
Krishna
5.2.3  Krishna  replied to  Ozzwald @5.2    one month ago
Did Graham say Trump is not an idiot?  By your logic that means that Trump is an idiot.

At least Lindsay doesn't have the bizarre hairstyle that Trump has chosen-- heck even the young'uns laugh at him behind his back!

Daughter Ivanka Trump often makes fun of her dad’s comb-over to friends and delights in explaining how the crazy coiffure comes together, according to “Fire and Fury: Inside the Trump White House.
Even Ivanka knows that Trump Should Be Mocked!

 
 
 
MUVA
5.2.4  MUVA  replied to  Krishna @5.2.3    one month ago

If you have kids they will laugh at you I actually encourage it but I have sense enough to save my head. 

 
 
 
Krishna
5.2.5  Krishna  replied to  MUVA @5.2.4    one month ago
If you have kids they will laugh at you I actually encourage it but I have sense enough to save my head.

Could you repeat that in plain English?

 
 
 
MUVA
5.2.6  MUVA  replied to  Krishna @5.2.5    one month ago

No you wouldn't get it it's humor.

 
 
 
Krishna
5.3  Krishna  replied to  It Is ME @5    one month ago
That's just blatantly false, if you actual "READ" and "UNDERSTAND" what Lindsey ACTUALLY WAS TALKING ABOUT !

But that's just the point-- he speaks in parables, in mysteries, in many tongues so that insane babbling cannot be understood by us mere mortals!

Don't you see, It Is YOU?

Its all an undecipherable plot by The Deep State, The Atheistic Commie Socialists-- and worst of all-- by CHINA!

 
 
 
Krishna
5.4  Krishna  replied to  It Is ME @5    one month ago
if you actual "READ" and "UNDERSTAND" what Lindsey ACTUALLY WAS TALKING ABOUT !

Are you referring to this part of Lindsay's rant?

“It was the Russians. I’m 1,000% confident that the hack of the [Democratic National Committee] was by Russian operatives, no one else,” Graham told reporters on Capitol Hill. 

In a subsequent interview with CNN, Graham said he had “no doubt” that it was the Russians who hacked the emails of the DNC and Hillary Clinton campaign chair John Podesta.

Is that the thing that Lindsay said that you feel people SHOULD READ?

Or do you think people reading that can't understand it? (The meaning seems pretty obvious actually)

 
 
 
MUVA
5.4.1  MUVA  replied to  Krishna @5.4    one month ago

I thought Trump was winning then I saw your posts and it confirms he has already won.

 
 
 
Krishna
5.4.2  Krishna  replied to  MUVA @5.4.1    one month ago
I thought Trump was winning then I saw your posts and it confirms he has already won.

You obviously misinterpreted what I said. It wasn't about winning  (or for that matter about losing). Read them again-- but a bit more slowly and carefully).

 
 
 
MUVA
5.4.3  MUVA  replied to  Krishna @5.4.2    one month ago

You should read my post again he's won.

 
 
 
The People's Fish
6  The People's Fish    2 months ago

Ukraine interfered with the 2016 election at the request of the Hillary campaign. How do we know this? A liberal rag actually ran the story and it was picked up by most every MSM news organization in this country.

Nice Try. 

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/ukraine-sabotage-trump-backfire-233446

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/12/world/europe/ukraine-paul-manafort.html

Right wing conspiracy? Actually it was left wing journalism!

 
 
 
Tessylo
6.1  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  The People's Fish @6    2 months ago

You  need to stop posting your disinformation bullshit BF.  

 
 
 
The People's Fish
6.1.1  The People's Fish  replied to  Tessylo @6.1    2 months ago

Disinformation from Politico and the New York Times. You wish they could take it back but they can't. It happened and now Democrats want to pretend their buddies in the media never told the truth.

2017 and 2018 is so long long ago.

This has to be the crappiest attempt at a cover up I've ever seen. Right wing conspiracy....LOL gee well then why did you report it and  source the hell out of it?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
6.1.2  JohnRussell  replied to  Tessylo @6.1    2 months ago

He can't stop. His political ideology is anarchism, which promotes chaos so as to ruin all government. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
6.1.3  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  The People's Fish @6.1.1    2 months ago

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bugsy
6.1.4  bugsy  replied to  Tessylo @6.1    2 months ago
stop posting your disinformation bullshit

So Politico and the NYT are now disinformation bs? Libs really need to get straight who they hate and don't hate. Seems like it is pretty much everybody these days, depending on what they say.

 
 
 
Dulay
6.1.5  Dulay  replied to  bugsy @6.1.4    2 months ago
So Politico and the NYT are now disinformation bs? 

No it's BF's misinterpretation that disinformation. 

It's just more gaslighting. 

 
 
 
lib50
6.1.6  lib50  replied to  bugsy @6.1.4    one month ago

You have to be able to discern the validity and truth of all information regardless of sources.   Duh.

 
 
 
Krishna
6.1.7  Krishna  replied to  lib50 @6.1.6    one month ago
You have to be able to discern the validity and truth of all information regardless of sources.   Duh.

Apparently he doesn't think he has to.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
6.2  JohnRussell  replied to  The People's Fish @6    2 months ago

When Trump asked Zelensky to investigate Joe Biden he had committed an impeachable offense.  

Don't ask me, ask  Harvard Law Professor Noah Feldman

President Trump’s conduct described in the testimony and evidence clearly constitutes an impeachable high crime and misdemeanor under the Constitution.

According to the testimony and to the publicly released memorandum of the July 25, 2019, telephone call between the two presidents, President Trump abused his office by soliciting the president of Ukraine to investigate his political rivals in order to gain personal political advantage, including in the 2020 presidential election.
This act on its own qualifies as an impeachable high crime and misdemeanor.


The solicitation constituted an abuse of the office of the presidency because Pres. Trump was using his office to seek a personal political and electoral advantage over his political rival, former vice president Joe Biden, and over the Democratic Party. The solicitation was made in the course of the president’s official duties. According to the testimony presented to the House, the solicitation sought to gain an advantage that was personal to the president. This constitutes a corrupt abuse of the power of the presidency. It embodies the framers’ central worry that a sitting president would “spare no efforts or means whatever to get himself re-elected.”

https://d3i6fh83elv35t.cloudfront.net/static/2019/12/Feldman-Testimony.pdf

Feldman is testifying before the House Judiciary Committee's impeachment inquiry today. 

His statement concludes that when Trump asked Zelensky to investigate Biden, in itself that comprises an impeachable offense. No quid pro quo is even necessary.  But of course there is one. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
6.2.1  JohnRussell  replied to  JohnRussell @6.2    2 months ago
The other thing, There's a lot of talk about Biden's son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great.  Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it ... It sounds horrible to me.

As soon as Trump spoke those words he had committed an impeachable offense. 

 
 
 
It Is ME
6.2.2  It Is ME  replied to  JohnRussell @6.2    2 months ago

Yet … Professor Turley is noting the opposite ….. RIGHT NOW ! jrSmiley_97_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
6.2.3  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  JohnRussell @6.2    2 months ago
According to the testimony presented to the House, the solicitation sought to gain an advantage that was personal to the president.

Remember JR, "intent is extremely hard to prove"..........--James Comey-- (paraphrased)

 
 
 
JohnRussell
6.2.4  JohnRussell  replied to  It Is ME @6.2.2    2 months ago

The point of my comment is that whatever Trump thought about Ukraine helping the Democrats ,  it is irrelevant.  The matter had already been looked into by the Senate (Republican led) Intelligence Committee anyway, finding nothing. 

Trump asked the president of a foreign country to investigate one of Trump's election opponents. It is an abuse of power. 

 
 
 
It Is ME
6.2.5  It Is ME  replied to  It Is ME @6.2.2    2 months ago

"PROFESSOR Turley" just tore every so-called Scholar's ASS a new one, on this "Impeachment" fallacy ! jrSmiley_81_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
JohnRussell
6.2.6  JohnRussell  replied to  It Is ME @6.2.5    2 months ago

LOL.  Way to bamboozle , It Is Me !  You are getting the hang of this thing. 

 
 
 
It Is ME
6.2.7  It Is ME  replied to  JohnRussell @6.2.4    2 months ago
Trump asked the president of a foreign country to investigate one of Trump's election opponents.

Trump asked Ukraine to look into corruption , which INCLUDED Biden....who is collecting millions for knowing NOTHING about the company he sits on the board for. jrSmiley_30_smiley_image.gif

Joe (I can't make a coherent sentence) Biden, ISN'T nominated by the "Left", to run against Trump ! jrSmiley_88_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Tessylo
6.2.8  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  It Is ME @6.2.7    2 months ago

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.  

How does it feel to be so blissful?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
6.2.9  JohnRussell  replied to  It Is ME @6.2.7    2 months ago
Trump asked Ukraine to look into corruption , which INCLUDED Biden....who is collecting millions for knowing NOTHING about the company he sits on the board for.

Actually you have it exactly backwards. He specifically asked Zelensky to investigate Joe Biden 

that Biden (Joe) stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great.  Biden (Joe) went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it ...

and Trump never mentioned the word corruption. 

I did a "find word" search on the entire transcript of the phone call between Trump and Zelensky, and the word "corruption" or "corrupt"  do not appear. 

What is your basis for saying Trump asked him to investigate corruption?   when the word does not appear in the text.

 
 
 
bugsy
6.2.10  bugsy  replied to  It Is ME @6.2.2    2 months ago

Sounds to me like Turley is being by far non biased in all of this. I swear I thought Karlan was going to stand during her opening statement, break out her pussy hat and scream feminism talking points before storming out.

 
 
 
Tessylo
6.2.11  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  It Is ME @6.2.5    2 months ago
"PROFESSOR Turley" just tore every so-called Scholar's ASS a new one, on this "Impeachment" fallacy !'

See Comment 8 below.  

 
 
 
JohnRussell
6.2.12  JohnRussell  replied to  bugsy @6.2.10    2 months ago

You hating on her because she is a woman? 

 
 
 
It Is ME
6.2.13  It Is ME  replied to  JohnRussell @6.2.9    2 months ago

Apparently....you DIDN'T read the Transcript of the conversation !

I'll agree the word "Corruption" wasn't specifically used in the actual "Transcripts"....but " Bad People " came up a few times.

Trumps words on this so-called "Biden and Interference in U.S. election".

"Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution, so if you can look into it...sounds horrible to me."

President Zelenskiy response:

"He or she will look into the situation, specifically the company that you mentioned in this issue"

You really need to actually "Read" before "Spouting John !

 
 
 
bugsy
6.2.14  bugsy  replied to  JohnRussell @6.2.12    2 months ago

Uh, no. She did nothing but show her biases, which she will be getting hammered about in a few minutes. She based all of her statement on emotion.

 
 
 
It Is ME
6.2.15  It Is ME  replied to  Tessylo @6.2.11    2 months ago
See Comment 8 below.

I suppose …. 53 pages sound like a lot for "Liberals" (10's waaaay to much for them)....but he didn't READ 53 pages of testimony. jrSmiley_97_smiley_image.gif

Aren't you watching ?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
6.2.16  JohnRussell  replied to  It Is ME @6.2.13    2 months ago
Apparently....you DIDN'T read the Transcript of the conversation !

I quoted from the transcript. 

Your bamboozling is entertaining , in a cartoonish sort of way, as it is scattershot and punctuated by disjointed and mysterious effects. 

President Zelenskiy response:

"He or she will look into the situation, specifically the company that you mentioned in this issue"

You really need to actually "Read" before "Spouting John
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

these words by Trump SPECIFICALLY refer to Joe Biden, not a company. 

that Biden (Joe) stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great.  Biden (Joe) went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it ...
 
 
 
It Is ME
6.2.17  It Is ME  replied to  bugsy @6.2.10    2 months ago
I swear I thought Karlan was going to stand during her opening statement, break out her pussy hat and scream feminism talking points before storming out.

Pretty close. jrSmiley_32_smiley_image.gif

Dem counsel isn't asking Professor Turley any questions right now.

The others he is asking questions of, love to use " euphemism " to make a "I hate Trump" point !

Dems are ONLY looking for "I Feel" stuff.

 
 
 
It Is ME
6.2.18  It Is ME  replied to  JohnRussell @6.2.16    2 months ago
these words by Trump SPECIFICALLY refer to Joe Biden, not a company. 

jrSmiley_78_smiley_image.gif

Let's try this again:

" He or she will look into the situation, specifically the company that you mentioned in this issue"

Is "Biden....THE COMPANY ? jrSmiley_88_smiley_image.gif

"that Biden (Joe) stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that"

That so crappy to want to find things out that "AMERICAN Professional Politicians" have done overseas, that have "Issues" attached. jrSmiley_97_smiley_image.gif

DRAIN THE SWAMP ! jrSmiley_81_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
It Is ME
6.2.19  It Is ME  replied to  Tessylo @6.2.8    2 months ago
You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.  

How would you know ?

You don't "Read" my stuff. jrSmiley_10_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
It Is ME
6.2.20  It Is ME  replied to  JohnRussell @6.2.6    2 months ago
LOL.  Way to bamboozle

LMAO !

You've learned a new word the media told you to use. jrSmiley_10_smiley_image.gif

Try "existential" instead. That's the " word of the year " the "Lefty Talkers" love to use ! 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
6.2.21  JohnRussell  replied to  It Is ME @6.2.20    2 months ago

Nah, I have used the word bamboozle since Trump came on the scene . I have a  fairly large vocabulary. I can show you some new words if you like. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
6.2.22  JohnRussell  replied to  It Is ME @6.2.18    2 months ago
I s "Biden....THE COMPANY ? jrSmiley_88_smiley_image.gif "that Biden (Joe) stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that"

For some reason you are trying to make yourself look foolish. Who am I to stop your fun? 

 
 
 
It Is ME
6.2.23  It Is ME  replied to  JohnRussell @6.2.22    2 months ago

"IS" ….. Biden "THE COMPANY" ?

I'm sure you now know what "IS".....is by now. jrSmiley_102_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
It Is ME
6.2.24  It Is ME  replied to  JohnRussell @6.2.21    2 months ago
Nah, I have used the word bamboozle since Trump came on the scene

So you have been for "Impeachment", even before Trump was elected ? jrSmiley_102_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
6.2.25  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  JohnRussell @6.2    one month ago

IMO, Trump should have been busted when he asked publicly for Russian hackers to find HRC's "missing" emails.

 
 
 
Krishna
6.2.26  Krishna  replied to  JohnRussell @6.2.6    one month ago
Way to bamboozle , It Is Me !  You are getting the hang of this thing. 

Just getting bamboozled?I think its pretty obvious that he and his ilk are bamboozled more often than not!

 
 
 
Dulay
6.3  Dulay  replied to  The People's Fish @6    2 months ago
Ukraine interfered with the 2016 election at the request of the Hillary campaign.

Neither of the links you posted state that BF. Got anything that actually supports you claim or are you just making shit up again? 

 
 
 
Dulay
6.4  Dulay  replied to  The People's Fish @6    one month ago

512

Goose, gander. 

 
 
 
lib50
6.5  lib50  replied to  The People's Fish @6    one month ago

Guess what, fish, THAT IS A LIE AND YOU ARE POSTING FALSE PROPAGANDA.   You are pushing Russian propaganda to try to defend Trump by helping Russia project the blame from their interference in our election to Ukraine.  Stop.  You are posting debunked conspiracy theories.  Helping freaking Russia by casting doubt on our own intelligence agencies.  Really going balls to the red wall?

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2019/dec/04/john-kennedy2/gop-senator-falsely-says-ukraine-president-helped-/

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/facts-gop-claims-ukraine-2016-surface-week/story?id=66942724

In her testimony to House investigators, former National Security Council staffer Fiona Hill, an expert on Russia, said senior White House officials, including then-homeland security adviser Tom Bossert, tried early on in Trump's presidency to tell Trump that “the alternative theory" of Ukrainian election interference was false.

"I'm aware of the [allegations], but that doesn't mean that that amounts to an operation by the Ukrainian Government," she said.

Bossert, now an ABC News contributor, recently said the "conspiracy theory" of Ukrainian election interference "has got to go."

"It is completely debunked," he told ABC News' George Stephanopoulos on "This Week" in September. "They have to stop with that. It cannot continue to be repeated in our discourse."
 
 
 
It Is ME
7  It Is ME    2 months ago

Did you miss the "AS TO" part ?

 
 
 
Krishna
7.1  Krishna  replied to  It Is ME @7    one month ago
Did you miss the "AS TO" part ?

There you go again!

A blatantly obvious attempt at bamboozlement!

 
 
 
Tessylo
8  seeder  Tessylo    2 months ago

Politics

The Republicans' Visual Aids Don't Stack Up Well Against the Intelligence Committee Report

3e8fe5e0-f6a7-11e9-bcf7-fda0636017da   Charles P. Pierce, Esquire   46 minutes ago  

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From Esquire

WASHINGTON—Since it was Civics Lesson Day in front of the House Judiciary Committee on Wednesday, the Republican minority once again demonstrated its vast seventh-grade-class-report skillz with three large pieces of posterboard looming over them featuring quotes that the Republicans apparently believe are devastating to the proposition that the president* and a remarkable percentage of the Executive Branch are as crooked as a dog’s hind leg. On Tuesday, we got the majority report from the Intelligence Committee, which did everything but assign a lot of these jamokes a cell at Danbury. On Wednesday, we got...visual aids.

Meanwhile,   El Caudillo del Mar-a-Lago   is losing his shit in London. This is a helluva day in the world’s oldest democracy.

The four constitutional scholars who testified on Wednesday did present their opening statements in advance. The three witnesses called by the Democratic members of Judiciary—Noah Feldman, Pamela Karlan, and Michael Gerhardt—all kept their statements under ten pages. Jonathan Turley, called by the Republican minority, clocked his in at 53, which is a word salad bar of considerable length.

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Turley is an interesting duck. If I recall correctly, he was one of the first prominent television experts to call for Bill Clinton’s impeachment over the Monica Lewinsky affair. He now is one of the most prominent voices against the impeachment inquiry into the Ukraine shakedown. His statement, remarkably, cites the impeachment of Andrew Johnson as an outlier because it was based on what Turley calls a “trapdoor” crime. In my non-expert opinion, the same could be said of the Clinton impeachment—Hi, Linda Tripp!—of which Turley was an early and enthusiastic supporter. Whatever this is, the president* cannot reasonably said to be entrapped.

And calling the majority report into the Ukraine shakedown a “wafer-thin” record, as Turley does, when it has roped in the president*’s lawyer, his White House chief-of-staff, his Secretary of State, and the ranking member of the Intelligence Committee itself, is absurd. It’s a far bigger pancake than it is a wafer. You can’t fit all of it on a poster, either.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
8.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Tessylo @8    2 months ago

Turley is in the same boat as Alan Dershowitz, although not as obnoxious.  He is a "moderate" politically who has chosen to express his opinions from a conservative viewpoint.  I guess people like that are just too embarrassed to flat out come out and say they are conservatives now. 

 
 
 
It Is ME
8.1.1  It Is ME  replied to  JohnRussell @8.1    2 months ago
Turley is in the same boat as Alan Dershowitz

They are using "Common Law Sense" and don't "toe-the-line" of what the "Left" ….. WANTS ? jrSmiley_54_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
lib50
8.1.2  lib50  replied to  It Is ME @8.1.1    2 months ago

In Turley's case, his hypocrisy is a problem.

But its possible the dems will decide to do what Turley thinks should happen.  Subpoena relevant witnesses.  Mulvany, Pompeo, Pence, Nunes, and others involved in Trump's corruption.  Directly involved.  I have no problem with that.

 
 
 
It Is ME
8.1.3  It Is ME  replied to  lib50 @8.1.2    2 months ago
In Turley's case, his hypocrisy is a problem.

What is his hypocrisy ?

 
 
 
Texan1211
8.1.4  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @8.1    one month ago

Funny how swiftly the left moves to denounce anyone within their ranks not holding the group-think mentality of its members.

 
 
 
MrFrost
9  MrFrost    one month ago

Turley is obviously a paid right wing partisan. Of the four law professors up there he was the only one that was carrying trumps water. He also admitted he has been friends with Bill Barr for a long time. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
9.1  Texan1211  replied to  MrFrost @9    one month ago

Gee, doesn't that mean the other 3 were carrying Democrats' water?

 
 
 
Krishna
9.1.1  Krishna  replied to  Texan1211 @9.1    one month ago
Gee, doesn't that mean the other 3 were carrying Democrats' water?

Don't be coy!

Here's what Graham actually said:

“It was the Russians. I’m 1,000% confident that the hack of the [Democratic National Committee] was by Russian operatives, no one else,” Graham told reporters on Capitol Hill. 

In a subsequent interview with CNN, Graham said he had “no doubt” that it was the Russians who hacked the emails of the DNC and Hillary Clinton campaign chair John Podesta.

“It wasn’t Ukraine. Russia was behind the stolen DNC emails and Podesta and all that good stuff,” the senator said.

 
 
 
The People's Fish
9.2  The People's Fish  replied to  MrFrost @9    one month ago

He is actually a progressive liberal according to all of his bios online. Nice try. "He said something I didn't like, he must be a paid shill" but Trump!

 
 
 
Krishna
9.3  Krishna  replied to  MrFrost @9    one month ago
He also admitted he has been friends with Bill Barr for a long time. 

Bill Barr is the Spawn of the Devil!

 
 
 
Krishna
11  Krishna    one month ago
if you actual "READ" and "UNDERSTAND" what Lindsey ACTUALLY WAS TALKING ABOUT !

Are you referring to this part of Lindsay's rant?

“It was the Russians. I’m 1,000% confident that the hack of the [Democratic National Committee] was by Russian operatives, no one else,” Graham told reporters on Capitol Hill. 

In a subsequent interview with CNN, Graham said he had “no doubt” that it was the Russians who hacked the emails of the DNC and Hillary Clinton campaign chair John Podesta.

Is that the thing that Lindsay said that you feel people SHOULD READ?

Or do you think people reading that can't understand it? (The meaning seems pretty obvious actually)

 
 
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