Trump reportedly spoke with Giuliani on unsecured cellphone lines that were likely tapped by Russia spies


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Via:  tessylo  •  2 years ago  •  21 comments

By: (Tom Porter),Business Insider 

Trump reportedly spoke with Giuliani on unsecured cellphone lines that were likely tapped by Russia spies

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Trump reportedly spoke with Giuliani on unsecured cellphone lines that were likely tapped by Russia spies

8671bb20-a4bf-11e9-bf77-b045690ae315 (Tom Porter), Business Insider   1 hour 33 minutes ago  


  • President Donald Trump has been communicating with his personal attorney Rudy Giuliani on unsecured cellphone lines exposed to surveillance by Russian intelligence,   The Washington Post reported Friday .
  • John Sipher, the former deputy chief of Russia operations at the CIA, told The Post that in failing to secure their communications, Trump and Giuliani had effectively "given the Russians ammunition they can use in an overt fashion, a covert fashion, or in the twisting of information."
  • Giuliani has played a leading role in seeking damaging information on Trump's behalf about the Democratic presidential contender Joe Biden from former Ukrainian officials, a search that is now subject to   an impeachment investigation .
  • Visit Business Insider's homepage for more stories .

President Donald Trump has communicated with Rudy Giuliani on unsecured personal cellphone lines that were almost certainly being monitored by Russian intelligence, current and former US officials told   The Washington Post .

According to phone records released by the House Intelligence Committee this week , Giuliani regularly communicated with several key Trump administration officials and most likely the president himself using his cellphone while he sought damaging information from former Ukrainian officials on the Democratic presidential contender Joe Biden.

But according to intelligence officials who spoke with The Post, there is no indication that Giuliani's phone was encrypted or otherwise protected from surveillance by foreign powers.

An administration official, who was not named in Friday's report, said that Trump regularly talked to Giuliani and others on unsecured lines.

"It happened all the time," the official told The Post. Another aide described Trump's habit of using unsecured cellphone lines as a "bonanza" for foreign intelligence.


Officials told The Post that intelligence agents could have used information gleaned from the calls to feed selected disinformation to Giuliani via Ukrainian assets.

In recent weeks Republican lawmakers and the president have   defended a groundless theory   reportedly seeded by Russian intelligence that Ukraine, not Russia, interfered in the 2016 presidential election.

Giuliani again traveled to Ukraine this week   and met a lawmaker from the pro-Russia Party of Regions.

John Sipher, the former deputy chief of Russia operations at the CIA, told The Post that in failing to secure their communications, Trump and Giuliani had effectively "given the Russians ammunition they can use in an overt fashion, a covert fashion, or in the twisting of information."

He said Russian intelligence agencies most likely had more information on what Trump and Giuliani discussed in the calls than House impeachment investigators.

"Congress and investigators have call records that suggest certain things but have no means whatsoever of getting the actual text" of what was said, Sipher said. "I guarantee the Russians have the actual information."

The White House did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

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1  seeder  Tessylo    2 years ago

Russians likely eavesdropped on Giulani’s calls with Trump: report

Published: Dec 5, 2019 10:48 p.m. ET
Washington Post says call logs suggest Trump and others are still using unsecure phones
Donald Trump and Rudy Giuliani, seen in 2016.



“Congress and investigators have call records that suggest certain things but have no means whatsoever of getting the actual text. . . . I guarantee the Russians have the actual information.”

Those are the words of John Sipher, the CIA’s former deputy chief of Russia operations, telling the Washington Post that Russia probably knows more about Rudy Giulani’s calls regarding Ukraine than impeachment investigators do.

The Post reported Thursday that phone logs between Giuliani and the White House switchboard suggest high-level communications on personal cellphones that were almost certainly under foreign surveillance.

Sipher told the Post that Russian intelligence likely monitors Giuliani’s calls and that through the continued use of unsecured phones, Guiliani and President Donald Trump have effectively “given the Russians ammunition they can use in an overt fashion, a covert fashion or in the twisting of information.”

An unnamed former senior aide agreed that the Russians have likely been eavesdropping on calls between Trump and Giuliani. “It’s a bonanza for them,” he told the Post.

And it’s not just calls with the president — the Post said that Giuliani’s phone conversations with people such as Lev Parnas could be just as valuable to foreign spies, especially if he was recounting conversations he had with Trump.

U.S. officials told the Post that Giuliani would have been a prime target for Russian intelligence efforts since early on in Trump’s administration. And knowing about their discussions could greatly help Russian disinformation efforts in Ukraine and the U.S., they said.

aid the call logs suggest that three years into his term and after multiple warnings from intelligence officials, Trump still uses personal cellphones that are vulnerable to electronic eavesdropping. One former Trump administration official told the Post that former chief of staff John Kelly tried to get Trump to use secure White House phone lines in 2017, but Trump refused because there then would be logs of his calls.

Trump’s use of unsecured phones was reported as far back as May 2017, after reports that he gave foreign leaders his private cellphone number. A Politico report a year later said Trump found the secure lines “too inconvenient.”

Giuliani has had his own security issues — in October, NBC News reported he brought his phone to an Apple Store to get it unlocked, a move that experts called “crazy” and “unnerving” because an Apple employee with no security clearance could have accessed classified information.

Ironically, one of Trump’s main lines of attack against 2016 presidential opponent Hillary Clinton was her use of a private email server that was vulnerable to hacking.

2  seeder  Tessylo    2 years ago

Officials Still Worry Trump Is Using Cellphones That Can Be Hacked: Report Nick Visser,HuffPost 6 hours ago 


President Donald Trump has continued to use a cellphone that U.S. officials warn may be vulnerable to hacking by Russian intelligence, according to a report Thursday in The Washington Post.

The House Intelligence Committee released a bevy of phone records earlier this week as part of its impeachment investigation, showing a number of calls between Trump’s personal attorney Rudy Giuliani and unidentified people in the White House. The Post, citing current and former U.S. officials, said Trump may well have been the recipient of those calls and there is no indication they were encrypted in order to deter foreign governments from listening in.

“It happens all the time,” one former aide told the Post, referring to Trump’s calls with Giuliani on unsecured devices.

The president has been criticized over his penchant for personal devices before. In May 2018, Politico reported that the president used two government-issued iPhones that didn’t have top security features. A recommendation that the phones be swapped out every month to avoid monitoring was “too inconvenient,” an official told Politico at the time.

The New York Times reported in October 2018 that U.S. intelligence reports indicated Chinese and Russian spies had been able to listen to Trump’s calls on the iPhones. He still refused to give up the devices at the time.

The president has pushed back on the various reports about his iPhone use. After the October story, he called the Times report “soooo wrong,” saying he only used government phones and that he “seldom” used government cellphones.

The Post noted that Trump had given his private cellphone number to various world leaders, and it’s unclear if and when he has conversations with them using his personal devices. The Post said that British Prime Minister Boris Johnson and French President Emmanuel Macron have the number, as does Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan. Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau also reportedly has the digits.

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3  Just Jim NC TttH    2 years ago

Reportedly...........Likely.......'nuff said

3.3  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3    2 years ago

Nope, not 'nuff said.  

3.4  bccrane  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3    2 years ago

And why would the Russians need to eavesdrop on conversations of their own "operative", "puppet", "asset", etc.?

3.4.2  bccrane  replied to    2 years ago

LOL, good one.

4  JBB    2 years ago

Yeah, but what about Hillary's emails in 2010?

From Ivanka's private email server to Trump's unsecured phone line to Rudy's Ukrainian side deals Trumpism is just another word for a national security nightmare...

5  JohnRussell    2 years ago

I've got an idea. Why doesnt one of the reporters ask Trump ,at his next helicopter pad "press conference" , why he is talking to people on unsecure phones?   

He'll lie about it of course but at least he will know someone cares. 

7  XDm9mm    2 years ago

Hot damn...   people posting things from BS sources with no knowledge of what they speak about...

Here's a primer for the ignorant to read (if they can) and digest which is highly doubtful as that would take a modicum of intelligence sorely lacking:

President Trump’s Mobile Phone: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know

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President Donald Trump attends a joint press conference with Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe at the White House on Feb. 10. (Getty)

Now that he’s President of the United States, Donald Trump’s mobile phone use has become a national security issue.

We all know about Trump’s penchant for Twitter, but what type of device is he using to post his messages, and is it secure? Read on for details.

1. Before Taking Office, Trump Used a Samsung Galaxy

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Samsung’s Galaxy S6 Edge+ shown at Samsung Unpacked on on Aug. 13, 2015 in New York City. (Getty)

Before he became president, Trump used a Samsung Galaxy smartphone, according to an October 2015 report from The New York Times The exact model is unknown, but based on an analysis of the few photos out there of Trump using his smartphone, the folks over at Android Central believe it was the Galaxy S3. A photo from February 2016 showed Trump using what appeared to be the same Galaxy S3, which was originally released in 2012, as a presidential candidate.

During the presidential campaign, Data Scientist David Robinson conducted an analysis of the tweets from Trump’s Twitter handle @realDonaldTrump , and concluded that posts coming from Trump himself were written on an Android, while those from his “handler” originated from an iPhone.

Trump’s Android-sent Tweets were generally more hyperbolic relying heavily on negative words like “badly,” “crazy” and “weak” to describe his adversaries, according to the study. Trump’s iPhone messages, on the other hand, struck a more positive tone.

“My analysis … concludes that the Android and iPhone tweets are clearly from different people, posting during different times of day and using hashtags, links, and retweets in distinct ways,” Robinson wrote. “What’s more, we can see that the Android tweets are angrier and more negative, while the iPhone tweets tend to be benign announcements and pictures.”

2. Trump Was Reluctant to Hand Over His Android, But Did

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Trump speaks on the phone with Russian President Vladimir Putin in the White House Oval Office on Jan. 28, 2017. (Getty)

The Times in late November, citing Trump’s aides, reported that the then president-elect was hesitant to hand over his Android phone.

“He is worried, his aides say, that he will not be able to keep his Android phone once he gets to the White House and wonders aloud how isolated he will become — and whether he will be able to keep in touch with his friends — without it as president,” the newspaper reported.

In the weeks leading up to his inauguration, Trump was still using his personal Android and calling back unknown numbers, as the Associated Press reported:

A few hours after President-elect Donald Trump was briefed by intelligence officials about Russian meddling in the election, an Associated Press reporter called his cellphone seeking an interview.

The call went to voicemail and the reporter did not leave a message. About an hour later, Trump called back.

The news outlet reported that Trump on Jan. 19 — the day before he took the oath of office — told a friend that he had indeed given up his phone, at the request of security agencies.

3. President Obama Used a Dumbed-Down ‘Toddler’ Phone

President Obama Explains His Old-School Blackberry.  President Obama shares his tips on compromise and breaks down why he doesn't carry a modern smartphone.

If history is any indication, Trump’s mobile phone for the next four years will be pretty locked down by the National Security Agency.

Barack Obama was the first US president to use a cell phone while in office. When he first became president, Obama was allowed to keep his Blackberry, but the NSA modified the device so he could only contact his closest advisors, according to CNN . During his last year in office, Obama was allowed to ditch the Blackberry for an iPhone, but that device also had many of its features wiped away for security reasons, including the ability to take photos, text, make calls, or play music. He could only really use the iPhone to email with a select group of people, browse the Web, and read the news.

Obama last year on Jimmy Fallon’s Tonight Show griped about the smartphone, which he compared to a play phone for toddlers. Check out the video above.

4. Trump Got a New, Secret Service-Approved Mobile Device

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For 197,000 rubles ($2,971) you can get a gold-plated iPhone 7 bearing Trump’s likeness, thanks to Russian-Italian smartphone customization company Caviar Phones. (Getty) 

It’s still unclear what type of smartphone Trump is using as president, but the Times reported that he ditched the old Android in favor of a “secure, encrypted device” that was approved by the Secret Service.

It seems the days of Trump taking calls from random unknown numbers are over for the time being. Alongside the new phone, he also got a new number that only a few people know, a according to the Times . That should make his new aides happy, some of whom were “blindsided when a reporter, outside adviser or officeseeker dialed the president-elect directly,” the report noted.

Given that it was approved by the Secret Service, Trump’s new phone probably can’t send texts, take photos, or play music.

5. Concerns About His Old Phone Persist

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A Trump impersonator attends a rally in Las Vegas on Dec. 14, 2015. (Getty)

Though reports indicate that Trump gave up his Android phone in favor of something more secure, the Times on Jan. 25 reported that he was still using his old handset to do one thing: tweet.

When Trump assumed the position of Commander in Chief, he also inherited Obama’s Twitter handle, @POTUS , but most of Trump’s action on Twitter still comes from his personal account.

Since moving into 1600 Pennsylvania Ave., Trump has been using “his old, unsecured Android to post on Twitter,” raising national security concerns, the Times wrote, contradicting earlier reports that he got rid of the device.

Using the phone on an insecure Wi-Fi network could reveal his location and other data on the device, the report noted. Hackers could also potentially breach Trump’s smartphone if he were to click on a malicious link inside a tweet or message, then turn on the camera or microphone to spy.

It would be pretty bad if Trump is still tweeting from the same Galaxy S3 he appeared to be using in February 2016. As Android Central pointed out, that handset hasn’t been updated since 2015, meaning it lacks important Android security patches available to newer models.


8  Tacos!    2 years ago
"Congress and investigators have call records that suggest certain things but have no means whatsoever of getting the actual text" of what was said, Sipher said. "I guarantee the Russians have the actual information."

That's quite a claim. Easy to make though, because there will never be any way to prove or disprove it. Meanwhile, there will be plenty of people willing to accept it as an established fact.

And "guaranteed" to boot! Does that mean we get our money back if he's wrong?

This guy makes it sound like the Russians have magical powers compared to what we have in the U.S.


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