Emails Show Trump Asked About Ukraine Aid Before Zelensky Call

  
Via:  sister-mary-agnes-ample-bottom  •  4 weeks ago  •  133 comments

By:   Daniel Flatley

Emails Show Trump Asked About Ukraine Aid Before Zelensky Call
Given the sensitive nature of the request, I appreciate your keeping that information closely held to those who need to know...

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New documents show President Donald Trump asked about U.S. military aid to Ukraine a month before the call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy that went on to trigger the impeachment investigation into Trump.

The heavily-redacted documents, obtained under a Freedom of Information request by the Center for Public Integrity, also show that administration officials ordered a hold on the aid about an hour after the leaders’ call on July 25.

Trump asked about a June 19 article in the Washington Examiner newspaper referencing the aid. Michael Duffey, an official at the Office of Management and Budget, wrote to the Pentagon requesting more detail about the funding, according to an email from Duffey to the Pentagon comptroller.

“The President has asked about this funding release, and I have been tasked to follow-up with someone over there to get more detail.”

An email from Duffey to Deputy Secretary of Defense David Norquist on July 25, shortly after the Trump-Zelensky phone call, expressed uneasiness about the hold.

“Given the sensitive nature of the request, I appreciate your keeping that information closely held to those who need to know,” Duffey wrote.

Duffey, an OMB official working on national security issues, is one of four witnesses Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer has requested for the pending Senate trial of Trump on two articles of impeachment passed by the House of Representative this week.

Schumer met with Senator Majority Leader Mitch McConnell Thursday to discuss the terms of a trial. The meeting ended in an impasse before Congress broke for the holidays.

Schumer “made clear to Senator McConnell that the witnesses and documents are necessary to ensure a fair trial in the Senate,” spokesman Justin Goodman said. McConnell has been pushing for a process that likely won’t include any witnesses.

The other officials Schumer has requested are Mick Mulvaney, the acting White House chief of staff, John Bolton, the former national security adviser who left the administration in September, and Robert Blair, an adviser to Mulvaney.

The House adopted two articles of impeachment against Trump Wednesday following an investigation into allegations that the president withheld military aid from Ukraine in an effort to extract politically damaging information about a domestic political rival, former Vice President Joe Biden.

The historic votes Wednesday won the support of almost all Democrats in the House chamber but not a single Republican, leaving Trump as only the third president in U.S. history to be impeached.

Senator Chris Murphy, a Democrat from Connecticut, said Saturday on Twitter that the new documents, which CPI -- a non-profit investigative journalism organization -- reported late Friday, show that the internal notes show Trump’s “direct involvement” in the matter.

Murphy later seemed to concede that the documents, while important, were just the latest piece of evidence in a months-long inquiry spearheaded by House Democrats that still seems certain to end in Trump’s acquittal by the Republican-controlled Senate, some time in early 2020.

“Frankly it’s just the 77th piece of evidence confirming the same thing,” Murphy said in a reply to Senator Brian Schatz, a Hawaii Democrat.


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Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
1  seeder  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom    4 weeks ago

Senator Chris Murphy, a Democrat from Connecticut, said Saturday on Twitter that the new documents, which CPI -- a non-profit investigative journalism organization -- reported late Friday, show that the internal notes show Trump’s “direct involvement” in the matter.

The Chosen One and his pallies might have a problem finding a spin for this one.

 
 
 
PJ
1.1  PJ  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @1    4 weeks ago

They won't have to spin it.  Their supporters don't care.  They have ignored everything this President has done that if it were any other person (democrat) they would have raised their pitchforks and grabbed their ropes and demanded accountability. 

I spoke with my mother this evening and she said she is so worried.  She doesn't feel like this is america anymore.  She's right, it's not America.  It's the land of corruption and white nationalists, aka Trump's America.    

 
 
 
cjcold
1.1.1  cjcold  replied to  PJ @1.1    4 weeks ago

It's a good thing liberals tend to not be assassins.

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
1.1.2  Freedom Warrior  replied to  cjcold @1.1.1    4 weeks ago

Sure the classic liberals are survivable except today’s radical left appear to have a soft spot their ideological cohorts that killed a hundred million in the 20th century

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
1.2  Vic Eldred  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @1    4 weeks ago

It's too bad the House was in such a rush to write up the articles of impeachment and vote on it. That was the time to go through everything and make a case. They promised impeachment 3 years ago. They delivered. That was really all they wanted.

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
1.2.1  seeder  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2    4 weeks ago
They promised impeachment 3 years ago. They delivered.

Promises made.  Promises kept.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
1.2.2  Vic Eldred  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @1.2.1    4 weeks ago

Hey sister: Let's raise a glass; Here's to the hate filled left!

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
1.2.3  seeder  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2.2    4 weeks ago
Hey sister: Let's raise a glass; Here's to the hate filled left!

What would Trump say if he knew you drank?  Besides, I have 2 weeks left in my chemo cycle and can't tolerate even a sip of alcohol.  However, I do have the bong loaded and ready to go.  So...let's blast one in honor of our President to prove that it really is easy to find a happy medium.  

 

 
 
 
StinkWeedPete
1.2.4  StinkWeedPete  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2    4 weeks ago
They Who? <cough>
 
 
 
r.t..b...
1.2.5  r.t..b...  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @1.2.3    4 weeks ago
So...let's blast one in honor of our President to prove that it really is easy to find a happy medium.  

Or a happy mediocre. Happy Holidaze, all!

Peace, Sister, and good karma coming your way.

 
 
 
Kathleen
1.2.6  Kathleen  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @1.2.3    4 weeks ago

Sister, I hope everything goes well for you during your treatments. Have a nice holiday with your family.

 
 
 
StinkWeedPete
1.2.7  StinkWeedPete  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @1.2.3    4 weeks ago
However, I do have the bong loaded and ready to go.

not sure weve met but my thinkin is to always have two bongs loaded an redy to go. one fer me and the other fer me later. sorry to hear yer havin a tough time round the holy days but im sure yule be fine. positiv thinkin, always da way to go. 

 
 
 
PJ
1.2.8  PJ  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @1.2.1    4 weeks ago

And moreover, simpletons can only digest information and facts in small doses.  Otherwise there would have been pages full of Trump AND his Administration's wrong doing.

 
 
 
Enoch
1.2.9  Enoch  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @1.2.3    4 weeks ago

Dear Friend SMAAB: I am here for you.

24/7.

Please use my personal email for privacy.

P&AB.

Enoch.

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
1.2.10  seeder  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  Kathleen @1.2.6    4 weeks ago
Sister, I hope everything goes well for you during your treatments.

No worries, it's just the tail-end of a little maintenance.  

Happy holidays to you and your family as well.

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
1.2.11  seeder  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  StinkWeedPete @1.2.7    4 weeks ago
not sure weve met

Something tells me we have...

one fer me and the other fer me later.

Ha!

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
1.2.12  seeder  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  r.t..b... @1.2.5    4 weeks ago
Peace, Sister, and good karma coming your way.

Fastest karma delivery ever.  I'm already feeling like a million bucks.  Of course I'd rather have a million bucks. jrSmiley_7_smiley_image.png

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
1.2.13  seeder  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  Enoch @1.2.9    4 weeks ago

Check your email later.

jrSmiley_93_smiley_image.jpg

 
 
 
Raven Wing
1.2.14  Raven Wing  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @1.2.10    4 weeks ago
No worries, it's just the tail-end of a little maintenance.

Much love to you my sweet Sister, and best wishes for a good recovery. jrSmiley_15_smiley_image.gifjrSmiley_93_smiley_image.jpg

 
 
 
Kavika
1.2.15  Kavika   replied to  Raven Wing @1.2.14    4 weeks ago

Maintenance or not, I'm in your corner sister.

 
 
 
charger 383
1.2.16  charger 383  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @1.2.10    4 weeks ago

hope the maintenance is all that's needed and you feel better 

 
 
 
devangelical
1.2.17  devangelical  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @1.2.3    4 weeks ago

treatment won't be complete without a laying of hands upon you by rev. devangelical

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
1.2.18  igknorantzrulz  replied to  devangelical @1.2.17    4 weeks ago

not sure the Good Sister swings that way,

but believe your intentions to be genuine, and positive.

Now me, i'm positive like HIV, but spelled differently, asz eye due, on any not Oh Kassion,

use you lee, have something wrong to say, so i said it.

I'm with U, wishin the good sister gets well soon, and all have a good "Doc" ter less Holiday,

Also a prayer possibly or r.t..b...for his wife, and the good Enoch.

.

To the silly string haired mental midget, and his incessant defenders of any and all, how can your P brain minds remain so damn small.

How do you guys EXCUSE EVERYTHING, this POS potUS does ?????

It's a sickness of sum sort

N plenty thinking individuals are Damn Sick of it, them, and Trumpp.  He neeeds to be PUTIN AWay

not Put In our way

 
 
 
r.t..b...
1.2.19  r.t..b...  replied to  igknorantzrulz @1.2.18    4 weeks ago
Also a prayer possibly or r.t..b...for his wife

Thank you, klutz. I enjoy your posts more than any other, expanding the mind as only a poet can do. Keep writing, keep fighting the battles, and keep the faith, however that may be defined for you. 

Peace, my brother. 

 
 
 
Snuffy
1.2.20  Snuffy  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @1.2.12    4 weeks ago
Of course I'd rather have a million bucks.

email from Nigeria on it's way...   jrSmiley_10_smiley_image.gif

other than that, best wishes for you on this maintenance. Really hope that it all goes well.  My daughter recently found out that after 7 years her breast cancer has returned and goes in for surgery on the 3rd.  All I can say is CANCER SUCKS!!!

 
 
 
r.t..b...
1.2.21  r.t..b...  replied to  Snuffy @1.2.20    4 weeks ago
surgery on the 3rd.  All I can say is CANCER SUCKS!!!

We are going in on the 2nd. Here's to a positive outcome for the both of us...

And here's to all of those who have surrounded us with their prayers, positive thoughts and genuine offers of kindness. The community of caring we have experienced gives me hope...transcending the negativity we see in the political arena...in the real world, it doesn't mean a damn thing as we negotiate the personal trauma we all encounter and deal with as best we can.

Best of luck and my best wishes for a positive outcome, Snuffy. 

 
 
 
Kathleen
1.2.22  Kathleen  replied to  Snuffy @1.2.20    4 weeks ago

Hoping everything goes well for your daughter Snuffy. 

 
 
 
Kathleen
1.2.23  Kathleen  replied to  r.t..b... @1.2.21    4 weeks ago

You are so right rtb, there are so many other things in our lives that mean so much more. Sending some good wishes to your wife.

 
 
 
Enoch
1.2.24  Enoch  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @1.2.13    4 weeks ago

Dear Friend SMAAB: Just did.

Check yours.

Warmest of cyber hugs.

P&AB (and check please).

Enoch.

 
 
 
r.t..b...
1.2.25  r.t..b...  replied to  Kathleen @1.2.23    4 weeks ago
there are so many other things in our lives that mean so much more

A mantra we should all embrace. Thank you, Kathleen...you have been so generous with your kind thoughts in the past and they mean even more today. Merry Christmas to you and yours!

 
 
 
Kathleen
1.2.26  Kathleen  replied to  r.t..b... @1.2.25    4 weeks ago

Same to you. 😊

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
1.2.27  Trout Giggles  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @1.2.12    4 weeks ago

luv ya Sis!

 
 
 
katrix
1.2.28  katrix  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2    4 weeks ago
That was the time to go through everything and make a case.

Trump obstructed Congress and prevented a lot of people from testifying, since he knew they would incriminate him. Including Duffey. Imagine that.

 
 
 
Snuffy
1.2.29  Snuffy  replied to  r.t..b... @1.2.21    4 weeks ago

Best of luck to your wife...   thinking only the best thoughts to keep the waves positive...  no negative waves allowed.

 
 
 
Snuffy
1.2.30  Snuffy  replied to  katrix @1.2.28    4 weeks ago
Trump obstructed Congress and prevented a lot of people from testifying, since he knew they would incriminate him. Including Duffey. Imagine that.

Not really but it makes a good sound bite.  Trump told them not to testify but did not prevent them as there were several that did go testify. Trump is allowed to use Executive Privilege, his is a co-equal branch of the federal government. The rules are laid out, congress should have used the 3rd branch of the government to resolve the issue but they didn't.

As far as calling for witnesses in the Senate trial, McConnell has already said he would like to use the same process that was used for Bill Clinton where the House presents its case and then with a bi-partisan vote the Senate then decides on other witnesses and document subpoenas. I don't see why that is such an issue.

 
 
 
Kavika
1.2.31  Kavika   replied to  r.t..b... @1.2.21    4 weeks ago

Snuffy and r.t..b wishing positive outcomes to your daughter and wife. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
1.2.32  Vic Eldred  replied to  katrix @1.2.28    4 weeks ago
Trump obstructed Congress

So the Legislative branch is superior to the Executive branch? I thought they were equal branches.


prevented a lot of people from testifying

Yup, just as Obama did during the "fast & furious" inquiry. It's called "Executive Privilege" and when the President and congress are at odds over it, we should allow the Court to weigh in.


since he knew they would incriminate him

It must be, huh?



 
 
 
Dulay
1.2.33  Dulay  replied to  Snuffy @1.2.30    4 weeks ago
I don't see why that is such an issue.

Perhaps that's because you and McConnell are making a false equivalency between Clinton's trial and Trump's. 

Every subpoena for witnesses and documents was complied with by time the House took up impeachment for Clinton. Not so with Trump. 

Every one of the witnesses were deposed during the Clinton investigation, INCLUDING Clinton. That is not true with Trump. 

So the Senate already had transcripts from ALL of the witness depositions AND Grand Jury testimony. In short, they had a couple of additional questions for witnesses but they already knew the bulk of their testimony. 

Ironically, a Senate panel deposed a couple of witnesses who had already given testimony for the investigation BEHIND CLOSED DOORS and they played the tape of those depositions rather than calling LIVE witnesses to testify to the whole Senate during the trial. 

 
 
 
Dulay
1.2.34  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2.32    4 weeks ago
So the Legislative branch is superior to the Executive branch? I thought they were equal branches.

Since the Executive takes an oath to 'take care that the laws are faithfully executed' law subpoena's should be complied to. 

Yup, just as Obama did during the "fast & furious" inquiry. 

Nope, over 7000 documents were released for the "fast & furious" inquiry and Holder held back DOCUMENTS, not testimony. 

Fail. 

It's called "Executive Privilege" and when the President and congress are at odds over it, we should allow the Court to weigh in.

Executive Privilege actually has to be formally invoked and for specific persons and documents. There is no such thing as 'blanket Executive privilege'. 

Oh and then there is the little fact that Executive Privilege cannot be used to hide wrongdoing. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
1.2.35  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dulay @1.2.34    4 weeks ago
Since the Executive takes an oath to 'take care that the laws are faithfully executed' law subpoena's should be complied to. 

Unfortunately you never pass the shoe's on the other foot test. Had it happened with Obama you'd be telling us why it was technically so different - not that it would have EVER have happened to Obama. Obama knew how to deal with   whistleblowers he prosecuted no less than eight leakers under the Espionage Act.


Nope

Oh, but YES

"The House Oversight Committee let loose with a scathing assessment of   Eric Holder   in a recent report, accusing the Barack Obama-era attorney general of outright misleading Congress on its investigation of the “Fast and Furious” gun-running scandal.

And get this. Among the report’s 300 pages is the committee’s finding that   Holder   regarded the family of murdered Border Patrol agent   Brian Terry   as a “nuisance.”

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jun/7/eric-holder-slammed-fast-and-furious-obstruction/

https://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/crime/item/26360-congress-rips-obama-on-cover-up-of-fast-and-furious-gun-running

https://nypost.com/2016/05/21/the-scandal-in-washington-no-one-is-talking-about/



Executive Privilege actually has to be formally invoked and for specific persons and documents. 

I know that is the official progressive line, but the Courts have already begun taking it up:

"The decision by the Supreme Court to review the lower court rulings involving congressional and prosecution subpoenas directed toward President Trump  undercuts the second article of impeachment that passed the House Judiciary Committee along party lines last week.

That second article of impeachment charges President Trump with obstruction of Congress for refusing to comply with the congressional subpoenas in the absence of a final court order. In so charging him, the House Judiciary Committee has arrogated to itself the power to decide the validity of subpoenas, and the power to determine whether claims of executive privilege must be recognized, both authorities that properly belong with the judicial branch of our government, not the legislative branch. The House of Representatives will do likewise, when it votes to approve the articles, as the chamber is expected to do so Wednesday."




https://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/474710-supreme-court-ruling-pulls-rug-out-from-under-article-of-impeachment

 

 
 
 
Dulay
1.2.36  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2.35    4 weeks ago
Unfortunately you never pass the shoe's on the other foot test.

Your whataboutism is a test you fail, not I. 

Had it happened with Obama you'd be telling us why it was technically so different - not that it would have EVER have happened to Obama.

Trump is the first and only one to claim a blanket Executive privilege. 

Obama knew how to deal with   whistleblowers he prosecuted no less than eight leakers under the Espionage Act.

NO whistleblower, as defined by the Whistleblower Protection Act, has EVER been prosecuted under the Espionage Act. So as with so many of your posts, your little fantasy scenario is bullshit. 

Oh, but YES

Oh butt NO. You claimed that the withheld TESTIMONY yet try to support your claim with links and statements about DOCUMENTS. As usual, you're incapable of supporting what you ACTUALLY said so you deflect...

I know that is the official progressive line, but the Courts have already begun taking it up

That's pretty fucking hypocritical after you cited the Holder case. Was THAT the 'official progressive line' then too? 

Oh and BTW, fuck Allen Dershowitz and his 'opinion'. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
1.2.37  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dulay @1.2.36    4 weeks ago
NO whistleblower, as defined by the Whistleblower Protection Act, has EVER been prosecuted under the Espionage Act.

Oh, as defined by the WB Protection Act! Is that going to be the game today?

Here for anyone interested:

(Washington, DC) – On April 3, 2012, the Obama administration indicted intelligence whistleblower John Kiriakou. Kiriakou is the sixth whistleblower that the Obama administration has charged under the Espionage Act for the alleged mishandling of classified information – more than all past administrations combined. In a rare move, the indictment was sealed until today.

https://whistleblower.org/press/obama-indicts-sixth-whistleblower-under-espionage-act/

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
1.2.38  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  StinkWeedPete @1.2.4    4 weeks ago

I love your handle.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
1.2.39  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dulay @1.2.36    3 weeks ago
Oh and BTW, fuck Allen Dershowitz and his 'opinion'. 

Dosen't he just gall ya?

So sorry for you.

 
 
 
Dulay
1.2.40  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2.37    3 weeks ago
Oh, as defined by the WB Protection Act! Is that going to be the game today?

You're the game player Vic. You prove it by trying to make the false equivalency of the WB who Trump is after and John Kiriakou, who pled GUILTY of disclosing the identity of a fellow CIA agent. 

John Kiriakou NEVER applied for WB protection. 

In short, your post is just MORE bullshit. jrSmiley_76_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
1.2.41  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dulay @1.2.40    3 weeks ago
who pled GUILTY of disclosing the identity of a fellow CIA agent. 

That was your fuckin Obama FBI at work. He was prosecuted for releasing classified information. He was exposing the thing Obama would later call torture - "waterboarding."


"He warned Snowden to anticipate FBI officials wearing clandestine listening devices who may attempt to betray and entrap him into making comments that, heard out of context, would seem incriminating."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Kiriakou

Oh, my, Dosen't that have a familiar ring to it?

 
 
 
Dulay
1.2.42  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2.41    3 weeks ago
That was your fuckin Obama FBI at work.

Do you ever post anything that is fact based Vic?

Kiriakou was in the CIA, NOT the FBI and he outed a CIA agent and CIA torture. 

Secondly, Obama wasn't the only one who acknowledged that waterboarding IS torture. John McCann comes to mind. 

BTFW, is there any American left that trusts any LEO in this country? From the street cop to the FBI and CIA, they LIE to you, we all know that. They're allowed to lie, the SCOTUS ruled on that long ago. So I hardly think that Kiriakou's warning to Snowden was a fucking revelation. 

Oh, my, Dosen't that have a familiar ring to it?

If you hear a familiar ring, then it's between the Obama and the Trump FBI. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
1.2.43  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dulay @1.2.42    3 weeks ago
Kiriakou was in the CIA, NOT the FBI and he outed a CIA agent and CIA torture. 

We know he was in the CIA. It was the FBI who traced the leaks back to him.

Patrick J. Fitzgerald, U.S. Attorney for the Northern District of Illinois, who was appointed Special Attorney in 2010 to supervise the investigation, said, “I want to thank the Washington Field Office of the FBI and the team of attorneys assigned to this matter for their hard work and dedication to tracing the sources of the leaks of classified information.” 

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/former-cia-officer-john-kiriakou-charged-disclosingcovert-officer-s-identity-and-other


Secondly, Obama wasn't the only one who acknowledged that waterboarding IS torture. John McCann comes to mind. 

So what? It was president Obama who banned it!


is there any American left that trusts any LEO in this country?

For the past 3 years the American left has saluted Obama's weaponized FBI. On these very pages Iv'e heard them praise Comey and McCabe simply because they did their duty and/or eluded indictment.


 
 
 
Dulay
1.2.44  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2.43    3 weeks ago
We know he was in the CIA.

There you go with your 'we' crap again. 

It was the FBI who traced the leaks back to him.

Point? 

The FACT is, he wasn't a whistleblower as defined under the Whistleblower Protection Act and Obama did NOT prosecute anyone that was. You can keep trying and failing to deflect from that fact ad nauseam but it will still be a fact. 

So what? It was president Obama who banned it!

Yes he did and he brought the US back into compliance with the Geneva Conventions by doing so. 

Oh and BTFW, despite all of Trump's blather and bluster, he hasn't revoked Obama's EO. 

For the past 3 years the American left has saluted Obama's weaponized FBI. 

Anyone that knows the slightest thing about the history of the FBI knows that it has been 'weaponized' since it's inception. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
1.2.45  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dulay @1.2.44    3 weeks ago
There you go with your 'we' crap again. 

You sound triggered..

The FACT is, he wasn't a whistleblower as defined under the Whistleblower Protection Act and Obama did NOT prosecute anyone that was.

To the contrary, the FACT is that Obama prosecuted 8 of them AND he had reporters SPIED on!

Yes he did and he brought the US back into compliance with the Geneva Conventions by doing so. 

Only if you believe "waterboarding" is defined as torture.

Oh and BTFW, despite all of Trump's blather and bluster, he hasn't revoked Obama's EO. 

Oh, BTFW, Trump wouldn't, since he has no vested interest in "waterboarding".  That belongs to the Bush administration. Bush's EO was countered by Obama's EO.
Oh and BTFW, Gina Haspel, the new CIA Director had a direct involvement in the "Waterboarding" program.

Anyone that knows the slightest thing about the history of the FBI knows that it has been 'weaponized' since it's inception. 

Nope. It was the radical Obama who politicized just every agency of government. (Hoover & co were not politicized. They acted on their own).

 
 
 
Dulay
1.2.46  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2.45    3 weeks ago
You sound triggered..

You're hearing things. 

To the contrary, the FACT is that Obama prosecuted 8 of them AND he had reporters SPIED on!

Do you think that repeating the same lies ad nauseam makes them any less lies Vic? 

Only if you believe "waterboarding" is defined as torture.

Since Japanese soldiers were tried, convicted and HUNG for torture, including waterboarding, it's pretty fucking clear that waterboarding IS defined as torture AND war crimes. 

Oh, BTFW, Trump wouldn't, since he has no vested interest in "waterboarding".  That belongs to the Bush administration. Bush's EO was countered by Obama's EO.

But Trump said:

"I would bring back waterboarding and I'd bring back a hell of a lot worse than waterboarding." 

“Would I approve waterboarding? You bet your ass I would. In a heartbeat. I would approve more than that. It works. If it doesn’t work, they deserve it anyway for what they do to us”.

"Some people say it's not actually torture - let's assume it is. "But they asked me the question: 'What are you going to do on waterboarding?' Absolutely fine, but we should go much stronger than waterboarding. That's the way I feel."

Sounds like Trump was pretty interested in waterboarding before you guys elected him. Just another unkept 'promise'? 

Oh and BTFW, Gina Haspel, the new CIA Director had a direct involvement in the "Waterboarding" program.

Trump's CIA Director...

Nope. It was the radical Obama who politicized just every agency of government. (Hoover & co were not politicized. They acted on their own).

You said weaponized, NOT politicized Vic. Defecting again.  

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
1.2.47  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @1.2.1    3 weeks ago
Promises made.  Promises kept.

They kept one.  I wouldn't exactly call that success.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
1.2.48  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dulay @1.2.46    3 weeks ago
Do you think that repeating the same lies ad nauseam makes them any less lies Vic? 

That's why I posted the link, which you have avoided like the plague.

it's pretty fucking clear that waterboarding IS defined as torture AND war crimes. 

Actually it's not, particularly the version which the CIA used to garner valuable information. It was a judgement call by the US government.

Sounds like Trump was pretty interested in waterboarding before you guys elected him. Just another unkept 'promise'? 

Sorry, he never ordered the CIA to reinstate "waterboarding.' You know what he was thinking though. It's not surprising that you would attempt to smear Trump with "waterboarding." For other progressives it would be a new low.

Trump's CIA Director...

His choice. He never really had a chance to have good solid lists of prospective candidates when he came to Washington DC. The never Trump establishment Republicans didn't want to serve him in the beginning. Let's hope Haspel can be trusted, though I doubt it.

You said weaponized, NOT politicized Vic.

I know. I'm saying both.

Defecting again.  

That's part of your routine.

 
 
 
Dulay
1.2.49  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2.48    3 weeks ago
That's why I posted the link, which you have avoided like the plague.

Yet you've yet to post ANYTHING that prove what you claimed. Obama NEVER prosecuted a whistleblower as defined by the Whistleblower Protection Act. PERIOD, full stop. 

Actually it's not, particularly the version which the CIA used to garner valuable information.

Bullshit. 

It was a judgement call by the US government.

It was poor judgement by an out of control government. 

Sorry, he never ordered the CIA to reinstate "waterboarding.'

Of course you are. 

You know what he was thinking though. It's not surprising that you would attempt to smear Trump with "waterboarding." For other progressives it would be a new low.

I'm just posting Trump's own words. If that 'smears' him, it's on him. 

His choice. He never really had a chance to have good solid lists of prospective candidates when he came to Washington DC. The never Trump establishment Republicans didn't want to serve him in the beginning. Let's hope Haspel can be trusted, though I doubt it.

Wow, you're dissing Pompeo [among many others] pretty bad there Vic. 

I know. I'm saying both.

Sure you are Vic. 

That's part of your routine.

Of late, yours seems to be 'I'm rubber, you're glue'. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
1.2.50  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dulay @1.2.49    3 weeks ago
Yet you've yet to post ANYTHING that prove what you claimed. Obama NEVER prosecuted a whistleblower as defined by the Whistleblower Protection Act. PERIOD, full stop. 

I certainly did. And BTW those whistleblowers had first hand knowledge, which was the rule before the lefties changed it so the current WB could qualify!


Bullshit. 

That's not really a defense. I thought that by now you'd have a section of the Geneva Convention covering the specific definition of "waterboarding."


It was poor judgement by an out of control government. 

Which? The decision by the CIA to use the new version of Waterboarding or the decision by lefties in government to declare torture?


Of course you are. 

Fortunately for the progressives, I'm not the President.


I'm just posting Trump's own words.

No, you are doing more than that. This President dosen't belong in a conversation about Waterboarding. Only the President who approved it - George W Bush and the one who declared it "torture", our own radical-in-chief Barak Obama.


Wow, you're dissing Pompeo [among many others] pretty bad there Vic.

I'm not dissing Pompeo. You have forgotten the days of the transition, when Donald Trump had trouble getting any veteran establishment State Department professionals willing to serve him. Pompeo wasn't Trump's first Secretary of State - It was a business acquaintance, remember? Someone who had no experience at the State Department. And when the President elect was asked about his foreign policy advisers, you may recall, Trump in a rare moment of nervousness replied with two names nobody was very familiar with - George Papadopoulos and Carter Page. From that moment on the media began their treachery against both.....and the rest is history.


Of late, yours seems to be 'I'm rubber, you're glue'. 

The only "glue" seems to be mine and I will refrain from adding the rest of that.

 
 
 
Dulay
1.2.51  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2.50    3 weeks ago
I certainly did.

The link you posted refutes your own claim Vic. 

And BTW those whistleblowers had first hand knowledge, which was the rule before the lefties changed it so the current WB could qualify!

No rule has been changed Vic. That bullshit has been debunked here multiple times, why repeat it? 

That's not really a defense. I thought that by now you'd have a section of the Geneva Convention covering the specific definition of "waterboarding."

Actually, it's all the 'defense' that I need to combat 'Nuh uh'. 

Which? The decision by the CIA to use the new version of Waterboarding or the decision by lefties in government to declare torture?

First of all, the CIA didn't use a 'new version of Waterboarding'. There is no 'new version' of dumping water into the mouth and nose of a bound captive to simulate drowning Vic. 

Secondly, it wasn't the CIA's call. Bush ordered the OLC to give him cover and they complied with the order. 

Fortunately for the progressives, I'm not the President.

Why? Under a Vic Presidency, would merely being a progressive qualify one for waterboarding? 

No, you are doing more than that.

Nope, I quoted Trump verbatim. Sure, you can say Trump's own words implied that he would do more but his sycophants have accepted his inaction on this matter. 

This President dosen't belong in a conversation about Waterboarding. Only the President who approved it - George W Bush and the one who declared it "torture", our own radical-in-chief Barak Obama.

Why not? Trump made promises he hasn't kept. 

Oh wait, I almost forgot. Trump's promises don't matter because IOKIYAR. 

I'm not dissing Pompeo. You have forgotten the days of the transition, when Donald Trump had trouble getting any veteran establishment State Department professionals willing to serve him.

Blah, blah, blah. 

I suppose that would be relevant if we were taking about the State Dept. but since we were taking about the CIA, it's just more deflection. 

 
 
 
Dulay
1.3  Dulay  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @1    2 weeks ago

Sister, there has been a NEW release of the same documents which are NOT redacted nearly as much as the first  traunch. Here is an article about the newly unredacted information. 

https://www.justsecurity.org/67863/exclusive-unredacted-ukraine-documents-reveal-extent-of-pentagons-legal-concerns/

The facts exposed are FAR worse than previously known and the DOJ has NO excuse for redacting what they did. 

 
 
 
The People's Fish
2  The People's Fish    4 weeks ago

Can we get a flow chart? That worked out so well during the Russia hoax.

The only quid pro quo that took place in the Ukraine can be heard on Joe Biden's confession tape. The whole impeachment scam was nothing but cover for Crooked Joe Biden who will be the likely nominee. Once again the ridiculous house of cards will fall.

Democrats hired foreign agents to medal in the 2016 election and got caught. John Durham recently flipped the former head of the NSA and he is singing. No amount of spin is going sway the electorate. Obama administration started spying on the Trump campaign well before crossfire hurricane. Its the biggest scandal in US history.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2.1  JohnRussell  replied to  The People's Fish @2    4 weeks ago

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JohnRussell
2.1.1  JohnRussell  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1    4 weeks ago

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Dulay
2.2  Dulay  replied to  The People's Fish @2    4 weeks ago

My vote for the most delusional comment of the day. 

 
 
 
The People's Fish
2.2.1  The People's Fish  replied to  Dulay @2.2    4 weeks ago

I was right about the Mueller report and the IG report. You were wrong.

I'm right about this and you will be wrong.

 
 
 
bugsy
2.2.2  bugsy  replied to  Dulay @2.2    4 weeks ago

Which part, and why?

Be specific.

Hint: Your feeeeeelings don't count.

 
 
 
The People's Fish
2.2.3  The People's Fish  replied to  bugsy @2.2.2    4 weeks ago

This has been very difficult on the democratic voter.

Once Durham starts rolling out indictments they know their party will be dead for a good 10 years.

The media is trying to soften the news but it's about to hit them like a ton of bricks.

The Obama administration will go down as the most criminal administration in our history. 

Get the defibrillators ready!

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2.2.4  JohnRussell  replied to  The People's Fish @2.2.3    4 weeks ago

You are gaslighting the forum, as usual. 

 
 
 
The People's Fish
2.2.5  The People's Fish  replied to  JohnRussell @2.2.4    4 weeks ago

I know you don't want to believe it but it's fact. Adam Schiff has been completely debunked. The Russia hoax debunked. Every thing you've said for three years disproved. Your media lied to you for so long we naturally should patiently wait for you to catch up.

Indictments are nearing. When they cone please read them and pay attention.

What the Obama administration did was wrong and we need to make sure it never happens again, even to Democrats.

 
 
 
lib50
2.2.6  lib50  replied to  The People's Fish @2.2.5    4 weeks ago

Oh, man are you in for another letdown. 

 
 
 
loki12
2.2.7  loki12  replied to  lib50 @2.2.6    4 weeks ago

You mean like losing the presidency and senate seats in the midterms?   Liberals projecting the absolute failure of their party onto others never loses its humor

 
 
 
lib50
2.2.8  lib50  replied to  loki12 @2.2.7    4 weeks ago

I wasn't talking about the election.  We will see if 2018 is repeated or 2016.  But not one of those gop conspiracy scandals have worked out for them.  A few mistakes in a fisa process is not whatever you are trying to make it into.  Remember, what is now acceptable to conservatives goes far beyond errors.  That corruption you are all trying to imply just isn't there.  Obama didn't spy on Trump.  Fish keeps trying to gaslight what both reports actually say.  Trump is still IMPOTUS and a Russian asset, as are a lot of conservatives who keep pushing that Putin propaganda defending Trump. 

I'm still laughing at the number of times I'm seeing republicans projecting projection. 

 
 
 
loki12
2.2.9  loki12  replied to  lib50 @2.2.8    4 weeks ago

Projection!

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1stwarrior
2.2.10  1stwarrior  replied to  lib50 @2.2.8    4 weeks ago

A FEW mistakes????  How 'bout 17 OUT RIGHT LIES.  You guys got your hands caught in the cookie jar - and momma ain't just gonna use the hickory switch on you.

 
 
 
Dulay
2.2.11  Dulay  replied to  The People's Fish @2.2.1    4 weeks ago
You were wrong.

Since I never made a fucking prediction on either, that's impossible. 

I'm right about this and you will be wrong.

Nope, since that is my vote, I'm right that is my vote. 

 
 
 
Dulay
2.2.12  Dulay  replied to  bugsy @2.2.2    4 weeks ago
Which part, and why? Be specific.

All of it. 

There is no 'confession tape'. 

I don't even ask BF to supply proof of anything since it's a waste of time. 

Specific enough? 

 
 
 
Ronin2
2.2.13  Ronin2  replied to  Dulay @2.2.12    4 weeks ago
There is no 'confession tape'. 

If you mean by Biden, then you aren't following the news at all. Biden fucking bragged about extorting Ukraine to get the firing of Ukrainian lead prosecutor. Just so happens the prosecutor was investigating the company his son has taken millions from while being on the board. 

Biden even threw Obama under the bus during it.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2019/09/27/flashback_2018_joe_biden_brags_at_cfr_meeting_about_withholding_aid_to_ukraine_to_force_firing_of_prosecutor.html

Well "son of a bitch" to use Joe's own words, Biden is as corrupt as shit!

 
 
 
katrix
2.2.14  katrix  replied to  Ronin2 @2.2.13    4 weeks ago
then you aren't following the news at all

I follow REAL news, not the fake news crap that you're apparently reading. Biden wanted his removal because he was corrupt. It was the official position of our government; Biden was not going rogue. Other Western countries also supported the removal of the prosecutor due to his unwillingness to address corruption. And the investigation into the company wasn't apparently even ongoing at that time.

But nice try spreading right wing lies.

 
 
 
Ronin2
2.2.15  Ronin2  replied to  katrix @2.2.14    4 weeks ago

Had nothing to do with the fact he was investigating the company his son was on the board of./S

Not even the Obama state department believed that.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/state-department-official-raised-concerns-in-2015-over-hunter-biden-11571407543

A career State Department official told congressional investigators this week that he raised concerns in 2015 with a senior official at the White House about then-Vice President Joe Biden’s son being on the board of a Ukrainian natural-gas company because of concerns about the potential optics of a conflict of interest, a person familiar with the matter said.

The State Department official, Deputy Assistant Secretary of State George Kent, told lawmakers behind closed doors on Tuesday that he raised the issue in January 2015 and expressed reservations about Hunter Biden’s position at Burisma Holdings because it could add to the challenges to convey to Ukraine the importance of cleaning up corruption and avoiding even potential conflicts of interest, this person said.

“Regardless of whether anything is wrong, it looks terrible,” Mr. Kent told lawmakers that he told the official who worked in Mr. Biden’s office at the time, the person said. Mr. Kent was informed that the vice president at the time didn’t have the “bandwidth” to deal with the matter in part because his other son, Beau, was under treatment for cancer that later in the year would take his life, the person said. The Washington Post earlier reported on Mr. Kent’s concerns.

Mr. Kent, described by people who witnessed his testimony this week as a straightforward diplomat who gave precise details, told lawmakers he worried that officials in Kyiv would possibly consider the younger Mr. Biden as someone who could curry influence with his father, the person said.

Mr. Kent’s testimony this week was part of the congressional impeachment inquiry focused on President Trump’s actions with Ukraine as he pressed for investigations into Joe Biden, who is seeking the Democratic presidential nomination, and Hunter Biden. The revelation that Mr. Kent had expressed concern in 2015 is likely to put the Bidens’ dealings in Ukraine back into the spotlight.

But don't let a little thing like facts stand in the way.

Part of me really wants Joe to win the election. Then we might get to see the Dems get their most fervent wish, a President getting impeached before they take office.

 
 
 
lib50
2.2.16  lib50  replied to  Ronin2 @2.2.13    4 weeks ago

More repetition of bullshit!  Biden wasn't doing his personal agenda.  He was carrying out US policy.   Can't stop puking those gop lies,   I guess its hard to stop lying when you keep repeating those lying republican lies.  If you are repeating Kevin McCarthy, you are lying.

 
 
 
katrix
2.2.17  katrix  replied to  lib50 @2.2.16    4 weeks ago

If a person only gets their news from Fox, they're clearly not interested in facts. But the lies are disgusting. The GOP has reduced itself to the party of misinformation and outright lies, since the facts don't tell the story they want them to tell.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
2.2.18  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  lib50 @2.2.16    4 weeks ago
He was carrying out US policy.

So US policy was quid pro quo? Glad we got rid of that. /s Fact remains, he withheld funds.

 
 
 
katrix
2.2.19  katrix  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @2.2.18    4 weeks ago
Fact remains, he withheld funds.

As part of normal US policy. Trump, on the other hand, withheld funds for his own personal gain. Can you truly not tell the difference?

 
 
 
Dulay
2.2.20  Dulay  replied to  Ronin2 @2.2.13    4 weeks ago
Just so happens the prosecutor was investigating the company his son has taken millions from while being on the board.

That is a lie and you and your fellow travelers repeating it ad nauseam is gaslighting. 

 
 
 
katrix
2.2.21  katrix  replied to  Dulay @2.2.20    4 weeks ago

The gaslighting is never ending. It amazes me how gullible some people are. But then, that's what they WANT to believe ... so they avoid actual facts.

 
 
 
The People's Fish
2.2.22  The People's Fish  replied to  Dulay @2.2.20    4 weeks ago

You've been gaslighting the Russia Hoax since your arrival here. It's a not so clever technique to blame those whom you disagree with of doing the same thing.

It's what impeachment was all about. Quid Pro Joe admits on video to Quid Pro Quo and so it goes.

 
 
 
MUVA
2.2.23  MUVA  replied to  The People's Fish @2.2.22    4 weeks ago

A lot of people misuse gaslighting to being with just like irony,hypocrisy, and obtuse the hall of fame of misused words the minute you hear Fredo utter a word 20 minutes later you hear it here.

 
 
 
Dulay
2.2.24  Dulay  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @2.2.18    4 weeks ago
So US policy was quid pro quo?

Not WAS, IS. 

Glad we got rid of that. /s

'WE' didn't and Mulvaney insisted that 'we' get over it. 

Fact remains, he withheld funds.

The VP has NO authority to withhold a fucking thing. Ask Pence. 

 
 
 
The People's Fish
2.2.25  The People's Fish  replied to  MUVA @2.2.23    4 weeks ago

Yes we do have a few sealions here that can't seem to really understand the term.

 
 
 
Dulay
2.2.26  Dulay  replied to  The People's Fish @2.2.22    4 weeks ago
You've been gaslighting the Russia Hoax since your arrival here.

That's bullshit BF and a personal attack. Well done 'the people's fish'.

It's a not so clever technique to blame those whom you disagree with of doing the same thing.

Yet you proceed. 

It's what impeachment was all about.

Totally obtuse. 

Quid Pro Joe admits on video to Quid Pro Quo and so it goes.

What are you alleging that Biden confessed to BF? 

What illegality did Biden describe in that video is being 'covered up'? 

Be SPECIFIC and provide links to support your allegations. 

Oh WAIT! My bad. I almost forgot who I was replying to.

No worries, I won't even bother with the crickets...

 
 
 
The People's Fish
2.2.27  The People's Fish  replied to  Dulay @2.2.26    4 weeks ago

He admits he threatened to hold up a Billion if Ukraine didn't fire the prosecutor who was investigating Burisma. As much as I'd like to have you listen to an hour, please fast forward to 51:40. This is quid pro quo.

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JohnRussell
2.2.28  JohnRussell  replied to  Dulay @2.2.26    4 weeks ago
That's bullshit BF and a personal attack. Well done 'the people's fish'.

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All this current bamboozling is all to benefit Trump. There was no "Russia hoax". The term is an invention of right wingers and anarchists and libertarians.  The IG report mentions nothing about a "hoax".

 Trump campaign associates had a bizarre number of personal contacts with Russians at the same time Trump was asking Russia to hack Hillary's emails. Of course it was investigated, it would have been dereliction of duty by the FBI and the IC if they hadnt investigated it. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
2.2.29  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @2.2.28    4 weeks ago

Do y'all need a tissue or two?

Please QUOTE Trump ASKING RUSSIA TO HACK HILLARY'S EMAILS--AS YOU CLAIM.

Bet you can't!

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2.2.30  JohnRussell  replied to  Texan1211 @2.2.29    4 weeks ago

Some people understand subtext, perhaps you are not one of them. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
2.2.31  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @2.2.30    4 weeks ago

And some people claim wild shit that they refuse to or are completely unable to back up with facts.

Like your bogus claim that Trump asked Russia to hack her emails.

WTF was Russia going to do when the FBI had already gone through her computer?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2.2.32  JohnRussell  replied to  Texan1211 @2.2.31    4 weeks ago

Texan , hours after Trump asked them that day from that stage, Russians DID try to hack into Hillary's computer system.  Hours after. 

I dont know why you continue day after day, week after week, with such futile arguments.  You act as if people dont know what happened. Just speak for yourself regarding that, ok? 

 
 
 
Texan1211
2.2.33  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @2.2.32    4 weeks ago

The FBI had already seized her private server by that time.

No way her 33000 deleted emails were on her NEW server. 

Figure it out, dude!

Please don't tell me you really are this gullible.

 
 
 
The People's Fish
2.2.34  The People's Fish  replied to  JohnRussell @2.2.28    4 weeks ago
All this current bamboozling is all to benefit Trump. There was no "Russia hoax".

Well that has been proven false. You can't handle the truth because it is not good for your political party. Biggest scandal in modern history and it's leaking out well before the 2020 election and you know what that means. That is the only reason why you continue to promote the conspiracy theory.

It would have been smarter to look for campaign finance violations than to take the country on a magical Russian hoax ride and spend a ton of money on a hoax when those investigating knew it was a hoax. I'm sure the tax payers are going to express themselves in 2020. Wonder what we could have done with the money? Maybe we could have housed some homeless of fed some starving people.

 
 
 
Texan1211
2.2.35  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @2.2.32    4 weeks ago

BTFW, still waiting on your Trump quote proving the bogus nonsense you claimed earlier.

where is it again?

 
 
 
The People's Fish
2.2.36  The People's Fish  replied to  Texan1211 @2.2.35    4 weeks ago

Que the usual response, an angry snort....but Russia!

 
 
 
MUVA
2.2.37  MUVA  replied to  The People's Fish @2.2.34    4 weeks ago

Some people could care less about Trump it's their fellow citizen they loathe Trump is just the vehicle for their hate of their fellow citizens.I find the only place you see the Russia hoax theorist is on the internet. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2.2.38  JohnRussell  replied to  The People's Fish @2.2.34    4 weeks ago

Some people who like to promote fake news and conspiracy theories are drawn to an election year like flies to dog doo. 

I am afraid that NT is not ready for the pro-Trump bamboozlpalooza that is coming. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
2.2.39  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @2.2.38    4 weeks ago

Fake news and conspiracy theories like Trump colluding with Russia?

LMMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!

 
 
 
The People's Fish
2.2.40  The People's Fish  replied to  Texan1211 @2.2.39    4 weeks ago

Next up, the moon landing was fake, breaking news CNN. Then we will hear it for years on the forum.

Notice the Labor party tried to blame Russia for the UK election. Too funny, wonder where they got that idea?  American Russian Hoax humpers spreading joy across the pond.

Maybe just maybe the voters just don't want you and Russia bought a facebook ad or two. Not like we've never done that? LOL I'm of the opinion a pepe the frog meme cost hillary the election.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2.2.41  JohnRussell  replied to  Texan1211 @2.2.39    4 weeks ago

BF is already testing some of his fake news to see if he can get any nibbles. 

 
 
 
The People's Fish
2.2.42  The People's Fish  replied to  JohnRussell @2.2.41    4 weeks ago

John I can never replace the 3 years of fake news you seeded with a couple of nibbles. Wait a few months and we will read indictments together on this forum regarding that hoax.

Durham flipped the former head of the NSA. He is spilling the beans. This isn't going to be pretty.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2.2.43  JohnRussell  replied to  The People's Fish @2.2.42    4 weeks ago

BF , you once posted a forged letter allegedly from Hillary Clinton's doctor saying that she was riddled with diseases and medically unfit to serve as president. 

You didnt post that fake news as satire, you posted it as "news and politics". 

The people who have been here long enough know what you like to do. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
2.2.44  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @2.2.41    4 weeks ago

Would that be anything like you claiming something and then failing to prove it?

or promoting the Russia/Trump collusion hoax for 3 years?

 
 
 
Dulay
2.2.45  Dulay  replied to  The People's Fish @2.2.27    4 weeks ago
He admits he threatened to hold up a Billion if Ukraine didn't fire the prosecutor who was investigating Burisma.

There is NO evidence that Shorkin was investigating Burisma in 2015-2016. 

Secondly, Burisma HAD been investigated for actions that were taken BEFORE Hunter Biden joined the board by both Ukraine and the UK. 

You can't refute either of those statements because they are the TRUTH. 

Oh and do you notice that Biden says in the video that the Ukrainians doubted that he had the authority when he said that the US would hold the loan guarantee and he told them to call Obama. So Biden was obviously acting with Obama's authority.

I'm pretty sure that Pence will be using the excuse of acting under Trump's authority in the near future. 

Perhaps you can explain why you and your fellow travelers are whining about Biden's quid pro quo but defending Trump's? If Biden's was 'corrupt' so was Trump's. Or are you trying to insist that I accept overt hypocrisy? 

 
 
 
Dulay
2.2.46  Dulay  replied to  The People's Fish @2.2.42    4 weeks ago
John I can never replace the 3 years of fake news you seeded with a couple of nibbles.

Which relinquishes you of personal responsibility for your false comments HOW? 

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
2.2.47  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  1stwarrior @2.2.10    4 weeks ago

17 vs the thousands Trump has told?  His tiny hand is so far in the jar that it is up to his armpit.

 
 
 
Dulay
2.2.48  Dulay  replied to  The People's Fish @2.2.34    4 weeks ago

More BS blather. The Mueller investigation made a PROFIT in the millions. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
2.2.49  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dulay @2.2.48    3 weeks ago

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Vic Eldred
2.2.50  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dulay @2.2.48    3 weeks ago

Since you get to call the points of others "Bullshit", while others have their responses deleted, I'm going to have to exercise one of the rights I have here. I'm placing you on my ignore list. You have lost the privilege of discussion with me.

 
 
 
Dulay
2.2.51  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.2.50    3 weeks ago
Since you get to call the points of others "Bullshit", while others have their responses deleted, I'm going to have to exercise one of the rights I have here.

You have the same rights as I do. Your inability to post a comment within those rights is on you. 

I'm placing you on my ignore list. You have lost the privilege of discussion with me.

You don't know how that breaks my heart Vic. /s

Note that I will still see your comments and seeds and will continue to exercise MY right to comment on them. No worries, I won't miss your 'last word' jabs just before you lock your seed. 

 
 
 
Dulay
2.2.52  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @2.2.33    2 weeks ago
The FBI had already seized her private server by that time.

False. The FBI NEVER 'seized' Clinton's private server. 

FAIL. 

 
 
 
Dulay
2.2.54  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @2.2.53    2 weeks ago

It is pretty laughable that you seem to think that 'turn over' equates to 'seize'. 

Your own links state that Clinton 'turned over' or 'handed over' the server to the FBI. 

Pathetic...

 
 
 
Texan1211
2.2.55  Texan1211  replied to  Dulay @2.2.54    2 weeks ago

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Tessylo
2.2.56  Tessylo  replied to  Dulay @2.2.51    2 weeks ago
'Since you get to call the points of others "Bullshit", while others have their responses deleted, I'm going to have to exercise one of the rights I have here.'

'You have the same rights as I do. Your inability to post a comment within those rights is on you.'

'I'm placing you on my ignore list. You have lost the privilege of discussion with me.'

'You don't know how that breaks my heart Vic. /s'

'Note that I will still see your comments and seeds and will continue to exercise MY right to comment on them. No worries, I won't miss your 'last word' jabs just before you lock your seed.'

jrSmiley_91_smiley_image.gif Privilege?

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Tessylo
2.2.57  Tessylo  replied to  Dulay @2.2.54    2 weeks ago

Funny how their links never seem to support what they say.  

 
 
 
Dulay
2.2.58  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @2.2.55    2 weeks ago

Exactly. Your posting links that refute your own BS claims makes no sense at all. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
2.2.59  Texan1211  replied to  Dulay @2.2.58    2 weeks ago

Aren't you "seeing my posts but ignoring them" anymore?

life was so good for a month or so!

 
 
 
Texan1211
2.2.60  Texan1211  replied to  Tessylo @2.2.57    2 weeks ago

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It Is ME
2.2.61  It Is ME  replied to  Texan1211 @2.2.60    2 weeks ago

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Sparty On
2.2.62  Sparty On  replied to  Dulay @2.2.54    2 weeks ago

Actually what's really pathetic is that you appear to think that it makes a difference if they were "seized" or turned over.

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It Is ME
2.2.63  It Is ME  replied to  It Is ME @2.2.61    2 weeks ago

"mimicry is said to be the best form of flattery" !

So I've been told anyway !

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
2.2.64  igknorantzrulz  replied to  It Is ME @2.2.63    2 weeks ago

So I've been told anyway !

who told you, it is me ?

 
 
 
Dulay
2.2.65  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @2.2.59    2 weeks ago
Aren't you "seeing my posts but ignoring them" anymore?

Obviously not. 

life was so good for a month or so!

Why did you whine about it then? 

 
 
 
It Is ME
2.2.66  It Is ME  replied to  igknorantzrulz @2.2.64    2 weeks ago
who told you, it is me ?

Mr. Colton of course ! jrSmiley_80_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Dulay
2.2.67  Dulay  replied to  Sparty On @2.2.62    2 weeks ago
Actually what's really pathetic is that you appear to think that it makes a difference if they were "seized" or turned over.

Actually, what's really pathetic is the you don't think that there is a difference. 

Here, let me see if I can help. 

The summary of Trump's phone call with Zelensky was seized by the House Intel Committee. 

That isn't true but hey, you appear to think it doesn't make a difference.

 
 
 
Sparty On
2.2.68  Sparty On  replied to  Dulay @2.2.67    2 weeks ago

Nah, your attempts to obfuscate here is the truly pathetic thing but I just remembered you love to argue just for the sake of arguing.  

That's your thing so do your thing Dulay.

Carry on!   

 
 
 
Texan1211
2.2.69  Texan1211  replied to  Sparty On @2.2.68    2 weeks ago

Nail---head!

 
 
 
Split Personality
2.2.70  Split Personality  replied to  Sparty On @2.2.68    2 weeks ago

That's funny coming from you.

 
 
 
Split Personality
2.2.71  Split Personality  replied to  Texan1211 @2.2.69    2 weeks ago

Absolutely hysterical, coming from you too.

 
 
 
Split Personality
3  Split Personality    2 weeks ago

Ok folks, since SMAAB is not available

and y'all can't seem to talk about the topic,

just each other,

this is locked.

 
 
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