Bloomberg Used Prison Labor To Make 2020 Campaign Phone Calls

  
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Bloomberg Used Prison Labor To Make 2020 Campaign Phone Calls

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Via The Intercept:


FORMER NEW YORK CITY mayor and multibillionaire Democratic presidential candidate Mike Bloomberg used prison labor to make campaign calls. Through a third-party vendor, the Mike Bloomberg 2020 campaign contracted New Jersey-based call center company ProCom, which runs calls centers in New Jersey and Oklahoma. Two of the call centers in Oklahoma are operated out of state prisons. In at least one of the two prisons, incarcerated people were contracted to make calls on behalf of the Bloomberg campaign.

According to a source, who asked for anonymity for fear of retribution, people incarcerated at the Dr. Eddie Warrior Correctional Center, a minimum-security women’s prison with a capacity of more than 900, were making calls to California on behalf of Bloomberg. The people were required to end their calls by disclosing that the calls were paid for by the Bloomberg campaign. They did not disclose, however, that they were calling from behind bars.

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The People's Fish
1  seeder  The People's Fish    4 weeks ago

While the rest of the wealthy elite Democrats debate wine caves Bloomberg was busy using slave labor.

Maybe a Kamala VP since she put them in prison so the wealthiest candidate could save a few bucks.

BLOOMBERG/HARRIS 2020

Democrats finally introduce their jobs program.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
1.1  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  The People's Fish @1    4 weeks ago

Slave labor, LOLOLOLOLOL

They are in prison. Prisoners repay their debt to society by doing work. Hardly slave labor. They even get paid. 

Cheap shots at the dems ... 

 
 
 
KDMichigan
1.1.1  KDMichigan  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @1.1    4 weeks ago
Cheap shots at the dems ... 

I don't see how it is a cheap shot at the Dems when it is the Dems that fight against prisoners doing community/state work being paid sub par wages, Now that A Dem is caught using prison labor it is a cheap shot....

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Citizen Kane-473667
1.1.2  Citizen Kane-473667  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @1.1    4 weeks ago

It is still slavery.  A lot of people don't realize how bad it really is:

Some viewers of the video might be surprised to learn that inmates at Angola, once cleared by the prison doctor, can be forced to work under threat of punishment as severe as solitary confinement. Legally, this labor may be totally uncompensated; more typically inmates are paid meagerly—as little as two cents per hour—for their full-time work in the fields, manufacturing warehouses, or kitchens. How is this legal? Didn’t the Thirteenth Amendment abolish all forms of slavery and involuntary servitude in this country?

...

More than a century later, our prison labor system has only grown. We now incarcerate more than 2.2 million people, with the largest prison population in the world, and the second highest incarceration rate per capita. Our prison populations remain racially skewed. With few exceptions, inmates are required to work if cleared by medical professionals at the prison. Punishments for refusing to do so include solitary confinement, loss of earned good time, and revocation of family visitation. For this forced labor, prisoners earn pennies per hour, if anything at all.

Angola is not the exception; it is the rule.
 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
1.1.3  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Citizen Kane-473667 @1.1.2    4 weeks ago

They are in prison for a reason. Now while I agree that justice is not equal, I do feel that those imprisoned are owed 3 meals a day and safety from other prisoners. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
1.1.4  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  KDMichigan @1.1.1    4 weeks ago

Again, they are in prison for a reason. Most of you Republicans who are now having faux outrage at this would have been screaming "Lock her up", while a lot of these prisoners are doing crime for violent acts. Try again.

 
 
 
The People's Fish
1.1.5  seeder  The People's Fish  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @1.1.4    4 weeks ago

They aren't in prison to help a billionaire become president on the cheap.

Maybe he should try to find some actual supporters to volunteer but that won't be easy. No one in the media can find an actual Bloomberg supporter.

If you come out publicly they will probably have you on 60 minutes. We finally found a supporter Sunday in 60 min.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
1.1.6  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  The People's Fish @1.1.5    4 weeks ago

You need to check out twitter. He has a lot of supporters already out doing calls. 

and according to your article:

The Bloomberg campaign confirmed the arrangement in an emailed statement to The Intercept. “We didn’t know about this and we never would have allowed it if we had,” said Bloomberg spokesperson Julie Wood. “We don’t believe in this practice and we’ve now ended our relationship with the subcontractor in question.”

 
 
 
The People's Fish
1.1.7  seeder  The People's Fish  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @1.1.6    4 weeks ago

Twitter? 

Probably from inmates with cell phones.

 
 
 
KDMichigan
1.1.8  KDMichigan  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @1.1.4    4 weeks ago
Most of you Republicans

Try again, you know better

are now having faux outrage

No faux outrage I'm laughing at the hypocrisy. I believe in prison labor camps myself, It's not about 3 hots and a cot. 

If there was no foul why did Bloomberg drop them?

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Perrie Halpern R.A.
1.1.9  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  The People's Fish @1.1.7    4 weeks ago

I highly doubt that... not everyone can get twitter accounts anymore. jrSmiley_7_smiley_image.png

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
1.1.10  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  KDMichigan @1.1.8    4 weeks ago
Most of you Republicans Try again, you know better

Really? I imagined all those chants of "Lock her up". I think not.

If there was no foul why did Bloomberg drop them?

Because as the article pointed out, maybe he didn't know.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
1.1.11  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @1.1.4    4 weeks ago

I do not see it as slalve labor using prison inmates, but I do see it as Bloomberg being too cheap to pay regular staff acceptable wages like others and paying prison inmates a fraction of what he would pay regular staff. Some would see that as a business move, but I just see it as cheap. It's not like he cannot afford it.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
1.1.12  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @1.1.11    4 weeks ago

Ed, did you read the article. He said he didn't know. And since when do people contract work in the US for the highest price? At least he wasn't making ties in China like Trump did. 

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
1.1.13  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @1.1.12    4 weeks ago

I read the article in a hurry and obviously missed that. I thank you for clarifying it for me. I did not say anything about contracting for highest wages, I merely used the term acceptable wages. A very Merry Christmas to you.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
1.1.14  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @1.1.13    4 weeks ago

And a Merry Christmas to you, too Ed. 

 
 
 
The People's Fish
1.1.15  seeder  The People's Fish  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @1.1.9    4 weeks ago

Hey.....

 
 
 
KDMichigan
1.1.16  KDMichigan  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @1.1.10    4 weeks ago
Really? I imagined all those chants of "Lock her up". I think not.

Really I was chanting "Lock her up"? 

Really I'm a Republican?

I got news for you, just because I don't spew daily proglib talking points like your democrat buddies do, that doesn't make me a Republican.

Seems to me the only people you disagree with are those that don't spew left wing talking points, so what does that make you?

 
 
 
Citizen Kane-473667
1.1.17  Citizen Kane-473667  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @1.1.4    4 weeks ago
Again, they are in prison for a reason.

Sorry, but waay too many are in  prison because of not having the money to mount a good defense, hire a lawyer, or for bullshit confessions obtained by cops or DA's . Until you've been on the receiving end of the inJustice system, you haven't seen the dark side of Lady Justice.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
1.1.18  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Citizen Kane-473667 @1.1.17    4 weeks ago

CK,

I commented about that earlier in the article and I totally agree with you about unequal justice. If we are talking about true prison reform, count me in. But this article is not about that, is it?

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
1.1.19  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  KDMichigan @1.1.16    4 weeks ago
Really I was chanting "Lock her up"? 

No. You just love to mock every dem there is. Am I wrong?

Really I'm a Republican?

Actually I don't know what you are for sure. You sure do seem to hate everything dem. 

I got news for you, just because I don't spew daily proglib talking points

See, terms like proglib that have led me to my opinion. I don't use terms like that to describe republicans and conservatives.

Seems to me the only people you disagree with are those that don't spew left wing talking points, so what does that make you?

Whoa there. What left wing talking points do I agree with? I never said "Not my president", never went on a pussy march, never wanted Trump brought up on impeachment.. so please tell me, what left wing talking points am I agreeing with?

 
 
 
Citizen Kane-473667
1.1.20  Citizen Kane-473667  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @1.1.18    4 weeks ago
But this article is not about that, is it?

Slave wages were brought up in the article:

John Scallan, a ProCom co-founder, said his company pays the Oklahoma minimum wage of $7.25 an hour to the Oklahoma Department of Corrections, which then pays the incarcerated people working in the call centers. The Department of Corrections website lists the maximum monthly wage for the incarcerated at $20 dollars a month, but another policy document says there is a maximum pay of $27.09 per month.

And you said they were prisoners for a reason ( a couple of times) and we both agree that some are there simply because of the inequalities of our Justice system.

I agree this is tangential on its face, but not when you consider that this "slave labor" is being forced upon innocent people wrongly serving time, which makes it even more egregious that the same legislators who are responsible for the atrocity in the first place by failing to provide for these victims with real Justice, are benefiting from their own injustice ! This makes this a horrible story! I don't care what Party they belong to, they should NOT be using prison labor for a damn thing when it comes to their personal gain!

He says he didn't know?  So that makes it okay??? Had it been illegal for a company using prison labor to provide services for politicians, this wouldn't happen. At least not without someone going to jail themselves.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
1.1.21  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Citizen Kane-473667 @1.1.20    4 weeks ago

When I said that is not what this article is about, I meant the agenda of the article. It was a gotchya article to Bloomberg. It was not about prison reform. 

but not when you consider that this "slave labor" is being forced upon innocent people wrongly serving time, which makes it even more egregious that the same legislators who are responsible for the atrocity in the first place by failing to provide for these victims with real Justice, are benefiting from their own injustice !

One of the reasons that I am against the death penalty is because of the failure of our system to provide proper defense to those who are poor and yes, there are people serving time who don't deserve it. But those who do, should be working to repay their debt to society. If we want to fix our system, it really needs to be top-bottom, which means proper justice in the courtroom. 

I don't care what Party they belong to, they should NOT be using prison labor for a damn thing when it comes to their personal gain!

Please read post # 11 . Our own government is doing it. It is not a party thing.

He says he didn't know?  So that makes it okay??? Had it been illegal for a company using prison labor to provide services for politicians, this wouldn't happen. At least not without someone going to jail themselves.

It means that he didn't know and if he did he would have made another choice. There are a lot of cogs in the a run for the presidency and you can't control every part. And I am don't think that this is an illegal practice given the facts of post # 11

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
1.1.22  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @1.1.21    4 weeks ago
It was a gotchya article to Bloomberg. It was not about prison reform

And the fact is, there is no evidence Bloomberg knew anything about the use of prisoners by a 3rd party company his campaign hired to do the calls.

I'm not a big fan of Bloomberg, but it's clear that the Bloomberg campaign did not intentionally use prison labor for their calls.

Prison labor is a hotly debated subject, but right now it's legal and does provide some benefits for those inmates. But that is an entirely different debate than whether Bloomberg would make a good President. The right wing attempt to use this as a smear against Bloomberg is just ignorant and sad since they have to rely on half truths and spurious implication in order to attack him. Why don't they complain about his actual policies? Why not focus on his support for stop and frisk? Why not attack him for being a billionaire out of touch with the average American? Because those are all things Republicans actually like and support. Aggressive policing of minorities, fiscal policies that help the top 1%, is against Medicare for all, is against increasing taxes to balance the budget, supports tax cuts for the wealthy. So I guess all they have to attack him on are sad misleading stories like the one above.

 
 
 
KDMichigan
1.1.23  KDMichigan  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @1.1.19    4 weeks ago
No. You just love to mock every dem there is. Am I wrong?

Yes you are.

Actually I don't know what you are for sure.

That didn't stop you from labeling me and claiming I chanted lock her up though did it?

See, terms like proglib that have led me to my opinion. 

Proglib...that would be a progressive liberal, I find it Hillaryious you find that offensive.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
1.1.24  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  KDMichigan @1.1.23    4 weeks ago

Look KD,

It's kind of like you are what you post, so any misconception we have about each other is from that. 

So you say you don't mock every dem out there. Who is one you like?

And no I don't find proglib offensive, just another dumb label,  but see.... you went right for the Hillaryious and you wonder where I would get the ideas that I do. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson#51
1.2  XXJefferson#51  replied to  The People's Fish @1    4 weeks ago

A NY-Ca ticket?  Mixed emotions. A duo from the 2 worst states in the country.  On the otherhand it would be easy to get an electoral college victory in all the states Trump won last time plus Minnesota and New Hampshire no matter how badly we lose the popular vote in those two states.  

 
 
 
Snuffy
2  Snuffy    4 weeks ago

I think this is a bit of a stretch. Won't vote for Bloomberg due to his policies on guns & soda and his promotion of the nanny state, but to blame him for the resources that a private company uses?  He hired / contracted with a private firm which happens to provide jobs for incarcerated prisoners. Not really a gotcha moment IMO.

 
 
 
XXJefferson#51
2.1  XXJefferson#51  replied to  Snuffy @2    4 weeks ago

I wouldn’t take a big gulp of the kool aid he’s offering either.  Bloomberg is the last person I’d consider voting for in the democrat clown car primaries.  

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
2.1.1  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  XXJefferson#51 @2.1    4 weeks ago

Oh please... like you would ever vote for a dem. At least he doesn't go around bragging about grabbing women's pussies, or talking about Megan Kelly as having blood coming out of her eyes and mouth. What a misogynist. 

 
 
 
Snuffy
2.1.2  Snuffy  replied to  XXJefferson#51 @2.1    4 weeks ago

yeah,  not sure I can call him the last option in that group running in the dem primaries...  I can think of a few who IMO rank lower than him on the scale. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
2.1.3  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Snuffy @2.1.2    4 weeks ago

There we agree Snuffy! 

 
 
 
XXJefferson#51
2.1.4  XXJefferson#51  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.1.1    4 weeks ago

He was a Republican and an independent whatever that meant to him. He’ll take our Big Gulps and our guns.  He’s an authoritarian wannabe dictator who wants to control our lives.  

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
2.1.5  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  XXJefferson#51 @2.1.4    4 weeks ago
He’s an authoritarian wannabe dictator who wants to control our lives.  

Trump! See we agree. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
2.1.6  TᵢG  replied to  XXJefferson#51 @2.1    4 weeks ago
Bloomberg is the last person I’d consider voting for in the democrat clown car primaries.  

Really?  jrSmiley_86_smiley_image.gif   ( and I never use that emoticon )

  • Bloomberg vs. Sanders?   (that 'socialist')
  • Bloomberg vs. Warren?    (that 'socialist' wanna be)
  • Bloomberg vs. Buttigieg?  (that ' abomination ' per God per you)

Bullshit.   Try again.

I suspect that you would vote for Biden over Bloomberg.    Maybe you should go with that.

 
 
 
XXJefferson#51
2.1.7  XXJefferson#51  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.1.5    4 weeks ago

Trump is anything but a dictator.  He’s draining the swamp and returning the power to the people and appointing federal judges of a like mind.  I had a lot of misgivings about Trump the last time around.  Didn’t even vote for him then.  Based on his actions and accomplishments since then, I will vote for him this time. The democrats have no one they will nominate that I could remotely be happy with as President.  I’m open as to 2024 based on who gets nominated then by each side but it’s gotta be Trump until then 

 
 
 
XXJefferson#51
2.1.8  XXJefferson#51  replied to  TᵢG @2.1.6    4 weeks ago

I meant what I said.  Sanders and Warren can be limited by an opposing house or two of congress.  Buttigieg is likely the least dangerous one economics wise.  I can’t stand the plagiarist but his advisors would be making his decisions and he’d likely be the first to trigger a 25th amendment crisis.  Gabbard or Yang would get my Ca primary vote if I were a democrat or independent. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
2.1.9  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  XXJefferson#51 @2.1.7    4 weeks ago
He’s draining the swamp

What does that mean? Just another catchy tagline, like 'Lock her up" 

and returning the power to the people and appointing federal judges of a like mind.

Which means that they are ideologues which means they are not judges at all.

Based on his actions and accomplishments since then, I will vote for him this time.

And it is exactly for those reasons I will not be voting for him.

 
 
 
XXJefferson#51
2.1.10  XXJefferson#51  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.1.9    4 weeks ago

Between Trump and any democrat running the choice is an easy one for me.  It’s Trump because of economics, taxes, regulations, energy independence, national defense, the wall, better trade deals, all those judges. So, why do you think that judges who are political conservatives are ideologues and not really judges at all? I think that the Alliance Defending Freedom and the Federalist Society are great places to recruit judges from and I’d like to thank Harry Reid for making this all possible for us. When the US Attorney from Connecticut is done with his criminal investigations we will all fully understand what the swamp really is and perhaps we may still with regard to the wicked witch Hillary, be able to lock 🔒 her up and throw away the key 🔑. 

 
 
 
Dean Moriarty
3  Dean Moriarty    4 weeks ago

I’ve never received a spam political call that made me want to vote for anyone. Hopefully this spam will backfire on him. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
4  Perrie Halpern R.A.    4 weeks ago

What a pile of BS. 

According to a source, who asked for anonymity for fear of retribution

Here, let me help you:

According to a BF, who asked for anonymity for fear of retribution from Perrie, posts crap wtihout any confirmation, to make sure that his beloved Trump will be re-elected. 

There, I fixed it.

 
 
 
The People's Fish
4.1  seeder  The People's Fish  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @4    4 weeks ago

It's from an award winning liberal website. 

Brush it off, put ointment on it and it will be ok.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
4.1.1  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  The People's Fish @4.1    4 weeks ago

Your award winning liberal website seems to have an issue with every dem running. They are not socialist enough apparently.

 
 
 
The People's Fish
4.1.2  seeder  The People's Fish  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @4.1.1    4 weeks ago

Actually they like everyone except the Republican neocon billionaire Bloomberg and drooling Joe.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
4.1.3  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  The People's Fish @4.1.2    4 weeks ago
Actually they like everyone except the Republican neocon billionaire Bloomberg and drooling Joe.

Actually they like socialist, which is what I read there. And please tell me why Bloomberg is a neo con or the need to mock Joe, when we have a President who has the need to tweet all night long? I guess you are OK with his lack of language skills, but not Joe's flubs. Kind of a double standard. 

 
 
 
The People's Fish
4.1.4  seeder  The People's Fish  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @4.1.3    4 weeks ago

Michael Bloomberg’s Right-Wing Views on Foreign Policy Make Him a Perfect Candidate for the Republican Nomination

https://theintercept.com/2019/11/25/michael-bloombergs-right-wing-views-on-foreign-policy-make-him-a-perfect-candidate-for-the-republican-nomination/?comments=1

Er um Neocon! I bet Dick Cheney has a Bloomberg yard sign in his yard.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
4.1.5  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  The People's Fish @4.1.4    4 weeks ago

May I remind you that the Intercept is so far left, that it makes Bernie seem like he's a Republican. So, sorry if I don't take it too seriously, especially when it comes to a guy that never made any foreign policy. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson#51
4.2  XXJefferson#51  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @4    4 weeks ago

Friedmann said that whether or not the Bloomberg campaign knew about the arrangement with ProCom, it was responsible. “It’s entirely possible they didn’t know,” Friedmann told me, “but that’s like saying department stores making clothes in southeast Asia don’t know that 5-year-olds are stitching together their soccer balls. Well, shouldn’t you know? Shouldn’t you have some idea of your supply stream, or what your downside supply stream is doing?”  https://theintercept.com/2019/12/24/mike-bloomberg-2020-prison-labor/

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
4.2.1  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  XXJefferson#51 @4.2    4 weeks ago

Says the guy who said almost daily "Lock her up". I am really amused at this faux outrage. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson#51
4.2.2  XXJefferson#51  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @4.2.1    4 weeks ago

Bloomberg and Hillary could be locked  up together.  Along with small minded Cuomo who vetoed a nearly unanimously passed bill allowing any federal judge to officiate a wedding because a Trump appointee might be among them.  Well Trump far better represented NEW YORK than he does.  Cuomo and the socialist mayor de Blasio successfully prodded Trump to move to Florida.  

 
 
 
The People's Fish
4.2.3  seeder  The People's Fish  replied to  XXJefferson#51 @4.2.2    4 weeks ago

I'd be afraid Hillary would buttrape lil mikey.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
4.2.4  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  The People's Fish @4.2.3    4 weeks ago

Another one who seems to have an issue with short men but not fat ones. Interesting.

Personally I'll take a short man with brains than a fat man living off his father's name.

btw.. the Hillary remark was really gross. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
4.2.5  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  XXJefferson#51 @4.2.2    4 weeks ago

Now that is funny. You call Cuomo small minded but  Trump's Christmas message was that him complaining about impeachment and that Nancy Pelosi is very mean. That's keeping the Holiday Spirit. Not small minded at all/ sarc.

 
 
 
XXJefferson#51
4.2.6  XXJefferson#51  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @4.2.5    4 weeks ago

That’s odd.  I actually seeded Trumps Christmas proclamation on the 25th and my memory of it is different.  As to impeachment, getting impeached by Nancy’s clown house of fools is a true badge of honor for him. There was a photo taken of Nancy and House Dems on a conservative site and everyone of them was from either NY or California.      The perfect foil for his campaign though to be fair two of Trumps best defenders were one each from those two states as well. Anyway I’m looking forward to Jan 9 when Trumps next campaign rally takes place.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson#51
4.2.7  XXJefferson#51  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @4.2.1    4 weeks ago

The author of the seeded article said all that? 

 
 
 
XDm9mm
4.3  XDm9mm  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @4    4 weeks ago
What a pile of BS. 
According to a source, who asked for anonymity for fear of retribution

My, my....   I wonder if the same was said about the "whistle-blower" that Shifty Schiff used?

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
4.3.1  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  XDm9mm @4.3    4 weeks ago

Wow. way to be off topic. 

 
 
 
Sparty On
4.3.2  Sparty On  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @4.3.1    4 weeks ago

Not really.  

You questioned the source which is a reasonable thing to do IMO but if its reasonable in this case, it's reasonable to do for Schiff's whistle-blower.

Very topical since you opened the door ....

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
4.3.3  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Sparty On @4.3.2    4 weeks ago
Very topical since you opened the door ....

OK, I am still confused about how I opened the door... Nothing about the article or the discussion is about Schiff.

 
 
 
The People's Fish
4.3.4  seeder  The People's Fish  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @4.3.3    4 weeks ago

Bloomberg used prison labor, Schiff should be part of that labor force. 

It works.....

jrSmiley_86_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
JohnRussell
4.3.5  JohnRussell  replied to  Sparty On @4.3.2    4 weeks ago

Sparty, how is the whistle blower's identity relevant to what Trump said to Zelensky? 

The fact is the whistleblower played his part and his role is over.

 
 
 
The People's Fish
4.3.6  seeder  The People's Fish  replied to  JohnRussell @4.3.5    4 weeks ago

The whistle blower sounded the alarm, corrupt joe was about to get exposed. The Schifft came up with an impeachment plan and colluded with the fake whistleblower.

Stay tuned on a different seed.

now let's get back on topic, the American Oligarch Bloomberg please.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
4.3.7  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  The People's Fish @4.3.4    4 weeks ago

LOL... now that is a stretch. Glad you found your comment to entertaining. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
4.3.8  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  The People's Fish @4.3.6    4 weeks ago
now let's get back on topic, the American Oligarch Bloomberg please.

More hyperbole. This isn't a discussion. It's a bad joke. 

 
 
 
The People's Fish
4.3.9  seeder  The People's Fish  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @4.3.7    4 weeks ago

I had a healthy chuckle over it, thank you.

 
 
 
Sparty On
4.3.10  Sparty On  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @4.3.3    4 weeks ago

The response wasn't about Schiff per se.  It was about the whistle-blower who was granted anonymity.   Same as the source in the article article asked for.   Both can expect skepticism for obvious reasons.   It's the same thing.   

That Schiff was involved is really irrelevant to the door that was opened.

 
 
 
Sparty On
4.3.11  Sparty On  replied to  JohnRussell @4.3.5    4 weeks ago

If you can't make the connection with what has already been posted there is probably no point to discussing this any further.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
4.3.12  JohnRussell  replied to  Sparty On @4.3.11    4 weeks ago

I asked you a simple question which evidently you can't answer. What is the relevance of the whstleblowers identity to what Trump said to Zelensky? Since there isnt any you can just say so. 

 
 
 
Sparty On
4.3.13  Sparty On  replied to  JohnRussell @4.3.12    4 weeks ago

I've already answered your question in this thread.   I can't help it if you are too intellectually lazy to read it and/or too obtuse to make the connection.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
4.3.14  XDm9mm  replied to  JohnRussell @4.3.12    4 weeks ago
What is the relevance of the whstleblowers identity to what Trump said to Zelensky? Since there isnt any you can just say so. 

The simple relevance is that an unknown individual, made a statement about something that he knew absolutely nothing about, and was commenting on what he SUPPOSEDLY heard others say.

For fucks sake (I think that's one of the favorite comments of the left, you included), for all we know the "whistleblower" (no pun intended) could be Hillary Clinton.

I only want to know WHO CHANGED the requirement of only first person knowledge being able to file an IG complaint.  Every time I got an IG briefing on how to file complaints, it was always STRESSED that we had to have FIRST HAND KNOWLEDGE of the incident as WE MIGHT BE CALLED AS A WITNESS.  In other words, NO HEARSAY.

 
 
 
Kavika
5  Kavika     4 weeks ago

Many major US corporations use prison labor this includes the US Government. 

Prison labor makes 100 per cent of all helmets for the US Military. 

This article is a real swing and a miss.

 
 
 
Ender
5.1  Ender  replied to  Kavika @5    4 weeks ago

Here our cities/towns are close together. I can hit another city in a matter of five minutes and they all share a county jail. I passed through one city the other day and they had prisoners setting up the town Christmas decorations.

 
 
 
XXJefferson#51
5.1.1  XXJefferson#51  replied to  Ender @5.1    4 weeks ago

We have lower risk non violent offenders help fight our wild fires in this state.  

 
 
 
Sparty On
5.2  Sparty On  replied to  Kavika @5    4 weeks ago

I disagree.   It's a pure dinger over the center field wall.   This is simply classic Democrat hypocrisy.  

Complain about low wages and lack of jobs and then pay the lowest wages possible and not hire from the available work force.   Hiring inmates over able bodies folks who ARE NOT incarcerated just reeks of hypocrisy.   And a billionaire doing so just to save money makes it even worse.

Dinger!

 
 
 
JohnRussell
5.2.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Sparty On @5.2    4 weeks ago
This is simply classic Democrat hypocrisy.  

Bloomberg is not a Democrat. He is an independent who has the understanding of politics to not run as an independent and thereby unintentionally help Trump. 

 
 
 
Sparty On
5.2.2  Sparty On  replied to  JohnRussell @5.2.1    4 weeks ago

Sorry John, he's running as a Democrat.   Most of his platform leans liberal.  

So the apple is still an apple.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
5.2.3  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Sparty On @5.2    4 weeks ago
Complain about low wages and lack of jobs and then pay the lowest wages possible and not hire from the available work force.   Hiring inmates over able bodies folks who ARE NOT incarcerated just reeks of hypocrisy.   And a billionaire doing so just to save money makes it even worse.

Again, which he claims he didn't know. And how about Trump who hired people and never paid them. I guess he gets a pass?

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
5.2.4  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  JohnRussell @5.2.1    4 weeks ago
Bloomberg is not a Democrat. He is an independent who has the understanding of politics to not run as an independent and thereby unintentionally help Trump. 

Wrong John. He is running as a Democrat in a field of democrats. Sorry, he is not liberal enough for you. 

 
 
 
The People's Fish
5.2.5  seeder  The People's Fish  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @5.2.4    4 weeks ago

Wait, when did John become liberal? Can you say establishment Democrat.....

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
5.2.6  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  The People's Fish @5.2.5    4 weeks ago

I didn't call John a liberal. Please read more carefully, and you shouldn't be labeling. 

 
 
 
The People's Fish
5.2.7  seeder  The People's Fish  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @5.2.6    4 weeks ago

I didn't label I asked if you could say establishment democrat? Please read more carefully.

Oh no, that made me chuckle too....jrSmiley_86_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Sparty On
5.2.8  Sparty On  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @5.2.3    4 weeks ago
Again, which he claims he didn't know.

Again, its his campaign.   The buck stops on his shoulders.   No mulligans or free passes.   Just like Trump never gets from the media.

And how about Trump who hired people and never paid them. I guess he gets a pass?

Hmmmmm did i give Trump a pass?   Is this article about Trump?

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
5.2.9  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Sparty On @5.2.8    4 weeks ago
Again, its his campaign.   The buck stops on his shoulders.   No mulligans or free passes.   Just like Trump never gets from the media.

I'll grant you that the Buck stops with him, hence why he acknowledged it, instead of brushing it aside. 

Hmmmmm did i give Trump a pass?   Is this article about Trump?

Tacitly you did if you voted for him. And when people claim outrage over one candidate's behavior, they have to be just as outraged when it comes from someone they support. And it is as much about Trump as it was about Shiff. 

 
 
 
Sparty On
5.2.10  Sparty On  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @5.2.9    4 weeks ago
Tacitly you did if you voted for him.

C'mon man.  

Show me a candidate who meets all your expectations and i'll show you a candidate who will never exist.   My choices were made for me by the system that exists today.   The candidate i really preferred didn't make it through the Democrat primary so you don't have me read properly at all.

Yeah, like a lot of people i voted for Trump.   The lesser of the two evils offered.   The thought of that other person getting in was unconscionable to me.   Still is in comparison to Trump.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
5.2.11  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  The People's Fish @5.2.7    4 weeks ago

I'm not laughing. You take things too far. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
5.2.12  JohnRussell  replied to  Sparty On @5.2.10    4 weeks ago
The thought of that other person getting in was unconscionable to me.   Still is in comparison to Trump.

Utterly preposterous. This is why we have a "war" going on.  So be it. 

 
 
 
Sparty On
5.2.13  Sparty On  replied to  JohnRussell @5.2.12    4 weeks ago

Yes so be it John because you are making it so.   Another act of the unconscionable. 

So be it and you better buckle up.   It's going to get much worse for you in 2020

 
 
 
JohnRussell
5.2.14  JohnRussell  replied to  Sparty On @5.2.13    4 weeks ago

People who truly believe that Trump is fitter to be president than Hillary Clinton was should not be allowed to vote. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson#51
5.2.15  XXJefferson#51  replied to  JohnRussell @5.2.12    4 weeks ago

So be it indeed.  Having that witch as our President was an unbearable concept too horrible to imagine. She would have Ben a terrible national nightmare.  Given that no one the democrats will nominate will be even slightly better than her, I am satisfied with using every fiber to the core of my being to do what I can to give our nation four more years of President Trump.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson#51
5.2.16  XXJefferson#51  replied to  JohnRussell @5.2.14    4 weeks ago

All hail King John of Chicago, final arbiter of who can and can’t vote in America.  🤮

 
 
 
Sparty On
5.2.17  Sparty On  replied to  JohnRussell @5.2.14    4 weeks ago

Here, fixed it for you:

People who truly believe that Hillary Clinton is fitter to be president than Trump was should not be allowed to vote. 

nana nana boo boo!

 
 
 
charger 383
6  charger 383    4 weeks ago

Any call about voting for somebody make me more likely to vote against them, just the same as any call wanting me to buy something or give money turns me against the caller

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
6.1  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  charger 383 @6    4 weeks ago

LOL Charger... then you must vote for no one. All I get is robo calls

 
 
 
The People's Fish
6.1.1  seeder  The People's Fish  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @6.1    4 weeks ago

Ask them what they're doing time for?

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
6.1.2  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  The People's Fish @6.1.1    4 weeks ago
Ask them what they're doing time for?

Why would I do that? According to my future son in law, they all say they didn't do it and then physically and or sexually threaten him. 

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
6.1.3  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @6.1    4 weeks ago

Funny, I live in a small rural town on the AZ/Mexico border and I do not recall when the last time I recieved a call about a political poll or asking to support a particular candidate. I guess I should consider myself fortunate to live where I do. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
6.1.4  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @6.1.3    4 weeks ago
I do not recall when the last time I recieved a call about a political poll or asking to support a particular candidate. I guess I should consider myself fortunate to live where I do. 

Indeed!

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
7  Perrie Halpern R.A.    4 weeks ago

From the same article:

Prison labor has been used in a federal election on at least one other occasion. In 1994, the late Republican congressperson from Washington state, Jack Metcalf, used prison labor to make campaign calls and was subsequently elected to Congress, where he served three terms.

LOLOLOLOLOLOL.. at least one other time... and a republican doing it. Talk about not news. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson#51
7.1  XXJefferson#51  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @7    4 weeks ago

The independent who always defends democrats and finds blame for Republicans...

 
 
 
loki12
7.1.1  loki12  replied to  XXJefferson#51 @7.1    4 weeks ago

I’m beginning to think someone is a huuuuuge Bloomberg supporter.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
7.1.2  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  XXJefferson#51 @7.1    4 weeks ago

Are you making this personal? Do you really want to go there?

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
7.1.3  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  loki12 @7.1.1    4 weeks ago
I’m beginning to think someone is a huuuuuge Bloomberg supporter.

I am supporting any rational moderate Dem, since we only have two parties. I wish we had a third, but hey, the two party system likes it this way. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
7.1.4  JohnRussell  replied to  loki12 @7.1.1    4 weeks ago

Why in the world would any perceptive, intelligent person support Trump? 

Perrie is not a Democrat nor does she generally support Democrats.

My guess is that she knows Trump is not supportable. 

This is hardly rocket science or brain surgery. 

 
 
 
loki12
7.1.6  loki12  replied to  JohnRussell @7.1.4    4 weeks ago

I hate trump!

ive just translated everyone of your posts for the last 3 years

 
 
 
MUVA
7.1.7  MUVA  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @7.1.3    4 weeks ago

There isn't a democrat that isn't leftist and that includes little Mikey.

 
 
 
XXJefferson#51
7.1.8  XXJefferson#51  replied to  loki12 @7.1.1    4 weeks ago

What he said!

 
 
 
XXJefferson#51
7.1.9  XXJefferson#51  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @7.1.3    4 weeks ago

Trump is the moderate in the 2020 election. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
7.1.10  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  XXJefferson#51 @7.1.9    4 weeks ago
Trump is the moderate in the 2020 election. 

Thanks for the laugh.

 
 
 
XXJefferson#51
7.1.11  XXJefferson#51  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @7.1.10    4 weeks ago

...But dislike of Trump has reached a whole new level of intensity. It’s off the charts.

It’s not easy to explain why.

Unlike most Republican leaders, Donald Trump is not a social conservative. He approves of gay marriage. He’s not particularly religious. He rarely goes to church. His personal life doesn’t seem to reflect Christian values. He fought racial and ethnic bias in Palm Beach (a historic bastion of prejudice) by opening his Mar-a-Lago facility to blacks and Jews who were excluded at other clubs and hotels. You could easily call that “progressive.”

Donald Trump is also not an economic conservative. Unlike other Republican leaders, he has been unwilling to rein in government spending and he has shown no interest in stemming rising federal debt. He has been unwilling to even discuss controlling entitlement spending  – especially Social Security and Medicare. He has no interest being an opponent of organized labor.

So, what riles the left so much about Trump?

In any intellectual debate, attacking the opponent’s beliefs is not the worst thing you can do. Far worse is destroying the myths people tell themselves to support their beliefs. That’s how Trump differs from traditional Republicans.

Throughout most of modern political history, Republicans have begun their debates with Democrats by saying, “We agree on goals but disagree on how to get there.”

That message sanctions the liberal’s world view. It says, “We approve of and agree with what you are trying to do. And we agree that you really are trying to do it. We just think your lack of understanding of economics and human nature is why your programs fail.”

Trump is not nearly so kind. In saying he wants to “drain the swamp” and in asking African Americans, “What have you got to lose?” he is challenging how liberals think about themselves. He’s asking voters to change how they think about liberalism as such. There is evidence this message is paying off.

By most accounts the reason Donald Trump is president is that blue collar workers in swing states voted for him. For a long time, Trump critics claimed that the reason for this behavior was racism – even though a lot of those same voters previously voted for Barack Obama. 

But racism can’t possibly be the reason for the surge in approval for Trump among blacks and Hispanics... https://thenewstalkers.com/vic-eldred/group_discuss/7397/why-do-liberals-hate-trump

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
7.1.12  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  XXJefferson#51 @7.1.11    4 weeks ago

Thanks for the cut and paste, but Trump is not a moderate nor is this about liberalism. It is about bringing honor back to our office and common sense policies that are not based on a whim and a twitter account. Btw. I have seen little change in how black sand latinos feel about him either. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
7.1.13  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  MUVA @7.1.7    4 weeks ago
There isn't a democrat that isn't leftist and that includes little Mikey.

As opposed to the Tyrant we have in office now? And tell me something, how is it that you obsess about Bloomberg's hight while missing Trump's fat and why is any of this even important?

 
 
 
XXJefferson#51
7.1.14  XXJefferson#51  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @7.1.12    4 weeks ago

Trump is not a traditional Republican.  The c&p from one of my earlier seeds this week clearly shows that.  He has views and positions on issues that are to the left of center.  So if Trump based on all that isn’t a traditional conservative or a moderate, what label is he?  It is because of the policy issues he’s worked on that I agree with that I am voting to re elect him.  Reduced regulations, cut taxes, leveled the state and local deductions playing field for all Americans, low inflation, low interest rates, 3.5% unemployment, real wage increases at last, stopped the upward momentum of medical and drug costs, killed the individual mandate, energy independence, energy exporter, space force and stronger national defense, reformed judiciary, supports pro life, supports religious liberty, moved embassy to Jerusalem, strongly supports Israel, made fair trade deals with other countries better than what was there before, revival of manufacturing.  All good reasons so many will vote to re elect him with a clear conscience.  Hopefully in a 2nd term he will concentrate on debt reduction and entitlement Reinforcement and securing.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson#51
7.1.15  XXJefferson#51  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @7.1.13    4 weeks ago

If Trump is a truant, May we forever and always have one like him and not one like Bloomberg be our President.  

 
 
 
MUVA
7.1.16  MUVA  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @7.1.13    4 weeks ago

I notice Little Mikey is little because of the way Trump has been treated  it open my eyes.

 
 
 
TᵢG
7.1.17  TᵢG  replied to  MUVA @7.1.16    4 weeks ago

Why would you go that route ... making fun of a person's physical attributes?    I could see going after Bloomberg if it was his practice to make fun of others, but that is not what Bloomberg does.   Bloomberg is a serious, competent adult.   Trump, in contrast, is all about making fun of people — particularly in terms of their physical attributes.   He invites reciprocity in this regard.

 
 
 
MUVA
7.1.18  MUVA  replied to  TᵢG @7.1.17    4 weeks ago

I didn't go that route till Trump was elected it seems at that point it was katie bar the door he has been called every name in the book.I like to show how ridiculous it is.I never noticed you ever comment to someone you should stop insulting Trump.

 
 
 
TᵢG
7.1.19  TᵢG  replied to  MUVA @7.1.18    4 weeks ago
I never noticed you ever comment to someone you should stop insulting Trump.

As I noted, Trump’s style of insulting others makes him fair game for reciprocity.   So no defending a bully who gets bullied.  I have, however, noted that complaints about Trump should be factual and not petty or emotional.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
7.1.20  JohnRussell  replied to  MUVA @7.1.16    4 weeks ago
I notice Little Mikey is little because of the way Trump has been treated

Trump's personal 'ethic' seems to be, "I will cheat, lie, commit fraud, bully, and sexually assault women, and if anyone complains about it I will attack them twice as hard as they hit me, whether I tell the truth about them or not". 

That is presidential material? 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
7.1.21  JohnRussell  replied to  MUVA @7.1.18    4 weeks ago
didn't go that route till Trump was elected it seems at that point it was katie bar the door he has been called every name in the book.

Trump is a KNOWN liar, crook, bigot and moron. If you dont want to see him referred to in that way then stop supporting him and it shouldnt bother you any more. 

 
 
 
The People's Fish
7.1.22  seeder  The People's Fish  replied to  JohnRussell @7.1.21    4 weeks ago
Trump is a KNOWN liar, crook, bigot and moron. If

Yes of course most of our politicians are but the economy is good so no objections.....

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
7.1.23  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  The People's Fish @7.1.22    4 weeks ago
but the economy is good so no objections.....

There is more to our life than the economy. 

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
7.1.24  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  MUVA @7.1.18    4 weeks ago
I didn't go that route till Trump was elected it seems at that point it was katie bar the door he has been called every name in the book

I keep seeing this trend from multiple right wing conservatives, the premise that because of liberals reaction to Trump or their past support for the adulterous Bill Clinton, that somehow makes it okay for conservatives to support an even slimier serial adulterer with more accusations of sexual assault against him, or use crass personal attacks on Trumps opponents. It's not as if they are even just implying equivalence, they're out right proclaiming that Democrats have set the bar so low which is why they are now so accepting of things they previously would have vehemently condemned. I guess when you have no backbone, it's easy to let others set your standards for you.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
7.1.25  sandy-2021492  replied to  MUVA @7.1.18    4 weeks ago

You seem to be ignoring Trump's own behavior leading up to the 2016 primaries.  How many Republican candidates did he attack with schoolyard bully insults?   Fiorina, Rubio, and Cruz (and Cruz's wife) come to mind.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
7.1.26  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @7.1.23    4 weeks ago
There is more to our life than the economy.

I think many people forget this very important fact. The reality is, Germany went through a terrible financial depression during the early 1930's even worse than the depression we felt here in the States, and that was one of the primary factors that led to Hitler's rise to power, proclaiming he would bring the German economy roaring back, and he did, for a while, and at great cost to the nation and the citizens who are still dealing with the consequences. Financial strength is never the true measure of a nation.

 
 
 
XXJefferson#51
7.1.27  XXJefferson#51  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @7.1.26    4 weeks ago

Then I guess we should keep Trump and keep our economy strong so we don’t elect a Hitler like democrat to “save” us during harder times.  

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
7.1.28  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  XXJefferson#51 @7.1.27    4 weeks ago
Then I guess we should keep Trump and keep our economy strong so we don’t elect a Hitler like democrat to “save” us during harder times

Trump is the populist "strong man" Republicans elected to "save" them as they were constantly complaining, whining and crying under the Obama administration, even though Obama had helped bring the economy back from the edge to never before seen stock markets highs. But because there was a middle segment of America that didn't see as much recovery as the big cities and coastal States, Trump was able to use the bitter anger over their feeling forgotten to rile up a fearful, xenophobic, poorly educated base of rural Americans and blamed all their problems on the straw man of minorities, liberals, progressives and all the people that were doing well. Dishonest Donald claimed the prior President was illegitimate which played into the xenophobia of his base who hated the very thought of having a black man as their President, and championed protectionist ignorance with the idea of building a huge wall to keep out all the "others", especially the brown "others" who his base frighten their children with stories of evil Mexican rapists supposedly coming here to destroy their "white culture".

While Trump has ridden the financial gains started under Obama, he hasn't significantly increased the GDP and he has almost doubled the deficit and added more than $2 trillion to the debt in an effort to boost the economy, and we've seen some gains, as we should have. But the GDP growth is just 2.1% and all the signs point to it slowing further in 2020. So while some companies had a strong holiday season and their workers saw better bonuses this year and sales were stronger than they've seen in the last decade after we had to recover from the great recession, to claim the extra $500 billion Trump added to the annual deficit, mostly from his tax cut for the wealthy and corporations with a tiny sliver going to low and middle income Americans, was needed to stay at 2.1% GDP, which is actually LESS than many years under Obama, seems fiscally irresponsible at best.

 
 
 
loki12
8  loki12    4 weeks ago

Bloomberg once again using and abusing minority’s for political gain, nothing to see here because some republican who nobody has heard of did it a quarter century ago.

Bloombergs campaign slogan, 

I love minority’s!

out if sight in prison working as slaves for my campaign. Where they belong.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
8.1  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  loki12 @8    4 weeks ago

Please actually read the article. He said he didn't know. He isn't doing it anymore. 

out if sight in prison working as slaves for my campaign. Where they belong.

I never knew you felt bad for our prison population. Do you want to give us advice on how to reform it? 

 
 
 
loki12
8.1.1  loki12  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @8.1    4 weeks ago

So the guy in charge isn’t responsible? It would be nice if the hypocrisy was less obvious.

didnt you just whine about trump properties and blamed him for the actions of a manager because he was in charge? Why yes you did

 
 
 
MUVA
8.1.2  MUVA  replied to  loki12 @8.1.1    4 weeks ago

If anyone else uses that excuse they would be cut to pieces by the media and public the hypocrisy that Trump has exposed alone is worth him being president. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
8.1.3  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  MUVA @8.1.2    4 weeks ago
If anyone else uses that excuse they would be cut to pieces by the media and public the hypocrisy that Trump has exposed alone is worth him being president. 

You do realize that Trump used slave labor in China for his Trump line for Macy's right? You know, the same China that he now says we need a trade war with. 

You can't point fingers when they are pointing right back at ya.

 
 
 
XXJefferson#51
8.1.4  XXJefferson#51  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @8.1    4 weeks ago

First Start is a good start! 

 
 
 
MUVA
8.1.5  MUVA  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @8.1.3    4 weeks ago

He didn't know is what Trump said does that fly or is that a excuse for little Mikey alone.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
8.1.6  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  MUVA @8.1.5    4 weeks ago

Again with the little Mikey. Come on. Can we have an adult conversation here.

 
 
 
The People's Fish
8.1.7  seeder  The People's Fish  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @8.1.6    4 weeks ago

Let me know when he is tall enough to ride the ride.... Hold on that made me chuckle.....jrSmiley_86_smiley_image.gif  

384

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
8.1.8  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  The People's Fish @8.1.7    4 weeks ago

BF, if you think I am dumb enough to be bothered by your taunts, think again.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
9  XDm9mm    4 weeks ago

What amazes me is that people actually think this is unusual.

I've received "calls" asking for donations to various "police" organizations that were actually generated from behind bars.

I wonder how many people gave their names and credit card numbers to, well, felons behind bars!!  Oh the irony.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
9.1  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  XDm9mm @9    4 weeks ago

There you go! I have read that before, too. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
10  TᵢG    4 weeks ago

How silly.   This reminds me of a seed complaining that Trump cheats at golf.    

This seed is implying that Bloomberg himself knew that this particular subcontractor was using prison labor and approved of it.   

Damn, politics is a slimy game;  no wonder it is difficult to get good candidates.

 
 
 
MUVA
10.1  MUVA  replied to  TᵢG @10    4 weeks ago

No it's shows the hypocrisy inherent in America let Trump try to use that excuse and see the difference in reaction. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
10.1.1  TᵢG  replied to  MUVA @10.1    4 weeks ago

Most would not make an equivalence of Trump with Bloomberg in terms of ethics.

 
 
 
XXJefferson#51
10.1.2  XXJefferson#51  replied to  TᵢG @10.1.1    4 weeks ago

Bloomberg actually has some ethics?  Who knew?  

 
 
 
TᵢG
10.1.3  TᵢG  replied to  XXJefferson#51 @10.1.2    4 weeks ago

Bloomberg could have just as easily ran as a Republican.   Indeed, in 2016, Bloomberg could have been there and might have been the nominee.   If he had won, he would be our PotUS.

And here is my point HA.

Given your undeserved, undying support for Trump with all his faults (including being a faux-Christian since that should matter to you) it is obvious that you would support an R PotUS Bloomberg.    You would be defending Bloomberg against the D attacks on NT, bringing up articles on Bloomberg's accomplishments and philanthropy.   If Trump is your man, Bloomberg would have been your hero.   'Greatest President Ever' might have emerged from your fingertips.

Denying this would by funny to observe.   I suspect most of us would get a kick out of it.


In short, the partisan mindset is predictable.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
10.1.4  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  TᵢG @10.1.3    4 weeks ago

I would give you two thumbs up for that comment if I could. Well said Tig!

 
 
 
XXJefferson#51
10.1.5  XXJefferson#51  replied to  TᵢG @10.1.3    4 weeks ago

Trump could have easily run as a democrat.  He once was one as well as an independent.  Trump siding with pro life and Bloomberg with the gun grabbers largely determined which party each would run for President with.  

 
 
 
TᵢG
10.1.6  TᵢG  replied to  XXJefferson#51 @10.1.5    4 weeks ago

jrSmiley_78_smiley_image.gif    You totally missed the point.   Yes, Trump could have easily ran as a D.   Non sequitur.

My point was that if Bloomberg had been the R PotUS instead of Trump, you would be seeding articles of praise for ' our great president Bloomberg '.    My corollary point, since you focused on Trump, is that if Trump had won as a D, you would be seeding all sorts of articles criticizing the D president Trump.

My point, in summary, was that the partisan mindset is predictable.

 
 
 
MUVA
10.1.7  MUVA  replied to  TᵢG @10.1.6    4 weeks ago

No that was my point and you missed it.

 
 
 
TᵢG
10.1.8  TᵢG  replied to  MUVA @10.1.7    4 weeks ago

What are you talking about?   I replied to HA's comment @10.1.5.   You seem to be replying to my response to you @10.1.1 

Your point @10.1 was that there is partisan hypocrisy in the USA.   I agree (this is obvious ... a dominant attribute of partisanship) and thus my response to you showed no disagreement with your point.   Instead, I pointed out that equating Trump with Bloomberg in terms of ethics is a highly flawed comparison.

 
 
 
MUVA
10.1.9  MUVA  replied to  TᵢG @10.1.8    4 weeks ago

You missed the point that's all your response had nothing to do with what I posted [deleted]

 
 
 
TᵢG
10.1.10  TᵢG  replied to  MUVA @10.1.9    4 weeks ago

Sure it did, you equated Trump with Bloomberg in terms of ethics.   I disagreed.

 
 
 
XXJefferson#51
10.1.11  XXJefferson#51  replied to  TᵢG @10.1.6    4 weeks ago

I didn’t criticize all of Bill Clinton’s policies as President even supported him on some.  If Trump were a democrat and had acted policy wise as he’s done to this point, I’d have had to support him a lot of the time.  Bloomberg shut the dr to running for federal office as a Republican when he went all in with the gun grabbers.  I could not support him n that or the soda ban which revealed his little dictator government knows best for us mentality.  No thanks. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
10.1.12  TᵢG  replied to  XXJefferson#51 @10.1.11    4 weeks ago

I see.  So you fancy yourself to be a non-partisan who will support or criticize on merit alone.   

Well, from what I have seen, if Bloomberg had won the presidency as an R in 2016, I would be shocked if you were not seeding praises to him on a daily basis.   I suspect I am not alone in that view.

 
 
 
MUVA
10.1.13  MUVA  replied to  TᵢG @10.1.10    4 weeks ago

No it had to do with the hypocrisy about the way news is covered and the way people react to it.

 
 
 
TᵢG
10.1.14  TᵢG  replied to  MUVA @10.1.13    4 weeks ago

I am aware of that.   But you did indeed equate Trump with Bloomberg in terms of ethics.   I disagreed with you on that.   You cannot ignore the fact that the ethics of Bloomberg are strikingly different than those of Trump.   That has an effect on how the media interprets their respective actions.   

In short, a person with a reputation of dishonesty and exploitation (e.g. Trump) will likely not be given the benefit of the doubt on an ethical question.    In contrast, a person who has been a successful, honest, responsible businessperson and major (e.g. Bloomberg) will likely be (or at least should be) given the benefit of the doubt on an ethical question.   For Trump, an ethical issue is to be expected.   For Bloomberg, it would be out of character.

So, as I noted, I disagree with equating Trump and Bloomberg in terms of ethics.

 
 
 
Kavika
11  Kavika     4 weeks ago

Is anyone aware that the Federal Prison Industries operating under the name UNICOR is a US government owned company which uses prison labor. 

This article on Bloomberg contracting with a company that uses prison labor is really a huge nothing burger if you consider that the US GOVERNEMENT has it's own company that uses prison labor. 

They have been involved in DOJ inspections and they are the group that produced faulty helmets to the US military. They are government themselves so the contracts are no bid in reality. 

In addition dozens of major US corporations use prison labor. 

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/federal-prison-owned-factories-fences-face-scrutiny-n639791

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
11.1  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Kavika @11    4 weeks ago

Kavika..

Facts hurt. 

 
 
 
jungkonservativ111
12  jungkonservativ111    4 weeks ago

I do wonder why we don't get more out of our prisoners. We feed them and provide them utilities all day, and what do we tax payers get back for it? There are plenty of potholes here in Michigan needs filled and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to do it. Not to mention Trump's Wall. Wouldn't it be poetic justice to have imprisoned border jumpers building Trump's great wall for a fraction of the price to us Americans? That's how you get Mexico to pay for the wall.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
12.1  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  jungkonservativ111 @12    4 weeks ago

Mexico is never paying for that wall. That should be obvious at this point. 

 
 
 
jungkonservativ111
12.1.1  jungkonservativ111  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @12.1    4 weeks ago

That's getting pretty off topic but I didn't vote Trump assuming he would make that happen. I always took it as a "hold my beer and watch this" type statement. I have no problem investing in the security of my own country as a tax payer same as I would invest in my own home security. I would rather do that then send soldiers and resources to countries that hate us and our way of life.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
12.1.2  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  jungkonservativ111 @12.1.1    4 weeks ago

You might have taken it as a "hold my beer and watch this" type statement, but I am sure that the crowds chanting with Trump believed him. And while I agree with border security and investing in it, I believe in smart security and a wall is not that.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
12.1.3  XDm9mm  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @12.1    4 weeks ago
Mexico is never paying for that wall. That should be obvious at this point.

We should just give Mexico 'foreign aid' and have them build the wall on their side of the border.  Then, they're paying for it and we're getting what we want.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
12.1.4  XDm9mm  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @12.1.2    4 weeks ago
I believe in smart security and a wall is not that.

Please expand on that theory.   What do you see as "smart security" that will stop, or at least drastically slow illegal alien invaders from coming here?

 
 
 
XXJefferson#51
12.1.5  XXJefferson#51  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @12.1.2    4 weeks ago

I’m just glad that now a wall is part of an overall comprehensive border security plan.  Walls also incorporate roads, lighting, long range cameras and censors that can assist away from the ends of a particular wall section.  

 
 
 
XDm9mm
12.1.6  XDm9mm  replied to  XXJefferson#51 @12.1.5    4 weeks ago
Walls also incorporate roads, lighting, long range cameras and censors that can assist away from the ends of a particular wall section.

That's the piece of a "wall" solution that wall opponents always fail to consider.   The associated infrastructure, especially roads, make it much easier and quicker for CBP Officers to get to any particular location.  Speed is of the essence when trying to interdict border violators and drug traffickers.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
12.2  XDm9mm  replied to  jungkonservativ111 @12    4 weeks ago
There are plenty of potholes here in Michigan needs filled and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to do it.

The problem with that is similar to the problem NY had with using prison labor to clean the highways of litter.  It pissed off the unions as it was taking their work away from them.

 
 
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