Exclusive poll: Black Americans motivated by Trump to vote in 2020

  
Via:  john-russell  •  one month ago  •  85 comments

Exclusive poll: Black Americans motivated by Trump to vote in 2020
Black Americans' increased motivation to vote next year stems from an intense opposition to President Trump and a belief that he "has been a disaster for our country, and we need to do everything we can to vote him out," according to the survey.

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A majority of black Americans are more interested in voting in the 2020 presidential election than they were in 2016, according to a national  survey  of 1200 black voters and non-voters conducted by Third Way and the Joint Center.

Why it matters:  Black voter turnout  declined  significantly in 2016 nationally and in key swing states, ultimately contributing to Hillary Clinton's loss to Donald Trump. New details from focus groups and polling suggests that the motivation to remove Trump from office is firing up black Americans to head to the polls next November.




Details:  Third Way and the Joint Center conducted nine focus groups of black voters and non-voters in and around Atlanta, Detroit and Philadelphia.

  • They also commissioned a quantitative survey that goes beyond the 2020 horse race to better understand how these Americans are feeling and thinking about things like the economy, immigration and other issues central to the next election.

Black Americans' increased motivation to vote next year stems from an intense opposition to President Trump and a belief that he "has been a disaster for our country, and we need to do everything we can to vote him out," according to the survey.

  • Most respondents said they believe Trump's election has emboldened people with racist views to express them publicly.

  • Their second most common motivating factor: "Voting is the best way to make my voice heard in our government," according to the survey.

By the numbers:  57% of all respondents who identified as "strong Democrats" said they're more interested in voting next year, compared to 62% of black men who identified that way.

  • In 2016, more than three times as many black men voted for Trump as black women.

  • In recent months, we've seen various Democratic presidential candidates  court black male voters  in small, intimate settings as a way to understand their concerns and needs before 2020.

  • An  estimated  30 million black Americans will be eligible to vote next year.

Between the lines:  While black men share some of the same concerns as black women at the ballot box, their top issues heading into the next election are different.

  • Women's top priority when thinking about the presidential election is affordable housing — something you rarely, if ever, hear from Trump's re-election pitch.

  • For black men, their top concern is health care costs — something Democrats have been hammering since before the 2018 midterms.

One cause for concern  as the president touts a strong economy as core to his re-election message: Only 22% of black Americans said their personal financial situation has gotten better over the last two years.

  • That's a warning sign for Trump and Republicans who want to make their case by focusing on low unemployment rates for African Americans, as data suggests these voters aren't feeling the effects of a booming economy.

  • Among those who are employed, one in five black Americans surveyed said they are working more than one job to make ends meet.



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JohnRussell
1  seeder  JohnRussell    one month ago

Trump should bring Kanye West back to the oval office and try again. Or maybe his African American 

 
 
 
Sparty On
2  Sparty On    one month ago

Black voter turnout was at historic highs in 2008 and and 2012 for an obvious reason. 

It also went back to normal levels in 2016 for the same obvious reason.  2020 won't change their turnout much unless you run a black candidate.   I know you've got a lot of wishful thinking going on there John but i wouldn't count on it.

https://www.census.gov/newsroom/blogs/random-samplings/2017/05/voting_in_america.html

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Sparty On @2    one month ago

Obviously you missed the point. 

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Sparty On
2.1.1  Sparty On  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1    one month ago
Obviously you missed the point. 

Obviously i didn't but then again i'm not blinded by rage and hatred towards the man.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2.1.2  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Sparty On @2.1.1    one month ago

Please find another punch line. That one is meaningless drivel and not worthy of appearing on NT. 

 
 
 
Sparty On
2.1.3  Sparty On  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.2    one month ago

I know John, the truth can hurt but it will set you free .....

 
 
 
jungkonservativ111
3  jungkonservativ111    one month ago

Everyone who says Trump has been a disaster for our country, can never, ever name one reason why. Sad

 
 
 
JohnRussell
3.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  jungkonservativ111 @3    one month ago
  • Most respondents said they believe Trump's election has emboldened people with racist views to express them publicly.

Sounds pretty specific to me. 

 
 
 
jungkonservativ111
3.1.1  jungkonservativ111  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1    one month ago
said they believe

Oh yea that's proof of a disasterjrSmiley_80_smiley_image.gif . Hyperbole is not good for anybody.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
3.1.2  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  jungkonservativ111 @3.1.1    one month ago

I suppose you think that YOUR belief in him, or that the fact that he has cracked 40% in approval polls is proof he is not a disaster. 

 
 
 
jungkonservativ111
3.1.3  jungkonservativ111  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1    one month ago

Let me give you an example of racial politics causing a "disaster".

Aftermath of baltimore

Aftermath of Ferguson

https://www.cbsnews.com/video/ferguson-protesters-riot-in-aftermath-of-grand-jury-decision/

Obama built those disasters.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
3.1.4  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  jungkonservativ111 @3.1.3    one month ago

I hope you can control your emotions about race better than you did the last time. I have my doubts. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
3.1.5  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  jungkonservativ111 @3.1.3    one month ago
Obama built those disasters.

How did Obama cause Baltimore? What cause Baltimore was bad policing practices and a crap mayor who did nothing. Do you know how many college kids had "rough rides"? My kids when to Johns Hopkins and the problem was huge. 

 
 
 
jungkonservativ111
3.1.6  jungkonservativ111  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.4    one month ago

I just think it's funny how they are conditioned to think. I mean, Trump lowers unemployment for blacks to all time low and he is a bad guy, Obama inspires them to burn their own neighborhood while black participation in food stamps hits all time highs, but he's the good guy?

https://onenewsnow.com/business/2019/12/16/almost-6m-off-food-stamps-after-all-time-high-under-obama

 
 
 
jungkonservativ111
3.1.7  jungkonservativ111  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @3.1.5    one month ago

Obama fed the animosity towards the police force enabling the black grievance crowd. Funny how we don't hear much about that now that Obama isn't President, isn't it?

 
 
 
MUVA
3.1.8  MUVA  replied to  jungkonservativ111 @3.1.7    one month ago

Body cams are another reason.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
3.1.9  Sean Treacy  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @3.1.5    one month ago

Baltimore cops stopped policing when they got thrown under the bus.  Check the murder rate before and after the riot.  

 
 
 
JohnRussell
3.1.10  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  jungkonservativ111 @3.1.6    one month ago

I know what Obama's problem was. He didnt have his own personal "African American" that traveled around with him to campaign stops, like Trump did. 

About Baltimore, ...Trump has been boasting for 3 or 4 years that he was going to straighten out the violence problems in inner cities like Baltimore ,Chicago, and others. I think he has talked about sending in the National Guard or US Marshals. 

Never happened. Maybe he's been too busy retweeting white supremacists and conspiracy theorists. Oh well. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
3.1.11  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  jungkonservativ111 @3.1.7    one month ago

I'm not one of Obama's biggest fans but please tell me, how did he do that? Do you think the crowd consulted with him before the riot broke out, or they heard the news and took to the street?

Baltimore was a tinderbox waiting to happen. The tension was there constantly with the locals. Their mayor was voted in for change and instead did nothing, including not bring the police out in force when the riots broke out. My kids were held up in the campus apartments and could see everything going down. Not a cop in sight. Only the campus police. 

 
 
 
loki12
3.1.12  loki12  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @3.1.11    one month ago
I'm not one of Obama's biggest fans but please tell me, how did he do that?

The same way trump gets blamed for everything, through his rhetoric  and racial division, The police acted stupidly. Trayvon could have been my son...Ferguson.....He used race as a tool as well as anyone, Remember Bidens, they are going to put you back in chains.  

 
 
 
MUVA
3.1.13  MUVA  replied to  loki12 @3.1.12    one month ago

He definitely stoked the fire every chance he got where  is he now mentoring young black men helping the black inner violence problem in Chicago no he is making as much money as he can hanging out with billionaires he is as phony as they come. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
3.1.14  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  loki12 @3.1.12    one month ago

Loki,

Believe me, no one in those riots were listening to Obama. Those riots were years in the making. We attended townhall meetings since we were very concerned about our daughters going to school there, and they were mad at the police and the mayor. That is when we found out that the police were doing it to the college kids, too. 

 
 
 
loki12
3.1.15  loki12  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @3.1.14    one month ago

I am not disputing that, this is a goose gander, or quid pro quo,  If trump gets blamed so does Obama, anything else is hypocritical, Is it not?

Obamas rhetoric was as divisive as trumps, depending on which square you are standing on, red or blue.

 
 
 
WallyW
3.1.16  WallyW  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1    4 weeks ago
  • Most respondents said they believe Trump's election has emboldened people with racist views to express them publicly.

That's not true.  jrSmiley_55_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
bugsy
3.1.17  bugsy  replied to  WallyW @3.1.16    4 weeks ago
That's not true.

Actually, it kinda has. Just listen to liberals when a minority comes out in favor of Trump or Republicans.

 
 
 
Kathleen
3.1.18  Kathleen  replied to  jungkonservativ111 @3.1.3    4 weeks ago

Baltimore has gotten so bad over that past years that I am so glad I moved over 3 hours away. It's a shame to because it was such a great city.  It was never the same since William Donald Schaefer left. All the other mayors were either just incompetent or getting caught doing something illegal.  

A real shame.

 
 
 
Kathleen
3.1.19  Kathleen  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.4    4 weeks ago

You should expect some feedback like this with this type of article.

 
 
 
MUVA
3.1.20  MUVA  replied to  Kathleen @3.1.18    4 weeks ago

My brother was stationed in Baltimore doing undercover work in drug interdiction in the 90's it was bad back then.One of the guy's he worked under had three guys try to rob him outside the venue at his retirement party.

 
 
 
katrix
3.1.21  katrix  replied to  Kathleen @3.1.18    4 weeks ago

I still go to Baltimore for concerts sometimes, but I don't go wandering around.

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
3.1.22  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  jungkonservativ111 @3.1.7    4 weeks ago
Funny how we don't hear much about that now that Obama isn't President, isn't it?

one of the first things sessions did was end  " third party settlements

" which funded the lefts bs under obama

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/attorney-general-jeff-sessions-ends-third-party-settlement-practice Under the last Administration, the Department repeatedly required settling parties to pay settlement funds to third party community organizations that were not directly involved in the litigation or harmed by the defendant’s conduct.  Pursuant to the Attorney General’s memorandum, this practice will immediately stop.

so yepp... obama funded the lefts riots.  straight out of the communist playbook. making obama and his admin the biggest pile of shit to ever occupy the whitehouse.

 
 
 
lib50
3.2  lib50  replied to  jungkonservativ111 @3    one month ago

He has totally taken us from a leader of the free world to a satellite of Russia.  His constant lying and ignorance (that he acts upon) render us untrustworthy and irresponsible, a country that can't be counted on.  He exploded the deficit for that tax cut to the top.  His trade wars and tariffs have cost both the farmers their markets and consumers their money (we pay the tariffs).  His hate filled rants have encouraged more violence against minorities.  His continuous attempts to make money off the office continue to this day.  Using Trump properties to make more money for himself.  The fucker doesn't even read any briefs, its all about him, not the country. 

 
 
 
Sparty On
3.2.1  Sparty On  replied to  lib50 @3.2    one month ago
He has totally taken us from a leader of the free world to a satellite of Russia.

Lol, talk about drivel.   Sadly, i'm sure you really believe that .... which is damn scary for you.

 
 
 
jungkonservativ111
3.2.2  jungkonservativ111  replied to  Sparty On @3.2.1    one month ago

When people open with crap like that, it makes everything behind it stink......

 
 
 
JohnRussell
3.2.3  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  lib50 @3.2    one month ago

lib50, how dare you tell the truth about President* Trump !

Now you will be told you are obsessed with him and hate him and you will get a lot of pointless, contentless, drivelish defenses of him. Now you went and did it !

 
 
 
loki12
3.2.4  loki12  replied to  lib50 @3.2    one month ago
He has totally taken us from a leader of the free world to a satellite of Russia. 

Please in detail give us examples:  I'm looking for things like this.

Gave Putin Crimea

Gave Putin control over Syria by erasing his red line.

Allowed Putin to interfere in our elections and told cyber to stand down.

Allowed Putin to bomb US trainers he sent to Syria with no response;

Now other than your butt hurt feeling that the racist bitch Clinton lost. And not some bullshit feelings, exactly in detail with proof. what do you have. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
3.2.5  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  loki12 @3.2.4    one month ago
Allowed Putin to interfere in our elections and told cyber to stand down.

Non stop hilarity. 

 
 
 
MUVA
3.2.6  MUVA  replied to  JohnRussell @3.2.5    one month ago

No Obama's cut it out strategy is no joking matter. 

 
 
 
loki12
3.2.7  loki12  replied to  lib50 @3.2    one month ago
He exploded the deficit for that tax cut to the top.

Which year did revenue go down again?  And the deficit is starting to explode because the cost of the ACA isn't being collected in advance any more, Remember Newday, the taxes started 4 years before the costs kicked in. You can't keep giving people free shit and not expect costs to go up. we have a spending problem.

  • Medicare spending grew 6.4% to $750.2 billion in 2018, or 21 percent of total NHE.
  • Medicaid spending grew 3.0% to $597.4 billion in 2018, or 16 percent of total NHE.
 
 
 
loki12
3.2.8  loki12  replied to  JohnRussell @3.2.5    one month ago
Non stop hilarity. 

Your ignorance isn't a valid defense John, but totally believable,

The Obama White House’s chief cyber official testified Wednesday that proposals he was developing to counter Russia’s attack on the U.S. presidential election were put on a “back burner” after he was ordered to “stand down” his efforts in the summer of 2016.

Under oath John, the Obama appointee.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/obama-cyber-chief-confirms-stand-order-russian-cyberattacks-summer-2016-204935758.html

It was a debate that would culminate that summer with a dramatic directive from Obama’s national security adviser to the NSC staffers developing aggressive proposals to strike back against the Russians: “Stand down.”

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/stand-down-how-the-obama-team-blew-the-response-to-russian-meddling_n_5aa29a97e4b086698a9d1112

 
 
 
r.t..b...
3.2.9  r.t..b...  replied to  loki12 @3.2.4    one month ago
the racist bitch Clinton

...rendering any counter argument null and void.

 
 
 
MUVA
3.2.10  MUVA  replied to  r.t..b... @3.2.9    one month ago

Then almost every anti Trump comment is also null and void using that logic.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
3.2.11  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  loki12 @3.2.8    one month ago
As Obama and his top policymakers saw it, they were stuck with several dilemmas. Inform the public about the Russian attack without triggering widespread unease about the election system. Be pro‑active without coming across as partisan and bolstering Trump’s claim the election was a sham. Prevent Putin from further cyber aggression without prompting him to do more. “This was one of the most complex and challenging issues I dealt with in government,” Avril Haines, the NSC’s No. 2 official, who oversaw the deputies meetings, later remarked.
The principals asked the Treasury Department to craft a list of far‑reaching economic sanctions. Officials at the State Department began working up diplomatic penalties. And the White House pushed the IC to develop more intelligence on the Russian operation so Obama and his aides could consider whether to publicly call out Moscow.

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In early September, during the G-20 summit in Hangzhou, China, the president privately confronted Putin in what a senior White House official described as a “candid” and “blunt” talk. The president informed his aides he had delivered the message he and his advisers had crafted: We know what you’re doing. If you don’t cut it out, we will impose onerous and unprecedented penalties. One senior U.S. government official briefed on the meeting was told the president said to Putin, in effect: “You f*** with us over the election and we’ll crash your economy.”

But Putin simply denied everything to Obama — and, as he had done before, blamed the U.S. for interfering in Russian politics. And if Obama was tough in private, publicly he played the statesman. Asked at a post-summit news conference about Russia’s hacking of the election, the president spoke in generalities — and insisted the United States did not want a blowup over the issue. “We’ve had problems with cyber-intrusions from Russia in the past, from other counties in the past,” he said. “Our goal is not to suddenly, in the cyber arena, duplicate a cycle escalation that we saw when it comes other arms races in the past, but rather to start instituting some norms so that everybody’s acting responsibility.”

I think the Obama administration should have been tougher with Russia, but they had a strategy and part of it was based on wanting to be fair to Trump. For Obama to openly confront Putin during the election campaign would have inevitable led to public knowledge that the Trump campaign was being investigated by the FBI. 

Loki, what has Trump ever said about Russia interfering in the election and what has he said about preventing foreign interference in 2020?  The only thing I can recall him doing is that he told a tv interview he would accept help from foreign countries , and then later, on July 25 2019 , he did demand such help . 

 
 
 
r.t..b...
3.2.12  r.t..b...  replied to  MUVA @3.2.10    one month ago
almost every anti Trump comment

Agreed, MUVA. The lines have been drawn with the devils of the past in the GOP eyes (Clinton, Obama) vs. the present devil incarnate in the Dems eyes (trump and his acolytes). It will not be resolved until the 2020 election and it will continue past that, as neither side will be satisfied with the result. The only certainty being it will be the ugliest election in our history.

 
 
 
loki12
3.2.13  loki12  replied to  r.t..b... @3.2.9    one month ago

I’m sorry if the 100% accurate description of not anyone’s President offends you, your attitude does explain why some just stay ignorant of the actual facts.

 
 
 
loki12
3.2.14  loki12  replied to  JohnRussell @3.2.11    one month ago

See John, you totally deflected from the fact that he told them to stand down, your problem is you think words are actions, they are just bullshit like the previous presidents actions, I don’t give a shit what someone says, but what they actually do. Like bombing and killing 100’s of Russians in Syria as a response. No talk just action, unlike the Previous administration.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
3.2.15  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  loki12 @3.2.13    one month ago

I read both the articles you linked. You misrepresented what they say. 

I will ask you again, when has Trump said that Russia meddled with the election in 2016 , and did so to help him?

When has Trump offered a plan to prevent any foreign meddling in 2020? Has he publicly warned Russia not to meddle?  I dont recall seeing that. 

The mistake that Obama made was assuming that Clinton was going to win in 2016 and a lot of the "punishment" towards Russia was going to be left to the next administration to do after the 2016 election was over. What Obama didnt anticipate was that Trump would win and do nothing to prevent the interference in the future. 

 
 
 
MUVA
3.2.17  MUVA  replied to  r.t..b... @3.2.12    one month ago

This started under Bush he was pillaged  by the left for 16 years Obama got a pass compared to what the news media the democratic party most college professors said about him. The amount of hate displayed against every Republican is breathtaking.  

 
 
 
loki12
3.2.18  loki12  replied to  JohnRussell @3.2.15    one month ago

I just gave you link on his plans, and he said under oath that he was told to stand down, even you can’t spin that John. Under oath!

 
 
 
JohnRussell
3.2.19  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  loki12 @3.2.18    one month ago

You try to make it sound sinister.  Too many visits to conspiracy sites probably. The Obama administration did not want to escalate a confrontation with Russia at that time because they feared it would become public and be seen as trying to help Clinton. It is right there in the article. The mistake that Obama made was assuming Hillary would win and deal with Russia in the next administration. 

Last chance - when has Trump acknowledged that Russia helped him win and made plans to prevent it from happening again in 2020?  I havent heard any of that yet. 

 
 
 
r.t..b...
3.2.20  r.t..b...  replied to  loki12 @3.2.13    one month ago
your attitude does explain why some just stay ignorant of the actual facts.

Different latitudes, different attitudes, loki. 

 
 
 
Sparty On
3.2.21  Sparty On  replied to  JohnRussell @3.2.3    one month ago

Spin baby spin, fake news inferno, spin baby spin!

To this tune:

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
3.2.22  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  JohnRussell @3.2.19    one month ago
when has Trump acknowledged that Russia helped him win

"I had nothing to do with Russia helping me to get elected.” - Donald J Trump

Even Trump has a hard time keeping up the bullshit narrative the GOP is trying to maintain that Russia didn't actually help Trump and it was really Ukraine helping Hillary. It's really sad to see so many willfully blind themselves so as to not see the facts. It's also funny that on the one occasion Trump actually may have told the truth, the Republicans proclaim he "misspoke" or was "misinterpreted". It's not like there's really any mystery here, we already heard it from the dirty nags mouth.

“President Putin, did you want President Trump to win the election and did you direct any of your officials to help him do that?” - reporter

“Yes, I did. Yes, I did. Because he talked about bringing the U.S.–Russia relationship back to normal.” - tiny man who has to cheat at hockey to feel good about himself "Vladimir the Weak".

The sad thing is Putin is such a sniveling weakling he has to send out hit squads to murder his dissenters, journalists, opposing politicians and defectors instead of just being a better politician and building the peoples trust and admiration, yet our bumbling moron of a President got totally played by him.

 
 
 
loki12
3.2.23  loki12  replied to  JohnRussell @3.2.19    one month ago
The Obama administration did not want to escalate a confrontation with Russia at that time because they feared it would become public and be seen as trying to help Clinton.

I believe the first part because he was Putins bitch, that has already been proven above, as for the bolded part.

Only a fucking moron would believe that, This has been said a lot to you lately, Come on john you are better/smarter than this. Obama didn't want it to look like he was helping Clinton? he fucking campaigned for her as the President of the United States FFS! you can't be that fucking gullible.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/president-obamas-campaign-blitz-hillary-clinton-historic/story?id=43249593

And as for this,

made plans to prevent it from happening again in 2020?  I havent heard any of that yet. 

I've already posted it once, here it is again, or remain ignorant.

Unlike the Previous shithead, Trump is going to be transparrent,

The Trump administration on Friday unveiled a new plan to notify the public of cyberattacks or other interference during the 2020 presidential election.

The new protocols are designed to provide consistency in the notification process for victims and the public after hacks from foreign governments. The plan, which President Trump approved, comes after the federal government has faced accusations of keeping the public in the dark by not releasing enough information about foreign attempts to hack campaigns and election systems.

https://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/469699-trump-administration-unveils-new-plan-for-notifying-public-on-2020

As for response.

https://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/475921-cybercom-mulls-aggressive-tactics-if-russia-interferes-in-next-election

Now of course we fully expect you to completely dismiss this and continue to support the worthless dickhead Russian puppet who did nothing simply because he has a "D" after his name.

 
 
 
lib50
3.2.24  lib50  replied to  loki12 @3.2.7    one month ago

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Nope, due to Trump and the gop.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckjones/2019/01/18/trumps-big-win-the-largest-budget-deficit-with-a-strong-economy/#584721cb49d1

When you take into account how the economy is doing it shows that President Trump’s budget deficits as a percentage of GDP will exceed any other President’s during a time of economic expansion. From the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget or CFRB, the chart’s blue line shows the deficit as a percentage of GDP. At the projected 4.6% for fiscal 2019 it will the be largest in a non-recession year and is expected to stay above this level in the future.

And the red line shows that it will only be worse if the 2017 tax cuts that are scheduled to expire for individuals and the increased 2018 discretionary spending caps are extended.

 
 
 
loki12
3.2.25  loki12  replied to  lib50 @3.2.24    one month ago

And he is still projected to spend less that Odickhead the daft, and once the ACA is ruled unconstitutional, 100 billion will stop going to the states to support votes for democrats.  

Here is the link that proves you wrong again, it is sad how often that happens, the official whitehouse website listing revenue and spending.  if you look, which we know you won't because it will ruin you delusional blame game, you will see that revenue is up not down even with the tax cuts, but wierdly spending went up 400 billion.....the same amount on your chart.

We have a spending problem!!! most intelligent people recognize this.

Here is the link that you wont look at, but someone may not want to remain ignorant and will actually look, this is for them,

https://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/historical-tables/

 
 
 
lib50
3.2.26  lib50  replied to  loki12 @3.2.25    4 weeks ago

PIck a damn link to a spreadsheet. 

I know Trumpers now want to cut SS and Medicare and other programs that help the average American (as opposed to those tax cuts to the top being revoked).  How about cutting wars?  Subsidies to all the biggest corporations (who get the most spoils over the mom and pops)?  Cut congressional salaries and benefits.  Cut all the money going to Trump properties for his never ending golf trips.  Cut the freaking tax cuts that don't help the majority of Americans.  Stop trying to privatize everything so the rich get an even larger percentage of our gdp and its gains.  I know we can cut a lot of waste, but not on OUR backs again.  Start with the money going to private companies in the defense and healthcare areas to start. And I'm not talking about the Obamacare subsidies that help average Americans.  Healthcare is a complicated subject on its own and has to be discussed in the macro sense.

 
 
 
loki12
3.2.27  loki12  replied to  lib50 @3.2.26    4 weeks ago

So you can't figure out which one to pick? Says a lot.

Trot on.......

 
 
 
loki12
3.2.28  loki12  replied to  lib50 @3.2.26    4 weeks ago
Healthcare is a complicated subject on its own and has to be discussed in the macro sense.

And again you show an ignorance on the subject, FFS learn the difference between healthcare and health insurance. Healthcare is what doctors provide between sessions with their nurses in the supply closet, Health insurance is how we pay for it.  take some classes and educate yourself, and come back and try again.

 
 
 
MUVA
3.2.29  MUVA  replied to  lib50 @3.2.26    4 weeks ago

We need to significantly cut the size of government starting  the federal employees.I actually agree with you on cutting staff sizes and air travel for all federal employees congressmen the other thing we can cut is life long secret service protection for multi millionaires presidents.

 
 
 
MUVA
3.2.30  MUVA  replied to  lib50 @3.2.26    4 weeks ago

People keeping the money they earn doesn’t cost you a penny.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
3.2.31  XDm9mm  replied to  lib50 @3.2.26    4 weeks ago
And I'm not talking about the Obamacare subsidies that help average Americans. 

So very typical.

My mom used to have a saying for people like you.  She always noted that they had the following mantra:

"Don't tax me, don't tax me, tax that man behind the tree."

In other words, you want OTHERS to pay for you.  Got it.

 
 
 
WallyW
3.2.32  WallyW  replied to  JohnRussell @3.2.19    4 weeks ago
.....when has Trump acknowledged that Russia helped him win and made plans to prevent it from happening again in 2020?
That alleged help didn't happen. How can it be prevented?

 
 
 
lib50
3.2.33  lib50  replied to  loki12 @3.2.28    4 weeks ago

I specifically said its too complicated to talk about in this seed, and your insults say more about you than anything else.  I've got a degree in Business Admin/Finance so maybe you can take your own advice.  I've also lived under national healthcare in two other countries and know the total bullshit the gop have been pushing for over a decade.  Evidently you do too.

 
 
 
MUVA
3.2.34  MUVA  replied to  lib50 @3.2.33    4 weeks ago

There is no way in fucking hell you have a degree in finance you could show me the diploma and I still wouldn't believe you.From your post on subsidy and big corporations you don't even know the differance  between a right down right off    and a subsidy it's called the tax code.

 
 
 
lib50
3.2.35  lib50  replied to  MUVA @3.2.34    4 weeks ago

I give zero fucks if you believe me, I know what I have, I got it when I was 26 and had gotten married and decided to go back to school after my initial AA degree.  My degree IS a Bachelor of Science degree in Business Administration with a finance option.  You believe a pathological liar.   You don't even know what subsidies I'm talking about and this is not the place to have that in depth discussion.  Take a spelling class before you insult me again.  And we can talk healthcare on a seed about that subject, so study up.  Gop propaganda won't help.

 
 
 
lib50
3.2.36  lib50  replied to  loki12 @3.2.28    4 weeks ago

Piss off with your insults. [Deleted]

 
 
 
MUVA
3.2.37  MUVA  replied to  lib50 @3.2.35    4 weeks ago

I just don't believe for a second you know anything about finance just from your posts over the couple months.It would be  a english class if I was going to take a class.

 
 
 
lib50
3.2.38  lib50  replied to  MUVA @3.2.37    4 weeks ago

Well a couple of econ classes would go a long way with that English class.  

By the way,  I got my degree back when Reagan's trickle down economics was just being implemented and have had a clear view of the results over the following decades.  I did a paper on it because I didn't believe it would work the way they said it would.  Wasn't called Reaganomics yet. 

You don't even read most of the posts, you just knee jerk insult a majority of the time.  No facts, just constant regurgitation of Trump lies and propaganda and personal insults.  

 
 
 
MUVA
3.2.39  MUVA  replied to  lib50 @3.2.38    4 weeks ago

[deleted It] is actually called supply side economics. 

 
 
 
loki12
3.2.40  loki12  replied to  lib50 @3.2.35    4 weeks ago
My degree IS a Bachelor of Science degree in Business Administration with a finance option.

[Deleted] if you are looking to see if receipts have gone down, pick the one that says  Summary of Receipts, Outlays, and surplus's and deficits for the years 1789-2024. this shows the actual figures............Receipts being the operative word.

 
 
 
loki12
3.2.41  loki12  replied to  lib50 @3.2.33    4 weeks ago
I specifically said its too complicated to talk about in this seed,

[deleted]

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.2.42  Texan1211  replied to  loki12 @3.2.40    4 weeks ago

Hey! [Deleted

I linked to that same page when some tried to say Trump has record "deficit spending" and they simply refuse to even look at it!

[Folks, this discussion is getting way too personal.  Dial it back, please.]

 
 
 
loki12
3.2.43  loki12  replied to  Texan1211 @3.2.42    4 weeks ago

You had to use pretzel logic on the definition of deficit spending, If you spend any amount greater that the last highest amount, and have a 1 dollar deficit, according to that paticular poster. you have the highest deficit spending of any poster ever. The twisted pretzel logic their TDS produces is comical. This definition would fit every President in history that ever had a deficit.

 
 
 
loki12
3.2.44  loki12  replied to  loki12 @3.2.40    4 weeks ago

Weird that you hit me and Texan but left Newday insulting MUVA's education.  the very first line in her post was actually insulting.

And a Meta deletion in 3....2....1....

[The entire conversation was full of insults going both ways.  Somehow, at first, only one comment was flagged, and that was lib50's.  Once my attention was drawn to this thread by partisan flagging, I could either ticket all of the skirts, issuing points as I went, or I could issue a no-points ticket to each involved and ask you to behave civilly to each other.  Which would you rather I did?]

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.2.45  Texan1211  replied to  loki12 @3.2.43    4 weeks ago

Amen!

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lib50
3.2.46  lib50  replied to  MUVA @3.2.39    3 weeks ago

You know, I just read another insult from you, thinking you are correcting me.  And you get a big [deleted.]   I dumb things down for Trumpers with every post for a reason. 

 
 
 
Kathleen
4  Kathleen    4 weeks ago

Looks like unemployment went down, doesn't that help all people get jobs?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
4.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Kathleen @4    4 weeks ago

Kathleen, over the past few years Donald Trump has repeatedly retweeted from white supremacists. He tried to spread false information about interracial crime on twitter. Less than a decade ago he was the leader of a racist conspiracy that tried to allege that the first black president of the United States wasnt really an American. 

Do you really think blacks should or will vote for Trump because more low paying job opportunities have appeared for them? 

 
 
 
MUVA
4.1.1  MUVA  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1    4 weeks ago

I can answer yes I can tell more and more blacks I know are going to vote for him.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
4.1.2  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  MUVA @4.1.1    4 weeks ago
I can answer yes I can tell more and more blacks I know are going to vote for him.

Not a surprise. 

 
 
 
Snuffy
4.1.3  Snuffy  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1    4 weeks ago
Do you really think blacks should or will vote for Trump because more low paying job opportunities have appeared for them? 

There are a lot of people who vote based on kitchen table issues. Historically if jobs are plentiful, the economy is good, it's easier to put food on the table and keep a roof over your head a lot of people will tend to vote for the current administration.  So yeah,  it might be a larger amount that will vote for Trump in November.

 
 
 
Kathleen
4.1.4  Kathleen  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1    4 weeks ago

Low wages are better then no wages. You can always work your way up, if you have the work ethics to do it. That is the biggest challenge of all. 

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
4.1.5  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Kathleen @4.1.4    4 weeks ago

Hi and Happy New Year. I found this read to be quite telling on the wage debacle................

" When Seattle began raising its minimum wage five years ago, local burger joint Dick's Drive-In experienced an unintended effect.

Its employees opted to work fewer hours as their wages rose , a tall order in a tight labor market.

"We thought with higher wages it would be easier to get people to take more hours, but it's been the opposite," said Jasmine Donovan, president of Dick's. She added that the company has had to raise prices for the first time in its history because of the cost of labor alone, whereas in the past, food costs drove such hikes"

Gee, I wonder why they would opt to basically make the same money as before by cutting their hours? Well one school of thought is they may lose the low income bennies they now have. Ready, shoot, aim.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/seattle-passed-a-dollar15-minimum-wage-law-in-2014-heres-how-its-turned-out-so-far/ar-BBYybG7?li=BBnb7Kz

 
 
 
Kathleen
4.1.6  Kathleen  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @4.1.5    4 weeks ago

Happy New Year to you too Jim..

Thank you for the information.

 
 
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