Iraq Tells Trump GTFO After Soleimani Strike

  
Via:  krishna  •  3 weeks ago  •  85 comments

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Iraq Tells Trump GTFO After Soleimani Strike
On Sunday, just days after the U.S. strike that killed the powerful Iranian military commander Qassem Soleimani, the Trump administration got its first real taste of international pushback. The Iraqi parliament voted to oust American troops from the country

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On Sunday, just days after the U.S. strike that killed the powerful Iranian military commander Qassem Soleimani, the Trump administration got its first real taste of international pushback. The Iraqi parliament voted to oust American troops from the country and Tehran announced that it would pull completely out of its obligations under the 2015 nuclear deal.

The pushback didn’t come in the form of a targeted strike on a major American outpost or U.S. service member, but combined, the two events served as a wakeup call for officials in Washington who for days had tried desperately to manage the fallout of the Soleimani strike, with some describing it as an act to “advance the cause of peace.”

President Donald Trump’s truculent response? Threaten Iraq with sanctions if it expels U.S. troops: “If they do ask us to leave, if we don’t do it in a very friendly basis, we will charge them sanctions like they’ve never seen before ever. It’ll make Iranian sanctions look somewhat tame.”


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Krishna
1  seeder  Krishna    3 weeks ago

The Iraqi parliament voted to oust American troops from the country.

President Donald Trump’s truculent response? Threaten Iraq with sanctions if it expels U.S. troops: “If they do ask us to leave, if we don’t do it in a very friendly basis, we will charge them sanctions like they’ve never seen before ever. It’ll make Iranian sanctions look somewhat tame.”

Its been obvious for some time that our Chicken-Hawk-in-Chief's been mentally ill. But unfortunately his condition has gotten much worse as of late. :-(

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
1.1  al Jizzerror  replied to  Krishna @1    3 weeks ago

When we leave Iraq, ISIS will return.

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
1.1.1  Thrawn 31  replied to  al Jizzerror @1.1    3 weeks ago

So Trump failed?

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
1.1.2  al Jizzerror  replied to  Thrawn 31 @1.1.1    3 weeks ago
So Trump failed?

We are getting kicked out of Iraq so Trump is threatening them with sanctions.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
1.1.3  Ozzwald  replied to  al Jizzerror @1.1    3 weeks ago
When we leave Iraq, ISIS will return.

Return faster.  ISIS has already started rebuilding after Trump abandoned the Kurds.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
1.1.4  Ozzwald  replied to  al Jizzerror @1.1.2    3 weeks ago

We are getting kicked out of Iraq so Trump is threatening them with sanctions.

What do you expect, Trump is the definition of a "one trick pony".

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Sparty On
1.1.5  Sparty On  replied to  al Jizzerror @1.1    3 weeks ago

What are you worried about? 

They are only the JV team after all.

 
 
 
Krishna
1.1.6  seeder  Krishna  replied to  al Jizzerror @1.1.2    3 weeks ago
We are getting kicked out of Iraq so Trump is threatening them with sanctions

Obviously the Iraqis are not too fond of us...why?

 
 
 
Ronin2
1.1.7  Ronin2  replied to  Ozzwald @1.1.3    3 weeks ago

Prove it. Seriously. 

That is Syria, not Iraq. Guess what we are still in Syria! We just reduced our footprint. We now occupy the Northern Syrian oil fields- which is really pissing off their government.

The Turks didn't wipe out the Kurds in Syria. The Syrian Kurds are now allied with the Syrian government, Russians, and Iranians. None of those factions are going to allow ISIS/ISIL to return.

As for Iraq. We never should have gone back in the first place. The Iraqi government is loyal to Iran. Iraq now has how many thousands of Iranian militias (sorry meant terrorists) running around their country? Think Iran or the Iraqi government wants to see ISIS/ISIL come back? Think they won't fight them? OK, maybe the Iraqi government will roll over and play dead again; but the Iranian militia and Iraqi Kurds are made of sterner stuff.

What about our damn allies. You know that the British and French were supposed to pick up the slack in Syria; but when the time came they beat us to the damn door. We are protecting their interests in Iraq, not ours. It is about time our NATO allies stepped up and pulled their own weight.

Who really gives a damn if ISIS/ISIL comes back in Iraq or Syria. Outside of the Kurds (only the Iraqi Kurds deserve our support), let them kill each other off. They have been doing it for thousands of years before we came along. They will be doing it once we depart Iraq and Syria (If we ever do).

So much damn hyperbole and disinformation. The sheer amount of BS being spread is staggering.

 
 
 
Ronin2
1.1.8  Ronin2  replied to  Krishna @1.1.6    3 weeks ago

Let me see.

How many times have we bombed them into oblivion? At least twice with Bush Sr & Bush Jr, and several hit and runs with Clinton.

How many civilians have we killed? Google it, it isn't pretty even by conservative estimates.

If that was all I wouldn't really blame them; but they held a grudge against the US long before we did anything to them.

1) Fundamentalist radical Sunni (ISIS/ISIL) can't stand the US. They would be out to destroy us no matter what. We leave them alone they will still be trying to kill us.

2) Fundamentalist radical Shai (loyal to Iran) can't stand the US. They would be out to destroy us no matter what. We leave them along they will still be trying to kill us.

Thankfully they hate each other far more than us; so let them get back to killing one another already. It is what they desperately want!

As for the sanctions. Go ahead. The Iraqi government is not holding up their end in protecting US personnel or our embassy. Yet we are the ones that freed them from Saddam; and saved their asses from ISIS/ISIL. We have rearmed and retrained their damn military twice! Yet their loyal to Iran. 

 
 
 
Krishna
1.1.9  seeder  Krishna  replied to  Ronin2 @1.1.7    3 weeks ago
We now occupy the Northern Syrian oil fields

I'm wondering...how many more countries will our Chickenjawk president send American kids into?

What's next? 

 
 
 
Krishna
1.1.10  seeder  Krishna  replied to  Ronin2 @1.1.7    3 weeks ago
What about our damn allies.

Good point.

The only ones in the area that we have been able to count on have been the Kurds and the israelis.

Our Chickenhawk Neocon-in-Chief has screwed over the Kurds... so I wouldn't be surprised if its only a matter of time before he decides on a whim to f*ck over the Israelis as well...

 
 
 
Tacos!
1.1.11  Tacos!  replied to  Krishna @1.1.9    3 weeks ago
I'm wondering...how many more countries will our Chickenjawk president send American kids into? What's next? 

We already have troops deployed in 150 different countries . Trump didn't do that. That's old news.

 
 
 
Ronin2
1.1.12  Ronin2  replied to  Krishna @1.1.9    3 weeks ago

Excuse me?

Syria is Obama's debacle. Trump was trying to get our troops out of Syria and faced a withering attack from Neocons on both sides; and the newly minted chicken hawks on the left.

The sheer amount of "Trump is betraying the Kurds" BS was endless. 

My only criticism with Trump is he didn't follow throw, and only reduced our footprint in Syria.  He caved to pressure from the military, state department, intelligence agencies, and Congress.

The Syrian government has told us repeatedly to get out; and we are still there. W/O a single legal leg to stand on should we be attacked. I doubt we will leave Iraq either- even if they demand we go.

 
 
 
Ronin2
1.1.13  Ronin2  replied to  Krishna @1.1.10    3 weeks ago
Our Chickenhawk Neocon-in-Chief has screwed over the Kurds... so I wouldn't be surprised if its only a matter of time before he decides on a whim to f*ck over the Israelis as well...

First off see post 3.1.3.

Not all Kurds are created equal. Syrian Kurds are a different faction than the Iraqi Kurds. Many of the Syrian Kurd factions are designated as terrorists by both Turkey and the US. The even fight among themselves for territory and power.

Funny how no one thought Bush Jr/Obama were abandoning the Iraqi Kurds when Bush Jr signed the SOFA agreement to remove US forces; and Obama followed through on it after the Iraqi government rejected his offer to keep 10,000 troops there for as long as they desired.

Secondly, show me one time that Trump has screwed over Israel? Just once? He moved the US Embassy to Jerusalem. He has signed onto Bibi's plan for peace with the Palestinians of "Jordan is Palestine". He is going to allow Israel to keep all of their West Bank settlements in any peace deal. If anyone should be feeling betrayed by Trump it is the Jordanians.

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.1.14  Tessylo  replied to  Thrawn 31 @1.1.1    3 weeks ago
'So Trump failed?'

At everything, his whole fucking life.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.1.15  Tessylo  replied to  Ronin2 @1.1.8    3 weeks ago

So you've admitted that tRump is there to steal their oil.  

Got it!

 
 
 
Krishna
2  seeder  Krishna    3 weeks ago

Sunday’s maelstrom and new developments were not entirely unexpected by Trump’s national security brass or his war planners.

Shortly before he ordered Thursday’s fateful, potentially world-altering attack, the president was briefed on a menu of possible consequences if Soleimani were slain.

According to two administration officials, one of the listed potential consequences was attacks on U.S. military personnel abroad—and another was the Iranian regime deciding to amp up its nuclear program.

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
3  al Jizzerror    3 weeks ago

Before Trump droned Soleimani, many Iraqis hated that Iranian asshole.  

Trump has turned Soleimani into a fucking Shia martyr. 

 
 
 
Donald J. Trump fan 1
3.1  Donald J. Trump fan 1  replied to  al Jizzerror @3    3 weeks ago

If they actually move from that non binding vote to actually demand we leave then we could let Iraq divide itself up into Shia, Sunni, and Kurd sections and remain in the Kurd and Sunni sections. That would block transit between Iran and Syria/Lebanon and prevent a return of ISIS.  Then Iraqi Shias can decide themselves if they want independence or to be a satellite of Iran.

 
 
 
Krishna
3.1.1  seeder  Krishna  replied to  Donald J. Trump fan 1 @3.1    3 weeks ago
If they actually move from that non binding vote to actually demand we leave then we could let Iraq divide itself up into Shia, Sunni, and Kurd sections and remain in the Kurd and Sunni sections

You are forgetting that our Chickenhawk-in-Chief betrayed some of our best allies (the Kurds) when we pulled out and deserted them! :-(

 
 
 
dennis smith
3.1.2  dennis smith  replied to  Donald J. Trump fan 1 @3.1    3 weeks ago

On this we disagree.

Tome to get out of the entire ME and let happen there what happens there. This was a conflict just like Vietnam, designed to line the pockets of politicians and those individuals and corporations who have supported them. 

 
 
 
Ronin2
3.1.3  Ronin2  replied to  Krishna @3.1.1    3 weeks ago

Again. The Syrian Kurds are not the same as the Iraqi Kurds!

https://mepc.org/syrian-and-iraqi-kurds-conflict-and-cooperation

Moving on to the present-day situation in Rojava, Syria, it is argued below that while the PKK, PYD and YPG are indeed strongly interlinked, they are not the same organization. They share a similar political understanding based on Ocalan's writings, and individual members might move between parties. Furthermore, the PKK's armed wing, the Hezen Parastina Gel (HPG), is training the YPG and maybe even fighting with them. Nonetheless, the PYD and PKK are different entities. This fact is again essential when considering possible support. On a simple legal level, the difference matters. Unlike the PKK, 4 neither the PYD nor YPG has ever been on any Western list of terror organizations, also unlike the Iraqi-Kurdish Kurdistan Democratic Party (KDP) and Patriotic Union of Kurdistan (PUK), which the West is heavily supporting. 5

This difference is also more important on a deeper level. Due to its history and nature, the PKK has always been an elitist organization that tolerates little or no deviation from its official line. Operating as a guerrilla organization in harsh mountains and with limited communication requires a certain level of uncompromising rigor. The PYD, by contrast, is active in large heterogeneous urban and rural areas where it operates in alliance with various other political parties, religions and ethnicities. The PYD is working within a parliamentary system with other parties and governing over a million people, not all of whom are sympathizers. This forces them into pragmatic compromises that guerrillas in the mountains do not need to make. Recent PYD meetings in Dohuk with opposing parties representing a more Western and Iraqi-Kurdish style of democracy serve as evidence of the ability and willingness of the PYD to compromise. 6 Planned elections, something potential Western allies should encourage, will further balance Ocalan's relatively strict paradigm with Western forms of democracy. 7

This also affects the status of YPG/YPJ forces as effective proxies on the ground in Syria, which Western powers are currently looking for. The PYD is a political party, while the YPG/YPJ is the armed forces of Rojava. Indeed, the YPG/YPJ is closely tied to the PYD, especially when it comes to the command structure of the armed forces. The YPG/YPJ is supported not only by the PYD but by a variety of parties and individuals. Instead of being seen as a one-party militia, the YPG/YPJ prefers to defend the theory of "democratic confederalism." This includes several other parties (although there might be a large number of locals right now who would support any army that is fighting IS). The PYD more recently signaled its willingness to respect another force besides the YPG/YPJ in Rojava, prehaps an attempt to legitimize democratic rule there. In particular, this refers to a Peshmerga-trained shadow army of the Syrian-Kurdish opposition parties based in an area between Fish Khabour and Dohuk in Iraqi Kurdistan.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-29702440

The Kurds that you try to lump together have fought each other several times.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-iraq-kurds-sinjar/rival-kurdish-factions-clash-in-northwestern-iraq-idUSKBN16A0HV

Rival Kurdish groups clashed in Iraq’s northwestern Sinjar region on Friday, two Kurdish security sources said.

The deadly fighting erupted when Peshmerga Rojava forces moved towards the border with Syria, encroaching on territory controlled by a local affiliate of the Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK).

The unrest highlights the risk of conflict and turf war between the multiple forces arrayed against Islamic State, many of which lean on regional patrons for political support and arms.

The Peshmerga Rojava is made up of Kurds from Syria and was formed and trained in Iraq with the backing of Masoud Barzani, president of the Kurdish Regional Government in northern Iraq.

Friday’s clashes, which lasted several hours, pitted them against the YBS, which was set up there by the PKK after it came to the aid of the Yazidi population when the area was overrun by Islamic State in the summer of 2014.

“There are martyrs and wounded on both sides,” one security source said.

The war with Islamic State has enabled Kurds to expand their territory and influence in both Iraq and Syria, but it has also heightened competition amongst them, particularly in the Sinjar region.

The PKK’s foothold in the area has put it on a collision course with Barzani’s Kurdistan Democratic Party (KDP), which is aligned with Turkey and counts Sinjar as part of its territory.

Turkey is at war with the PKK. On Friday, foreign minister, Mevlut Cavusoglu on Friday said the group posed “a threat against the legitimate regional government in Northern Iraq and they are used by some countries against the current administration there.”

“It’s our duty to destroy these terrorist organizations wherever they are,” the minister told reporters in Ankara.

Another PKK affiliate has been in control of Kurdish territory in northeast Syria on the border with Turkey since the civil war between forces loyal and opposed to President Bashar al-Assad.

That group, the PYD, has repeatedly denied entry to the Peshmerga Rojava.

In a statement on Friday, the YBS said the fighting began when the Peshmerga Rojava tried to seize its positions in Khanasor. The YBS accused Turkey of instigating the violence.

“It is a totally provocative initiative,” the YBS said.

Most Yazidis are still displaced from their homes, but some families who returned to Sinjar fled again on Friday, including a 19-year from the town of Khanasor where the clashes took place.

“It’s a struggle between two political parties but the victims are the Yazidis,” he said on condition of anonymity. “Aren’t they supposed to be fighting Daesh (Islamic State)? Let them go and get rid of them.”

Reporting by Isabel Coles in Erbil and Tulay Karadeniz in Ankara; Editing by Richard Lough an

 
 
 
Krishna
3.1.4  seeder  Krishna  replied to  dennis smith @3.1.2    3 weeks ago
Tome to get out of the entire ME and let happen there what happens there. This was a conflict just like Vietnam, designed to line the pockets of politicians and those individuals and corporations who have supported them. 

Exactly.

And those wealthy indivdiuals and corporations are major contributors to the Trump campaign-- so the chances of him stopping his support of the endless Middle eastern wars are slim to done!

(Politicians of both parties have supported these wars...and these no reason to expect a Chickenhawk like Trump to stop... :-(

 
 
 
Ronin2
3.1.5  Ronin2  replied to  Krishna @3.1.4    3 weeks ago
Exactly.

And those wealthy indivdiuals and corporations are major contributors to the Trump campaign-- so the chances of him stopping his support of the endless Middle eastern wars are slim to done!

(Politicians of both parties have supported these wars...and these no reason to expect a Chickenhawk like Trump to stop...

Wow, I agree with some of what you said; but TDS drowned out most of it.

1) Those wealthy individuals and corporations were major contributors to all previous US presidents regardless of party. If you look at campaign contributions they wanted Hillary over Trump because she was sure to be better for the war profiteers.

2) Those same contributors hit up both sides of Congress as well.

3) If Trump is a Chicken Hawk- what does that make Obama? Trump involved the US in far more wars, dropped far more bombs, and caused far more collateral damage. 

4) Trump tried to remove troops from Syria. Look at the amount of backlash he received from all sides. So much that he caved and simply reduce our footprint there. Just imagine if he tries to remove troops from Iraq or Afghanistan. Those war profiteers are spending their political capital well.

 
 
 
WallyW
3.2  WallyW  replied to  al Jizzerror @3    3 weeks ago
Trump has turned Soleimani into a fucking Shia martyr. 

Evidence?

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
3.2.2  al Jizzerror  replied to  WallyW @3.2    3 weeks ago
Evidence?

There are demonstrations in Iran, Iraq, Pakistan, Kashmir, etc.

This demonstration is in Iraq (where anti-Iran demonstrations took place about a week ago).

 
 
 
Krishna
3.2.3  seeder  Krishna  replied to  WallyW @3.2    3 weeks ago
Trump has turned Soleimani into a fucking Shia martyr. 
Evidence?

You really should keep up with the news....

(Remarks like that don't exactly make you look good here on NT)

 
 
 
dennis smith
3.2.4  dennis smith  replied to  al Jizzerror @3.2.2    3 weeks ago

Demonstrations in the ME against America have been going on for decades. This is not news so get off your Hate Trump rhetoric

 
 
 
Ronin2
3.2.5  Ronin2  replied to  al Jizzerror @3.2.2    3 weeks ago

In other words just another typical day in radical Shai places.

 
 
 
Krishna
3.2.6  seeder  Krishna  replied to  WallyW @3.2    3 weeks ago
Trump has turned Soleimani into a fucking Shia martyr. 
Evidence?

I never thought you'd ask!

Iran cancels Soleimani ceremony in Tehran after massive turnout in second city

Mourners flood Mashhad and elsewhere as general’s casket makes its way to capital, with Guards hailing ‘million-man presence of the revolutionary people’

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“Considering the glorious, intense and million-man presence of the revolutionary people of Mashhad in the ceremony to bid farewell to Islam and Iran’s great general Qassem Soleimani and since the program is still continuing… it is not possible to hold the event in Tehran,” the Guards said.

 
 
 
Sparty On
3.3  Sparty On  replied to  al Jizzerror @3    3 weeks ago

Bullshit .... if they hated him then, they still hate him now.   That shit doesn't just magically happen because you want it to.

Leave it to the left to try and elevate another murderous POS to martyr status.

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al Jizzerror
3.3.1  al Jizzerror  replied to  Sparty On @3.3    3 weeks ago
Leave it to the left to try and elevate another murderous POS to martyr status.

Trump elevated "another murderous POS to martyr status" by killing him.

 
 
 
MUVA
3.3.2  MUVA  replied to  al Jizzerror @3.3.1    3 weeks ago

So?

 
 
 
MUVA
3.3.3  MUVA  replied to  al Jizzerror @3.3.1    3 weeks ago

So?

 
 
 
Sparty On
3.3.4  Sparty On  replied to  al Jizzerror @3.3.1    3 weeks ago

You've got no answers that work the problem in a better direction.   None that hunt in the real world.    That and you don't have the slightest idea what was behind the decision to frag this POS.   All you got is a visceral hatred for Trump.   Nothing more .....

Sad beans for you there buddy, very sad beans!

 
 
 
Tessylo
3.3.5  Tessylo  replied to  MUVA @3.3.3    3 weeks ago

That's the most coherent thing you've said in quite some time.  

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
3.3.6  al Jizzerror  replied to  MUVA @3.3.3    3 weeks ago
So?

So Sparty On said:

Leave it to the left to try and elevate another murderous POS to martyr status.

I pointed out:

Trump elevated "another murderous POS to martyr status" by killing him.

Your "so so" comments don't change that.

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
3.3.7  al Jizzerror  replied to  Sparty On @3.3.4    3 weeks ago
You've got no answers that work the problem in a better direction.

I just said "Trump has turned Soleimani into a fucking Shia martyr."

First you tried to blame "the left" and now you're just spewing bullshit.

 
 
 
katrix
3.3.8  katrix  replied to  Sparty On @3.3.4    3 weeks ago
That and you don't have the slightest idea what was behind the decision to frag this POS

Knowing Trump, it's a safe assumption that it had nothing to do with our intelligence community's analysis, or anything resembling weighing the pros and cons of various responses. Most likely he saw the protesters at the embassy and, being an insecure egomaniac, decided he had to do something to "look strong."

Or, since he brags about going only by his gut, maybe he had indigestion from too many Big Macs and diet sodas.

 
 
 
Sparty On
3.3.9  Sparty On  replied to  al Jizzerror @3.3.7    3 weeks ago

Try to concentrate Jizzy ...... do you have an answer to the problem at hand or not?   Are you saying Trump wacking the guy is your answer or are you just playing a little NV mafia reindeer game here.

My money is on the latter.

[Do not change other members' names without their permission. Only warning.

 
 
 
Sparty On
3.3.10  Sparty On  replied to  katrix @3.3.8    3 weeks ago

Unlike some of the other folks in here, hacking away at Trump just for the sake of hacking, you post some good stuff here from time to time but i'm afraid you're biases are getting the best of you on this one katrix.

You don't have the slightest idea either .....

 
 
 
katrix
3.3.11  katrix  replied to  Sparty On @3.3.10    3 weeks ago

Oh, I admit that I don't have the slightest idea. And I honestly don't know whether or not it was a good idea to take this guy out. Every action we take in the Middle East seems to backfire.

But I still like my guesstimates as to why he did it, and I wouldn't be at all surprised if my first idea is true, based on his past actions. He openly disparages our intelligence community, refuses to listen to his security briefings, and brags about ignoring all experts and going by his gut. So it's a pretty safe assumption that it wasn't particularly well thought out on his part, whether or not it was the right thing to do. He also hates to think he's looking "weak" so it's not too far out to wonder if the protests were what set his ego off.

 
 
 
bugsy
3.3.12  bugsy  replied to  al Jizzerror @3.3.1    3 weeks ago
Trump elevated "another murderous POS to martyr status" by killing him

So what? Every POS we have taken out over there has been elevated to "martyr " status.

This one is just as dead a martyr as the rest.

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
3.3.13  al Jizzerror  replied to  Sparty On @3.3.9    3 weeks ago
Try to concentrate Jizzy ...... do you have an answer to the problem at hand or not?

Thanx for the personal insult (a CoC violation).

What's YOUR fucking "answer to the problem"?

I just said " Trump has turned Soleimani into a fucking Shia martyr."

I don't even know what fucking "problem" you're referring too.

Am I supposed to bring Soleimani back to life?

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dennis smith
3.3.14  dennis smith  replied to  katrix @3.3.8    3 weeks ago

Assumptions, most likely comments, too many big macs? 

WOW - really

 
 
 
Sparty On
3.3.15  Sparty On  replied to  al Jizzerror @3.3.13    3 weeks ago
Thanx for the personal insult (a CoC violation).

Nah but if you really feel that strongly about it, report it and quit whining like a little school girl scorned.    Otherwise grow a thicker skin.    Oh wait, you already did .... what a badass!    Good job!

What's YOUR fucking "answer to the problem"?

Lol answer my question first


I just said "
Trump has turned Soleimani into a fucking Shia martyr.I don't even know what fucking "problem" you're referring too.

Trump did no such thing but a shitload fundamentalist Islamic crackpots thank you for your sentiments.     Giving aid and comfort to the enemy.    Good job!


Am I supposed to bring Soleimani back to life?

WTF ..... do you want to?

 
 
 
Krishna
3.3.16  seeder  Krishna  replied to  katrix @3.3.8    3 weeks ago
Knowing Trump, it's a safe assumption that it had nothing to do with our intelligence community's analysis, or anything resembling weighing the pros and cons of various responses. Most likely he saw the protesters at the embassy and, being an insecure egomaniac, decided he had to do something to "look strong." Or, since he brags about going only by his gut, maybe he had indigestion from too many Big Macs and diet sodas.

Knowing Trump... its obvious that one of his favourite techniques of confronting negative coverage is...not confronting it!

he's obviously been upset by all the negative coverage of the Impeachment hearings. Heck-- just by the very fact that in all of history he's only the 3rd president to be impeached!

And one of his main actions when facing negative publicity-- is distraction.

Creating a crisis to divert attention away...

So what could be a better way than by murdering an Iranian hero!

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
3.3.17  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Tessylo @3.3.5    3 weeks ago

Twice.

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
3.3.18  al Jizzerror  replied to  Sparty On @3.3.15    3 weeks ago
Nah but if you really feel that strongly about it, report it and quit whining like a little school girl scorned.    Otherwise grow a thicker skin.    Oh wait, you already did .... what a badass!    Good job!

That's a fucking lie.

I have never flagged a comment on NT and I never will.

Your juvenile insult just shows everyone the type of person you are.

Go ahead and call me names, tough guy.  I won't flag any of your stupid comments.

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
3.3.19  al Jizzerror  replied to  Sparty On @3.3.15    3 weeks ago
Trump did no such thing but a shitload fundamentalist Islamic crackpots thank you for your sentiments.     Giving aid and comfort to the enemy.    Good job!

Trump made Soleimani a Shia martyr when he killed him.

When I state the obvious it does NOT "give aid and comfort to the enemy".

That is YOUR ridiculous assumption.

 
 
 
Sparty On
3.3.20  Sparty On  replied to  al Jizzerror @3.3.18    3 weeks ago

Still whining I see .... the big show on the internet .... trying to show off for your NT mutual admiration society.

You bad ..... still haven’t answered my question yet but you aren’t really interested in coming up with answers are you?    You’re much better at simply whining.

 
 
 
Tessylo
3.3.21  Tessylo  replied to  Sparty On @3.3.20    3 weeks ago

Speaking of whining . . . 

 
 
 
Sparty On
3.3.22  Sparty On  replied to  Tessylo @3.3.21    3 weeks ago
Speaking of whining

Yes agreed, you do it so well.

 
 
 
Tessylo
3.3.23  Tessylo  replied to  al Jizzerror @3.3.7    3 weeks ago
'First you tried to blame "the left" and now you're just spewing bullshit.'

That's all she has.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
3.3.24  Tessylo  replied to  katrix @3.3.11    3 weeks ago
'He openly disparages our intelligence community, refuses to listen to his security briefings, and brags about ignoring all experts and going by his gut.' Speaking of that: Yahoo News

Defending strike on Iranian general, Trump allies embrace U.S. intel agencies

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After years of decrying a “deep state” that was attempting to undercut the White House, President Trump and his allies have embraced the U.S. intelligence community in the wake of their strike on a top Iranian general.

The “deep state” can be loosely defined as the unelected national security bureaucracy of the government, including secret military and intelligence agencies. Trump has  railed against it repeatedly  over the past few years, blaming it for the investigations into his campaign and presidency. But his administration is now relying on intelligence community findings to justify its strike on Iranian Gen. Qassem Soleimani last week, which it has said  was done to prevent an “imminent” threat.

“The risk of doing nothing was enormous. Intelligence community made that assessment and President Trump acted decisively last night,” Secretary of State Mike Pompeo told CNN Friday.

A host on “Fox & Friends,” which Trump watches and often live-tweets, said Monday that the information used to justify the strike on Soleimani shouldn’t be questioned.

“I find it so interesting that people are critical of the president’s decisions, of our intelligence community’s decisions, of our general’s decisions,”  said host Ainsley Earhardt.

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Sean Hannity and the “deep state.” (Photo illustration: Yahoo News; photos: AP, Hélène Desplechin via Getty Images, Getty Images)

“They want details,” interjected her co-host Steve Doocy.

“Well, they can’t have it!” replied Earhardt. “Everything can’t be made public.” 

On Tuesday, White House press secretary Stephanie Grisham told Fox News she found it “really unfortunate” that people were questioning the intel that led to attack.

Fox News host Sean Hannity, who also serves as an unofficial adviser to the president, has spent most of Trump’s presidency railing against government agencies for plotting against the current White House occupant, including hosting  a “deep state” special episode . After the strike on Soleimani, he changed his tune.

“The ability of the military, our intelligence community, the State Department and the president making the call, very quickly, you know, understood that the Iranian forces on the ground bore a direct threat to the American people,”  said Hannity last week . “Once the intelligence was confirmed, once the understanding that they were there to sow the discord and discontent, the president acted as quickly as possible, taking out this top general.

“But I will say the big headline is, this is a huge victory for American intelligence, a huge victory for our military, a huge victory for the State Department and a huge victory and total leadership by the president,” added the Fox News host.

Even Tucker Carlson, the Fox News host whose show precedes Hannity’s in the network’s primetime lineup, noted how quickly the conversion had happened.

“Just the other day, you remember, our intel agencies were considered politically tainted and suspect,” Carlson said on his show Monday evening, adding, “It seems like about 20 minutes ago we were denouncing these very people as the ‘deep state’ and pledging never to trust them again without verification. But now, for some reason, we do seem to trust them implicitly and completely.”

 
 
 
Krishna
3.4  seeder  Krishna  replied to  al Jizzerror @3    3 weeks ago
Before Trump droned Soleimani, many Iraqis hated that Iranian asshole.   Trump has turned Soleimani into a fucking Shia martyr. 

Yes. And the consequences go beyond that.

As anyone who's kept up with current events is aware,,,there have been anti-government protests in Iran as of late. But now the killing of Solemani has turned many of those protestors into solidarity with other Iranians....they are united in their outrage over a person they see as an iranian hero.

Nice going trump! (/sarc)

 
 
 
Tacos!
4  Tacos!    3 weeks ago

Ok but this:

The Kurds, and many Sunni members of parliament, did not show up for the vote, which can be construed as a de facto show of support for the U.S. position.

And this:

The vote cannot be implemented by Abdul-Hadi’s caretaker government

So it all sounds pretty meaningless.

But hey, if Iraq wants to be Iranian territory, be my guest and good luck with that.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
4.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  Tacos! @4    3 weeks ago
The vote cannot be implemented by Abdul-Hadi’s caretaker government

I wonder why that’s not the lede...

 
 
 
Tacos!
4.1.1  Tacos!  replied to  Sean Treacy @4.1    3 weeks ago

Yeah, why isn't the headline "Handful of Iraqis cast meaningless, unenforceable vote to eject US?"

According the Wall Street Journal , only 167 of the 328-member parliament were there to vote. And apparently they're all - or mostly all - Shiites so they tend to be pro-Iran. The rest are all Kurds and Sunnis, who boycotted the event.

 
 
 
Sparty On
4.1.2  Sparty On  replied to  Tacos! @4.1.1    3 weeks ago

Stop using facts.  

They are very inconvenient to the TDS based narrative being used here

Their mother-ship hates it when you do that ..........

 
 
 
Ozzwald
4.2  Ozzwald  replied to  Tacos! @4    3 weeks ago
Ok but this:
The Kurds, and many Sunni members of parliament, did not show up for the vote, which can be construed as a de facto show of support for the U.S. position.

Have to disagree with that position.  I know it wasn't your quote, but voting NO on the resolution would be a sign of support for the U.S..  Not showing up for the vote says that they do NOT support the U.S. position, but are not willing to go so far as to support Iran either.

 
 
 
Krishna
4.2.1  seeder  Krishna  replied to  Ozzwald @4.2    3 weeks ago
Have to disagree with that position.  I know it wasn't your quote, but voting NO on the resolution would be a sign of support for the U.S..  Not showing up for the vote says that they do NOT support the U.S. position, but are not willing to go so far as to support Iran either.

Shhhh...

He's made up his mind...don't confuse him with the facts!

 
 
 
Ronin2
4.2.2  Ronin2  replied to  Ozzwald @4.2    3 weeks ago
Have to disagree with that position.  I know it wasn't your quote, butvoting NO on the resolutionwould be a sign of support for the U.S..  Not showing up for the vote says that they do NOT support the U.S. position, but are not willing to go so far as to support Iran either.

No. Showing up and voting no would have put those politicians in the cross hairs of those very same Iranian Militias. Or do you think the Iraqi government would suddenly grow a pair and stop those terrorists from reprisal killings? They sure as hell didn't protect those Iraqi civilians protesting the government.

Don't let common sense get in the way of TDDDDS.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
4.2.3  Ozzwald  replied to  Ronin2 @4.2.2    3 weeks ago
No. Showing up and voting no would have put those politicians in the cross hairs of those very same Iranian Militias.

So you are saying that the Iraqi politicians that support the U.S. are all cowards?  They couldn't have "phoned in" their vote?  They couldn't have made their beliefs known?

Must be nice to live in a world where everyone shares your beliefs unless they stand up and specifically say otherwise.

 
 
 
Krishna
4.3  seeder  Krishna  replied to  Tacos! @4    3 weeks ago
The Kurds, and many Sunni members of parliament, did not show up for the vote, which can be construed as a de facto show of support for the U.S. position.

So what?

The Kurds, of all the groups in Iraq, have always supported the U.S.!

(So therefore it should come as no surprise that our Chickenhawk-in-Cheif betrayed them by pulling out of their areas in Syria, leaving them open to massacres by the Turks).

or have you conveniently forgotten that?

 
 
 
Tacos!
4.3.1  Tacos!  replied to  Krishna @4.3    3 weeks ago

Maybe they don't feel as betrayed as you think they do.

 
 
 
Tessylo
4.3.2  Tessylo  replied to  Tacos! @4.3.1    3 weeks ago
'Maybe they don't feel as betrayed as you think they do.'

Unfuckingbelievable.  

 
 
 
Ronin2
4.3.3  Ronin2  replied to  Tessylo @4.3.2    3 weeks ago

Yes, it is unfuckingbelievable that people still aren't informed enough to know that there are several factions of Kurds. While they all share a common goal they don't agree on the means of accomplishing it. They fight among themselves regularly for territory and power. 

The Iraqi Kurds would not appreciate being lumped in with the Syrian Kurds.

 
 
 
Sparty On
4.3.4  Sparty On  replied to  Ronin2 @4.3.3    3 weeks ago

Yep you got the Hatfield & McCoy Kurds, the Roadrunner and Coyote Kurds, the Tom and Jerry Kurds, etc, etc  .....

 
 
 
Krishna
4.4  seeder  Krishna  replied to  Tacos! @4    3 weeks ago
But hey, if Iraq wants to be Iranian territory,

That's quite an overgeneralization!

While you might not be aware of it, Iraq is comprised mainly of three very different groups-- Sunni Arabs, Shia Arabs, and Kurds. And they don't all think alike! 

The majority of Shia Iraqis support the Shia nation of iran-- the majority of the other two groups don't!

(The newstalkers...the possibility exists..to "get smarter here'...)

 
 
 
Tacos!
4.4.1  Tacos!  replied to  Krishna @4.4    3 weeks ago
While you might not be aware of it

I am very aware of it. The quote in my comment points out that the vote was not any kind of unanimous referendum. For my information, see my comment @4.1.1.

 
 
 
bbl-1
5  bbl-1    3 weeks ago

And once again Trump, the US president, has given Putin's Russia another opportunity to expand it's military and economic influence in the Middle East.

Russia supports Iran and that is no accident.  I wonder if this was discussed at Helsinki too?

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
5.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  bbl-1 @5    3 weeks ago

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bbl-1
5.1.1  bbl-1  replied to  Sean Treacy @5.1    3 weeks ago

Why?  Is there something I said that is not true?

If so, point it out.

 
 
 
sixpick
5.1.2  sixpick  replied to  bbl-1 @5.1.1    3 weeks ago

Remember the Alamo, I mean Crimea (2014) and Libya.(2011).  And we didn't even get a terrorist out of the deal.

 
 
 
Tacos!
5.2  Tacos!  replied to  bbl-1 @5    3 weeks ago

So, is your theory here that we killed an important Iranian to make Russia happy?

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
5.2.1  Thrawn 31  replied to  Tacos! @5.2    3 weeks ago

Maybe, but either way the Russians will probably take advantage.

 
 
 
sixpick
5.2.2  sixpick  replied to  Thrawn 31 @5.2.1    3 weeks ago

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bbl-1
5.2.3  bbl-1  replied to  Tacos! @5.2    3 weeks ago

No.  My comment is merely on probable geopolitical realignments in the ME.

 
 
 
loki12
6  loki12    3 weeks ago

Sigh.................FFS try to educate yourselves before you embarrass yourselves further.  The abject retardation of the headline.

          "Iraq Tells Trump GTFO After Soleimani Strike"

For those who aren't ate up with the dumbass due to their TDS.     What actually happened.

The move is largely symbolic, as it sets no timetable for withdrawal and is subject to Iraqi Prime Minister Adel Abdul Mahdi’s approval.

But parliament’s resolution amounts to a symbolic measure, as the current caretaker government doesn’t have the legal power to carry it out, Farhad Alaaldin, former advisor to Iraqi President Barham Saleh tells TIME. “It would be up to the new government to take this forward,” said Alaaldin,

The News has lied to the left again and they believed it.  We are going to have to change an age old saying,

Fool me once: Shame on you

Fool me twice: Shame on me.

Fool me over and over and over, I am a TDS suffering liberal fool who refuses to learn.

https://time.com/5759101/iraqi-parliament-vote-for-us-withdrawal/

 
 
 
Krishna
6.1  seeder  Krishna  replied to  loki12 @6    3 weeks ago
The move is largely symbolic

Yes-- it's definitely an indication of their sentiment re: the U.S.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
7  Paula Bartholomew    3 weeks ago

The general's daughter summed it up nicely......crazy Trump.

 
 
 
It Is ME
8  It Is ME    3 weeks ago

"Tehran’s announcement about its nuclear program Sunday indicated that the efforts Iran and the United States made in recent months to discuss the possibility of negotiations had all but evaporated."

Such a "Threat". jrSmiley_19_smiley_image.gifjrSmiley_103_smiley_image.jpg

Trump pulled us out of that "Non-Binding" Nuclear thingy in 2018. jrSmiley_97_smiley_image.gif

It's 2020.....isn't it ? jrSmiley_87_smiley_image.gif

"And the Iraqi vote in parliament, although nonbinding"

Ouch ? jrSmiley_84_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
9  Jeremy Retired in NC    3 weeks ago

Lets see.  When Iraq told the US to get out under Obama the Democrats lauded it as "Obama ended the war in Iraq".  Wonder if they'll extend the current President the same accolades.  

 
 
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