Trump’s ignorance has created an international crisis

  
Via:  john-russell  •  2 weeks ago  •  26 comments

Trump’s ignorance has created an international crisis
The danger posed by that ignorance is matched daily by the crises created by Trump's own erraticism. His performance as commander in chief has been shaped by a collection of scattered grievances, emotional impulses and random tweets. As the Financial Times's Philip Stephens has said of Trump's foreign policy, 'Looking for a framework is like searching for symmetrical patterns in a bowl of spaghetti.'

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During the early morning hours of Sept. 15, 1950, Gen. Douglas MacArthur would lead U.S.-troops on the most audacious amphibious landing in U.S. history. The assault at Inchon in South Korea was viewed beforehand as being so reckless that the Joint Chiefs of Staff dismissed the proposal out of hand. 'We drew up a list of every conceivable and natural handicap,' one naval officer remembered later, 'and Inchon had them all.'

To succeed, U.S. troops would have to navigate their way through a tortuous, heavily fortified channel before facing some of the most deadly tides in Asia. With U.S. soldiers pinned down on the southeastern tip of the Korean Peninsula, failure at Inchon could have led to total defeat in Korea.

MacArthur's arrogant belief in his own infallibility allowed him to see opportunity where others saw only peril. But the legendary general brought more than a bloated ego to battle; he also carried with him a mastery of military history and, with it, the knowledge of Japan's successful 1904 landing at the same treacherous port. That insight served MacArthur well and reversed, almost overnight, the grim trajectory of America's so-called Forgotten War.

President Trump's decision last week to assassinate the most powerful military figure in the Middle East was, likewise, audacious. But unlike MacArthur at Inchon, Trump likely did not grasp the gravity of his decision. How could he? The former reality-TV star has long been ignorant of world history and current events. During a 2015 interview, then-candidate Trump did not even know who Maj. Gen. Qasem Soleimani was. After prompting, Trump mistakenly identified the Iranian general as a Kurdish commander. Once Trump's ignorance was revealed, the frustrated candidate weakly attacked the interviewer for 'throwing around names of people and where they live.'

The danger posed by that ignorance is matched daily by the crises created by Trump's own erraticism. His performance as commander in chief has been shaped by a collection of scattered grievances, emotional impulses and random tweets. As the Financial Times's Philip Stephens has said of Trump's foreign policy, 'Looking for a framework is like searching for symmetrical patterns in a bowl of spaghetti.'

This is, after all, a president who spent last summer withholding military aid from a besieged democratic ally while pressuring its leaders to investigate a political opponent. Then, stepping in front of a bank of White House cameras, he asked the same of China. Trump also declared himself 'The Chosen One' while embracing the title of 'King of Israel,' ordered American companies to leave China, manipulated U.S. markets by lying about phone calls with leaders of that same country and canceled bilateral meetings with a NATO leader because she refused to sell Greenland.

Trump's increasingly erratic behavior received much attention at the time, with the Associated Press's Jonathan Lemire and Zeke Miller noting in July that the United States' foreign policy had become unmoored after Defense Secretary Jim Mattis, Director of National Intelligence Daniel Coats and others were driven from the administration. Jeffrey Goldberg, editor of the Atlantic, followed with an article appropriately titled 'He's Getting Worse,' in which he glumly noted that 'there is no reason to hope that he will reform. His followers reward his radicalism and his handlers are among the most cynical figures in American political history.'

We now find ourselves living through a time when those same administration officials are providing reckless counsel to an ignorant and erratic president. Though he shares MacArthur's sense of infallibility, Trump spends most of his waking hours showing the world just how fallible he is. Critics have long warned of a time when this fatally flawed man would be forced to confront an international crisis.

That time has arrived and it is a crisis of Trump's own making.

Soleimani was a malevolent force on the world stage. But so, too, is Kim Jong Un. Will the North Korean dictator be next on the president's kill list? What of Syria's Bashar al-Assad? He is responsible for more deaths than any Arab leader since Saddam Hussein. And what stabilizing impact did the Iraqi tyrant's death have on the region?

Contrary to the vows of candidate Trump, it is likely that the killing of Soleimani will now only deepen U.S.-involvement in a region that has already claimed too many American lives. With Russia firmly ensconced in Syria, Iraqi discontent on the rise and Iran's nuclear program restarted, expect more Americans to die across the Middle East in the coming years. With his audacious attack, Trump has further isolated the United States from its allies, provided a lifeline to Iran's terrorist regime and broken yet another of his campaign promises.

Inchon this is not.


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JohnRussell
1  seeder  JohnRussell    2 weeks ago
The former reality-TV star has long been ignorant of world history and current events. During a 2015 interview, then-candidate Trump did not even know who Maj. Gen. Qasem Soleimani was. After prompting, Trump mistakenly identified the Iranian general as a Kurdish commander. Once Trump's ignorance was revealed, the frustrated candidate weakly attacked the interviewer for 'throwing around names of people and where they live.'
 
 
 
Vic Eldred
2  Vic Eldred    2 weeks ago

It wouldn't be that Iran, which is suffering under economic sanctions is trying to take advantage of the faux impeachment and this being an election year?

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
2.1  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Vic Eldred @2    2 weeks ago

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Ronin2
2.2  Ronin2  replied to  Vic Eldred @2    2 weeks ago

I don't know why. All they have to do is listen to the US media and the Democrats in Congress to know exactly how divided the US is. Iran can present themselves as a leverage tool against Trump.

What better time for Iran to try and push for an advantage. 

I am sure they are hoping for one of the Democratic candidates to win the presidency and return things to Bush Jr and Obama normal. Where they can kill and attack a few US assets here and there; without the worry of serious reprisal.

Wonder if Iran will be stupid enough to voice support for any of the Democratic candidates?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
2.2.1  Vic Eldred  replied to  Ronin2 @2.2    2 weeks ago
I don't know why. All they have to do is listen to the US media and the Democrats in Congress to know exactly how divided the US is.

That is a very important point. Don't think the Russians didn't see how the democratic party pitted one race against another for decades. They all learned how to play the game. Iran, China and North Korea are hoping for another democrat in November.

What better time for Iran to try and push for an advantage. 

This is the time. No matter how Trump responds it should hurt politically. If he wins the election they will be screwed!


I am sure they are hoping for one of the Democratic candidates to win the presidency and return things to Bush Jr and Obama normal. Where they can kill and attack a few US assets here and there; without the worry of serious reprisal.

Iran truly became a regional power during the 8 years of Obama. Iran won't be like Iraq, but fortunately Trump won't be like Obama.


Wonder if Iran will be stupid enough to voice support for any of the Democratic candidates?

Funny thing....they are selling them out right now:

https://thenewstalkers.com/vic-eldred/group_discuss/7468/irans-foreign-minister-threatens-to-expose-western-diplomats-who-took-bribes-to-create-the-iran-nuclear-deal?g=15

Perhaps they thought progressives should have done more to oppose the Trump sanctions? Payback is a bitch!

 
 
 
Nerm_L
3  Nerm_L    2 weeks ago

More Americans dying across the Middle East is unnecessary.  We only need to withdraw.  The status quo isn't accomplishing anything.

Trump, as usual, has changed the status quo.  That's the international crisis.  The United States has directly attacked Iran.  The Iranian Revolutionary regime must respond or lose power; Trump has not given them any other choice.  More of the same isn't going to be enough.  This is a test of Iran's national resolve.  State sponsored terrorism won't be enough; that's a craven response to a direct attack on the regime.  If the Iranian government responds with terrorism then any terrorist organization, such as ISIS, can replace the regime.  Iran would become embroiled in civil war.  The government must respond directly to demonstrate that government has authority and capability to defend Iran.

Like it or not, Trump has placed himself on the front line.  Trump has made himself a target for Iranian revenge.  Unlike past Presidents, Trump has more to lose since his international businesses are vulnerable.  Trump has established a test of will between himself and Hassan Rouhani.  Trump has as much or more to lose than does Rouhani.

The status quo in the Middle East is not accomplishing anything.  The United States has been trying to fight a war while wearing manacles.  That didn't work in Korea and didn't work in Vietnam.  The Middle East has become another American quagmire.  It's time to change the status quo.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
3.1  Nerm_L  replied to  Nerm_L @3    2 weeks ago

Hasn't anyone been paying attention?  Trump drew a red line after directly attacking the Iranian Revolutionary regime.  Trump has forced Iran to respond.  The status quo has not been to provoke and then draw a red line.  Trump's lack of conformance to the established status quo is what has created an international crisis.  

Trump hasn't threatened to remove a rogue government; there hasn't been a threat of regime change.  Trump has threatened to do to Iran what Iranian state sponsored terrorism has been doing to others.

Trump's threat against cultural sites wasn't motivated by ignorance.  That's what Iranian state sponsored terrorism does.  Trump has threatened to play the game according to Iran's rules.  Trump has threatened to fight state sponsored terrorism with state sponsored terrorism.  That's the game changer; that breaks the status quo.

The Iranian Revolutionary regime will have to defend itself from the Iranian people when confronted with state sponsored terrorism.  Trump has not threatened Iran with a geopolitical struggle; Trump has threatened Iranian state sponsored terrorism with an existential crisis.  How will terrorists fight terrorism? 

 
 
 
loki12
4  loki12    2 weeks ago

And all the sheep bleat in unison: How about an original thought?

Trump’s Ignorance Has Created An International Crisis

About 3,850,000 results

What are the Odds that this piece of floatsam will surpass the mindless bleating of......"Trump has created a Constitutional crisis" that the left incessantly bleated for days?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
4.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  loki12 @4    2 weeks ago
The danger posed by that ignorance is matched daily by the crises created by Trump's own erraticism. His performance as commander in chief has been shaped by a collection of scattered grievances, emotional impulses and random tweets. As the Financial Times's Philip Stephens has said of Trump's foreign policy, 'Looking for a framework is like searching for symmetrical patterns in a bowl of spaghetti.'
 
 
 
loki12
4.1.1  loki12  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1    2 weeks ago

Sniff, Sniff.   Obama drops 26,171 bombs on 7 countries in 2016, trump drops 1 bomb on a terrorist and exposes the leftest media as unamericamn fucktards.  He is way more efficient than Obama if nothing else. He made the left anti war again with 1 bomb, Obama couldn't do it with 26,000+

 
 
 
JohnRussell
4.1.2  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  loki12 @4.1.1    2 weeks ago

You do know that Trump has dropped more than one bomb as president, don't you? 

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Split Personality
4.1.3  Split Personality  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.2    2 weeks ago

https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-ramped-up-drone-strikes-in-americas-shadow-wars

(old article)

Drone strikes

Bush 57

Obama 563  about 70 a year

Trump ( up to November 2018 ) 238    119 per year     'winning' jrSmiley_13_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
bugsy
4.1.4  bugsy  replied to  Split Personality @4.1.3    2 weeks ago

Apples to oranges. Obama had 8 years to do those attacks, Trump is on year 4.

Very easy to reduce those strikes over the next 5 years and be way below what Obama did.

 
 
 
Split Personality
4.1.5  Split Personality  replied to  bugsy @4.1.4    2 weeks ago

Well we don't even have statistics yet for 3 full years, not 4, but hey...

Very easy to reduce those strikes over the next 5 years and be way below what Obama did.

Ok that's a possibility, but please read this whole article without judging anyone. They are just facts.

This contrasts with media reports that Trump is ordering substantially more drone strikes than Obama. For example, the BBC claims that “there have been 2,243 drone strikes in the first two years of the Trump presidency, compared with 1,878 in Mr. Obama’s eight years in office,” citing BIJ data.

Here’s why it’s a mistake: The Bureau of Investigative Journalism started tracking drone strikes in Afghanistan in 2015. As an official war zone, Afghanistan is typically classified separately from the drone campaign, because the U.S. military operates openly and has more strategic options. The vast majority of the 2,243 strikes attributed to Trump took place there.

https://warontherocks.com/2019/04/trump-cancels-drone-strike-civilian-casualty-report-does-it-matter/

What's that old adage about, lies, damnable lies and statistics? jrSmiley_82_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Ronin2
4.1.6  Ronin2  replied to  Split Personality @4.1.5    2 weeks ago

So, Trump is continuing the pattern of escalation started by Obama. 

Did you bitch about Obama's use of drones or air strikes?

But Trruuummmmppppp!!!!!!!

 
 
 
Split Personality
4.1.7  Split Personality  replied to  Ronin2 @4.1.6    2 weeks ago

Did you read the article Ronin?  i believe it is pro Trump.

But Obammmmma!!!!!!! jrSmiley_82_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
bugsy
4.1.8  bugsy  replied to  Split Personality @4.1.5    2 weeks ago

Where did I judge anyone? I simply said Trump could drastically reduce drone strikes over the next 5 years, bringing his numbers far below Obama.

Even if Trump does have more strikes, as of today, the number for killing Americans in drone strikes is...

Obama 1

Trump 0

 
 
 
Split Personality
4.1.9  Split Personality  replied to  bugsy @4.1.8    one week ago

Ok pls forgive me this rant but I'm personally sick & tired of this Obama killed an American nonsense.>

"Reportedly" Al Awlaki was born in Denver CO. He is also reportedly born in New Mexico and Sool'ya Yemen.

Why then did he obtain a dead persons birth certificate and SSN in 1993 to obtain a US Passport to travel to Yemen under the assumed name. 

Why when he arrived in Yemen did he travel to Grandfathers village to get a Yemen passport claiming he was born in that village in Yemen.

Why did he use his new Yemen passport to return to the US?

How in 1996 did he have the name, DOB, SSN and place of birth corrected under suspicious circumstances????

Al Awlaki had a personal problem and was arrested in both San Diego CA and Falls Church VA frequenting prostitutes and fell for several sting operations.

While the Iman in San Diego 2 of his congregants were terrorists who died in the 911 attack.

While Iman in Falls Church he recruited 3 more terrorists for the 911 attack

He recruited and instructed the Underwear Bomber. There is  actually a long list of atrocities where the perps were inspired by this asshole.

I read that he performed the funeral for Nidal Hassan's mother in 2001

and in when contemplating conscientious objector status before deploying to Afghanistan, Hassan began a brief email correspondence with Al Awlaki for several weeks before the Fort  Hood shooting. After the shootings Al Awlakie congratulated him, lamenting if only he had been better at killing American soldiers.

AlAwlaki joined Baltimore's Samir Khan in Yemen and started the terrorist handbook website "Insider"and published a 16 page pamphlet on how to be a good jihadist with just about anything around you, especially knives, cars and trucks.

These two assholes inspired a wave of unconventional terror attacks.

The Boston Bombers, The shoe bomber, the underwear bomber, the Charlie Hedbo attackers all carried Awlaki CD's, pamphlets or links to Insider on their cell phones.

Multiple US institutions investigated A;l-Awlaki for passport fraud from 1993 to 2003 when they dropped charges of prostitution because they were viewed as entrapment.

Apparently sometime in the late 90's Awlaki applied for SSN disability and listed his birth place as Yemen. Here comes the FBI again, but Alwalaki says he misunderstood the question jrSmiley_72_smiley_image.gif and the original passport case had expired due to the statute of limitations jrSmiley_30_smiley_image.gifjrSmiley_42_smiley_image.gif so they closed all cases.  Mind you this was AFTER 911 !!

Awlaki must have thought his god smiled upon him biggly.

Eventually someone compiled all of this and realized just what we were dealing with.  In 2009 AlAlwaki was condemned in abstention by a Yemen court for passport fraud and terrorism, wanted "Dead or Alive" with a bounty payable by the US embassy.

The US revoked his passport.  Through the Yemen "network" word was spread that AlAwaki could obtain safe passage to the US embassy to either revoke his US ( or Yemen) citizenship, or accept a one way ticket to the US to face unspecified cjharges.

No one was surprised when he did not show up or communicate although he continued to preach on Insider.

6 months later when Alwaki's  convoy was incinerated,

Samir Khan " I am proud to be a traitor to the US" was sitting by his side.

So was the one "American" person the Obama Admin targeted really an American with a legally obtained valid passport?

Was he really entitled to our rights?

Or was he only entitled to what he ultimately got, the final sleep.

As someone who attended the empty casket funerals of two WTC funerals and one Pentagon funeral

I have no empathy for the piece of shit who had a part in taking the lives from 3300 fellow Americans.

Call me BITTER.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/crime/terrorists-inspired-by-whoremaster-awlaki-786452

https://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2019/12/analysis-islamic-state-claims-attack-in-london-by-al-qaeda-inspired-terrorist.php

https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB529-Anwar-al-Awlaki-File/

https://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/homegrown-terrorist-inspired-al-qaeda-convicted/story?id=14031362

https://nationalyemen.com/2013/12/07/state-department-seizing-u-s-passports-in-yemen/

Again apologies for the rant jrSmiley_82_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
MUVA
4.1.10  MUVA  replied to  Split Personality @4.1.9    one week ago

I feel the same way about the piece of shit Trump killed seeing the aftermath of IED bombing in Iraq it was time for the piece of shit to be incinerated 10 years ago. 

 
 
 
charger 383
4.1.11  charger 383  replied to  Split Personality @4.1.9    one week ago

He was an enemy of the USA and deserved what he got

 
 
 
Split Personality
4.1.12  Split Personality  replied to  charger 383 @4.1.11    one week ago

Agreed.

 
 
 
Split Personality
4.1.13  Split Personality  replied to  MUVA @4.1.10    one week ago

Agreed

 
 
 
Ozzwald
4.1.14  Ozzwald  replied to  MUVA @4.1.10    one week ago
I feel the same way about the piece of shit Trump killed seeing the aftermath of IED bombing in Iraq it was time for the piece of shit to be incinerated 10 years ago. 

But why did Trump lie about it then?  If it was deserved and needed to be done, why all the lies about imminent attacks?

 
 
 
bugsy
4.1.15  bugsy  replied to  Ozzwald @4.1.14    one week ago

Were you in on the briefing?

Do you know for sure whether there were imminent attacks or not?

Hell, this guy has been attacking American troops and innocent civilians for decades. One can be sure there will be yet another imminent attack.

I thought the 3 day mourning thing was over days ago.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
4.1.16  Ozzwald  replied to  bugsy @4.1.15    one week ago
Were you in on the briefing?

Nope.  But others were and they have spoken about it.

Do you know for sure whether there were imminent attacks or not?
  • Trump, Pompeo, and a couple administration people said there were up to 4.
  • Pentagon says that they have no such intelligence.
  • Trump announced it on FoxNews, and his story has gone from 1 embassy to 4.
  • There was no info given to Congress, in their briefing, about any embassy being targeted.

Do I know for sure?  No, but it appears to be another Trump lie.

Hell, this guy has been attacking American troops and innocent civilians for decades.

So?  Add him to the list with hundreds of others.

One can be sure there will be yet another imminent attack.

Yup, Trump's singular act of trying to force us into war has not minimized the danger at all, in fact it most likely increased that danger.  Glad you understand that.

I thought the 3 day mourning thing was over days ago.

Depends, I don't know what you are mourning.

 
 
 
It Is ME
5  It Is ME    2 weeks ago

What is this new  "Honest Crises" the "Left" thinks Trump all of a sudden got started ?

 
 
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