Deputies: Worker fatally stabs Trump-loving boss in fight

Via:  john-russell  •  one month ago  •  25 comments

Deputies: Worker fatally stabs Trump-loving boss in fight

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A worker with anti-government views fatally stabbed his Trump-supporting boss at a highway construction site and placed an American flag next to the body after they got into a political argument, deputies in Florida said Tuesday.


Mason Toney, 28, was charged with first-degree murder for the killing of William Knight on Monday, according to an arrest affidavit from the Orange County Sheriff's Office.

Co-workers told investigators that Toney and Knight were friends outside of work despite their political differences. Knight was an “outspoken American" who was "pro-Donald Trump," while co-workers described Toney as “anti-government and very outspoken in his beliefs that the government is bad and out to get him," according to the arrest affidavit. 

Workers at the Florida Turnpike construction site in metro Orlando told detectives that Knight had picked up Toney for work and they had been driving to different job sites when they began arguing. After arriving at the Turnpike site, the workers heard Knight yelling for help by an excavator. They ran over and saw Toney standing over Knight, stabbing him with a trowel, according to the arrest affidavit.

The other workers said they tried to stop Toney by throwing items at him, but he moved towards them with what they thought was a knife. He then jumped into a truck and took off. As he drove away, he called his co-workers terrorists, according to the affidavit.

Next to Knight's body, the co-workers found an American flag and the flag's packaging, the affidavit said.

Deputies in a neighboring county apprehended Toney several hours later.

Online court records did not list an attorney who could comment on Toney's behalf. No bond was set and he remained at the Orange County Jail.


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1  seeder  JohnRussell    one month ago

Don't mess with those anti-government types, even if you are MAGA. 

1.1  MUVA  replied to  JohnRussell @1    one month ago

Wow just wow.

1.1.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  MUVA @1.1    one month ago

I agree. It is a shame that people get so violent over politics, especially co-workers. 

Buzz of the Orient
1.1.2  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.1    one month ago

One would have to be completely obtuse to not have seen this coming.  As I've predicted, the increasing vehemence over Trump and the widening of the partisan gap is bound to lead to more extreme violence between the advocates of both camps.  Throwing people out of restaurants was just a step along the way.  But as the saying goes: "You ain't seen nothin' yet" - if in fact Trump is re-elected. 

1.1.3  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @1.1.2    one month ago

Buzz, I agree that heated rhetoric can lead to violence, no matter what the political ideology of the parties involved.  However, it does not appear that the perpetrator in this case is from "the left".  The killer is said to have been "anti-government" and that generally does not describe the left, although there are a few leftist anarchists. 

No, it is much more likely the killer is anti government from the right , or perhaps just crazy. 

Buzz of the Orient
1.1.4  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.3    one month ago


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1.1.5  WallyW  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @1.1.4    one month ago


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Dean Moriarty
2  Dean Moriarty    one month ago

Relax you big, bloated, intrusive government lovers this probably won’t go down in the history books like the shot heard around the world. The country isn’t ready for revolution with these prosperous and peaceful times under Trumps command. 

3  Tacos!    one month ago
They ran over and saw Toney standing over Knight, stabbing him with a trowel, according to the arrest affidavit.

With a TROWEL?


Buzz of the Orient
3.1  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Tacos! @3    one month ago

Pushed wi th some force between the ribs can sever a heart, don't you think?


3.1.1  Tacos!  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @3.1    one month ago

Sure, but it sounds terribly painful. Nothing like being “stabbed” with a giant, blunt blade. **shudder**

3.1.2  cjcold  replied to  Tacos! @3.1.1    one month ago

The trowels I use for archeological digs are extremely sharp.

3.2  r.t..b...  replied to  Tacos! @3    one month ago
With a TROWEL?

I guess that makes him a first degree mason.

4  PJ    one month ago

Well it appears those who are actually anti government are realizing that the maga followers aren't.  It's been a big fat lie riddled with corruption and an anti American agenda.  

Oh well......

Dean Moriarty
4.1  Dean Moriarty  replied to  PJ @4    one month ago

Everyone knows that or he would have shut the government down instead of signing the ridiculous spending bills congress keeps sending to him. Unfortunately most people think big government is good for America. The tea partiers and freedom caucus are the minority. 

Sparty On
4.1.1  Sparty On  replied to  Dean Moriarty @4.1    one month ago

Too many Americans do love their free stuff.   I mean why worry right?   Just kick the can down the road and let someone else deal with the snowballing debt.

With nearly 50% of Americans not funding the Feds main tax revenue source (FIT) not enough people have a dog in the hunt to care.   This "let someone else pay for it" mentality is not going to end well for the poor saps who eventually get stuck with the bill.

4.1.2  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Sparty On @4.1.1    one month ago
Who owns the huge and growing U.S. national debt? By and large, Americans. Some 70% of the national debt is owned by domestic government, institutions investors and the Federal Reserve. A shade under 30% is owned by foreign entities, according to the latest information from the U.S.   Treasury .
As long as the US can print it's own money, and have it accepted world wide, this issue is not critical. I think everyone in power, including Trump, knows this, and this is why he is not concerned with running up the national debt. 
It is mainly a political talking point. 
Sparty On
4.1.3  Sparty On  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.2    one month ago

Nah, the bottom line it IS simply kicking the can down the road on future generations.   Both parties have shown no desire to stop spending.   Budgets cuts are a virtually impossibility to make today so the only solution will be to ultimately raise taxes to pay for it.

Many think that's a good thing.   They won't if and when their own taxes go up but as long as it doesn't affect them personally, they are good with it.

Nothing responsible about that.   Nothing at all.

4.1.4  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Sparty On @4.1.3    one month ago

As long as the US can print its own money, it will NEVER default on the national debt.  The world will end first. 

Dean Moriarty
4.1.5  Dean Moriarty  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.2    one month ago

That’s a crock. The Germans could print their own money and history has proven how harmful the hyperinflation can be. The wheelbarrows full of money to buy a loaf of bread wasn’t a joke. It’s now happening in Venezuela.

4.1.6  XDm9mm  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.4    one month ago
As long as the US can print its own money, it will NEVER default on the national debt.

Wow...    But if the dollar in YOUR pocket isn't worth the paper it's printed on, exactly how will you or anyone be able to use it?  You better check your history JR.    Hyperinflation is not a good thing.  Look at Germany and Venezuela.

4.1.7  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Dean Moriarty @4.1.5    one month ago
America doesn't have "debt" at all; it has "sovereign debt", and honestly, the two are so different that there really should be a different word.

"Sovereign Debt" refers to the fact that, in addition to spending money and collecting taxes, the U.S. government is also the issuer of currency. Dollars are an exchangeable certificate, a kind of legal document, that are created by our government so that we can have a currency, do business, and in general have an economy. I'm referring to paper dollar bills,  but also "dollars" in bank accounts, which in reality are just numbers in a computer (the vast majority of dollars in the world are merely these numbers). Dollars have no inherent value (the paper itself is worth very little); instead, they have value because our government accepts them to cancel any debt you have to the government (taxes are the most obvious and common debt a person can have to the government). Also, dollars are legally empowered to cancel any debt between two individuals (this is what it means when the dollar bill says "Legal Tender for All Debts, Public and Private"). So the government creates "dollars", and legally empowers them as debt-canceling certificates. This gives them value, because all economic transactions involve at least a temporary debt. You create a debt when you put a box of Cheerios in your cart at the supermarket; you then cancel that debt when you give the cashier some dollars, and you walk out of the store "square" again.

So all U.S. government debt is in dollars... and dollars are the thing that our government creates at will. This is a very different dynamic than owing someone a bar of gold, which you would then have to work or trade for if you wanted to cancel your debt. Our government has infinity dollars, because it has the legal authority to create dollars; this is the source of the maxim that "Government checks don't bounce."

So the debt *doesn't* matter in the sense that we might run out of dollars, or somehow be unable to repay the debt, or even that it would be difficult to repay the debt. In fact, the debt is being repaid constantly! And none of us even notice! That's because the way we account for debt is through something called a Treasury Security, a government certificate that is redeemable for a certain amount of dollars. Any time the U.S. goes "into debt", the Treasury issues one of these Securities, and they are auctioned off for a certain amount of dollars (somewhat less than they will be redeemable for). When the time period (anywhere from 30 days to a year) is up, the person who bought it cashes it in for a slightly greater amount than they paid; a safe and predictable investment. In this process, dollars and Treasury Securities (both are types of government "money") are freely created and destroyed as a routine part of conducting the transactions. There's nothing particularly monumental about these acts; in reality its just a matter of adjusting the quantities stored inside the computer (where most dollars live). So while we think of the debt as this giant, ever-expanding IOU, in fact its constantly being repaid and then re-created. Since both dollars and treasury securities are essentially created out of thin air, there is no growing pressure or problem related to the quantity of money being exchanged; it grows as our economy grows.

The debt *does* matter in some ways, but these aren't what one would expect. The debt is a record of the growth of the money supply; whenever the government "gives out" (spends) more than it "takes in" (taxes), the total amount of money out in the economy increases. And there are various good and bad outcomes associated with growing the money supply. Growing it too fast creates inflation, too slow creates deflation and stagnation. So it's an important indicator in Monetary Policy, which is the maintenance of the currency that the government creates. But that's a subtle and complicated topic; in the general sense, the debt doesn't matter because, as I said, it's not really debt.
Sparty On
4.1.8  Sparty On  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.7    one month ago

"Debt" matters.   Especially when congress gets in the habit of operating in a Budget Deficit all the time.   Each year that happens it adds to the National Debt and ilke i said, sooner or later the debt comes due.

Budget surpluses are possible and congress can and has operated budget surpluses not long ago in the late 90's and early 2000's.   Along the way wars, natural disasters, terrorist attacks, bailouts, stimulus acts and debt crisis have all worked to derail a balanced budget.

We should demand a balanced budget in all but the most extreme circumstances.   The current thinking of "acceptable debt" is a dangerous long term trend for the future of this country.   Dangerous indeed.

4.1.9  XDm9mm  replied to  Sparty On @4.1.8    one month ago
Each year that happens it adds to the National Debt and ilke i said, sooner or later the debt comes due.

Come on Sparty....  per JR, all we need to do to fix that little problem is, well, print more money.   Of course the only problem with that is that eventually even the provider of the paper it's printed on won't accept them as payment and will demand other forms of compensation.  Gold, Silver, precious gems all come to mind.

Sparty On
4.1.10  Sparty On  replied to  XDm9mm @4.1.9    one month ago

Time to feed the pig ..... the Federal pig and right now that swine is Hogzilla!


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