Trump Outlines Mideast Peace Plan That Strongly Favors Israel

  
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Trump Outlines Mideast Peace Plan That Strongly Favors Israel

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President Trump released his Middle East peace plan, giving Israel most of what it wants and requiring concessions Palestinians will likely reject.



Tuesday, January 28, 2020 12:58 PM EST


Mr. Trump’s plan would create what he called a Palestinian state with limited sovereignty, and would guarantee that Israel have control of a unified Jerusalem as its capital and not require it to uproot any of the settlements in the West Bank.

“My vision presents a win-win for both sides,” Mr. Trump said at a White House ceremony beside Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, but no counterpart from the Palestinian leadership, which is not on speaking terms with the Trump administration.


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JohnRussell
1  seeder  JohnRussell    2 months ago

Three years and a DOA peace plan. 

Trump said his son in law Kushner would make peace in the M.E., or no one could. 

Which one is this, lol. 

 
 
 
Donald J. Trump Fan #1
1.1  Donald J. Trump Fan #1  replied to  JohnRussell @1    2 months ago

President Trump  on Tuesday called for a two-state solution to resolve the  Israeli-Palestinian conflict , as he unveiled the details of his administration’s much-awaited Middle East peace plan.

Trump announced the proposal alongside Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu during remarks in the East Room of the White House.

"My vision presents a win-win situation for both sides," Trump said. "Today Israel has taken a giant step toward peace."

He later tweeted a map of the proposed State of Palestine.... https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-middle-east-peace-plan-includes-two-state-solution-tunnel-to-connect-west-bank-and-gaza-strip

 
 
 
Dulay
1.1.1  Dulay  replied to  Donald J. Trump Fan #1 @1.1    2 months ago

Look at the fucking map Xx. It states: 

All Muslims who come in peace will be welcome to visit and pray at the Al-Aqsa Mosque. 

Not even you can think that the Palestinians are going to give up the Al-Aqsa Mosque. 

Oh and then look at the fact that Israel gets ALL of the land along the Black Sea. Read that to mean, NO WATER. 

Seriously, I suggest that you go to google maps and take a look at the pictures of the area that Trump labels as the 'High tech manufacturing industrial zone' and the 'Residential and agricultural area'. There is NO FUCKING WATER there. It's an EMPTY desert. Not even the Israelis inhabit or cultivate it. 

Here's a lovely picture of the 'residential and agricultural zone':

512

 
 
 
r.t..b...
1.1.2  r.t..b...  replied to  Donald J. Trump Fan #1 @1.1    2 months ago
President Trump  on Tuesday called for a two-state solution

Odd that the two-state solution was indeed concocted by two-states, but excluding one of the parties directly impacted. And then they are expected to acquiesce to the 'solution', even if when not involved in the negotiations.

Sounds like an arranged marriage where the 'lesser' partner has absolutely no say and is somehow obliged to adhere to the arrangement. Backwards then, a recipe for further confrontation going forward. (not excusing previous behavior from the any of the players in this scenario)

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
1.1.3  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Dulay @1.1.1    2 months ago

Please pardon my ignorance of Geography, but can you point out to me exactly where Israel has ever bordered the Black Sea?  Maybe you meant Lake Ontario. 

 
 
 
Dulay
1.1.4  Dulay  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @1.1.3    2 months ago

Dead Sea, my bad. 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
1.1.5  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Dulay @1.1.4    2 months ago

LOL.  I knew that - I was just kidding you.  Actually I'd be surprised if they could use the Dead Sea water for drinking water - they could use it to pickle cucumbers.  I've tried to swim in the Dead Sea, it's impossible - all you can do is float on top of it.  You could throw a stone into it and it would float. 

As for your complaint about the residential and industrial areas, I note that there are blue lines connecting them, so for water, are there no piplines, bah, humbug.  If the Peace Plan were acceptable to the Palestinians, and it will not be anyway, why would Israel prevent the Palestinians from access to water.  As for the photo you posted, that is what Israel looked like before the Israelis made the deserts blossom - and if they can do it, so can the Palestinians, and if there actually is peace I'm positive that Israel would help them do it. 

However all of this is merely academic discussion because the Palestinians do not want peace - it's been offered to them many times - 95% of what they demanded, then 97% of what they demanded, but they always walked away from it. The Palestinians do not want peace, they want all of Israel.  My personal opinion is that the only solution to the conflict is The Jordan Option, even if it's necessary to force it to happen. 

 
 
 
Dulay
1.1.6  Dulay  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @1.1.5    2 months ago

The Israelis are pretty fucking awesome at desalination. I read somewhere that they get over 50% of their drinking water from it. 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
1.1.7  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Dulay @1.1.6    2 months ago

Ordinary sea water - they even built a plant on the California shore.  Dead sea water would probably gum up their system.  They also have perfected the recycling of waste water, and for growing crops, their system of drip-technology prevents wasteful crop watering. 

 
 
 
Dulay
1.1.8  Dulay  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @1.1.7    2 months ago

Some of the original kibbutzim were instrumental in 'brown water' reclamation. Necessity breeds invention. Some of the Earthship homes in Taos use small scale brown water systems based on their experience. 

 
 
 
Ozzwald
1.2  Ozzwald  replied to  JohnRussell @1    2 months ago
Three years and a DOA peace plan.

3 weeks more like.  It was only just now released, like the China trade deal (part 1), as a distraction from the impeachment and to prove to his sycophants that he is doing something.

Unfortunately, anyone who looks will see that both deals are worth less than the paper they are written on.

 
 
 
KDMichigan
1.2.1  KDMichigan  replied to  Ozzwald @1.2    2 months ago
as a distraction from the impeachment and to prove to his sycophants that he is doing something.

You mean the impeachment that the democrats promised their triggered snowflakes if they elected them in 2018? Congress should be doing their jobs instead of chasing smoke and mirrors.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
1.2.2  Ozzwald  replied to  KDMichigan @1.2.1    2 months ago
You mean the impeachment that the democrats promised their triggered snowflakes if they elected them in 2018?

Document that promise or admit your statement was a lie.

Congress should be doing their jobs instead of chasing smoke and mirrors.

Impeachment is part of their jobs....duh....jrSmiley_103_smiley_image.jpg

 
 
 
KDMichigan
1.2.3  KDMichigan  replied to  Ozzwald @1.2.2    2 months ago
Document that promise or admit your statement was a lie.

No it's not a lie, it seems like you are using selective memory...as usual, or just lying.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
1.2.4  Ozzwald  replied to  KDMichigan @1.2.3    2 months ago

No it's not a lie, it seems like you are using selective memory...as usual, or just lying.

Yet you provide no evidence to back up your claim.

 
 
 
Ender
2  Ender    2 months ago

Like a two state solution has not been thought of before.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
3  seeder  JohnRussell    2 months ago
The event in the East Room of the White House had a Kabuki-theater quality to it as the president ended years of suspense over a highly touted peace plan that was widely considered dead on arrival. Rather than a serious blueprint for peace, analysts called it a political document by a president in the middle of an impeachment trial working in tandem with a prime minister under criminal indictment and about to face his third election in the span of a year.

Nearly three years in the making and overseen by Mr. Trump's son-in-law, Jared Kushner, the plan is the latest of numerous American efforts to settle the 70-plus-year conflict between Israel and the Palestinians. But it marked a sharp turn in the American approach, dropping decades of American support for only modest adjustments to Israeli borders drawn in 1967 and discarding the longtime goal of granting the Palestinians a full-fledged state.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/28/world/middleeast/peace-plan.html
 
 
 
Donald J. Trump Fan #1
3.1  Donald J. Trump Fan #1  replied to  JohnRussell @3    2 months ago
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This is what a future State of Palestine can look like, with a capital in parts of East Jerusalem.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
3.1.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Donald J. Trump Fan #1 @3.1    2 months ago

I have a feeling this plan offers the Palestinians land they don't want, and removes them from land they do want. 

 
 
 
Ozzwald
3.1.2  Ozzwald  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.1    2 months ago
I have a feeling this plan offers the Palestinians land they don't want, and removes them from land they do want. 

Pretty sure it offers the Palestinians anything the Israelis want to offer them, and nothing more.

 
 
 
Dulay
3.1.3  Dulay  replied to  Donald J. Trump Fan #1 @3.1    2 months ago

You keep spewing that map out without actually LOOKING at it or understanding WTF it means. 

 
 
 
Donald J. Trump Fan #1
3.1.4  Donald J. Trump Fan #1  replied to  Dulay @3.1.3    2 months ago

I only put it here and nowhere else.  Did you know that the seeder of the article changed its headline?  

The headline was judged to be correct when the story first published at 12:58.

It has since been updated twice by The New York Times

which apparently changed the headline during one of those revisions. 

The headline now matches the link. (again)

Please continue to use the flag option

while avoiding Meta statements like above, SP

 
 
 
Dulay
3.1.5  Dulay  replied to  Donald J. Trump Fan #1 @3.1.4    2 months ago
I only put it here and nowhere else.  

What's your point? You've posted it here 3xs. Did you LOOK at it Xx?

How about you address my 1.1.1 comment.

Did you know that the seeder of the article changed its headline?

Why are you deflecting? 

 
 
 
Greg Jones
3.1.6  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.1    2 months ago

So what...it all belongs to Israel. These murderous thugs who use women, children, and old people as human shields should be driven out. .

 
 
 
Tacos!
3.1.7  Tacos!  replied to  Donald J. Trump Fan #1 @3.1    2 months ago

The whole idea of this non-contiguous Palestine just baffles me. Japan is islands and we have Alaska and Hawaii separate from us, but only water disconnects us, really. Every two-state solution in Palestine I have ever seen has this weird jigsaw puzzle layout and I can't see why that would appeal to anyone.

 
 
 
Donald J. Trump Fan #1
3.1.8  Donald J. Trump Fan #1  replied to  Dulay @3.1.5    2 months ago

There was one tweet in two languages that I posted.  Someone here deleted the likely Arabic portion of the Presidents tweet with one of the two maps in the tweet.  

 
 
 
JohnRussell
3.1.9  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Donald J. Trump Fan #1 @3.1.4    2 months ago

There is no such requirement on NT to change headlines when the source "updates" its headline, or its story for that matter. 

I posted the headline that was attached to the story as I found it. 

The headline was neither misleading nor created by me. 

I wish the mods would delete the foolishness I am responding to instead of "explaining" to it. 

 
 
 
Dulay
3.1.10  Dulay  replied to  Greg Jones @3.1.6    2 months ago
So what...it all belongs to Israel.

The 1949 Armistice Agreement says differently. 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
3.1.11  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Dulay @3.1.10    2 months ago

The Armistice Agreement did not specify ACTUAL borders - what the actual borders were to be was to be negotiated - it never was.

 
 
 
Dulay
3.1.12  Dulay  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @3.1.11    2 months ago

Conveniently. 

 
 
 
Greg Jones
3.2  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @3    2 months ago
the longtime goal of granting the Palestinians a full-fledged state.

You should know, like the rest of us, is that the so called Palestinians, aka Hamas, do not want or desire a "full-fledged state"

They only want to abolish the nation of Israel. 

 
 
 
Ronin2
4  Ronin2    2 months ago

So it fails. Name one ME peace plan that has ever worked?

So much for Trump being anti Semite. Unless you want to claim he is too stupid to know Israel is the home of the Jews./S

 
 
 
JohnRussell
4.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Ronin2 @4    2 months ago

Trump supports Israel so strongly because his major GOP donors like Sheldon Adelson require it of him, and more importantly I think, because his evangelical Christian base requires it of him. 

Trump has made disparaging remarks about Jews in his past, but since he took office I think his eyes are on the prize (his voter base).  There is nothing in it for him to offer a peace plan Palestinians could agree to.

 
 
 
Donald J. Trump Fan #1
4.1.1  Donald J. Trump Fan #1  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1    2 months ago

It’s a better plan for the Palestinians than what they have now.  The longer the Palestinians hold out the lesser of a deal will be coming their way.  They should have accepted the Clinton deal in 2000.  

 
 
 
XDm9mm
4.1.2  XDm9mm  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1    2 months ago
but since he took office I think his eyes are on the prize (his voter base).

You are aware are you not that Jews tend to vote Democrat.  Just saying.

 
 
 
Donald J. Trump Fan #1
4.1.3  Donald J. Trump Fan #1  replied to  XDm9mm @4.1.2    2 months ago

Maybe he was talking about the Orthodox Jews that liberal anti Semites attack in our big cities and American Jews voting here but living in Israel, the expats vote.  

 
 
 
Greg Jones
4.1.4  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1    2 months ago
Trump has made disparaging remarks about Jews in his past,

When did he do that, and please provide a reference.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
4.1.5  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1    2 months ago

Really, John?  Why didn't he prevent his daughter from marrying a Jew?

 
 
 
Ozzwald
4.2  Ozzwald  replied to  Ronin2 @4    2 months ago
Name one ME peace plan that has ever worked?

Iranian peace treaty was working until Trump bailed.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
4.2.1  XDm9mm  replied to  Ozzwald @4.2    2 months ago
Iranian peace treaty was working until Trump bailed.

Here's a hint.  There never was an Iranian Treaty.  The "DEAL" Obama and his minions cobbled together was such a piece of shit that he knew better than to even attempt getting it ratified in the Senate as a treaty.

Contrary to the belief of some, there was nothing STOPPING Iran from acquiring or building a nuclear weapon, it only delayed the process.  Further, there were NO outside inspections done without prewarning and permission and military installations were off limits.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
4.2.2  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  XDm9mm @4.2.1    2 months ago
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JohnRussell
4.2.3  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @4.2.2    2 months ago

Off topic. 

 
 
 
Donald J. Trump Fan #1
4.2.4  Donald J. Trump Fan #1  replied to  JohnRussell @4.2.3    2 months ago

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Ronin2
4.2.5  Ronin2  replied to  Ozzwald @4.2    2 months ago

Right...Just like the Iranian missile defense treaty.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/05/us/politics/europe-accuses-iran-violations.html

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-50671003

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/haley-displays-missile-evidence-iran-violating-nuclear-deal-n829761

https://nypost.com/2018/12/06/europe-is-saving-the-iran-deal-by-ignoring-the-violations/

The snap back sanctions were supposed to be applied to missile violations as well. Why would Iran need to develop missiles, especially intercontinental ballistic ones, that are capable of carrying a nuclear payload?  It is not like they can create a nuclear warhead or anything?

Oh wait.

https://apnews.com/452a336123d742718027f219f6dd256f

Uranium particles of man-made origin have been discovered at a site in Iran not declared to the United Nations, the U.N. atomic watchdog agency said Monday as it confirmed a litany of violations by Tehran of the 2015 nuclear deal.

The International Atomic Energy Agency said Iran has begun enriching uranium at a heavily fortified installation inside a mountain, is increasing its stockpile of processed uranium, and is exceeding the allowable enrichment levels.

All such steps are prohibited under the agreement Iran reached with world powers to prevent it from building a bomb.

I mean they have such a great track record of honoring treaties.  We should trust them implicitly to honor a limited, non binding, nuclear agreement that restricts where and when inspections can be conducted.

https://www.unitedagainstnucleariran.com/violation-of-treaties

Iran is part the of ME. They are as fucked up as the rest.

 
 
 
KDMichigan
4.2.6  KDMichigan  replied to  Ozzwald @4.2    2 months ago
Iranian peace treaty was working until Trump bailed.

What peace treaty was that, You mean the bullshit Nuclear deal that the worthless ass obama passed? The one where lead from behind obama gave Iran everything they asked for without congress consent, that one? The one Iran kept violating so President Trump pulled out, that one? 

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Ozzwald
4.2.7  Ozzwald  replied to  XDm9mm @4.2.1    2 months ago
The "DEAL" Obama and his minions cobbled together was such a piece of shit that he knew better than to even attempt getting it ratified in the Senate as a treaty.

Yet, that "piece of shit", as you put it, was working as designed.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
4.2.8  Greg Jones  replied to  Ozzwald @4.2.7    2 months ago

No it was not, and you can't prove it. The Iranians cheated from the get-go.

 
 
 
KDMichigan
4.2.9  KDMichigan  replied to  Ozzwald @4.2.7    2 months ago
was working as designed.

That's right, as apiece of shit just like the one that forced it on the American people.

https://apnews.com/452a336123d742718027f219f6dd256f

 
 
 
Donald J. Trump Fan #1
4.2.10  Donald J. Trump Fan #1  replied to  KDMichigan @4.2.6    2 months ago

Michelle has them in the last White House such as they were.  

 
 
 
Ozzwald
4.2.11  Ozzwald  replied to  Greg Jones @4.2.8    2 months ago
No it was not, and you can't prove it. The Iranians cheated from the get-go.

Proof...

Every country involved, including America found no violations.  So prove your claim or admit it as another lie.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
4.2.12  XDm9mm  replied to  Ozzwald @4.2.11    2 months ago
Proof...

Well, let's start with this;

VIENNA (AP) — Uranium particles of man-made origin have been discovered at a site in Iran not declared to the United Nations, the U.N. atomic watchdog agency said Monday as it confirmed a litany of violations by Tehran of the 2015 nuclear deal.

The International Atomic Energy Agency said Iran has begun enriching uranium at a heavily fortified installation inside a mountain, is increasing its stockpile of processed uranium, and is exceeding the allowable enrichment levels.

All such steps are prohibited under the agreement Iran reached with world powers to prevent it from building a bomb.

Iran maintains its nuclear program is for peaceful purposes.

Read more here, if you're actually interested:  SOURCE:  https://apnews.com/452a336123d742718027f219f6dd256f

So much for lies...   [ deleted ]

 
 
 
Ozzwald
4.2.13  Ozzwald  replied to  XDm9mm @4.2.12    2 months ago
So much for lies...

This was November AFTER Trump trashed the deal.  Can't you find anything that has to do with what we're talking about?

And here, I'll help you out with more violations that occurred AFTER...

UN reports increasing violations of Iran nuclear deal

 
 
 
JohnRussell
5  seeder  JohnRussell    2 months ago

By asking the Palestinians to make far more territorial concessions than past proposals, though, Mr. Trump’s plan provided an American imprimatur of support to decades of aggressive Israeli settlement-building in Palestinian areas seized in two wars between Israel and Arab states. And it sent a grim message to the Palestinians that they have missed their chance to win the “two-state solution” they long pursued — as least so long as Mr. Trump is president.

Mr. Kushner and a small circle of Trump officials chose not to pursue the traditional path of brokering talks between the two parties that could lead to a joint proposal, but to hand one down from Washington. Peace-process veterans say that last happened under President Ronald Reagan in 1982.

Working secretively, Mr. Kushner and his team — which included the American ambassador to Israel, David M. Friedman, a strong supporter of Israeli settlement construction — consulted closely with Mr. Netanyahu’s government. But their contact with Palestinian officials ended after Mr. Trump moved the United States embassy to Jerusalem from Tel Aviv in December 2017.

Rather than court the Palestinians after that, the Trump administration only increased pressure on them, cutting off American funding for Palestinian areas and shuttering the Palestinian diplomatic office in Washington.


That dashed the initial hopes of Palestinians who believed that Mr. Trump’s unorthodox approach toward foreign policy, and his love for a grand deal, could lead him to pressure Israel to a degree they felt previous American presidents had not.

In the near term, the 80-page plan is most likely to stir up Israeli and American politics. Mr. Trump is sure to cite the plan’s pro-Israel slant on the 2020 campaign trail to win support from conservative Jewish Americans in Florida and other key states, along with the Evangelical Christians who are some of his strongest backers and support Israeli expansion in the Holy Land.

While the Palestinians are nearly certain to reject the plan, Trump allies say they will be closely watching other Arab governments with whom Mr. Trump has established close relations and who have thawed relations with Israel, to see whether they might give the plan any political cover.

Speaking in Tel Aviv on Monday, Nikki Haley, Mr. Trump’s former United Nations Ambassador, suggested that such Arab support could force the Palestinians to come to the table. “If the Arab countries respond favorably to the plan, or even if they don’t run to the Palestinian side, that’s going to be a huge, telling lesson to the Palestinians that they may not have the backing they had before,” she said.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/28/world/middleeast/peace-plan.html

 
 
 
JohnRussell
5.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  JohnRussell @5    2 months ago

As the story says, there is no negotiation that resulted in this plan. It was handed down on high from the White House, which of course means the Palestinians reject it out of hand. 

 
 
 
Donald J. Trump Fan #1
5.1.1  Donald J. Trump Fan #1  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1    2 months ago

Then they can accept permanent occupation with no annexation and no work in Israel proper and no foreign investment.  It’s time for them to realize that they are not equals in any negotiations and that Israel’s security concerns will always trump their desires. They will accept what is offered now or accept the status quo on the wrong side of a very effective border wall.  

 
 
 
JohnRussell
5.1.2  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Donald J. Trump Fan #1 @5.1.1    2 months ago

What most likely happen is that the status quo will stay for 20 more years and every now and then there will be violent uprisings killing and hurting many people. 

 
 
 
XDm9mm
5.1.3  XDm9mm  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.2    2 months ago
What most likely happen is that the status quo will stay for 20 more years and every now and then there will be violent uprisings killing and hurting many people. 

If the Palestinians don't start something, they won't get a bloody nose.  When you kick the dog, you have to know you'll get bit.

 
 
 
Dulay
5.1.4  Dulay  replied to  Donald J. Trump Fan #1 @5.1.1    2 months ago

You just described and unconditional surrender, NOT a peace plan. 

 
 
 
Greg Jones
5.1.5  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.2    2 months ago

and every now and then there will be violent uprisings killing and hurting many people. 

That will result from Israel being attacked and provoked by Hamas, just like always.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
5.1.6  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1    2 months ago

They aren't in a position to force the issue, since they are at a material and manpower disadvantage and they always start the violence.

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Buzz of the Orient
5.1.7  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1    2 months ago
"...which of course means the Palestinians reject it out of hand."

Oh come on, John, it's so obvious that the only thing that will make the Palestinians including Hamas happy is "Palestine will be free from the river to the sea."  Surely we are all not so naive to think that anything less would be acceptable.

 
 
 
Donald J. Trump Fan #1
5.1.8  Donald J. Trump Fan #1  replied to  Dulay @5.1.4    2 months ago

That surrender happened in 1967.  People who surrendered usually don’t demand terms from the victor but settle for the best that they can get.  As of now this is it and like since 2000 each deal will become progressively less attractive to the losers of the wars.  

 
 
 
Dulay
5.1.9  Dulay  replied to  Donald J. Trump Fan #1 @5.1.8    2 months ago

Oh DO tell me all about your vast knowledge about the Six Day War Xx. It may behoove you to review the FACT that it was between Israel, Egypt, Syria and Jordan. The Palestinians weren't 'combatants' nor did the surrender to anyone. 

 
 
 
XDm9mm
5.1.10  XDm9mm  replied to  Dulay @5.1.9    2 months ago
Oh DO tell me all about your vast knowledge about the Six Day War Xx. It may behoove you to review the FACT that it was between Israel, Egypt, Syria and Jordan. The Palestinians weren't 'combatants' nor did the surrender to anyone. 

You might want to reconsider that theory.  

For your enjoyment there is this to ponder:

The PLO is a political organization. The PLA, however, the Palestinian Liberation Army was the military wing of the PLO and was definitely involved in the Six-day war . There are several books which detail the function of the PLA before and during the war, detailing its support in Syria and Egypt, how the PLA took up positions in Gaza as the UNEF troops pulled out, and specifically being placed there at the behest of Egypt, so yes, they were in communication with other Arab states.
  • The book The Six Day War 1967: Sinai By Simon Dunstan actually lists, on page 67 the 20th PLA Division, as an Egyptian unit .
  • The Palestinian Military: Between Militias and Armies By Hillel Frisch goes into detail on the units organization, strength(over 6,000 men) and the fight in Gaza. pgs 54-58.
  • Another book, The Sinai Blunder : Withdrawal of the United Nations Emergency Force Leading to the Six-Day War of June 1967, By Indar Jit Rikhye obviously focuses on the UNEF withdrawal and the PLA entering Gaza before the Israeli actions.
Look over some of these sources, and you will get the impression of a definite military force, which was organized, trained and supplied by other Arab states. (I would clip some quotes, but these works are all recent, so you will have to look them over yourselves. Sorry)

Source:  https://history.stackexchange.com/questions/38484/did-the-plo-coordinate-with-arab-armies-during-the-six-day-war

There are "FACTS" and then there's reality.

 
 
 
Dulay
5.1.11  Dulay  replied to  XDm9mm @5.1.10    2 months ago

The PLO didn't become the representatives of the Palestinian people until 1993. 

 
 
 
XDm9mm
5.1.12  XDm9mm  replied to  Dulay @5.1.11    2 months ago
The PLO didn't become the representatives of the Palestinian people until 1993. 

Officially.

However, take it up with the authors of the books referenced if you think they're in error. 

Especially this one; The Palestinian Military: Between Militias and Armies   By Hillel Frisch goes into detail on the units organization, strength(over 6,000 men) and the fight in Gaza. pgs 54-58.

 
 
 
Dulay
5.1.13  Dulay  replied to  XDm9mm @5.1.12    2 months ago

Does it say in there when the Palestinians surrendered? 

 
 
 
XDm9mm
5.2  XDm9mm  replied to  JohnRussell @5    2 months ago
cutting off American funding for Palestinian areas and shuttering the Palestinian diplomatic office in Washington.

Why were we funding terrorists anyway?   And permitting a Palestinian Terrorist office in Washington was insane.

What the NYT article failed to indicate is that even the Arab states don't want Palestinians in their countries.  They're invariably too violent and create nothing but problems.  Hell just look at the Egyptian border with Gaza.  Pretty much shuttered tighter than Fort Knox.

 
 
 
Dulay
5.2.1  Dulay  replied to  XDm9mm @5.2    2 months ago

Just like the cross country traffic on our southern boarder, tens of thousands of Palestinians commute into Israel every day. 

 
 
 
XDm9mm
5.2.2  XDm9mm  replied to  Dulay @5.2.1    2 months ago
tens of thousands of Palestinians commute into Israel every day.

Yeppers.   And then they go home.

But those borders can be shut in a heart beat when other Palestinians decide to send some rockets to Israel.  And then who gets hurt?  Palestinians, since the rockets are often times intercepted or blow up some field or unoccupied building.  Every once in awhile, and Israeli gets hurt or killed then the retaliation is really, really nasty.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
5.2.3  Greg Jones  replied to  Dulay @5.2.1    2 months ago

I doubt if the numbers are that high, but...so what?

 
 
 
Dulay
5.2.4  Dulay  replied to  XDm9mm @5.2.2    2 months ago
Yeppers.   And then they go home.

But I thought you said that 'they're invariably too violent and create nothing but problems.' One would think that Israel would be more worried about them than the Egyptians. 

 
 
 
Dulay
5.2.5  Dulay  replied to  Greg Jones @5.2.3    2 months ago

Obtuse. 

 
 
 
XDm9mm
5.2.6  XDm9mm  replied to  Dulay @5.2.4    2 months ago
One would think that Israel would be more worried about them than the Egyptians.

They are.  But, the difference is they're Israelis and will take the nonviolent workers.  Egyptians on the other hand are Arabs and have no use for them and know them for what they are.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
5.2.7  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Dulay @5.2.4    2 months ago

Obviously those who are permitted to enter Israel are vetted, same as any country would do.

 
 
 
Dulay
5.2.8  Dulay  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @5.2.7    2 months ago

That supports my position that they are NOT 'invariably too violent'. 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
5.2.9  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Dulay @5.2.8    2 months ago

Not all of them - many are attempting to normalize relations.  I've seeded articles about that.  However, What you must mean is that they are not ALL 'invariably too violent'.  By the way, what is the difference between "invariably too violent' and just plain 'invariably violent'?

 
 
 
Dulay
5.2.10  Dulay  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @5.2.9    2 months ago

Invariably already means ALL Buzz, that was my point. 

Football is violent, armed conflict with civilians is too violent. 

 
 
 
Greg Jones
5.3  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @5    2 months ago
And it sent a grim message to the Palestinians that they have missed their chance to win the “two-state solution” they long pursued — as least so long as Mr. Trump is president.

They've never wanted a "two-state solution". They've rejected every "peace plan" for decades now. Quit trying to sell that lie.

 
 
 
Donald J. Trump Fan #1
5.3.1  Donald J. Trump Fan #1  replied to  Greg Jones @5.3    2 months ago

Like their apologists among the squad their real desire is from the river to the sea.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
6  Paula Bartholomew    2 months ago

My vision presents a win-win for both sides,” Mr. Trump 

Translation -  I know there is a way I can profit from this. (Blows Ben a kiss).

 
 
 
Texan1211
6.1  Texan1211  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @6    2 months ago

Do tell us all about how Trump will profit from this.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
7  Buzz of the Orient    2 months ago

There is as much a chance of the Palestinians accepting this so-called "Deal of the Century" as there is of all Americans giving up their guns.  It just ain't gonna happen - what an unbelievable waste of time and effort.  Even the discussion about it is a waste of time and effort. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
7.1  Texan1211  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @7    2 months ago

Like always, the Palestinians don't really seem to want their own state.

What they seem to want is Israel.

 
 
 
Donald J. Trump Fan #1
7.1.1  Donald J. Trump Fan #1  replied to  Texan1211 @7.1    2 months ago

all of it. 

 
 
 
It Is ME
8  It Is ME    2 months ago

"Mr. Trump’s plan would create what he called a Palestinian state with limited sovereignty"

Maybe.....Just maybe..... if they showed any inkling of "Producing anything more than just Terrorism", they could get Full Sovereignty ? jrSmiley_87_smiley_image.gif

 
 
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