Poll: Capitalism trounces socialism — but Sanders beats Trump

  
Via:  john-russell  •  2 weeks ago  •  23 comments

Poll: Capitalism trounces socialism — but Sanders beats Trump
the poll still found Sanders, who describes himself as a democratic socialist, with a lead over Trump, earning 49 percent support in a head-to-head matchup compared to Trump's 45 percent. Former Vice President Joe Biden, Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.), and former South Bend, Indiana, Mayor Pete Buttigieg also led Trump.

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Voters narrowly back Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) in a hypothetical face-off against President Trump, even as a majority has a negative view of socialism, a new poll has found.

In an  NBC News/ Wall Street Journal  survey released Sunday , 53 percent of registered voters said they have a negative view of socialism, compared to 19 percent who have a positive view. The poll found the opposite result for capitalism, which 52 percent of voters said they have a positive view of, compared to 18 percent who said they have a negative view of it. This finding came ahead of the caucuses in Iowa, where Sanders has been surging.

But the poll still found Sanders, who describes himself as a democratic socialist, with a lead over Trump, earning 49 percent support in a head-to-head matchup compared to Trump's 45 percent. Former Vice President Joe Biden, Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.), and former South Bend, Indiana, Mayor Pete Buttigieg also led Trump.

Previously, a  Gallup poll from November  found that 39 percent of Americans say they have a positive view of socialism, compared to 57 percent with a negative view. But pointing to the fact that 49 percent of voters in this new NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll backed Sanders despite the low support for socialism,  The Washington Post 's Dave Weigel argued Monday  that "there's clearly some wiggle room for people who disagree *conceptually* but like him a lot."

NBC News/ Wall Street Journal 's poll was conducted by speaking to 1,000 registered voters from Jan. 26-29. The margin of error is 3.1 percentage points. Read the  full results at NBC News Brendan Morrow


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JohnRussell
1  seeder  JohnRussell    2 weeks ago

According to this, a good quarter of American adults dont have any opinions about socialism or capitalism.  So much for having an educated population. 

I'm pretty sure Trump supporters equate socialism with everyone gets paid the same salary and if you believe in God you are thrown into a concentration camp. 

In the Superbowl interview yesterday , Hannity asked Trump to give a one word description of Bernie Sanders.  "Communist" Trump said. 

 
 
 
Greg Jones
1.1  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @1    2 weeks ago

Glad those misleading polls are keeping your hopes up.

Bernie is a Commie at heart and that's where his core beliefs and sympathies lie.

But most of his adoring supporters probably have no idea about his past, being drawn in by his promises of government goods and services

 
 
 
JohnRussell
1.1.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Greg Jones @1.1    2 weeks ago

The only hope I have is that American voters still have enough honor and decency left to vote Trump out of office based on his behavior over the past three or four years. 

 
 
 
Ozzwald
1.1.2  Ozzwald  replied to  Greg Jones @1.1    2 weeks ago
Bernie is a Commie at heart and that's where his core beliefs and sympathies lie.

And another person that does not understand the difference between communism and socialism.  Just wants to through names and people they don't like, no matter how wrong and uninformed they are.

 
 
 
dennis smith
1.1.3  dennis smith  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.1    2 weeks ago

The only hope I have is that American voters still have enough honor and decency left to vote Trump out of office based on his behavior over the past three or four years. 

What do you think will happen if your only hope is dashed in November?

 
 
 
Kathleen
1.1.4  Kathleen  replied to  Ozzwald @1.1.2    2 weeks ago

Either one, he still will not get my vote. As a person, I like him, it’s just his far left ideas I don’t like. I would be strictly voting in terms of what his policies are.

 
 
 
jungkonservativ111
1.1.5  jungkonservativ111  replied to  Ozzwald @1.1.2    2 weeks ago

Bernie and the hard left progressives are definitely your typical communist wannabes. Them trying to attack and destroy the electoral college is one classic example. Their entire platform is steal from the rich and give to the poor like they are some kind of Robin Hood. That's why they depend so much on the popular vote so they can rally the proletariat against the bourgeoisie. Straight out of the Marx playbook. I bet Bernie learned quiet a bit about it during his time in communist Russia

 
 
 
Ozzwald
1.1.6  Ozzwald  replied to  Kathleen @1.1.4    2 weeks ago
As a person, I like him, it’s just his far left ideas I don’t like.

Which ones don't you like?

 
 
 
Ozzwald
1.1.7  Ozzwald  replied to  jungkonservativ111 @1.1.5    2 weeks ago
Bernie and the hard left progressives are definitely your typical communist wannabes.

And another person that doesn't understand the difference between the 2.

 
 
 
jungkonservativ111
1.1.8  jungkonservativ111  replied to  Ozzwald @1.1.7    2 weeks ago

Socialism leads to communism every time. Karl Marx calls socialism low level communism.

Karl Marx Quote: “There is only one way to kill capitalism – by taxes, taxes, and more taxes.”

Sounds like Bernie and the entire left to me.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
1.1.9  Ozzwald  replied to  jungkonservativ111 @1.1.8    2 weeks ago
Socialism leads to communism every time. Karl Marx calls socialism low level communism.

Don't compound your ignorance. 

Below, you will see some of the most socialistic nations in the world today :

China
Denmark
Finland
Netherlands
Canada
Sweden
Norway
Ireland
New Zealand
Belgium

 
 
 
KDMichigan
1.1.10  KDMichigan  replied to  Ozzwald @1.1.9    2 weeks ago
Don't compound your ignorance. 

Maybe you should take your own advice..

Countries That Are Considered Socialist
Country
Type of Socialism
Angola
Socialist Party in Power
Bangladesh
Non-Marxist-Leninist
Barbados
Socialist Party in Power
Bolivia
Socialist Party in Power
China
Marxist-Leninist
Cuba
Marxist-Leninist
Ecuador
Socialist Party in Power
El Salvador
Socialist Party in Power 
Ethiopia
Socialist Party in Power
Greece
Socialist Party in Power
Guinea-Bissau
Socialist Party in Power
Guyana
Non-Marxist-Leninist
Laos
Marxist-Leninist 
Mauritius
Socialist Party in Power
Mozambique
Socialist Party in Power
Namibia
Socialist Party in Power
Nepal
Non-Marxist-Leninist
Nepal
Socialist Party in Power
Nicaragua
Socialist Party in Power
North Korea
Non-Marxist-Leninist
Portugal
Non-Marxist-Leninist
Republic of the Congo
Socialist Party in Power
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines
Socialist Party in Power
Sri Lanka
Non-Marxist-Leninist
Suriname
Socialist Party in Power
Tanzania
Non-Marxist-Leninist 
Tanzania
Socialist Party in Power
Uruguay
Socialist Party in Power
Venezuela
Socialist Party in Power
Vietnam
Marxist-Leninist
Zambia
Socialist Party in Power

None of the countries you listed are considered socialist except China. 

 
 
 
Ozzwald
1.1.11  Ozzwald  replied to  KDMichigan @1.1.10    2 weeks ago
None of the countries you listed are considered socialist except China.

Your opinion only.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
2  Jeremy Retired in NC    2 weeks ago

A poll....

Because those are reliable.

Not to mention he doesnt have a damn thing to run on.  No accomplishments, hell he hasnt had a bill pass in YEARS.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2    2 weeks ago

I'd bet you that if an interviewer asked Trump to define socialism and communism he wouldnt even come close.

But he does know that calling Sanders a commie will appeal to a lot of his (Trump's) voters. 

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
2.1.1  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1    2 weeks ago

And what does that have to do with my statement?  Did you ignore it because it doesnt fit how you think I should have responded?

As you can probably tell, its already known Sanders doesnt stand a chance beating the President.  Especially when you look at acomplishments.  

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
2.1.2  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1    2 weeks ago
socialism and communism

Definition of   socialism

both socialism and communism are incompatible with the notions of individual liberty and individual ownership and therefore unconstitutional at their core.
socialism = theft  
  one should choose their ideology carefully as there will be consequences. (theives will be shot)
1 :   any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
2 a :   a system of society or group living in which there is no private property
b :   a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
3 :   a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between   capitalism   and   communism   and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/socialism
In Marxist theory, the socialist mode of production (also referred to as lower-stage of communism[1] or simply socialism, as Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels used the terms socialism and communism interchangeably)
both socialism and communism are incompatible with the notions of individual liberty and individual ownership and therefore unconstitutional at their core.
socialism = theft  
  one should choose their ideology carefully as there will be consequences. (thieves will be shot)
 
 
 
Nerm_L
3  Nerm_L    2 weeks ago

Why is support for Bernie Sanders surprising?  

The United States has become a mercantile economy.  Neoliberal technocrats tell us that mercantilism is the same as capitalism but they're not the same.  A mercantile economy creates middleman jobs; transportation, services, and retail.  Capitalism in the United States is dead.

Socialism is just another type of supply-side economics.  But the history of socialism shows that central planning requires a closed marketplace.  Socialism only works with domestic production and supply.  If the United States is to become socialist then the United States must build factories.  Like it or not, socialism cannot work with an economy of retailers and service providers.  Neither can capitalism.

So, the real debate is whether or not the United States will revive capitalism or continue to be a service economy.  Sanders and Trump both argue for a closed marketplace.  The debate between the two is over who will supply the closed marketplace; the government or the private sector.  Both Sanders and Trump are arguing for building factories.   That's why neoliberal technocrats oppose both Sanders and Trump.  Neoliberals want someone like Joe Biden or Michael Bloomberg because neoliberals want to avoid reviving capitalism.

 
 
 
Tacos!
4  Tacos!    2 weeks ago

Is Bernie truly a socialist or is it just something he has claimed? I don't pay him a ton of attention, but I don't think I have heard him really endorse a socialist economy per se. The main thing I hear come out of him is outrage toward this or that ordinary thing and an endless stream of promises about all the free money and services he plans to give away. That doesn't even sound sophisticated enough to be proper socialism.

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
5  The Magic Eight Ball    2 weeks ago
the poll still found

LOL 

currently, odds are 19 to 1 against sanders

cheers :)

 
 
 
bbl-1
6  bbl-1    2 weeks ago

Capitalism is dead.  Murdered by Supply Side Economics.  All we are seeing is shrinking Middle Class wealth and increasing wealth in the upper income strata. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
6.1  Texan1211  replied to  bbl-1 @6    2 weeks ago
Capitalism is dead.  Murdered by Supply Side Economics.  All we are seeing is shrinking Middle Class wealth and increasing wealth in the upper income strata. 

Bernie would fix it so no wealthy would be here. 

But just because you take from the wealthy doesn't mean the rest of the people get more.

Somebody will have to pay for free college, forgiveness of student loans, and Medicare-for-all.

The rich won't do it willingly, (and who can blame them) and government will take it from them and blow it.

 
 
 
bbl-1
6.1.1  bbl-1  replied to  Texan1211 @6.1    2 weeks ago

Forever Ubiquitous. 

 
 
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