Nancy Pelosi should resign

  
Via:  john-russell  •  2 months ago  •  149 comments

Nancy Pelosi should resign
Pelosi, like her predecessors, is supposed to remain stone faced during the address even if the president leaves her personally enraged. Indeed, House speakers have been the authority who kept other members in silent deference and respect, if not to the president, then to the office.

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Nancy Pelosi should resign








The House has its share of infamies, great and small, real and symbolic, and has been the scene of personal infamies from brawls to canings. But the conduct of Speaker  Nancy Pelosi at the State of the Union address this week will go down as a day of infamy for the chamber as an institution. It has long been a tradition for House speakers to remain stoic and neutral in listening to the address. However, Pelosi seemed to be intent on mocking  President Trump from behind his back with sophomoric facial grimaces and head shaking, culminating in her ripping up a copy of his address.

Her drop the mic moment will have a lasting impact on the House. While many will celebrate her trolling of the president, she tore up something far more important than a speech. Pelosi has shredded decades of tradition, decorum, and civility that the nation could use now more than ever. The House speaker is more than a political partisan, particularly when carrying out functions such as the State of the Union address. A president appears in the House as a guest of both chambers of Congress. The House speaker represents not her party or herself but the entirety of the chamber. At that moment, she must transcend her own political ambitions and loyalties.

Tensions for this address were high. The House impeachment managers sat as a group in front of the president as a reminder of the ongoing trial. That can be excused as a silent but pointed message from the Democrats. Trump hardly covered himself with glory by not shaking hands with Pelosi. I also strongly disliked elements of his address which bordered on “check under your seat” moments, and the awarding of conservative radio host Rush Limbaugh with the Presidential Medal of Freedom inside the House gallery like a Mardi Gras bead toss. However, if Trump made the State of the Union look like Oprah, then Pelosi made it look like Jerry Springer.






What followed was an utter disgrace. First, Pelosi dropped the traditional greeting before the start of the address, “Members of Congress, I have the high privilege and distinct honor of presenting to you the president of the United States.” Instead, she simply announced, “Members of Congress, the president of the United States.” It was extremely petty and profoundly inappropriate. Putting aside the fact that this is not her tradition, but that of the House, it is no excuse to note that the president was impeached.

Such an indignity was not imposed on President Clinton during his own impeachment proceeding, and anyone respecting due process would note that Trump has been accused, not convicted, at this point in the constitutional process. Pelosi proceeded to repeatedly shake her head, mouth words to others, and visibly disagree with the address. It was like some distempered distracting performance art behind the president.

My revulsion over this has nothing to do with impeachment. Six years ago, I wrote a column denouncing Supreme Court Associate Justice Samuel Alito for mouthing the words “not true” when President Obama used his address to criticize the court for its decision in the Citizens United case. I considered his response to be a disgrace and wrote a column criticizing Chief Justice John Roberts for not publicly chastising Alito for breach of tradition. Instead, Roberts seemed to defend Alito in criticizing Obama for his “very troubling” language and saying that it was unfair to criticize the court when the justices, “according to the requirements of protocol,” have “to sit there expressionless.” That was not unfair. That was being judicious.

I also wrote a column denouncing Republican Representative Joe Wilson, who shouted “you lie!” at Obama during his State of the Union address in 2009. Wilson should have been severely sanctioned for that breach. When I wrote those columns, I had never imagined that a House speaker would engage in conduct far in excess of those controversies. After all, House speakers often have been required to sit through addresses they despised from presidents of the opposing party. The House speaker is third in line of succession to the presidency and the representative of the chamber as a whole. She is not some Sinead O’Connor ripping up a photograph of the pope on Saturday Night Live while shouting aloud “fight the real enemy!”

Pelosi, like her predecessors, is supposed to remain stone faced during the address even if the president leaves her personally enraged. Indeed, House speakers have been the authority who kept other members in silent deference and respect, if not to the president, then to the office. However, Pelosi appeared to goad the mob, like a high schooler making mad little faces behind the school principal at an assembly. It worked as members protested and interrupted Trump. Pelosi became another Democratic leader, little more than a twitching embodiment of this age of rage.






This is not to suggest that the House has always listened to its better angels. More than 180 years ago, a confrontation between Democratic Representative Jonathan Cilley and Whig Representative William Graves led to a duel over what Graves viewed as a slight on the House floor. In February 1838, the two decided to meet in Maryland for a duel with rifles, and Graves killed Cilley after both missed each other twice. In response, the House quickly pushed forward antidueling legislation in Congress.

Pelosi has demolished decades of tradition with this poorly considered moment. Of course, many will celebrate her conduct and be thrilled by the insult to Trump. However, even those of us who disagree with his policies should consider what Pelosi destroyed in her moment of rage. She shredded the pretense of governing with civility and dignity in the House. Notably, she did not wait to rip up her copy of the speech until after she left the House floor. Pelosi wanted to do it at the end of the speech, in front of the camera, with the president still in the chamber.

That act was more important to Pelosi than preserving the tradition of her office. In doing so, she forfeited the right to occupy that office. If Pelosi cannot maintain the dignity and neutrality of her office at the State of the Union, she should resign as the speaker of the House of Representatives.

Jonathan Turley is the Shapiro Professor of Public Interest Law for George Washington University and served as the last lead counsel during a Senate impeachment trial. He testified as a witness expert in the House Judiciary Committee hearing during the impeachment inquiry of President Trump.






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JohnRussell
1  seeder  JohnRussell    2 months ago

As everyone knows, normally this is not the type of thing I would seed. Pelosi has done a great job for the Democratic Party and for America. 

I seeded this op/ed because I am amazed at the brazen hypocrisy of Jonathan Turley.  

He wants Pelosi to resign the third highest office in the land (according to the line of succession ) because he says she violated "decorum" and propriety by mocking Trump at the State of the Union. 

The first thing that comes to mind, is where is his call for Donald Trump to resign? Where have been his calls for Donald Trump to resign for the past three years? 

Turley is affronted by Pelosi ? Trump's existence in office is an affront. He has lied to the American people thousands of times. He has called for his political opponents to be investigated by foreign governments, not once, but in both his elections. He has sent out literally hundreds of tweets that violate propriety, in fact does so on almost a daily basis. Trump has passed along messages from white supremacists on his social media. 

Donald Trump has one chance to be re-elected, that is if he is perceived as normal by enough voters in November. That of course, would be a travesty. Nancy Pelosi knows this , Jonathan Turley seems to not know or not care. 

We are in a war, and Pelosi was fighting back. She should be applauded for standing up to Trump, and emulated. 

 
 
 
XDm9mm
1.1  XDm9mm  replied to  JohnRussell @1    2 months ago
Donald Trump has one chance to be re-elected, that is if he is perceived as normal by enough voters in November.

He will succeed in November much to the consternation and bitter vitriolic hatred of his detractors.

That of course, would be a travesty. Nancy Pelosi knows this , Jonathan Turley seems to not know or not care. 

Nancy knows she and her shit show in the US House of Representatives might very well be responsible for his likely reelection.  Had they not fucked the entire process from day one showing the abject hatred for Trump and the pure disdain for the American people and their intelligence, they might have overlooked her childish temper tantrum.

We are in a war, and Pelosi was fighting back.

Pelosi is floundering in a sea of American revival and greatness that she can't understand.  What her real fear is, is that the American people will wake up and realize that President Trump is accomplishing making good on the promises not only he made, but the Democrats have been making for decades with no results.

She should be applauded for standing up to Trump, and emulated. 

Why would anyone want to emulate a childish contemptuous loser?  The only possible followers, would be other losers.

 
 
 
Split Personality
1.1.1  Split Personality  replied to  XDm9mm @1.1    2 months ago
What her real fear is, is that the American people will wake up and realize that President Trump is accomplishing making good on the promises not only he made, but the Democrats have been making for decades with no results.

Republicans have held the White House for 40 of the past 68 years, it seems rather one sided to beat up the minority as if they are the only ones responsible for "whatever" the perceived national status is currently at.

Just saying...

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.1.2  Tessylo  replied to  Split Personality @1.1.1    2 months ago

What an EXCELLENT POINT!

Just saying' . . . . jrSmiley_82_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Sparty On
1.1.3  Sparty On  replied to  Split Personality @1.1.1    2 months ago

So?  

Dems have held the real power of the purse and legislation for 40 of the last 60 years in the senate and 44 of the last 60 years in the house.

Just saying ......

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
1.1.4  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Sparty On @1.1.3    2 months ago

Yep, Republicans have held the House for 40 of the last 68 years. Watching Nancy Pelosi's petulant and sophomoric spitefulness during the SOTU address, not hard to figure out why...

 
 
 
Steve Ott
1.1.5  Steve Ott  replied to  XDm9mm @1.1    2 months ago
Why would anyone want to emulate a childish contemptuous loser?

She did reach out to shake his hand and he turned his back on her. Which was the first childish act?

 
 
 
Sparty On
1.1.6  Sparty On  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @1.1.4    2 months ago

Doc, i think you meant WHITE house and not the house but yeah, there's no reply to congress being controlled by a Dem majority the last 60+ years.

Its funny as hell when people make accusations/allusions like the comment about who held the White House most, when both parties clearly have ownership of our current state of affairs.

Theirs is a very narrow and biased viewpoint indeed

 
 
 
Dean Moriarty
1.2  Dean Moriarty  replied to  JohnRussell @1    2 months ago

Yeah great job their approval rating is 23%, that's less than half of what Trumps is. 

 
 
 
Split Personality
1.2.1  Split Personality  replied to  Dean Moriarty @1.2    2 months ago

And?  Can you spend it?  Does it matter that it was 27% just 7 days ago in December 2019?

Or that it was 9% in 2013?

Or 84% in October 2001 when we had war fever?

Seems like a valueless bit of trivia...

 
 
 
KDMichigan
1.3  KDMichigan  replied to  JohnRussell @1    2 months ago
She should be applauded for standing up to Trump, and emulated. 

Applauded for acting like a petulant little child? Only the TDS sufferers think her childish display was worthy of the speaker of the house. Most democrats I know are ashamed of her actions, the only ones that approve of it are the same ones that cried when Hillaryious Hillary lost.

 
 
 
jungkonservativ111
1.4  jungkonservativ111  replied to  JohnRussell @1    2 months ago

It's rare that you seed such a good article. I thought for a moment you were taking a break from the extreme partisanship, but I should have known better.

 
 
 
Dulay
1.5  Dulay  replied to  JohnRussell @1    2 months ago
He wants Pelosi to resign the third highest office in the land (according to the line of succession ) because he says she violated "decorum" and propriety by mocking Trump at the State of the Union. 

This is the part that I found most hypocritical:

A president appears in the House as a guest of both chambers of Congress. 

First of all, that's false. The SOTU is held in the HOUSE chamber and the Speaker has complete control over what occurs there. Without an invitation from Pelosi, Trump couldn't have spewed his BS. 

Secondly, Trump ABUSED his 'guest' status and violated 'decorum' when he FORCED the Sargent at Arms to allow Sgt. Williams  to enter the chamber during the SOTU AND had Melania present Rush with the Medal of Freedom, both for 'dramatic effect'. 

 
 
 
It Is ME
1.5.1  It Is ME  replied to  Dulay @1.5    2 months ago
Without an invitation from Pelosi, Trump couldn't have spewed his BS. 

Pelosi Screwed Up " ..... AGAIN ?

 
 
 
KDMichigan
1.5.2  KDMichigan  replied to  Dulay @1.5    2 months ago
Without an invitation from Pelosi, Trump couldn't have spewed his BS. 

Sorry Dulay but nothing stipulates that the President of the United States has to have the speakers permission to give the SOTU. He could have chosen any other number of venues to give his speech.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
1.5.3  Greg Jones  replied to  Dulay @1.5    2 months ago
Trump couldn't have spewed his BS

Don't fear the truth or try to deny Trump's winning record.

 
 
 
Texan1211
1.5.4  Texan1211  replied to  Dulay @1.5    2 months ago
First of all, that's false. The SOTU is held in the HOUSE chamber and the Speaker has complete control over what occurs there. Without an invitation from Pelosi, Trump couldn't have spewed his BS.

The SOTU is given before a joint Congress. Nancy invited the President. She broke protocol in her introduction for the President. The SOTU satisfies a requirement for the President. Nothing can stop the President from giving a SOTU speech. The House may rescind its invitation, but Nancy did not do that.

Secondly, Trump ABUSED his 'guest' status and violated 'decorum' when he FORCED the Sargent at Arms to allow Sgt. Williams  to enter the chamber during the SOTU AND had Melania present Rush with the Medal of Freedom, both for 'dramatic effect'. 

Trump is allowed--like other Presidents--to have up to 24 guests at his invitation. How many do you claim Trump had over that limit?

 
 
 
Dulay
1.5.5  Dulay  replied to  KDMichigan @1.5.2    2 months ago

Nowhere did I say that he couldn't. The seed is about the decorum of the House chamber. DO try to keep up. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
1.5.6  Texan1211  replied to  Dulay @1.5.5    2 months ago

Pelosi went against protocol in her introduction.

Aren't you terribly worked up over THAT, too?

 
 
 
Dulay
1.5.7  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @1.5.4    2 months ago
The SOTU is given before a joint Congress. Nancy invited the President. She broke protocol in her introduction for the President. The SOTU satisfies a requirement for the President. Nothing can stop the President from giving a SOTU speech. 

Oh look, another one. The seed is about the decorum of the HOUSE chamber. There is no such 'protocol' for introducing the POTUS. The POTUS isn't 'required' to give a speech and didn't start giving the SOTU as a speech until 1913. 

The House may rescind its invitation, but Nancy did not do that.

It's a little late to rescind an invitation once the drunk 'guest' pukes on your rug. 

Trump is allowed--like other Presidents--to have up to 24 guests at his invitation. How many do you claim Trump had over that limit?

Deflection. 

WTF does that have to do with the stunts Trump pulled? Hint: Not a fucking thing. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
1.5.8  Texan1211  replied to  Dulay @1.5.7    2 months ago
Oh look, another one. The seed is about the decorum of the HOUSE chamber. There is no such 'protocol' for introducing the POTUS. The POTUS isn't 'required' to give a speech and didn't start giving the SOTU as a speech until 1913. 

I didn't say he HAD to give a speech. The Constitution requires that the President report on the SOTU. Why the HELL are you trying to argue something I never claimed??????????????

There is CERTAINLY tradition at play. 

From Wikipedia:

The Protocol of entry into House chamber[edit]
By approximately 8:30 p.m. on the night of the address, the members of the House have gathered in their seats for the joint session.[27] Then, the Deputy Sergeant at Arms addresses the Speaker and loudly announces the Vice President and members of the Senate, who enter and take the seats assigned for them.[27] 
The Speaker, and then the Vice President, specify the members of the House and Senate, respectively, who will escort the President into the House chamber.[27] The Deputy Sergeant at Arms addresses the Speaker again and loudly announces, in order, the Dean of the Diplomatic Corps, the Chief Justice of the United States and the Associate Justices, and the Cabinet, each of whom enters and takes their seats when called.[27] The justices take the seats nearest to the Speaker's rostrum and adjacent to the sections reserved for the Cabinet and the members of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.[28] 
 
The Sergeants at Arms of the House (left) and of the Senate (right) wait at the doorway to the House chamber before President Barack Obama enters to deliver the 2011 State of the Union Address.
Just after 9 p.m., as the President reaches the door to the chamber,[29] the House Sergeant at Arms stands just inside the doors, faces the Speaker, and waits until the President is ready to enter the chamber.[28] When the President is ready, the Sergeant at Arms always announces the entrance, loudly stating the phrase: "Mister [or Madam] Speaker, the President of the United States!"[29] 
As applause and cheering begin, the President slowly walks toward the Speaker's rostrum, followed by members of the Congressional escort committee.[29] The President's approach is slowed by pausing to shake hands, hug, kiss, and autograph copies of the speech for Members of Congress.[28] After taking a place at the House Clerk's desk,[29] the President hands two manila envelopes, previously placed on the desk and containing copies of the speech, to the Speaker and Vice President.[citation needed] 
After continuing applause from the attendees has diminished, the Speaker introduces the President to the Representatives and Senators, stating: "Members of Congress, I have the high privilege and distinct honor of presenting to you the President of the United States."[28][29] This leads to a further round of applause and, eventually, the beginning of the address by the President.[29] 
At the close of the ceremony, attendees leave on their own accord. The Sergeants at Arms guides the President out of the Chamber. Some politicians stay to shake hands with and congratulate the President on the way out.

So there is that.

It's a little late to rescind an invitation once the drunk 'guest' pukes on your rug

No one forced her to issue the invitation, and no one could have stopped her from withdrawing it. So that line of argument is stupid and rather pointless. 

 
 
 
Dulay
1.5.9  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @1.5.6    2 months ago
Pelosi went against protocol in her introduction.
Aren't you terribly worked up over THAT, too?

No more than I was 'worked up' when Trump didn't even wait to be introduced before he started his 2019 SOTU. 

 
 
 
KDMichigan
1.5.10  KDMichigan  replied to  Dulay @1.5.5    2 months ago
Nowhere did I say that he couldn't.

You didn't?

Without an invitation from Pelosi, Trump couldn't have spewed his BS. 

Well golly gee dulay It appears that is exactly what you said. Now get back to that spin.

Cheers

 
 
 
Dulay
1.5.11  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @1.5.8    2 months ago
So there is that.

Your head must have exploded when Trump didn't wait to be introduced last year. /s

 
 
 
XDm9mm
1.5.12  XDm9mm  replied to  Texan1211 @1.5.8    2 months ago
Why the HELL are you trying to argue something I never claimed??????????????

Word games my fine friend.  Word games always.

 
 
 
Dulay
1.5.13  Dulay  replied to  KDMichigan @1.5.10    2 months ago
Well golly gee dulay It appears that is exactly what you said. Now get back to that spin. Cheers

Again, since the seed is about the decorum in the HOUSE CHAMBER, it shouldn't have to reiterated in every comment. 

 
 
 
Dulay
1.5.14  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @1.5.8    2 months ago
Why the HELL are you trying to argue something I never claimed??????????????

Where did I argue any of this:

The SOTU is given before a joint Congress.
Nancy invited the President. She broke protocol in her introduction for the President.
The SOTU satisfies a requirement for the President.
Nothing can stop the President from giving a SOTU speech.
The House may rescind its invitation, but Nancy did not do that.

Hint: I didn't. Physician heal thyself...

 
 
 
Texan1211
1.5.15  Texan1211  replied to  Dulay @1.5.9    2 months ago
No more than I was 'worked up' when Trump didn't even wait to be introduced before he started his 2019 SOTU. 

What?? You couldn't feign some faux poutrage over the actions of your President?? Unbelievable!

 
 
 
Texan1211
1.5.16  Texan1211  replied to  Dulay @1.5.14    2 months ago

I know what you wrote, and what you argued.

You will certainly have to do better than that.

Or not.

Not all things are possible.

 
 
 
Texan1211
1.5.17  Texan1211  replied to  XDm9mm @1.5.12    2 months ago
Word games my fine friend.  Word games always.

Always.

SOSDD

But then again, we aren't surprised, are e?

 
 
 
Dulay
1.5.18  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @1.5.15    2 months ago

Nor could you but 'PROTOCOL!'. 

jrSmiley_84_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Dulay
1.5.19  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @1.5.16    2 months ago
I know what you wrote, and what you argued.

Yet you went off on a tangent and posted a strawman anyway. 

You will certainly have to do better than that.

 
 
 
Texan1211
1.5.20  Texan1211  replied to  Dulay @1.5.19    2 months ago

Sigh.

Always accusing everyone else of strawman arguments.

Yawn.

It is far past old coming from you.

But typical when someone points out how you attempt to argue stuff no one states.

 
 
 
Dulay
1.5.21  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @1.5.20    2 months ago
But typical when someone points out how you attempt to argue stuff no one states.

You have to get personal because you can't deny that YOUR comment was a strawman and that you're desperate to ignore that the topic is about the House Chamber. 

 
 
 
Tacos!
1.5.22  Tacos!  replied to  Dulay @1.5    2 months ago

Without an invitation from Pelosi, Trump couldn't have spewed his BS. 

Ok, well that's obviously not true. He can spew whatever he wants at any time. That's the First Amendment. He doesn't need Pelosi's permission for that.

But secondly, he actually has authority to be in the Capitol building whenever he likes. He doesn't need Pelosi for that either. Rules of the House: 

Gallery 6. (a) The Speaker shall set aside a portion of the west gallery for the use of the President, the members of the Cabinet, justices of the Supreme Court, foreign ministers and suites, and the members of their respective families.

Also, delivering the SOTU is a requirement of the Constitution, so it would seem to be unconstitutional for the Speaker to interfere with that process.

He shall from time to time give to the Congress Information of the State of the Union - US Constitution, Article II, Section 3

Finally, the Constitution gives the President the authority to convene or adjourn the Congress:

he may, on extraordinary Occasions, convene both Houses, or either of them - US Constitution, Article II, Section 3

So, on the whole, I would say invitations from Pelosi are not necessary.

 
 
 
Texan1211
1.5.24  Texan1211  replied to  Tacos! @1.5.22    2 months ago

Watch out or your facts will become strawmen to someone!!

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
1.5.25  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  XDm9mm @1.5.12    2 months ago

There are people here that pride themselves on specializing in that.

 
 
 
Dulay
1.5.26  Dulay  replied to  Tacos! @1.5.22    2 months ago
Ok, well that's obviously not true. He can spew whatever he wants at any time. That's the First Amendment. He doesn't need Pelosi's permission for that.

He sure can, but NOT at the podium in the House Chamber. 

But secondly, he actually has authority to be in the Capitol building whenever he likes. He doesn't need Pelosi for that either. Rules of the House: 

Being allowed in the Capital and being allowed on the House floor are 2 different things. 

Also, delivering the SOTU is a requirement of the Constitution, so it would seem to be unconstitutional for the Speaker to interfere with that process.

Yet before 1913, it was delivered in writing, WITHOUT a speech. 

Oh and BTFW, didn't you just say that spew whatever he wants at any time? So it how could the Speaker be interfering? 

Finally, the Constitution gives the President the authority to convene or adjourn the Congress:

Yet that STILL doesn't allow him to go into the House Chamber so your 'point' is moot. 

So, on the whole, I would say invitations from Pelosi are not necessary.

You're wrong. I note that you've avoided the Speaker's authorities in your scenerio. 

Oh and both Houses have to pass a Resolution agreeing on a time and date for the speech. 

 
 
 
Dulay
1.5.27  Dulay  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @1.5.25    2 months ago

As there are those that pride themselves in posting strawmen. 

 
 
 
Greg Jones
1.6  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @1    2 months ago

She should resign. But the Dems will lose the House in a few months from now and she will retire in disgrace and return to her palatial palace in SFO, gated to keep the homeless poopers and pissers out, and protected by armed guards. Talk about acting like an angry and petulant middle-schooler. She's not normal and unfit to hold any kind of office, and besides, the far left loons are in firm control of the remnants of the Democrat Party 

If you can't understand or deny why the Dems are falling into total chaos and failing to win back the voters, there is no hope for what ails you.

 
 
 
Split Personality
1.6.1  Split Personality  replied to  Greg Jones @1.6    2 months ago
But the Dems will lose the House in a few months from now and she will retire in disgrace and return to her palatial palace in SFO, gated to keep the homeless poopers and pissers out, and protected by armed guards.

Still subscribing to fake news?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
1.7  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  JohnRussell @1    2 months ago

Nancy Pelosi just finished about a 15 or 20 minute press conference. She gave an OUTSTANDING defense of her reasoning for tearing up Trump's state of the union address. 

I suggest anyone interested search it out later when it comes out as a video. 

Basically she says Trump's speech was full of lies (the Washington Post counted and laid out 31 falsehoods in Trump's speech) , and the President and his followers were the ones who broke decorum (they chanted "four more years" ) and that it was inappropriate to use the state of the union speech as a campaign speech. 

Pelosi is so much more intelligent and articulate than Trump, its not even funny. 

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
1.7.1  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  JohnRussell @1.7    2 months ago
(the Washington Post counted and laid out 31 falsehoods in Trump's speech)

And as I told someone (who subsequently disappeared to no one's surprise) yesterday, the NYT had a difference in opinion............

for your edification...............

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2020/fact-check-state-of-the-union-02-04

Lot of "true's" in there......................and it's the Times.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
1.8  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JohnRussell @1    2 months ago

"Pelosi has done a great job for the Democratic Party and for America. "

What a line of pure unadulrtrated BULLSHIT.

This hapless clod has done nothing for the country.  Look at her own district.  That alone is proof enough she doesnt care and hasn't cared about this country in a very long time.  She should have been recalled years ago.

 
 
 
Sparty On
1.8.1  Sparty On  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @1.8    2 months ago

Hey man, the dudes on human poop patrol are doing great.

Careers in Scatalogical Engineering

184k plus a year .... yeehaw!

 
 
 
Split Personality
1.8.2  Split Personality  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @1.8    2 months ago
Look at her own district.  That alone is proof enough she doesn't care and hasn't cared about this country in a very long time.  She should have been recalled years ago.

Nicest areas of SF...

Based on what pray tell?  Your opinion?

She averages winning elections in the former 8th and current 12th district by 84% of her constituents.

A recall is just wishful partisan hooey.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
1.8.3  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Split Personality @1.8.2    2 months ago

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You should pay attention to the WHOLE district.

 
 
 
Split Personality
1.8.4  Split Personality  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @1.8.3    2 months ago

So tell me Jeremy where do you get your fake news from in NC?

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
1.8.5  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Split Personality @1.8.4    2 months ago

Funny enough, right here on NT.  About 90% of the false flag news I see is posted right here on this site.  And all of that are usually by the anti-Trump crowd.  They are usually from sources like CNN, MSNBC, and most other third party sites that resemble shows like the Kardashians than anything reputable.  Very rarely is there research done or actual documents posted to back up such fantasy claims.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
1.8.6  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @1.8.3    2 months ago

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1stwarrior
1.8.7  1stwarrior  replied to  Split Personality @1.8.4    2 months ago

Think you forgot to put the "/S" behind your question.

 
 
 
Split Personality
1.8.8  Split Personality  replied to  Sparty On @1.8.1    2 months ago

Yes, been there, done the research, lived on base there for 4 years.

SF has reportedly 300,000 dogs, 150,000 cats and large flocks of large parrots that shit everywhere and apparently, more often than not, people don't pick up after their dogs in spite of a ridiculous fine of $320 for not picking up after your animal or having "suitable containers" on your person.

The $184,000 includes ( supposedly ) $112,000 in benefits, ergo a salary of $72K in a city where the average home is worth 1.3 million. There are less than 10 people on poop patrol and that includes the people "servicing" the Pit Stops, about half of which always seem to be out of order.

Are there homeless people there? Yes, and they present the same challenges to every big city across the country that they have since I can remember.  I remember the department of streets and services in 1950 & 60's Philadelphia - basically poop patrols for all of the recreation centers and Parks. I also remember horse drawn fruit and vegetable vendors that came down the streets and driveways all summer long,  talk about poo patrols!!! ( The farmers usually cleaned up most of it, but did they carry it around all day, NOT! )

Street sweepers, both the large trucks and gangs of men came around and swept the sidewalks and streets monthly regardless of what neighborhood you lived in.

The implication that these 10 or 11 people are getting rich searching out poop, is just ludicrous nonsense ripe

for partisan poop flinging, nothing more.

 
 
 
Sparty On
1.8.9  Sparty On  replied to  Split Personality @1.8.8    2 months ago
The implication that these 10 or 11 people are getting rich searching out poop, is just ludicrous nonsense ripe for partisan poop flinging, nothing more.

Was that the implication SP?   That they were getting rich?  

Very informative (and typical) that you would take it in a "partisan" direction but wrong.   If you must glean some sort of serious intent from a comment that was intended largely to just be humorous i guess we could point to the ridiculously high benefit package the poop patrol gets.  

Bennies costing nearly 160% of wage shows just how bad it is in SF when in most places in the US fringes cost in the 30-50% range of wage.

So yeah, that is pretty wack.

 
 
 
Split Personality
1.8.10  Split Personality  replied to  Sparty On @1.8.9    2 months ago
So yeah, that is pretty wack

Everything in SF, San Mateo & Marin is whack, I sold a row style condo in SE Jersey for $45K and moved to

the Bay area in the 80's and the same exact 1500 sq ft condos by the same builder were $410,000 in San Raphael. 

The economy there never made sense to me, but that is why a 2 hour or longer commute is normal around SF & Oakland, and for what?  It's not that nice at all.

 
 
 
Sparty On
1.8.11  Sparty On  replied to  Split Personality @1.8.10    2 months ago

Were you stationed at the Presidio or just find a way to live on base?

 
 
 
Split Personality
1.8.12  Split Personality  replied to  Sparty On @1.8.11    2 months ago

I was originally on Yerba Bueno until the earthquake, then they moved me up to Hamilton AFB.

 
 
 
Sparty On
1.8.13  Sparty On  replied to  Split Personality @1.8.12    2 months ago

Ah, never got up there.   Spent a little time in between assignments at the Presidio bunking with a buddy doing language school.

Now there is a nice duty base.   Loved that golf course.   Many cigars and beers were consumed there.

 
 
 
Split Personality
1.8.14  Split Personality  replied to  Sparty On @1.8.13    2 months ago

Took the kids there every weekend.  Beaches and exploring the old batteries & Fort Point never got old.

Fog brought down the Eucalyptus tree sap all over the cars there, always had to be careful of parking.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
1.8.15  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  1stwarrior @1.8.7    2 months ago

I wasn't being sarcastic.  It was a genuine question that apparently the answer to is a resounding "YES".

 
 
 
dennis smith
1.8.16  dennis smith  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @1.8    2 months ago

"Pelosi has done a great job for the Democratic Party and for America."

That is absolutely true, under her leadership she has allowed her party to implode creating the need for Trump to MAGA.

 
 
 
Sparty On
1.9  Sparty On  replied to  JohnRussell @1    2 months ago

Well, you see John you've got a problem there.  

If you think Trump has behaved poorly and should resign, a truly fair and unbiased mind would feel the same about Pelosi.   Thus demonstrating the clear bias you put out saying Pelosi should be applauded and emulated for her actions.

I know you want to have your cake and eat to but it doesn't work that way in the real world.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
1.10  1stwarrior  replied to  JohnRussell @1    2 months ago

320

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
1.10.1  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  1stwarrior @1.10    2 months ago

I'm questioning her ability to actually read it.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2  seeder  JohnRussell    2 months ago

I have said for a while that Jonathan Turley is like a more mild mannered version of Alan Dershowitz. They are both Trumpsters, although up until now Turley has been more laid back. 

Seriously, where the hell is his call for Trump to resign? 

 
 
 
XDm9mm
2.1  XDm9mm  replied to  JohnRussell @2    2 months ago
Seriously, where the hell is his call for Trump to resign? 

Why would anyone want to have such success resign?   All he's doing is making America greater than is already was, much to the consternation of his detractors.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2.1.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  XDm9mm @2.1    2 months ago
All he's doing is making America greater than is already was, much to the consternation of his detractors.

Nancy Pelosi is doing a great job. Why would Jonathan Turley write an op/ed calling for her to resign? 

He wants her to resign because she "embarrassed" someone or something, in his view. 

Trump embarrasses America every day by his behavior, yet Turley speaks up for him in Congressional testimony. 

People will say he's a "moderate" so people should listen to him. 

This article is a good example of what "moderation" about Donald Trump gets us.  

 
 
 
KDMichigan
2.1.2  KDMichigan  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.1    2 months ago
He wants her to resign because she "embarrassed" someone or something

She embarrassed every woman who has struggled to cast off misogynistic stereotypes. 

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
2.1.3  Freedom Warrior  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.1    2 months ago
Nancy Pelosi is doing a great job.

If you call doing nothing legislatively, trashing the Constitution and performing strategic political faceplants doing a great job.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
2.1.4  XDm9mm  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.1    2 months ago
Nancy Pelosi is doing a great job. Why would Jonathan Turley write an op/ed calling for her to resign? 

Maybe because she's an arrogant POS that refused all House rules and decorum by starting her Impeachment.   She should have realized that when it was actually finally voted on AFTER it was started and it was Bipartisan AGAINST.

He wants her to resign because she "embarrassed" someone or something, in his view. 

She embarrassed not only herself, but the entire House of Representatives and all Americans that voted for her and her cronies.

Trump embarrasses America every day by his behavior, yet Turley speaks up for him in Congressional testimony. 

How so JR?  By not going on global apology tours?  By demanding other countries pull their own financial weight for THEIR DEFENSE?  For removing us from "deals" that were great for others and bad for America?   For encouraging business growth in THIS country?  For creating a business environment that has created great job opportunities for Americans?

People will say he's a "moderate" so people should listen to him. 

Turley is a Democrat who under oath acknowledged that he voted for Obama and Clinton and maybe now recognizes just how "deplorable" the Democrat Party has become in their vitriolic hatred of Donald Trump and exactly what that hatred is doing to America.

This article is a good example of what "moderation" about Donald Trump gets us.  

A President who has accomplished more of the Democrats goals and ideas in the last three and a half years than the Democrats had promised to do in the last sixty.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2.1.5  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  XDm9mm @2.1.4    2 months ago
Trump embarrasses America every day by his behavior, yet Turley speaks up for him in Congressional testimony. 
How so JR?

If you don't know by now, you never will.  I suspect you know, but would rather pretend you dont. 

 
 
 
loki12
2.1.6  loki12  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.1    2 months ago
He wants her to resign because she "embarrassed" someone

Why not? We impeached 2 Presidents for humiliating Hillary.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
2.1.7  Ozzwald  replied to  Freedom Warrior @2.1.3    2 months ago
If you call doing nothing legislatively

Over 300 House bills are sitting on McConnell's desk, it is the Republican controlled Senate that doesn't want to do anything.

trashing the Constitution

Talking point from spam email, or do you have actual examples of this?

performing strategic political faceplants

Like these?

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1stwarrior
2.1.8  1stwarrior  replied to  Ozzwald @2.1.7    2 months ago

What did you say about this???

Nearly 400 House bills stuck in Senate limbo

https://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/281536-nearly-400-house-bills-stuck-in-senate-limbo

From your hero Harry Reid.

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
2.1.9  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  Ozzwald @2.1.7    2 months ago
Over 300 House bills are sitting on McConnell's desk,

will be more than that before it is all over...

it is no secret.  the senate is ignoring the progressive leftwing agenda

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
2.1.10  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.1    2 months ago

"He wants her to resign because she "embarrassed" someone or something, in his view. "

Some peoe just dont get it.  SHE IS AN EMBARRASSMENT TO ALL OF US.  She has spent her whole time as Speaker railing after a duly elected President with false information.  

 
 
 
katrix
2.1.11  katrix  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.1.10    2 months ago
SHE IS AN EMBARRASSMENT TO ALL OF US

So is Trump, but I don't see you calling for his resignation when he has public temper tantrums, shoves his way in front of world leaders so he can be in front, acts like a toddler ... why is it OK for him but not for her?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2.1.12  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  katrix @2.1.11    2 months ago
So is Trump,

Nancy Pelosi is not an embarrassment. Far from it. 

 
 
 
lib50
2.1.13  lib50  replied to  KDMichigan @2.1.2    2 months ago

Mansplaining misogyny.   jrSmiley_80_smiley_image.gif Just pissed Nancy got the headline, that rip will last through history.  As will Trump's impeachment.  Forever IMPOTUS.  MOST women are proud of her, she has more balls than the entire republican party.  Coverups don't lead to exoneration. 

Trump is publicly naming his enemies today, won't be long before he can't stop himself from breaking the law again.  Just a matter of time before he puts the gop in an awkward place. Again.

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Jeremy Retired in NC
2.1.14  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  katrix @2.1.11    2 months ago

The only ones that I've seen act like a toddle all have that "(D)" associated with their names.  

They've been doing it since late 2016.  They've thrown hoax after hoax at this President since November 2016 and failed miseraby on everyone of them.  

Take a look at the SOTU.  Her sole task was to sit there.  But, like the toddler she is, couldnt do that simple task.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
2.1.15  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.12    2 months ago

"Nancy Pelosi is not an embarrassment"

Maybe in liberal la la land.  But in reality,  the Crypt Keeper needs to be put out to pasture.

 
 
 
Dulay
2.1.16  Dulay  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.1.10    2 months ago

You mean the information that multiple GOP Senators said proved that Trump did what he was accused of? THAT information? 

 
 
 
Ozzwald
2.1.17  Ozzwald  replied to  1stwarrior @2.1.8    2 months ago

From your hero Harry Reid.

What's wrong?  Can't stay on topic???

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
2.1.18  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Dulay @2.1.16    2 months ago

Ok, going off your conspiracy theory.  There was a 3+ year "investigation" that rendered ZERO proof to back it up.  

The reality is that it's all fabricated.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
2.1.19  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Dulay @2.1.16    2 months ago

Ok, going off your conspiracy theory.  There was a 3+ year "investigation" that rendered ZERO proof to back it up.  

The reality is that it's all fabricated.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
2.1.20  Ozzwald  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @2.1.9    2 months ago

the senate is ignoring the progressive leftwing agenda

Not to mention bipartisan, unanimously agreed upon, protections for our upcoming election.  Good old Moscow Mitch.

 
 
 
Dulay
2.1.21  Dulay  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.1.18    2 months ago

Haven't you been watching the news? Collins, Alexander, Murkowski, and others said that the Trump did it but so what...That's not a conspiracy theory, that's a fact. 

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
2.1.22  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Dulay @2.1.21    2 months ago

Saying something and proving it are 2 different things.  

And no I dont watch the reality shows.  I have much better things to do with my time.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
2.1.23  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  lib50 @2.1.13    2 months ago

Notice how Ms. Pelosi kept checking to see if the "women in white", off to her right, were looking? And holding the sheets up high so all could witness? it was a production to lend some credibility to her actions. Didn't work out quite that way.

 
 
 
KDMichigan
2.1.24  KDMichigan  replied to  lib50 @2.1.13    2 months ago

256

 
 
 
Dulay
2.1.25  Dulay  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.1.22    2 months ago

Jeremy, you commented on the 'republican-senator-says-trump-is-guilty-but-so-what?' seed just 3 days ago. Short term memory issue? 

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
2.1.26  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Dulay @2.1.25    2 months ago

And your point would be......what?  I comment on a lot of things.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
2.1.27  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Dulay @2.1.25    2 months ago

And your point would be......what?  I comment on a lot of things.

 
 
 
Dulay
2.1.28  Dulay  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.1.27    2 months ago

My POINT is that you posted on a seed that proves that what I stated isn't 'fabricated' so why are you pretending that it is? 

 
 
 
dennis smith
2.1.29  dennis smith  replied to  XDm9mm @2.1    2 months ago

Shooting the messenger when disagreeing is commonplace by some on NT. As expected.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
2.2  Jasper2529  replied to  JohnRussell @2    2 months ago
I have said for a while that Jonathan Turley is like a more mild mannered version of Alan Dershowitz. They are both Trumpsters

You can say it all you want, but it won't change the documented facts that neither man voted for Trump. 

 
 
 
XDm9mm
2.2.1  XDm9mm  replied to  Jasper2529 @2.2    2 months ago
but it won't change the documented facts that neither man voted for Trump. 

And both are registered Democrats.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
2.2.2  Trout Giggles  replied to  Jasper2529 @2.2    2 months ago

How much you want to bet they do in 2020?

 
 
 
Jasper2529
2.2.3  Jasper2529  replied to  XDm9mm @2.2.1    2 months ago

Pelosi's petty, childish behavior at the 2020 SOTU address was a national embarrassment and disgrace:  facial/mouth grimaces, smirking, not acknowledging/applauding for honored guests, and ending with her ridiculously dramatic paper stunt.

To boot ... today, at her press conference, she did what she does best - ramble with incoherence. But, she reached a new low today. She said that at the SOTU, Trump spoke as if he were "drugged" and "sedated". Really, Nancy? 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2.2.4  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Jasper2529 @2.2.3    2 months ago
To boot ... today, at her press conference, she did what she does best - ramble with incoherence.

LOL. Nancy Pelosi was brilliant today.

Why did you tear up the speech ?

Because he was lying. 

Fact Check : Washington Post lists 31 falsehoods by Trump in State of the Union speech. 
 
 
 
Jasper2529
2.2.5  Jasper2529  replied to  Trout Giggles @2.2.2    2 months ago
How much you want to bet they do in 2020?

Thanks for offering a cyber bet, but I'll pass. Whoever they choose to vote for in November is their business, not mine. 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
2.2.6  Trout Giggles  replied to  Jasper2529 @2.2.5    2 months ago
but it won't change the documented facts that neither man voted for Trump.

then why even mention it?

 
 
 
Ender
2.2.7  Ender  replied to  Jasper2529 @2.2.3    2 months ago

Yet not one word of condemnation about the many nasty things donald has done and said.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
2.2.8  Trout Giggles  replied to  Ender @2.2.7    2 months ago

You really didn't expect one did you?

 
 
 
Ender
2.2.9  Ender  replied to  Trout Giggles @2.2.8    2 months ago

I forgot. Only one side is allowed to demean people...

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
2.2.10  Trout Giggles  replied to  Ender @2.2.9    2 months ago

Now you're getting it!

 
 
 
Jasper2529
2.2.11  Jasper2529  replied to  Trout Giggles @2.2.6    2 months ago
then why even mention it?

You'll have to ask the person who posted comment 2, because I was replying to his comment. 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
2.2.12  Trout Giggles  replied to  Jasper2529 @2.2.11    2 months ago
but it won't change the documented facts that neither man voted for Trump. 

These aren't your words?

https://thenewstalkers.com/community/discussion/49413/nancy-pelosi-should-resign#cm1250384

 
 
 
Jasper2529
2.2.13  Jasper2529  replied to  JohnRussell @2.2.4    2 months ago
Nancy Pelosi was brilliant today.

It's clear that we have different standards for "brilliant", so we shall have to agree to disagree.

 
 
 
Tacos!
2.3  Tacos!  replied to  JohnRussell @2    2 months ago
They are both Trumpsters

You think everyone who isn't frothing at the mouth to hang Trump is a Trumpster. 

I don't think Pelosi should resign. Does that make me a Pelosister (or whatever the hell you might call a supporter of hers)?

Seriously, where the hell is his call for Trump to resign?

I agree that it is hypocritical to demand a resignation for decorum's sake and give Trump a pass. The proper response to Pelosi would be a couple of "tsk tsks" and then we all get back to our lives.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
2.4  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JohnRussell @2    2 months ago

What should he resign for? 

Lying?  Then ALL politicians need to resign. 

Beating the Democrars on EVERY level?  That's to be celebrated.  This President has accomplished more than he promised as well as things Democrats have promised for DECADES.

Hurting your feelings?  Sorry, reality sucks.

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
3  Freedom Warrior    2 months ago

Sure she should resign but not for the reason given in the article.  The standard of decorum in the House and elsewhere in the political realm has been violated beyond redemption by Dems well before now.  This is just a symbol of that decline.

 

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
4  The Magic Eight Ball    2 months ago

regardless if she resigns or not.

she will not be speaker of the house for long

her time has almost expired.

 
 
 
Ronin2
4.1  Ronin2  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @4    2 months ago

I don't know. I think this last little stunt, and the impeachment, may have bought her a reprieve from the hard left.

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
4.1.1  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  Ronin2 @4.1    2 months ago
I think this last little stunt, and the impeachment, may have bought her a reprieve from the hard left.

for this session?  agreed.

the next session? not so much.

 
 
 
JaneDoe
4.2  JaneDoe  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @4    2 months ago

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It Is ME
5  It Is ME    2 months ago

"Nancy Pelosi should resign"

I don't " Feel " jrSmiley_93_smiley_image.jpg that way. 

It's more fun to see her lose "The Gavel", and have to sit back and be a "Spectator". jrSmiley_10_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
6  Just Jim NC TttH    2 months ago

Jesus.

Pelosi in talking right now and is butt hurt as HAYULL. Bringing up Charlottesville ............again?! What a language mangling, blabbering fool.

 
 
 
Ender
6.1  Ender  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @6    2 months ago

The blabbering fool is speaking right now.

Funny that people can call Pelosi every name in the book yet donald is right now calling people names and demeaning people and that is cheered on.

What is that called again? Oh yeah....

 
 
 
JohnRussell
6.1.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Ender @6.1    2 months ago

Those 150 or so people that are in the room with him right now, all laughing at his idiocies and nonsense , should all be ashamed of themselves. 

What the fuck has happened to the United States of America? 

 
 
 
XDm9mm
6.1.2  XDm9mm  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1.1    2 months ago
What the fuck has happened to the United States of America? 

Scumbags in the Democrat Party tried to have a bloodless coup against the President of the United States and got their collective asses handed to them.

See how easy that is to understand?  They started a fight and LOST.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
6.1.3  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Ender @6.1    2 months ago

Why are the major networks showing this crap? 

And people say the media doesnt help Trump. He is giving a stream of consciousness pile of nonsensical self serving bullshit and the major networks are showing it live. 

America is fucked unless everyone anti-Trump, and the moderates and independents come to their senses and activate to get rid of this pestilence. 

 
 
 
Ender
6.1.4  Ender  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1.1    2 months ago

Kind of a disgusting display. Them congratulating each other and patting themselves on the back.

Really weird. Even him talking about Jordan being buff and using the gym. Puke.

Had to turn it off.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
6.1.5  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  XDm9mm @6.1.2    2 months ago

Lost?  They proved he is a criminal. America has lost. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
6.1.6  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Ender @6.1.4    2 months ago

Seriously, why are ABC, NBC and CBS showing this shit?  They need to be ashamed too. 

 
 
 
Ender
6.1.7  Ender  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1.6    2 months ago

I swear he loves to hear himself talk. He drones on and on and on....

He just will not shut up.

And really says nothing except how he thinks the other side is crooked.

He needs to quit because I don't want another call from my mother that he is taking over General Hospital.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
6.1.8  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1.6    2 months ago
Stonekettle
@Stonekettle
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This is fucking BIZARRE. Even by Trump standards. I mean, I was expect nuts, but this is ... bizarre.
 
 
 
JohnRussell
6.1.9  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Ender @6.1.7    2 months ago

He's not on a teleprompter and he's mentally ill. 

The networks should be ashamed of themselves for showing this idiocy for an hour. 

 
 
 
Ender
6.1.10  Ender  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1.9    2 months ago

He called people sleazebag and scum yet OMG look at Pelosi....

Blind partisanship.

I think you are right, he is not mentally stable. Something seriously wrong with him.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
6.1.11  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1.8    2 months ago
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Jennifer Rubin
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This is how someone sounds when asked: How would a crazy, unmedicated president behave?
 
 
 
Tacos!
6.1.12  Tacos!  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1.3    2 months ago
Why are the major networks showing this crap?

Because they can't resist pointing a camera at Trump and just letting it go. He provides free content for at least an hour and they can all go get a coffee or something. That's how he got elected.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
6.1.13  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Ender @6.1.10    2 months ago

When are Americans going to rise up about this? 

Where are the independents and moderates? 

I'm tired of pointing this shit out every day, as are you and others who oppose him. We need EVERYONE to speak up. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
6.1.14  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1.6    2 months ago

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Tacos!
6.1.15  Tacos!  replied to  Ender @6.1.7    2 months ago
I swear he loves to hear himself talk. He drones on and on and on....

I gave it a few minutes. I got a thrill when he used the word "bullshit" but other than that it was a boring rant and I had to shut it off.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
6.1.16  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Tacos! @6.1.12    2 months ago

It's an embarrassment to this country. Why do you pretend having a mentally ill, vindictive, idiotic president is nothing? 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
6.1.17  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Texan1211 @6.1.14    2 months ago

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Tacos!
6.1.18  Tacos!  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1.16    2 months ago
Why do you pretend having a mentally ill, vindictive, idiotic president is nothing?

When did I ever say it was nothing? I have said many times that I don't approve of a lot of the things he says and does. I have said many times that I voted for someone else in the primaries. The only time I voted for him was when it was a choice between him and Hillary.

I don't get to have everything the way I want it but I don't try to blow up the system just because the president behaves like he's in the 6th grade.

 
 
 
Ender
6.1.19  Ender  replied to  Tacos! @6.1.12    2 months ago

He does get more free publicity than anybody.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
6.1.20  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1.11    2 months ago

You must have hit rock bottom if you are paying attention to Jen Rubin.  She's the answer to how would a crazy, unmedicated  blogger behave?

Maybe if Democrats hadn't spent 20 years attacking every single prominent national Republican in similarly hysterical terms, Americans might care what the Pelosis of the world thought. Americans outside the progressive bubble understand that Democrats are going to denounce whoever the face of the Republican party is at the time as the WORST PERSON IN HISTORY who is going to destroy the country etc.etc..

It's tremendously ironic to see Democrats praising Romney after their viscous attacks on him just a few years. McCain was a Nazi warmonger, and now he's saint.  After Trump retires, Democrats will  compare him favorably to whoever the next Republican leader is. 

 
 
 
dennis smith
6.1.21  dennis smith  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1.1    2 months ago

What the fuck has happened to the United states of America?

Both parties have done the deed by toeing their own party lines and not cooperating.

 
 
 
dennis smith
6.1.22  dennis smith  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1.3    2 months ago

Why are the major networks showing this crap?

The same reason they are showing the Dem debates.

It is ratings and politics.

 
 
 
Ender
7  Ender    2 months ago

Omg. Now who are the snowflakes again?

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
7.1  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  Ender @7    2 months ago
Omg. Now who are the snowflakes again?

have you spotted a rightwinger screaming at the sky?  show me, id love to see it.

thanks in advance :)

 
 
 
Ender
7.1.1  Ender  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @7.1    2 months ago

They don't scream at the sky, just everyone else.

 
 
 
Tacos!
8  Tacos!    2 months ago

This is a silly op-ed. I'm not a fan of Nancy Pelosi, and I don't approve of her behavior at the SOTU, but if she were ever to resign, this is not the reason.

Politicians have been rude and petty to each other since the beginning of time. That "traditional" quality doesn't make it ok, but it does make it normal.

There is so much hypocrisy and self-delusion in political outrage. People feign outrage about something a political opponent said or did and pretend that "normally" they're all so respectful and civil and this latest offense shatters all precedent. It's not true. It has never been true.

 
 
 
evilgenius
8.1  evilgenius  replied to  Tacos! @8    2 months ago
There is so much hypocrisy and self-delusion in political outrage. People feign outrage about something a political opponent said or did and pretend that "normally" they're all so respectful and civil and this latest offense shatters all precedent. It's not true. It has never been true.

Yep! I was about to say as much. 

 
 
 
bugsy
9  bugsy    2 months ago

From what I am seeing in Pelosi's behavior is that she knows she and her party is toast in the House.

She resisted for some time to impeach, but the radicals on the left finally got to her and she went over the edge.

Unfortunately, she relied on Schiff and Nadler to handle the impeachment, which was a huge mistake. She could not take it back once it was realized early on.

Since she realized she made a mistake, she started going off the ledge and hoped beyond hope that SOMETHING, ANYTHING, would come out that would justify her screw up. Nothing ever did.

Now, she knows the loons in the radical left hate her because she was not able to get the President removed, so she engaged in going against House protocol to make a spectacle of herself, trying to get back into the graces of those loons. 

The House is lost to the Republicans in November, and she knows it. That's why she continues to insult the President and not take responsibility for her party's failures. There are many.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
9.1  1stwarrior  replied to  bugsy @9    2 months ago

bugsy - don't you mean that the House is lost to the Democrats in November?

 
 
 
bugsy
9.1.1  bugsy  replied to  1stwarrior @9.1    2 months ago

Maybe how I wrote it could be a little confusing. I'm saying that the Republicans are going to take the House from the Democrats, and Pelosi is well aware of it.

 
 
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