Impeachment Witness Alexander Vindman Fired From the White House

  
Via:  sister-mary-agnes-ample-bottom  •  2 months ago  •  304 comments

By:   Maggie Haberman and Peter Baker

Impeachment Witness Alexander Vindman Fired From the White House
Lt. Col. Vindman was asked to leave for telling the truth. His honor, his commitment to right, frightened the powerful.

S E E D E D   C O N T E N T


The White House on Friday dismissed Lt. Col. Alexander S. Vindman, whose testimony in the House impeachment hearings infuriated President Trump and his allies, escorting him out of the complex just days after the Senate trial ended in acquittal, his lawyer said.

“There is no question in the mind of any American why this man’s job is over, why this country now has one less soldier serving it at the White House,” David Pressman, the lawyer, said in a statement. “Lt. Col. Vindman was asked to leave for telling the truth. His honor, his commitment to right, frightened the powerful.”

A person familiar with the situation said that Colonel Vindman’s twin brother, Yevgeny Vindman, also an Army lieutenant colonel who worked at the White House, was fired, as well.

The dismissal was foreshadowed earlier in the day when Mr. Trump essentially confirmed to reporters before leaving on a trip to North Carolina that Colonel Alexander Vindman would be pushed out. “Well, I’m not happy with him,” the president said of Colonel Vindman. “You think I’m supposed to be happy with him? I’m not.”

The president then reposted a Twitter message from a supporter advocating the colonel’s dismissal: “Vindman’s behavior is a scandal. He should be removed from the @RealDonaldTrump White House ASAP to protect our foreign policy from his machinations.”

Colonel Vindman retains his rank in the Army, and it was not immediately clear what his next assignment will be.
The action comes just two days after Mr. Trump was acquitted in a Senate impeachment trial that turned in part on the testimony of Colonel Vindman and other administration officials who described a campaign to pressure Ukraine into announcing corruption investigations into former Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. and other Democrats.

Mr. Trump has made clear his personal antipathy for Colonel Vindman, who oversaw American policy toward Ukraine on the National Security Council staff and whose twin brother, Lt. Col. Yevgeny Vindman, works as a lawyer for the N.S.C. “Lieutenant Colonel Vindman and his twin brother, right?” the president said at one point during a rambling hourlong venting session at the White House on Thursday, his voice dripping with disdain. “We had some people that — really amazing.”

The decision to move Colonel Vindman out of the White House complex, reported previously by Bloomberg News and The Washington Post, came as Mr. Trump and his allies have made clear that they will seek to exact payback against those he blames for triggering his impeachment and trial. During his White House event, Mr. Trump denounced the “evil” and “corrupt” people who investigated him, and his spokeswoman went on television to declare that anyone who hurt the president “should pay for” it.


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Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
1  seeder  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom    2 months ago

Trump also fired Alex Vindman's twin brother.

 
 
 
WallyW
1.1  WallyW  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @1    2 months ago

The brothers are both vindictive left wing political hacks who wear a uniform 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
1.1.1  JohnRussell  replied to  WallyW @1.1    2 months ago

800

 
 
 
Dulay
1.1.2  Dulay  replied to  WallyW @1.1    2 months ago

What lead you to that unfounded conclusion Wally? 

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
1.1.3  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  WallyW @1.1    2 months ago

If Lt Col Vindman had stuck to his job as a military officer and stayed within the chain of command to voice issues instead of trying to play political activist outside the chain, he still would have his job at the White House. As it is now, it is highly doubtful Vindman and his brother, who shared his twin brothers activist sentiments, will retire any higher than Lt Col and have zero chance of ever seeing full bird or flag rank. In essence their careers are over. I have absolutely zero sympathy for the men. They brought this on themselves!

 
 
 
Dulay
1.1.4  Dulay  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @1.1.3    2 months ago
If Lt Col Vindman had stuck to his job as a military officer and stayed within the chain of command to voice issues instead of trying to play political activist outside the chain, he still would have his job at the White House.

Vindman's direct report was civilian and was IN THE ROOM WHERE IT HAPPENED Ed. His NEXT move was to report it to the NSC legal counsel. Which is exactly what he did. 

He was then subpoenaed. I suppose you think that he should have refused to testify like the rest of Trump's cult. I disagree. 

As it is now, it is highly doubtful Vindman and his brother, who shared his twin brothers activist sentiments,

Wow, did you Trump cult decoder ring tell you that? I gotta get me one of them. 

will retire any higher than Lt Col and have zero chance of ever seeing full bird or flag rank.

Yes, I'm sure that the SecDef's assurance that there would be no retaliation was bullshit too. 

In essence their careers are over. I have absolutely zero sympathy for the men. They brought this on themselves!

Judging from Vindman's testimony, he doesn't ask for or require your sympathy. He DOES however deserve your respect, he's earned it. 

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
1.1.5  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Dulay @1.1.4    2 months ago

Deserve my respect? On a cold day in Hell!

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
1.1.6  seeder  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @1.1.3    2 months ago
If Lt Col Vindman had stuck to his job as a military officer and stayed within the chain of command to voice issues instead of trying to play political activist outside the chain, he still would have his job at the White House.

The man was subpoenaed, he complied with the subpoena, and told the truth.  It took balls the size of Cleveland, devotion to the integrity of his job, and a deeper love of this country than [Trump Deleted will ever possess.]

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
1.1.7  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @1.1.6    2 months ago

With all due respect, I served my country honorably in uniform for 20 years. I love my country dearly and shed my blood for it in two wars on two different continents. That being said, please do not condescend to tell me I do not possess love for my country! You really have no clue.

 
 
 
PJ
1.1.8  PJ  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @1.1.7    2 months ago

So what.   You think your service was more valuable than Vindman's [Deleted]

 
 
 
Dulay
1.1.9  Dulay  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @1.1.5    2 months ago
Deserve my respect? On a cold day in Hell!

So his decades of honorable service to our country don't deserve your respect. Got ya. 

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
1.1.10  seeder  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @1.1.7    2 months ago
With all due respect, I served my country honorably in uniform for 20 years. I love my country dearly and shed my blood for it in two wars on two different continents. That being said, please do not condescend to tell me I do not possess love for my country! 

Your willingness to jump on Trump's punishment bandwagon offers a different point of view. 

You really have no clue.

I'll keep that in mind during my next visit to my brother's memorial at the Dallas Ft. Worth National Cemetery.  There was nothing left of his body, so the Navy sent us a lovely plaque with his name on it.  If he were here, he would be giving me a ration of shit for showing so much disrespect to a career Navy man.  Out of love and respect for him, I apologize to you.   

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
1.1.11  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @1.1.10    2 months ago

I am sincerely sorry for your loss. As far as your statement about the "punishment bandwagon", I made no mention of any punishment of Vindman. That was Vic. When I stated you had no clue, I was referring to myself and your knowledge of me.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
1.1.12  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @1.1.11    2 months ago

I also apologize for any offense I may have given.

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
1.1.13  seeder  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @1.1.12    2 months ago
I also apologize for any offense I may have given.

I am humbled.  Thank you.

 
 
 
cjcold
1.1.14  cjcold  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @1.1.13    2 months ago

Was never in the military but my golfing buddies include a garrison commander and the warden of a federal prison. I think they like golfing with someone they can't give orders to.

 
 
 
Split Personality
1.1.15  Split Personality  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @1.1.3    2 months ago

Vindman was in an unusual TAD which required him to wear civies and report to civilians;

in effect his military chain of command didn't have the necessary clearance for him to be able to report anything.

As it is now, it is highly doubtful Vindman and his brother, who shared his twin brothers activist sentiments, will retire any higher than Lt Col and have zero chance of ever seeing full bird or flag rank.

Giant leap to assume the brother's feeling and besmirch two 20 year O5's with one sentence, eh?  To be sure since Alexander V already is TAD to the Pentagon and just moves back there for a few months while awaiting his scheduled PCS to the Naval War College, his next FitRep will indeed be interesting to read.

While completing his tour of duty at the NWC, his potential to be promoted will depend highly, unfortunately, on who sits in the WH for the next 4 years.

Eugene Vindman should not be at risk for promotion or reassignment, period.

 
 
 
devangelical
1.1.16  devangelical  replied to  Split Personality @1.1.15    2 months ago

WH duty was his ticket to full bird. the void between Lt.Col and Brig.Gen is wide and deep.

 
 
 
Cathar
1.1.17  Cathar  replied to  WallyW @1.1    2 months ago

LTC Vindmann responded to a subpoena. He took an oath, to tell the truth. Not a hack but a Patriot. In contrast, tRump denied all material and witnesses form testifying under oath. tRump is no Patriot.

 
 
 
MUVA
1.1.18  MUVA  replied to  devangelical @1.1.16    2 months ago

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
1.2  Vic Eldred  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @1    2 months ago

Let's see, going around the chain of command and leaking!  How many think Vindman should be Court Martialed?

Oh, ya, that's Lt Colonel Vindman, isn't it?

 
 
 
Dulay
1.2.1  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2    2 months ago
Let's see, going around the chain of command and leaking!  How many think Vindman should be Court Martialed?Oh, ya, that's Lt Colonel Vindman, isn't it?

Oh goodie, another one spewing unfounded allegations. 

WHAT are you alleging that Vindman leaked and WHAT evidence do you have that he did so.

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
1.2.2  seeder  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2    2 months ago

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Vic Eldred
1.2.3  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dulay @1.2.1    2 months ago

He did more than that, but fear not, he may still be able to take the defense minister position in the Ukraine that he was offered a few times.  

 
 
 
JohnRussell
1.2.4  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2.3    2 months ago

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Vic Eldred
1.2.5  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @1.2.4    2 months ago

A few excepts from the House Schiff show:

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https://www.redstate.com/bonchie/2019/11/08/alexander-vindmans-testimony-appears-confirm-illegally-leaked-whistle-blower/



Vindman should be facing a Court Martial!


 
 
 
Dulay
1.2.6  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2.3    2 months ago
He did more than that, but fear not, he may still be able to take the defense minister position in the Ukraine that he was offered a few times.  

If you had one iota of PROOF for your allegations you would have posted it.

Since you didn't it begs the question: Why post that bullshit here on NT? 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
1.2.7  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dulay @1.2.6    2 months ago

I think the reader should have the chance to look at the facts and reach their own conclusions, despite the objections of Adam Schiff and a few others here.

 
 
 
Cathar
1.2.8  Cathar  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2    2 months ago

Another bend the knee comment in homage to tRump. I am sure the next comment will be a question never a defense. Please provide information that LTC Vindman leaked confidential information. Prove it.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
1.2.9  Vic Eldred  replied to  Cathar @1.2.8    2 months ago
Please provide information that LTC Vindman leaked confidential information. Prove it.

It's an open question for the reader to decide. (Gee, I hate repeating myself). It's kind of like the teacher trying to decide who took her apple. There is nobody admitting to it, but there is that obese boy standing by the teachers desk with wet drool running from his lips. 

Obviously, it really bothers some here. 

 
 
 
Dulay
1.2.10  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2.5    2 months ago

Wow Vic, you posted the smoking gun! 2 pages of a 340 page deposition which do NOT contain ONE WORD spoken by Lt. Col. Vindman. Great find! /s

Alexander Vindman’s Testimony Appears to Confirm He Illegally Leaked to the Whistle-Blower

What a load of utter crap!

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
1.2.11  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dulay @1.2.10    2 months ago
What a load of utter crap!

You know, I kind of knew you were going to say that!

 
 
 
Dulay
1.2.12  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2.7    2 months ago
I think the reader should have the chance to look at the facts and reach their own conclusions, despite the objections of Adam Schiff and a few others here.

I think the reader here on NT shouldn't have to wade the muck of innuendo and false allegations from those whose only goal is to gaslight. 

You post an allegation and then post bullshit that doesn't support it. In fact, it doesn't even support the headline in the link. 

You stated your allegations as fact Vic. You doubled down and stated that he did even more than leak. Yet as has become your MO, you post not one iota of PROOF for anything that you allege and then try to pretend that your just trying to give the reader a 'chance to reach their own conclusions'. 

NT readers deserve better. Mr. Schiff isn't here to object but I am. 

 
 
 
Dulay
1.2.13  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2.9    2 months ago
It's an open question for the reader to decide. (Gee, I hate repeating myself). It's kind of like the teacher trying to decide who took her apple. There is nobody admitting to it, but there is that obese boy standing by the teachers desk with wet drool running from his lips. 

What a load of blather.

You didn't ask an open question Vic. You've made 2 'unequivocal' statements that you can't support. Hell you even posted a part of Vindman's transcript that is evidence of NOTHING in a sad attempt to infer that there is documentary proof of your 'facts'. 

Obviously, it really bothers some here. 

Every member here should be bothered when disinformation and false allegations are posted here on NT for the sole purpose of gaslighting it's members. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
1.2.14  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dulay @1.2.12    2 months ago

It's fairly simple for people to see. Vindman was asked by Devin Nunes if he told anyone else about the call:

“Lietenant Colonel Vindman, did you discuss the July 25 phone call with anyone outside the White House on July 25 or the 26 and if so, with whom?” 

“Yes. I did,” Vindman answered in the affirmative.

When pressed on who Vindman spoke with about the call, Vindman said he spoke with two individuals not in the White House, including Deputy Assistant Secretary George Kent and another individual in the intelligence community that Vindman refused to name before being cut off by Democratic Chairman Adam Schiff.

thefederalist.com/2019/11/19/vindman-just-admitted-to-leaking-to-the-anti-trump-whistleblower/



NT readers deserve better.

And that is why I'm here.

 
 
 
Dulay
1.2.15  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2.11    2 months ago
You know, I kind of knew you were going to say that!

Yes Vic, you can always count on me to call out your comments that try to disseminate crap here on NT. Just like I can always count on you to post false comments and BS links and then hide behind a gibe rather than taking ownership for dumping crap here on NT. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
1.2.16  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dulay @1.2.15    2 months ago

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pat wilson
1.2.17  pat wilson  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2.16    2 months ago

The link doesn't work so, no, you're not "golden".

Did you mean "olden" ?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
1.2.18  JohnRussell  replied to  Dulay @1.2.13    2 months ago

Since the beginning of all this Vic has tried to reduce all the issues to process about how the investigation unfolded. 

That is all you can do when your "client" is guilty. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
1.2.19  Vic Eldred  replied to  pat wilson @1.2.17    2 months ago

Vindman admitted it in his testimony.  This is the first you heard of that?  Never read the testimony? Can't use the link or type in the words? 
That's so sad.



Did you mean "olden" ?

That would be GOLDEN as in winner by a KO in round # 1.2.14

And by the way when the ref counts you out - the fight is over!

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
1.2.20  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @1.2.18    2 months ago
Since the beginning of all this Vic has tried to reduce all the issues to process about how the investigation unfolded. 

Actually, John, Iv'e dealt with motive & actions on this one

 
 
 
lib50
1.2.21  lib50  replied to  JohnRussell @1.2.18    2 months ago

That is all they ever do, deflect to the 'process'.  Or something else.  Never address the actions of IMPOTUS, never the gop, its always someone else.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
1.2.22  Vic Eldred  replied to  lib50 @1.2.21    2 months ago
That is all they ever do

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Texan1211
1.2.23  Texan1211  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2.22    2 months ago

BINGO!

 
 
 
pat wilson
1.2.24  pat wilson  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2.19    2 months ago

Your link doesn't [work Deleted]

 
 
 
Dulay
1.2.25  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2.14    2 months ago
When pressed on who Vindman spoke with about the call, Vindman said he spoke with two individuals not in the White House, including Deputy Assistant Secretary George Kent and another individual in the intelligence community that Vindman refused to name before being cut off by Democratic Chairman Adam Schiff.

Funny how you QUOTE tidbits of transcripts or videos of the hearing that you think bolster your false statements and then fill in your agenda with statements from elsewhere. 

Vindman did NOT refuse to name the individual from the intelligence community, he was PRECLUDED from naming anyone in the intelligence community. THAT fact is made clear in the video at your link. From the C-Span transcript:

Vindman: PER THE ADVICE OF THE MY COUNCIL, I HAVE BEEN ADVISED NOT TO ANSWER SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ABOUT MEMBERS OF THE INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY.

That had been the STANDING rule throughout the depositions AND the open hearings. 

Moments later Vindman's lawyer said: 

EXCUSE ME. ON BEHALF OF MY CLIENT, WE ARE FOLLOWING THE RULE OF THE COMMITTEE, THE RULE OF THE CHAIR WITH REGARDS  TO THIS ISSUE AND THIS DOESN'T CALL FOR AN ANSWER THAT IS INVOKING THE FIFTH OR ANY THEORETICAL ISSUE LIKE THAT. WE ARE FOLLOWING THE RULING OF THE CHAIR. 

Nunes asked a question that he KNEW Vindman was PRECLUDED from answering based on the Committee's rule. Vindman's didn't answer that question because of that rule, NOT, despite your inference, for any nefarious reason. 

So yes Vic, it is fairly simple for people to see that your comments are intentionally misleading and do NOT prove any of the allegations you have made against Lt. Col. Vindman. 

But hey, you be you and keep trying to gaslight the others, it doesn't work with me. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
1.2.26  Vic Eldred  replied to  pat wilson @1.2.24    2 months ago

I'm so sorry for your troubles. The testimony is widely available online. 


Removed for context

I wouldn't go that far, Just doing my job.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
1.2.27  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dulay @1.2.25    2 months ago
Vindman did NOT refuse to name the individual from the intelligence community

That has nothing to do with his leaking to someone outside, which he admitted to!

Nice try at diversion.

You were counted out long ago. Time for the shower.

 
 
 
Dulay
1.2.28  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2.16    2 months ago
I always count on you to make me look good and today you made me golden!

The delusion in that comment is galactic. 

How do you like the way I dropped Post # 1.2.14?

You mean the comment that I easily refuted? 

What a climax!

Now you're shooting for Universal size delusion. Carry on. 

 
 
 
Dulay
1.2.29  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2.20    2 months ago

You've 'dealt' with nothing Vic. You've posted a bunch of crap that does NOT support your allegations against Vindman. 

 
 
 
lib50
1.2.30  lib50  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2.22    2 months ago

How does that skirt the code?    Especially when you dive right in like you did.

Lol,  I know when I see 'weak women' someone has lost it.  Meantime Trumpers are totally deflecting. Always tweak the answer to something not even asked, trying to make it 'their' fault (just like Trump, never answer to own words and actions).  Weak men can't handle strong women and their opinions. 

 
 
 
Dulay
1.2.31  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2.19    2 months ago
Vindman admitted it in his testimony.  

That is a lie. 

This is the first you heard of that?  Never read the testimony? Can't use the link or type in the words?  
That's so sad.

Therein lies the rub Vic. Reading it or hearing it from RW media is proof of NOTHING.

Reading the excerpts posted in the RW media and then swilling their BS interpretations  doesn't qualify one as informed Vic. 

Posting THREE WORDS from hours of testimony, out of context, merely proves how weak your sad little argument really is. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
1.2.32  Vic Eldred  replied to  lib50 @1.2.30    2 months ago

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Ed-NavDoc
1.2.33  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2.7    2 months ago

There are people that are very much afraid others will in fact look at said facts independently and draw their own conclusions.

 
 
 
Dulay
1.2.34  Dulay  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @1.2.33    2 months ago
There are people that are very much afraid others will in fact look at said facts independently and draw their own conclusions.

There are people HERE that are very much afraid that other members will call out the misleading BS that they post. They are the same people that refuse to admit that their BS is BS and would rather double down on it. 

 
 
 
Dulay
1.2.35  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2.27    2 months ago
That has nothing to do with his leaking to someone outside, which he admitted to!

The NSC is OUTSIDE of the WH Vic. Vindman briefing his counterparts in the NSC is not LEAKING, it's his fucking JOB. 

Nice try at diversion.

The only diversions have been by you in a sad and failed attempt to pretend that you can support your unfounded allegations against Vindman. 

You were counted out long ago.

Right, that's why you keep trying and failing to argue something that you know is baseless. 

Time for the shower.

If only that would wash the stench of the BS you've been slinging from this seed. 

 
 
 
cjcold
1.2.36  cjcold  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2.9    2 months ago
(Gee, I hate repeating myself).

But yet you do it day after day after day after day...……………….

 
 
 
Donald J. Trump Fan #1
1.2.37  Donald J. Trump Fan #1  replied to  Dulay @1.2.12    2 months ago

Good for you.  I don’t care.  

 
 
 
Donald J. Trump Fan #1
1.2.38  Donald J. Trump Fan #1  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2.22    2 months ago

Well said!  Voted up.  

 
 
 
Dulay
1.2.39  Dulay  replied to  Donald J. Trump Fan #1 @1.2.37    2 months ago
I don’t care.

You wouldn't. 

 
 
 
katrix
1.2.40  katrix  replied to  Donald J. Trump Fan #1 @1.2.37    2 months ago
Good for you.  I don’t care.  

Unsurprising. Trump sycophants never do seem to care about the truth, any more than they care about our Constitution.

 
 
 
MrFrost
1.2.41  MrFrost  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2.5    2 months ago

Facing a court martial for telling the truth and responding to a subpoena? I shudder to think what you think should to happen to trump for blocking legal subpoenas or trying to extort a foreign country to help him win an election...

Oh wait, nothing. 

 
 
 
katrix
1.2.42  katrix  replied to  MrFrost @1.2.41    2 months ago

Sometimes I think these people would be happier in Russia.

What kind of person agrees with a vindictive President punishing someone for responding to a subpoena and telling the truth? Someone who hates our Constitution.

 
 
 
MrFrost
1.2.43  MrFrost  replied to  katrix @1.2.42    2 months ago
Sometimes I think these people would be happier in Russia.

I am sure they would be...

512

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
1.2.44  Trout Giggles  replied to  MrFrost @1.2.43    2 months ago

I'd rather be dead than red

 
 
 
Donald J. Trump Fan #1
1.3  Donald J. Trump Fan #1  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @1    2 months ago

They weren’t fired.  They were reassigned and the one that testified is still in the Army.   

 
 
 
MrFrost
1.3.1  MrFrost  replied to  Donald J. Trump Fan #1 @1.3    2 months ago

They weren’t fired.  They were reassigned and the one that testified is still in the Army.   

Incorrect. Vindman had several months to go before his duty was finished.. He was fired from his post. 

 
 
 
1stwarrior
1.3.2  1stwarrior  replied to  MrFrost @1.3.1    2 months ago

Frostie - you of all people know how folks get "reassigned" and that does not mean FIRING.

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
1.3.3  seeder  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  1stwarrior @1.3.2    2 months ago
folks get "reassigned" and that does not mean FIRING.

1st, either way, their careers are over.  But the good news is that Rush Limbaugh has been recognized for his devoted service to our country.

 
 
 
MUVA
1.3.4  MUVA  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @1.3.3    2 months ago

I agree.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
1.3.5  1stwarrior  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @1.3.3    2 months ago

Who???

SMAAB - I agree there are times when stupid things are done on all sides of the fence and, many of them, for no apparent reason whatsoever.  Unfortunately, in the government - or any government - it happens a lot and we can second-guess all day long to our heart's content - but it ain't gonna change.  That's the issue with power - you got it, you win; you don't got it, you lose.

I worked with/for the Fed government for well over 35 years and saw/experienced it way too many times to even think about justifying the actions of the action takers when I, personally, did not agree with their decisions.  I was even "reassigned" on one occasion - so - yeah - you got the power, you win; you don't got the power, you lose.  Fortunately, my career didn't end - but I have seen it happen too many times in governmental actions.

 
 
 
Donald J. Trump Fan #1
1.3.6  Donald J. Trump Fan #1  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @1.3.3    2 months ago

I agree that Rush was honored for his great service to the people of this country.  An award well earned and justly given.  That it was awarded in Nancy’s house made it all the sweeter!  

 
 
 
lady in black
1.3.7  lady in black  replied to  Donald J. Trump Fan #1 @1.3.6    2 months ago

Sure great honor for a vile man...so you agree with what this azzwipe says about our military?  

He is a vile, disgusting, poor excuse for a human being.

https://www.duffelblog.com/2013/10/rush-limbaugh-calls-troops-welfare-queens-moochers/

Rush Limbaugh Calls Troops ‘Welfare Queens, Moochers’

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
1.3.9  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @1.3.3    2 months ago

Please tell me that you forgot the s/ tag.

 
 
 
MrFrost
1.3.11  MrFrost  replied to  1stwarrior @1.3.2    2 months ago

Frostie - you of all people know how folks get "reassigned" and that does not mean FIRING.

Oh I am well aware. He was fired from his CURRENT posting, not fired from the military, (aka discharged). His reassignment was not due for a few more months. 

Yes, I know what you are saying and you aren't wrong, but the verbiage is wrong. 

 
 
 
MrFrost
1.3.12  MrFrost  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @1.3.3    2 months ago

1st, either way, their careers are over.  But the good news is that Rush Limbaugh has been recognized for his devoted service to our country.

I hope that is sarcasm. 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
1.3.13  Trout Giggles  replied to  1stwarrior @1.3.2    2 months ago

We called it "firing" when someone had a position like NCOIC of something then lost that position. For example, we had a First Sergeant in our Med Group who was fired from his position because of sexual harassment

 
 
 
Donald J. Trump Fan #1
1.4  Donald J. Trump Fan #1  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @1    2 months ago

🥳🎊🎉👏👍🎯

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
1.4.1  Trout Giggles  replied to  Donald J. Trump Fan #1 @1.4    2 months ago

It was sarcasm and if you don't recognize that, well....

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
2  seeder  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom    2 months ago

Trump is a skank of an individual. He's learned his lesson?  What a load of baloney. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @2    2 months ago

The only lesson Trump ever learns is that his supporters have no standards they need him to conform to. 

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
2.2  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @2    2 months ago

Now that he has gotten away with being held accountable,  you can bet he will go full on tilt loose cannon.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
3  Just Jim NC TttH    2 months ago

He's getting a new assignment................It's theoretically a "transfer" so to speak. The White House isn't the place for him. His boss has now made that quite clear. Best of luck Mr. Vindman. You're probably going to need it.

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
3.1  seeder  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3    2 months ago

Do you agree with the decision?  What are your thoughts about his twin brother being fired?

 
 
 
MUVA
3.1.1  MUVA  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @3.1    2 months ago

Good news.

 
 
 
Ronin2
3.1.2  Ronin2  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @3.1    2 months ago

If it was any Democrat instead of Trump in the White House the left would be screaming for Vindman's head. The only reassignment they would accept for him would be Leavenworth for the rest of his life.

Trump has the same right as any other president to have people around he can trust. Vindman and his brother have both proven they can't be trusted being in any position of power or responsibility.

 
 
 
lib50
3.1.3  lib50  replied to  Ronin2 @3.1.2    2 months ago

Nothing to do with 'trusted'.  The twin didn't do squat. Vindman testified honestly.  Trump expects a loyalty akin to autocrats and dictators.  Like Kim, Putin, Erdogan, and MBS.  He is retaliating against people who told the truth under oath (or has the same surname).  How exactly does a liar and his supporters know anything about trust, which springs from truth?

 
 
 
Dulay
3.1.4  Dulay  replied to  Ronin2 @3.1.2    2 months ago
Vindman and his brother have both proven they can't be trusted being in any position of power or responsibility.

The Joint Chiefs of Staff disagree with YOU and Trump. 

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
3.1.5  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  Dulay @3.1.4    2 months ago
The Joint Chiefs of Staff disagree with YOU and Trump

matters not what their personal opinions are.

trump does not answer to them... they answer to trump.

 
 
 
Dulay
3.1.6  Dulay  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @3.1.5    2 months ago
matters not what their personal opinions are. trump does not answer to them... they answer to trump.

So where are the charges against them 8? I mean it's clear that in the very near future, Alexander will be assigned to train our future fighting men and women. If what you said is true, why hasn't Trump instructed the JCS to bring them up on charges for whatever the fuck he has issues with? Why would Trump allow Alexander to get a plum position in July? Come on 8, explain why the Commander in Chief is allowing this travesty. 

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
3.1.7  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Dulay @3.1.4    2 months ago

But it is okay when it is Trump who can't be trusted being in any position of power or responsibility to his minions.

 
 
 
Dulay
3.2  Dulay  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3    2 months ago
He's getting a new assignment................It's theoretically a "transfer" so to speak.

One isn't 'escorted' out of the WH when the are 'theoretically' transferred. 

The White House isn't the place for him.

The Joint Chiefs of Staff disagreed. 

His boss has now made that quite clear.

His 'boss' is a vindictive prick. 

Best of luck Mr. Vindman.

That's Lieutenant Coronel Vindman.  

You're probably going to need it.

Threats, classy. 

 
 
 
squiggy
3.2.1  squiggy  replied to  Dulay @3.2    2 months ago
That's Lieutenant Coronel Vindman.

They were both in the Army? Is a Coronel an ordinary colonel who provokes heart attacks?

 
 
 
squiggy
3.2.2  squiggy  replied to  Dulay @3.2    2 months ago
One isn't 'escorted' out of the WH when the are 'theoretically' transferred. 

Prove it.

 
 
 
Dulay
3.2.3  Dulay  replied to  squiggy @3.2.1    2 months ago
They were both in the Army?

Why yes, YES they ARE. 

Is a Coronel an ordinary colonel who provokes heart attacks?

Yes, along with the spelling police. 

 
 
 
Dulay
3.2.4  Dulay  replied to  squiggy @3.2.2    2 months ago

When one is transferred, one merely packs up and reports to his next post. At least that's what my buddy in Naval Intelligence told me.  

 
 
 
Split Personality
3.2.5  Split Personality  replied to  squiggy @3.2.1    2 months ago

Alexander will be TAD to the Pentagon until his scheduled PCS to the National War College in July.

Eugene will be TAD to the Army General Counsel for the foreseeable future.

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
3.2.6  seeder  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  squiggy @3.2.2    2 months ago
Prove it.

I saw it.  He was flanked by security personnel on both sides, and put into a cab.  That is not proper treatment of a man on his way to his next assignment.  

Is it safe to assume you have never served in the military?

 
 
 
1stwarrior
3.2.7  1stwarrior  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @3.2.6    2 months ago

SMAAB - that's standard protocol for folks "leaving the White House".

I was the SCO in one of my units and when my reassignment came up, I was "escorted" out of the area by guards also.  Just standard operation procedure.

 
 
 
Dulay
3.2.8  Dulay  replied to  1stwarrior @3.2.7    2 months ago

I must have missed it when the escorted Bolton and McMaster and Coates and Huckabee and and and. 

 
 
 
1stwarrior
3.2.9  1stwarrior  replied to  Dulay @3.2.8    2 months ago

Don't take this wrong, but there are a lot of things you've missed, along with the rest of the general public.

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
3.2.10  seeder  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  1stwarrior @3.2.7    2 months ago

I didn't realize that, but it certainly makes sense.  

Just for clarity, my comment to What'sHisNuts about not serving in the military was made because Lt. Col. Vindman is a decorated war hero with an impeccable record.  It was clear that someone (translation:  Trump) wanted to make a humiliating spectacle out of his departure.  No past or present military-affiliated person in good standing would exhibit such glee when commenting about such a spectacle.

 
 
 
Dulay
3.2.11  Dulay  replied to  1stwarrior @3.2.9    2 months ago

I was being sarcastic. I didn't miss it, it didn't happen. 

 
 
 
devangelical
3.2.12  devangelical  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @3.2.10    2 months ago

he did his duty as a patriotic American in full accordance with established gov't procedure, US law, and the strength of character a decorated veteran possesses, and this is what he gets from POS/POTUS.

 
 
 
Raven Wing
3.2.13  Raven Wing  replied to  devangelical @3.2.12    2 months ago
and this is what he gets from POS/POTUS.

Yep....it clearly shows which one has the real class, and true Patriotism for our country. Cadet Burn Spurs would crap his pants if he had to be under fire like so many of our men and women in uniform do every day of their lives while serving our country in foreign lands where our fearless POTUS so happily sends them.

I wonder how pleased he would be if he came home from battle in a foreign land with parts of his body missing, crippled for life, and/or mentally and emotionally cursed with PTSD for the rest of his life.

The only thing he cares about when it comes to the average citizens of our country is making sure there is enough men and women to send over seas somewhere at his whim. And those do who make it home alive can kick rocks if they are in need of medical help.

Those who have PTSD just have over active imaginations or headaches. Right?  /s

 
 
 
devangelical
3.2.14  devangelical  replied to  Raven Wing @3.2.13    2 months ago
mentally and emotionally cursed

trump suffers from both, yet never served or shed a drop of blood. ???

 
 
 
Raven Wing
3.2.15  Raven Wing  replied to  devangelical @3.2.14    2 months ago

We do know for a fact that Reagan served his second term while suffering from mental illness, but, assured to be fit for the job of POTUS. The same appears to be the case with Trump's doctor.

No one wants to officially declare that Trump is mentally ill, even though his overall actions indicate he is, for fear of retaliation by Trump. Just like the two y/o actions we have seen with his firing of the Vindmans as well as the many others that have fallen from 'his majesty's' grace.

 
 
 
Dean Moriarty
3.2.16  Dean Moriarty  replied to  Raven Wing @3.2.15    2 months ago

That’s hogwash. Here’s what ex fbi director Comey said. 

“I often hear people talk about it. I don’t buy this stuff about him being mentally incompetent or early stages of dementia,” Comey said in the Sunday interview. “He strikes me as a person of above average intelligence who’s tracking conversations and knows what’s going on. I don’t think he’s medically unfit to be president.”

 
 
 
pat wilson
3.2.17  pat wilson  replied to  Dean Moriarty @3.2.16    2 months ago
“I often hear people talk about it. I don’t buy this stuff about him being mentally incompetent or early stages of dementia,” Comey said in the Sunday interview. “He strikes me as a person of above average intelligence who’s tracking conversations and knows what’s going on. I don’t think he’s medically unfit to be president.”

You forgot something in that quote:

"I think he's morally unfit to be president."

https://www.kimt.com/templates/AMP?contentID=479837403

 
 
 
Raven Wing
3.2.18  Raven Wing  replied to  pat wilson @3.2.17    2 months ago
"I think he's morally unfit to be president."

And yet the Evangelical supporters all adore him, and claim he is the second coming of God. If he is in any way related to God, I am so very glad that I believe in the Creator.

However, I truly wonder what God himself thinks about being so closely compared to Trump.

And how many true Christians think about a person as morally corrupt, an immense liar, and a multi-criminal as Trump being associated with himself. I don't think that God would think highly of those who feel that way.

And that true Christians would consider Trump to be an abomination. Those who support Trump are simply CINOs, who obviously don't really believe in their God if they think he is no better than Trump.

 
 
 
devangelical
3.2.19  devangelical  replied to  Raven Wing @3.2.18    2 months ago
Evangelical supporters all adore him, and claim he is the second coming of God

that religious cult will be next into the political sewer after the trump clog is cleared

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
3.2.20  seeder  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  pat wilson @3.2.17    2 months ago
You forgot something in that quote: "I think he's morally unfit to be president."

I knew you weren't just another pretty face.

 
 
 
Raven Wing
3.2.21  Raven Wing  replied to  devangelical @3.2.19    2 months ago

It will be a great day for America when that day comes.

 
 
 
Split Personality
3.2.22  Split Personality  replied to  1stwarrior @3.2.7    2 months ago

In over 20 years, I was never once escorted to the door, the parking lot, or my car.

Nor my son in the USMC or my O5 daughter  USAF. Never.

"Go fish".

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
3.2.23  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  squiggy @3.2.1    2 months ago

Coronel?

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
3.2.24  Trout Giggles  replied to  Split Personality @3.2.22    2 months ago

Me, neither. Nor my husband. When it came time to PSC we waved to our friends and co-workers and hit the road.

 
 
 
Cathar
3.3  Cathar  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3    2 months ago

 He was under oath to testify. Where is tRumps testimony? Or those he denied testifying?  Forgot the GOP Senate failed to do so. Only Senator Romney stood for honor, morals and the Constitution. The others for tRump.

 
 
 
katrix
3.4  katrix  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3    2 months ago
The White House isn't the place for him

True, there is no place for an honest man who puts his country first and supports his Constitution in today's White House.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
4  JohnRussell    2 months ago

A person familiar with the situation said that Colonel Vindman’s twin brother, Yevgeny Vindman, also an Army lieutenant colonel who worked at the White House, was fired, as well.

And some people argue that Trump is not a dick. ROFL. 

Let's just have a civil war of words for the next year and get it over with. 

I am not interested in any sort of compromise or reconciliation with Trump supporters. They are ruining our country. 

 
 
 
Donald J. Trump Fan #1
4.1  Donald J. Trump Fan #1  replied to  JohnRussell @4    2 months ago

We aren’t interested either.  We simply intend to by our votes impose Trump upon his bi coastal and Chicago progressive left limousine liberal elitists opposition for four more years of American prosperity.  

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
5  Jeremy Retired in NC    2 months ago

Sounds like a "Relief for Cause" OER.  His military career is over.  But that's what you get when you alter official documents.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
5.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @5    2 months ago

The only thing Vindman did wrong was tell the truth. Thats a mortal sin in Trumpland. 

His brother?  Collateral damage. 

Let Trump keep this shit up for the next 10 months. It will bury him. 

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
5.1.1  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1    2 months ago
The only thing Vindman did wrong was tell the truth.

If that were the case then the military would not have permitted his removal from the position.  Like I said, a "Relief For Cause" OER and his career is over.

Let Trump keep this shit up for the next 10 months. It will bury him

I don't think the President has anything to worry about.  He's overcome hoax after hoax from the Democrats.  They have done very little to nothing for the country in the past 3 1/2 years except stomp their feet and cry over a lost election.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
5.1.2  JohnRussell  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @5.1.1    2 months ago

I dont pay any attention to people whose political views are based on conspiracy theories. 

 
 
 
Split Personality
5.1.3  Split Personality  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @5.1.1    2 months ago

BS.  Vindman will report to the Pentagon until his regular tour ends in July when he will report to the War College as planned.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/alexander-vindman-fired-and-escorted-from-the-white-house/ar-BBZLmMx?ocid=spartanntp

His brother Eugene who seemed genuinely surprised by his dismissal, will report to the office of the Army general counsel.

 
 
 
Dulay
5.1.4  Dulay  replied to  Split Personality @5.1.3    2 months ago

WTF is it with you and posting facts SP? You know that you may be causing irreparable damage to some cult members right? 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
5.1.5  JohnRussell  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @5.1.1    2 months ago
have done very little to nothing...except stomp their feet and cry over a lost election.

Unlike Trump who has lied 10,000 or 15,000 times since the election. He's a busy boy. 

 
 
 
Dulay
5.1.6  Dulay  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @5.1.1    2 months ago
Like I said, a "Relief For Cause" OER and his career is over.

Yes YOU said that yet have yet to post any proof of it.

Of course you have NO evidence but making the mere accusation achieves your goal doesn't it Jeremy? 

Disgusting. 

 
 
 
MrFrost
5.1.7  MrFrost  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @5.1.1    2 months ago

I don't think the President has anything to worry about.  He's overcome hoax after hoax from the Democrats.  They have done very little to nothing for the country in the past 3 1/2 years except stomp their feet and cry over a lost election.

256

 
 
 
Ronin2
5.1.8  Ronin2  replied to  Split Personality @5.1.3    2 months ago

So the story is a complete crock of shit is what you are saying?

Another piece of anti Trump BS.

 
 
 
Dulay
5.1.9  Dulay  replied to  Ronin2 @5.1.8    2 months ago
So the story is a complete crock of shit is what you are saying?

That's a ridiculous question. Vindman was assigned by the Joint Chiefs of Staff to his post as the Director for European Affairs for the United States National Security Council and was fired from his post before his tour was scheduled to be over. As a VALUABLE member of the US ARMY, he will be temporarily assigned at the Pentagon and then move on to the War College to train future war fighters. 

Another piece of anti Trump BS.

Nope, it accurately documents Trump's vile and vindictive actions. 

 
 
 
Ronin2
5.1.10  Ronin2  replied to  Dulay @5.1.9    2 months ago

So his career isn't over- he and his brother are being removed from his position in the White House for violating the chain of command, leaking, and altering the transcript on the phone conversation.

Again, if this were a Democratic president he did this under the left would be calling for his head, period.

 
 
 
Dulay
5.1.11  Dulay  replied to  Ronin2 @5.1.10    2 months ago
So his career isn't over-

Nor should it be since he did NOTHING wrong. 

he and his brother are being removed from his position in the White House for violating the chain of command, leaking, and altering the transcript on the phone conversation.

That is a lie. 

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
5.1.12  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.2    2 months ago

And yet here you are pushing the conspiracy theories.

 
 
 
Dulay
5.2  Dulay  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @5    2 months ago
But that's what you get when you alter official documents.

Do you intend to just spew out unfounded allegations or do you have evidence to support that bullshit? 

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
5.2.1  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Dulay @5.2    2 months ago

Evidence to a Trumper?jrSmiley_10_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
5.2.2  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Dulay @5.2    2 months ago
Do you intend to just spew out unfounded allegations

Did he release the official transcript of the Ukraine call?  No.  But he did testify that he was trying to alter it.  But, I imagine you were all cheering him along missed that little bit.

 
 
 
Dulay
5.2.3  Dulay  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @5.2.2    2 months ago
Did he release the official transcript of the Ukraine call?  Last I heard, he attempted to alter it.

Is that what they told you in Trump country? Do you seriously believe that bullshit? 

Oh and BTFW, I asked you for evidence Jeremy. Got any? 

 
 
 
Dulay
5.2.4  Dulay  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @5.2.1    2 months ago

I'm starting to think that their MAGA hats come with decoder rings so only they get the 'real' facts. 

 
 
 
Split Personality
5.2.5  Split Personality  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @5.2.2    2 months ago

How do you "alter" something that is in your job description to make the document as accurate as possible?

He fought to have the "transcript" more accurately reflect what he heard. 

 
 
 
Dulay
5.2.6  Dulay  replied to  Split Personality @5.2.5    2 months ago

Anyone that has been paying attention in the last few months should know that. But it isn't convenient and doesn't fit into their ideology or further their agenda. 

 
 
 
1stwarrior
5.2.7  1stwarrior  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @5.2.2    2 months ago

Jeremy - this is the part of the discussion that so, so many ignore.

The Times reported that Vindman tried to change the reconstructed transcript made by the White House staff to reflect the omissions. But while some of his edits appeared to have been successful, he said, those two corrections were not made.

Vindman did not testify to a motive behind the editing process, and it is not clear why some of his changes were not made, while others he recommended were, the newspaper reported.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/trump-impeachment-inquiry/national-security-official-tells-congress-he-tried-add-edits-white-n1073726

Now, if this person had been in my chain of command, I would have placed him on immediate administrative leave and had the JAG office draw up articles of violation of the USMJ for Court Martial.

He "tried to change the reconstructed transcript".  He is/was not authorized to make any such "corrections".  "it (was)is not clear why some of his changes were not made." - quite simply - he wasn't authorized to make changes and violated a lot of security issues/concerns.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
5.2.8  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Split Personality @5.2.5    2 months ago

If anyone thinks that the transcript from the call wasn't redacted by Trump, I have a bridge to sell them.  I will throw in the swamp for free.

 
 
 
MUVA
5.2.9  MUVA  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @5.2.8    2 months ago

How much for the bridge?

 
 
 
Dulay
5.2.10  Dulay  replied to  1stwarrior @5.2.7    2 months ago
Now, if this person had been in my chain of command, I would have placed him on immediate administrative leave and had the JAG office draw up articles of violation of the USMJ for Court Martial.

Really? DO tell me exactly WHAT articles of the USMJ are you alleging that Vindman violated. 

I would hope that you would investigate the events and understand what his responsibilities and authorities are before taking any adverse action against a direct report. 

Sadly, it's obvious that you didn't 

He "tried to change the reconstructed transcript".  He is/was not authorized to make any such "corrections".

Lt Col. Vindman is/was the  Director for European Affairs for the United States National Security Council and Ukraine is under HIS directorate. It sure as hell is/was his job to make corrections to the call record. IF you would have READ or listened to Vindman's testimony, you would know that. 

 "it (was)is not clear why some of his changes were not made." - quite simply - he wasn't authorized to make changes and violated a lot of security issues/concerns.

Really 1st, you have no fucking clue what you are talking about right now but hey, it's not the first time. 

Vindman is/was one of the few ELITE staff members in the NSC that is responsible for reviewing those call records for accuracy and making changes to that end.

BTW, it's clear NOW why the changes weren't made. Trump and his cult didn't want the word 'Burisma' in the record. Both Vindman and Williams testified that Burisma was cited during the call. 

 
 
 
1stwarrior
5.2.11  1stwarrior  replied to  Dulay @5.2.10    2 months ago

Sorry - but a response to you would be way above your pay grade and argumentative style.

Quite simply - you don't have the need to know.

 
 
 
Dulay
5.2.12  Dulay  replied to  1stwarrior @5.2.11    2 months ago
Sorry - but a response to you would be way above your pay grade and argumentative style.

Pretty fucking sure that the Director for European Affairs for the United States National Security Council is way above YOUR pay grade too 1st. Your bloviating about charging him with a violation of the UCMJ is laughable.

Why not just admit that you didn't have a clue about Lt. Col. Vindman's duties, authorities or responsibilities? 

Quite simply - you don't have the need to know.

You don't have the desire to. 

 
 
 
lib50
5.2.15  lib50  replied to  1stwarrior @5.2.11    2 months ago

Or you don't have the facts to back up your bullshit.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
5.2.16  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Dulay @5.2.3    2 months ago

I notice you DIDNT answer my question.

 
 
 
Dulay
5.2.17  Dulay  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @5.2.16    2 months ago
I notice you DIDNT answer my question.

What question is that Jeremy? Do you mean this one:

Did he release the official transcript of the Ukraine call? 

I sure as hell looks to me like you answered that question yourself.

No. 

That was you right? 

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
5.2.18  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  MUVA @5.2.9    2 months ago

It does need a paint job.

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
5.3  seeder  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @5    2 months ago
But that's what you get when you alter official documents.

You have a choice:  Post a verifiable link to back it up, or retract.  And yes, I'm serious.

 
 
 
Dulay
5.3.1  Dulay  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @5.3    2 months ago

He and others will make the third choice, bailing and coming back another day spewing that same brand of unfounded bullshit. 

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
5.3.2  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @5.3    2 months ago

Ohhhhyour serious. There is an option you left out.  And I'll take that option.  YOU do the research and prove me wrong.  

 
 
 
Dulay
5.3.3  Dulay  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @5.3.2    2 months ago
Ohhhhyour serious. There is an option you left out.  And I'll take that option.  YOU do the research and prove me wrong.  

You've been here long enough to know that isn't how this shit works. YOU made the assertion, YOU have the burden of proof. Please proceed. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
5.3.4  Texan1211  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @5.3.2    2 months ago
Ohhhhyour serious. There is an option you left out.  And I'll take that option.  YOU do the research and prove me wrong.  

Fat chance!!!

LOL!

Next up: Let's argue what you didn't say.

SOSDD

 
 
 
Dulay
5.3.5  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @5.3.4    2 months ago
But that's what you get when you alter official documents.

I have refuted what he DID say Tex. Do try to keep up. Let's review Jeremy's comment:

But that's what you get when you alter official documents.

I have refuted that allegation multiple times in this seed and proven it to be wrong. No one, including YOU have posted anything to contradict that.  

The allegations that Vindman leaked anything to anyone or altered anything is a LIE. Repeating it, ad nauseum [which BTW has nothing to do with being ill] doesn't make it any less a LIE. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
5.3.6  JohnRussell  replied to  Dulay @5.3.3    2 months ago

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Texan1211
5.3.7  Texan1211  replied to  Dulay @5.3.5    2 months ago

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katrix
5.3.8  katrix  replied to  Texan1211 @5.3.7    2 months ago
yawn.

I'm sorry you find facts so boring. But it explains a lot.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
5.3.9  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @5.3.2    2 months ago

Jeremy,

If you make an assertion of fact, you must provide the link(s) of that assertation. If you can't, please let us know and this thread will be deleted. 

 
 
 
Dulay
5.3.10  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @5.3.7    2 months ago

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Sean Treacy
5.3.11  Sean Treacy  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @5.3.9    2 months ago

Is that how this works now? 

SO many threads need to be deleted...

 
 
 
KDMichigan
5.3.12  KDMichigan  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @5.3.9    2 months ago


“Lt. Col. Alexander S. Vindman, the top Ukraine expert on the National Security Council, told House impeachment investigators on Tuesday that the White House transcript of a July call between President Trump and Ukraine’s president omitted crucial words and phrases, and that his attempts to restore them failed,” The Times reported, citing three people “familiar” with the testimony.

https://www.rawstory.com/2019/10/lt-col-vindman-testified-transcript-released-by-white-house-has-crucial-omissions-report/

Vindman also told investigators he tried to change the White House’s rough transcript of the call by filling in at least one of the omitted words, 

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/vindman-testified-he-tried-to-fill-in-omissions-in-trump-ukraine-transcript

Vindman also testified that the transcript failed to capture several potentially important words or phrases, including a reference by Zelensky to a Ukrainian energy company, Burisma, that had employed Biden’s son and that Trump wanted investigated. Vindman said he sought to correct the transcript but that his suggestions were not incorporated.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/white-house-official-who-heard-trumps-call-with-ukraine-leader-testified-that-he-was-told-to-keep-quiet/2019/11/01/dbed7fae-fc07-11e9-ac8c-8eced29ca6ef_story.html
 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
5.3.13  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Sean Treacy @5.3.11    2 months ago

Sean,

Read the CoC. The person who seeded the article has the right to do this. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
5.3.14  Texan1211  replied to  Dulay @5.3.10    2 months ago

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Texan1211
5.3.15  Texan1211  replied to  katrix @5.3.8    2 months ago
I'm sorry  

No problem. I wasn't worried about it in the least.

 
 
 
katrix
5.3.16  katrix  replied to  Texan1211 @5.3.15    2 months ago

Clearly not. What a shame.

 
 
 
Dulay
5.3.17  Dulay  replied to  KDMichigan @5.3.12    2 months ago

Thanks for the links KD. Of course they don't prove a fucking thing but hey, thanks anyway. 

Vindman did NOT alter any official documents. PERIOD full stop. 

 
 
 
Split Personality
5.3.18  Split Personality  replied to  Dulay @5.3.17    2 months ago

Apparently, in an effort to do his sworn duty to the utmost of his ability, LC Vindman thought that creating a transcript with the actual words used, was a good idea.  But since this transcript was the result of a political team's interpretation of the phone call, facts appear to have been adverse to the process. 

Our NT brethren here are resting their case for altering an official document on Vindman's efforts to make the document more truthful and therefor less false.

Hardly something the White House or any military command would initiate a courts martial over.

 
 
 
Dulay
5.3.19  Dulay  replied to  Split Personality @5.3.18    2 months ago
Hardly something the White House or any military command would initiate a courts martial over.

There is no petty act of revenge that I would put past this WH. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
5.3.20  Texan1211  replied to  katrix @5.3.16    2 months ago
Clearly not.

True enough there. Whenever it comes to anything Trump, there are always too many hysterical fools already commenting and whining. Why would I add to the noise?

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
5.3.21  Trout Giggles  replied to  Split Personality @5.3.18    2 months ago

So he was trying to do his job but was thwarted.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
5.3.22  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @5.3.9    2 months ago

You mean I CAN'T use the same methods as many others here?  

And the reference I use in regards to the "Relief for Cause" OER is DA Pam 632-3.  The position shithead held is an assignment.  Not a "for hire" position.  He's being removed from the position, either by reassignment or being fired - which brings on the end of his career as a US Army Officer.

 
 
 
PJ
6  PJ    2 months ago

This is a sad and scary situation.  We all need to be prepared for worse things to happen to our democracy.  This president does the opposite of what a president of the free world would do.  I'm actually very worried what will happen next.  

 
 
 
Dulay
6.1  Dulay  replied to  PJ @6    2 months ago
 I'm actually very worried what will happen next.  

We already know what happened next. Trump recalled Ambassador Sondland. I wonder if he thinks he got his million dollars worth? 

 
 
 
PJ
6.1.1  PJ  replied to  Dulay @6.1    2 months ago

The firing of the Vindman brothers and the recall of Sondland is nothing compared to the investigations he and Barr are going to launch against Americans that he deems his enemies.  What this president and his administration are going to do behind the scenes we won't be privy to until it has happened or years later.  In other words, until after the damage is done.  This is the most anti american president and following that I've witnessed in my lifetime or my parent's lifetime and probably my grandparent's lifetime.  These are dangerous times because there are so many voters who don't seem to understand that this isn't a football game where the objective is to win the game and then everything resets until the next game.  What this president and his administration are doing will have many negative affects against the nation for generations.  

 
 
 
MUVA
6.1.2  MUVA  replied to  PJ @6.1.1    2 months ago

Not enemies they are called criminals,that is who Barr is looking at. 

 
 
 
Cathar
6.1.3  Cathar  replied to  MUVA @6.1.2    2 months ago

You mean the grifters in the White House who charge our Government $600.00 for Secret Service protection while tRump vacations at his dilapidated resorts. You can bet he will charge U.S. taxpayers for"fixing" his properties before this grifter King leaves the stage and is dumped in the dust bin of History.

 
 
 
lib50
6.1.4  lib50  replied to  MUVA @6.1.2    2 months ago

Barr isn't the USAG, he is Trump's personal AG, and has done everything to protect Trump and not the country.  Protecting the crime family who is sucking up our tax dollars directly into their wallets every time they go to a Trump property (who jacks up the price WE PAY for the rooms for the Secret Service.  Socialism for the rich.  Corruption at the highest.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
6.1.5  1stwarrior  replied to  lib50 @6.1.4    2 months ago

Learn your facts before you post - 

"William Pelham Barr (born May 23, 1950) is an American lawyer and government official serving as the 85th United States Attorney General, "

https://www.justice.gov/ag/staff-profile/meet-attorney-general

 
 
 
lib50
6.1.6  lib50  replied to  1stwarrior @6.1.5    2 months ago

HE IS ACTING LIKE A PERSONAL AG, NOT THE USAG.  Nothing you said refutes a thing I said.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
6.1.7  1stwarrior  replied to  lib50 @6.1.6    2 months ago

You said - "Barr isn't the USAG, he is Trump's personal AG"

Please show us where you said he was ACTING.

 
 
 
Dulay
6.1.8  Dulay  replied to  1stwarrior @6.1.5    2 months ago
Learn your facts before you post -

Like you did before you pontificated on bringing Vindman up for Court Martial? 

Pffft. 

 
 
 
lib50
6.1.9  lib50  replied to  1stwarrior @6.1.7    2 months ago

Really?    Good lord, I guess I expected more from you.  My bad. 

 
 
 
Tacos!
7  Tacos!    2 months ago

Yawn. Whatever. These people serve at the pleasure of the president and this particular president has been famous for decades as someone who fires people easily. Naturally, the media will try to make a scandal of this, but exactly 0.002% of the population cares about these guys getting fired. You won't hear any more about this - probably by tomorrow, but definitely by Monday.

 
 
 
Cathar
7.1  Cathar  replied to  Tacos! @7    2 months ago

2% of what populations? 70 plus percent of all Americans wanted witnesses and testimony. The GOP Senators other than the Honorable Senator Romney bent the knee to a dictator wannabe who struts like Mussolini and governs like the Keystone Kops.

 
 
 
Texan1211
7.1.1  Texan1211  replied to  Cathar @7.1    2 months ago

You lose a lot of credibility when you drag Mussolini or Hitler into an argument that has nothing whatsoever to do with them.

 
 
 
Cathar
7.1.2  Cathar  replied to  Texan1211 @7.1.1    2 months ago

According to you. I could care less about what you think about my comments on Mussolini and Hitler. I am a Historian by education you are lost in the wilderness of tRump.

 
 
 
Texan1211
7.1.3  Texan1211  replied to  Cathar @7.1.2    2 months ago

I would certainly hope that a real historian would not make such asinine comparisons.

But you be you.

 
 
 
lib50
7.1.4  lib50  replied to  Texan1211 @7.1.3    2 months ago

Students of history know the comparisons too.  All I see from Trumpers are attempts to equate socialism to nazis,   always leaving out the most important parts of Hitler's manipulations of German fears using socialism and racism to do it.  So don't bother with the tired comparisons, historians and informed folk don't fall for that crap.  Fascism is a far right ideology that uses fear and hate to divide and conquer.

 
 
 
Tacos!
7.1.5  Tacos!  replied to  Cathar @7.1    2 months ago
2% of what populations?

I didn't say 2%. I said 0.002%. that's 2/1000s of 1 percent. So if we're talking the US population, I think that's about 6500 people who might remotely give a shit that this guy won't be working in the White House anymore. Honestly, I think that figure might be a little high. It's probably more like 0.00002%.

70 plus percent of all Americans wanted witnesses and testimony.

Who cares? I wasn't talking about that.

the Honorable Senator Romney

How long have you thought of him as "honorable?" Was he ever honorable enough for you that you actually voted for him? Just wondering.

 
 
 
Tacos!
7.1.6  Tacos!  replied to  Cathar @7.1.2    2 months ago
I am a Historian by education

Then that makes any comparisons you make with Hitler and Mussolini even more ridiculous.

 
 
 
Texan1211
7.1.7  Texan1211  replied to  lib50 @7.1.4    2 months ago
Students of history know the comparisons too.  All I see from Trumpers are attempts to equate socialism to nazis,   always leaving out the most important parts of Hitler's manipulations of German fears using socialism and racism to do it.  So don't bother with the tired comparisons, historians and informed folk don't fall for that crap.  Fascism is a far right ideology that uses fear and hate to divide and conquer.

When someone compares the US President to Mussolini or Hitler, it shows an amazing lack of real history knowledge.

And when they have to resort to that kind of crap, then I know I have won the argument.

Denial is futile.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
7.1.8  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Tacos! @7.1.6    2 months ago

No, as an historian, he is knowledgeable in a subject that not many are.

 
 
 
freepress
8  freepress    2 months ago

Okay "Tea Party", where is the "Support Our Troops" bumper sticker crowd? Not standing up for veterans when it counts.

 
 
 
Texan1211
8.1  Texan1211  replied to  freepress @8    2 months ago
Okay "Tea Party", where is the "Support Our Troops" bumper sticker crowd? Not standing up for veterans when it counts.

Do you think people should get all riled up every time a soldier is transferred?

Should we all demand that no veteran should ever be transferred?

WHAT exactly should Tea Party people do to satisfy you?

 
 
 
Cathar
8.1.1  Cathar  replied to  Texan1211 @8.1    2 months ago

Timing is everything and tRump did this as retribution. Why did he remove his Brother? Do not even try to make a cogent argument just listen to tRump when he made is clear this week it is payback time.

 
 
 
Texan1211
8.1.2  Texan1211  replied to  Cathar @8.1.1    2 months ago
Timing is everything and tRump did this as retribution. Why did he remove his Brother? Do not even try to make a cogent argument just listen to tRump when he made is clear this week it is payback time.

WTF does that have to do with my post, or even the one I responded to????

 
 
 
Cathar
8.1.3  Cathar  replied to  Texan1211 @8.1.2    2 months ago

WTF is all you have to say. I answered your post with the point the "transfer " was done for retribution. Try to keep up.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
8.1.4  JohnRussell  replied to  Texan1211 @8.1    2 months ago
Do you think people should get all riled up every time a soldier is transferred? Should we all demand that no veteran should ever be transferred?

LOL. Wow. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
8.1.5  Texan1211  replied to  Cathar @8.1.3    2 months ago
WTF is all you have to say. 

That statement is patently false, as evidenced by your very own next sentence. Which is:

I answered your post with the point the "transfer " was done for retribution. 

Which has absolutely nothing at all to do with my post or the one I responded to.

Try to keep up.

I'm keeping up just fine--which is how I am able to recognize such bullshit when it is flung at me.

 
 
 
Texan1211
8.1.6  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @8.1.4    2 months ago

Have you ever heard the expression "He serves at the pleasure of the President"?

Do you know what that means?

 
 
 
Cathar
8.1.7  Cathar  replied to  Texan1211 @8.1.5    2 months ago

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Cathar
8.1.8  Cathar  replied to  Texan1211 @8.1.6    2 months ago

With tRump no one serves with Pleasure only fear.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
8.1.9  Vic Eldred  replied to  Cathar @8.1.7    2 months ago
I doubt you recognize much with those tRump blinders on. 

One thing is recognizable - it's the face of defeat!

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Texan1211
8.1.10  Texan1211  replied to  Cathar @8.1.7    2 months ago
Removed for context - s

What you doubt or don't doubt isn't any of my concern. 

With tRump no one serves with Pleasure only fear.

Yet another unsupported, dubious claim devoid of facts.

WTF is a tRump anyways?

Is that your rather childish way of slamming your President?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
8.1.11  JohnRussell  replied to  Texan1211 @8.1.10    2 months ago
Is that your rather childish way of slamming your President?

He's a child, so he should expect childish names, no? 

ANYTHING that you can accuse Trump opponents of being, such as childish, already exists by him, and many many many times moreso. 

Its comical to watch trump supporters think they are actually defending something that cannot be defended. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
8.1.12  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @8.1.11    2 months ago

Not nearly as funny as watching grown-ass adults resorting to 3rd grade name-calling.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
8.1.13  JohnRussell  replied to  Texan1211 @8.1.12    2 months ago
Not nearly as funny as watching grown-ass adults resorting to 3rd grade name-calling.

You mean like this

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Where's Hunter [18] Hunter Biden American lawyer and lobbyist who is the second son of former U.S. Vice President Joe Biden
1 Percent Biden [19] Joe Biden 47th   vice president of the United States , former U.S. senator from Delaware, former chair of the   Senate Foreign Relations Committee , 2020 Democratic presidential candidate
Crazy Joe Biden [20]
Quid Pro Joe [21]
Sleepy Joe [20]   / SleepyCreepy Joe [22]   / Sleepy One [23]   / Very slow sleepy Joe [24]
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Mini Mike Bloomberg [26]   / Mini Mike [27]
Da Nang   Richard [28]   / Da Nang Dick [29] Richard Blumenthal U.S. senator from Connecticut, 23rd   attorney general of Connecticut
Mr. Tough Guy [30] John R. Bolton Former U.S. national security advisor and United States ambassador to the United Nations
Gov. Jerry "Moonbeam" Brown [31] [b] Jerry Brown 34th and 39th   governor of California , 31st   attorney general of California , former   secretary of state of California , 6th chair of the   California Democratic Party
Bush Original [32] George H. W. Bush 41st president of the United States, 43rd   vice president of the United States , former   director of Central Intelligence
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Boot-Edge-Edge [33] [c] Pete Buttigieg Mayor of South Bend, Indiana ,   2020 Democratic presidential candidate
Howdy Doody
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Crooked Hillary [1] [38]
Heartless Hillary [39] [40] [41]
Lyin' Hillary [42] [43]
Leakin' [44]   / Lying [45]   James Comey James Comey Former director of the   Federal Bureau of Investigation   fired by Trump, former   United States deputy attorney general , former   United States acting attorney general
Sanctimonious James Comey [46]
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Slippery James Comey [36]
Shady James Comey [48]
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Hightax Andrew Cuomo [50] Andrew Cuomo 56th   governor of New York , 64th   attorney general of New York , former   United States secretary of housing and urban development
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Dicky Durbin [52] Dick Durbin U.S. senator from Illinois,   Senate Minority Whip   and deputy senate Democratic leader
Sneaky Dianne Feinstein [53] Dianne Feinstein U.S. senator from California, former chair of the   Senate Intelligence Committee , 38th   mayor of San Francisco
Leaking Dianne Feinstein [54]
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Wacky Omarosa [63]

Wacky and Deranged Omarosa [64]

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Highly Conflicted Bob Mueller [68] Robert Mueller Former director of the   Federal Bureau of Investigation   and head of special counsel investigation into the   Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections
Fat Jerry [69] Jerry Nadler U.S. representative   from New York's 10th congressional district, chair of the   Committee on the Judiciary
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Eva Perón   / Evita [71] Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez U.S. representative from New York
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Foul Mouthed Omar [73] Ilhan Omar U.S. representative from Minnesota
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High Tax, High Crime Nancy Pelosi [77] Nancy Pelosi Speaker   of the   United States House of Representatives
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Mike Pounce [81] Mike Pence 48th Vice President of the United States
Wacky Jacky [82] Jacky Rosen U.S. senator from Nevada, former U.S. representative from   Nevada's 3rd congressional district
Mr. Peepers [83]   (denied by Trump) [84] Rod Rosenstein United States Deputy Attorney General
Little Marco [1] Marco Rubio U.S. senator from Florida, 2016 Republican presidential candidate, former   speaker of the Florida House of Representatives
0% Tim Ryan [85] Tim Ryan U.S. representative from Ohio, 2020 Democratic Presidential candidate
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Little Adam Schitt [87] [88] Adam Schiff U.S. representative for   California's 28th congressional district , chair of the   House Intelligence Committee
Sleazy Adam Schiff [89]
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Pencil Neck [91] [92]
Shifty Schiff [93]   / Shifty [94]
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High Tax Schumer [96]
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Texan1211
8.1.14  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @8.1.13    2 months ago

I don't support name-calling from anyone.

It is just that I don't think it is an impeachable offense.

And neither is reassigning people.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
8.1.15  JohnRussell  replied to  Texan1211 @8.1.14    2 months ago

Who impeached Trump because he gives people childish nicknames? 

 
 
 
Texan1211
8.1.16  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @8.1.15    2 months ago
Who impeached Trump because he gives people childish nicknames?

I don't know of anyone who did. No one said they did, did they?

Do you not see ANY hypocrisy in someone criticizing the President for name-calling WHILE doing the same to him?

Probably not.

sigh.

SMH

 
 
 
JohnRussell
8.1.17  JohnRussell  replied to  Texan1211 @8.1.16    2 months ago

Trump criticizes people for doing the same things he does himself, only more. 

No peep from you about that.

 
 
 
Dulay
8.1.18  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @8.1.6    2 months ago
Have you ever heard the expression "He serves at the pleasure of the President"?

Yet you insisted that he was 'transferred'. Trump didn't ask for his resignation. The Vindmans weren't transferred, they were fired from their post son the NSC. PERIOD, full stop. 

Do you know what that means? 

I know it means to Trump that he can take revenge at will and even further, to punish a patriot for the perceived slight by his brother. 

 
 
 
Dulay
8.1.19  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @8.1.10    2 months ago
WTF is a tRump anyways?

It's an Abuela with a dick. You know what an Abuela is right Tex? 

 
 
 
Cathar
8.1.20  Cathar  replied to  Vic Eldred @8.1.9    2 months ago

Come November it will be the GOP and tRump who face defeat. I doubt they meet it with honor or grace.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
8.1.21  XDm9mm  replied to  Cathar @8.1.20    2 months ago
Come November it will be the GOP and tRump who face defeat. I doubt they meet it with honor or grace

Don't hold your breath.  I'm thinking along the lines of a majority, if not a super majority in the House, additional seats in the Senate and Trump re-elected.

 
 
 
Cathar
8.1.22  Cathar  replied to  XDm9mm @8.1.21    2 months ago

Only in the fear-induced dreams from tRumps swamp.

 
 
 
Cathar
8.1.23  Cathar  replied to  Texan1211 @8.1.14    2 months ago

But violating Federal law in withholding approved funds to Ukraine is. tRump did that solely for personal reasons. He is a stain on our National Honor and a threat to our National Security.

 
 
 
Texan1211
8.1.24  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @8.1.17    2 months ago
Trump criticizes people for doing the same things he does himself, only more. 

Yes, he does. That isn't what I was talking about if you bother to read what I have posted.

No peep from you about that.

Is that some kind of fucking requirement with you?  Sorry I don't feel the need to climb up on a soapbox every single fucking day to berate the President of the US. There are plenty of folks who do nothing else. One in particular comes immediately to mind.

 
 
 
Texan1211
8.1.25  Texan1211  replied to  Dulay @8.1.19    2 months ago
It's an Abuela with a dick.

Then it wouldn't BE an abuela. It would be an abuelo.

You know what an Abuela is right Tex? 

Of course. It is a grandmother. I try to make sure I know what words mean before using them. Hence the reason why I wouldn't make the mistake of thinking an abuela has a dick.

Now we BOTH fucking know what an abuela is, and what an abuelo is.

You're welcome.

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
8.1.26  seeder  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  Texan1211 @8.1.6    2 months ago
Have you ever heard the expression "He serves at the pleasure of the President"? Do you know what that means?

In your case, it means that you are ok with Trump taking his cues from the Vladimir Putin/Kim Jong Un playbook.

 
 
 
Dulay
8.1.27  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @8.1.25    2 months ago
Of course. It is a grandmother.

Yet hilariously you have used it as a pejorative against Hillary Clinton ad nauseam. It indicates that, unlike most, you have little respect for grandmothers. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
8.1.28  Texan1211  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @8.1.26    2 months ago
n your case, it means that you are ok with Trump taking his cues from the Vladimir Putin/Kim Jong Un playbook.

More fucking wah-wah-wah.

You do not know me and CLEARLY have no idea what is okay with me. Why pretend you do??

 
 
 
Texan1211
8.1.29  Texan1211  replied to  Dulay @8.1.27    2 months ago
Yet hilariously you have used it as a pejorative against Hillary Clinton ad nauseam. 

If you are feeling ill, feel free to ignore my posts. It won't matter at all to me.

I used "Abuela" when referring to Hillary because that is how she wanted people to think of her. Her own fucking ads said so.

So excuse the FUCK out of me if I refer to her as she wishes.

If Abuela is a perjorative to you, too bad.

Doesn't have one damn thing to do with respect for grandmothers. That's just stupid.

 
 
 
Tacos!
8.1.30  Tacos!  replied to  Dulay @8.1.27    2 months ago
Yet hilariously you have used it as a pejorative against Hillary Clinton ad nauseam

It was her idea.

Clinton campaign: '7 ways Hillary Clinton is just like your abuela'

Hillary Clinton's campaign is playing off the news that her daughter Chelsea is having another baby with a list of “7 ways Hillary Clinton is just like your abuela,” using the Spanish term for "grandmother."
The list , posted on her campaign website, includes quotes, photos, tweets and video clips from Clinton giving off grandmotherly vibes — like reading to children and tweeting about vaccines — while also demanding "el respeto" (respect in Spanish).
 
 
 
Dulay
8.1.31  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @8.1.29    2 months ago
If you are feeling ill, feel free to ignore my posts. It won't matter at all to me.

I'm embarrassed for you. 

So excuse the FUCK out of me if I refer to her as she wishes.
If Abuela is a perjorative to you, too bad.

Oh so you meant it as an endearment, my bad. /s

 
 
 
Dulay
8.1.32  Dulay  replied to  Tacos! @8.1.30    2 months ago
It was her idea.

Sure Tacos!, it was Hillary Clinton's idea that Tex should call her Abuela as a pejorative. Ya, that's the ticket...

Pfffft. 

 
 
 
Tacos!
8.1.33  Tacos!  replied to  Dulay @8.1.32    2 months ago
that Tex should call her Abuela as a pejorative

Did he? Are you sure? I don't see where he did that, so maybe you could cite the comment you are referring to and explain why you think it must be a pejorative.

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
8.1.34  seeder  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  Texan1211 @8.1.28    2 months ago
More fucking wah-wah-wah. You do not know me and CLEARLY have no idea what is okay with me. Why pretend you do??

I must admit that I was hoping for a snappier reply.

 
 
 
pat wilson
8.1.35  pat wilson  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @8.1.34    2 months ago

Someone's triggered, hahahahahaha

 
 
 
Dulay
8.1.36  Dulay  replied to  Tacos! @8.1.33    2 months ago
Did he?

Yes. 

Are you sure?

Yes. 

I don't see where he did that, so maybe you could cite the comment you are referring to and explain why you think it must be a pejorative.

He admitted to calling Hillary Clinton Abuela. Did you miss that? Not even he denies that it was pejorative. Carry on. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
8.1.37  Texan1211  replied to  Dulay @8.1.31    2 months ago
I'm embarrassed for you. 


Well, shucks. jrSmiley_84_smiley_image.gifjrSmiley_84_smiley_image.gif

Oh so you meant it as an endearment, my bad. /s

Well, there ya go--AGAIN. Reading exactly what I didn't write. I didn't say that it was an endearment OR a perjorative.

Reading exactly what I write and then RESPONDING accordingly is how this is supposed to work.  Go play with someone else if the best you can do is IMAGINE something I wrote.

 
 
 
Texan1211
8.1.38  Texan1211  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @8.1.34    2 months ago
I must admit that I was hoping for a snappier reply.

Oh, sorry. I always try to remember who is going to read my posts and make sure they can actually understand what I write. That is why I keep it simple.

 
 
 
Texan1211
8.1.39  Texan1211  replied to  Dulay @8.1.36    2 months ago
He admitted to calling Hillary Clinton Abuela. Did you miss that? Not even he denies that it was pejorative. 

No, I did not deny it was pejorative.

And I didn't deny it was a term of endearment.

I also didn't deny that I am a 14 year old mixed race child living in California.

My failure to deny doesn't make YOUR statement a bit true.

Carry on. 

That seem right up your alley.

Have fun!

 
 
 
Texan1211
8.1.40  Texan1211  replied to  Dulay @8.1.32    2 months ago
it was Hillary Clinton's idea that Tex should call her Abuela as a pejorative.

Abuela Hillary doesn't know me from Adam. She also didn't know the very vast majority of the people she pandered to and wanted them to think of her that way.

But she and her campaign persisted.

LOL!

 
 
 
Tacos!
8.1.41  Tacos!  replied to  Texan1211 @8.1.37    2 months ago

I dunnoooo. Sounds like something you made up or twisted again. Can’t cite it. Can’t prove your claim. And I doubt you can demonstrate why anyone should care anyway. You’re certainly not one to judge.

 
 
 
Texan1211
8.1.42  Texan1211  replied to  Tacos! @8.1.41    2 months ago

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Texan1211
8.1.43  Texan1211  replied to  Tacos! @8.1.41    2 months ago

I guess someone never tires of arguing stuff no one ever says.

A little weak, I believe, to employ such tactics.

Are you suprised?

 
 
 
Dulay
8.1.44  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @8.1.39    2 months ago
No, I did not deny it was pejorative.

It's pretty obvious every time you use it. 

And I didn't deny it was a term of endearment.

Your love for Hillary Clinton is evident. /s

 
 
 
Dulay
8.1.45  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @8.1.40    2 months ago
Abuela Hillary doesn't know me from Adam.

But Tacos! insists that 'It was her idea.'

 
 
 
Texan1211
8.1.46  Texan1211  replied to  Dulay @8.1.44    2 months ago
It's pretty obvious every time you use it.

Gee, if Spanish was my first language, would you be complaining?

Your love for Hillary Clinton is evident. /s

I have no use at all for Hillary Clinton.

So what?

 
 
 
Texan1211
8.1.47  Texan1211  replied to  Dulay @8.1.45    2 months ago
But Tacos! insists that 'It was her idea.'

Jeezus.

He was right. He posted the info about her campaign and how it had that ad up--The Seven Ways Hillary Clinton is Like your Abuela".

[deleted]

 
 
 
Tacos!
8.1.48  Tacos!  replied to  Texan1211 @8.1.43    2 months ago
Are you suprised?

No, but it’s like watching a video of someone opening up a shook up bottle of beer. You know what’s going to happen. You know it’s going to be embarrassing and painful to watch. But you can’t take your eyes off of it.

 
 
 
Dulay
8.1.49  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @8.1.47    2 months ago
He was right. He posted the info about her campaign and how it had that ad up--The Seven Ways Hillary Clinton is Like your Abuela".

Pointing out ones similarity to your grandmother does NOT mean that one is ASKING to be called a grandmother in a derogatory way, does it Tex? 

 
 
 
Texan1211
8.1.50  Texan1211  replied to  Dulay @8.1.49    2 months ago

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Texan1211
8.1.51  Texan1211  replied to  Dulay @8.1.49    2 months ago
Pointing out ones similarity to your grandmother does NOT mean that one is ASKING to be called a grandmother in a derogatory way, does it Tex? 

No one here has claimed such total nonsense, so why are you bringing it up?

YOUR perception is yours alone.

 
 
 
Dulay
8.1.52  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @8.1.51    2 months ago
No one here has claimed such total nonsense, so why are you bringing it up?

Actually, Tacos! did just that. 

YOUR perception is yours alone.

As is yours. See how that shit works? 

 
 
 
Tacos!
8.1.53  Tacos!  replied to  Dulay @8.1.52    2 months ago
Actually, Tacos! did just that. 

I did? I don't think so. I claimed that Hillary Clinton wanted to be called "abuela" in a derogatory way? I made no such claim. I pointed out that the idea that people should think of her as an abuela was her idea and that's true. Please don't come in here and lie about things I said and didn't say just to feed your need to win absurd arguments. You're the only one around here insisting that "abuela" is a pejorative.

 
 
 
Texan1211
8.1.54  Texan1211  replied to  Dulay @8.1.52    2 months ago
Actually, Tacos! did just that. 

Actually, your comment is a lie.

 
 
 
Texan1211
8.1.55  Texan1211  replied to  Tacos! @8.1.53    2 months ago
I claimed that Hillary Clinton wanted to be called "abuela" in a derogatory way? I made no such claim. I pointed out that the idea that people should think of her as an abuela was her idea and that's true. Please don't come in here and lie about things I said and didn't say just to feed your need to win absurd arguments. You're the only one around here insisting that "abuela" is a pejorative.

Covered and accurately predicted in 8.1.43.

Wow! WHAT A SURPRISE!

 
 
 
Dulay
8.1.56  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @8.1.54    2 months ago

YOUR perception is yours alone.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
8.1.57  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  JohnRussell @8.1.4    2 months ago

I made sure that my transfer to Ft. Polk did not go through.  SF was much better.

 
 
 
MrFrost
8.1.58  MrFrost  replied to  Vic Eldred @8.1.9    2 months ago

512

 
 
 
Dulay
8.1.59  Dulay  replied to  Tacos! @8.1.53    2 months ago
I did? I don't think so. I claimed that Hillary Clinton wanted to be called "abuela" in a derogatory way? I made no such claim.

Yes you did:

Yet hilariously you have used it as a pejorative against Hillary Clinton ad nauseam It was her idea.

 
 
 
Cathar
9  Cathar    2 months ago

The right-wing hacks supporting this President believe that LTC Vindman deserved what he got for being subpoenaed and honoring the subpoena and testifying under oath to the truth. His comments were corroborated. His Brother was never involved.

No, what tRump is doing is playing payback for the crimes against our National Security and now wants to make examples of those testifying.

All the while he failed to testify under oath and stopped others from doing so. The true patriots are the Vindman Borhers those condemning them Sunshine Patriots at best.

 
 
 
Texan1211
9.1  Texan1211  replied to  Cathar @9    2 months ago
All the while he failed to testify under oath

Was Trump subpoena'd by Congress?

 
 
 
lib50
9.1.1  lib50  replied to  Texan1211 @9.1    2 months ago

His documents were.  Otherwise, Trump is a liar who would never be allowed to testify under oath.  Never.  And he tried to stop every witness. 

By the way, top military brass like Trump's ex Navy Secretary are endorsing Bloomberg.  I don't think military and veterans who still have functioning brains are going to support those who crap them.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
9.1.2  Vic Eldred  replied to  lib50 @9.1.1    2 months ago
By the way, top military brass like Trump's ex Navy Secretary are endorsing Bloomberg. 

You mean Richard V Spencer who went around the chain of command to arrange a deal in the Gallagher trial?  The last few Navy Secretaries have been a huge disappointment. How about we find someone one who has no political agenda?

 
 
 
lib50
9.1.3  lib50  replied to  Vic Eldred @9.1.2    2 months ago

That is a whole seed in itself, Trump pardoned a WAR CRIMINAL and it has a real impact on the military and the future.  How about we find a president that doesn't make it more dangerous for our soldiers?  The draft dodging, non serving cowards are harming the military.  [Deleted]  Disrespecting the military gets noticed.

 
 
 
MUVA
9.1.4  MUVA  replied to  lib50 @9.1.3    2 months ago

I know four people that voted for Trump who served a total of 80 years in military two of them West Point graduates.

 
 
 
Cathar
9.1.5  Cathar  replied to  Texan1211 @9.1    2 months ago

He could of voluntarily offer to testify. Why did he DENY all others to testify from his cabinet? What was he afraid of?

 
 
 
Cathar
9.1.6  Cathar  replied to  MUVA @9.1.4    2 months ago

Such a scientific analysis. I am sure we can find 20 who did not including relatives who served and earned Bronze Stars in Vietnam. This is not the issue. The issue is tRump putting our Military in harm's way and then slamming them when they disagree. He issued today that anyone not agreeing with him he would harm. Not fit to be President.

 
 
 
Cathar
9.1.7  Cathar  replied to  Vic Eldred @9.1.2    2 months ago

That sure would not be Barr.

 
 
 
Dulay
9.1.8  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @9.1.2    2 months ago
The last few Navy Secretaries have been a huge disappointment. How about we find someone one who has no political agenda?

Yet Trump just nominated corporate lobbyist so that'll make it all better. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
9.1.9  Texan1211  replied to  lib50 @9.1.1    2 months ago
His documents were.  

Wow, that would be a very good answer IF I had asked "Were Trump's documents subpoena'd?"

it wasn't, though.

Otherwise, Trump is a liar who would never be allowed to testify under oath.  Never. 

Do you realize exactly how crazy that sounds?

jrSmiley_88_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Texan1211
9.1.10  Texan1211  replied to  Cathar @9.1.5    2 months ago
He could of voluntarily offer to testify.

LOL!

And give credence to that farce?

LOL!

And if Congress were truly interested in forcing people to testify, they certainly should have sought redress in court.

 
 
 
Cathar
9.1.11  Cathar  replied to  Texan1211 @9.1.10    2 months ago

The only farce is tRump as President. He was given rights to testify at the judiciary hearings and declined then claim that he was not given Due Process. Very soon Due Process will find Mr. tRump and provide him his chance to defend himself.

 
 
 
Texan1211
9.1.12  Texan1211  replied to  Cathar @9.1.11    2 months ago
The only farce is tRump as President.

And I am sure every day you wake up, you are still pissed that he is your President.

Very soon Due Process will find Mr. tRump and provide him his chance to defend himself.

Oh? Are Democrats going to exhibit exactly how crazy they are by impeaching him--again?

Seems like it didn't work out too well for them the first time they tried.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
9.1.13  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  MUVA @9.1.4    2 months ago

Thank them for their service from me.

 
 
 
Dulay
9.1.14  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @9.1.10    2 months ago
LOL! And give credence to that farce?

So didn't Trump's ad nauseam [again, has nothing to do with being ill] tweeting about it give it credence? 

 
 
 
Texan1211
9.1.15  Texan1211  replied to  Dulay @9.1.14    2 months ago

Of course not.

Don't be ridiculous.

 
 
 
Dulay
9.1.16  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @9.1.15    2 months ago
Of course not.

Why not? Trump is testifying with his every tweet. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
9.1.17  Texan1211  replied to  Dulay @9.1.16    2 months ago

Wow.

When you are wrong, you are really, really, really wrong.

 
 
 
Dulay
9.1.18  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @9.1.17    2 months ago

testify:

to make a statement based on personal knowledge or belief 

So based on you comment, Trump's tweets aren't based on personal knowledge or belief. 

Well done. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
9.1.19  Texan1211  replied to  Dulay @9.1.18    2 months ago
testify:
to make a statement based on personal knowledge or belief 

That is one definition. Here is another one, more widely used ans MUCH more apropos to what was under discussion:

testify

give evidence as a witness in a law court.

here is another one:

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/testify

Testify definition is - to make a solemn declaration under oath for the purpose of establishing a fact (as in a court)

Now, you have fun with your little word games. When your recess is over, come back and play.

So based on you comment, Trump's tweets aren't based on personal knowledge or belief.

I can not help whatever it is you think of what I wrote, nor can I understand it for you. You are on your own there. I haven't the time nor patience to do this crap with you.

 
 
 
Dulay
9.1.20  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @9.1.19    2 months ago

Actually Tex, you and I were talking about tweets, NOT court statements. 

It's NOT a word game when words have multiple meanings. Having a more expanded lexicon helps when expressing oneself exclusively in that medium.

 
 
 
Texan1211
9.1.21  Texan1211  replied to  Dulay @9.1.20    2 months ago

Yeah, one just has to read the entire thread to understand where you went off the rails.

And the little games you like to play.

have fun!

 
 
 
JBB
10  JBB    2 months ago

At long last we have our answer. It is, "No". The damn gop has no shame and no honor, no decency at all...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_N._Welch

 
 
 
Donald J. Trump Fan #1
10.1  Donald J. Trump Fan #1  replied to  JBB @10    2 months ago

At long last we have our answer.  It is “No”  The darn democrat party has no shame and no honor, no decency at all...

 
 
 
JBB
10.1.1  JBB  replied to  Donald J. Trump Fan #1 @10.1    2 months ago

I see the historical context was lost on you...

McCarthy had no decency about ruining lives.

 
 
 
katrix
10.1.2  katrix  replied to  Donald J. Trump Fan #1 @10.1    2 months ago

Haha, projecting just like Trump does. Anytime Trump or his party does something despicable, they try to pretend it's the Dems doing it. Typical toddler behavior.

 
 
 
evilgenius
11  evilgenius    2 months ago

Trump is Emperor of the "dispicables" and we shouldn't be surprised when he does the vindictive shit what we expect him to do. The Vindman brothers and Sondland will be just fine all things considered. Dems need to stop pissing in the wind with their hair on fire and concentrate on organizing around candidates to push through a Presidency and united Congress for 2021. 

 
 
 
pat wilson
12  pat wilson    2 months ago

800

 
 
 
MrFrost
12.1  MrFrost  replied to  pat wilson @12    2 months ago

I guess we don't need to wonder who El Chapo would vote for. 

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
12.1.1  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  MrFrost @12.1    2 months ago
I guess we don't need to wonder who El Chapo would vote for. 

el chapo needs sciff as his prosecutor... LOL

 
 
 
MrFrost
12.1.2  MrFrost  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @12.1.1    2 months ago

el chapo needs sciff as his prosecutor... LOL

I'll assume you meant Schiff. That being said, there were witnesses in the House, none in the Senate. Also, pretty sure it was trumps team of retards were the ones that insisted on NO witnesses and NO documents. Yes? I remember a vote taking place in the Senate about witnesses and documents, and which party was it again that voted AGAINST them? HINT: It wasn't Democrats. 

And lets be honest, all innocent people tell witnesses to not testify...

Because...

512

Naw, i'm sure he is totally innocent...all the witnesses and documents prove it...

Oh, never mind. 

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
12.1.3  seeder  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  MrFrost @12.1.2    2 months ago

Nothin' but net!!!!!!

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
12.1.4  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @12.1.3    2 months ago

Schwiss

cheese

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
12.1.5  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  MrFrost @12.1.2    2 months ago
That being said, there were witnesses in the House,

and not a single one was a fact witness.  speculation. feelings. and un-named sources. do not work in this country.  

if a disgruntled neighbor of yours told the cops they had no direct knowledge but they had a "feeling you were breaking a law.   you would tell them all to go pound sand as well

there is no need to defend oneself from fabricated BS in this country

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
12.1.6  seeder  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @12.1.5    2 months ago
and not a single one was a fact witness.  speculation. feelings. and un-named sources. do not work in this country.

You can say that all you want.  When you consider that it wasn't the case, it makes the comment quite silly.

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
12.1.7  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @12.1.6    2 months ago
When you consider that it wasn't the case

try again, the dems had no actual evidence and therefore no case. 

"the resistance" failed.  and they will continue to fail.

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
12.1.8  seeder  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @12.1.7    2 months ago

Let me guess...5?  Maybe 6 times?

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
12.1.9  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @12.1.8    2 months ago

every time/

:)

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
13  The Magic Eight Ball    2 months ago
Vindman Fired From The White House

it is bigger than that...

Bigger than Vindman: Trump scrubs 70 Obama holdovers from NSC

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/bigger-than-vindman-trump-scrubs-70-obama-holdovers-from-nsc


"the resistance" is having a bad year :)

 
 
 
WallyW
13.1  WallyW  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @13    2 months ago

The great purge has begun!

 
 
 
Dulay
13.2  Dulay  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @13    2 months ago

While the Russians, Chinese et al cheer. 

We are all SO much more safe now aren't we? /s

 
 
 
MrFrost
14  MrFrost    2 months ago

Take care everyone. Buh Bye..

 
 
 
It Is ME
15  It Is ME    2 months ago

When did "Transferred" or "Recalled" now become "Fired" ?

 
 
 
KDMichigan
15.1  KDMichigan  replied to  It Is ME @15    2 months ago
When did "Transferred" or "Recalled" now become "Fired" ?

Since it had a better ring to it to the permanently offended TDS crowd.

 
 
 
It Is ME
15.1.1  It Is ME  replied to  KDMichigan @15.1    2 months ago

The "Media" is sooooo un-biased these days. jrSmiley_10_smiley_image.gif

 
 
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