Impeachment Witness Alexander Vindman Fired From the White House
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Via: sister-mary-agnes-ample-bottom • 4 years ago • 304 commentsBy: Maggie Haberman and Peter Baker
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The White House on Friday dismissed Lt. Col. Alexander S. Vindman, whose testimony in the House impeachment hearings infuriated President Trump and his allies, escorting him out of the complex just days after the Senate trial ended in acquittal, his lawyer said.
“There is no question in the mind of any American why this man’s job is over, why this country now has one less soldier serving it at the White House,” David Pressman, the lawyer, said in a statement. “Lt. Col. Vindman was asked to leave for telling the truth. His honor, his commitment to right, frightened the powerful.”
A person familiar with the situation said that Colonel Vindman’s twin brother, Yevgeny Vindman, also an Army lieutenant colonel who worked at the White House, was fired, as well.
The dismissal was foreshadowed earlier in the day when Mr. Trump essentially confirmed to reporters before leaving on a trip to North Carolina that Colonel Alexander Vindman would be pushed out. “Well, I’m not happy with him,” the president said of Colonel Vindman. “You think I’m supposed to be happy with him? I’m not.”
The president then reposted a Twitter message from a supporter advocating the colonel’s dismissal: “Vindman’s behavior is a scandal. He should be removed from the @RealDonaldTrump White House ASAP to protect our foreign policy from his machinations.”
Colonel Vindman retains his rank in the Army, and it was not immediately clear what his next assignment will be.
The action comes just two days after Mr. Trump was acquitted in a Senate impeachment trial that turned in part on the testimony of Colonel Vindman and other administration officials who described a campaign to pressure Ukraine into announcing corruption investigations into former Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. and other Democrats.
Mr. Trump has made clear his personal antipathy for Colonel Vindman, who oversaw American policy toward Ukraine on the National Security Council staff and whose twin brother, Lt. Col. Yevgeny Vindman, works as a lawyer for the N.S.C. “Lieutenant Colonel Vindman and his twin brother, right?” the president said at one point during a rambling hourlong venting session at the White House on Thursday, his voice dripping with disdain. “We had some people that — really amazing.”
The decision to move Colonel Vindman out of the White House complex, reported previously by Bloomberg News and The Washington Post, came as Mr. Trump and his allies have made clear that they will seek to exact payback against those he blames for triggering his impeachment and trial. During his White House event, Mr. Trump denounced the “evil” and “corrupt” people who investigated him, and his spokeswoman went on television to declare that anyone who hurt the president “should pay for” it.
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Trump also fired Alex Vindman's twin brother.
Let's see, going around the chain of command and leaking! How many think Vindman should be Court Martialed?
Oh, ya, that's Lt Colonel Vindman, isn't it?
Oh goodie, another one spewing unfounded allegations.
WHAT are you alleging that Vindman leaked and WHAT evidence do you have that he did so.
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He did more than that, but fear not, he may still be able to take the defense minister position in the Ukraine that he was offered a few times.
A few excepts from the House Schiff show:
Vindman should be facing a Court Martial!
If you had one iota of PROOF for your allegations you would have posted it.
Since you didn't it begs the question: Why post that bullshit here on NT?
I think the reader should have the chance to look at the facts and reach their own conclusions, despite the objections of Adam Schiff and a few others here.
Another bend the knee comment in homage to tRump. I am sure the next comment will be a question never a defense. Please provide information that LTC Vindman leaked confidential information. Prove it.
It's an open question for the reader to decide. (Gee, I hate repeating myself). It's kind of like the teacher trying to decide who took her apple. There is nobody admitting to it, but there is that obese boy standing by the teachers desk with wet drool running from his lips.
Obviously, it really bothers some here.
Wow Vic, you posted the smoking gun! 2 pages of a 340 page deposition which do NOT contain ONE WORD spoken by Lt. Col. Vindman. Great find! /s
What a load of utter crap!
You know, I kind of knew you were going to say that!
I think the reader here on NT shouldn't have to wade the muck of innuendo and false allegations from those whose only goal is to gaslight.
You post an allegation and then post bullshit that doesn't support it. In fact, it doesn't even support the headline in the link.
You stated your allegations as fact Vic. You doubled down and stated that he did even more than leak. Yet as has become your MO, you post not one iota of PROOF for anything that you allege and then try to pretend that your just trying to give the reader a 'chance to reach their own conclusions'.
NT readers deserve better. Mr. Schiff isn't here to object but I am.
What a load of blather.
You didn't ask an open question Vic. You've made 2 'unequivocal' statements that you can't support. Hell you even posted a part of Vindman's transcript that is evidence of NOTHING in a sad attempt to infer that there is documentary proof of your 'facts'.
Every member here should be bothered when disinformation and false allegations are posted here on NT for the sole purpose of gaslighting it's members.
It's fairly simple for people to see. Vindman was asked by Devin Nunes if he told anyone else about the call:
“Lietenant Colonel Vindman, did you discuss the July 25 phone call with anyone outside the White House on July 25 or the 26 and if so, with whom?”
“Yes. I did,” Vindman answered in the affirmative.
When pressed on who Vindman spoke with about the call, Vindman said he spoke with two individuals not in the White House, including Deputy Assistant Secretary George Kent and another individual in the intelligence community that Vindman refused to name before being cut off by Democratic Chairman Adam Schiff.
thefederalist.com/2019/11/19/vindman-just-admitted-to-leaking-to-the-anti-trump-whistleblower/
NT readers deserve better.
And that is why I'm here.
Yes Vic, you can always count on me to call out your comments that try to disseminate crap here on NT. Just like I can always count on you to post false comments and BS links and then hide behind a gibe rather than taking ownership for dumping crap here on NT.
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The link doesn't work so, no, you're not "golden".
Did you mean "olden" ?
Since the beginning of all this Vic has tried to reduce all the issues to process about how the investigation unfolded.
That is all you can do when your "client" is guilty.
Vindman admitted it in his testimony. This is the first you heard of that? Never read the testimony? Can't use the link or type in the words?
That's so sad.
Did you mean "olden" ?
That would be GOLDEN as in winner by a KO in round # 1.2.14
And by the way when the ref counts you out - the fight is over!
Actually, John, Iv'e dealt with motive & actions on this one
That is all they ever do, deflect to the 'process'. Or something else. Never address the actions of IMPOTUS, never the gop, its always someone else.
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BINGO!
Your link doesn't [work Deleted]
Funny how you QUOTE tidbits of transcripts or videos of the hearing that you think bolster your false statements and then fill in your agenda with statements from elsewhere.
Vindman did NOT refuse to name the individual from the intelligence community, he was PRECLUDED from naming anyone in the intelligence community. THAT fact is made clear in the video at your link. From the C-Span transcript:
That had been the STANDING rule throughout the depositions AND the open hearings.
Moments later Vindman's lawyer said:
Nunes asked a question that he KNEW Vindman was PRECLUDED from answering based on the Committee's rule. Vindman's didn't answer that question because of that rule, NOT, despite your inference, for any nefarious reason.
So yes Vic, it is fairly simple for people to see that your comments are intentionally misleading and do NOT prove any of the allegations you have made against Lt. Col. Vindman.
But hey, you be you and keep trying to gaslight the others, it doesn't work with me.
I'm so sorry for your troubles. The testimony is widely available online.
Removed for context
I wouldn't go that far, Just doing my job.
That has nothing to do with his leaking to someone outside, which he admitted to!
Nice try at diversion.
You were counted out long ago. Time for the shower.
The delusion in that comment is galactic.
You mean the comment that I easily refuted?
Now you're shooting for Universal size delusion. Carry on.
You've 'dealt' with nothing Vic. You've posted a bunch of crap that does NOT support your allegations against Vindman.
How does that skirt the code? Especially when you dive right in like you did.
Lol, I know when I see 'weak women' someone has lost it. Meantime Trumpers are totally deflecting. Always tweak the answer to something not even asked, trying to make it 'their' fault (just like Trump, never answer to own words and actions). Weak men can't handle strong women and their opinions.
That is a lie.
Therein lies the rub Vic. Reading it or hearing it from RW media is proof of NOTHING.
Reading the excerpts posted in the RW media and then swilling their BS interpretations doesn't qualify one as informed Vic.
Posting THREE WORDS from hours of testimony, out of context, merely proves how weak your sad little argument really is.
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There are people that are very much afraid others will in fact look at said facts independently and draw their own conclusions.
There are people HERE that are very much afraid that other members will call out the misleading BS that they post. They are the same people that refuse to admit that their BS is BS and would rather double down on it.
The NSC is OUTSIDE of the WH Vic. Vindman briefing his counterparts in the NSC is not LEAKING, it's his fucking JOB.
The only diversions have been by you in a sad and failed attempt to pretend that you can support your unfounded allegations against Vindman.
Right, that's why you keep trying and failing to argue something that you know is baseless.
If only that would wash the stench of the BS you've been slinging from this seed.
But yet you do it day after day after day after day...……………….
Good for you. I don’t care.
Well said! Voted up.
You wouldn't.
Unsurprising. Trump sycophants never do seem to care about the truth, any more than they care about our Constitution.
Facing a court martial for telling the truth and responding to a subpoena? I shudder to think what you think should to happen to trump for blocking legal subpoenas or trying to extort a foreign country to help him win an election...
Oh wait, nothing.
Sometimes I think these people would be happier in Russia.
What kind of person agrees with a vindictive President punishing someone for responding to a subpoena and telling the truth? Someone who hates our Constitution.
I am sure they would be...
I'd rather be dead than red
They weren’t fired. They were reassigned and the one that testified is still in the Army.
Incorrect. Vindman had several months to go before his duty was finished.. He was fired from his post.
Frostie - you of all people know how folks get "reassigned" and that does not mean FIRING.
1st, either way, their careers are over. But the good news is that Rush Limbaugh has been recognized for his devoted service to our country.
Who???
SMAAB - I agree there are times when stupid things are done on all sides of the fence and, many of them, for no apparent reason whatsoever. Unfortunately, in the government - or any government - it happens a lot and we can second-guess all day long to our heart's content - but it ain't gonna change. That's the issue with power - you got it, you win; you don't got it, you lose.
I worked with/for the Fed government for well over 35 years and saw/experienced it way too many times to even think about justifying the actions of the action takers when I, personally, did not agree with their decisions. I was even "reassigned" on one occasion - so - yeah - you got the power, you win; you don't got the power, you lose. Fortunately, my career didn't end - but I have seen it happen too many times in governmental actions.
I agree that Rush was honored for his great service to the people of this country. An award well earned and justly given. That it was awarded in Nancy’s house made it all the sweeter!
Sure great honor for a vile man...so you agree with what this azzwipe says about our military?
He is a vile, disgusting, poor excuse for a human being.
Rush Limbaugh Calls Troops ‘Welfare Queens, Moochers’
Rush the addict?
Limbaugh admits addiction to pain medication
King of rightwing radio addicted to 'hillbilly heroin'
Rush the liar?
Rush Limbaugh admits his attacks on Obama were ‘bogus’ as he attempts to defend Trump
Rush Tells His Audience ‘I’m Full of Crap’...Seriously!
Please tell me that you forgot the s/ tag.
Oh I am well aware. He was fired from his CURRENT posting, not fired from the military, (aka discharged). His reassignment was not due for a few more months.
Yes, I know what you are saying and you aren't wrong, but the verbiage is wrong.
I hope that is sarcasm.
We called it "firing" when someone had a position like NCOIC of something then lost that position. For example, we had a First Sergeant in our Med Group who was fired from his position because of sexual harassment
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It was sarcasm and if you don't recognize that, well....
Trump is a skank of an individual. He's learned his lesson? What a load of baloney.
The only lesson Trump ever learns is that his supporters have no standards they need him to conform to.
Now that he has gotten away with being held accountable, you can bet he will go full on tilt loose cannon.
He's getting a new assignment................It's theoretically a "transfer" so to speak. The White House isn't the place for him. His boss has now made that quite clear. Best of luck Mr. Vindman. You're probably going to need it.
Do you agree with the decision? What are your thoughts about his twin brother being fired?
If it was any Democrat instead of Trump in the White House the left would be screaming for Vindman's head. The only reassignment they would accept for him would be Leavenworth for the rest of his life.
Trump has the same right as any other president to have people around he can trust. Vindman and his brother have both proven they can't be trusted being in any position of power or responsibility.
Nothing to do with 'trusted'. The twin didn't do squat. Vindman testified honestly. Trump expects a loyalty akin to autocrats and dictators. Like Kim, Putin, Erdogan, and MBS. He is retaliating against people who told the truth under oath (or has the same surname). How exactly does a liar and his supporters know anything about trust, which springs from truth?
The Joint Chiefs of Staff disagree with YOU and Trump.
matters not what their personal opinions are.
trump does not answer to them... they answer to trump.
So where are the charges against them 8? I mean it's clear that in the very near future, Alexander will be assigned to train our future fighting men and women. If what you said is true, why hasn't Trump instructed the JCS to bring them up on charges for whatever the fuck he has issues with? Why would Trump allow Alexander to get a plum position in July? Come on 8, explain why the Commander in Chief is allowing this travesty.
But it is okay when it is Trump who can't be trusted being in any position of power or responsibility to his minions.
One isn't 'escorted' out of the WH when the are 'theoretically' transferred.
The Joint Chiefs of Staff disagreed.
His 'boss' is a vindictive prick.
That's Lieutenant Coronel Vindman.
Threats, classy.
They were both in the Army? Is a Coronel an ordinary colonel who provokes heart attacks?
Prove it.
Why yes, YES they ARE.
Yes, along with the spelling police.
When one is transferred, one merely packs up and reports to his next post. At least that's what my buddy in Naval Intelligence told me.
Alexander will be TAD to the Pentagon until his scheduled PCS to the National War College in July.
Eugene will be TAD to the Army General Counsel for the foreseeable future.
I saw it. He was flanked by security personnel on both sides, and put into a cab. That is not proper treatment of a man on his way to his next assignment.
Is it safe to assume you have never served in the military?
SMAAB - that's standard protocol for folks "leaving the White House".
I was the SCO in one of my units and when my reassignment came up, I was "escorted" out of the area by guards also. Just standard operation procedure.
I must have missed it when the escorted Bolton and McMaster and Coates and Huckabee and and and.
Don't take this wrong, but there are a lot of things you've missed, along with the rest of the general public.
I didn't realize that, but it certainly makes sense.
Just for clarity, my comment to What'sHisNuts about not serving in the military was made because Lt. Col. Vindman is a decorated war hero with an impeccable record. It was clear that someone (translation: Trump) wanted to make a humiliating spectacle out of his departure. No past or present military-affiliated person in good standing would exhibit such glee when commenting about such a spectacle.
I was being sarcastic. I didn't miss it, it didn't happen.
he did his duty as a patriotic American in full accordance with established gov't procedure, US law, and the strength of character a decorated veteran possesses, and this is what he gets from POS/POTUS.
Yep....it clearly shows which one has the real class, and true Patriotism for our country. Cadet Burn Spurs would crap his pants if he had to be under fire like so many of our men and women in uniform do every day of their lives while serving our country in foreign lands where our fearless POTUS so happily sends them.
I wonder how pleased he would be if he came home from battle in a foreign land with parts of his body missing, crippled for life, and/or mentally and emotionally cursed with PTSD for the rest of his life.
The only thing he cares about when it comes to the average citizens of our country is making sure there is enough men and women to send over seas somewhere at his whim. And those do who make it home alive can kick rocks if they are in need of medical help.
Those who have PTSD just have over active imaginations or headaches. Right? /s
trump suffers from both, yet never served or shed a drop of blood. ???
We do know for a fact that Reagan served his second term while suffering from mental illness, but, assured to be fit for the job of POTUS. The same appears to be the case with Trump's doctor.
No one wants to officially declare that Trump is mentally ill, even though his overall actions indicate he is, for fear of retaliation by Trump. Just like the two y/o actions we have seen with his firing of the Vindmans as well as the many others that have fallen from 'his majesty's' grace.
That’s hogwash. Here’s what ex fbi director Comey said.
“I often hear people talk about it. I don’t buy this stuff about him being mentally incompetent or early stages of dementia,” Comey said in the Sunday interview. “He strikes me as a person of above average intelligence who’s tracking conversations and knows what’s going on. I don’t think he’s medically unfit to be president.”
You forgot something in that quote:
"I think he's morally unfit to be president."
And yet the Evangelical supporters all adore him, and claim he is the second coming of God. If he is in any way related to God, I am so very glad that I believe in the Creator.
However, I truly wonder what God himself thinks about being so closely compared to Trump.
And how many true Christians think about a person as morally corrupt, an immense liar, and a multi-criminal as Trump being associated with himself. I don't think that God would think highly of those who feel that way.
And that true Christians would consider Trump to be an abomination. Those who support Trump are simply CINOs, who obviously don't really believe in their God if they think he is no better than Trump.
that religious cult will be next into the political sewer after the trump clog is cleared
I knew you weren't just another pretty face.
It will be a great day for America when that day comes.
In over 20 years, I was never once escorted to the door, the parking lot, or my car.
Nor my son in the USMC or my O5 daughter USAF. Never.
"Go fish".
Coronel?
Me, neither. Nor my husband. When it came time to PSC we waved to our friends and co-workers and hit the road.
He was under oath to testify. Where is tRumps testimony? Or those he denied testifying? Forgot the GOP Senate failed to do so. Only Senator Romney stood for honor, morals and the Constitution. The others for tRump.
True, there is no place for an honest man who puts his country first and supports his Constitution in today's White House.
A person familiar with the situation said that Colonel Vindman’s twin brother, Yevgeny Vindman, also an Army lieutenant colonel who worked at the White House, was fired, as well.
And some people argue that Trump is not a dick. ROFL.
Let's just have a civil war of words for the next year and get it over with.
I am not interested in any sort of compromise or reconciliation with Trump supporters. They are ruining our country.
We aren’t interested either. We simply intend to by our votes impose Trump upon his bi coastal and Chicago progressive left limousine liberal elitists opposition for four more years of American prosperity.
Sounds like a "Relief for Cause" OER. His military career is over. But that's what you get when you alter official documents.
The only thing Vindman did wrong was tell the truth. Thats a mortal sin in Trumpland.
His brother? Collateral damage.
Let Trump keep this shit up for the next 10 months. It will bury him.
If that were the case then the military would not have permitted his removal from the position. Like I said, a "Relief For Cause" OER and his career is over.
I don't think the President has anything to worry about. He's overcome hoax after hoax from the Democrats. They have done very little to nothing for the country in the past 3 1/2 years except stomp their feet and cry over a lost election.
I dont pay any attention to people whose political views are based on conspiracy theories.
BS. Vindman will report to the Pentagon until his regular tour ends in July when he will report to the War College as planned.
His brother Eugene who seemed genuinely surprised by his dismissal, will report to the office of the Army general counsel.
WTF is it with you and posting facts SP? You know that you may be causing irreparable damage to some cult members right?
Unlike Trump who has lied 10,000 or 15,000 times since the election. He's a busy boy.
Yes YOU said that yet have yet to post any proof of it.
Of course you have NO evidence but making the mere accusation achieves your goal doesn't it Jeremy?
Disgusting.
So the story is a complete crock of shit is what you are saying?
Another piece of anti Trump BS.
That's a ridiculous question. Vindman was assigned by the Joint Chiefs of Staff to his post as the Director for European Affairs for the United States National Security Council and was fired from his post before his tour was scheduled to be over. As a VALUABLE member of the US ARMY, he will be temporarily assigned at the Pentagon and then move on to the War College to train future war fighters.
Nope, it accurately documents Trump's vile and vindictive actions.
So his career isn't over- he and his brother are being removed from his position in the White House for violating the chain of command, leaking, and altering the transcript on the phone conversation.
Again, if this were a Democratic president he did this under the left would be calling for his head, period.
Nor should it be since he did NOTHING wrong.
That is a lie.
And yet here you are pushing the conspiracy theories.
Do you intend to just spew out unfounded allegations or do you have evidence to support that bullshit?
Evidence to a Trumper?
Did he release the official transcript of the Ukraine call? No. But he did testify that he was trying to alter it. But, I imagine you were all cheering him along missed that little bit.
Is that what they told you in Trump country? Do you seriously believe that bullshit?
Oh and BTFW, I asked you for evidence Jeremy. Got any?
I'm starting to think that their MAGA hats come with decoder rings so only they get the 'real' facts.
How do you "alter" something that is in your job description to make the document as accurate as possible?
He fought to have the "transcript" more accurately reflect what he heard.
Anyone that has been paying attention in the last few months should know that. But it isn't convenient and doesn't fit into their ideology or further their agenda.
Jeremy - this is the part of the discussion that so, so many ignore.
The Times reported that Vindman tried to change the reconstructed transcript made by the White House staff to reflect the omissions. But while some of his edits appeared to have been successful, he said, those two corrections were not made.
Vindman did not testify to a motive behind the editing process, and it is not clear why some of his changes were not made, while others he recommended were, the newspaper reported.
Now, if this person had been in my chain of command, I would have placed him on immediate administrative leave and had the JAG office draw up articles of violation of the USMJ for Court Martial.
He "tried to change the reconstructed transcript". He is/was not authorized to make any such "corrections". "it (was)is not clear why some of his changes were not made." - quite simply - he wasn't authorized to make changes and violated a lot of security issues/concerns.
If anyone thinks that the transcript from the call wasn't redacted by Trump, I have a bridge to sell them. I will throw in the swamp for free.
Really? DO tell me exactly WHAT articles of the USMJ are you alleging that Vindman violated.
I would hope that you would investigate the events and understand what his responsibilities and authorities are before taking any adverse action against a direct report.
Sadly, it's obvious that you didn't
Lt Col. Vindman is/was the Director for European Affairs for the United States National Security Council and Ukraine is under HIS directorate. It sure as hell is/was his job to make corrections to the call record. IF you would have READ or listened to Vindman's testimony, you would know that.
Really 1st, you have no fucking clue what you are talking about right now but hey, it's not the first time.
Vindman is/was one of the few ELITE staff members in the NSC that is responsible for reviewing those call records for accuracy and making changes to that end.
BTW, it's clear NOW why the changes weren't made. Trump and his cult didn't want the word 'Burisma' in the record. Both Vindman and Williams testified that Burisma was cited during the call.
Sorry - but a response to you would be way above your pay grade and argumentative style.
Quite simply - you don't have the need to know.
Pretty fucking sure that the Director for European Affairs for the United States National Security Council is way above YOUR pay grade too 1st. Your bloviating about charging him with a violation of the UCMJ is laughable.
Why not just admit that you didn't have a clue about Lt. Col. Vindman's duties, authorities or responsibilities?
You don't have the desire to.
Or you don't have the facts to back up your bullshit.
I notice you DIDNT answer my question.
What question is that Jeremy? Do you mean this one:
I sure as hell looks to me like you answered that question yourself.
That was you right?
It does need a paint job.
You have a choice: Post a verifiable link to back it up, or retract. And yes, I'm serious.
He and others will make the third choice, bailing and coming back another day spewing that same brand of unfounded bullshit.
Ohhhhyour serious. There is an option you left out. And I'll take that option. YOU do the research and prove me wrong.
You've been here long enough to know that isn't how this shit works. YOU made the assertion, YOU have the burden of proof. Please proceed.
Fat chance!!!
LOL!
Next up: Let's argue what you didn't say.
SOSDD
I have refuted what he DID say Tex. Do try to keep up. Let's review Jeremy's comment:
I have refuted that allegation multiple times in this seed and proven it to be wrong. No one, including YOU have posted anything to contradict that.
The allegations that Vindman leaked anything to anyone or altered anything is a LIE. Repeating it, ad nauseum [which BTW has nothing to do with being ill] doesn't make it any less a LIE.
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I'm sorry you find facts so boring. But it explains a lot.
Jeremy,
If you make an assertion of fact, you must provide the link(s) of that assertation. If you can't, please let us know and this thread will be deleted.
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Is that how this works now?
SO many threads need to be deleted...
Sean,
Read the CoC. The person who seeded the article has the right to do this.
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No problem. I wasn't worried about it in the least.
Clearly not. What a shame.
Thanks for the links KD. Of course they don't prove a fucking thing but hey, thanks anyway.
Vindman did NOT alter any official documents. PERIOD full stop.
Apparently, in an effort to do his sworn duty to the utmost of his ability, LC Vindman thought that creating a transcript with the actual words used, was a good idea. But since this transcript was the result of a political team's interpretation of the phone call, facts appear to have been adverse to the process.
Our NT brethren here are resting their case for altering an official document on Vindman's efforts to make the document more truthful and therefor less false.
Hardly something the White House or any military command would initiate a courts martial over.
There is no petty act of revenge that I would put past this WH.
True enough there. Whenever it comes to anything Trump, there are always too many hysterical fools already commenting and whining. Why would I add to the noise?
So he was trying to do his job but was thwarted.
You mean I CAN'T use the same methods as many others here?
And the reference I use in regards to the "Relief for Cause" OER is DA Pam 632-3. The position shithead held is an assignment. Not a "for hire" position. He's being removed from the position, either by reassignment or being fired - which brings on the end of his career as a US Army Officer.
This is a sad and scary situation. We all need to be prepared for worse things to happen to our democracy. This president does the opposite of what a president of the free world would do. I'm actually very worried what will happen next.
We already know what happened next. Trump recalled Ambassador Sondland. I wonder if he thinks he got his million dollars worth?
The firing of the Vindman brothers and the recall of Sondland is nothing compared to the investigations he and Barr are going to launch against Americans that he deems his enemies. What this president and his administration are going to do behind the scenes we won't be privy to until it has happened or years later. In other words, until after the damage is done. This is the most anti american president and following that I've witnessed in my lifetime or my parent's lifetime and probably my grandparent's lifetime. These are dangerous times because there are so many voters who don't seem to understand that this isn't a football game where the objective is to win the game and then everything resets until the next game. What this president and his administration are doing will have many negative affects against the nation for generations.
You mean the grifters in the White House who charge our Government $600.00 for Secret Service protection while tRump vacations at his dilapidated resorts. You can bet he will charge U.S. taxpayers for"fixing" his properties before this grifter King leaves the stage and is dumped in the dust bin of History.
Barr isn't the USAG, he is Trump's personal AG, and has done everything to protect Trump and not the country. Protecting the crime family who is sucking up our tax dollars directly into their wallets every time they go to a Trump property (who jacks up the price WE PAY for the rooms for the Secret Service. Socialism for the rich. Corruption at the highest.
Learn your facts before you post -
"William Pelham Barr (born May 23, 1950) is an American lawyer and government official serving as the 85th United States Attorney General, "
HE IS ACTING LIKE A PERSONAL AG, NOT THE USAG. Nothing you said refutes a thing I said.
You said - "Barr isn't the USAG, he is Trump's personal AG"
Please show us where you said he was ACTING.
Like you did before you pontificated on bringing Vindman up for Court Martial?
Pffft.
Really? Good lord, I guess I expected more from you. My bad.
Yawn. Whatever. These people serve at the pleasure of the president and this particular president has been famous for decades as someone who fires people easily. Naturally, the media will try to make a scandal of this, but exactly 0.002% of the population cares about these guys getting fired. You won't hear any more about this - probably by tomorrow, but definitely by Monday.
2% of what populations? 70 plus percent of all Americans wanted witnesses and testimony. The GOP Senators other than the Honorable Senator Romney bent the knee to a dictator wannabe who struts like Mussolini and governs like the Keystone Kops.
You lose a lot of credibility when you drag Mussolini or Hitler into an argument that has nothing whatsoever to do with them.
According to you. I could care less about what you think about my comments on Mussolini and Hitler. I am a Historian by education you are lost in the wilderness of tRump.
I would certainly hope that a real historian would not make such asinine comparisons.
But you be you.
Students of history know the comparisons too. All I see from Trumpers are attempts to equate socialism to nazis, always leaving out the most important parts of Hitler's manipulations of German fears using socialism and racism to do it. So don't bother with the tired comparisons, historians and informed folk don't fall for that crap. Fascism is a far right ideology that uses fear and hate to divide and conquer.
I didn't say 2%. I said 0.002%. that's 2/1000s of 1 percent. So if we're talking the US population, I think that's about 6500 people who might remotely give a shit that this guy won't be working in the White House anymore. Honestly, I think that figure might be a little high. It's probably more like 0.00002%.
Who cares? I wasn't talking about that.
How long have you thought of him as "honorable?" Was he ever honorable enough for you that you actually voted for him? Just wondering.
Then that makes any comparisons you make with Hitler and Mussolini even more ridiculous.
When someone compares the US President to Mussolini or Hitler, it shows an amazing lack of real history knowledge.
And when they have to resort to that kind of crap, then I know I have won the argument.
Denial is futile.
No, as an historian, he is knowledgeable in a subject that not many are.
Okay "Tea Party", where is the "Support Our Troops" bumper sticker crowd? Not standing up for veterans when it counts.
Do you think people should get all riled up every time a soldier is transferred?
Should we all demand that no veteran should ever be transferred?
WHAT exactly should Tea Party people do to satisfy you?
Timing is everything and tRump did this as retribution. Why did he remove his Brother? Do not even try to make a cogent argument just listen to tRump when he made is clear this week it is payback time.
WTF does that have to do with my post, or even the one I responded to????
WTF is all you have to say. I answered your post with the point the "transfer " was done for retribution. Try to keep up.
LOL. Wow.
That statement is patently false, as evidenced by your very own next sentence. Which is:
Which has absolutely nothing at all to do with my post or the one I responded to.
I'm keeping up just fine--which is how I am able to recognize such bullshit when it is flung at me.
Have you ever heard the expression "He serves at the pleasure of the President"?
Do you know what that means?
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With tRump no one serves with Pleasure only fear.
One thing is recognizable - it's the face of defeat!
What you doubt or don't doubt isn't any of my concern.
Yet another unsupported, dubious claim devoid of facts.
WTF is a tRump anyways?
Is that your rather childish way of slamming your President?
He's a child, so he should expect childish names, no?
ANYTHING that you can accuse Trump opponents of being, such as childish, already exists by him, and many many many times moreso.
Its comical to watch trump supporters think they are actually defending something that cannot be defended.
Not nearly as funny as watching grown-ass adults resorting to 3rd grade name-calling.
You mean like this
Wacky and Deranged Omarosa [64]
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I don't support name-calling from anyone.
It is just that I don't think it is an impeachable offense.
And neither is reassigning people.
Who impeached Trump because he gives people childish nicknames?
I don't know of anyone who did. No one said they did, did they?
Do you not see ANY hypocrisy in someone criticizing the President for name-calling WHILE doing the same to him?
Probably not.
sigh.
SMH
Trump criticizes people for doing the same things he does himself, only more.
No peep from you about that.
Yet you insisted that he was 'transferred'. Trump didn't ask for his resignation. The Vindmans weren't transferred, they were fired from their post son the NSC. PERIOD, full stop.
I know it means to Trump that he can take revenge at will and even further, to punish a patriot for the perceived slight by his brother.
It's an Abuela with a dick. You know what an Abuela is right Tex?
Come November it will be the GOP and tRump who face defeat. I doubt they meet it with honor or grace.
Only in the fear-induced dreams from tRumps swamp.
But violating Federal law in withholding approved funds to Ukraine is. tRump did that solely for personal reasons. He is a stain on our National Honor and a threat to our National Security.
Yes, he does. That isn't what I was talking about if you bother to read what I have posted.
Is that some kind of fucking requirement with you? Sorry I don't feel the need to climb up on a soapbox every single fucking day to berate the President of the US. There are plenty of folks who do nothing else. One in particular comes immediately to mind.
Then it wouldn't BE an abuela. It would be an abuelo.
Of course. It is a grandmother. I try to make sure I know what words mean before using them. Hence the reason why I wouldn't make the mistake of thinking an abuela has a dick.
Now we BOTH fucking know what an abuela is, and what an abuelo is.
You're welcome.
In your case, it means that you are ok with Trump taking his cues from the Vladimir Putin/Kim Jong Un playbook.
Yet hilariously you have used it as a pejorative against Hillary Clinton ad nauseam. It indicates that, unlike most, you have little respect for grandmothers.
More fucking wah-wah-wah.
You do not know me and CLEARLY have no idea what is okay with me. Why pretend you do??
If you are feeling ill, feel free to ignore my posts. It won't matter at all to me.
I used "Abuela" when referring to Hillary because that is how she wanted people to think of her. Her own fucking ads said so.
So excuse the FUCK out of me if I refer to her as she wishes.
If Abuela is a perjorative to you, too bad.
Doesn't have one damn thing to do with respect for grandmothers. That's just stupid.
It was her idea.
Clinton campaign: '7 ways Hillary Clinton is just like your abuela'
I'm embarrassed for you.
Oh so you meant it as an endearment, my bad. /s
Sure Tacos!, it was Hillary Clinton's idea that Tex should call her Abuela as a pejorative. Ya, that's the ticket...
Pfffft.
Did he? Are you sure? I don't see where he did that, so maybe you could cite the comment you are referring to and explain why you think it must be a pejorative.
I must admit that I was hoping for a snappier reply.
Someone's triggered, hahahahahaha
Yes.
Yes.
He admitted to calling Hillary Clinton Abuela. Did you miss that? Not even he denies that it was pejorative. Carry on.
Well, shucks.
Well, there ya go--AGAIN. Reading exactly what I didn't write. I didn't say that it was an endearment OR a perjorative.
Reading exactly what I write and then RESPONDING accordingly is how this is supposed to work. Go play with someone else if the best you can do is IMAGINE something I wrote.
Oh, sorry. I always try to remember who is going to read my posts and make sure they can actually understand what I write. That is why I keep it simple.
No, I did not deny it was pejorative.
And I didn't deny it was a term of endearment.
I also didn't deny that I am a 14 year old mixed race child living in California.
My failure to deny doesn't make YOUR statement a bit true.
That seem right up your alley.
Have fun!
Abuela Hillary doesn't know me from Adam. She also didn't know the very vast majority of the people she pandered to and wanted them to think of her that way.
But she and her campaign persisted.
LOL!
I dunnoooo. Sounds like something you made up or twisted again. Can’t cite it. Can’t prove your claim. And I doubt you can demonstrate why anyone should care anyway. You’re certainly not one to judge.
I guess someone never tires of arguing stuff no one ever says.
A little weak, I believe, to employ such tactics.
Are you suprised?
It's pretty obvious every time you use it.
Your love for Hillary Clinton is evident. /s
But Tacos! insists that 'It was her idea.'
Gee, if Spanish was my first language, would you be complaining?
I have no use at all for Hillary Clinton.
So what?
Jeezus.
He was right. He posted the info about her campaign and how it had that ad up--The Seven Ways Hillary Clinton is Like your Abuela".
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No, but it’s like watching a video of someone opening up a shook up bottle of beer. You know what’s going to happen. You know it’s going to be embarrassing and painful to watch. But you can’t take your eyes off of it.
Pointing out ones similarity to your grandmother does NOT mean that one is ASKING to be called a grandmother in a derogatory way, does it Tex?
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No one here has claimed such total nonsense, so why are you bringing it up?
YOUR perception is yours alone.
Actually, Tacos! did just that.
As is yours. See how that shit works?
I did? I don't think so. I claimed that Hillary Clinton wanted to be called "abuela" in a derogatory way? I made no such claim. I pointed out that the idea that people should think of her as an abuela was her idea and that's true. Please don't come in here and lie about things I said and didn't say just to feed your need to win absurd arguments. You're the only one around here insisting that "abuela" is a pejorative.
Actually, your comment is a lie.
Covered and accurately predicted in 8.1.43.
Wow! WHAT A SURPRISE!
YOUR perception is yours alone.
I made sure that my transfer to Ft. Polk did not go through. SF was much better.
Yes you did:
The right-wing hacks supporting this President believe that LTC Vindman deserved what he got for being subpoenaed and honoring the subpoena and testifying under oath to the truth. His comments were corroborated. His Brother was never involved.
No, what tRump is doing is playing payback for the crimes against our National Security and now wants to make examples of those testifying.
All the while he failed to testify under oath and stopped others from doing so. The true patriots are the Vindman Borhers those condemning them Sunshine Patriots at best.
Was Trump subpoena'd by Congress?
His documents were. Otherwise, Trump is a liar who would never be allowed to testify under oath. Never. And he tried to stop every witness.
By the way, top military brass like Trump's ex Navy Secretary are endorsing Bloomberg. I don't think military and veterans who still have functioning brains are going to support those who crap them.
You mean Richard V Spencer who went around the chain of command to arrange a deal in the Gallagher trial? The last few Navy Secretaries have been a huge disappointment. How about we find someone one who has no political agenda?
That is a whole seed in itself, Trump pardoned a WAR CRIMINAL and it has a real impact on the military and the future. How about we find a president that doesn't make it more dangerous for our soldiers? The draft dodging, non serving cowards are harming the military. [Deleted] Disrespecting the military gets noticed.
He could of voluntarily offer to testify. Why did he DENY all others to testify from his cabinet? What was he afraid of?
Such a scientific analysis. I am sure we can find 20 who did not including relatives who served and earned Bronze Stars in Vietnam. This is not the issue. The issue is tRump putting our Military in harm's way and then slamming them when they disagree. He issued today that anyone not agreeing with him he would harm. Not fit to be President.
That sure would not be Barr.
Yet Trump just nominated corporate lobbyist so that'll make it all better.
Wow, that would be a very good answer IF I had asked "Were Trump's documents subpoena'd?"
it wasn't, though.
Do you realize exactly how crazy that sounds?
LOL!
And give credence to that farce?
LOL!
And if Congress were truly interested in forcing people to testify, they certainly should have sought redress in court.
The only farce is tRump as President. He was given rights to testify at the judiciary hearings and declined then claim that he was not given Due Process. Very soon Due Process will find Mr. tRump and provide him his chance to defend himself.
And I am sure every day you wake up, you are still pissed that he is your President.
Oh? Are Democrats going to exhibit exactly how crazy they are by impeaching him--again?
Seems like it didn't work out too well for them the first time they tried.
Thank them for their service from me.
So didn't Trump's ad nauseam [again, has nothing to do with being ill] tweeting about it give it credence?
Of course not.
Don't be ridiculous.
Why not? Trump is testifying with his every tweet.
Wow.
When you are wrong, you are really, really, really wrong.
testify:
to make a statement based on personal knowledge or belief
So based on you comment, Trump's tweets aren't based on personal knowledge or belief.
Well done.
That is one definition. Here is another one, more widely used ans MUCH more apropos to what was under discussion:
testify
give evidence as a witness in a law court.
here is another one:
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/testify
Testify definition is - to make a solemn declaration under oath for the purpose of establishing a fact (as in a court)
Now, you have fun with your little word games. When your recess is over, come back and play.
I can not help whatever it is you think of what I wrote, nor can I understand it for you. You are on your own there. I haven't the time nor patience to do this crap with you.
Actually Tex, you and I were talking about tweets, NOT court statements.
It's NOT a word game when words have multiple meanings. Having a more expanded lexicon helps when expressing oneself exclusively in that medium.
Yeah, one just has to read the entire thread to understand where you went off the rails.
And the little games you like to play.
have fun!
At long last we have our answer. It is, "No". The damn gop has no shame and no honor, no decency at all...
At long last we have our answer. It is “No” The darn democrat party has no shame and no honor, no decency at all...
I see the historical context was lost on you...
McCarthy had no decency about ruining lives.
Haha, projecting just like Trump does. Anytime Trump or his party does something despicable, they try to pretend it's the Dems doing it. Typical toddler behavior.
Trump is Emperor of the "dispicables" and we shouldn't be surprised when he does the vindictive shit what we expect him to do. The Vindman brothers and Sondland will be just fine all things considered. Dems need to stop pissing in the wind with their hair on fire and concentrate on organizing around candidates to push through a Presidency and united Congress for 2021.
I guess we don't need to wonder who El Chapo would vote for.
el chapo needs sciff as his prosecutor... LOL
I'll assume you meant Schiff. That being said, there were witnesses in the House, none in the Senate. Also, pretty sure it was trumps team of retards were the ones that insisted on NO witnesses and NO documents. Yes? I remember a vote taking place in the Senate about witnesses and documents, and which party was it again that voted AGAINST them? HINT: It wasn't Democrats.
And lets be honest, all innocent people tell witnesses to not testify...
Because...
Naw, i'm sure he is totally innocent...all the witnesses and documents prove it...
Oh, never mind.
Nothin' but net!!!!!!
Schwiss
cheese
and not a single one was a fact witness. speculation. feelings. and un-named sources. do not work in this country.
if a disgruntled neighbor of yours told the cops they had no direct knowledge but they had a "feeling you were breaking a law. you would tell them all to go pound sand as well
there is no need to defend oneself from fabricated BS in this country
You can say that all you want. When you consider that it wasn't the case, it makes the comment quite silly.
try again, the dems had no actual evidence and therefore no case.
"the resistance" failed. and they will continue to fail.
Let me guess...5? Maybe 6 times?
every time/
it is bigger than that...
Bigger than Vindman: Trump scrubs 70 Obama holdovers from NSC
"the resistance" is having a bad year
While the Russians, Chinese et al cheer.
We are all SO much more safe now aren't we? /s
Take care everyone. Buh Bye..
When did "Transferred" or "Recalled" now become "Fired" ?
Since it had a better ring to it to the permanently offended TDS crowd.
The "Media" is sooooo un-biased these days.
For those who want to show support for Lt. Col. Vindman, here's how:
https://forward.com/fast-forward/439731/alexander-vindman-s-synagogue-is-accepting-letters-of-support-following/?utm_content=bufferb33ce&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer&fbclid=IwAR3P_L7vwA5o5BHxlSe6pMvmCCq-Ab_oh1RNoBcDM4VO4YE9a6sb1xbqLWg