Evangelicals Love Donald Trump for Many Reasons, But One of Them Is Especially Terrifying

  
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Evangelicals Love Donald Trump for Many Reasons, But One of Them Is Especially Terrifying
there is an eager constituency for Trump’s improvised policy toward the Middle East and Iran in particular: the evangelical Christians who see it as a means of ushering in the return of Christ.

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The enemies of Israel   have unleashed a massive air attack on the Promised Land. Hundreds of fighter jets streak across the sky. But before Israel can be destroyed, fire rains from the heavens and the enemy jets explode in mid-air with no explanation. Hailstones the size of golf balls follow the fire. The ground shakes. Birds pick clean the bodies of the fallen attackers. The enemy is vanquished without a single Israeli casualty, and the country is saved.

These are some of the opening scenes of the bestselling 1995 book   Left Behind: A Novel of the Earth’s Last Days , by Jerry B. Jenkins and the late evangelical minister Tim LaHaye. But don’t mistake this scenario for a mere action sequence: It’s based on the war of Gog and Magog, a biblical conflict prophesied in the Book of Ezekiel. In the Bible, Gog is the leader of Magog, a “place in the far north” that many evangelicals believe is Russia. According to Ezekiel’s prophecy, Gog will join with Persia—now Iran—and other Arab nations to attack a peaceful Israel “like a cloud that covers the land.” LaHaye, like many evangelicals, believed this battle would bring on the Rapture, the End Times event when God spirits away the good Christians to heaven before unleashing plagues, sickness, and other horrors on the unbelievers remaining on Earth. Meanwhile, the Antichrist reigns supreme.

The story of Gog and Magog is central to the bloody eschatology long embraced by millions of American evangelicals. In recent years, End Times has gained special political currency as believers have seen any number of Middle East conflagrations as fulfilling Ezekiel’s prophecy, notably the US invasion of Iraq and the war in Syria. Gog and Magog took on fresh relevance earlier this month, when the Trump administration assassinated Maj. Gen. Qasem Soleimani, the commander of Iran’s elite Quds Force.

On many levels, President Donald Trump’s self-created crisis in Iran seems to have no relationship to any sort of coherent foreign policy or geopolitical plan for the future. The assassination has yielded few if any tangible rewards for the US. But there is an eager constituency for Trump’s improvised policy toward the Middle East and Iran in particular: the evangelical Christians who see it as a means of ushering in the return of Christ. Lured by the promise of conservative Supreme Court justices, anti-abortion measures, and a commitment to Christian supremacy under the guise of religious freedom, white evangelicals voted for Trump in higher numbers than any other group—more than 80 percent.

He desperately needs them if he’s going to be reelected. And while some have expressed concern about the administration’s inching toward war with Iran, many of those with what were once fringe beliefs have cheered the killing of Soleimani. “Iran has this big part to play in biblical history,” says religious historian Diana Butler Bass, who grew up in the evangelical church, attended an evangelical college and seminary, and wrote her Ph.D. thesis at Duke University on American fundamentalism. “There are these particular prophecies from Ezekiel, where there is talk of a war that will happen at a very important moment in Israel’s history. And that war is going to kick off the End Times. People in this prophetic community believe Iran is going to be one of these aggressors.” 

Bass thinks this worldview may be central to understanding Trump’s foreign policy. “When Iran gets into the news, especially with anything to do with war, it’s sort of a prophetic dog whistle to evangelicals. They will support anything that seems to edge the world towards this conflagration,” she says. “They don’t necessarily want violence, but they’re eager for Christ to return and they think that this war with Iran and Israel has to happen for their larger hope to pass.”

Not all or even most evangelicals believe in the literal truth of these sorts of prophecies, though nearly 60 percent of white evangelicals, according to   one 2010 poll , believe Jesus is definitely or probably going to return by the year 2050. But those who do subscribe to this apocalyptic world view seem to be overrepresented among Trump’s religious supporters and advisers. In October, a host of influential evangelical pastors   came to the White House   to pray with Trump to protect him from impeachment. Among those who laid hands on the president as he stood, head bowed, in the Oval Office, was repeat visitor Greg Laurie, pastor of a California megachurch. A few days after the killing of Soleimani, Laurie made a   YouTube video   with Don Stewart, author of   25 Signs We Are Near the End , to discuss Iran and the End Times. “The scenario that the Bible predicted, seemingly so impossible,” Stewart promised, “is now falling into place.”


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Larry Hampton
1  seeder  Larry Hampton    2 months ago

From the outset,   Trump has surrounded himself with people who hail from the fringes of the evangelical community that is steeped in the language of biblical prophecy, and his administration regularly reflects that language back to them in its messaging. In March 2017, for instance, Trump issued an official White House statement recognizing the Persian New Year in which he   misattributed a quote to Cyrus the Great , the libertine pagan leader of the ancient Persian empire who was anointed by God to free Jews in Babylon. Ordinary Americans probably wouldn’t have even noticed the announcement, but evangelicals knew that Trump was speaking their language. Many of them believe Trump is like Cyrus, a flawed nonbeliever who nonetheless is chosen by God to work his miracles on Earth.

Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, who was reportedly instrumental in pushing for the killing of Soleimani, is also a master of such messaging. In March, during an   interview in Jerusalem   with the Christian Broadcasting Network (founded by another apocalyptic preacher, Pat Robertson), Pompeo showed his familiarity with another Iran-centric Bible story popular with End Times evangelicals. In the story, a Persian king is urged to slaughter the Jews in his kingdom at the urging of the evil adviser Haman. But his Jewish Queen Esther convinces him not to and saves her people. Asked whether he thought Trump could be a modern-day Esther, saving the Jews from Iran, Pompeo replied, “As a Christian, I certainly believe that’s possible.” The secretary of state’s End Times beliefs made headlines again after the Soleimani killing, as meme-makers circulated a quote from a speech he made   in a Kansas church   in 2015. A few days after the Supreme Court legalized same-sex marriage, Pompeo said: “We will continue to fight these battles. It is a never-ending struggle. … until the Rapture.”

 
 
 
JohnRussell
1.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Larry Hampton @1    2 months ago

When the US embassy was moved to Jerusalem in 2018, two evangelical pastors were brought to Israel to speak at the ceremony opening the new embassy building.  

Why were evangelical religious figures brought to speak at the opening of a US diplomatic facility?

there’s Robert Jeffress. His appearance in Jerusalem today is only the latest in his long history of wielding dispensationalist and Christian Zionist rhetoric to advocate for GOP candidates.

In 2014, Jeffress wrote a book arguing that Obama was paving the way for the coming of the Antichrist, if not the Antichrist himself. He’s cast Trump as a kind of modern-day King Cyrus : chosen by God as an unlikely leader. He’s frequently made statements that cast the future of Israel as the function of biblical prophecy. As longtime “court evangelical” watcher John Fea points out , on a recent Fox & Friends segment , Jeffress made a point of quoting the popular dispensationalist Bible verses Genesis 12:1-3, in which God promises to bless those who bless Israel, and curse those who curse Israel.

It would be difficult to come up with a more symbolically potent figure to open the new embassy in Jerusalem than Jeffress. And while, as Moore insists, there may have been other factors than the eschatological at play in Trump’s decision to move the embassy, the foregrounding of Jeffress today is a powerful nod to the efforts of Christian Zionists worldwide.

For many evangelicals, only a fully Jewish Jerusalem will satisfy the prophetic preconditions necessary for the desired end times. Some evangelicals, therefore, adopt what is known as  Christian Zionism : a belief that war in the Middle East is, fundamentally, part of God’s plan (because it brings about the apocalypse) and that God wants  Israel returned to the Jews  during the period of the millennial kingdom.

https://www.vox.com/2018/5/14/17352676/robert-jeffress-jerusalem-embassy-israel-prayer

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Hagee  is also the founder and chairman of the  Christian-Zionist  organization  Christians  United for Israel. Hagee is active politically and is known for his activism on behalf of the State of Israel. He has also attracted controversy over his comments on Catholicism, Jews and Islam, and promotion of the blood moon prophecy .

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Mar 27, 2015  · Apocalyptic Christian Zionist John Hagee censured the publication for spreading a lie and defensively clarified that he does indeed believe that the Jewish people are going to burn in Hell for all of eternity unless they abandon Judaism and convert to Christianity .

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Robert Jeffress and John Hagee were brought by Trump to Jerusalem to speak at the re-opening of the US embassy there. 

Both of these crackpots believe in the apocalyptic theory of the future of  Israel. 

That Trump goes along with this is just more insanity from him and his presidency and his followers. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
1.1.1  JohnRussell  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1    2 months ago
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2018/05/14/half-of-evangelicals-support-israel-because-they-believe-it-is-important-for-fulfilling-end-times-prophecy/

But it’s also worth picking out another part of what Jeffress said to CNN. Jerusalem, he said, is “the touchstone of prophecy.” That prophecy is the biblical prophecy of the return of Jesus Christ and the beginning of the Rapture — the end times.

“What kick-starts the end times into motion is Israel’s political boundaries being reestablished to what God promised the Israelites according to the Bible,” Pastor Nate Pyle   told Newsweek   in January.

This is not an uncommon view.

The LifeWays poll found that 80 percent of evangelicals believed that the creation of Israel in 1948 was a fulfillment of biblical prophecy that would bring about Christ’s return.

That meshes with a poll conducted by the Pew Research Center in 2003. Pew   asked   respondents whether the existence of Israel fulfilled biblical prophecy. About a third of Americans said it did — while more than 6 in 10 evangelicals agreed. (So did more than half of black respondents.)

The LifeWays poll also asked evangelical respondents what factors contribute to their support for the state of Israel. More than 6 in 10 cited God’s pledge to Abraham. The third-most-cited reason was that the existence of Israel was necessary for fulfilling prophecy. More than half of evangelicals said that was a reason they supported Israel’s existence.
 
 
 
JohnRussell
1.2  JohnRussell  replied to  Larry Hampton @1    2 months ago

Larry, there is no defense for the "belief" that we should support Israel because it fulfills Bible prophecy, and to say this belief is dangerous is a vast understatement. 

 
 
 
Larry Hampton
2  seeder  Larry Hampton    2 months ago
 
 
 
WallyW
3  WallyW    2 months ago

Another paranoid conspiracy theory. jrSmiley_78_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Larry Hampton
3.1  seeder  Larry Hampton  replied to  WallyW @3    2 months ago

Point to anything untrue or uncorroborated in the article, or make a debate point, [deleted]

 
 
 
Dean Moriarty
3.1.1  Dean Moriarty  replied to  Larry Hampton @3.1    2 months ago

Good luck finding an actual Evangelical that will agree with this wacko left wing opinion piece. 

 
 
 
Larry Hampton
3.1.2  seeder  Larry Hampton  replied to  Dean Moriarty @3.1.1    2 months ago

The fact you don’t realize that there are Evangelicals that don’t hold up rump, only exemplifies the little bubble you live in. 

 
 
 
Cathar
3.1.3  Cathar  replied to  Dean Moriarty @3.1.1    2 months ago

Good luck seeing the light of day.

 
 
 
sixpick
3.1.4  sixpick  replied to  Dean Moriarty @3.1.1    2 months ago
Good luck finding an actual Evangelical that will agree with this wacko left wing opinion piece. 

Thanks Dean.  I was actually thinking about trying to reply or put a comment up on this article and comments.  Saved me a lot of time.

 
 
 
Donald J. Trump Fan #1
3.2  Donald J. Trump Fan #1  replied to  WallyW @3    2 months ago

He really hates us for electing Trump.  

 
 
 
Larry Hampton
3.2.1  seeder  Larry Hampton  replied to  Donald J. Trump Fan #1 @3.2    2 months ago

I do not hate anybody. 
I do hate that Jesus is being dragged through the mud by politicians and their religious cohorts. 
The “Very Elect”, or “Holier-than-thou” crowd have been deceived. Just as in Jesus’ day, religious leaders have succumbed to temptation, electing to allow human leadership to supersede the divine. 

“Well, then,” Jesus said, “give to Caesar what belongs to Caesar, and give to God what belongs to God.” His reply completely amazed them.

MARK 12:17

 
 
 
Cathar
3.2.2  Cathar  replied to  Donald J. Trump Fan #1 @3.2    2 months ago

Christ does not hate you for electing tRump . No his teachings preach love and forgiveness. The problem is tRump believes in none of Christ's teachings meaning he and those that follow him are not Christians. Nothing wrong with that since we live in a Nation of Freedom of and from Religion.

We all just wish you would admit you do not follow Christ and quit co-opting him for personal gain.

 
 
 
Dulay
3.2.3  Dulay  replied to  Donald J. Trump Fan #1 @3.2    2 months ago

More stole valor from the guy that did NOT vote for Trump. 

 
 
 
Donald J. Trump Fan #1
3.2.4  Donald J. Trump Fan #1  replied to  Dulay @3.2.3    2 months ago

Show me the rule that says  one can’t change their mind and support someone we/I didn’t support before.  I breathed a huge sigh of relief when he pulled off the upset on election night and that that wicked witch Hillary would not be my president.  I was still on the fence until it was clear that he was planning on keeping his promises instead of triangulation and because of all the riots.  Johns relentless Trump bashing played a part too as I had no intention of being associated with those who were never Trump on the left.  I most certainly barring something totally unforeseen now will vote for Trump in 2020 and do so with pride. 

 
 
 
Dulay
3.2.5  Dulay  replied to  Donald J. Trump Fan #1 @3.2.4    2 months ago
Show me the rule that says  one can’t change their mind and support someone we/I didn’t support before.  

There is no such rule but that is irrelevant. You posed this:

He really hates us for electing Trump.

You have made a habit of late to claim to have elected Trump even though you've stated multiple times that you did NOT vote for him. You jumped on the band wagon and became a hanger on WAY after it MEANT something. 

 
 
 
Drakkonis
3.3  Drakkonis  replied to  WallyW @3    2 months ago
Another paranoid conspiracy theory.

It is less a paranoid conspiracy theory than it is an overblown one or simply misunderstood, in my opinion. To the best of my knowledge, there aren't many within Christendom who adhere to the idea, largely due, I think, to most Christians being able to read the Bible for themselves and seeing no support for Dominionism in it. There's no mandate for creating a theocracy. It's pretty clear that it says the world is going to get worse, not better and nothing is going to stop it until Christ returns. That's the part about those few who hold to Dominionism that confuses me. The idea that they can make God act on their schedule if they just do this or make that happen. 

On the back side of that coin, though, is the humanist response to anything Christian. Take an issue like abortion, for instance. That tends to translate as some sort of dominionistic effort by Christians when all it really represents is Christians voting their conscience, not Dominionism. 

I think most Christians see Dominionism as something not Christian. We were pretty much given one task. Tell others about the saving grace of Jesus Christ. There's nothing about that which can be translated into a mandate to govern. Not in this world, anyway. 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
3.3.1  Trout Giggles  replied to  Drakkonis @3.3    2 months ago
The idea that they can make God act on their schedule if they just do this or make that happen. 

thank-you

 
 
 
lady in black
4  lady in black    2 months ago
A few days after the Supreme Court legalized same-sex marriage, Pompeo said: “We will continue to fight these battles. It is a never-ending struggle. … until the Rapture.”

He can rapture himself all he wants, one thing he will NOT do is make this country into a theocracy or push his religion onto to others...AIN'T GOING TO HAPPEN.

 
 
 
Tacos!
5  Tacos!    2 months ago
The story of Gog and Magog is central to the bloody eschatology long embraced by millions of American evangelicals.

It is? Really? Central?? I'll bet if you asked 10 evangelicals to explain Gog and Magog, 9 of them couldn't do it.

Where is the evidence that this allegedly central foundation or focus on this story is connected to how or why people vote?

Lured by the promise of conservative Supreme Court justices, anti-abortion measures

Yeah, I think those normal, everyday issues have a lot more to do with how people vote than things like Gog and Magog.

He desperately needs them if he’s going to be reelected.

Desperately? Who else would they be voting for?

 
 
 
WallyW
5.1  WallyW  replied to  Tacos! @5    2 months ago

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Donald J. Trump Fan #1
5.1.1  Donald J. Trump Fan #1  replied to  WallyW @5.1    2 months ago

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katrix
5.2  katrix  replied to  Tacos! @5    2 months ago
I'll bet if you asked 10 evangelicals to explain Gog and Magog, 9 of them couldn't do it

I remember a Stephen King short story ... Jerusalem's Lot (not to be confused with his book 'Salem's Lot) where I first heard those names. Even though I don't believe in demons, that was one hell of a story!

 
 
 
katrix
5.3  katrix  replied to  Tacos! @5    2 months ago
Who else would they be voting for?

Someone with actual morals maybe?

 
 
 
Tacos!
5.3.1  Tacos!  replied to  katrix @5.3    2 months ago
Someone with actual morals maybe?

They have tried that. More than once. In 2012 Democrats and the media were still selling the idea that Mitt Romney was the Devil. I'm not Mormon, and I don't agree with everything he says, but I have to acknowledge that he is the most moral candidate for president I have ever seen. Did the Left appreciate this? No.

In fact, he was roundly mocked for his morals. But he's not alone. Both Bushes were mocked for their socially conservative family values approach. Ronald Reagan was mocked for his traditional and supposedly backwards-looking social conservatism.

Voting for the moral guy has been tried. Over and over. People who vote that way - along with the candidate, himself - are routinely and reliably abused for it. Just this once, this group said "fuck it" and went for the foul-mouthed guy because they thought he might have a different approach than traditional politicians and actually get some stuff done.

And what has been the result? Democrats and the media cannot stop talking about how sad it is that evangelicals and other conservatives would vote for such an immoral person. I mean, there is no pleasing some people. Everything you try is wrong.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
5.3.2  JohnRussell  replied to  Tacos! @5.3.1    2 months ago
Voting for the moral guy has been tried. Over and over. People who vote that way - along with the candidate, himself - are routinely and reliably abused for it. Just this once, this group said "fuck it" and went for the foul-mouthed guy because they thought he might have a different approach than traditional politicians and actually get some stuff done. And what has been the result? Democrats and the media cannot stop talking about how sad it is that evangelicals and other conservatives would vote for such an immoral person. I mean, there is no pleasing some people. Everything you try is wrong.

These comments are literally nonsensical. 

 
 
 
Tacos!
5.3.3  Tacos!  replied to  JohnRussell @5.3.2    2 months ago

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JohnRussell
5.3.4  JohnRussell  replied to  Tacos! @5.3.3    2 months ago

lol. You wont be happy til all of NT is the kids table. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
5.3.5  JohnRussell  replied to  Tacos! @5.3.3    2 months ago
The LifeWays poll also asked evangelical respondents what factors contribute to their support for the state of Israel. More than 6 in 10 cited God’s pledge to Abraham. The third-most-cited reason was that the existence of Israel was necessary for fulfilling prophecy. More than half of evangelicals said that was a reason they supported Israel’s existence.

There is no doubt, none, that the anticipated fulfillment of biblical prophecy is one of the main reasons evangelicals support Trump's policies towards Israel. 

 
 
 
Tacos!
5.3.6  Tacos!  replied to  JohnRussell @5.3.4    2 months ago

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Tacos!
5.3.7  Tacos!  replied to  Tacos! @5.3.6    2 months ago

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Donald J. Trump Fan #1
5.3.8  Donald J. Trump Fan #1  replied to  katrix @5.3    2 months ago

That would most certainly not have been Hillary then...

 
 
 
Tessylo
5.3.9  Tessylo  replied to  JohnRussell @5.3.2    2 months ago

That is true of the majority of his comments,.  

 
 
 
sixpick
5.4  sixpick  replied to  Tacos! @5    2 months ago

I agree.  After reading the article, comments and links, I have to just say "Strike One".

 
 
 
Donald J. Trump Fan #1
5.4.1  Donald J. Trump Fan #1  replied to  sixpick @5.4    2 months ago

Agreed.  

 
 
 
Sparty On
6  Sparty On    2 months ago

The sad part is the people who believe this articles premise really believe most Christians think this way.    

And doing so they become the real fundamentalists.

 
 
 
Larry Hampton
6.1  seeder  Larry Hampton  replied to  Sparty On @6    2 months ago

If people believe that then they didn’t read the article. The article does NOT say most Christians believe this. 
Is that what you got from the article? Try reading it again; [deleted]

 
 
 
Sparty On
6.1.1  Sparty On  replied to  Larry Hampton @6.1    2 months ago

You keep believing that and life goes on whether you like it or not.

 
 
 
Donald J. Trump Fan #1
6.1.2  Donald J. Trump Fan #1  replied to  Sparty On @6.1.1    2 months ago

And Trump will be re elected whether the left and their Lincoln project allies likes it or not. 

 
 
 
sixpick
6.2  sixpick  replied to  Sparty On @6    2 months ago
The sad part is the people who believe this articles premise really believe most Christians think this way.     And doing so they become the real fundamentalists.

Actually, I don't think so, if I read this right.  I think they come to have a false belief of who most all Christians are.  Believe me, most people who say they are Christians don't walk around reading a Bible all day long, nor do they live their lives strictly by the Bible.  They sin and pray for forgiveness.  They try to live a good life and treat everyone fairly.  They put their faith in God that everything is going to be alright.  And even if it doesn't turn out the way they wanted it to, they have faith that when their lives have ended in this world they will spend eternity with their Father.  This is the way I see most people I really consider to be Christians.

The objective of the article is to say Trump got a couple of sidewalk preachers and millions of evangelical Christians want to get on with the ending of the world.  And Trump is desperate for their support.  It's rather ridiculous. [deleted]

 
 
 
bbl-1
7  bbl-1    2 months ago

The fulcrum of all religions==fear, obedience and hopelessness.

 
 
 
Texan1211
7.1  Texan1211  replied to  bbl-1 @7    2 months ago

That is ridiculous.

 
 
 
bbl-1
7.1.1  bbl-1  replied to  Texan1211 @7.1    2 months ago

Why?

 
 
 
sixpick
7.2  sixpick  replied to  bbl-1 @7    2 months ago
The fulcrum of all religions==fear, obedience and hopelessness.

I think you got it all wrong, but it does show how some people have been mislead for so long they think they know something and have no idea.

 
 
 
MrFrost
8  MrFrost    2 months ago

512

Sure, I can see why many Christians support this guy. 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
9  Buzz of the Orient    2 months ago

I would rather trust an Evangelist who believes in the End Times than an Islamist who wants it to happen now and would gladly take part in accomplishing it.  Unfortunately too many people feel differently.

 
 
 
Donald J. Trump Fan #1
9.1  Donald J. Trump Fan #1  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @9    2 months ago

Too many secular progressives are actually in an alliance of convenience in this country against Christians.  

 
 
 
Larry Hampton
9.1.1  seeder  Larry Hampton  replied to  Donald J. Trump Fan #1 @9.1    2 months ago

More martyrdom bullshit. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
9.1.2  TᵢG  replied to  Donald J. Trump Fan #1 @9.1    2 months ago

It may just seem that way.   Make fewer ridiculous claims and you will find fewer challenges to same.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
9.2  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @9    2 months ago

Buzz,

You do realize that in end times, 2/3rds of Jews die and the other 1/3 convert to Christianity, and that is why they want the West Bank all Jewish. It's to fulfill the end-time beliefs. 

So, really, they are not doing you any favor.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
9.2.1  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @9.2    2 months ago

So you believe it's going to actually happen?   Do you believe in Santa Claus as well?  IMO its nothing but a harmless fantasy that will never happen and if it means they support Israel until it does then as far as I'm concerned they're welcome to that belief.  As I've said above I'm a lot more concerned about the Islamists and their supporters and the rise in antisemitism and they're NOT fantasies.  

 
 
 
devangelical
9.2.2  devangelical  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @9.2.1    2 months ago
its nothing but a harmless fantasy

not to them. no worries, you're safe awhile longer in china, but bone up on some scripture and hide the yarmulkes. they probably won't come looking until all the muslims are gone.  

 
 
 
Dulay
9.2.3  Dulay  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @9.2.1    2 months ago

Since in this scenario, their only reason for supporting Israel is to see the destruction of the Jews, don't you think that is the ultimate in anti-Semitism? 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
9.2.4  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Dulay @9.2.3    2 months ago

Yes, I will consider it antisemitism when the End Times arrive (don't wait up tonight for that to happen) but in the meantime they are supportive of the Jews and Israel and its being Jewish. I don't criticize kids for believing in Santa Claus or the Tooth Fairy as well. 

 
 
 
Dulay
9.2.5  Dulay  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @9.2.4    2 months ago

Wow, that's shows some real desperation for support. 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
9.2.6  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Dulay @9.2.5    2 months ago

Desperation?  LOL what a twisted comment.  I'm sure there are many here who are laughing at it, as I am. 

 
 
 
Dulay
9.2.7  Dulay  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @9.2.6    2 months ago

Only speaking for myself Buzz but I wouldn't have much self respect if I relied on support from those that I knew were ultimately praying for my eventual destruction. 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
9.2.8  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Dulay @9.2.7    2 months ago

I watch Science Fiction and Fantasy dystopian movies as well, and they don't scare me.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
9.2.9  JohnRussell  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @9.2.1    2 months ago
So you believe it's going to actually happen?

I guess this person never heard of the concept of self-fulfilling prophecy. 

If enough people in a position to effect events believe it will happen, of course it could happen. 

We have high officials in the Trump administration who believe this bullshit.  Trump himself doesnt though. Maybe he can save us, lol. 

 
 
 
Dulay
9.2.10  Dulay  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @9.2.8    2 months ago

Who said anything about fear Buzz. I was talking about accepting support and self respect. 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
9.2.11  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  JohnRussell @9.2.9    2 months ago

I asked you politely not to ever address me again because I grew tired of your name-calling and insults - looks like I have to have you blocked.  

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
9.2.12  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Dulay @9.2.10    2 months ago

IMPASSE

 
 
 
JohnRussell
9.2.13  JohnRussell  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @9.2.11    2 months ago

Do whatever you want Buzz. I respond to comments that I have something to say about.  That is what I have always done and what I will continue to do. 

 
 
 
Donald J. Trump Fan #1
9.2.14  Donald J. Trump Fan #1  replied to  Dulay @9.2.7    2 months ago

Many Christians believe that modern Israel doesn’t play a big role in Biblical prophecy regarding end times and they support Israel because it is the right thing to do.  

 
 
 
Larry Hampton
9.2.15  seeder  Larry Hampton  replied to  Donald J. Trump Fan #1 @9.2.14    2 months ago

How about you?

What is your belief regarding Israel’s role during the End Times?

 
 
 
devangelical
9.2.16  devangelical  replied to  Larry Hampton @9.2.15    2 months ago

ezpz. convert or die.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
9.2.17  Trout Giggles  replied to  Donald J. Trump Fan #1 @9.2.14    2 months ago

I don't think you are correct in that assumption. There are Christians working to bring about the End Times because they want to be raptured and they want Christ to smite their enemies and throw them in the Lake of Fire.

Read the Left Behind Novels...millions of copies sold. Those books are exactly the scenario I just laid out.

 
 
 
Dulay
9.2.18  Dulay  replied to  Donald J. Trump Fan #1 @9.2.14    2 months ago

Well since Judea is in what is modern Israel you'd have to be a Christian that denies the content of Matthew 24. 

 
 
 
Larry Hampton
9.2.19  seeder  Larry Hampton  replied to  Donald J. Trump Fan #1 @9.2.14    2 months ago

Still no reply. 
I wouldn’t either if I were you. 

 
 
 
sixpick
9.3  sixpick  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @9    2 months ago
I would rather trust an Evangelist who believes in the End Times than an Islamist who wants it to happen now and would gladly take part in accomplishing it. 

Well Buzz, that is basically what the article is saying, except it is replacing Islamist with evangelical Christian.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
9.3.1  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  sixpick @9.3    2 months ago

No it's not. It's warning people about worshipping false idols. 

 
 
 
Donald J. Trump Fan #1
9.3.2  Donald J. Trump Fan #1  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @9.3.1    2 months ago

Like how so many worshipped at the feet of and swooned before Barack Hussein Obama?

 
 
 
devangelical
9.3.3  devangelical  replied to  Donald J. Trump Fan #1 @9.3.2    2 months ago

nothing compares to the mass hysteria exhibited by teavangelicals and teanderthals during the last 3+ years

 
 
 
sixpick
9.3.4  sixpick  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @9.3.1    2 months ago
Buzz,

You do realize that in end times, 2/3rds of Jews die and the other 1/3 convert to Christianity, and that is why they want the West Bank all Jewish. It's to fulfill the end-time beliefs. 

So, really, they are not doing you any favor.

Maybe I haven't read the article enough times, but I have read it enough times to recognize it's just a hit piece, any hit piece will do against Trump and they want to include the Christians in on it as well.  They say the evangelical Christians, but for their readers every Christian is an evangelical Christian and most of their readers believe that.

To me it seems you're saying the evangelical Christians want to get the Jews together to either convert or kill them and that's why the evangelical Christians want to push for the end times just like some of the Islamist want to do in your comment above.  I read all of John's comments and every link, plus some off of those links.  I can't remember all about them at this time, but the idea was to expose what frauds these preachers are.  No one is worshiping the preachers and the only thing I'm doing is supporting the belief that the Jews are God's chosen children.  I could care less at this point about the messengers or participants.  Trump has done what no other president pretending they were going to do the same has never done. 

You can rest assured none of the people over at Mother Jones believes a word of this, but it's good for antagonizing believers and non believers alike, but for different reasons.

 
 
 
katrix
10  katrix    2 months ago

So the DOJ replaced Catholic Charities with Hookers for Jesus, a charity which isn't as highly rated - part of Trump's vindictiveness over anyone who isn't a Trump toadie. You can't make this shit up. The emperor is going crazy with retaliation against honesty, decency, and our Constitution.

 
 
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