Mike Bloomberg Once Said He Could 'Teach Anyone to Be a Farmer' Because Farming Needs Less 'Gray Matter' Than Modern Work

  

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Via:  sparty-on  •  7 months ago  •  313 comments

Mike Bloomberg Once Said He Could 'Teach Anyone to Be a Farmer' Because Farming Needs Less 'Gray Matter' Than Modern Work

Classic case of an out of touch, big city, coastal elitist


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ike Bloomberg drew ire on social media on Sunday night after resurfaced footage of the billionaire saying farming required less "gray matter" than modern work went viral.

The ex-New York City mayor was called "condescending" and an "enormous clown" after his comments at a university event in 2016 re-emerged.

A federal official appointed by President Donald Trump also took a jab at the Democratic primary candidate, saying farming equipment contained "far more tech than a Bloomberg Terminal."

In a clip from his November 2016 talk at the Saïd Business School of the University of Oxford in England, Bloomberg said: "I could teach anybody, even people in this room, to be a farmer. It's a process. You dig a hole, you put a seed in, you put dirt on top, add water, up comes the corn."


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Mike Bloomberg delivers remarks during a campaign rally on February 12, 2020 in Nashville, Tennessee. Brett Carlsen/Getty Images

"Now comes the information economy, and the information economy is fundamentally different, because it's built around replacing people with technology," Bloomberg added. "And the skillsets that you have to learn are how to think and analyze.


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Transyferous Rex
1  Transyferous Rex    7 months ago
"I could teach anybody, even people in this room, to be a farmer. It's a process. You dig a hole, you put a seed in, you put dirt on top, add water, up comes the corn."

"Now comes the information economy, and the information economy is fundamentally different, because it's built around replacing people with technology," Bloomberg added. "And the skillsets that you have to learn are how to think and analyze.

"That is a whole degree level different. You have to have a different skillset, you have to have a lot more grey matter."

I didn't watch the video, but if the quotes in the article came from the video...in the immortal words of The Jerk, "all I can say is wow."

Just know, you are beneath a liberal in every way possible. 

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
1.1  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Transyferous Rex @1    7 months ago

This could ultimately cost him quite a few votes in rural and/or farming communities. I certainly hope it does with a moronic statement like that.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
2  Nerm_L    7 months ago

Seems the focus is being placed on farmers to divert attention from what Michael Bloomberg actually said.  In a backhanded way, Bloomberg is stating that not everyone can be taught to be an information tech worker.  That's the meaning behind Bloomberg's claim that it takes more gray matter to work with automation and information technology.

Bloomberg is saying that if someone doesn't have the smarts then they are SOL.  There won't be a place in the future economy for those who have inadequate gray matter.  Bloomberg is making a class distinction which shouldn't be surprising for someone who believes they represent the elite.  

 
 
 
Sparty On
2.1  seeder  Sparty On  replied to  Nerm_L @2    7 months ago

Lol i see how this works.  

Bloomberg sez something questionable and he automatically gets the benefit of the doubt.   Think Trump will ever get the same consideration?   Doubtful, very doubtful.

I have little doubt Bloomberg looks down his nose at certain people.    Thinks he's better than them.   If nothing else his propensity to try to control other peoples behavior is proof of that imo.   He thinks he knows what's better for them than they do themselves and of course he doesn't.

Republicans don't need to scrutinize Bloomberg at all.   His fellow Democrats are doing a fine job of that already.

 
 
 
CB
2.1.1  CB   replied to  Sparty On @2.1    7 months ago
I have little doubt Bloomberg looks down his nose at certain people.    Thinks he's better than them.   If nothing else his propensity to try to control other peoples behavior is proof of that imo.   He thinks he knows what's better for them than they do themselves and of course he doesn't.

I know a republican and conservative and a member of the party attempting to freely run the table on political outcomes in our society, did not just write this. I am going to automatically give you the benefit of the doubt!

 
 
 
KDMichigan
2.2  KDMichigan  replied to  Nerm_L @2    7 months ago

Obviously neither you or Bloomberg know what it takes to be a farmer. 

 
 
 
Nerm_L
2.2.1  Nerm_L  replied to  KDMichigan @2.2    7 months ago
Obviously neither you or Bloomberg know what it takes to be a farmer. 

Bloomberg said he could train anyone to be a farmer or a machinist.  And he is correct.  Most people could learn to be a farmer or a machinist if that is what they want to do.  That doesn't mean that farming and machining are easy occupations or that those occupation don't require knowing quite a bit.  Farming and machining are teachable skills that provide opportunities to more people.  Bloomberg is dismissing farming because that is an occupation that is easier to learn.

Bloomberg also said that replacing humans with automation requires more gray matter.  Not everyone can be be taught how to do that.  What Bloomberg is saying that people with inadequate gray matter are shit outta luck.  Bloomberg is making a class distinction; there are winners and losers in the gray matter lottery.  And there's no need to waste time and money on losers.

Bloomberg is basically saying that those who lack the gray matter to replace humans with automation are excess population.  Why should we waste public resources on those who don't have the gray matter to learn how to replace humans with automation?  Bloomberg declared that those with inadequate gray matter are disposable and don't deserve attention.

 
 
 
Sparty On
2.2.2  seeder  Sparty On  replied to  Nerm_L @2.2.1    7 months ago
Bloomberg also said that replacing humans with automation requires more gray matter.
Bloomberg is basically saying that those who lack the gray matter to replace humans with automation are excess population.

I just notice this.

This is going to go over great with the Automotive and Trade Unions.

He just lost all their votes.

 
 
 
Transyferous Rex
2.3  Transyferous Rex  replied to  Nerm_L @2    7 months ago
"And the skillsets that you have to learn are how to think and analyze.

Yeah, I might be more on board if he'd simply said that man power is being replaced with technology. He didn't, he said that the 90% of farmers and industrial workers were morons, and now you have to have skills that nobody in those days did, thinking and analyzing. Bloomberg has never hung a split pitch roof, or cut it, or laid it out. According to his thinking, you buy the lumber, cut, nail,  and boom, roof. Not saying it is rocket science, but I know some computer guys, and they are not rocket scientists either.

Tech guy came in the other day. Worked on my machine for 2 hours, trying to connect to the new office printer. When I asked him what was taking so long, he said I needed to update. He had his computer hooked up to mine, communicating with the printer, for two hours, and came to the conclusion that I needed to update, which had been done 2 weeks prior. Idiot tried to update an additional 2 times to see if that would change anything. Nope...its not on my end honcho, its your shitty printer. Sure, man power is being replaced by technology. As the tech guy showed, his critical thinking and analyzing skill sets were, to put it bluntly, shit. If farming is a process of digging a hole, throwing a seed in, covering it with dirt, then boom, corn. Then technology is the new learned process of plugging in your computer, hitting a button to run diagnostics, reading the results, and hitting another button to execute whatever command is recommended. Failing that, go fish. 

 
 
 
Nerm_L
2.3.1  Nerm_L  replied to  Transyferous Rex @2.3    7 months ago
Yeah, I might be more on board if he'd simply said that man power is being replaced with technology. He didn't, he said that the 90% of farmers and industrial workers were morons, and now you have to have skills that nobody in those days did, thinking and analyzing. Bloomberg has never hung a split pitch roof, or cut it, or laid it out. According to his thinking, you buy the lumber, cut, nail,  and boom, roof. Not saying it is rocket science, but I know some computer guys, and they are not rocket scientists either.

NO, NO, NO.  That's not what Bloomberg was talking about.  Bloomberg said that farming and industrial work are PROCESSES and he can train anyone to perform a process.  Programming a self driving tractor is a process and anyone can be trained to program a self driving tractor.  Even a robot can be taught to perform a process; being human isn't important.

Bloomberg is saying that anyone can be taught a process.  Just because it involves a computer doesn't make any difference.  Anyone can be taught to be an F9 monkey; even farmers.

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Bloomberg is making a class distinction between users of automation and creators of automation.  Those capable of replacing humans with automation to perform processes are an elite class.  

Michael Bloomberg has consumed a lot of labor to perform processes that created his wealth.  Bloomberg believes anyone can be taught to perform those processes.  To Bloomberg workers performing those processes aren't any different than machines; disposable, easily replaced, and of little value.

A journalist tosses out some tripe to pull people's chains and they go stand in the corner to pick dingle berries.  But that journalism is a smoke screen to hide Bloomberg's real meaning.  

 
 
 
zuksam
2.3.2  zuksam  replied to  Nerm_L @2.3.1    7 months ago

Farming is a complex business that requires many skillsets and Bloomberg's comments prove he doesn't know a thing about farming. Bloomberg obviously doesn't know that farmers were the originators of replacing humans with automation and the equipment they use, maintain, modify, and repair everyday does the work that would have taken hundreds of humans. It was farmers who invented that stuff not people like Bloomberg. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
2.3.3  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  zuksam @2.3.2    7 months ago

Zuksam,

That was a misrepresentation of what Bloomberg said. To see what he said, go to this comment: 8 and watch from 41:50. That is what he said in whole and it was hardly an insult to farmers.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
2.3.4  Nerm_L  replied to  zuksam @2.3.2    7 months ago
Farming is a complex business that requires many skillsets and Bloomberg's comments prove he doesn't know a thing about farming. Bloomberg obviously doesn't know that farmers were the originators of replacing humans with automation and the equipment they use, maintain, modify, and repair everyday does the work that would have taken hundreds of humans. It was farmers who invented that stuff not people like Bloomberg. 

You wanna talk about farmers (like the journalist wanted)?  Okey dokey, let's go.

A farmer must know and understand horticulture, animal science, veterinary medicine, meteorology, environmental engineering, mechanics, truck driving, heavy equipment operation, contract law, banking, and commodity trading.  And that's just the basics.  There ain't a keyboard jockey on the planet that has to know as much as a farmer.  There won't ever be a robot that will treat a calf with maggots in its navel.

And after all that, everyone is letting Michael Bloomberg off the hook for displaying an elitist attitude that dissed 99 pct of country's population.  Bloomberg's comments are a thousand times worse than a journalist has tricked you into believing.

 
 
 
user image
2.4    replied to  Nerm_L @2    7 months ago

Thing is automation is a big part of farming now. Making the argument for cheap foreign/illegal labor not as valid as it was. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
2.5  Vic Eldred  replied to  Nerm_L @2    7 months ago
There won't be a place in the future economy for those who have inadequate gray matter.  Bloomberg is making a class distinction which shouldn't be surprising for someone who believes they represent the elite.

That is surely part of it, but there is something that Bloomberg touched on which can't be denied. Somewhere between the tech boom of the 90's and now the American economy became heavily tilted towards technology. In the beginning graduates in the field were walking right into exorbitant high paying jobs. Now we have so many graduating in the tech field that they have trouble finding work. 

As far as the class distinction goes, it is one that flatters the blue collar worker. They work harder for less and as we see every day in the news, they are more trustworthy. Beware of those with smooth hands, smooth tongues and the uncanny ability to get away with just about anything. (another college lesson).

 
 
 
Sparty On
2.5.1  seeder  Sparty On  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.5    7 months ago

Blue Collar workers get disrespected regularly by obtuse elitists.   Show me a city like NYC without truckers, garbage collectors, plumbers and electricians and i'll show you anarchy.  

People won't be worried about their lawyer, banker or IT guys if that happens.    Not in the least.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
2.5.2  Nerm_L  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.5    7 months ago
That is surely part of it, but there is something that Bloomberg touched on which can't be denied. Somewhere between the tech boom of the 90's and now the American economy became heavily tilted towards technology. In the beginning graduates in the field were walking right into exorbitant high paying jobs. Now we have so many graduating in the tech field that they have trouble finding work. 
As far as the class distinction goes, it is one that flatters the blue collar worker. They work harder for less and as we see every day in the news, they are more trustworthy. Beware of those with smooth hands, smooth tongues and the uncanny ability to get away with just about anything. (another college lesson).

Blue collar work won't be going away anytime in the foreseeable future.  Coding software is blue collar work; workers are preforming process oriented tasks.  A programmer is doing the same type of work as someone on an assembly line.  

Michael Bloomberg is making a class distinction to justify his wealth.  Bloomberg is claiming that he can train anyone to perform process oriented tasks.  That's not far from the truth, people can be trained to use specialized tools and perform a complex process.  Even a robot can be trained to perform a process.  Bloomberg has made a class distinction that relegates most people to the status of robots.  Robots are disposable, easily replaced, and their value depends on the task they have been trained to perform.   

Farmers learn to not make pets of their livestock.  A kid learns that their blue ribbon steer in the 4H competition is going to be killed and eaten.  All the kid's hopes, dreams, effort, and success are going to be destroyed and savored by the highest bidder.  It's a hard lesson to learn.  Michael Bloomberg is applying that same lesson to people; blue collar workers are the livestock of the elite.  Don't turn blue collar workers into pets.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
3  Sean Treacy    7 months ago

I don't think Bloomberg is smart enough to be a farmer. That's such an ignorant statement.

 
 
 
KDMichigan
4  KDMichigan    7 months ago

I wonder how long it will take for one of our NT elites to explain to us common types what Bloomberg really meant. 

What is it with people that live with cockroaches and rats that makes them think they are better than everyone else?

 
 
 
Sparty On
4.1  seeder  Sparty On  replied to  KDMichigan @4    7 months ago

Already done.   See #2 above.

 
 
 
Tacos!
5  Tacos!    7 months ago

Just the other day, I called this guy a rich snob and some took issue with it. I stand by that assessment.

 
 
 
Sparty On
5.1  seeder  Sparty On  replied to  Tacos! @5    7 months ago

There is a cabal of NYers here that seem to think he is great.   Maybe he is but i ain't seeing it yet.  

Not for me and mine anyways.

 
 
 
evilgenius
5.1.1  evilgenius  replied to  Sparty On @5.1    7 months ago

I'm not voting for him.

 
 
 
Sparty On
5.1.2  seeder  Sparty On  replied to  evilgenius @5.1.1    7 months ago

You a New Yorker?

 
 
 
evilgenius
5.1.3  evilgenius  replied to  Sparty On @5.1.2    7 months ago

Minnesotan living in Wisconsin  

 
 
 
Tacos!
5.1.4  Tacos!  replied to  Sparty On @5.1    7 months ago
There is a cabal of NYers here that seem to think he is great.

And it wasn't even to say the guy is a piece of trash and no one should ever vote for him. I was talking about image and voter perceptions. But Heaven forbid anyone should be the slightest bit critical of the great city or anyone in it - unless we're talking about Trump, of course. Or Giuliani, I guess.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
5.1.5  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Sparty On @5.1.2    7 months ago

Sparty what does that mean? Why should it matter if you are a New Yorker or not?

 
 
 
MAGA
5.1.6  MAGA  replied to  Sparty On @5.1    7 months ago

The urban bi coastal elites the limousine liberals with their ivory tower residences and offices will love him.  They share with him a sheer and utter contempt for fly over Heartland America and all the people and values residing within.  This is just so typical of them.  They can have him.  

 
 
 
Sparty On
5.1.7  seeder  Sparty On  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @5.1.5    7 months ago

It was just a simple question.    New Yorkers have direct experience with the guy and some here seem rather enamored with him.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
5.1.8  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Sparty On @5.1.7    7 months ago

I don't deny I like him (hardly enamored), but I still don't see what that has to do with being a New Yorker. 

 
 
 
Sparty On
5.1.9  seeder  Sparty On  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @5.1.8    7 months ago

People who had him so long as Mayor will likely have a better read on him than say a farmer in Ohio.

Not sure why that premise might be confusing.

 
 
 
squiggy
5.2  squiggy  replied to  Tacos! @5    7 months ago

Yes, it was obvious that you hated all New Yorkers.

 
 
 
MAGA
5.2.1  MAGA  replied to  squiggy @5.2    7 months ago

Not all.  Many upstate and western NYers  outside the NYC to Albany corridor are fine people just as Californians outside of the urban coastal areas are. Yes we have lots of farming in inland Ca.  

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
5.2.2  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  MAGA @5.2.1    7 months ago

Funny, I don't judge people by where they live. I think everyone is fine until proven otherwise. 

 
 
 
charger 383
6  charger 383    7 months ago

Bloomberg said he could train anyone to be a farmer or a machinist.
Is Bloomberg a farmer of machinist?    Can he teach the physical skills and conditioning needed to run a farm along with everything else?   Can he teach what it takes to work outside in the heat and cold?  Fix a collapsed roof in a snowstorm so 7,000 turkeys don't freeze to death? 

 
 
 
KDMichigan
6.1  KDMichigan  replied to  charger 383 @6    7 months ago
Bloomberg said he could train anyone to be a farmer

Analyzing soil, deciding which seeds and crops to plant, what fertilizer to use, what pesticides to use, when to apply fertilizer …..You get the gist. 

I just charged a IT guy 150 bucks for hooking his p-trap back up under his sink, All that gray matter must have pushed out common sense.

 
 
 
squiggy
7  squiggy    7 months ago

"It's a process. You dig a hole, you put a seed in, you put dirt on top, add water, up comes the corn.""

"Now comes the information economy, and the information economy is fundamentally different, because it's built around replacing people with technology," Bloomberg added. "And the skillsets that you have to learn are how to think and analyze."

It seems like he started out harmlessly contrasting following a procedure with reasoning a new course. I don't think anybody will be able to teach him how to keep his feet out of his mouth.

 
 
 
cjcold
7.1  cjcold  replied to  squiggy @7    7 months ago

Installed a ground-sensing automatic head leveling system on my brother's combine last year that lets it cut beans to ground level without harvesting dirt. Farming technology just keeps getting better and better.

 
 
 
cjcold
7.1.1  cjcold  replied to  cjcold @7.1    7 months ago

Successful family farmers tend to have college degrees that are heavy on math, economics, meteorology/climatology, soil science, mechanical engineering, etc....

The classes it takes to learn how to ranch correctly verge on medical degrees. Knowing cows inside and out and how to keep them healthy is paramount.

Grew up farming and ranching and a lot of knowledge was passed down by my elders. Decided many years ago that I didn't want to go pro. 

It's all I can do to plant a small garden and keep a cat alive these days. I'm retired from driving combines and tractors from dawn till dusk and getting stuck to my knees in manure and being kicked by cows!

 
 
 
TᵢG
7.1.2  TᵢG  replied to  cjcold @7.1.1    7 months ago
Successful family farmers tend to have college degrees that are heavy on math, economics, meteorology/climatology, soil science, mechanical engineering, etc....

Indeed.   Farming itself is as complex / sophisticated as any other business.   And Bloomberg knows this.   

He was talking about skill sets of farm workers.   Knowing how to properly care for land, crops, animals, equipment and facilities are skills.   But those skills do not translate well to knowledge worker jobs (and vice-versa).   A person who is a field expert in soil (e.g. deep experience in knowing which crops to plant and when, ...) is not necessarily armed with the skills / aptitude that will translate well into a programming, accounting, paralegal, writing, etc. type of job.

Bloomberg was particularly focused on the problem of retraining low-skilled workers such as laborers (he used a farm laborer planting seeds as an example).   He could have used a manufacturing laborer (assembly line) or a coal laborer or a construction laborer as an example.    It is a challenging problem to figure out how to transition those whose jobs are drying up into jobs that are more abundant in the USA.   The difficulty going from working with one's hands to a job where one largely works with one's mind is what he was noting.   (And note, the opposite would be true too ... obviously not everyone in a more cognitive job will be physically capable of taking on physical labor jobs.)

 
 
 
cjcold
7.1.3  cjcold  replied to  TᵢG @7.1.2    7 months ago

So we're to have a nature V nurture discussion?

 
 
 
TᵢG
7.1.4  TᵢG  replied to  cjcold @7.1.3    7 months ago

I do not see that.   It really boils down to the fact that we all have different strengths and weaknesses.   Just because someone is good at one job does not mean they will be good at another (or that they could stand doing the other).   

So when faced with a large displacement of low-skilled labor jobs we (society) will face the problem that many will simply not be able to (or want to) make the transition.   To reference Biden as an example, I disagree with his notion that if one can throw coal into a furnace one can learn how to program.    That is like saying if one can roll paint on a wall then one should be able to do design a bridge.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
8  Perrie Halpern R.A.    7 months ago

OK how about the real unedited version of this story:

Edited video of Mike Bloomberg appears to insult farmers, factory workers, but there's more to the story

A video circulated by President Donald Trump’s supporters on Monday, with more than a million views, attempts to show presidential candidate Mike Bloomberg making disparaging remarks about farmers and manufacturing workers.

But the short, edited clip from a 2016 appearance by Bloomberg at the University of Oxford, doesn't provide the full context of the presentation. 

In the video circulated on Twitter, Bloomberg says: “I could teach anybody, even people in this room so no offense intended, to be a farmer. It's a process. You dig a hole, you put a seed in, you put dirt on top, add water, up comes the corn. You could learn that.”

But the video deleted the first part of that statement, in which Bloomberg says, “if you think about the agrarian society (that) lasted 3,000 years, we could teach processes.”

In the full video , the Democrat presidential candidate wasn't referring to modern agriculture at all, and "Team Trump is deliberately misleading Americans,” said Bloomberg spokesman Brandon Weathersby.

In the video, Bloomberg went on to address U.S. manufacturing and more about agriculture, saying: “Then you have 300 years of the industrial society. You put the piece of metal on the lathe, you turn the crank in the direction of the arrow and you can have a job. And we created a lot of jobs. At one point, 98% of the world worked in agriculture; today it’s 2% in the United States. Now comes the information economy, and the information economy is fundamentally different because it’s built around replacing people with technology … You have to have a lot more gray matter.”

The Twitter reaction to the edited version of the video was visceral, with farmers and others saying the billionaire former New York mayor was out of touch with modern agriculture and manufacturing.

“He just insulted every farmer and every blue collar worker because they don't have as much 'gray matter' as smart people in the info tech biz," was one response.

“The man has no clue how much information and technology goes into agriculture and skilled trades careers. Humans flipped from 98% to less than 2% agricultural in a couple of centuries for a reason,” was another response.

For anyone not familiar with today's farming and manufacturing, the controversy is a “teachable moment,” dairy farmer Sarah Lloyd, from Sauk County said in a Journal Sentinel interview.

Today’s   farmers are at the mercy of world market s as well as areas such as agronomy, climate change and new technologies. Likewise, manufacturing jobs have changed to become much more skilled.

“We have people here in the Midwest working really hard in high-tech areas across the economy. Come visit us in Wisconsin, is what I would say,” said Lloyd, who in 2018 made an unsuccessful bid, as a Democrat, for the U.S. House of Representatives.

https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/02/17/bloomberg-video-appears-insult-farmers-but-full-context-deleted/4786501002/

Actual video

So fake news.

 
 
 
MAGA
8.1  MAGA  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @8    7 months ago

So liberal Newsweek is pedaling in fake news?  Who’d have thunk it?  🤣

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
8.1.1  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  MAGA @8.1    7 months ago

Don't you check links? That was not Newsweek. It was the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel.     

 
 
 
MAGA
8.1.2  MAGA  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @8.1.1    7 months ago

I did check the link to the seeded story we are all here talking about.  It’s Newsweek.  

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
8.2  Freedom Warrior  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @8    7 months ago

That’s just an incredibly lame defense,  I saw the whole thing we know the guy was revealing his elitist snobbery as he has done over and over again throughout his career,  the guy is truly a despicable New Yorker.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
8.2.1  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Freedom Warrior @8.2    7 months ago

Then you didn't watch a damn thing. He wasn't talking about today's farmers. In fact, when he does reference them, he talks about the technology needed. You are the one supporting an elitist snob New Yorker who wouldn't rent to blacks and tried to have 5 innocent kids killed. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
8.2.2  TᵢG  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @8.2.1    7 months ago

I agree, clearly he did not watch the video based on his commentary.

By the way, for those who want to see the context of the Bloomberg quote, position to 41:50.   Bloomberg's point was that technology is making more manual labor oriented jobs obsolete and that the mental labor jobs are not likely substitutes.   Clearly some people are skilled with their hands and others are skilled with their minds.   Craftsman skills – even those of the master craftsmen (craftspersons?), for example, do not translate well into the skills required to be a knowledge worker.

Partisan politics remains a highly dishonest game where the end justifies any means.   No wonder the really good candidates typically do not run.


As an aside, AI is starting to obsolete knowledge worker (and similar) jobs.   So it is not just hand-skills that are under pressure but also mental skills such as clerical work.   IBM Watson, by the way, has been adapted to generate legal briefs, basic contracts and other more routine work.  This is work that legal associates typically do.   The next 10 years are, IMO, going to reveal profound changes in how we think about employment in the USA and beyond.    

 
 
 
Transyferous Rex
8.2.3  Transyferous Rex  replied to  TᵢG @8.2.2    7 months ago

TiG, what you say is accurate. Had Bloomberg jumped to his statement about finding a place in the information economy for laborers, or people already out of school, I'd probably not have any issue. It's the statement he threw in that you now have to learn the skill sets of thinking and analyzing, and the suggestion that farmers, construction workers, etc., apparently can't think and can't analyze. That's more than saying that this group is more skilled with their hands, while this group is better at abstract thinking, and we need to find a way to get the hands people involved in the economy. While it may be true that your average frame hand will never be the lead architect on a siebel implementation, it doesn't mean that said frame hand lacks the basic skills of thinking and analyzing. 

As far as your aside goes, that's the first thing that crossed my mind. It's easier to replace a secretary with technology than it is to replace a framing crew. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
8.2.4  TᵢG  replied to  Transyferous Rex @8.2.3    7 months ago
It's the statement he threw in that you now have to learn the skill sets of thinking and analyzing, and the suggestion that farmers, construction workers, etc., apparently can't think and can't analyze.

One can choose to interpret another's words in many ways.   To me, Bloomberg was pointing out the obvious difference between someone who engages in work that is more physical rather than more abstract.   Not everyone can move from framer to accountant, from miner to software engineer, etc.  (By the way, the reverse is true too.)    Bloomberg is an intelligent man and clearly understands that managing any business requires cognitive skills.   The larger the business, the more complex and thus the more cognitive skills are required.   Large scale farming is no simple feat and to presume he is ignorant of this just does not seem reasonable to me.   Obviously the man is not suggesting that the farming industry is so simplistic that one only need know how to dig a hole, drop in a seed, water and later harvest corn.   He is not an idiot;  one should take that into consideration.

Going with the obvious assumption that Bloomberg is an intelligent, informed human being, it seems clear that he was talking about the challenges (impedance mismatch) of retraining workers whose skills are more physical to take on jobs where the skills are more cognitive.   After all, that was the context of the discussion.    

Lots of spin going on here.   Hopefully Bloomberg has the skills to set the record straight during debates.    Ugly, ugly business politics.   Disgusting actually: the intellectual dishonesty is off the charts and flat out malicious.

As far as your aside goes, that's the first thing that crossed my mind. It's easier to replace a secretary with technology than it is to replace a framing crew. 

Today, it is still much more cost effective to have human framers than (even if the technology were here today) to have robotic framers.   Human beings are far more dexterous, agile and can solve problems on the fly.   However, if we go to commercial carpentry, it makes obvious sense to manufacture pre-fab walls using automation rather than have an assembly line of commercial carpenters except, perhaps, in custom / atypical jobs.

Due to necessity, it seems reasonable that we will try to preserve as many jobs as possible because simply giving people money is a losing proposition.   But I fear we are in an inevitable dynamic where technology will continue to improve and eliminate many more jobs than it creates (at a higher rate than we have ever experienced):   both in the manual and cognitive realms.   We will be forced to evolve our system to either avoid or effectively deal with double digit unemployment.

 
 
 
Transyferous Rex
8.2.5  Transyferous Rex  replied to  TᵢG @8.2.4    7 months ago
To me, Bloomberg was pointing out the obvious difference between someone who engages in work that is more physical rather than more abstract. 

I agree, to an extent. After suggesting that thinking and analysis are absent in construction, factory, and farm work, (its a process, farmers are lucky they make it home from the mill before the corn starts growing), he also suggests that basically everyone out of school is in peril, because they were not taught the necessary skills, and follows with:

I can tell you how to fix the school systems, so that the kids come out with better skills, more ability to appreciate life, to work collaboratively and collectively, to read the instruction manuals, and follow orders...

Almost disturbing how quickly he went from stating that the problem was a lack of the ability to think or analyze to suggesting that the fix includes graduating a bunch of manual readers and order followers. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
8.2.6  TᵢG  replied to  Transyferous Rex @8.2.5    7 months ago
he also suggests that basically everyone out of school is in peril, because they were not taught the necessary skills

Is it not desirable to teach our kids the skills needed to succeed in life?   

Almost disturbing how quickly he went from stating that the problem was a lack of the ability to think or analyze to suggesting that the fix includes graduating a bunch of manual readers and order followers. 

Man that is some serious negative reading.   Most everyone in the workforce 'follows orders' — precious few people do not have managers.   'Reading instruction manuals' was simply an example.   You have recast his message from the quite sensible 'teaching marketable / functional skills' to producing a bunch of human robots.

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
8.2.7  Freedom Warrior  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @8.2.1    7 months ago

I saw the whole thing.  New Yorker fukwadism at its best. And get this straight for Christ sake.   I not a Trump supporter.  I support policy positions and I oppose people like you.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
8.2.8  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Freedom Warrior @8.2.7    7 months ago
I support policy positions and I oppose people like you.

Hey, we finally agree! 

 
 
 
Transyferous Rex
8.2.9  Transyferous Rex  replied to  TᵢG @8.2.6    7 months ago

TiG, as you say, he is intelligent. If he did not want to convey that message, perhaps then he could have used different examples. Again, he claims that pretty much everyone out of school is sunk "because it's not clear this can be learned," but he knows how to fix the school...lemme run through my list of examples here, oh yes, order following...manual reading...playing well with others. 

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I'm not saying those are bad attributes, but he stuck his chest out and grabbed the corner of his lapels, like he was going to knock us down with some earth shattering examples. Manual reading...that's what he came up with. Let's not forget that this immediately follows his belittling of anything and everything farming, construction, industrial, as a learned process anyone can do. So yes, I believe he went full circle. We'll replace these farming robots with these manual reading, order following robots.

 
 
 
TᵢG
8.2.10  TᵢG  replied to  Transyferous Rex @8.2.9    7 months ago

Have you ever had someone spin your words into a nasty intent?

Bloomberg was talking to college students in a question / answer style presentation.   This was one of many recorded appearances where the man opined on various issues.    It is one thing to observe a public individual and see a clear pattern such as following a racist like David Duke or a lying scumbag like Kenneth Copeland.   It is dishonest partisan politics to spin ugly allegations about a person by exploiting the fuzziness and flexibility of the English language.

Trouble is, that intellectually dishonest practice works; we see it all the time on social media forums and in partisan articles.

Manual reading...that's what he came up with. 

Fault the man, then, with not being able to come up with the perfect examples on the fly to express his point.   That is far better than parsing his words to find the ugliest possible meaning and taking that as his likely intent.   Not only is that unfair, but it is inaccurate.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
8.2.11  JohnRussell  replied to  TᵢG @8.2.6    7 months ago

"Information technology" has basically one goal, to create systems for doing things faster and more efficiently. Often this involves reducing the human factor - we create "computers" that can replace human beings who make mistakes when they get tired, and slow down when they get tired. 

This replacement will not stop. Eventually every job where a human can be replaced by a machine will have that outcome, and many tens of millions of Americans will be permanently put out of work. There will not be enough "new jobs" to make up the difference, not even close.  This is inevitable because even new jobs will become obsolete at an ever increasing rate. 

Andrew Yang is the only candidate this year who discussed this inevitability with any coherence. And he got 1% of the vote. 

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
9  Freedom Warrior    7 months ago

Just the sort of elitist out of touch fukwadian attitude you would get from a asswipe New Yorker.

 
 
 
MAGA
9.1  MAGA  replied to  Freedom Warrior @9    7 months ago

Indeed. Between this and all his misogynistic comments and racist comments and actions one would think 🤔 his campaign to be on life support.  

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
9.1.1  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  MAGA @9.1    7 months ago
Indeed. Between this and all his misogynistic comments:

Oh you must be talking about Trump:

Mr. Trump: Yeah, that’s her. With the gold. I better use some Tic Tacs just in case I start kissing her. You know, I’m automatically attracted to beautiful — I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don’t even wait. And when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything.

Mr. Bush: Whatever you want.

Mr. Trump: Grab ’em by the pussy. You can do anything.

 
 
 
MAGA
9.1.2  MAGA  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @9.1.1    7 months ago

In her  "Ingraham Angle"  monologue Monday, Laura Ingraham pointed to former New York City Mayor  Michael Bloomberg  as an example of the "snobs" among the Democrats.

Ingraham criticized the 78-year-old New Yorker for his recently resurfaced comments about farmers. However, the host added that there was some context to his remarks.

"I could teach anybody, even people in this room, to be a farmer. It’s a process, you dig a hole, you put a seed in, you put dirt on top, add water, up comes the corn. You could learn that," Bloomberg said in a recently resurfaced video from 2016.

Ingraham noted that the Democrat's remarks continued, as he attempted to make a point about the differences between different societies before the advent of the "information economy."

"How much would you pay to see Bloomberg try to dig ditches all day? I would pay a lot of money, personally. What a snobby, elitist comment that is," she said.

Noting that the media called for Bloomberg's remarks to be presented in their proper context, she added that Republicans rarely if ever received the same courtesy.

"For [conservatives] there is never more to the story -- they just jump to boycotts," she remarked. "Any time President Trump's team tries to provide context after anything that people consider controversial... they are just ignored." She cited his comments following the 2017 attack in Charlottesville, Va., and his remarks about certain "sh--hole countries."

She added that Bloomberg had a history of making "snobbish" remarks, pointing to the infamous "Big Gulp" restriction he tried to institute as mayor of the country's largest city.

"The Board of Health's limit on the serving size of sugary drinks does not limit anyone's consumption. It just requires them to think whether they really want more than 16 ounces," he said in a clip Ingraham played.

"Don’t you think that there would probably be a lot of things that he would force us to understand [if he were president]," she remarked.

Ingraham also noted Bloomberg's reaction to the December 2019 Texas church shooting during which a legally armed parishioner shot the attacker. Bloomberg said it was the job of police, not an average citizen, to "decide when to shoot."

She added that in the big picture, the Democrats no longer were as inclusive as they once claimed to be, referencing former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and former President Obama. "From Hillary's deplorables to Obama's bitter clingers, the left loves to trash the common man."

"[A]t the core of all of this is not just snobbery, but it's a deep and unwavering contempt for traditional American ideals, because in this elitist view of sanctimonious snobs, the rights to life and to liberty, without which the pursuit of happiness is meaningless, are reserved only for those who truly deserve to have them. You have to think the right way to have them,"... https://www.foxnews.com/media/ingraham-michael-bloomberg-democrats-party-snobs

 
 
 
Kathleen
9.1.4  Kathleen  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @9.1.1    7 months ago

I agree that women should not be treated and talked about like that. The problem is that some women are looking for men with a lot of money and power and they will do anything to have it. Unfortunately, some people think that money is more important then their self respect.  Actually, they are both wrong. I am not defending Trump for what he said, but some of those women are not angels either.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
9.1.5  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  MAGA @9.1.2    7 months ago

Laura Ingram should be ashamed of herself for continuing to spread this lie. I posted the video and clearly he does not insult farmers. 

"How much would you pay to see Bloomberg try to dig ditches all day? I would pay a lot of money, personally. What a snobby, elitist comment that is," she said.

What a joke. When was the last time that woman picked up a vacuum cleaner and a dust cloth and not ruin her manicure? See how that works? And what makes it worse is that it's based on a lie that I clearly posted and you keep spreading. 

She added that in the big picture, the Democrats no longer were as inclusive as they once claimed to be, referencing former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and former President Obama. "From Hillary's deplorables to Obama's bitter clingers, the left loves to trash the common man."

And she does? Trump does? They can talk the talk, but when was the last time the "common man" was part of their real life world? When did the donate 1.5 billion dollars to a university so that any kid in need could go? Who are the real snobs? Laura who hangs with her own kind, or Bloomberg who goes to the local city univerisity for free, and gives the graduates jobs?

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
9.1.6  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to    7 months ago

Where did the Wally that first came here go?

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
9.1.7  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Kathleen @9.1.4    7 months ago

Kathleen, 

This isn't a rape case. This is about his comment. His comment is gross.

 
 
 
Kathleen
9.1.8  Kathleen  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @9.1.7    7 months ago

It is, and I would have nothing to do with a man that referred to woman like that. Where did you get rape from? I was talking about women that go after men of power. Now if you are talking about using their power to have sex with them ( Harvey Weinstein) for instance, yes! Also, if Trump has used his money and power to use women then I agree. I was talking about the women that go after these men for their money.

I don’t think you all are understanding what I am trying to say.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
9.1.10  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @9.1.6    7 months ago

Where did the Wally that first came here go?

It's WALLY GONE WILD !

I wanna party with that COWBOY!

 
 
 
Split Personality
9.1.11  Split Personality  replied to  MAGA @9.1.2    7 months ago

Posted 16 hours ago and you obviously did not watch it then.

For both you and Ms. Ingraham. 

It's an hour long, not that I would expect you to invest the time to learn about a candidate.

Hardly sounds like an elite snob.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
9.1.12  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to    7 months ago

But you are fine with Trumps? LMAO... 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
9.1.14  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to    7 months ago

OK all that is supposed to be from a book that was handed out at a party in 1990.

ABC News has obtained one of the few remaining original copies. The 32-page booklet contains what are alleged to be Bloomberg’s own views and off-hand commentary on a wide range of subjects -- language his campaign says he cannot remember using.......

Titled "The Portable Bloomberg: The Wit & Wisdom of Michael Bloomberg ," the booklet was originally compiled by colleagues in honor of Bloomberg’s 48th birthday. The woman who compiled the quotes from colleagues, Elisabeth DeMarse, had served as Bloomberg's head of marketing in the 1990s. In a brief conversation earlier this month, DeMarse confirmed what she told New York magazine when it first surfaced publicly in 2001, when Bloomberg ran for mayor of New York.....

https://abcnews.go.com/US/alleged-off-color-disparaging-remarks-fill-1990-booklet/story?id=67762651

So basically all hearsay from one woman. 

Actually, what amazes me, even more, is that the liberal press is going after as much as the conservative. I find it amusing. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
9.1.17  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to    7 months ago

No you got moderated for making things personal to me. And you are still doing it, while trolling me.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
9.1.18  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to    7 months ago

It was supposed to be a joke, and how do you know how well she knew him? And he knew what was in there. It was a joke. Holy PC.

And please don't pretend that you don't have your loyalties. You do. 

 
 
 
Split Personality
9.1.19  Split Personality  replied to    7 months ago

Trumps comments and actions prove he's a racist too.  All the way back to 1973 housing lawsuits over racial profiling.

So the country may very well have to choose between two old white men in their 70's who have made racists comments, Bloomberg who can at least apologize publicly and the other one who doubles down whenever he is challenged.

One who has a history of philanthropy versus one who is a philanderer.

Bloomberg who was fired once and started a multi billion dollar international company versus Trump,

the king of bankruptcy, who allegedly launders the money of Russian oligarchs.

Hope you have plenty of popcorn.jrSmiley_123_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
9.2  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Freedom Warrior @9    7 months ago

And you apparently don't read posts. It never happened. And btw, your president is an "elitist out of touch fukwadian attitude you would get from a asswipe New Yorker."

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
9.2.1  Freedom Warrior  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @9.2    7 months ago

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bbl-1
9.2.2  bbl-1  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @9.2    7 months ago

And the legacy of "The Stormy Who" continues to continue until it can't continue anymore.

I saw the Bloomberg speech---he did speak truth---a sad truth---but a truth none the less.  American productivity is not the same as it was in my father's time. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
9.2.3  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  bbl-1 @9.2.2    7 months ago

Also this BS about NY being elitist. I live in the metro area. We have family farms and vineyards here on Long Island. Our state is the 2nd largest apple state and #3 in dairy. I live down the lane from a chicken egg farm. I've seen what companies like Monsanto have done to the farming industry first hand, so you are right, big industry stole the family farm.

 
 
 
bbl-1
9.2.4  bbl-1  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @9.2.3    7 months ago

Well said.  In my state, Ohio, small farm bankruptcies and foreclosures are on the uptick. 

Can not confirm this, but there are reports in 'some local papers' that US investors with access to foreign capital are buying the farms.  Whatever that means.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
9.2.5  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  bbl-1 @9.2.4    7 months ago

It's China. They are using US investors to buy our farms:

https://www.npr.org/2019/05/27/723501793/american-soil-is-increasingly-foreign-owned

"Texas is kind of a free-for-all, so they don't have a limit on how much land can be owned," say's Ohio Farm Bureau's Ty Higgins. "You look at Iowa and they restrict it — no land in Iowa is owned by a foreign entity."

Ohio, like Texas, also has no restrictions, and nearly half a million acres of prime farmland are held by foreign-owned entities. In the northwestern corner of the state, below Toledo, companies from the Netherlands alone have purchased 64,000 acres for wind farms.

There are two counties in this region with the highest concentration of foreign-owned farmland — more than 41,000 acres each. One of those is Paulding County, where three wind farms straddle the Ohio-Indiana line.

Angela Huffman is a sixth-generation farmer in Wyandot County, which, along with Paulding County, has more than 41,000 acres of foreign-owned farmland. Her modest, two-story white farmhouse has been in her family for almost 200 years. Her grandfather was the last person to actively farm the land here. When he got out of farming due to declining markets, none of his five children wanted to take over, and the cropland is now leased.

But Huffman, a young millennial who lives here with her mother, wants to try to keep the farm going and revive her family heritage.

Walking out to the barn, a huge white Great Pyrenees dog watches over a small flock of sheep. Huffman says she's worried about the effects of foreign land ownership on her rural community — which she describes as similar to Walmart pushing local businesses out of the market.

"Right out my back door here, Chinese-owned Smithfield Foods, the largest pork producer in the world, has recently bought out a couple grain elevators," Huffman says, pointing across the field behind her house, "basically extracting the wealth out of the community."

 
 
 
bbl-1
9.2.6  bbl-1  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @9.2.5    7 months ago

Well, we are into nearly forty years of Supply Side Economics and-----------just what SSE is-----concentrates the wealth into smaller groups of people or controlling interests.  That is all it does.

 
 
 
Texan1211
9.2.7  Texan1211  replied to  bbl-1 @9.2.6    7 months ago
Well, we are into nearly forty years of Supply Side Economics and-----------just what SSE is-----concentrates the wealth into smaller groups of people or controlling interests.  That is all it does.

If SSE is so bad, may I ask why you continue to support people who are unwilling to change things?

 
 
 
bbl-1
9.2.8  bbl-1  replied to  Texan1211 @9.2.7    7 months ago

Forever Ubiquitous.

 
 
 
Texan1211
9.2.9  Texan1211  replied to  bbl-1 @9.2.8    7 months ago

Looks like you got yourself a new little catchphrase!

Congrats!

 
 
 
squiggy
9.2.10  squiggy  replied to  Texan1211 @9.2.9    7 months ago

Now see, that’s the intellect which sets the left apart.

 
 
 
MAGA
9.2.11  MAGA  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @9.2    7 months ago

He’s your President too and he’s a blue collar billionaire. He cares about common citizens and our plight.  He was also wise enough to move to Florida and reject the stupid state and city that rejected him.  When Trump visited Daytona he was simply going to his home state for the day.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
9.2.12  Tessylo  replied to  MAGA @9.2.11    7 months ago

He's no blue collar man or billionaire.  

 
 
 
r.t..b...
9.2.13  r.t..b...  replied to  MAGA @9.2.11    7 months ago
he’s a blue collar billionaire.

That takes the starch out of any reasonable defense.

He has done nothing his entire life that could be called 'blue collar'. Born into privilege, attended private schools, avoided the Vietnam war, never punched a time-clock much less put in an honest days work. Has he ever changed a tire, changed a diaper, worked a double-shift, worked with his hands, worried about affording his children's education, or worried about affording his retirement?

You, sir, have been duped and are being used.

 
 
 
Sparty On
9.2.14  seeder  Sparty On  replied to  r.t..b... @9.2.13    7 months ago

The only people getting duped here are the ones who think Bloomberg is now somehow "blue collar" or gives two shits about anyone who doesn't think like he does.  

The spin has begun, the spin attempting to convince all Americans that Bloomberg is Mr nice guy, ready to preserve and protect the American dream.   Problem is woe be unto you if one of the liberties you happen to care about in America is in Mikes cross-hairs because if Mike has anything to say about it, it's gone.  

So sorry ..... buh-bye to that liberty ..... Mike knows whats best for you ..... really he does!

 
 
 
katrix
9.2.15  katrix  replied to  MAGA @9.2.11    7 months ago
he’s a blue collar billionaire

He's never done anything to even get his hands dirty. He's an elite coastal New Yorker who hates common decency and our Constitution.

How can anyone be this gullible?

 
 
 
r.t..b...
9.2.16  r.t..b...  replied to  Sparty On @9.2.14    7 months ago
...or gives two shits about anyone who doesn't think like he does. 

Welcome to politics. No candidate since I've been old enough to take an interest is 'blue collar'...but they all certainly pander to that demographic in their self-serving drive to be elected. That being said, Bloomberg has become a significant player going forward.

 
 
 
Sparty On
9.2.17  seeder  Sparty On  replied to  r.t..b... @9.2.16    7 months ago
No candidate since I've been old enough to take an interest is 'blue collar'...but they all certainly pander to that demographic in their self-serving drive to be elected.

No argument there but some do follow through on their pandering better than others.

That being said, Bloomberg has become a significant player going forward.

He is just starting to get scrutinized so time will tell if that lasts.   Funny thing is he is like Trump to me in that here are things i really like about him and things i really dislike.   Those things are different to be sure but in the end i'll vote for the candidate who represents my belief system the best and what i feel is best for this country.

And right now that ain't Bloomberg.

 
 
 
r.t..b...
9.2.18  r.t..b...  replied to  Sparty On @9.2.17    7 months ago
in the end i'll vote for the candidate who represents my belief system the best and what i feel is best for this country.

That is what we all do...'and right now that ain't' the incumbent.

You're in Michigan and I'm in Arizona, two potential battleground states so our votes won't necessarily cancel each other out...but the bottom line for all of us is to educate ourselves...understand the candidates, referendums, and proposals placed before us and VOTE. 

 
 
 
Sparty On
9.2.19  seeder  Sparty On  replied to  r.t..b... @9.2.18    7 months ago

I agree, absolutely and that is pretty tough to do in this current environment of disinformation.   What's real and what's spin?   It's going to take a concerted effort to dig out the truth.   An effort i'm afraid most Americans won't bother with.

Case in point, i have employees who will only vote for the candidate their union tells them to vote for.  

That is extent of their research ..... pretty damn sad but true.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
9.2.20  XDm9mm  replied to  Sparty On @9.2.19    7 months ago
Case in point, i have employees who will only vote for the candidate their union tells them to vote for. 

Years back, when I was a District Steward with CWA in NY, the union was sued and lost the case regarding union dues.  They could only collect for DIRECT union representation with NY Telephone and NOT/NOT for other 'union actions' like politicking.   

Most NYT workers at the time were Republican yet the Union always supported the Democrats, and they got tired of paying the union to help their opposition.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
9.2.21  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Sparty On @9.2.19    7 months ago
I agree, absolutely and that is pretty tough to do in this current environment of disinformation.   What's real and what's spin?   It's going to take a concerted effort to dig out the truth.   An effort i'm afraid most Americans won't bother with.

When are you supposin you and others are gonna attempt to make this 'effort' you speak of ?

 
 
 
Sparty On
9.2.22  seeder  Sparty On  replied to  igknorantzrulz @9.2.21    7 months ago

You want to make this personal and that ain't happening on my article.  

Leave it right there and we are good, keep it going and we are not.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
9.2.23  JohnRussell  replied to  Sparty On @9.2.19    7 months ago
Case in point, i have employees who will only vote for the candidate their union tells them to vote for.   That is extent of their research ..... pretty damn sad but true.

Millions of Trump voters have never done any research at all. Not only that, most of them still support him even though he has told them thousands of lies while he has been in office.  How do you explain voting for someone who you know has lied to you thousands of times? 

The truth is that any ethical fault that may exist with a particular Democratic candidate exists with Trump x 50. 

It is not possible to paint Trumps behavior , in and out of office, in any sort of good light. 

 
 
 
Sparty On
9.2.24  seeder  Sparty On  replied to  JohnRussell @9.2.23    7 months ago
Millions of Trump voters have never done any research at all.

The same can be said for millions of Democrats.   I've been clear on that here John so what's your point?

 
 
 
katrix
9.2.25  katrix  replied to  MAGA @9.2.11    7 months ago
He was also wise enough to move to Florida and reject the stupid state and city that rejected him

He hates NY and CA because they successfully nailed him for his fraudulent charity and fraudulent university, to the tune of $33 million total.

But sure, call NY stupid because they held him accountable for ripping off the little people. Elitist left coaster.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
9.2.26  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Sparty On @9.2.14    7 months ago

Sparty,

No Bloomberg is not blue collar, but on the other hand, he came from middle-class family and he does actually put his money where his mouth is. 

You think that he will take away your liberties and I think it's already in progress of happening. So really it is just a matter of perspective. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
9.2.27  JohnRussell  replied to  r.t..b... @9.2.13    7 months ago

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Perrie Halpern R.A.
9.2.28  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Sparty On @9.2.17    7 months ago
but in the end i'll vote for the candidate who represents my belief system the best and what i feel is best for this country.

Agreed, but I've seen what 4 years of Trump has done to my and where he is taking this country and that ain't for me. 

I will be voting otherwise.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
9.2.29  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Sparty On @9.2.19    7 months ago
Case in point, i have employees who will only vote for the candidate their union tells them to vote for.   That is extent of their research ..... pretty damn sad but true.

I agree, that is a very sad state of affairs. Most people don't do their homework unlike us political junkies,  :)

 
 
 
JohnRussell
9.2.30  JohnRussell  replied to  Sparty On @9.2.24    7 months ago

The entire defense for "Donald Trump" is whataboutism.  Trump does something unethical? Harry Truman did the same thing.  Trump is shown to be a crook? Woodrow Wilson did something similar. Trump is shown to be a cheat? So was JFK, ... and on and on and on ad nauseum.  If you catalog all the human failings of the other 44 presidents combined you begin to approach the failings of one Donald Trump. 

Thats not how logic works. 

He is THE worst president in US history , and that is hardly a recommendation for re-election. 

 
 
 
Sparty On
9.2.31  seeder  Sparty On  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @9.2.26    7 months ago
You think that he will take away your liberties and I think it's already in progress of happening.

No arguments from me.   Never said it wasn't already happening but imo one thing is for sure.   We don't need is more of it and i have little doubt that Mike will bring more of it than Trump.   Especially in areas me and mine are very passionate about.

I'll say what i said last time we talked about Bloomberg.   You like him, i don't.   It's that simple.    That's his job to change my mind about that.    Not yours or anyone else's and i'm still not buying what he's selling.   Not in the least.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
9.2.32  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  katrix @9.2.25    7 months ago

He also moved to Flordia to avoid the cap he put on real estate taxes. That was his FU to the states who didn't vote for him. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
9.2.33  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Sparty On @9.2.31    7 months ago
That's his job to change my mind about that.    Not yours or anyone else's and i'm still not buying what he's selling.   Not in the least.

This is a discussion site, so I will make my points, just like you posted this article. This is your attempt at persuasion, too. I am actually looking forward to the debates, now that he is in. Let's see how he handles himself. 

 
 
 
Sparty On
9.2.34  seeder  Sparty On  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @9.2.28    7 months ago

That is your prerogative

 
 
 
Sparty On
9.2.35  seeder  Sparty On  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @9.2.33    7 months ago
This is your attempt at persuasion, too.

No it isn't.   I could care less what you think about it and unlike others here have no desire to persuade you or anyone else here.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
9.2.36  Vic Eldred  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @9.2.26    7 months ago
You think that he will take away your liberties and I think it's already in progress of happening.

It's hard to say what he will do. We know what he used to stand for, which he has spent a lot of time apologizing for, but not much of anything when it comes to ideas. Remember Trump brought ideas to the table in 2016.  Bloomberg only seems to be saying - I'm not Trump. Does that do it for you?   Can we assume Biden is now out of the picture?

 
 
 
katrix
9.2.37  katrix  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @9.2.32    7 months ago
That was his FU to the states who didn't vote for him. 

Yes, the way he abuses his power to be vindictive towards anyone he doesn't like is one of the main reasons I feel he's totally unfit for office. A President should not act like a toddler; his impulses are uncontrollable.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
9.2.38  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Sparty On @9.2.22    7 months ago

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JohnRussell
9.2.39  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @9.2.36    7 months ago
Remember Trump brought ideas  grievances to the table in 2016. 

fixed it for you

 
 
 
JohnRussell
9.2.40  JohnRussell  replied to  Sparty On @9.2.35    7 months ago
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Split Personality
9.3  Split Personality  replied to  Freedom Warrior @9    7 months ago

Is that your elitist asswipe Californian with an attitude opinion?

 
 
 
bbl-1
10  bbl-1    7 months ago

This journalistic piece on Bloomberg misses far more than it reveals.  Besides, Trump digs coal too, right?

This too, the vast majority of so called farmers in America are corporate types, controlling thousands of acres repossessed by banks from smaller farmers, who wear three piece suits, have connections with Wall Street, The Big Banking Industry and have never ran their hands through the soil they control.

 
 
 
Sparty On
10.1  seeder  Sparty On  replied to  bbl-1 @10    7 months ago

Then you need to visit where i live in Northern Michigan.   Virtually all Farms are small family owned farms, some on their third and fourth generations.   Apples, Cherries, Wine Grapes, Milk Cows and now Hop farms in their first generation.   That and more and i know our small community is just like thousands of others with the same infrastructure of a small farm base.

People need to stop watching CNN and Fox so much, get in their cars and travel around America a little to see what is really out there.  

You will be surprised as it ain't all what CNN is trying to tell you it is.

 
 
 
evilgenius
10.1.1  evilgenius  replied to  Sparty On @10.1    7 months ago
...i live in Northern Michigan.   Virtually all Farms are small family owned farms, some on their third and fourth generations. 

WI has the highest rate of farmer suicide in the nation because of revenue loss. These 3rd and 4th generation farms are disappearing at a rapid rate.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
10.1.2  XDm9mm  replied to  evilgenius @10.1.1    7 months ago
These 3rd and 4th generation farms are disappearing at a rapid rate.

Then help stem the loss.  

Drink more milk.  That's the preponderance of farm loss in WI after all.   The biggest issue they face is more and more people are eschewing milk and dairy products in favor of alternatives like Soy and Almond drinks.

So SAVE A FARM.   DRINK MILK.

 
 
 
Sparty On
10.1.3  seeder  Sparty On  replied to  evilgenius @10.1.1    7 months ago

Or could that be because of the collapse of Milk prices starting around 2014?

That, is mainly a import/export, supply and demand thing.

That said if there is one industry we should be subsidizing as tax payers it should be our small farmers.   With oversight of course to insure against fraud but a better use of our tax dollars there is not imo.

 
 
 
katrix
10.1.4  katrix  replied to  XDm9mm @10.1.2    7 months ago
Drink more milk

Many adults can't handle lactose very well. It's actually our natural state to be lactose intolerant as adults, as are other animals.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
10.1.5  igknorantzrulz  replied to  katrix @10.1.4    7 months ago

forget lactose, how about reality, or as Jack stated, 'the truth'.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
10.1.6  XDm9mm  replied to  katrix @10.1.4    7 months ago
Many adults can't handle lactose very well.

I never indicated otherwise.  I simply noted that many are eschewing dairy for other products.

Hell, our species is carnivore, yet more and more people are trying to rely on the diet of a herbivore to live.

 

 
 
 
katrix
10.1.7  katrix  replied to  XDm9mm @10.1.6    7 months ago

We are omnivores. The healthiest populations consume very little meat in comparison with whole grains and vegetables.

 
 
 
evilgenius
10.1.8  evilgenius  replied to  Sparty On @10.1.3    7 months ago
Or could that be because of the collapse of Milk prices starting around 2014?

The collapse of milk prices was because of big businesses like Dean Foods. They bought milk contracts and then cut them when they became big enough to out compete small farms. Milk prices dropped and other small farms couldn't compete - needed loans for repairs and equipment and prices never recovered. In 2019 over 800 small dairy farmers closed doors in WI alone.

 
 
 
Sparty On
10.1.9  seeder  Sparty On  replied to  evilgenius @10.1.8    7 months ago

Nope, according to my Dairy Farmer friends here it was more of a supply and demand thing.  

Supply was going up, better productivity etc, and demand was going down.

A simple supply and demand situation.    Good for consumers but bad for producers.

 
 
 
evilgenius
10.1.10  evilgenius  replied to  Sparty On @10.1.9    7 months ago

I'm pretty sure I said that. LOL.

 
 
 
Sparty On
10.1.11  seeder  Sparty On  replied to  evilgenius @10.1.10    7 months ago

Lol ... no, not very well you didn't ...... big business had nothing to do with a decrease in demand or did they?  

Did they have some kind of alien mind control thing going to hurt their own business demand?

Ingenious!

 
 
 
evilgenius
10.1.12  evilgenius  replied to  Sparty On @10.1.11    7 months ago
big business had nothing to do with a decrease in demand or did they? 

They did and they do. The milk processors went into the milk cow business after they consolidated control. They did this down south and more recently up here.

Some Ohio dairy farmers are having to seek out new markets because Dean Foods, the second largest dairy company in the United States, has announced that beginning May 31, it will cut its contracts with 100 independent conventional dairy farmers in Ohio, Pennsylvania, New York, Indiana, Kentucky, Tennessee, North Carolina and South Carolina.

Source from 2018

“It's not all gloom and doom in the dairy industry," Roecker said. "But in order to survive, in any business, you have to grow. If you don’t, you’re falling behind."

Still, the debt, and the recession that followed the expansion, triggered financial stress that became unbearable. The farm was losing up to $30,000 a month, undermining years of hard work and careful planning for the future.

That’s when Roecker's depression kicked in. 

Source from 2019

Looks like the Dairy Farmers of America (a co-op) is trying to buy part of Dean Meals, but not everyone is happy with that either ( bolding mine ) -

Over time, the co-op has additionally invested closely in processing, which means it buys among the uncooked milk that its advertising department sells. These investments have created a battle, some dairy farmers argue, as a result of processors profit from decrease milk costs, whereas farmers profit from greater ones . A deal to accumulate Dean Meals would considerably broaden the co-op’s processing operations, heightening that battle of curiosity, critics of the potential merger say.

Source from yesterday

 
 
 
katrix
10.1.14  katrix  replied to    7 months ago

No actually, they're simply pointing out that eating less red meat is both healthier for people and better than the environment.

Why do you hate people who point out facts? You may not like knowing that too much red meat is bad for you, but intelligent people want to be informed so they can make better decisions.

 
 
 
Sparty On
10.1.15  seeder  Sparty On  replied to  evilgenius @10.1.12    7 months ago

None of that has anything to do with demand.  

They can't control if i chose to buy a gallon of regular milk, a gallon of Almond Milk or no milk at all ..... unless of course the devious bastards are alien mind controlling me ....

If anything the lower prices will force demand to go up not down ...... a simple lesson in supply and demand .... as prices go down, demand usually goes up.

 
 
 
katrix
10.1.16  katrix  replied to  Sparty On @10.1.15    7 months ago
They can't control if i chose to buy a gallon of regular milk, a gallon of Almond Milk or no milk at all

I don't actually drink milk; I prefer boring old water (or Pinot Grigio). I do prefer almond milk if I'm having cereal. I use cream or half-and-half in my coffee, though - almond milk and even whole milk don't have enough fat. And I love Greek yogurt.

When it comes to cheese, I can't bring myself to try almond cheese. My name is Katrix, and I am a cheeseoholic. Cheese. Cheese. Cow cheese. Goat cheese. Sheep cheese. Hard cheese. Soft cheese. Um. I may have a slight problem.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
10.1.18  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  evilgenius @10.1.1    7 months ago
WI has the highest rate of farmer suicide in the nation because of revenue loss. These 3rd and 4th generation farms are disappearing at a rapid rate.

That is happening here in NY, too, EG. People keep thinking that we are not a farming state but we are. The family farm up the road from me has been in operation since the early 1800's and they are worried. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
10.1.19  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to    7 months ago

Wally,

There is a difference between dairy cows and cattle. 

 
 
 
katrix
10.1.20  katrix  replied to    7 months ago

There is nothing debatable about my points - not to anyone who actually reads facts, and researches science, etc.

But to the willfully ignorant, anything is debatable if it's something they don't want to believe. Their orange god has taught them that screeching "Fake News" will fool the gullible every time. You go on eating tons of red meat and drinking sodas - diet or otherwise - and enjoy your future health.

 
 
 
It Is ME
10.1.21  It Is ME  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @10.1.18    7 months ago
People keep thinking that we are not a farming state but we are.

Blame the "media" for concentrating on NYC for that !

Even "Humble" ME knows that NYS is big on Farming. Lot's and Lot's of "Grape" growing near Lake Erie.

 
 
 
katrix
10.1.23  katrix  replied to    7 months ago
Climate change is debatable

Where the heck did climate change come into this? I was talking about how eating less red meat is healthier for people and for the environment, and wondering why you claim those are debatable when they are not. And no, climate change really isn't debatable either. The earth is warming, and whether or not you want to believe that humans are accelerating the warming, it's warming either way.

And the groundwater pollution caused by fracking has nothing to do with climate change. Yes, some contamination might occur - as you just admitted - and lots of people get their water from wells near those fracking sites. And there are always fractures in those "sealed" rocks. Ask the people in PA whose wells have been contaminated. Or ask folks in Wyoming. Those fracking companies inject the wastewater and chemicals back into the ground; maybe you weren't aware of that.

 
 
 
Sparty On
10.1.24  seeder  Sparty On  replied to  katrix @10.1.23    7 months ago

Well, neither are really on topic.

This article has gone the way of most articles here on NT in that they morph out into something else entirely and i'm not judging since i'm guilty of doing the same thing as well .....

 
 
 
katrix
10.1.25  katrix  replied to  Sparty On @10.1.24    7 months ago
Well, neither are really on topic

True, but at least the milk and red meat comments had to do with farming.

 
 
 
Split Personality
10.1.26  Split Personality  replied to  It Is ME @10.1.21    7 months ago

Ice Wines !!!!!!

 
 
 
Sparty On
10.1.27  seeder  Sparty On  replied to  Split Personality @10.1.26    7 months ago

Yep .... up state NY is not Bloomberg country .... very, very red up there in farm country.    It's just like Michigan.   Find a bigger city .... its probably blue.   Everywhere else?  

Pretty much red .....

 
 
 
JohnRussell
10.1.28  JohnRussell  replied to  Sparty On @10.1.24    7 months ago
Well, neither are really on topic. This article has gone the way of most articles here on NT in that they morph out into something else entirely and i'm not judging since i'm guilty of doing the same thing as well .....

You have had three of my comments deleted as "off topic" , when there are many other comments on this seed that are off topic and are still here. 

and i'm not judging since i'm guilty of doing the same thing as well .....

Oh you did judge. 

Oh well,l I may have to do the same thing on some of my seeds. 

 
 
 
Kathleen
11  Kathleen    7 months ago

Right now, my impression of him is that he looks down on people. 

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
11.1  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Kathleen @11    7 months ago

Right now, my impression of him is that he looks down on people. 

that's only because of his height.

 
 
 
Kathleen
11.1.1  Kathleen  replied to  igknorantzrulz @11.1    7 months ago

😁

 
 
 
Sparty On
11.1.2  seeder  Sparty On  replied to  igknorantzrulz @11.1    7 months ago

Only when he stands on a high enough box .....

 
 
 
KDMichigan
11.1.4  KDMichigan  replied to    7 months ago

I just seen this on FB.

256

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
11.1.5  igknorantzrulz  replied to  KDMichigan @11.1.4    7 months ago

well, they're FAR TOO BIG, to be

Trumps little hands

 
 
 
KDMichigan
11.1.6  KDMichigan  replied to  igknorantzrulz @11.1.5    7 months ago

Thank you for your TDS contribution.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
11.1.7  igknorantzrulz  replied to  KDMichigan @11.1.6    7 months ago

n e time

 
 
 
CB
11.1.8  CB   replied to  KDMichigan @11.1.4    7 months ago

And so it begins. . . those damnable meme wars.

Democrats! Eyes on the Electoral College where presidents are 'won.'

 
 
 
Texan1211
11.1.9  Texan1211  replied to  CB @11.1.8    7 months ago
Democrats! Eyes on the Electoral College where presidents are 'won.'

Sound advice. I told you that you would make a good campaign manager. A  little too late for Hillary though--she really, really could have used that specific advice!

 
 
 
CB
11.1.10  CB   replied to  Texan1211 @11.1.9    7 months ago

Yeah, well heavens me! Hillary is soOOO 2016 yesterday. Come on into 2020 the politics is fine. You're be better off here with the rest of us! I don't fret the dumb stuff.

 
 
 
Texan1211
11.1.11  Texan1211  replied to  CB @11.1.10    7 months ago

Way to take a compliment well!

Kudos!

 
 
 
XDm9mm
12  XDm9mm    7 months ago

Hey Mikey my boy....

Here's something you can try.   Take a stroll down the tree lined median barrier of Park Avenue in Manhattan.  You do know where that is don't you or do you only get to see that area as you roll by in you chauffeur driven limousine?  If you don't, reach out and I'll give you a guided tour.

While there, dig a few holes, put a seed in each one, cover it and water it and watch the corn grow.  That is after all, all there is to farming right Mike?  By the way, when you FAIL at farming, you can always eat the concrete and asphalt covering almost every square inch of ground in NYC can't you?

Oh, I forgot to mention Mike, your'e an elitist piece of shit not worthy of cutting the lawn of the White House, much less occupying it as President.  By the way Mike, could you even cut the lawn without getting instructions on how to operate that machinery called a 'lawn mower'?

 
 
 
katrix
12.1  katrix  replied to  XDm9mm @12    7 months ago

Everything you said could also apply to Trump. He couldn't start a lawn mower if his life depended on it. He won't even go to Camp David because he's afraid of the woods.

But somehow Trump being an elitist doesn't bother his fans.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
12.1.1  XDm9mm  replied to  katrix @12.1    7 months ago
Everything you said could also apply to Trump.

Really?   How little you actually know of the man.

As I come from NY, I can personally attest to actually seeing Trump operate tools on at least two different job sites.  Both of his sons (Eric and Donald Jr.) can operate some heavy equipment and I know a couple of the men who taught them how.

He won't even go to Camp David because he's afraid of the woods.

Oh please.   You and I both know where you pulled that bit of balderdash from and we can both agree that the sun don't shine there.

 
 
 
r.t..b...
12.1.2  r.t..b...  replied to  katrix @12.1    7 months ago
But somehow Trump being an elitist doesn't bother his fans.

The disconnect is befuddling. The incessant excuse making, the constant walking back, and the fallacious deflecting to past actors in justifying current behavior is absurd on its' face, and reckless in fact.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
12.1.3  igknorantzrulz  replied to  r.t..b... @12.1.2    7 months ago

to put it another way,

it's FCKN A RIDICULOUS 

how HYPOCRITICAL they are!

 
 
 
Sparty On
12.1.4  seeder  Sparty On  replied to  katrix @12.1    7 months ago
Everything you said could also apply to Trump. He couldn't start a lawn mower if his life depended on it.

So is that a good or a bad thing?

But somehow Trump being an elitist doesn't bother his fans.

Tomato, tomahto .....  they might both be east coast elitists but their politics are MUCH different.   One clearly wants to legislate behavior, the other has a much more live and let live mantra.

 
 
 
katrix
12.1.5  katrix  replied to  XDm9mm @12.1.1    7 months ago
As I come from NY, I can personally attest to actually seeing Trump operate tools on at least two different job sites

I find that impossible to believe. I lived in Manhattan for a year and a half, and Trump was known as someone who never actually did any manual labor. That's what he used illegal aliens for instead.

And he himself made it clear he doesn't do rustic.

 
 
 
r.t..b...
12.1.6  r.t..b...  replied to  Sparty On @12.1.4    7 months ago
the other has a much more live and let live mantra.

...unless of course, you have a 'D' beside your name and then you will be wildly accused, verbally accosted, and summarily dismissed in contempt. And perhaps if you reside in a 'liberal' city or state, you may have federal funding threatened or SWAT teams sent in to roust out the 'undesirables'. And god forbid you are an innocent child attempting to gain asylum at the border with your family. Not to mention if you are a traditional ally of this country, a member of our Military, State Department, intelligence community, or normal citizen for that matter... and wonder w.t.f. is going on in D.C. His entire administration has been driven by the goal of retribution and divisiveness. 

Live and let live mantra, Sparty?   Please.

 
 
 
Sparty On
12.1.7  seeder  Sparty On  replied to  r.t..b... @12.1.6    7 months ago
Live and let live mantra, Sparty?

Yeah, that's right and you have a very strange viewpoint of what's going right, what is going wrong in this country and who's causing it.

So save the self righteous indignation for someone who's buying it today.

I'm not.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
12.1.8  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Sparty On @12.1.7    7 months ago

I'm not.

buying what r.t.b is stating...?

Yet, the LIAR in Chief leads you around like a 'freak on a leash',

and no one is supposed to notice ?Are U not buying it cause you can't afford the embarrassment of admitting you were wrong when backing and rationalizing all the STUPIDITY known as ANYTHING TRUMP ? 

 
 
 
r.t..b...
12.1.9  r.t..b...  replied to  Sparty On @12.1.7    7 months ago
So save the self righteous indignation for someone who's buying it today.

Name calling? Trite...and lazy...your antagonist-in-chief would be proud. Save your two-cents as no one is selling anything and it may be of better value to you if spent in confirmation with the like-minded. You know, the economy (of scale) and all.

 
 
 
Ender
12.1.10  Ender  replied to  r.t..b... @12.1.6    7 months ago

Amazing isn't it.

The nasty things some will over look yet jump at any chance to disparage others.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
12.1.11  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  XDm9mm @12.1.1    7 months ago
As I come from NY,

No, you came from NY. You are a proud Texan, remember?

I can personally attest to actually seeing Trump operate tools on at least two different job sites. 

For a photo op. We all have seen that. His hands could never operate any heavy machinery. 

Both of his sons (Eric and Donald Jr.) can operate some heavy equipment and I know a couple of the men who taught them how.

Prove it. Find the photo.

Oh please.   You and I both know where you pulled that bit of balderdash from and we can both agree that the sun don't shine there.

Look who's talking about balderdash. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
12.1.12  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Sparty On @12.1.4    7 months ago
One clearly wants to legislate behavior, the other has a much more live and let live mantra.

While waiting for RBG to retire and fill the court with an anti-choice justice. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
12.1.13  Texan1211  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @12.1.12    7 months ago
While waiting for RBG to retire and fill the court with an anti-choice justice. 

Looks like a personal opinion to me. Kavanaugh hasn't ruled against abortions. Lots of Democrats were saying that he would. The record of his rulings prove differently.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
12.1.14  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Texan1211 @12.1.13    7 months ago

It hasn't been argued yet. But in case you haven't noticed our Presdent was on the "march for life" and said he would only put in pro-life justices, so please don't tell me that isn't up the pike. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
12.1.15  Texan1211  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @12.1.14    7 months ago

Can you name one single case where Kavanaugh has ruled against abortion?

 
 
 
Sparty On
12.1.16  seeder  Sparty On  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @12.1.12    7 months ago

Regardless, abortion isn't going anywhere.   It might look different than it does now if that happens and i emphasis "if" it happens but it will never be "outlawed" outright.   Not in this country, not in these times, no matter how many "anti-choice" judges there are.

You can rest easy.

 
 
 
Tessylo
12.1.17  Tessylo  replied to  Sparty On @12.1.16    7 months ago

No, they'll just restrict it so much as to make it extremely difficult and therefore restrict women's privacy/choice.  

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
12.1.18  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Sparty On @12.1.16    7 months ago

You will excuse me if I don't buy that. We have another current article running that says kind of the opposite. And if they can't get rid of it totally, many states will make it nearly impossible to get one. It's already happening with those heartbeat laws.

 
 
 
Sparty On
12.1.19  seeder  Sparty On  replied to  r.t..b... @12.1.9    7 months ago

Trite, name calling ....?   Nah but the truth does hurt don't it?

Embrace the truth ... it will set you free

 
 
 
Sparty On
12.1.20  seeder  Sparty On  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @12.1.18    7 months ago

Excused, but that  doesn't change my opinion on the matter in the least.

And if you want to keep discussing abortion i suggest you do it on the abortion article and not on the Bloomberg article.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
12.1.21  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Texan1211 @12.1.15    7 months ago
Can you name one single case where Kavanaugh has ruled against abortion?

Again, it hasn't been argued in front of him yet.

 
 
 
Texan1211
12.1.22  Texan1211  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @12.1.21    7 months ago

So you are making assumptions based on nothing?

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
12.1.23  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Sparty On @12.1.20    7 months ago

Sparty,

You talked just as much as I did. It would have never come up had why I am voting the way I am voting also didn't come up. But if it pleases you, I will refrain as long as you do.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
12.1.24  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Texan1211 @12.1.22    7 months ago

No, I am basing the facts on what is. 

*See, Sparty, not my fault. 

 
 
 
Sparty On
12.1.25  seeder  Sparty On  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @12.1.23    7 months ago

I know i did and now i'm trying to reign it in.

Okay?

 
 
 
Texan1211
12.1.26  Texan1211  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @12.1.24    7 months ago
No, I am basing the facts on what is. 

Looks far more like you are basing it ONLY on Trump's statements--and don't you claim he lies all the time?

What in Kavanaugh's history as a judge leads you to believe that way? What past decisions has he made that leads you to believe it?

 
 
 
r.t..b...
12.1.28  r.t..b...  replied to  Sparty On @12.1.19    7 months ago
Embrace the truth ... it will set you free

If your 'truth' defines my freedom, or anyone else's, we are already lost. 

 
 
 
Sparty On
12.1.29  seeder  Sparty On  replied to  r.t..b... @12.1.28    7 months ago

Nah, what is missing these days though is the live and let live modality of the past.

With too many folks it's all or nothing and they tend to be the loudest person in the room.

None of my beliefs are going to make you "lost."   You might think they will but they won't.   Not really.

 
 
 
r.t..b...
12.1.30  r.t..b...  replied to  Sparty On @12.1.29    7 months ago
None of my beliefs are going to make you "lost." 

Certainly not individually, Sparty...

...but when purely partisan policies are advocated by any administration and buttressed in blind loyalty by a significant portion of the electorate, and done so at the expense of fellow citizens, we can confidently predict nothing constructive will be accomplished in such an environment.

We have effectively reached the point of an impasse. Nothing will ever get done past pissing and moaning at the opposition. We are better and should expect more. 

 
 
 
Sparty On
12.1.31  seeder  Sparty On  replied to  r.t..b... @12.1.30    7 months ago

I agree to a point.  

All it takes is compromise but compromise is a two way street.   Compromise is not one way like many folks today seem to think it is.   Case in point, i abhor abortion as a rule but understand that in all but the most extreme cases its none of my or the governments business.   So neither side of that debate really accepts my position but i don't really give a shit about that.   I feel like it's the right compromise to make considering the topic at hand.

I despise people who won't compromise.   I think Bloomberg is one of those with certain things that i will never accept his position on.   So he will not get my vote.   It's really as simple as that right now unless he can convince me otherwise.

 
 
 
r.t..b...
12.1.32  r.t..b...  replied to  Sparty On @12.1.31    7 months ago
All it takes is compromise but compromise is a two way street

Agreed, Sparty.

Let us leave it at that today and perhaps we may reach another compromise tomorrow.   Peace...

...and on a lighter note with Spring Training kicking off, who will suck worse...your Tigers or my Rockies?  No easy answers there. 

 
 
 
Sparty On
12.1.33  seeder  Sparty On  replied to  r.t..b... @12.1.32    7 months ago

We have embraced the suck for only a few more years i hope.

Lots of nice prospect pitchers coming up, one or two may pop this year.

Peace be with you as well .... we all could use more of that.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
12.1.34  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to    7 months ago

What about Trump's view of women?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50563106

And Sparty I didn't start this again. Look up the thread.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
12.1.35  XDm9mm  replied to  katrix @12.1.5    7 months ago
I find that impossible to believe. I lived in Manhattan for a year and a half, and Trump was known as someone who never actually did any manual labor. That's what he used illegal aliens for instead.

Congratulations.   A whole year and a half?  

I lived in New York from birth in 1950 until I left in 1984.  I worked in Manhattan for about a total of ten years, including time working at the World Trade Towers.  So, you can believe what you please, but I believe I actually have a little more history and knowledge of NY then you ever will.

PS:   I actually met and chatted with Trump on a few occasions in the late 70's and very early 80's.

 
 
 
It Is ME
13  It Is ME    7 months ago

"You dig a hole, you put a seed in, you put dirt on top, add water, up comes the corn."

Even Us "Backyard Farmers" know......that's just "BULLSHIT" !

I wish it was that easy ! jrSmiley_103_smiley_image.jpg

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
13.1  igknorantzrulz  replied to  It Is ME @13    7 months ago

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It Is ME
13.1.1  It Is ME  replied to  igknorantzrulz @13.1    7 months ago
like Trump supporters ? that are so easy Trump can just grab them by the short whiskers ?

To Heavy on the Fertilizer there  igknorantzrulz ! jrSmiley_44_smiley_image.gif

Don't you know how to "Farm" ?jrSmiley_97_smiley_image.gif

Get with Bloomberg. He can teach you. jrSmiley_103_smiley_image.jpg

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
13.1.2  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  It Is ME @13.1.1    7 months ago

And even though I've shown that the whole video was edited and a lie, you continue on as if it was the truth. Wow. 

 
 
 
It Is ME
13.1.3  It Is ME  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @13.1.2    7 months ago

I watched the "Real thing" waaaaay before I spoke. He was STILL condescending in his words.

Just like he was during his "Friskie" Coulda woulda shoulda speech. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
13.1.4  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  It Is ME @13.1.3    7 months ago

Then that is just your perception. I found nothing to be condescending. 

And no it was nothing like the stop and frisk... but I love how you managed to bring that off topic comment into the discussion. 

He was talking at Oxford about economics and such. 

 
 
 
It Is ME
13.1.5  It Is ME  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @13.1.4    7 months ago
Then that is just your perception. I found nothing to be condescending. 

Interesting. Must not have "Personally" effected you. jrSmiley_26_smiley_image.gifjrSmiley_18_smiley_image.gif

"And no it was nothing like the stop and frisk"

Sure it is. It's just another of his "For It" before "Against it" typical Political "I want to be President" Thingies he's spouting now.

His : “You dig a hole, you put a seed in, you put dirt on top, add water, up comes the corn.”, is simplistic at best. Don't know a "Farmer" supplying world foods, to think that way, AT ALL. The "Simple" farmer already knows there is an actual science to producing well. They didn't need condescending Bloomy to tell them that.

Bernie's gonna be pissed with "Bloomy" being able to buy his way into the debate, after all the work Bernie had to do to stay in it. jrSmiley_42_smiley_image.gif

If Bloomy makes it as the "Democrat Candidate", will Bernie folks support a "Buy-in" billionaire guy ? 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
13.1.6  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  It Is ME @13.1.5    7 months ago
His : “You dig a hole, you put a seed in, you put dirt on top, add water, up comes the corn.”, is simplistic at best. Don't know a "Farmer" supplying world foods, to think that way, AT ALL. The "Simple" farmer already knows there is an actual science to producing well. They didn't need condescending Bloomy to tell them that.

You know I really hate it when you keep misrepresenting what he said. Do I need to find a transcript for you? I hate dishonest discussion. So there was nothing condescending about what he said. And I don't care what Bernie thinks. He didn't buy his way into the debate... he had to make the polls like everyone else. Sorry if you don't like that the DNC changed their rules. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
13.1.7  TᵢG  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @13.1.6    7 months ago
I hate dishonest discussion.

15v3u5.jpg

Seems to be far too prevalent nowadays.

 
 
 
It Is ME
13.1.8  It Is ME  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @13.1.6    7 months ago
You know I really hate it when you keep misrepresenting what he said.

Am I really misrepresenting what YOU thought he said, or what he actually was saying ?

"He didn't buy his way into the debate... he had to make the polls like everyone else."

He spends Millions and Millions of personal monies in commercial time purchases, as the other candidates actually "Pounded the Ground", using donation money for months and months for what they got.

Did the Democrat Party change their own policy and debate rules for ONE person, for "Free" ?

Noooooo....he didn't buy his way into a debate at all. jrSmiley_103_smiley_image.jpg

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
13.1.9  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  It Is ME @13.1.8    7 months ago

$417million so far he has spent.............and the TV and radio ads are really getting old. Especially the ones touting his and Mr. Obama's "relationship". And Steyer, rather unsuccessfully, is doing the same.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
13.1.11  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to    7 months ago
And once he annoys everyone he will be tuned out.

Well they say money can't buy you happiness but in this case, and if what you say comes to fruition, his money will make this Trump voter very happy.

jrSmiley_13_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
13.1.12  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  It Is ME @13.1.8    7 months ago
He spends Millions and Millions of personal monies in commercial time purchases, as the other candidates actually "Pounded the Ground", using donation money for months and months for what they got.

Bloomberg has been to many states already, so I am not sure what you are talking about.

 
 
 
dennis smith
13.1.13  dennis smith  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @13.1.2    7 months ago

Almost every article in the media has something taken out of context in it. NT is no different.

 
 
 
It Is ME
13.1.14  It Is ME  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @13.1.12    7 months ago
Bloomberg has been to many states already, so I am not sure what you are talking about.

TV time of those ….. "Town Halls" jrSmiley_99_smiley_image.jpg ….. seems to be "Lacking" !

 
 
 
Ender
14  Ender    7 months ago

Amazing.

Some will take what he says out of context and all scream he is out of touch and an elitist. Worthy of condemnation.

Yet anything donald does or says is overlooked as him just telling the truth.

The outright hypocrisy is blinding.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
14.1  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Ender @14    7 months ago

The outright hypocrisy is blinding.

i see

.

this also

 
 
 
It Is ME
14.2  It Is ME  replied to  Ender @14    7 months ago
Some will take what he says out of context

What was THE ….. "Context" ….. he was going for ?

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
14.2.1  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  It Is ME @14.2    7 months ago

Watch the video. Here to post 8 and start at around 40:00 on the video. Then you can get the context. 

 
 
 
It Is ME
14.2.2  It Is ME  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @14.2.1    7 months ago
Watch the video. Here to post 8 and start at around 40:00 on the video. Then you can get the context. 

See comment 13.1.3  It Is ME !

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
15  Just Jim NC TttH    7 months ago

384

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
15.1  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @15    7 months ago

Nice quote.

And as I have shown, it has nothing to do with this topic. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
15.1.1  Vic Eldred  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @15.1    7 months ago

You've dumped Biden for Bloomberg!  Biden is left with a "Dear Joe" letter. He was your guy once!

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
15.1.2  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Vic Eldred @15.1.1    7 months ago

Vic,

First of all, I am not sure why you care about who I support. I did and do like Biden. I happen to also like Bloomberg and Klobuchar, but I prefer Bloomberg. I like what he did for the city when I lived there. 

But here is something that everyone is missing with most of the indies here. We are looking for a sensible centrist. That is why no one is going with Bernie... 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
15.1.4  Vic Eldred  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @15.1.2    7 months ago
But here is something that everyone is missing with most of the indies here.

First of all an independent wouldn't hate the President. Might not vote for him, but wouldn't go nuts denouncing somebody that promotes Peace & Prosperity!


We are looking for a sensible centrist.

You are looking for anybody capable of beating Trump. So far the Messiah has not appeared!

 
 
 
MUVA
15.1.5  MUVA  replied to  Vic Eldred @15.1.4    7 months ago

Bloomberg is the right type of Racist the rest are leftist light.

 
 
 
MAGA
15.1.6  MAGA  replied to  Vic Eldred @15.1.4    7 months ago

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Perrie Halpern R.A.
15.1.7  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  MUVA @15.1.5    7 months ago

MUVA,

I keep reminding you that you can't talk about racist and still vote for Trump. 

 
 
 
katrix
15.1.8  katrix  replied to  Vic Eldred @15.1.4    7 months ago
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Vic Eldred
15.1.9  Vic Eldred  replied to  MUVA @15.1.5    7 months ago
Bloomberg is the right type of Racist the rest are leftist light.
  • That's the part of this I enjoy most: 

    Bloomberg has to grovel and apologize.

    Dems call him a racist!

    Dems vote for him.

    Trump wins!
 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
15.1.10  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Vic Eldred @15.1.9    7 months ago

Don't count your chickens before they hatch. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
15.1.11  Vic Eldred  replied to  katrix @15.1.8    7 months ago
I've despised Trump since long before he became President, because he's always been an egomaniac, a cheat, a liar, and a  disgusting excuse for a human being.

That's a lot of animosity for one woman!


As an independent, I don't let partisan bullshit convince me that he's somehow now worthy of respect because of the letter beside his name - unlike his supporters, who (presumably) used to actually care about the character of their President and used to think that Congress and the DOJ worked for us, not as the President's personal servants.

Policy trumps character!  You want to give up prosperity and personal safety for some feel good persona? Not me!

 
 
 
TᵢG
15.1.12  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @15.1.4    7 months ago
First of all an independent wouldn't hate the President.

If you mean hate the person then that would be emotional rather than political; it would not have anything to do with political independence.   If you mean hate having that person as PotUS, then of course political independents can reasonably do that based on political reasoning.

I missed where Perrie stated that she hated Trump;  does not seem like something she would state.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
15.1.13  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  TᵢG @15.1.12    7 months ago

Tig,

You missed it because I never said it.

If you mean hate having that person as PotUS, then of course independents can reasonably do that.

And there you have it. 

 
 
 
katrix
15.1.14  katrix  replied to  Vic Eldred @15.1.11    7 months ago

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Vic Eldred
15.1.15  Vic Eldred  replied to  TᵢG @15.1.12    7 months ago
If you mean hate the person then that would be emotional rather than political;

Thanks Tig. Actually, it can be both. 

it would not have anything to do with political independence.

Correct. A person who hated the President is unlikely to be an independent.


I missed where Perrie stated that she hated Trump

Perrie has never said that. Nor has anyone else, that includes Nancy Pelosi, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters and Andrew Weissmann. I think you catch my drift.

 
 
 
MAGA
15.1.16  MAGA  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @15.1.7    7 months ago

Yes we can!

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
15.1.17  Vic Eldred  replied to  katrix @15.1.14    7 months ago
I had plenty of prosperity and personal safety under Obama.

I have no reason to doubt that. My personal finances were basically the same under both of our controversial Presidents. That doesn't mean that others weren't affected by the policies of either man. Did you see what happened to the 401k's of many after the financial crisis of 2008?  Policies matter!


These are terrible qualities in a president. And instead of draining the swamp, he's made it far worse.

I differ 180 degrees with that opinion. That's why we have elections and as Hillary Clinton said - we must respect the results of elections!


Yeah, well, I'm not a fan of scum sucking sociopaths who constantly cheat others and care only about their egos. Never have been. I wasn't when he was a D and I'm not now that he is an R. He deserves every bit of my animosity, and then some.

You sound like your'e getting hot under the Pearls.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
15.1.18  Vic Eldred  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @15.1.10    7 months ago

Barring an October surprise, it is what it is!

 
 
 
katrix
15.1.19  katrix  replied to  Vic Eldred @15.1.17    7 months ago
Did you see what happened to the 401k's of many after the financial crisis of 2008?  Policies matter!

Oh, mine took a huge hit, although it recovered very nicely.

No single President's policies caused that financial crisis. Sure, Clinton/Bush/Obama all played a role - as did the banks, the consumers, and many others. Hell, there isn't even agreement on whether Glass Steagal was a bad thing that made the banks too big to fail, or a good thing that kept banks from taking too many risks.

Policies do matter, and Trump's policy is all for Trump and Trump for none. I don't like that policy.

 
 
 
katrix
15.1.20  katrix  replied to  Vic Eldred @15.1.17    7 months ago

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Sparty On
15.1.21  seeder  Sparty On  replied to  katrix @15.1.20    7 months ago
I seriously doubt Trump will respect the result of the upcoming election if he loses. He has shown zero respect for elections to date.

Well if that does happen, at least we've got the last three plus years of how to disrespect a valid election to fashion a response with.

So ..... that will be helpful if that happens i suppose ....

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
15.1.22  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Vic Eldred @15.1.17    7 months ago

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Vic Eldred
15.1.23  Vic Eldred  replied to  katrix @15.1.20    7 months ago

I don't know what Trump would do, but I know what the hate filled left has done - they haven't accepted the results of the 2016 election and that includes Hillary Clinton!

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
15.1.24  Vic Eldred  replied to  igknorantzrulz @15.1.22    7 months ago
keep your weird fantasies confidential

You just concern yourself with fulfilling your bet obligations. We have only 10 months to go!

 
 
 
Raven Wing
15.1.25  Raven Wing  replied to  katrix @15.1.20    7 months ago
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Dean Moriarty
15.1.26  Dean Moriarty  replied to  Raven Wing @15.1.25    7 months ago

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Perrie Halpern R.A.
15.1.27  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Vic Eldred @15.1.15    7 months ago

Vic,

I am not shy. If I hated Trump I would say it. I have no respect for the man's mouth, and how it makes his position as president look. 

And I find it insulting to be compared to career politicians. So far, two questionable comments about me. Don't make this personal, since I am not making this personal.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
15.1.28  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Vic Eldred @15.1.18    7 months ago

I doubt you will get that lucky again. All the dirt will come out now.

 
 
 
MUVA
15.1.29  MUVA  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @15.1.7    7 months ago

No I’ll remind you I’m black and I’ll call a racist a racist when ever I want.

 
 
 
Split Personality
15.1.30  Split Personality  replied to  MUVA @15.1.5    7 months ago

I guess that makes trump an ok racist in your professional opinon, correct?

 
 
 
KDMichigan
15.1.31  KDMichigan  replied to  Raven Wing @15.1.25    7 months ago
He will refuse to leave the WH if he loses, at any time.

Hyperbole.

declaring the election rigged or whatever 

No I seriously doubt that he will take Hillaryious Hillary's and the lefts route. No one could look anymore foolish than that.

 to declare a dictatorship, which is what Trump would try to do.

He will? Wow, that is quite the left-wing conspiracy there, Do you drink a lot of Kool-ade?

History will not treat him kindly as it is

I would suspect that it will treat him better than obama.

I would ask if you think democrats will have another triggered snowflake meltdown if Trumps wins again, but it seems you have it all figured out.

 
 
 
MUVA
15.1.32  MUVA  replied to  Split Personality @15.1.30    7 months ago

I commented on the littlest racist Mikey, your post has nothing to do with mine and your personal attack via the internet and not face to face is noted.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
15.1.33  JohnRussell  replied to  MUVA @15.1.32    7 months ago

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Split Personality
15.1.34  Split Personality  replied to  MUVA @15.1.32    7 months ago

Where is your hot and bother over Trump ( and his father ) pleading no contest to refusing to rent to people of color for decades and violating those agreements repeatedly? His remarks about not wanting black accountants counting his casino monies, but he wanted short guys with yarmulkes instead? How about the $200,000 fine for removing all AA card dealers from the casino floor for a particular high roller?

The first-person account of at least one black Trump casino employee in Atlantic City suggests the racist practices were consistent with Trump’s personal behavior toward black workers.

“When Donald and Ivana came to the casino, the bosses would order all the black people off the floor,” Kip Brown, a former employee at Trump’s Castle, told the New Yorker for a September article . “It was the eighties, I was a teen-ager, but I remember it: they put us all in the back.”

Trump disparaged his black casino employees as “lazy” in vividly bigoted terms, according to a 1991 book by John O’Donnell , a former president of Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino.

“And isn’t it funny. I’ve got black accountants at Trump Castle and Trump Plaza. Black guys counting my money! I hate it,” O’Donnell recalled Trump saying. “The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day.”

“I think the guy is lazy,” Trump said of a black employee, according to O’Donnell. “And it’s probably not his fault because laziness is a trait in blacks. It really is, I believe that. It’s not anything they can control.”

Trump has also faced charges of reneging on commitments to hire black people. In 1996, 20 African Americans in Indiana  sued Trump  for failing to honor a promise to hire mostly minority workers for a riverboat casino on Lake Michigan.

www.huffpost.com/entry/donald-trump-racist-examples_n_56d47177e4b03260bf777e83

Trump has attacked Americans of Mexican heritage, a non white Muslim Gold Star family, believes in the birther movement and retweeted this gem

  • "Blacks killed by whites -- 2%"

  • "Blacks killed by police -- 1%"

  • "Whites killed by police -- 3%"

  • "Whites killed by whites -- 16%"

  • "Whites killed by blacks -- 81%"

  • "Blacks killed by blacks -- 97%’

Oh, wait, you and your family's company are having the best year ever economically, so you support the current POTUS and forgive him his racist indecencies but your 1st Amendment privileges allow you to be silent on his racism but call out others for their racist remarks, GOT IT.

There's probably an ancient Greek word for that. jrSmiley_32_smiley_image.gif

My comment and others are merely pointing out the fact that you have made a choice between what you

cannot deny are two white people with a history of making what can only be construed as stupid comments made over 70 plus years about people based on race. 

For whatever reason, you give Trump a major pass while making stupid remarks about Bloomberg's height

and declaring you own blackness. 

That is your very public position on this website and doesn't ave a thing to do with the internet or being face to face.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
15.1.35  Vic Eldred  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @15.1.27    7 months ago
I have no respect for the man's mouth, and how it makes his position as president look. 

So when you compare the things Trump has said with the things Bloomberg once said, what do you come up with?


And I find it insulting to be compared to career politicians.

When did I do that?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
15.1.36  Vic Eldred  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @15.1.28    7 months ago
I doubt you will get that lucky again.

Luck?  How so?

 
 
 
MUVA
15.1.37  MUVA  replied to  Split Personality @15.1.34    7 months ago

My comment  was on tiny racist Bloomberg and has nothing to do with Trump. I waiting for little Mike to try to throw me against a wall.  

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
17  Perrie Halpern R.A.    7 months ago
First of all an independent wouldn't hate the President. Might not vote for him, but wouldn't go nuts denouncing somebody that promotes Peace & Prosperity!

Did I say that? I said they were looking for a centrist.

You are looking for anybody capable of beating Trump. So far the Messiah has not appeared!

Well, no one looks for a loser to vote for Vic. Let's be real. But if I was interested in just anyone, I would say I would vote for ANY dem, and I never said that did I? As for Messiah, I don't think he will be making an appearance in any party. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
17.1  Vic Eldred  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @17    7 months ago
Well, no one looks for a loser to vote for Vic. Let's be real.

You know, I remember when Republicans forced themselves to vote for the candidate they tought could win a general election, while democrats simply voted for the one they fell in love with.  Times have really changed!

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
17.1.1  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Vic Eldred @17.1    7 months ago

Vic,

I actually do really like Bloomberg. He is my favorite so far, so no things haven't changed or I would be saying something different. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
17.1.2  Vic Eldred  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @17.1.1    7 months ago
I actually do really like Bloomberg.

Ok, stick with him then - No Dear John letter

Stand by your man!

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
17.1.3  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Vic Eldred @17.1.2    7 months ago
Stand by your man!

Was that a Hillary reference, Vic? If so, kind of low.

And may I remind you, you are standing by your man, too. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
17.1.4  Vic Eldred  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @17.1.3    7 months ago
Was that a Hillary reference, Vic?

No, that was a general critique, which had nothing to do with you personally.


And may I remind you, you are standing by your man, too. 

Like Iron!  And I always stood by my women too!

 
 
 
Kathleen
18  Kathleen    7 months ago

Sounds to me that it’s going to be the same as the last election. Not to many good choices. Maybe I will do a write in like I did last time. Better yet, just stay home. I am hating politics more and more. You just don’t know who to trust. 

 
 
 
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18.2.3  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Kathleen @18.2.2    7 months ago

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Dismayed Patriot
18.2.4  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Kathleen @18.2.2    7 months ago
Don’t you think other politicians lie?

I think to be a politician you have to be compromised. A politician is trying to be all things to all people. So yes, I think most politicians have lied in their careers. However, I think there are a lot of politicians who do believe in helping people and that we are a better, stronger nation with a government made up of the people, by the people, for the people. The other choices are essentially anarchy, communism or dictatorships. I'd rather have a democracy with politicians who occasionally tell lies or distort truth to their benefit than any of the other choices.

However, up till now the American people have held politicians to some account when they lie. The media points it out and we all get to weigh that politicians record and vote them out of office if they continue to lie. In this new era of Trump protectionism, he lies daily and is never held to account because some sad partisan have drawn battle lines and believe their anointed General can lie with impunity. Hell, they essentially nodded their heads when Trump said "I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn't lose voters,". That is new in American politics, something we truly have not seen before. So claiming this is somehow the new normal for politicians and we should just put them all in the same disgusting basket along with Trump is basically throwing up our hands and saying "Well damn it, Democracy is just too hard so lets let the Foxes run the hen house. They're all corrupt anyway, so there's nothing we can do.".

If I have any agenda, its merely desiring a stable government with a President who isn't a complete embarrassment who literally said he grabs women "by the pussy" and been accused of doing just that by over two dozen women. Is that really too much to ask these days? To ask for a President who doesn't lie more often than they tell the truth? To ask others to join in rejecting such politicians so we can regain some semblance of sanity in this grand experiment in governance called America?

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
18.2.5  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @18.2.4    7 months ago

i don't think it's too much to ask,

but,

you weren't asking me.

nicely stated irregardless

 
 
 
Sparty On
18.3  seeder  Sparty On  replied to  Kathleen @18    7 months ago

Don't go by what you see and read here.   For the most part you getting extremist views on both sides.   Get out in your community, talk to people about what they think.   You will get a much different read than you get here.

 
 
 
Kathleen
18.3.1  Kathleen  replied to  Sparty On @18.3    7 months ago

That’s the biggest problem I have. I like to vote on the issues. I just don’t see anyone on here doing this. It’s either all on one side at any cost. I dislike the extremism on both sides. When I see most of these comments on here, I rarely take them seriously. As a matter of fact, I don’t take politics seriously anymore.  It’s all a game and I think we all fall into it.

 
 
 
Sparty On
18.3.2  seeder  Sparty On  replied to  Kathleen @18.3.1    7 months ago

Yup, i hear ya.

 
 
 
Kathleen
18.3.3  Kathleen  replied to  Sparty On @18.3    7 months ago

You are right though, I should not go by what I see on here. I do see a much more moderate approach with others that I talk to in person.

 
 
 
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18.3.4  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Kathleen @18.3.1    7 months ago

I hear ya too. 

 
 
 
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Kathleen
18.4.3  Kathleen  replied to  katrix @18.4.2    7 months ago

I think Sparty hit the nail on the head.  Best to see more views. You are right, not too many good choices. Thanks for answering the question anyway.

 
 
 
Raven Wing
18.4.4  Raven Wing  replied to  katrix @18.4.2    7 months ago
I can still honestly say that Trump is worse by far.

Totally agree. By far the worst President of our country.

 
 
 
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18.4.6  Kathleen  replied to  JohnRussell @18.4.5    7 months ago

Sorry John, I don’t have that blind hatred. Frankly, I am glad.

 
 
 
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18.4.9  seeder  Sparty On  replied to  JohnRussell @18.4.8    7 months ago

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19  seeder  Sparty On    7 months ago

I find it interesting, that Newsweek, known to have a pretty damn extreme left-wing bias, allegedly (alleged by some folks here in this discussion) offer a disinformational style hit piece against Bloomberg.   I mean what is the purpose?   Is this the DNC and Dem swamp trying to torpedo another non-mainstream Dem POTUS candidate?   Inquiring mind would like to know.

That said I'm not as as convinced as some others are here that he didn't mean exactly what he said.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
20  Perrie Halpern R.A.    7 months ago
I find it interesting, that Newsweek, known to have a pretty damn extreme left-wing bias, allegedly (alleged by some folks here in this discussion) offer a disinformational style hit piece against Bloomberg. 

I am not. He is not what they wanted. He is right to what they want. This is probably the one thing he has in common with Trump. Neither the left or the right want him, just like how the RNC didn't want Trump either. 

That said I'm not as as convinced as some others are here that he didn't mean exactly what he said.

Then you didn't watch the whole video, and I truly find that frustrating. Here is the transcript:

Ewen Hollingsworth: Ewen Hollingsworth, doing my MBA here. Mr. Bloomberg, Trump got in on a great sense of inequality, not just in the United States but across the world. There’s been a divide, and there’s an increasing divide, between the haves and the have-nots. What do you think business leaders — what’s their responsibility to addressing that divide and uniting, perhaps, the central America [read: ‘Middle America’] and the coasts?

Mike Bloomberg: Well, number one, I question whether you’re right. We have, in the last four decades, cut poverty in half in the world, if you measure poverty by people who go to bed without a roof over their head, a meal in their stomach and [who] can’t read. So society is making some progress. Life expectancy is going up, we’re [inaudible] cure more diseases, and we’re about to eradicate — thanks to [Bill] Gates and a little bit of money from us — eradicate polio. So we’re doing some things to help.

Number two, the bottom 20% is a lot better off than the bottom 20% in the past. The bottom 20% in America — the bottom 20% in New York City, 80% have cars, 30% have two cars, virtually everybody has a cellphone, they all have 72-inch TV screens and sort of thing. So there is some of this, so you’ve got to be careful in this. And, incidentally, before we address the basic issue, if you measure poverty by the top 1% versus the bottom 20%, you get very different numbers than if you measure it by the two to 20% down from the top here, and the bottom 20%. Because of very low interest rates, you have inflated values of fixed assets, which are almost always owned by the very wealthy, and so, they’ve shot up — maybe it’s the top 5% — but if you adjusted for that, it’s not as disparate as you would think. So that’s what the real world is.

We have a problem of income inequality, nevertheless. I would argue what’s more important is we have educational inequality. There was a story on the front page of the FT [Financial Times] today, I think it was, that said there’s nobody from the poor districts of London that comes to this great school, one of the great universities of the whole world, and zero from poor neighborhoods, at least I assume the statistics are right and they didn’t just cherry-pick one neighborhood. So that is more important than net worth because that says what the future is going to be for the young people.

Having said all of that, you can fix the inequality. You take money from the rich and you give it to the poor. We’ve always done that, we have a tax system, generally, around the world, that is graduated at the top end, progressive tax system, takes more money from the rich per capita and redistributes it. Tuition in a university, in America certainly, is a Robin Hood plan. You want — the kids are always on the wrong side of that, they always want lower tuition, no you don’t, you want to raise tuition in the university, as high as you can, so the wealthy will contribute more money, and then use the extra money to subsidize those kids who have no money. If you reduce the amount of money you take in from the rich, it’s the poor that get hurt, not helped. So some of these things are a little bit counterintuitive. But you take the money from the rich, you give it to the poor, you do it for altruistic reasons, you do it because you don’t want the poor on your doorstep and there are a variety of things.

But I think what you’ve got to understand is the people who are getting the subsidy want the dignity of a job. They want the dignity of being responsible for their family and being able to take care of it. And that’s the conundrum we’re going to have here because technology is reducing the ability to give them the jobs. We just — more and more, if you think about it, the agrarian society lasted 3,000 years, and we could teach processes. I could teach anybody — even people in this room, no offense intended — to be a farmer. It’s a [process]. You dig a hole, you put a seed in, you put dirt on top, add water, up comes the corn. You could learn that. Then you have 300 years of the industrial society. You put the piece of metal on the lathe, you turn the crank in the direction of the arrow and you can have a job. And we created a lot of jobs. [At] one point, 98% of the world worked in agriculture, today it’s 2%, in the United States. 

Now comes the information economy. And the information economy is fundamentally different because it’s built around replacing people with technology, and the skill sets that you have to learn are how to think and analyze. And that is a whole degree level different. You have to have a different skill set, you have to have a lot more gray matter. It’s not clear that teachers can teach or the students can learn. So the challenge for society is to find jobs for these people — who we can take care of giving them a roof over their head and a meal in their stomach, and a cellphone and a car and that sort of thing. But the thing that’s the most important, that will stop them from setting up the guillotines some day, is the dignity of a job. And nobody’s yet come up with a simple solution, in this day and age, to how we create jobs, particularly for people already out of school.

I can tell you how to fix the school system so that the kids come out with better skills, more ability to appreciate life and to work collaboratively and collectively and read the instruction manual and follow orders. But it’s very hard to figure out where the jobs they’re going to get will come from, and for those that are already out in the work force, to get them back into the system and teach them new skill sets, is almost impossible. It’s very very hard to do and nobody’s really shown they could it. There’s individual cases where you can retrain them, I don’t want to overstate it. But the coal miner I talked about in West Virginia is not going to move, and his family, out to California where the solar jobs are, and even if he got there he’s not going to get those jobs. Nobody’s going to hire an older person. It’s fascinating to me — older people are always willing to hire younger people; younger people are not willing to hire older people. I think it’s just they’re afraid of older people that may have skill sets they don’t have, and you know, they make fun of them, they say they’re not able to change and think — none of those things are true, there are plenty of older people who are really smart and really can do new things if you gave them the opportunity. But there’s a discrimination from young managers to hire older people. It’s reasonably well documented I think, and certainly observable.

So your basic premise is, it’s not that bad, it’s better than it was before, but it’s a big problem and the problem is not the redistribution of wealth, it is the job where you’re going every day. And you say ‘What’s business’s responsibility?’ It’s not business’s job. Business’s job is to take the investors’ money and to maximize the money by creating products that the public wants and are willing to pay for. And you can’t say to them they should go and create jobs deliberately. You can have a tax policy that encourages that, and that’s one of the things you should do, and then use the collective wisdom of all of the heads of companies, to create small pockets, and it adds up to a lot of jobs.

That’s what I would do right away. Your taxes are lower the more people you hire, and higher the fewer people you hire. And let capitalism work, because government’s not going to be able to solve the problem directly. But short of that, who’s going to create the jobs? Well if it’s not industry, there’s only one group left to do it. And so the next time you want more efficient government, think twice. I’m not so sure you do want more efficient government. Back in the ’30s, we created an inefficient government. We put people to work building infrastructure we needed. They weren’t maybe the — you could have had other people do it more efficiently but we wanted to create jobs and we did, and it took us — World War II was really what took us out of the Depression, but it got us through the Depression. And maybe that is the answer, that we’re going to say ‘government’s got to create no-show jobs,’ or jobs that you have to show but that aren’t needed. We can pass a law that says you’ve got to move all the paper from the left to the right side of the building every day, and back again. Okay. And then the government are going to hire people to do it. But it’s better than people being out on the streets, desperate for a job, not being able to find it, [destabilizing] society.”

The man went out of his way not to be offensive by preferencing his comment with "no offense intended" to something that was not applicable to modern-day farmers but could be taken out of context. Holy witch hunt. Thank goodness that there are still some publications out there that still print the truth.

 
 
 
Sparty On
20.1  seeder  Sparty On  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @20    7 months ago
I am not. He is not what they wanted. He is right to what they want. This is probably the one thing he has in common with Trump. Neither the left or the right want him, just like how the RNC didn't want Trump either. 

You are not what?   Interesting?   jrSmiley_91_smiley_image.gif

Well, you've heard the saying that the first person to say "no offense intended" clearly does mean to offend.   An acid test for this would be if you would accept this comment without offense if Trump had said it.   I highly doubt you would have and i know for sure that most of the mass media would be jumping on it with both feet a lot harder than they are with Bloomberg.

Think what you want, as will i.   It all boils down to what i've already told you couple times now.   You clearly like Bloomberg and i clearly don't.   So you give him the benefit of the doubt and i don't.   Nothing complicated about that.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
20.1.1  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Sparty On @20.1    7 months ago
You are not what?   Interesting?   jrSmiley_91_smiley_image.gif

You know for a guy who complains to me about tone, this comment was not only unnecessary but nasty. And ironically, throwing in a giggling emoji doesn't mean the comment is any less insulting... kind of like what you said about the comment " no offense". 

 
 
 
Sparty On
20.1.2  seeder  Sparty On  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @20.1.1    7 months ago

You are taking this entirely too personal.   That comment was intended to be funny .... there was absolutely no malice intended with that comment or emoji.   And its also nice to see that you are keeping our private discussions, private ..... classy!

I'm not sure what your issue is with people who see Bloomberg differently than you do but you clearly have a serious issue with it.   And i don't mean that in a good way.

I think it is best for you and i disengage on this topic.   Next step for me is impasse and i prefer to not use that.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
20.1.3  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Sparty On @20.1.2    7 months ago
You are taking this entirely too personal.   That comment was intended to be funny ....

I didn't find it funny. I don't see how it could be taken as anything but personal.

 And its also nice to see that you are keeping our private discussions, private ..... classy!

You have complained about this publicly, or I would never have brought it up, so please do not accuse me of an impropriety. It doesn't happen

I'm not sure what your issue is with people who see Bloomberg differently than you do but you clearly have a serious issue with it.   And i don't mean that in a good way.

Ummmm. no. It's a free world. You can like and vote for whoever you like. My issue is complaining about Bloomberg while doing the same thing. And I don't mean that in a good way either. 

I agree, I think we should disengage. 

 
 
 
Raven Wing
20.1.4  Raven Wing  replied to  Sparty On @20.1    7 months ago
You are not what?   Interesting?  

And you think YOU are? However, not everyone agrees with you.

 
 
 
Sparty On
20.1.5  seeder  Sparty On  replied to  Raven Wing @20.1.4    7 months ago

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Vic Eldred
20.2  Vic Eldred  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @20    7 months ago

I'm reading the same thing you are. Even with the full context it looks to me like there is a whole lot of people that Michael Bloomberg doesn't like.

BUT, As I always say (And I am consistent), as long as he makes for a good president, nobody should care about his character!!!

 
 
 
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24  Kathleen    7 months ago

I would like to see him in a debate, so I can see how he answers some important issues. Hopefully they will ask questions that can improve out nation instead of petty things that they like to bring up that are meaningless. 

 
 
 
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Sparty On
27  seeder  Sparty On    7 months ago

Okay, i would prefer to not go through this article with a fine tooth comb so lets try to keep this on topic.   I've already chopped through a part of it and don't really enjoy it, which is one of the reasons i don't post many articles.

The topic is Mike Bloomberg in case anyone was wondering.

 
 
 
CB
27.1  CB   replied to  Sparty On @27    7 months ago
The topic is Mike Bloomberg in case anyone was wondering.

My Obama video magnified the comments made by Bloomberg. Maybe you did not bother to view the video and simply saw Obama as a "new shiny object" joining your article, Had you taken interest you would have noticed Obama was talking and using the same venacular as Bloomberg—which was the point of my posting it.

There was the "connective tissue" to this Bloomberg article.

I was even thinking of adding an Andrew Yang video because he is warning the nation as a whole about automation pulling all kinds of jobs away from people (including farmers) and retraining in new industries being the future.

 
 
 
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