Trump defends huge cuts to the CDC's budget by saying the government can hire more doctors 'when we need them' during crises

  
Via:  tessylo  •  one month ago  •  93 comments

By:   (Joseph Zeballos-Roig) Business InsiderFebruary 27, 2020,

Trump defends huge cuts to the CDC's budget by saying the government can hire more doctors 'when we need them' during crises

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Trump defends huge cuts to the CDC's budget by saying the government can hire more doctors 'when we need them' during crises





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Business Insider February 27, 2020, 10:42 AM EST









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  • President Trump defended his huge CDC budget cuts during a press conference on the federal government's response to the coronavirus.



  • "I'm a businessperson. I don't like having thousands of people around when you don't need them," Trump said. "When we need them, we can get them back very quickly."



  • Experts said restoring funding to a government agency could be a cumbersome process, which requires an act from Congress that needs to be signed into law.



  • The White House has   spent two years   cutting the CDC's budget.



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President Donald Trump defended his huge budget cuts to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention   during   a Wednesday press conference on the federal government's response to the coronavirus.

He said it was easy to bolster the public-health agency and cited his business approach toward running the federal government.

"I'm a businessperson. I don't like having thousands of people around when you don't need them," Trump said. "When we need them, we can get them back very quickly."

The president said some of the experts targeted by the cuts "hadn't been used for many years" and that additional federal money and new medical staffers could be obtained swiftly since "we know all the good people."

The remarks came as CDC experts warned that the virus' spread in the US was "inevitable" and urged Americans to prepare. But the Trump administration   has spent the past two years   cutting critical positions and gutting programs, which health experts said weakened the federal government's ability to manage a health crisis.

In 2018, the White House eliminated a position on the National Security Council tasked with coordinating a global pandemic response. The CDC that same year also axed 80% of its efforts to combat disease outbreaks overseas because its funds were depleted.

In its latest budget proposal, the Trump administration proposed a 16% cut to CDC funding — even as Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar   seeks emergency spending  from lawmakers to combat the coronavirus.

It has spread to at least 47 countries so far after originating in China.   Europe has been hit particularly hard by the coronavirus . The US has  60 confirmed cases   so far, though the vast majority of them came from infections overseas.

Jen Kates, the director of the Global Health and HIV Policy Program at the Kaiser Family Foundation, said in an email to Business Insider that the latest round of proposed budget cuts "would certainly hamper the work of the agency."

She said CDC has "already been grappling with tight resources for addressing the nation's public health, as well as domestic and global health security threats."

"To date, such funding has been episodic, typically coming only after outbreaks hit a tipping point and rarely being enough to shore up resources in the long run," Kates said.

Other experts elaborated on the cumbersome process to shore up a government agency that's been battered by rounds of budget cuts.

Don Moynihan, a public-management professor at Georgetown University,   said in a tweet   that "once you have gutted institutional capacity you cannot, in fact, quickly restore it."

Appropriating federal money to the CDC would require a bill from Congress that passes both chambers and gets Trump's signature, Bobby Kogan, the chief mathematician for the Senate Budget Committee, said.

"In addition to requiring a new law to be passed to hire people, you have to actually, you know, spend the time to hire people," Kogan   said in a tweet .

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Tessylo
1  seeder  Tessylo    one month ago

"I'm a businessperson. I don't like having thousands of people around when you don't need them," Trump said. "When we need them, we can get them back very quickly."

This isn't a business you fucking moron.  

That's the best way to handle a potential crisis, don't.

Also, you're a failed businessman, 'president', and human being.  

 
 
 
JohnRussell
1.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Tessylo @1    one month ago

He is a known liar, crook, bigot, moron, and cheat.  This should be disqualifying for him to hold high office. 

 
 
 
WallyW
1.1.1  WallyW  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1    one month ago

Yawn....

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1stwarrior
1.1.2  1stwarrior  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1    one month ago

256

 
 
 
zuksam
1.2  zuksam  replied to  Tessylo @1    one month ago

I agree with Trump. If there were an emergency we could Draft Doctors and Nurses to meet any challenge. There's no need to have a huge standing army of doctors and nurses when they're not needed. During Wars we've drafted soldiers, we've taken control over our entire economy to focus production including health care on the war effort so why couldn't we do it again if the need arose.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
1.2.1  Trout Giggles  replied to  zuksam @1.2    one month ago

You can't draft people! You have to ask for volunteers. Now I'm not saying that our medical professionals won't step up but I'm just sayin'

 
 
 
zuksam
1.2.2  zuksam  replied to  Trout Giggles @1.2.1    one month ago
You can't draft people

I can't but the Government can, they drafted a lot of doctors for WW2 so what's to stop them from doing the same thing in a health emergency?

 
 
 
Larry Hampton
1.2.3  Larry Hampton  replied to  zuksam @1.2    one month ago

It's called thoughtful preparation. As well, if you think that the government can just pull medical professionals outta their ass, then you must not be aware of the staffing crisis already facing our nations medical fields.

 
 
 
zuksam
1.2.4  zuksam  replied to  Larry Hampton @1.2.3    one month ago

There are currently 15,000 people who work for the CDC. Isn't that enough for thoughtful preparation ?

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
1.2.5  Trout Giggles  replied to  zuksam @1.2.2    one month ago

It would take an act of Congress to institute a draft. You know how well they get along....

Back in WWII, all kinds of men were drafted because the gov't needed warm bodies

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
1.2.6  Trout Giggles  replied to  zuksam @1.2.4    one month ago

They're not all doctors, are they?

 
 
 
zuksam
1.2.7  zuksam  replied to  Trout Giggles @1.2.6    one month ago

80% of the people who work for the CDC have undergraduate degrees. About half of the people who are employed by the CDC have higher level degrees. For example, they might have PhDs, master’s degrees, and MDs.

 
 
 
zuksam
1.2.8  zuksam  replied to  Trout Giggles @1.2.5    one month ago
t would take an act of Congress to institute a draft. You know how well they get along....

No matter how partisan the leadership might be I doubt they could stop their party members from voting across party lines if there were an emergency situation. Most politicians want to be reelected.

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.2.9  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  zuksam @1.2.2    one month ago

President Obama put something in place for 47 countries regarding future pandemics and tRump gutted all but 10.  Something that should be in place, not scrambling for in the future when there is an actual emergency/pandemic.

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Dulay
1.2.10  Dulay  replied to  zuksam @1.2    one month ago
I agree with Trump.

Of course you do. 

If there were an emergency we could Draft Doctors and Nurses to meet any challenge. There's no need to have a huge standing army of doctors and nurses when they're not needed. During Wars we've drafted soldiers, we've taken control over our entire economy to focus production including health care on the war effort so why couldn't we do it again if the need arose.

Well for one thing, there is NO DRAFT in peacetime, hence no authority to draft Doctors and Nurses. 

For another thing, epidemiology is a specialty. A pediatrist, oncologist or optometrist aren't TRAINED to handle the needs of a patients with a highly infectious disease. 

 
 
 
Dulay
1.2.11  Dulay  replied to  zuksam @1.2.4    one month ago
There are currently 15,000 people who work for the CDC. Isn't that enough for thoughtful preparation ?

That was in 2008. After a hiring freeze and 3 years of cuts, how many work there now? 

Oh and BTFW, one of the major health care systems in just Indiana/Illinois employs over 18,000. 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
1.2.12  Trout Giggles  replied to  zuksam @1.2.7    one month ago

Like I asked...they're not all doctors, are they?

 
 
 
1stwarrior
1.2.13  1stwarrior  replied to  Trout Giggles @1.2.1    one month ago

He didn't mention "drafting" people. I think he said what you did - if we need them, we can hire them.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
1.2.14  Trout Giggles  replied to  1stwarrior @1.2.13    one month ago
 
 
 
Tessylo
1.2.15  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  1stwarrior @1.2.13    one month ago

It doesn't work that way 1st.  If tRump hadn't gutted everything Obama put in place regarding pandemic responses and what was already in place, there should already be something in place, not hiring people when it's already an emergency FFS.  

 
 
 
Larry Hampton
1.2.16  Larry Hampton  replied to  Tessylo @1.2.15    one month ago

Not to mention —our country, just like many others, are facing large, sometimes insurmountable staffing shortages. Where are you gonna find doctors\nurses\ technicians etc when there are not enough, anywhere, to be found?

 
 
 
Dulay
1.2.17  Dulay  replied to  1stwarrior @1.2.13    one month ago

Right because there are qualified doctors and nurses all over the country just sitting in their parents basement play video games waiting for the CDC to give them a call. /s

They just had to quarantine 34 RNs in CA because Trump's HHS  being utterly incompetent. How much more of that can our system take? 

 
 
 
Larry Hampton
1.2.18  Larry Hampton  replied to  Dulay @1.2.17    one month ago

256  This is a hallway in a hospital In China shortly after the outbreak. They were lined with bodies. 
that was a couple of weeks before some of the staff started falling...

 
 
 
SteevieGee
1.2.19  SteevieGee  replied to  zuksam @1.2    one month ago

So...  Is this what the freedom loving conservatives are about now?  Forced labor?

 
 
 
CB
1.2.20  CB   replied to  SteevieGee @1.2.19    one month ago

It is all Donald Trump knows apparently. His 'smarts' and experience is in maneuvering others into positions where he can take what he wants from them at a figurative gunpoint. I am not bashing him either. Look at how this man operates. He asks for nothing, without insisting on it repeatedly.

 
 
 
SteevieGee
1.3  SteevieGee  replied to  Tessylo @1    one month ago

I'm not so sure it's that easy to just go out and hire doctors.  I have a hard time just getting laborers.

 
 
 
CB
1.3.1  CB   replied to  SteevieGee @1.3    one month ago

What Donald Trump wants is at least two parts:

  1. Get rid of bureaucratic costs and overheads (hiring/attrition goals); it will magnify in the short-term how much he has achieved in national debt reduction
  2. Rehire and retrain on a need basis; preferably republican and conservative "yes" staff leaders and underlings. Thus, making 'hiring and firing' decisions for the whole of government.

Where is the outrage? Donald Trump and his conservative base is climbing down this nations figurative throat and up through its rectum. If there is going to be outrage this is the moment and year for it!

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
2  Sean Treacy    one month ago

What cuts were made to the cdc budget?

 
 
 
MUVA
3  MUVA    one month ago
 
 
 
JohnRussell
3.1  JohnRussell  replied to  MUVA @3    one month ago

In the article Trump appears to be agreeing that doctors were cut. Why are you disagreeing with your fearless leader?

 
 
 
MUVA
3.1.1  MUVA  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1    one month ago

He didn't cut the budget end of story to say other wise is a lie.

 
 
 
Dulay
3.1.2  Dulay  replied to  MUVA @3.1.1    one month ago

Then why did he say he DID? 

Question: 

Your budgets have consistently called for enormous cuts to the CDC, the NIH, and the WHO. You've talked a lot today about how these professionals are excellent, have been critical and necessary. Does this experience at all give you pause about those consistent cuts?

Trump:

No, because we -- we can get money and we can increase staff. We know all the people. We know all the good people. It's a question I asked the doctors before. Some of the people we cut, they haven't been used for many, many years. And if -- if we have a need, we can get them very quickly. And rather than spending the money -- and I'm a business person -- I don't like having thousands of people around when you don't need them.

When we need them, we can get them back very quickly. For instance, we're bringing some people in tomorrow that are already in this, you know, great government that we have, and very specifically for this. We can build up very, very quickly. And we've already done that. I mean, we really have built up. We have a great staff.

Trump admit to cutting money and staff MUVA. PERIOD, full stop.  

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
3.1.3  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Dulay @3.1.2    one month ago
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Just Jim NC TttH
3.1.4  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.1.3    one month ago

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Sean Treacy
3.2  Sean Treacy  replied to  MUVA @3    one month ago

Putin's work is getting done for him by the spreading of left wing agitprop like this. Sad to see Americans using a health emergency as a chance to lie about the government and spread dissension.

 
 
 
Dulay
3.2.1  Dulay  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.2    one month ago
Sad to see Americans using a health emergency as a chance to lie about the government and spread dissension.

First of all, that isn't being done except by a very small minority on the left. On the right, it's BEEN happening for years. Go review Trump's tweets about Ebola. 

Secondly, Trump has lied about the government and spread dissention from before his inauguration. He is reaping what he sowed. 

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
3.3  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  MUVA @3    one month ago

Thank you!! And I agree with Mr. Trump. Why have people sitting on their hands waiting for their big chance to shine garnering a paycheck (which I am sure isn't very small). I can see health officials and providers WANTING to join the team when it is necessary. Think about and consider the Military Reserves and what they do................JMTC.

 
 
 
Split Personality
3.3.1  Split Personality  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.3    one month ago

Then why have a $740 billion proposed budget for the military??   Bring them all home. Assign them to North and South border wall building and protection, then lay them off when the wall is done.  Kill the research and building of ships and planes.  Get down to the Coast Guard being the only active duty branch.

After all 95% of the military is just sitting around on their hands waiting for the next conflict, right?

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
3.3.2  Trout Giggles  replied to  Split Personality @3.3.1    one month ago
After all 95% of the military is just sitting around on their hands waiting for the next conflict, right?

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1stwarrior
3.3.3  1stwarrior  replied to  Split Personality @3.3.1    one month ago

You really need to start using that "/S" thingy [Deleted]

 
 
 
Tessylo
3.3.4  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  1stwarrior @3.3.3    one month ago

Why?  SP isn't allowed to participate?

 
 
 
Dulay
3.3.5  Dulay  replied to  1stwarrior @3.3.3    one month ago

So suddenly you have a issue with a mod commenting in a seed? You had no issue when there was ichthyo participation. 

 
 
 
Larry Hampton
3.3.6  Larry Hampton  replied to  Dulay @3.3.5    one month ago

256

 
 
 
Split Personality
3.3.7  Split Personality  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.3    one month ago

Wow, imagine the tax savings when Fort Worth ( 345 square miles) closes the majority of it's 42 fire stations and lays off most of it's 1000 employees because only 3.9% of fires in Texas happen in Fort Worth.

We can just issue fire buckets to every household and make everyone a reserve firefighter....

I love the logic you are demonstrating...

/s

 
 
 
Tessylo
4  seeder  Tessylo    one month ago

Did Trump Fire the US Pandemic Response Team?

As a new coronavirus spread in 2020, so did concerns about the United States' preparedness for a potential pandemic.

  • PUBLISHED   26 FEBRUARY 2020
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The Trump administration fired the U.S. pandemic response team in 2018 to cut costs.

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Amid   warnings   from public health officials that a 2020 outbreak of a new coronavirus could soon become a pandemic involving the U.S., alarmed readers asked Snopes to verify a rumor that U.S. President Donald Trump had “fired the entire pandemic response team two years ago and then didn’t replace them.”

The claim came from a series of   tweets   posted by Judd Legum, who runs Popular Information, a newsletter he describes as being about “politics and power.” Legum’s commentary was representative of sharp   criticism   from Democratic legislators (and some Republicans) that the Trump administration had   ill-prepared   the country for a pandemic even as one was looming on the horizon.

Legum outlined a series of cost-cutting decisions made by the Trump administration in preceding years that had gutted the nation’s infectious disease defense infrastructure. The “pandemic response team” firing claim referred to   news   accounts   from Spring 2018 reporting that White House officials tasked with directing a national response to a pandemic had been ousted.

Rear Adm. Timothy Ziemer abruptly departed from his post leading the global health security team on the National Security Council in May 2018 amid a reorganization of the council by then-National Security Advisor John Bolton, and Ziemer’s team was disbanded. Tom Bossert, whom the Washington Post reported “had called for a comprehensive biodefense strategy against pandemics and biological attacks,” had been   fired   one month prior.

It’s thus true that the Trump administration axed the executive branch team responsible for coordinating a response to a pandemic and did not replace it, eliminating Ziemer’s position and reassigning others, although Bolton was the executive at the top of the National Security Council chain of command at the time.

Legum stated  in a follow-up tweet that “Trump also cut funding for the CDC, forcing the CDC to cancel its efforts to help countries prevent infectious-disease threats from becoming epidemics in 39 of 49 countries in 2018. Among the countries abandoned? China.” That information was confirmed by 2018 news  reports  stating that funding for the CDC’s global disease outbreak prevention efforts had been cut by 80%, including funding for the agency’s efforts in China.

On Feb. 24, 2020, the Trump administration requested $2.5 billion to address the coronavirus outbreak, an outlay critics asserted might not have been necessary if the previous program cuts had not taken place. Fortune   reported   of the issue that:

The cuts could be especially problematic as COVID-19 continues to spread. Health officials are now warning the U.S. is unlikely to be spared, even though cases are minimal here so far. “It’s not so much of a question of if this will happen in this country any more but a question of when this will happen and how many people in this country will have severe illness,” Dr. Nancy Messonnier, the director of the National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases, said during a press call [on Feb. 25].

The coronavirus was first detected in Wuhan, China, in the winter of 2019, and cases   spread   around the globe. The U.S. had 57   confirmed cases   as of this writing, while globally,   roughly   80,000 patients had been sickened with the virus and 3,000 had died. As of   yet , no vaccine or pharmaceutical treatment for the new coronavirus. Data from China suggests the coronavirus has a   higher   fatality rate than the seasonal flu, although outcomes depend on factors such as the age and underlying health of the patient.

Readers can find the latest coronavirus information from the CDC   here .

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
4.1  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Tessylo @4    one month ago

Nice "contribution". Fact remains, he did NOT cut the budget which is what your seed is about. Way to switch it up and misdirect. Your post contributes NOTHING to your original posit of budget and your fact check was for  "fired the U.S. pandemic response team in 2018 to cut costs.".

 
 
 
Split Personality
4.1.1  Split Personality  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @4.1    one month ago

The current budget for 2021 does include 16% cut to the CDC, but it's only  a proposal.

Previous budget cuts were ignored by Congress but Trump did eliminate Zeimer's position and team.

Trump 2021 proposes cutting $58 million for fighting AIDS, $ 50 million of would go back to the CDC for another 'global health security' project.

 
 
 
Tessylo
4.1.2  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @4.1    one month ago

Sudden Departure Of White House Global Health Security Head Has Experts Worried
Rear Adm. Tim Ziemer is among the departures since John Bolton became head of the National Security Council.
 
By Lauren Weber
 

Rear Adm. Tim Ziemer, the head of global health security on the White House’s National Security Council, left the Trump administration on Tuesday. The news was announced one day after an Ebola outbreak was declared in the Democratic Republic of the Congo.
The departure comes amid a reshuffling of the NSC under newly named national security adviser John Bolton, which includes a change in organizational structure that eliminates the office Ziemer led. Ziemer’s staff has been placed under other NSC departments.
Ziemer, who had been described as “one of the most quietly effective leaders in public health,” was widely lauded in the global health community for his work on the President’s Malaria Initiative, which helped save 6 million lives, before joining this administration. 
“Admiral Ziemer’s departure is deeply alarming, especially when the administration is actively working to cut funds that addressed past pandemics like Ebola,” Rep. Ami Bera (D-Calif.), the vice ranking member of the foreign affairs committee, told HuffPost in a statement. “Expertise like his is critical in avoiding large outbreaks.” 
According to Robert Palladino, NSC spokesman, the reorganization will streamline the process, and he said Ziemer left “on the warmest of terms.”  
Ziemer’s exit follows the departure last month of White House homeland security adviser Tom Bossert, who was another champion of investment in global health security. Bossert left the day after Bolton began as national security adviser.

Ron Klain, the former Ebola “czar” under President Barack Obama, told HuffPost the combination of their departures was a blow to global health security.
“Proposing a rescission of Ebola contingency funds on the very day that a new Ebola outbreak is announced is badly misguided; forcing out the two top officials in charge of epidemic response at the White House – Tom Bossert and Tim Ziemer – is even worse,” Klain said. “Doing it all at the same time shows a reckless disregard for the dangers we face.” 
Some global health security experts also aren’t so sure about whether the reorganization will maintain global health security and biothreats ― such as potential pandemics like Ebola ― as a priority.
Beth Cameron, who previously served as the senior director for global health security and biodefense on Obama’s NSC staff and is currently the Nuclear Threat Initiative’s vice president for global biological policy and programs, called his departure “a major loss for health security, biodefense, and pandemic preparedness.”


“It is unclear in his absence who at the White House would be in charge of a pandemic,” Cameron said, calling it “a situation that should be immediately rectified.”
Tim Rieser, a staffer for the Senate Appropriations committee and senior foreign policy aide for Sen. Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.), who has been called one of the “most powerful staffers in Congress presiding over U.S. foreign policy and U.S. foreign assistance,” echoed Cameron’s comments.
“We have no idea at this point who at the White House is in charge of global health security, at a time when infectious diseases can spread like wildfire in a matter of days threatening millions of Americans here and abroad,” Rieser said.
Loyce Pace, the president and executive director of the Global Health Council, a membership organization that lobbies for global health priorities, reiterated the need to know who is leading pandemic response.
“We really need a strong leader in place from the U.S. who will help coordinate an interagency response and can really provide that kind of assurance and contribute to the progress made in global health security,” Pace said.
The development is also troubling some global health leaders, as it points to a larger pattern within the White House not to put adequate resources behind global health preparedness, said Jeremy Konyndyk, a senior policy fellow for the Center for Global Development. Konyndyk previously led parts of the 2014 Ebola response for the Obama administration as the director of USAID’s Office of U.S. Foreign Disaster Assistance.
Konyndyk cited President Donald Trump’s recent proposal to rescind unspent funds that had targeted Ebola, as well as the administration’s “failure to seek sustained funding for some of the global health security investments that began under the last administration.” 

While advocates were happy to see that Congress almost doubled global health security funding for the U.S. Agency for International Development and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention for the 2018 fiscal year, Trump’s stance has been to call for cuts to overall global health aid. Previous versions of the president’s budgets have called for spending reductions at the CDC, USAID and the Global Fund.
Rieser also pointed to the White House’s choice not to push for more funding in this arena, saying bipartisan support has meant Congress has appropriated “significantly larger amounts than the White House has requested to help less developed countries improve their capabilities to conduct surveillance and respond quickly to disease outbreaks.”
When asked about the proposed rescission of the Ebola funds, a spokesperson for the NSC told HuffPost that sufficient funds were available through USAID for an outbreak and that if additional funds were needed, the State Department could appropriate them through funding for other programs.
The spokesperson also stated that in such a situation, other donor countries would be expected to contribute, including by supporting the World Health Organization’s Contingency Fund for Emergencies.
Ultimately for Konyndyk, the change in structure at the NSC could be an “unraveling of some capabilities and resource streams that date back across two administrations and have pretty bipartisan support on the Hill.”
“I hope it’s not lost on anyone that it happened the exact week that we have new reports on the Ebola outbreak,” Konyndyk added.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
4.1.3  1stwarrior  replied to  Split Personality @4.1.1    one month ago

"did eliminate Zeimer's position and team."

And that is called CUTTING COSTS - not cutting the budget.

 
 
 
Tessylo
4.1.4  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  1stwarrior @4.1.3    one month ago

What's the difference?

Plus it's not cutting costs or cutting the budget - it's gutting a necessary process/agency because Obama put it in place.

 
 
 
Split Personality
4.1.5  Split Personality  replied to  1stwarrior @4.1.3    one month ago

People were reassigned, not fired.  Not one damned penny was saved until Ziemer retired in 2019.

Reading the linked articles would bring a certain amount of "enlightenment", no?

 
 
 
WallyW
4.2  WallyW  replied to  Tessylo @4    one month ago

What is the connection between what happened two years ago and ths outbreak?

A new team is already in place.  jrSmiley_78_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Larry Hampton
4.2.1  Larry Hampton  replied to  WallyW @4.2    one month ago

A new team is already in place. 

Really? I hadn't seen that rump replaced the team he fired with a new pandemic response team. Do you have a link for that?

 
 
 
Tessylo
4.2.2  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  WallyW @4.2    one month ago

So your proof Wally?

 
 
 
Larry Hampton
4.2.3  Larry Hampton  replied to  Tessylo @4.2.2    one month ago

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lady in black
5  lady in black    one month ago

He's a fucktard who is the worst president this country has ever had

 
 
 
KDMichigan
5.1  KDMichigan  replied to  lady in black @5    one month ago
He's a fucktard who is the worst president this country has ever had

I don't know why you have to bring up Obama but thank god he is no longer in office, I agree though Obama is a fucktard.

Restoring this comment and one below, since the seeder widened the topic to include Obama - s

 
 
 
lady in black
5.1.1  lady in black  replied to  KDMichigan @5.1    one month ago

Of course the whataboutism comes out....this is an article about Crooked donnie not Obama.  

 
 
 
KDMichigan
5.1.2  KDMichigan  replied to  lady in black @5.1.1    one month ago

Well when using childish words like fucktard you should be specific who you are talking about. The only fucktard I know is the 'Son of a Bitch' Obama.

 
 
 
Tessylo
6  seeder  Tessylo    one month ago

Trump didn’t just hand off the coronavirus epidemic to Pence—he lied about the threat to Americans

One Wednesday evening, Donald Trump held a press conference to announce how the United States would address the looming threat of the 2019 novel coronavirus. Trump’s primary action was to place Mike Pence—a man who not only   directly intervened to help make an HIV epidemic in Indiana   worse, but also wrote columns expressing   doubt about the link between cigarettes and cancer —in charge of the epidemic. Why Pence? According to Trump, people with actual experience in the area were too busy. So apparently Pence will handle what could be the most pressing issue facing the nation because he has some free time.

For nearly an hour, Trump rambled in a  terrifyingly incoherent appearance  that sent the stock markets into an after-hours nosedive. Again and again, Donald Trump insisted that there were 15 cases of COVID-19 in the United States, listing off the outcome of some of the first cases to be diagnosed, and ignoring the fact that the actual number is 60. And that 60 includes the first case in the United States to have no known contact with someone who traveled to a region where the infection is rampant. While Trump was waving off the crisis as something that would never happen, it gave every appearance of already being in the room.

This is an accurate transcript of a small portion of Trump’s press event. See if you can discover the true number of coronavirus cases in the United States from listening to what he told the public.
Uh, as most of you know, uh, the … the level that we’ve had in our country is very low and those people are getting better, or we think that in almost all cases they’re better or getting better. We have a total of 15. We took in some from Japan, you heard about that, because they were American citizens and they were in quarantine. And, uh, they’re getting better too.

But we felt we had an obligation to do that, it could have been as many as 42. And uh, we found that … we were … it was just an obligation we felt that we had. We could have left them and that would have been very bad. Very bad, I think. American people. And … they’re recovering.

Of the 15 people, the original 15 as I call them, uh, eight of them have returned to their homes, to stay in their homes, until fully recovered. One is in the hospital. And five have fully recovered. And one is, we think, in pretty good shape. In between hospital and going home.

So we have a total of … but we have a total of 15 people. And, uh, they’re in the process of recovering. Some having already fully recovered.

Again, the number of coronavirus cases in the United States at the time of the press event was 60. In order to try to make the number seem smaller, Trump, along with Department of Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar, continually left out not only cases that had been diagnosed on board the Diamond Princess cruise ship before being returned to the United States, but both cases from diplomatic flights and the Diamond Princess passengers who had been tested and confirmed after returning the United States. The whole “15 cases” thing appears to be an arbitrary division created simply to make the incidence sound small—in spite of reality.

And here’s something critical that seems to be getting overlooked. Those “original 15” that Trump mentioned included the case in California that appears to be the first known case of possible   community spread  within the United States. Here is Azar speaking   on Wednesday morning , hours before Trump’s press event:

As of this morning, we still had only 14 cases of the novel coronavirus detected in the United States involved travel to or close contacts with travelers. Coming into this hearing, I was informed that we have a 15th confirmed case, the epidemiology of which we are still discerning.

That case that they were “still discerning” was the California case. As   UC Davis Medical Center has made clear , that patient was transferred to it from another hospital on Feb. 19—over a week ago. It requested testing for COVID-19 at that time, but was turned down because the CDC   was not looking for community-spread cases . However, after UC Davis insisted, the CDC did conduct a test on Sunday. The results of that test were confirmed on Wednesday.

Not only did Trump and Azar handle their press events by deliberately underplaying the number of cases being treated in the United States, but they were also aware that coronavirus was circulating in the population before Trump stepped behind the podium. That patient was one of the “total of 15” that Trump kept talking about. He just didn’t share that with the public.

 
 
 
WallyW
6.1  WallyW  replied to  Tessylo @6    one month ago

So you don't know either.

 
 
 
Snuffy
6.2  Snuffy  replied to  Tessylo @6    one month ago

According to the CDC (updated today) the total number of confirmed in the USA is 14.  Twelve are travel related and now two are listed as person to person spread.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-in-us.html

 
 
 
Dulay
6.2.1  Dulay  replied to  Snuffy @6.2    one month ago

From the link:

This table represents cases detected and tested in the United States through U.S. public health surveillance systems since January 21, 2020. It does not include people who returned to the U.S. via State Department-chartered flights. Total tested 459

So in just over a month, they have only tested 459 people. They're testing more than that every DAY in North Korea and many other countries. 

 
 
 
XDm9mm
7  XDm9mm    one month ago

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Tessylo
8  seeder  Tessylo    one month ago

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KDMichigan
8.1  KDMichigan  replied to  Tessylo @8    one month ago

It is not our job to police the entire world, Obama was the type of FUCKTARD that believes in one world order, fortunately we have a replacement for the 'Son of a Bitch' Obama that has different views.

 
 
 
Dragon
8.1.1  Dragon  replied to  KDMichigan @8.1    one month ago

So why hasn't Trump cut the military in countries where they are just sitting around? Why has Trump increases the military budget, most equipment and personnel are just sitting around. 

 
 
 
KDMichigan
8.1.2  KDMichigan  replied to  Dragon @8.1.1    one month ago
 
 
 
cjcold
8.2  cjcold  replied to  Tessylo @8    one month ago

Obama thought ahead and listened to the smartest scientists on the planet.

Trump only listens to the fossil fuel and pharmaceutical industry propagandists.

 
 
 
Larry Hampton
8.2.1  Larry Hampton  replied to  cjcold @8.2    one month ago

Exactly. 
And it’s not about policing the world. It is about being on the frontlines with the best and brightest, when and where these organisms start popping up.

 
 
 
cjcold
8.2.2  cjcold  replied to  Larry Hampton @8.2.1    one month ago
when and where these organisms start popping up.

Get the feeling that with a changing climate "popping up" will be common.

 
 
 
cjcold
8.2.3  cjcold  replied to  cjcold @8.2.2    one month ago

Used to be a paramedic with highly developed diagnostic skills. There is an ER doctor that took me under his wing and taught me to expect the unexpected. We both expected a pandemic 20 years ago.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
8.3  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Tessylo @8    one month ago

If it or anything with the name Obama on it, Trump will undue it.

 
 
 
It Is ME
9  It Is ME    one month ago

Just another "BULLSHIT" ….. "I HATE TRUMP"....article !

Trump has cut NOTHING going to the CDC. 

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-cut-cdc-budget/

The Trump administration's proposed 2021 budget includes cuts to the CDC's activities related to chronic disease.

Congress hasn't approved the budget , so CDC funding in 2021 remains unclear.

 
 
 
Dragon
10  Dragon    one month ago

Trump's "logic"  is skewed as usual. First you can't just hire any doctor, they need to be educated in pandemic diseases, coronavirus specifically right now. Second, his "logic" would apply to most services, why need police, firefighters, paramedics, emergency personnel, majority of military...I could go on and on. These types of position need training, need education, need to be constantly up to date on latest techniques, just like CDC staff, you can't just hire them when needed. 

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
10.1  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Dragon @10    one month ago

And you honestly think he doesn't know that? SMH. I am sure they have a "pool" of experts to choose from when they were disbanded due to inactivity and also sure they get some hellacious compensation when they do accept.

 
 
 
Dulay
10.1.1  Dulay  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @10.1    one month ago
I am sure they have a "pool" of experts to choose from when they were disbanded due to inactivity and also sure they get some hellacious compensation when they do accept.

You are the second one that seems to think that highly trained medical experts just hang out on unemployment waiting for a call from the CDC so they can just drop everything and jump into the fray. 

It's not like there are any pharmaceutical companies or research universities here in the US and all over the world for the to work at.  /s

 
 
 
Split Personality
10.1.2  Split Personality  replied to  Dulay @10.1.1    one month ago

"hellacious compensation"  form the government, in an emergency?

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WallyW
10.2  WallyW  replied to  Dragon @10    one month ago

You have no idea as to what is actually going on

 
 
 
Tessylo
11  seeder  Tessylo    one month ago

This 'president' doesn't have a clue about anything except lining his own pockets.

When were they disbanded due to inactivity?????????

Jim, I'm sure you have proof of those things you are so sure about.

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Just Jim NC TttH
11.1  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Tessylo @11    one month ago

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Did you not see where everyone is whining because he cut staff in 2018 because they weren't really doing anything? YOU were the first one to bitch here, on your very own seed. [deleted]

"Rear Adm. Timothy Ziemer abruptly departed from his post leading the global health security team on the National Security Council in May 2018 amid a reorganization of the council by then-National Security Advisor John Bolton, and Ziemer’s team was disbanded.

 
 
 
Dulay
11.1.1  Dulay  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @11.1    one month ago

Which proves that it was because of inactivity HOW? 

 
 
 
Tessylo
11.1.2  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Dulay @11.1.1    one month ago

I've still been waiting for that proof. . . . . . . . 

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
11.1.3  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Dulay @11.1.1    one month ago

From YOUR linked interview above........................

"It's a question I asked the doctors before. Some of the people we cut, they haven't been used for many, many years. And rather than spending the money -- and I'm a business person -- I don't like having thousands of people around when you don't need them."

Goddamn do you two read the links you post? Rhetorical evidently.

 
 
 
Tessylo
11.1.4  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @11.1.3    one month ago

I know what the fuck I posted.  

So you're saying, because tRump said it, it is true, is your proof?

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Just Jim NC TttH
11.1.5  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Tessylo @11.1.4    one month ago

That post, other than the "do you read......" part was NOT addressed to you and in response to Dulay. And that was his reasoning. I showed you mine and referenced yours where your comment was concerned..................and you have egg on your face for not reading YOUR own ......................

Prove it isn't true.

 
 
 
Tessylo
11.1.6  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @11.1.5    one month ago

It isn't true.  You need to read what I just posted.  Just because tRump says it, doesn't make it true.  

You have yet to prove it was due to inactivity, it wasn't due to inactivity, it was due to the fact that President Obama put it in place.

That's the reason he gutted it.  

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
11.1.7  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Tessylo @11.1.6    one month ago
it was due to the fact that President Obama put it in place.
That's the reason he gutted it.  

bullfuckingshit

 
 
 
Tessylo
11.1.8  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @11.1.7    one month ago

It's true.  

 
 
 
Dulay
11.1.9  Dulay  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @11.1.3    one month ago
Goddamn do you two read the links you post? Rhetorical evidently.

So your posit it that Trump not only knows WTF he is talking about but that he telling the truth. 

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Tessylo
12  seeder  Tessylo    one month ago

Sudden Departure Of White House Global Health Security Head Has Experts Worried
Rear Adm. Tim Ziemer is among the departures since John Bolton became head of the National Security Council.
 
By Lauren Weber
 
Rear Adm. Tim Ziemer, the head of global health security on the White House’s National Security Council, left the Trump administration on Tuesday. The news was announced one day after an Ebola outbreak was declared in the Democratic Republic of the Congo.
The departure comes amid a reshuffling of the NSC under newly named national security adviser John Bolton, which includes a change in organizational structure that eliminates the office Ziemer led. Ziemer’s staff has been placed under other NSC departments.
Ziemer, who had been described as “one of the most quietly effective leaders in public health,” was widely lauded in the global health community for his work on the President’s Malaria Initiative, which helped save 6 million lives, before joining this administration. 
“Admiral Ziemer’s departure is deeply alarming, especially when the administration is actively working to cut funds that addressed past pandemics like Ebola,” Rep. Ami Bera (D-Calif.), the vice ranking member of the foreign affairs committee, told HuffPost in a statement. “Expertise like his is critical in avoiding large outbreaks.” 
According to Robert Palladino, NSC spokesman, the reorganization will streamline the process, and he said Ziemer left “on the warmest of terms.”  

Ziemer’s exit follows the departure last month of White House homeland security adviser Tom Bossert, who was another champion of investment in global health security. Bossert left the day after Bolton began as national security adviser.
Ron Klain, the former Ebola “czar” under President Barack Obama, told HuffPost the combination of their departures was a blow to global health security.
“Proposing a rescission of Ebola contingency funds on the very day that a new Ebola outbreak is announced is badly misguided; forcing out the two top officials in charge of epidemic response at the White House – Tom Bossert and Tim Ziemer – is even worse,” Klain said. “Doing it all at the same time shows a reckless disregard for the dangers we face.” 
Some global health security experts also aren’t so sure about whether the reorganization will maintain global health security and biothreats ― such as potential pandemics like Ebola ― as a priority.
Beth Cameron, who previously served as the senior director for global health security and biodefense on Obama’s NSC staff and is currently the Nuclear Threat Initiative’s vice president for global biological policy and programs, called his departure “a major loss for health security, biodefense, and pandemic preparedness.”

“It is unclear in his absence who at the White House would be in charge of a pandemic,” Cameron said, calling it “a situation that should be immediately rectified.”
Tim Rieser, a staffer for the Senate Appropriations committee and senior foreign policy aide for Sen. Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.), who has been called one of the “most powerful staffers in Congress presiding over U.S. foreign policy and U.S. foreign assistance,” echoed Cameron’s comments.
“We have no idea at this point who at the White House is in charge of global health security, at a time when infectious diseases can spread like wildfire in a matter of days threatening millions of Americans here and abroad,” Rieser said.
Loyce Pace, the president and executive director of the Global Health Council, a membership organization that lobbies for global health priorities, reiterated the need to know who is leading pandemic response.
“We really need a strong leader in place from the U.S. who will help coordinate an interagency response and can really provide that kind of assurance and contribute to the progress made in global health security,” Pace said.
The development is also troubling some global health leaders, as it points to a larger pattern within the White House not to put adequate resources behind global health preparedness, said Jeremy Konyndyk, a senior policy fellow for the Center for Global Development. Konyndyk previously led parts of the 2014 Ebola response for the Obama administration as the director of USAID’s Office of U.S. Foreign Disaster Assistance.
Konyndyk cited President Donald Trump’s recent proposal to rescind unspent funds that had targeted Ebola, as well as the administration’s “failure to seek sustained funding for some of the global health security investments that began under the last administration.” 
While advocates were happy to see that Congress almost doubled global health security funding for the U.S. Agency for International Development and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention for the 2018 fiscal year, Trump’s stance has been to call for cuts to overall global health aid. Previous versions of the president’s budgets have called for spending reductions at the CDC, USAID and the Global Fund.

Rieser also pointed to the White House’s choice not to push for more funding in this arena, saying bipartisan support has meant Congress has appropriated “significantly larger amounts than the White House has requested to help less developed countries improve their capabilities to conduct surveillance and respond quickly to disease outbreaks.”
When asked about the proposed rescission of the Ebola funds, a spokesperson for the NSC told HuffPost that sufficient funds were available through USAID for an outbreak and that if additional funds were needed, the State Department could appropriate them through funding for other programs.
The spokesperson also stated that in such a situation, other donor countries would be expected to contribute, including by supporting the World Health Organization’s Contingency Fund for Emergencies.
Ultimately for Konyndyk, the change in structure at the NSC could be an “unraveling of some capabilities and resource streams that date back across two administrations and have pretty bipartisan support on the Hill.”
“I hope it’s not lost on anyone that it happened the exact week that we have new reports on the Ebola outbreak,” Konyndyk added.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
13  Buzz of the Orient    one month ago

As a person living in the eye of the covid-19 storm I would say that this is the time when the CDC is needed and in fact should be expanded and funded with however much they ask for in order to deal with this epidemic.

 
 
 
CB
14  CB     one month ago

I will just jump in. The thread is already beyond me endurance ot read this morning. This is republican cheap-skate governance practice. AKA: Small government. Just how small it will get is anybody's guess.

I have never been to Washington, D.C. though I have heard it stated that there are agencies and bureaucracies 'littering' the place. However, it really does matter who is being trusted to do the winnowing down. Besides, I will never agree to condense to a core level were you put thousands and thousands out of jobs—people have career paths, mouths to feed, debts to pay, and quality of life issues.

But, Trump is a syndicate boss who likes to fire people whom he can't control. Now its agencies that are being culled. Is it for purposes of good governance, or just a short-sighted strategy to produce fake indications of a successful presidency?

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

— Martin Niemöller

It is time to rescue your government from a truly deceptive, won't take no as a proper answer, so-called, "Leader." We can do better. We must do better. We must trust our leader has our best interest at heart as a people.

 
 
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