Trump repeatedly misunderstands health officials advising him about coronavirus

  
Via:  tessylo  •  one month ago  •  70 comments

By:   John T Bennett, The Independent

Trump repeatedly misunderstands health officials advising him about coronavirus

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Trump repeatedly misunderstands health officials advising him about coronavirus


















John T Bennett


The Independent March 2, 2020, 5:05 PM EST





















Donald Trump  contended on Monday that a vaccine to prevent  coronavirus  cases could be ready in three months, only to be corrected by one of his top public health officials after he repeatedly appeared to misunderstand drug company executives' statements about their plans to test possible vaccines.











The president, during a Cabinet Room meeting with top pharmaceutical industry executives, said he has heard a vaccine could be ready in just three or four months. But   Anthony Fauci , National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases director, later clarified the remark, telling reporters getting a vaccine properly tested, cleared and distributed likely would take one year.

It was merely the latest time Mr Trump and his top health officials have contradicted one another since the coronavirus outbreak hit US soil. They also have issued different messages about the potential severity of the flu-like ailment and the likelihood that a significant number of cases is inevitable in the United States.

Mr Trump made the forecast even after being told by one industry bigwig that it would take "a year" for his company just to get a potential vaccine into clinics. Repeatedly during the confusing session, Mr Trump latched onto executives' mentions of moving into new phases of testing in the next few months. But Mr Fauci at one point broke in to try and explain to the president that required testing would not allow the drugs to actually reach Americans by summer.

Meantime, another top Trump administration official said the president is pressing drug manufacturers to shed their usually methodical development process to find a coronavirus vaccine and rush it to market.

During the same meeting that featured the president, Health and Human Services Secretary   Alex Azar   said Mr Trump pressed the industry officials to "challenge some of those normal Pharma timelines that can be a little slow and bureaucratic." Other Trump administration officials spoke vaguely of possibly getting "new countermeasures" available quickly without offering specifics.

Those remarks came a few hours after the president told reporters his team and drug makers are "talking about a vaccine, maybe a cure, it's possible".

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"We'll see about that," he said of a drug to cure coronavirus victims, something Mr Azar and other Trump health officials have not said is possible. They have focused instead on a vaccine to prevent people from contracting the virus.

The US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention explains the difference between a cure and a vaccine this way on its website: "Unlike most medicines, which treat or cure diseases, vaccines prevent them."

Executives for several major drug manufacturers were in the Oval Office for the meeting, including GlaxoSmithKline, Johnson & Johnson, Pfizer Inc and Sanofi.

As the two sides met, US markets were closing up for the first time in a few days – and following a coronavirus-triggered slide. The S&P 500 rose 4.6 per cent on Monday, as markets around the world added value ahead of a G7 ministers conference call on Tuesday that fed hopes the central banks of the globe's biggest economies might slash interest rates together as a hedge against the virus's economic impacts.

But congressional Democrats continued to criticise the president.

Senate Minority Leader   Chuck Schumer   accused him of "downplaying" the threat from the mysterious virus.

"Even now, President Trump seems to be spending more of his time blaming the media, blaming the Democrats than being constructive," the New York Democrat said on the Senate floor. "He is downplaying the threat of coronavirus to a dangerous degree."











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Tessylo
1  seeder  Tessylo    one month ago

The president, during a Cabinet Room meeting with top pharmaceutical industry executives, said he has heard a vaccine could be ready in just three or four months. But      Anthony Fauci   , National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases director, later clarified the remark, telling reporters getting a vaccine properly tested, cleared and distributed likely would take one year.

It was merely the latest time Mr Trump and his top health officials have contradicted one another since the coronavirus outbreak hit US soil. They also have issued different messages about the potential severity of the flu-like ailment and the likelihood that a significant number of cases is inevitable in the United States.

Mr Trump made the forecast even after being told by one industry bigwig that it would take "a year" for his company just to get a potential vaccine into clinics. Repeatedly during the confusing session, Mr Trump latched onto executives' mentions of moving into new phases of testing in the next few months. But Mr Fauci at one point broke in to try and explain to the president that required testing would not allow the drugs to actually reach Americans by summer.

 
 
 
katrix
1.1  katrix  replied to  Tessylo @1    one month ago

He'll probably start firing people for telling the truth.

Lies and misinformation added greatly to the death toll of the Spanish Influenza ... but Trump doesn't like facts to get in the way of his bragging, so we can't expect him to do the right thing here.

 
 
 
bbl-1
1.1.1  bbl-1  replied to  katrix @1.1    one month ago

"probably start firing people for telling the truth."  ? ?

Uh, no offense, but the Trump has done that from the moment he slid down the escalator with wife number three.  And actually, has done that his entire adult life.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
1.1.2  igknorantzrulz  replied to  bbl-1 @1.1.1    one month ago

too bad there wasn't a razor sharp handrail

 
 
 
katrix
1.1.3  katrix  replied to  bbl-1 @1.1.1    one month ago

Well, that's true. I should have said "he'll fire MORE people for telling the truth."

What a despicable snowflake. He'd rather let people die than let his ego suffer.

 
 
 
bbl-1
1.1.4  bbl-1  replied to  igknorantzrulz @1.1.2    one month ago

Uh, there was----he hasn't figured it out yet.

 
 
 
bbl-1
1.1.5  bbl-1  replied to  katrix @1.1.3    one month ago

The man does not care.  His complete being is a pretention.  I believe he only cares about Ivanka and I also wonder how deep that caring would be if push came to shove.

By the way:  Where is Ivanka?

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
1.1.6  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  bbl-1 @1.1.5    one month ago

She just came out claiming she is now a "Proud Trumpian Republican"  She is most likely not in the US but somewhere either stealing fashion designs or trying to unload all of her overpriced crap that major retailers refuse to sell.

 
 
 
bbl-1
1.1.7  bbl-1  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @1.1.6    one month ago

"A proud Trumpian republican."  ? ?  Damn.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
1.1.8  Vic Eldred  replied to  bbl-1 @1.1.5    one month ago
The man does not care. 

The President just donated this quarter’s Presidential salary to fight Coronavirus

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Tessylo
1.1.9  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.8    one month ago

So what?

He should divert the billions from his 'wall' to the corona virus fight instead.  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
1.1.10  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @1.1.9    one month ago

Divert money from border security?   Why?

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.1.11  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.10    one month ago

How much actual 'wall' has been built?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
1.1.12  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @1.1.11    one month ago

Wha?

 
 
 
bbl-1
1.1.13  bbl-1  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.8    one month ago

LOL

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
1.1.14  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Tessylo @1.1.9    4 weeks ago

If he just cut back on playing golf, the millions that it is costing us could go to this.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
1.2  Ozzwald  replied to  Tessylo @1    one month ago
Repeatedly during the confusing session, Mr Trump latched onto executives' mentions of moving into new phases of testing in the next few months.

His attention span (equal to a goldfish's) does not allow him to actually "listen" to what is being said. 

He just sits there thinking of Big Macs and Ivanka, catching only a passing phrase or 2.  When the briefing is done, he only remembers a slight fraction of what he was told, and makes up the rest.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
1.2.1  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Ozzwald @1.2    one month ago

his hand keeps getting stuck in the aquarium where the treasure chest keeps emitting oxygen mistaken gastric release bubbles that he is required to breath in order to deceive, 

he then looks through the aquarium and sees the box of Goldfish he flushes down the crapper to excuse the Orange stain

he Mcbecain

long before attacking our John

 
 
 
Ozzwald
1.2.2  Ozzwald  replied to  igknorantzrulz @1.2.1    one month ago

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igknorantzrulz
1.2.3  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Ozzwald @1.2.2    one month ago
my thoughts exactly
 
 
 
Tessylo
2  seeder  Tessylo    one month ago

It sounds like he's blocking most officials from talking, just him and prick Pence.  

 
 
 
Ozzwald
2.1  Ozzwald  replied to  Tessylo @2    one month ago
It sounds like he's blocking most officials from talking, just him and prick Pence. 

That's the exact reason Pence was put in charge.  It definitely wasn't for his medical experience.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
2.1.1  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Ozzwald @2.1    one month ago

Kind of like the lawyer in charge of the Ebola program? Or how about the VPOTUS heading cancer research? That kind of medical experience?

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Ozzwald
2.1.2  Ozzwald  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @2.1.1    one month ago
Kind of like the lawyer in charge of the Ebola program? Or how about the VPOTUS heading cancer research? That kind of medical experience?

Having a hard time staying on topic again???

 
 
 
squiggy
2.1.3  squiggy  replied to  Ozzwald @2.1    one month ago
That's the exact reason Pence was put in charge. 

You brought up the non-pro in charge. He just pointed out the precedent - not that hard to follow.

 
 
 
Dulay
2.1.4  Dulay  replied to  squiggy @2.1.3    one month ago
He just pointed out the precedent - not that hard to follow.

There is NO precedent for putting a gag order on the CDC and the NIH. 

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
2.1.5  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Dulay @2.1.4    one month ago

there is as long asz Trump can reach the Sharpie for the dull minded, 

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
2.1.6  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Ozzwald @2.1.2    one month ago
Having a hard time staying on topic again???

Not at all. You brought up medical experience. I simply pointed out that it is, according to a former genius, not necessarily a pre cursor to being a lead in medical situations.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
2.1.7  Ozzwald  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @2.1.6    one month ago
Not at all. You brought up medical experience.

We're discussing Corona, you're the one trying to turn it into a "but but but Obama" conversation.

 
 
 
katrix
2.1.8  katrix  replied to  Ozzwald @2.1.7    one month ago

Anything to prevent them from admitting that their orange idol and his anti-science toadie are too stupid to be in charge of something like this.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
2.1.9  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Ozzwald @2.1.7    one month ago
you're the one trying to turn it into a "but but but Obama" conversation.

Where did I type Obama?

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
2.1.10  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  katrix @2.1.8    one month ago
orange idol and his anti-science toadie are too stupid to be in charge of something like this.

And Biden it the right guy to lead the cancer fight? hahaHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

 
 
 
squiggy
2.1.11  squiggy  replied to  Dulay @2.1.4    one month ago
"There is NO precedent for putting a gag order on the CDC and the NIH."
Gag on a spoon.
prec·e·dent
noun
/ˈpresəd(ə)nt/
  1. an earlier event or action that is regarded as an example or guide to be considered in subsequent similar circumstances.
 
 
 
Dulay
2.1.12  Dulay  replied to  squiggy @2.1.11    one month ago

Thanks for the unnecessary definition.

I'm sure you think you made some kind of point.

You didn't. 

 
 
 
squiggy
2.1.13  squiggy  replied to  Dulay @2.1.12    one month ago

Glad to have allayed your confusion.

 
 
 
Tessylo
2.1.14  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  squiggy @2.1.13    one month ago

When did you ever do that?

 
 
 
Split Personality
2.1.15  Split Personality  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @2.1.9    one month ago

Kind of an easy deduction when there has only been one Ebola incident in US history and the only Ebola Czar was lawyer Ron Klain from 2014 to 2016.

Butttt Obama....

 
 
 
Dulay
2.1.16  Dulay  replied to  squiggy @2.1.13    one month ago

I'm not confused at all about the irrelevance of your comments. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
3  seeder  Tessylo    one month ago
Politics

Trump suggests using flu vaccine on coronavirus and is instantly corrected by health experts: ‘No’

Conrad Duncan
The Independent March 3, 2020, 5:04 AM EST
U.S. death toll rises to six from Coronavirus

Donald Trump   asked medical experts if   coronavirus   could be treated with a flu   vaccine   that already exists at a meeting with pharmaceutical executives on Monday.

The Trump administration called the meeting to discuss early work for developing a vaccine for the virus, which has killed more the 3,000 people and infected nearly 90,000 worldwide.

However, the president appeared to not understand basic information about how a vaccine is tested or produced and had to be repeatedly corrected by public health officials.

When Leonard Schleifer, the CEO of biotechnology company Regeneron, noted that millions of people are vaccinated for the flu, Mr Trump interrupted and asked if the same vaccine could be used for coronavirus.

“You take a solid flu vaccine, you don't think that would have an impact, or much of an impact, on corona?” he said.

“No… probably none,” Mr Schleifer replied.

There is currently no vaccine for the new strain of coronavirus, officially known as Covid-2019, which was first identified in   China   in December.

Although multiple organisations are working on developing vaccines for the virus, health officials have said it will take at least one year to develop an effective treatment.

"In order to get a [coronavirus] vaccine that is practically deployable for people to use, it's going to be at least a year to a year and a half at best,”   Dr Anthony Fauci , the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, said last week.

There are currently 16 confirmed cases of coronavirus and 27 “presumptive positive” cases awaiting confirmation in the US, according to the   Centre for Disease Control   (CDC).

Officials announced yesterday that six people in the US have died from the virus so far.

Later on Monday at a rally in   North Carolina , Mr Trump also expressed his surprise at the fact that thousands of people die from flu every year in the US.

“Three or four weeks ago, I was sitting there and I said ‘what do we lose with the regular flu?’, they [health officials] said ‘about 27,000 minimum', it goes up to 70, sometimes even 80, one year it went up to 100,000 people,” Mr Trump told his supporters, as he recounted one of his meetings with health experts.

“I said ‘nobody told me that, nobody knows that.’

“So I actually told the pharmaceutical companies that they have to do a better job on that vaccine."

Recent estimates by the CDC have shown between 12,000 - 61,000 deaths annually from influenza since 2010.

Chuck Schumer , the   Democrat   Senate minority leader, accused Mr Trump on Monday of “downplaying” the threat posed by the coronavirus outbreak.

“Even now, President Trump seems to be spending more of his time blaming the media, and blaming the Democrats, than being constructive. In fact, he blames everyone not named Donald Trump,” Mr Schumer said.

“We know the history of how these viruses spread and work. When you deny them, when you don’t let people know what’s happening and what to do about it, things get worse."

 
 
 
katrix
3.1  katrix  replied to  Tessylo @3    one month ago
I said ‘nobody told me that, nobody knows that.’

It's astonishing how little the Idiot In Chief knows.

 
 
 
bbl-1
3.1.1  bbl-1  replied to  katrix @3.1    one month ago

Could it possibly be that the Trump somehow conceives that the term 'nobody' is an affirmation of his reality that only he exists and everything else's purpose is only as a supporting periphery?

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
3.1.2  igknorantzrulz  replied to  bbl-1 @3.1.1    one month ago

supporting periphery 

.

like his base, supporting the suppository in all his inserted glory

whole heartedly

 
 
 
bbl-1
3.1.3  bbl-1  replied to  igknorantzrulz @3.1.2    one month ago

Uh, 'hole heartedly' would be more apt.

 
 
 
Tessylo
3.1.4  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  katrix @3.1    one month ago

The 31 wildest lines from Donald Trump's self-congratulatory coronavirus press conference

Analysis by Chris Cillizza , CNN Editor-at-large

Updated 2:09 PM ET, Thu February 27, 2020

(CNN) While many Americans were sitting down to dinner on Wednesday night, President Donald Trump stepped into the White House briefing room to give the country an  update on the novel coronavirus  and its spread across the globe.
Trump delivered an opening statement and then took questions for almost an hour. And, as he does, the President veered into a wide variety of topics even while stretching the truth to the breaking point.
I went through the full transcript; the lines you need to see are below.

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1. "We have, through some very good early decisions, decisions that were ridiculed at the beginning, we closed up our borders to flights coming in from certain areas, areas that were hit by the coronavirus and hit pretty hard."
The key thing about the coronavirus -- and what Americans need to know and do about it -- is apparently that Trump was right about it from the start, even though some people ridiculed him. And away we go!
2. "A lot of people thought we shouldn't have done it that early, and we did, and it turned out to be a very good thing."
Again: Trump wants you to know he was right. Others were wrong. This is   very   important.
3. "Because of all we've done, the risk to the American people remains very low."
Quantifying what "very low" means from a risk perspective is tough. But it is worth noting that the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said earlier this week that the   spread of coronavirus in the US is inevitable .
4. "We are ready to adapt and we are ready to do whatever we have to as the disease spreads, if it spreads."
"We expect we will see community spread in this country. It's not so much a question of if this will happen anymore, but rather more a question of exactly when this will happen and how many people in this country will have severe illness." --   Dr. Nancy Messonnier , director of the CDC's National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases.
5. "We started out by looking at certain things and we've been working with the Hill very, very carefully, very strongly."
"Looking at certain things," you say? Verrrry intriguing. (Nota bene: Trump is almost certainly working from a prepared statement here.)
6. "And I think we have very good bipartisan spirit for money."
"Bipartisan Spirit for Money" is going to be the title of my memoir.
7. "And again, we've had tremendous success -- tremendous success beyond what people would have thought."
The presumption here is that people had thoughts about how the US would deal with coronavirus. And that we have far exceeded those expectations. Which is weird.
8. "One instance where we think we can be -- it's somewhat reliable, it seems to have gotten quite a bit smaller."
In which the President of the United States suggests the   outbreak in China   is slowing -- citing a "somewhat reliable" source. Good times!
9. "The vaccine is coming along well. And in speaking to the doctors, we think this is something that we can develop fairly rapidly, a vaccine for the future and coordinate with the support of our partners."
"At the earliest an efficacy trial would take an additional six to eight months. So although this is the fastest we have ever gone from a sequence of a virus to a trial, it still would not be any applicable to the epidemic unless we really wait about a year to a year and a half." -- Dr. Anthony Fauci, head of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases at NIH,   shortly after   Trump made his claim.
10. "But we're very, very ready for this, for anything whether it's going to be a breakout of larger proportions or whether or not we're -- you know we're at that very low level."
[nods head very slowly]
11. "The -- John's Hopkins I guess is a highly respected great place. They did a -- a -- a study, comprehensive. The countries best and worst prepared for an epidemic. And the United States is now -- we're rated number one."
Boom! We're No. 1! We're No. 1!
12. "He's very good and I think -- and he's really very expert at the field."
What infectious disease specialist is the President referring to here? Vice President Mike Pence! Who is   not an "expert" in the field !
13. "Well, I don't think it's inevitable. It probably will. It possibly will. It could be at a very small level or it could be at a larger level."
The   CDC says the spread of coronavirus in the United States is inevitable . Donald Trump says it isn't. Which do you believe?
14. "I'm the President of the United States. I'm not a President of other countries."
Fact check: True!
15. "I'll be going to meetings quite a bit depending on what they want to do and what message we want to get out."
Uh huh.
16. "But we've done really an extraordinary job, when you look at a country this size with so many people pouring in, we're the number one in the world for the people coming into a country by far."
Again, Trump wants the big takeaway here to be that he is doing an amazing job -- whether or not coronavirus spreads widely in the US.
17. "I think they look at the people that you watched debating last night, and they say, if there's even a possibility that can happen, I think it really takes a hit because of that."
In which the President says that the reason the   stock market is tumbling   isn't just fears of the coronavirus' impact on the economy (it is) but rather because people didn't like what they saw in the Democratic debate on Tuesday night. Cool story bro!
18. "So you know, my attitude, if Congress wants to give us the money so easy -- it wasn't very easy for the wall, but we got that one done."
So, just to be clear,   Trump declared a national emergency   at the border in order to seize money already allocated for other uses so that he could begin construction of the southern border wall.
19. "And again, when you have 15 and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that's a pretty good job we've done."
One wonders whether Trump has injured himself with such aggressive back-patting.
20. "I'm leading everybody, we're doing great."
Yeah, this all checks out. Doing great!
21. "She's trying to create a panic and there's no reason to panic because we have done so good."
Just the President accusing Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi of trying to create a panic. Also worth noting: Trump thinks his administration has "done so good" on dealing with the coronavirus.
22. "When I mentioned the flu, I said -- actually, I asked the various doctors, I said, is this just like flu? Because people die from the flu. And this is very unusual."
OK, so Trump has now learned that   coronavirus is not the flu . So, that's something?
23. "But we have it so well under control. I mean, we really have done a very good job."
Yes, I think you   may   have mentioned that.
24. "I think the financial markets are very upset when they look at the Democrat candidates standing on that stage making fools out of themselves."
Trump, again tries to   tie the stock market drop   to the Democratic debate. There is, of course, zero evidence to back up this claim.
25. "It's a little like the regular flu that we have flu shots for. And we'll essentially have a flu shot for this in a fairly quick manner."
[narrator voice]   We won't.
26. "When somebody sneezes -- I mean, I try and bail out as much as possible when there's sneezing."
Honestly, same.
27. "Ebola, you disintegrated, especially at the beginning."
This is, um, not a medical definition of the effects of Ebola -- just in case you were wondering.
28. "This is a flu. This is like a flu and this is a much different situation than Ebola."
But you   just   said this isn't the flu? Right?
29. "It'd be very easy for me to say, you know -- it doesn't matter what I say really."
So, well, yeah.
30. "There's a chance that it won't spread, too, and there's a chance that it will."
31. "So far we've done a great job."
This feels like a good place to end.
 
 
 
Dulay
3.1.5  Dulay  replied to  Tessylo @3.1.4    one month ago

I'm so glad he cleared all of that up. /s

 
 
 
Tessylo
3.1.6  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Dulay @3.1.5    one month ago
6. "And I think we have very good bipartisan spirit for money."
"Bipartisan Spirit for Money" is going to be the title of my memoir.

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katrix
3.1.7  katrix  replied to  Tessylo @3.1.4    4 weeks ago

#8 sounds like he thought it was time he could possibly tell the truth, then .. nah.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
4  Trout Giggles    one month ago
eantime, another top Trump administration official said the president is pressing drug manufacturers to shed their usually methodical development process to find a coronavirus vaccine and rush it to market.

There's a reason Big Pharma is slow to get drugs and vaccines on the market. Sometimes the "cure" is worse than the disease. There are testing protocols that must be adhered to, Mr President. Why not ask your Director of the FDA about testing protocols?

If I were POTUS, I would be constantly picking the brains of the Biggest Brains in the medical and pharmaceutical industry, which he won't do because he already knows everything.

 
 
 
WallyW
5  WallyW    one month ago
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bbl-1
5.1  bbl-1  replied to  WallyW @5    one month ago

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Sparty On
5.1.1  Sparty On  replied to  bbl-1 @5.1    one month ago
removed for context by charger
 
 
 
bbl-1
5.1.2  bbl-1  replied to  Sparty On @5.1.1    one month ago

Conservatism is dead.  The right wing has risen. 

 
 
 
Sparty On
5.1.3  Sparty On  replied to  bbl-1 @5.1.2    one month ago

I'll take that as a yes since you didn't disagree with my comment.   You really do believe what you said in 5.1.1.     Shows how far off base you really are.

Conservatism is dead.   The right wing has risen. 

That comment is just a nonsensical gibberish.

 
 
 
bbl-1
5.1.4  bbl-1  replied to  bbl-1 @5.1    one month ago

Actually, the removed comment had to much value and that is why it was removed.

 
 
 
Tessylo
5.1.5  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  bbl-1 @5.1.4    one month ago

I'd love it bbl-1 if you'd send me your comment in a private message.  I'm sure it was a valuable comment.  

 
 
 
squiggy
5.2  squiggy  replied to  WallyW @5    one month ago

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bbl-1
6  bbl-1    one month ago

The saddest thing about the Trump is the simple fact that not only does he not know, he also does not know that he does not know.  And this is why 'The Stormy Who' worked so well for him and his sycophants.

 
 
 
r.t..b...
6.1  r.t..b...  replied to  bbl-1 @6    one month ago
the simple fact that not only does he not know, he also does not know that he does not know.

A dangerous scenario, regardless of the threat, real or imagined. Add in the fact that he does not even care to know in his megalomania, and it becomes an existential threat in this most serious of circumstance.

 
 
 
bbl-1
6.1.1  bbl-1  replied to  r.t..b... @6.1    one month ago

His retention is short.  His vision non-existent.  His only perceived apparent goals are anti-Choice, pro corporate and absolute executive power judges.  His whole life is centered on self preservation.

 
 
 
r.t..b...
6.1.2  r.t..b...  replied to  bbl-1 @6.1.1    one month ago
absolute executive power

The goal to be achieved and the underlying context of every action...and self-admitted on numerous occasions.

He considers himself above Constitutional constraint, above the law, and above accountability from the judicial and/or legislative branches. In his mind a monarch...but in reality an ill-equipped and ill-informed danger to our entire system of governance.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
6.2  Ozzwald  replied to  bbl-1 @6    one month ago
The saddest thing about the Trump is the simple fact that not only does he not know, he also does not know that he does not know.

See, Dunning–Kruger effect .

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Paula Bartholomew
6.2.1  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Ozzwald @6.2    one month ago

Picture L.....trying to pass a turd.

Picture R....mission accomplished.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
6.2.2  Ozzwald  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @6.2.1    one month ago
Picture L.....trying to pass a turd. Picture R....mission accomplished.

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Tacos!
7  Tacos!    one month ago

I wonder if he is thinking about fast-tracking approval.

 
 
 
Dulay
7.1  Dulay  replied to  Tacos! @7    one month ago

Right, because the fast tracking of the CDC test worked so well. /s

 
 
 
Tessylo
8  seeder  Tessylo    one month ago

I'm surprised the turd in chief hasn't gone on a twitter rampage raging against Dr. Fauci and others who corrected him.  He was like a petulant child.  

 
 
 
Dulay
8.1  Dulay  replied to  Tessylo @8    one month ago

Trump went from being told unequivocally that it would take much more time, to telling his minions at a rally that a vaccine would be ready in months. Of course, they swilled the pabulum and cheered as if Trump was personally doing the research between rounds of golf. 

 
 
 
katrix
8.1.1  katrix  replied to  Dulay @8.1    one month ago

It will be hilarious if he has to stop playing golf to avoid getting sick. Can you imagine the whining!

Except that gives him more time to watch right wing fake news and tweet ... so maybe not.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
8.2  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Tessylo @8    4 weeks ago

When isn't he a petulant child?

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
9  Paula Bartholomew    one month ago

I am no expert in body language, but Pence looks totally pissed off about something in that picture.

 
 
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