White House Bans Filming At Coronavirus Briefing, Triggering Backlash

  
Via:  tessylo  •  one month ago  •  112 comments

By:   Lee Moran, HuffPost

White House Bans Filming At Coronavirus Briefing, Triggering Backlash

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White House Bans Filming At Coronavirus Briefing, Triggering Backlash







HuffPost March 4, 2020, 3:54 AM EST









The Trump White House faced widespread criticism on Tuesday after Vice President Mike Pence conducted a press briefing on the   coronavirus   outbreak, but   members of the media  were not allowed to record video or audio.

The administration ― which only last week vowed to be “ aggressively transparent ” with the public about the spread of the virus that has now killed nine people in the U.S. ― only allowed still photographs to be taken, CNN’s Jim Acosta and other journalists in attendance tweeted. 


“I asked Pence why the Coronavirus briefing is off camera today. He said he believes the briefing will be back on cam tomorrow,” Acosta later posted, noting “the closest thing to an explanation we got” was “when Pence said Trump was on camera a bunch today.”

Obama-era White House chief photographer Pete Souza said he “can’t ever remember a time when a VP or POTUS spoke in the White House press briefing room and video/audio was prohibited.”

“It’s like they’re imploding,” added Walter Shaub, the former head of the U.S. Office of Government Ethics.

The Trump administration’s coronavirus response has been widely criticized as disorganized and slow. Trump himself has repeatedly sought to downplay the risks,   sometimes with outright falsehoods .




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Tessylo
1  seeder  Tessylo    one month ago

No audio or video in this time, to document how inept and ill-prepared this inept and ill-prepared administration is 

 
 
 
WallyW
1.1  WallyW  replied to  Tessylo @1    one month ago

They still have their pens and phones.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
1.1.1  Ozzwald  replied to  WallyW @1.1    one month ago
They still have their pens and phones.

And you'll claim anything they say against Trump is "fake news" unless you have documented video evidence.  Of course, even with videos, you usually claim it is "fake news".

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
2  Just Jim NC TttH    one month ago

OMG you mean to tell me that the press/media is going to have to revert to the days of taking notes and compiling a story from said notes.........like they used to. The sheer horror. /s

 
 
 
Tessylo
2.1  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @2    one month ago

Yeah, heaven forbid you have video/audio at a 'press' conference.

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Ozzwald
2.2  Ozzwald  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @2    one month ago

OMG you mean to tell me that the press/media is going to have to revert to the days of taking notes and compiling a story from said notes.........like they used to. The sheer horror. /s

Allows Trump to claim they are lying then, and his cult followers will of course believe him.

 
 
 
katrix
2.2.1  katrix  replied to  Ozzwald @2.2    one month ago

I'm not sure it matters. Some of his followers in here repeatedly deny that he's said or done things that ARE on video. Truth doesn't interest them in the least.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
2.2.2  igknorantzrulz  replied to  katrix @2.2.1    one month ago

one suggested pen and paper above..., yea for a group as you stated, that don't believe the audio or video proof, are now going to believe 'interpreted' notes ?

What a FCKN DISASTER this administration is, was, and always will be !

Thanx Trumpsters 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2.2.3  JohnRussell  replied to  Ozzwald @2.2    one month ago

Most Trump supporters will excuse anything he does, hence the accuracy of the "I could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue"   statement. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
2.3  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @2    one month ago

The best way to cover up for this inept and incompetent administration - no video!  No audio!

 
 
 
Robert in Ohio
3  Robert in Ohio    one month ago

The biggest concern that most Americans have concerning the coronavirus is obviously that they want to watch the play by play of the committee meetings (sarcasm for those unable to identify it)- but for me I just they or someone they are providing money and guidance too comes up with the treatment protocol and a vaccine.

 
 
 
Tessylo
3.1  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Robert in Ohio @3    one month ago

Huh?

 
 
 
Robert in Ohio
3.1.1  Robert in Ohio  replied to  Tessylo @3.1    one month ago

If you really do not understand my point....well I will try again...it is more important that this group do something positive than it is that  you be able to watch the meetings on your phone (or anyone else)

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
3.1.2  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Robert in Ohio @3.1.1    one month ago

What is the purpose of a briefing again ?

 
 
 
Tessylo
3.1.3  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Robert in Ohio @3.1.1    one month ago

So what positive things are they doing?  By muzzling/not allowing the health agencies to speak and to block video and audio from these briefings?

Why hold the briefings?

Thanks again for your non-contribution and the snark.  

 
 
 
Robert in Ohio
3.1.4  Robert in Ohio  replied to  Tessylo @3.1.3    one month ago

I remember now - any comment that does not support the author's position is "Non-contribution" -- every now and then I wonder why I quit participating on this site and then someone reminds me.

Thanks

 
 
 
Tessylo
3.1.5  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Robert in Ohio @3.1.4    one month ago

So you come immediately with your snark and when I snark back,  you're whining and complaining.

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Robert in Ohio
3.1.6  Robert in Ohio  replied to  Tessylo @3.1.5    one month ago

I stated my opinion, you snarked, I re-explained and you went off - I am not whining or complaining but you seem to be doing both

 
 
 
Dulay
3.1.7  Dulay  replied to  Robert in Ohio @3.1.1    one month ago

You know that the seed isn't about videos of meetings right?

 
 
 
bbl-1
3.1.8  bbl-1  replied to  Robert in Ohio @3.1.6    one month ago

Our government works for us, is paid by us and is placed in position by us.  If the government wants to hide what it is allegedly doing on our behalf, we don't have much of a government.

And I also am an Ohioan.

 
 
 
Tessylo
3.1.9  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  bbl-1 @3.1.8    one month ago
'Our government works for us, is paid by us and is placed in position by us.  If the government wants to hide what it is allegedly doing on our behalf, we don't have much of a government.'

They're supposed to keep US informed in such events, not in the DARK.   Not gagging the agencies in the know from speaking to us and only allowed to speak to us through Pence.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
3.1.10  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Robert in Ohio @3.1.6    one month ago

Your comment was pretty indecipherable and when I said Huh, you were snarky.

You went there first, not me.  

 
 
 
Robert in Ohio
3.1.11  Robert in Ohio  replied to  Tessylo @3.1.10    one month ago

The comment was perfectly clear - it illustrated misplaced priorities -- i.e. it is more important that the group figure things out then be available to you to watch minute by minute on your cell phone.  That is not snark , that is common sense.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
3.1.12  JohnRussell  replied to  Robert in Ohio @3.1.11    one month ago

If every other white house allowed video or audio to be recorded at briefings, and this one didnt, it is a notable anomaly, and such explanations as "get over it" carry little weight, and seem more like excuse making. 

Why do otherwise normal people make so many excuses for Donald Trump? 

 
 
 
Tessylo
3.1.13  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Robert in Ohio @3.1.11    one month ago

Clear as mud.  It's snark.  It's sarcasm.  

Why shouldn't the public be privy to these briefings?

 
 
 
Tessylo
3.1.14  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.12    one month ago

Another tRump supporter/enabler

 
 
 
Tessylo
3.1.15  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Tessylo @3.1.13    one month ago

And misplaced priorities?

Like this administration?

You're a hoot.  

 
 
 
Split Personality
3.2  Split Personality  replied to  Robert in Ohio @3    one month ago
but for me I just they or someone they are providing money and guidance too comes up with the treatment protocol and a vaccine.

I think you meant

but for me I just hope they or someone they are providing money and guidance to,

comes up with the treatment protocol and a vaccine.

( glad to see you returned for a visit )

 
 
 
Tessylo
3.2.1  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Split Personality @3.2    one month ago

Thanks for deciphering that.

That's why I said huh?

Hard to interpret,.  

 
 
 
lady in black
4  lady in black    one month ago

This administration is the worst administration since this country was founded.

 
 
 
Dean Moriarty
4.1  Dean Moriarty  replied to  lady in black @4    one month ago

I didn't lose any sleep over it. 

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
4.1.1  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Dean Moriarty @4.1    one month ago

I didn't lose any sleep over it. 

why would you

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
4.2  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  lady in black @4    one month ago

Only to most hard core liberal lefties who still cannot get over the idea that their side lost the last presidential election!

 
 
 
Split Personality
4.2.1  Split Personality  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @4.2    one month ago

Yeah, funny how those "hard core conservative righties" could not get over the last administration for the whole eight years.

Hell, there are a handful here who haven't recovered from ODS yet.

That's not a good sign...

 
 
 
MUVA
4.2.2  MUVA  replied to  Split Personality @4.2.1    one month ago

Fail

 
 
 
Tessylo
4.2.3  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  MUVA @4.2.2    one month ago

PASS

 
 
 
Tessylo
5  seeder  Tessylo    one month ago

Experts baffled as Trump asks why they can't just use flu vaccines to prevent coronavirus

 
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Donald Trump appears to be even more confused than ever bout coronavirus.

In a series of videos actually released by the White House, Trump can be seen getting increasingly more confused by the experts in the room, who are patiently trying to explain very very basic concepts to the president.

During one segment, he seems incapable of understanding how long it actually takes to formulate a vaccine, repeatedly suggesting "a couple months" should be the timeframe, because he "likes that better" than the actual realistic year-and-a-half estimate he's given.

He keeps going on and on about this among awkward laughter from people who understand that science doesn't actually bow to Trump's whims. It only stops when an advisor explains:
Vaccines have to be tested because there's precedent for vaccines actually making diseases worse. You don't want to rush and treat a million people and find out you're making 900,000 of them worse.

Trump's response? A baffling "that's a good idea". (Good idea to rush and screw it up? Good idea to mention this? WHAT??)

But perhaps the weirdest of all was when he thought that he – a mediocre business person – may have come up with the solution to a complex global pandemic which no medical professional could ever have thought of:

You take a solid flu vaccine, you don't think that would have an impact? Or much of an impact? On corona?

Let's recap. A "solid" (whatever that means) flu vaccine. For the flu.

To stop "corona", as he calls it. Which is... a completely different type of virus. Otherwise it would be called flu. That's how words (and science) work.

So what impact   would   a flu shot have? "Probably none," Trump is told. For obvious reasons. The president responds:

Probably none? That simple?

Well no, not simple at all really, despite him seeming to think that coronavirus can be cured either by a vaccine for a different virus or by way of actual   miracles . For context, researchers have been trying to develop a vaccine against HIV since the 1980s. Does that sound simple to you? Us neither. Maybe they should just use the flu one instead and see if that works.

Kellyanne Conway, who was in the room while all this was going down, said nothing, but her husband made the obvious point:

I wish there were a vaccine against abject stupidity   https://t.co/LjPS1AdDDx
— George Conway (@gtconway3d)
March 3, 2020

Don't we all George, don't we all.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
5.1  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Tessylo @5    one month ago

So Mr. Trump is throwing ideas out there (like all businessmen do) to get them to think outside the box. Is there anywhere, if there is I can't find it, anything that shows they tried using any other flu type vaccines and see if there are any results?? After all, they have all been tested already so there should be no need to wait for lengthy testing. Why not give it a shot? And maybe they have. 

On a side note, how ARE they treating those that do survive? I have read in many cases, the unfortunate deaths in the US have cited "other health conditions" as contributing to the deaths

 
 
 
Tessylo
5.1.1  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @5.1    one month ago

So Mr. Trump is throwing ideas out there (like all businessmen do)  to get them to think outside the box

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katrix
5.1.2  katrix  replied to  Tessylo @5.1.1    one month ago

Any excuse for the proof that their orange god is too fucking stupid to even have the basic grasp of how viruses and vaccines work. Yeah, that's the person I want in charge of a pandemic - NOT.

 
 
 
jungkonservativ111
5.1.3  jungkonservativ111  replied to  katrix @5.1.2    one month ago

Yea because all presidents should be doctors too......

 
 
 
It Is ME
5.1.4  It Is ME  replied to  Tessylo @5.1.1    one month ago

Quick....what does "Outside the Box" mean ?

 
 
 
Ender
5.1.5  Ender  replied to  It Is ME @5.1.4    one month ago

An ineffective form of birth control.

 
 
 
It Is ME
5.1.6  It Is ME  replied to  Ender @5.1.5    one month ago
An ineffective form of birth control.

The Bill Clinton appointee Joselyn Elders masturbation cause/effect ?

 
 
 
Ender
5.1.7  Ender  replied to  It Is ME @5.1.6    one month ago

Give that man a cigar.

 
 
 
Tessylo
5.1.8  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Ender @5.1.7    one month ago

Please don't encourage him.  

 
 
 
It Is ME
5.1.9  It Is ME  replied to  Ender @5.1.7    one month ago

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igknorantzrulz
5.1.10  igknorantzrulz  replied to  It Is ME @5.1.9    one month ago

most put that cigar in their mouth...what were you thinking ?

 
 
 
It Is ME
5.1.11  It Is ME  replied to  igknorantzrulz @5.1.10    one month ago
most put that cigar in their mouth...what were you thinking ?

Comment 5.1.9 was very self explanatory ! jrSmiley_80_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
5.1.12  igknorantzrulz  replied to  It Is ME @5.1.11    one month ago

no, actually it was/is not.

 
 
 
It Is ME
5.1.13  It Is ME  replied to  igknorantzrulz @5.1.12    one month ago
no, actually it was/is not.

A mind is a terrible thing to waste !

 
 
 
It Is ME
5.1.14  It Is ME  replied to  It Is ME @5.1.9    one month ago

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Tessylo
5.1.15  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  It Is ME @5.1.13    one month ago
A mind is a terrible thing to waste !

 
 
 
It Is ME
5.1.16  It Is ME  replied to  Tessylo @5.1.15    one month ago
A mind is a terrible thing to waste !

Again ….. Yes …. That's what I posted. jrSmiley_103_smiley_image.jpg

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
5.1.17  igknorantzrulz  replied to  It Is ME @5.1.16    one month ago

Again ….. Yes …. That's what I posted.

think u spelled proven wrong

 
 
 
It Is ME
5.1.18  It Is ME  replied to  igknorantzrulz @5.1.17    one month ago
think u spelled proven wrong

You "Think"....or you "Know" ?

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
5.1.19  igknorantzrulz  replied to  It Is ME @5.1.18    one month ago

You "Think"....or you "Know" ?

i know you don't think

,

i know

,

that you don 't think

i,

know

 
 
 
It Is ME
5.1.20  It Is ME  replied to  igknorantzrulz @5.1.19    one month ago

Soooo,,,, you really can't answer the question ? jrSmiley_89_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Dulay
5.1.21  Dulay  replied to  jungkonservativ111 @5.1.3    one month ago

One need not be a doctor to comprehend how vaccines work. 

Maybe you and your thumbs up buddies can share this with Trump.

512

 
 
 
Tessylo
5.1.22  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  jungkonservativ111 @5.1.3    one month ago

Most folks at the first grade level have an understanding of vaccines.

What's the 'president's excuse?

 
 
 
katrix
5.1.23  katrix  replied to  jungkonservativ111 @5.1.3    one month ago
Yea because all presidents should be doctors too......

It doesn't take a doctor to have a basic grasp of how viruses and vaccines work.

Trump is willfully ignorant about multiple things ... he's often exclaiming "nobody knew that" which means, in Trump-speak, that HE didn't know it - but most intelligent people did know those things.

 
 
 
lady in black
5.2  lady in black  replied to  Tessylo @5    one month ago

He's an incompetent buffoon....pos should just listen to the professionals, but we know he can't he has the attention span of a 2 year old

 
 
 
zuksam
6  zuksam    one month ago

Triggering Backlash ? Oh you mean Whining.

 
 
 
jungkonservativ111
6.1  jungkonservativ111  replied to  zuksam @6    one month ago

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igknorantzrulz
6.1.1  igknorantzrulz  replied to  jungkonservativ111 @6.1    one month ago

Bitching and moaning

i know her

 
 
 
Tacos!
6.2  Tacos!  replied to  zuksam @6    one month ago

Exactly. What else are they going to do?

 
 
 
Tessylo
7  seeder  Tessylo    one month ago

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Ender
8  Ender    one month ago

I read that after the meeting he was spreading mistruths again while giving a speech somewhere.

I swear, he spends more time just speaking to crowds than anyone I can think of.

Then he was telling them he wants a vaccine just in time for the election. Tells me all I need to know right there. That is all he cares about.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
8.1  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Ender @8    one month ago
Then he was telling them he wants a vaccine just in time for the election. Tells me all I need to know right there. That is all he cares about.

That's what you read into that? LMAO.............

Everyone, including the pundits on here say it's going to take a year to year and a half to develop and safely and adequately test. Trump is letting them know that that is an unacceptable time frame and wants some extra effort put in. Even at that, by the time it's developed, the threat, for this year at least hopefully, will be gone and we/they will be able to use it the next breakout. This year will be in the rearview mirror.............................

 
 
 
Ender
8.1.1  Ender  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @8.1    one month ago

So him saying he wants it done by election time means nothing?

Talk about brushing aside things he says...

 
 
 
Dulay
8.1.2  Dulay  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @8.1    one month ago
Trump is letting them know that that is an unacceptable time frame and wants some extra effort put in.

Right because as we all know, short cuts in developing and testing drugs is a great idea. /s

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
8.1.3  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Ender @8.1.1    one month ago
So him saying he wants it done by election time means nothing

Didn't say that but that doesn't mean I disagree totally with what you are stating. It means he wants it done as quickly and accurately as humanly possible. They have $3billion for research and development and for $3B there had better not be the old adage of "A job will take as long as the time allotted for it". That goes out the door with the funding.

Read it again and let me know what you come up with.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
8.1.4  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Dulay @8.1.2    one month ago
Right because as we all know, short cuts in developing and testing drugs is a great idea. /s

No one said anything about taking shortcuts. We are spending OUR money ($3B) to get to the bottom of this and Mr. Trump wants no dilly dallying in the process. And, as stated, if the vaccine takes as long as the pundits are saying, it isn't going to do much good for this outbreak but will be ready, hopefully, for the next. China, the origination of the outbreak, is already seeing reductions in cases every day. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
8.1.5  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Dulay @8.1.2    one month ago
'Trump is letting them know that that is an unacceptable time frame and wants some extra effort put in.'  jrSmiley_78_smiley_image.gif

'Right because as we all know, short cuts in developing and testing drugs is a great idea. /s'

When Fauci and others told him so, about the shortcuts, etc., tRump essentially said, 'That's not what I wanted to hear' hence why he has them gagged now from using video and audio.  Not that proof swayed tRump supporters in the first place.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
8.1.6  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @8.1.4    one month ago
'Mr. Trump wants no dilly dallying in the process.'  jrSmiley_78_smiley_image.gif

It's a shame 'president' tRump has been doing so much dilly dallying and dismantling the global pandemic task force that President Obama put together. 

Passing the buck as usual onto the Obama administration and trying to cover up his/this administrations gross ineptness and ill preparedness and utter incompetence.  

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
8.1.7  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Tessylo @8.1.6    one month ago

That comment makes no sense whatsoever. We've been over and over and over the reasons for dismantling and it doesn't make two shits difference in where we are now. This is a new, and tougher it seems, virus to crack. I really don't think any more prep would have sped it up any quantifiable amount. It still took the world by surprise and former full team in place or not, it couldn't and wouldn't be stopped. The administration started action in January with the travel ban which probably saved many the discomfort and possibility of succumbing to the disease while in the back ground, things were starting to come together. 

Another note. Many don't like the US being the world police. They should take care of themselves. So now we are the world's hospital and research center? Yes, we should do our best to help all people but, how much money and resources do you suppose other infected countries are spending parallel to ours? Or are they doing what they can waiting for big brother to come up with the solution?

 
 
 
Tessylo
8.1.8  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @8.1.7    one month ago

Yes, it does make a huge difference in where we are now.  A HUGE DIFFERENCE.  

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
8.1.9  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Tessylo @8.1.8    one month ago

How so? This was a rapid flare up of a previously unknown virus that caught everyone by surprise.

Now, go ahead and expound on that HUGE difference. I'll wait.

 
 
 
Tessylo
8.1.10  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @8.1.9    one month ago

You may have the last word for now tRump enabler/supporter.

I've got better things to do.  

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
8.1.11  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Tessylo @8.1.10    one month ago

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Tessylo
8.1.12  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @8.1.11    one month ago
HuffPost

Trump Claims Thousands Could Still Go To Work With Coronavirus And Get Better

HuffPost March 5, 2020, 2:48 AM EST
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Trump Claims Thousands Could Still Go To Work With Coronavirus And Get Better

President  Donald Trump  suggested during an interview on  Fox News  Wednesday that many people with mild coronavirus symptoms could still go to work and get better. This goes against advice from medical professionals around the world who say that infected individuals should remain in isolation.

“A lot of people will have this and it’s very mild. They’ll get better very rapidly. They don’t even see a doctor, they don’t even call a doctor. You never hear about those people,” Trump told Fox News host Sean Hannity. “So you can’t put them down in the category of the overall population in terms of this corona flu and or virus. So you just can’t do that. So, if you know, we have thousands or hundreds of thousands of people that get better just by, you know, sitting around and even going to work. Some of them go to work, but they get better.”

Centers for Disease Control and Prevention   guidance   states that people with COVID-19 who do not need hospitalization should restrict all activities outside the home excluding seeking medical care.

“Do not go to work, school or public areas. Avoid using public transportation, ride-sharing or taxis,” CDC advises.

A   growing number   of businesses, including Twitter, Amazon and Microsoft, have asked employees to work from home in a bid to limit the spread of the disease. The   World Health Organization , as well as dozens of governments and health organizations around the world, have also asked infected people to isolate themselves.

While most people who contract the illness have mild symptoms, 1 in 5 people with COVID-19 infection will need hospital care, WHO states on its website. Older people and those with preexisting medical conditions are more susceptible to contracting the SARS-CoV-2 infection (the virus that causes COVID-19), and may suffer a severe or fatal case. It is therefore important for those infected to take extra precautions not to transmit the disease to others.

 
 
 
Tessylo
8.1.13  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @8.1.11    one month ago

removed for context

 
 
 
Tessylo
8.1.14  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @8.1.11    one month ago

removed for context

 
 
 
Dulay
8.1.15  Dulay  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @8.1.4    one month ago
No one said anything about taking shortcuts.

Trump is. 

We are spending OUR money ($3B) to get to the bottom of this and Mr. Trump wants no dilly dallying in the process.

That's ironic because Trump and Azar only asked for $2.5 billion. Oh and neither Azar or any of the Pharma companies said anything about a need for federal funding to develop a vaccine. Azar told Congress that the Administration has no intention of ensuring that the vaccine will be affordable for all.

Yet we will be spending OUR money and now it sure as hell looks like we are going to be paying TWICE for the vaccine, once to develop it and again to actually have it administered. 

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
8.1.16  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Tessylo @8.1.12    one month ago

So no provable HUGE difference it is then. Your post has nothing to do with what we were discussing.

Thank you again.........for nothing.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
8.1.17  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Dulay @8.1.15    one month ago

The total package approved by and yet to be signed by Mr. Trump, he will, is $8B $3B of which is for research and development. How are we going to pay twice? If they find one, it's effectively over and the creating and stocking plan for the next outbreak can begin. If they go over $3B there better be some accountability. 

Azar told Congress that the Administration has no intention of ensuring that the vaccine will be affordable for all.

But yet, here it is....................

A House Democratic aide said the legislation would provide more than "$300 million to help ensure that, when a vaccine is developed, Americans can receive it regardless of their ability to pay."

It pays to keep up..................................

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/coronavirus-congressional-leaders-strike-nearly-7-8-billion-bipartisan-emergency-n1148171

 
 
 
loki12
8.1.18  loki12  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @8.1.17    one month ago

Well Jim to the morons of the world this stuff didn’t happen before trump, the US never pays for research and development and then for the completed product, just ask every military contractor.  Sorry that might not be a good example, just ask everyone who got a DARPA grant to develop a product.....well fuck I guess it happens all the time but now we have to whine about it because Trump! TDS is real, we need to explore a cure for that.

 
 
 
Tessylo
8.1.19  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @8.1.16    one month ago

IT IS A HUGE DIFFERENCE.  Just like starting from scratch.  

Thank you again for nothing 'president' tRump.  

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
8.1.20  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Tessylo @8.1.19    one month ago

It was a new strain FFS. Starting from scratch was imminent. You can't develop something for something when you don't know what that something is going to be. It is NOT a HUGE difference.

 
 
 
Tessylo
8.1.21  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @8.1.20    one month ago

No, starting from scratch was NOT IMMINENT.

 
 
 
Tessylo
8.1.22  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Tessylo @8.1.21    one month ago

AND IT WAS A HUGE DIFFERENCE

 
 
 
Tacos!
8.1.23  Tacos!  replied to  Tessylo @8.1.12    one month ago
“A lot of people will have this and it’s very mild. They’ll get better very rapidly. They don’t even see a doctor, they don’t even call a doctor. You never hear about those people,”

That's true. Apparently, some people don't even show symptoms. For the people that show mild or no symptoms, they won't even get checked out. This means our estimates of the true mortality rate for this virus could be significantly exaggerated.

However, while you could go to work, that doesn't mean you should go to work.

 
 
 
Dulay
8.1.24  Dulay  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @8.1.17    one month ago
How are we going to pay twice?

The American people are funding that 3 Billion and unless the vaccine is free, they'll [we] will be paying for it TWICE. 

A House Democratic aide said the legislation would provide more than "$300 million to help ensure that, when a vaccine is developed, Americans can receive it regardless of their ability to pay."

Well 300 million will cover about 10 million doses so that will cover less than 20% of those uninsured. That doesn't take into account those who are underinsured whose plans won't cover the vaccine. 

BTW, from your link:

"The legislation ensures that the federal government will only pay a fair and reasonable price for coronavirus vaccines and drugs and provides HHS the authority to ensure that they are affordable in the commercial market," the aide said.

So again, the federal government [WE] are paying for the developing the vaccine and then again for the actual vaccine in the commercial market. 

 
 
 
Dulay
8.1.25  Dulay  replied to  Tacos! @8.1.23    one month ago

Every company I have ever worked for asked us to keep our asses home if we were sick, especially during flu season. I've sent sick people home and told them not to come back until their they stopped coughing and/or sneezing. 

Trump is a moron.  

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
8.1.26  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Dulay @8.1.24    one month ago

All this does is pay, up front, for the R&D into the vaccine. It is no different than paying high prices for proprietary drugs of any kind. The R&D costs are added to the pricing structure of the drug. Thus, a tiny pill for RA, while actual relative pennies to produce, a person pays $15 a pill for. THAT is why we still have to pay for the "production" of the drug. In my business, we charge for R&D and even a prototype of the product and make the customer pay for costs incurred so that the time, effort, and money we spent is covered should they decide to go to a cheaper supplier (basically and manufacturing "generic" of the original).

And I am sure that there will be those not covered who wish to have it. That is what the $300M is for. All they are doing is greasing the "we don't know what it's going to cost" wheel.......................

 
 
 
Tacos!
8.1.27  Tacos!  replied to  Dulay @8.1.25    one month ago
Every company I have ever worked for asked us to keep our asses home if we were sick

Must be nice! That is certainly not every company out there. I've had bosses that were absolutely disgusted at the idea of someone staying home sick.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
8.1.28  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Tacos! @8.1.27    one month ago

I had a boss once whose statement was always "You can come to work and accomplish a little or you can stay home and accomplish nothing." 

 
 
 
Tacos!
8.1.29  Tacos!  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @8.1.28    one month ago

I remember a boss who was like "if you want to work, then you come to work." By that, he meant, "if you want to keep this job, you better show up, because on the day that you don't, I'll give your job to someone else."

 
 
 
Dulay
8.1.30  Dulay  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @8.1.26    one month ago
All they are doing is greasing the "we don't know what it's going to cost" wheel.......................

They DO have a pretty good idea of what production and dosage will cost. The CDC has a price list online for the Influenza vaccine. That vaccine is tailored to the 'best guess' of the virus on a year to year basis. It's around $1.50 per dose to the CDC and up to $3.00 to the 'private sector'. Pretty sure that the cost includes R&D and production. Yet the 'private sector' CHARGES $30 to $50 per shot. There is no reason to believe that a CORVID-19 vaccine would 'cost' any more. 

BTW, the House had a hearing yesterday and were told that the R&D has already been done on a SARS vaccine, that can be readily adapted for trials on CORVID-19. For a month, the researcher has been BEGGING the CDC, HHS or a PARMA company to fast track funding for it. No takers. 

 
 
 
Dulay
8.1.31  Dulay  replied to  Tacos! @8.1.27    one month ago

Then IMHO they were idiots. If you work in close groups, it just means the whole crew gets sick and the whole project gets shut down. One guy coughing in a truck and all 5 of us are down for the count. Oh and having sick sales people turns off clients. 

 
 
 
Dulay
8.1.32  Dulay  replied to  Tacos! @8.1.29    one month ago

I have never been a throw away employee so I have never worked for a prick like that.

 
 
 
Tacos!
9  Tacos!    one month ago

So, it's unusual, but unless it becomes a regular thing, there seems little point in making a big deal out of it. It doesn't sound like there was anything there that absolutely needed to be recorded.

 
 
 
Tessylo
9.1  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Tacos! @9    one month ago
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Tacos!
9.1.1  Tacos!  replied to  Tessylo @9.1    one month ago

Stop hitting yourself.

 
 
 
Tessylo
9.1.2  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Tacos! @9.1.1    one month ago

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Tacos!
9.1.3  Tacos!  replied to  Tessylo @9.1.2    one month ago

I'd make more money if I were.

 
 
 
r.t..b...
9.2  r.t..b...  replied to  Tacos! @9    one month ago
unless it becomes a regular thing, there seems little point in making a big deal out of it.

It just seems another step in an attempt to control the narrative...never a good thing if we are to expect at least a modicum of transparency from an administration. In this case, it could be outright dangerous.

No reasonable person is blaming anyone for the spread of this disease. If they are not willing, however, to be totally forthcoming, including almost daily and most certainly open briefings, the questions will become more about the obfuscation and less about combating the threat...to absolutely no one's benefit. 

 
 
 
Tacos!
9.2.1  Tacos!  replied to  r.t..b... @9.2    one month ago
It just seems another step in an attempt to control the narrative

They already have a lot of control over that. If they really wanted to keep people in the dark, they didn't have to hold the briefing at all. I see no comments from anyone there that it would have been so much better if only they could have had video. Absent that kind of thing, why be bothered?

I can't imagine what the reason was (ok I can imagine. Maybe some high muckity muck had a salad dressing stain on his shirt), but there is no indication that the narrative or anything else was hurt by it.

 
 
 
Tessylo
9.2.2  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Tacos! @9.2.1    one month ago

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Tacos!
9.2.3  Tacos!  replied to  Tessylo @9.2.2    one month ago

See? That's what happens.

 
 
 
r.t..b...
9.2.4  r.t..b...  replied to  Tacos! @9.2.1    one month ago
why be bothered?

When the President actually says he has a "hunch", we should all be bothered. This is neither the time nor the place for hunches. On its' face, his latest insertion into things over which he has no control is just silly.

The long term ramifications of his inability to properly address the situation is yet to be determined, but does anyone actually believe he is up to the task? 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
10  JohnRussell    one month ago

If there is no video, Trump and his lackeys can deny that xyz was said.  With video, there is less room for denial (although they still try). 

 
 
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